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His Attitude Was Just Spot On – Pardew

2:33 pm, Sunday, October 6th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 118 Comments

Alan Pardew has today talked about the maturity of Hatem Ben Arfa, who came on late in the game, and Alan Pardew has praised the players’ attitude,  after being surprisingly dropped from the side yesterday.

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Ben Arfa – attitude was spot on

Alan is showing what a good man manager he can be, and it seems the spirit in the Newcastle camp is high, and it augers well for the future, because if we can get a couple of good wins, we can quickly climb the league table.

The Newcastle manager has praised the maturity of the mercurial one today:

“Hatem is a great player for us. His application and acceptance of the decision was spot on,  and he is growing as a person.”

“I don’t think some of the things that are said about him are actually true. He’s actually been very good this week.”

“He trained very well and got his rewards today because he walked off  at the end as part of a winning team.”

“I also said to Yohan that his performance in the first-half was as good as I’ve seen in a black-and-white shirt. He was truly at the top of his game.”

“He then worked hard for the team. He’s not 100% yet, which is a nice thought for us.”

Yohan was great yesterday, and he’s keeping his promise of repaying the Newcastle fans by what he does on the field, after the  mistake he made at the beginning of the season.


Yohan Cabaye – paying Newcastle fans back

But more committed performances like Yohan gave yesterday will ensure the Newcastle fans quickly forget about what happened in August – and in reality – it’s already behind us.

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118 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Graeme // Oct 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    He was so unlucky not to score from that free kick that hit the post; he hit it so sweetly, nobody had a clue what he intended.

  • 2 archaeomag // Oct 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    This is what the Independent said;
    “He has decided he can no longer ignore the indolence of the extravagantly talented Hatem Ben Arfa, who has made precisely two tackles in seven Premier League appearances this season”
    2 tackles in 7 games – explains why he got benched.

  • 3 Fostino // Oct 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    next match at liverpool will be fascinating. the pool are beatable and a win could set us up for a great season.

    who the back four that day will be key. goofy or ben afra??

  • 4 the bloody geordie // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    we are going to need a well damed positive attitude not just from him but from everyone else especially in our next five games….

  • 5 archaeomag // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Goofy works so hard off the ball, he marked Baines out of the game first half against Villa.

  • 6 archaeomag // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    ** DURR Everton

  • 7 Fostino // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    could goofy be the next jonas..except he actually scores a few goals

  • 8 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    HBA I think has to remain on the bench in the next game.

    teams such as Fulham hull and west ham might sit back defending until a goal is scored but when Liverpool are the team coming to st james park we expect them to threaten our goal from the moment the ball gets kicked.

    so when a team we know is a threat from the moment the whistle gets blown the last thing we want is a player who has so far did very little work defensively because it will make space get more open for the opposition in the centre of the pitch.

    santon might be getting a lot of blame but it was mainly debuchy’s side that was our weakest area defensive and that was the same area HBA was on both santon and debuchy are poor defensive but atleast santon has help from remy. debuchy but was always needing CM to cover which then opened up the middle of the pitch.

    the fact that this is a team that is doing excellent ATM also means that really a start for dummett would be the worse of games so all we left with is santon and debuchy hadaira maybe.

    anita might have been dropped despite being on decent form but tiote showing good form yesterday is just what we want because now we have 3 CM for only 2 positions sissoko tiote and anita (cabaye is also a CM but of a different sort) so they will now want to show better performances knowing they could dropped.

    as for our CB partnership willo doesn’t have the skills and trickery of mbiwa but that is not the most important part of a defence, the most important part of defences commands organisation balance and team play the things willo brought into our back line.

  • 9 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    as for our CB partnership willo doesn’t have the skills and trickery of mbiwa but that is not the most important part of a defence, the most important part of defences commands are organisation, balance and team play the things willo brought into our back line.

  • 10 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Said it a while back, Ben Arfa is our most talented player but the team is stronger without him! That 2 tackles in 7 games stat is shocking for a player whos been playing right midfield in half our games and Right wing in the others! Its what seperates him from players like Suarez, Bale, Ronaldo etc
    his goals and assists ratio over his newcastle career and even his whole career aren’t imposing enough to carry him when we don’t have the ball! Especially when we already carry cisse! Its not enough that he goes past 2 or 3 players a time on the halfway line snd scores 2 or 3 screamers a season! Top players offer more than that

  • 11 yo-yo // Oct 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM


    what did you think of Sakho for the fools yesterday ?

  • 12 gazzaforever // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    He s a a winger or a cam, he doesnt have to tackle, that’s insane. And Toonking, pls, stop, or you will be ridiculous once again when benny will shine again. Do you guys remember that he saved us a few times , he had two shet games, get a grip. Especially the wnkers that say we are better without him.

  • 13 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    If all fit I think Pardew will start the team that started at Cardiff as sadly HBA does not give the defence any cover for Liverpool’s counter attacks.

    Maybe he will go with two up front dropping Cisse for Anita or his favourite Guiterrez.

    For all the suppose to be troubles this season I have enjoyed watching the TOON – they have tried to play football this season and not Hoofball.

    Seam to be greating a lot more chances -like to see how many attempts they have had on target since the first two games this season.

    When the TOON have been good this season they have been good to watch .

    But when they have been bad they have been awful.

    Which TOON will turn up!!

  • 14 FrankfurtMag // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    So the reason to drop a playmaker is lack of tackles. Sounds fair if you want 11 players behind the ball.

    Wonder what his excuse for dropping Anita was. It can’t have been tackles, ball retention, distribution, work rate or form……….

    I really don’t like him. Dropping Anita was the ultimate punch in the face. Anita should go to develop his football under a real football manager.

  • 15 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Good results for us so far today, Swansea beat off Southampton means they’re 3 points behind us with the same GD, and Norwich are in the same situation with a worse GD.
    Spurs and Arsenal wins would be the icing on the cake for this weekend with our run of fixtures, means we can keep at it with Villa, Hull etc. who both have Tottenham & Everton to play in their next 2.

  • 16 Fostino // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM


    your argument on anita is a dated need to rotate the team to keep it fresh. changes were needed after everton…and their was a good reaction yesterday. anita was very quite against sure you’ll agree, cabaye offers more and tiote recently is showing signs of his old self. I don’t think anita has done enough to be a certain starting 11…in my opinion only remy, colo (just about), cabaye have played well enough to be guaranteed a place which is worrying

  • 17 lochinvar // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    All top teams need that “spine” of quality that sets them apart – we have Krul – Colo – Caba-Remy. As they take more control of games the confidence and energy of the rest of the team increase and the collective result is a winning team mentality that imposes results on the opposition. HBA could be pent up to come on as game changer against the better teams without risking his lack of his defensive energy in the physically more intense earlier parts of matches. When games open up bring him on ( crowd lifts as well ) and max the hell out of the attacking threat that he brings. Sounds like a plan.

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    jayphoto…that is a very simplistic way of looking at it; it is not like we are great without Benny!

    …maybe we should look at that first and find a reason for that. The problems we have at Newcastle are far bigger than lack of signings or whether or not we are afford to carry Benny.

    Now I don’t think we are carrying him; I think it’s the other way around. But Benny reminds me of Laudrup at times – he was a worldclass player, maybe the best, but only when he was surrounded by equal great players.

    That is never going to happen to Benny at Newcastle!

  • 19 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Since liverpool play 3-5-2, i’d love it if we lined up the next game with:

    Williamson Tiote Coloccini
    Debuchy Sissoko Cabaye Santon
    Ben Arfa Remy Gouffran

    Bench: Elliot, Yanga-Mbiwa, Dummett, Anita, Jonas, Marveaux, Cisse.

    That team is without Haidara, S.Taylor, R.Taylor, Bigi, Vuckic, Obertan, Sammy, Shola & Campbell

  • 20 FrankfurtMag // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM


    I totally disagree. Pardew called for consistency and ball retention. Both of which Anita has provided in abundance. He did nothing wrong against Everton but the whole team was poor in that game.

    If Pardew cried he needed more steel and creativity I would agree Tiote and Cabaye would be the best bet. He is whining that we dont retain the ball and we arent consistent which Anita gives both.

    Baffling and I still don’t like him or his confusing interviews.

  • 21 juanpeterbeardsley // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    We didnt miss Anita yesterday at all so I cant see why people are moaning .Only players out out of form are Cisse and Krul would be a worry if Remy gets injured.

  • 22 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM


    ben arfa should take cisse’s place next game, the only other possible change he could make is which two play out of tiote, sissoko and anita. good dilemma for once

  • 23 scout // Oct 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    We should be giving any premiership team a game.

  • 24 askar // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    IMO I do not know what these Pardew and Arfa relations are, but I am bound to say that there is an unacceptable moral arrogance behind benching our best player after two bad games which is unworthy of a PL coach.

    7 games, 10 points = Arfa 6 points + Remy 3 points + 1 team point

    Thank you so much dear Arfa, NUFC Fan love you :-)

    IMO He should never be dropped from the side even after one or two bad games. Play him, he is our playmaker and tackles are not part of his job. Give him free role and ask him to make magic things :-)

    Next game:
    Win, 3-2 :-)

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    I don’t want to sound harsh but Ben arfa is a luxury.

    Sure he gets the odd goal totally by himself but the amount of times he attempts to do that and gets nowhere/loses the ball also hinders the team.

    If you look at the top teams like Bayern, barca, Madrid, they all have players in Ben arfa’s positions who offer more goals and assists but also work damn hard to assist the defence.

    I have said it before, I have not seen a player skip past people with the same style as Ben arfa since zidane, he’s brilliant for it. However he needs to learn when to beat a man, when to pass, when to cross, when to shoot, etc as currently he doesn’t make the right decisions. His goal and assist tally throughout his whole career backs this up.

  • 26 mattnufc // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    I don’t believe Anita or Sissoko have brought much to team performances so far, neither defensively or attacking wise. Would like to see Marveaux being given a chance in one of the 3 CM’s positions as he can provide a forward pass unlike the two formers.

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:09 PM


    Nobody has free roles these days.

    Even messi and ronaldo have to work hard where there teams don’t have the ball to get it back. Teams are too good these days to allow a player not to offer anything defensively.

    I don’t want HBA to be like jonas and spend 80% of the game in our half, but he has to work harder to get the ball back and help out the team.

    He may get goals but think could he cost is them too with his sloppy play at times and his attitude to defensive duties.

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:12 PM


    I have nothing against Anita at all and happy to see him play but agree with you on him.

    He is praised for keeping the ball and making simple passes. That’s something our whole 11 of international players should be able to do, it should not be the exception it should be the rule.

    Cabaye does that but also offers more final/killer passes as wells as a fee goals. Anita is good but needs to add more to his game.

  • 29 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Roy (from the last article)

    I don’t get that post. You said,

    Coloccini is totally overrated but if he hadn’t got injured we’d have been relegated?

    Surely the second part of that sentence contradicts the first. Or have I read it wrong?

  • 30 nut meg // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Sage @25
    I fully agree with what you say.He has a great talent but no football brain,he doesn’t know how to play the game properly & you have given the reasons why in your last paragraph.IMHO only

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    TS…I usually don’t say this by that post of yours about Benny is a load of tosh!!!

    …sorry mate!

  • 32 mattnufc // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    @TS Agreed. 90% of Anita’s passes must be sideways or clipped into the channels. For me, he needs to attempt more forward passes or tackles to be a part of the starting eleven. I believe a lot of people are enticed by the unknown, e.g. Anita, Marveaux, Campbell playing more, Santon on the wing, different formations etc.

  • 33 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    @jesper – i disagree mate! In france HBa played for 2 of the top teams, surrounded by other great players in sides that dominated games! Even then he was crazily inconsistent and found himself in and out of the team! Hes a really talented player but his goals, assists and chance creation do not warrant building a team around him and to suit him! For me he is great from the bench around the hour mark to throw on and offer a unique threat! He should be developed as a free role number 10 really but he seems to disappear when tried there!

  • 34 Fostino // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    someone mentioned ben afra replacing cisse as striker..this could be an interesting option.

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    jayphoto…each your own a guess 😉

    …but I am glad you are not picking the side lol

  • 36 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:26 PM


    Doesn’t matter, I just read it again and I know what you meant.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:26 PM


    Can I ask why?

    I only say this because look at his record in title winning teams in France. Never really had even one big season for goals or assists when compared to say some like hazard who got 20+ goals on one year for Lille.

    Talent wise HBA is streets ahead of hazard for me but hazard has the consistency and can be much more ruthless.

    Benny has never found himself settled in one positions and one club, he’s always changing around for some reason, I rate him very very highly as natural talent but just don’t think he can apply it often enough, but when he does he is bloody exciting.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM


    Pardew tried that once, the away game to Anzhi.

    Was Ben arfa’s first game back after months out, in freezing temps on a plastic pitch so unfair to judge, he could be good there. Holds the ball up well to bring others into play.

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    TS…he has been a spoiled brat no doubt and the verge of every manager he has had!

    At Lyon and OM he never really played in his best position and was not a regular (maybe because of age or temper or maybe because both Lyon and OM at that time where huge compared to Lille?), but it seemed it was enough to get calls up for France.

    I wouldn’t build or team around Benny either, mainly because our tactics are shite and we are not using Benny in a way that can create havoc for the opposition.

    We are more concerned about whether or not a player gives something back in return defensively! I think if ever a club misunderstood how to set up a modern offensive tactic it’s Newcastle.

    Next time you watch Bayer, Barca or Madrid take a good look at Ribery, Messi and Ronaldo and watch how much or less the add defensively 😉

    Benny’s problem is that it’s so easy marking a player who basically only have one option and that is to take on a player. Every player should have ad least two options – you don’t have that at Newcastle. Other players are watching in ave when Benny has the ball in stead of moving!

  • 40 WWSBRD // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    So after one win Pardew is back on form HBA isn’t needed in teams and Willo is no longer league 1 quality :) I do love mags haha

    For me Pardew was brave to drop Benny and Mbiwa and full credit to him for it because both have been poor of late imo Benny needs to know he’s not undroppable and his work rate must improve (Debuchy has looked crap since joining us because in defence he’s alone and when Benny doesn’t work spaces he has no one to pass too) and Mbiwa well he was a shambles against Everton whereas Willo was faultless

    Mbiwa will win his place back for Liverpool because we need intelligence and pass rather than size and strength…Benny though I can see missing out with Gouffran preferred

    Still didn’t keep a clean sheet though and it was just Cardiff we played so am not jumping up and down for joy just yet but hey 3 points closer to safety

  • 41 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    We are deploying shite tactics and we don’t have good enough players around Benny and those players in our team who should be adding something defensively (Tiote) and offensively (Cabaye and Sissoko) have not been doing their job!

    Our wide players have had trouble figuring out whether they are wings with heavy defensive duties or L- RAM with mainly offensive duties.

    It seems the rest of the teams have had trouble figuring that out as well (that goes for the fullbacks as well)

  • 42 tequilamag // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Mourinho is reluctant to play Mata at Chelsea because he is unhappy with Matas workrate. There is less and less room for players who rely on flair and are passengers for most of the game. The simple response for HBA to garuntee his spot is to work a bit harder then everyone wins.

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    We are a team with an identity crisis!

    Not even us fans can agree on how to play a 4-3-3 and who is not doing their job 😉

  • 44 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    I don’t understand why some are still whining about Tiote starting over Anita. Tiote did very well, and it’s not as if we needed Anita’s passing ability vs Cardiff.

    But these are the people who would have complained if we won 3-0 I suppose.

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    tequila…and the fans demand Mourinho plays Mata and when he does he changes a game! (they are really carrying him aren’t they?)

    …What a luxury Mata is!

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:50 PM


    Well just have to disagree haha.

    I think Gary Neville pointed out during our Everton game how much Ribery and robin offer defensively too. I don’t care about Benny always tracking back to our box but be good if he even just pressured more around the half way line.

  • 47 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    @ tequilamag

    Mata hasn’t had a problem with his work rate for most of his career . Didn’t he have the most chances created in the PL last year ?

    Mourinho’s ego is the problem .

  • 48 tequilamag // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    From the otside it looks odd to me as well. Mata was the standout player for me last season. Having said that Mourinho knows a thing or two about winning football games.

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:52 PM


    Mata is much better than HBA and shows that with many more goals and assists

    Granted we play crap and don’t use Ben arfa properly but there’s no point in pardew playing him if he can’t use him in his sustem

  • 50 tequilamag // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    BPC Mourinho has a huge ego but he has the medals to back his ego up. If anyone thinks they know better than him please feel free to tell me what you have achieved in the professional game.

  • 51 martoon // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Harley – Roy is a mackem WUM so I wouldn’t pay much attention to his comments.
    I’m gobsmacked that after yesterday’s first half performance and result some of you can still claim Pardew picked the wrong team and Anita & HBA should have played. I thought Pardew got his team & tactics spot on – even the substitutions were OK. Although I must admit taking Remy off was a little strange unless he had an injury which I am not sure if he did or not.

  • 52 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    TS… I always wonder how players such as Ribery, Mata, Ronnaldo or Messi would do at Newcastle!

    …how many goals would thay score or create? I know that we will never get that answer, but I would think not alot 😉

    They question is does that mean something is wrong with the player?

  • 53 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Very interesting to see Swansea struggle in the league now as we did last season. I may have to eat my words about how much of an effect Europa League has on a team’s play. Still let’s see how Swansea make out in the next month or so. I’m convinced they’ll finish above us but the league is wildly unpredictable this season.

  • 54 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    No I wouldn’t say so jesper mate @52. Messi would still create. He makes goals out of nothing often enough to convince me of that. Ronaldo has his free kicks, pace and control and would score with us. No it’s not the players it’s the lack of a proper system and manager with us.

  • 55 Papiss9 // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    I’m not a fan of pardew, but he got the team spot on yesterday, great first half display against a cardiff team whos been good at home beating city, holding everton and just lost to spurs.

    ofcourse they stepped up their game in second half. all in all fully deserved 3 points. to away wins so far.

    let’s see what the next 4 games bring. We can have a good season if we find some consistancy. a lot of teams lack that so far. We have the players to be top 8, top 10 is minimum, If we dont manage that Pardew has failed massively

  • 56 kt97toonarmy // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Alot of people moan about krul being out of form. But the bloke dislocated his shoulder. Im a goal keeper my self nd i broke me wrist earlier this year. Nd trust me when u get back playing. Theres a mental block u think the injury will occur again if you dive a certain way. In my opinion its the reason villa scored. But krul will b back to his best. Nd i no u lot arnt arsed bout my injury just a point of view some of u shud consider.

  • 57 Toon Tang // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    3 points off relegation, 3 points off top 5. tighter than a nuns front bum

  • 58 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    @ tequilamag

    Nothing m8, probably the same as 99 %of the people on this blog .

    It doesn’t take a genius to work out Mata should be starting and is probably Chelsea’s best player . My main question is why was he dropped in the first place ? . Fair enough if he wasn’t performing but Mata has been the polar opposite .

  • 59 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Chelsea v Man City in week 9 and Arsenal v Liverpool in week 10 of the season. Those should be interesting games. Man U has Southampton next at home. Can they even win that one?

  • 60 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Papiss9 @55 what do you think we’ll get from those 4 games? I’m thinking 4 points maximum. That would give us 14 points from 11 games. Sounds about right for us mate.

  • 61 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    horrible string of games coming up. I think 4 points would be a blessing in our current form.

    I’m expecting this blog to be as cheery as ever over the next month.

  • 62 Papiss9 // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM


    Hard to tell. Liverpool have maybe been the most impressive out of them. Sturridge suarez is dangerous, but if our offensive players have good games we’ll score,

    I think we will draw against liverpool, beat sunderland, draw chelsea and lose at spurs. Was not impressed with chelsea against norwich, who could have won the game with a little bit more luck. we are capable of beating chelsea at home

  • 63 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    arsenal 1-3 villa
    Cardiff 3-2 city
    everton 1-0 Chelsea
    Liverpool 0-1 Southampton
    Newcastle 2-3 hull
    villa 3-2 city
    Fulham 1-2 Cardiff
    united 1-2 west brom
    Southampton 2-0 Swansea
    spurs 0-3 west ham
    west brom 1-1 arsenal

    when their is as many surprised result happening already in the league their is clearly never going to be an easy fixture this year. their is only reall 2 teams at the minute who I see struggling, palace and sunderland.

  • 64 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:42 PM


    Cheers, I thought it was an odd statement.

    Glad to see you’re one of the sensibles on here saying as you see it. I’m gob smacked at the criticism after yesterday’s great result. There’s just no pleasing some people.

    Monday was dire, yesterday was great.

  • 65 A monkey is better then Pardew // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    What really irritated me was Pardew’s substitutions yesterday. More on who he decided to bring on, then who he took off.

    1. Jonas coming on for Remy (who didn’t seem 100% as he walked off, maybe a knock or fatigue?) Bringing on Jonas, signals to us fans that he wants to defend the lead as oppose to push on for another goal. Lets wipe the stardust from our eyes and be real for a minute here. Jonas’s contributions attack wise are championship level at best. He offers more defensively, despite playing in a more attack suited position (LW)

    2. Ben arfa comes on with 4 minutes left. Once again, lets brush the stardust away and be real. He is not gonna pull a rabbit out his arse in a mere 4 minutes, regardless how tired the opposing team is. Likewise, he offers just as much in the defense department that Jonas does when attempting to impose some form of attacking threat.

    Essentially, he weakens our ‘defense’ with four minutes left, when we should really be defending more… and weakens our attack when there is still 20 or so minutes left in the game where we have to knuckle down and pray a shot doesn’t deflect into the net.

    Surely it should be the other way round no? Ben arfa coming on with time left for him to actually conjure some magic, and Jonas coming on to defend in the dieing minutes of the game. Or if he wants to be a defense minded tw@t, strengthen our defence more as oppose to weakening it in the last 4 minutes.

  • 66 martoon // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Harley @64 – Yes there is no pleasing some people. I like to think I’m realistic. I’m delighted by yesterday’s win and I know Pardew has his faults and shortcomings but he is not as bad as some on here make out and under the current owner we are never going to employ a world class manager that many on here crave for. Some will say I am settling for mediocrity but I like to think I am a realist.
    Also have you noticed there is no sign of Beattie, Catchy etc. after we win :)

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Martoon…I would say settling for what we got out of fear of what we might get is not a healthy approach!

    …especially not when what we have got is not working. If you are willing to take a chance then you might as well just give up!

    For me that is a sad way of living! . You might call it being realistic I call it being scared!

  • 68 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:57 PM


  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    So much is being made of Benny’s defensive work. First, I’d question the two tackle stat. Second, I’d remark that he works hard in closing down even if he’s not the best tackler; Pards is making him out to be a Matt Le Tissier, a talented stroller. It’s a myth that he perpetuates because, devoid of reasons for poor team performances and with no idea as to where he fits in his negative game plan, Pards looks for a scapegoat to deflect from his own inadequacies.

  • 70 martoon // Oct 6, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    A monkey is better then Pardew – the way I saw it was when he brought on Jonas for Remy we went to 4 4 2 in an attempt to stiffen up the midfield but still leave a fret (as Pardew would say) up front with Cisse & Goofy. Jonas nearly scored from a corner so he wasn’t that defensive and we should have a had a penalty at the end. The HBA substitution is the nornal bring on fresh legs towards the end and waste a bit of time – all teams do that.

  • 71 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:01 PM


    Trust me I considered all those upsets, but I just don’t feel we have the fight (sadly) of teams like Villa, Cardiff, and certainly WHU. We simply outplayed Cardiff but if things go sour early vs. Pool, Chelsea and the like, I expect it to be 0 points.

    If memory serves, we have a poor record when going down before the break. And I’m not talking 3 or more goals, but as little as 1 goal. With our defense that’s a strong possibility.

  • 72 martoon // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Jesper where did I say out of fear for what we might get. I meant we are never going to pay wages of a world class manager or player and what we’ve got is pretty good and Pardew is not as bad as some make out.

  • 73 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    @A monkey is better then Pardew

    Hatem wasn’t brought on to produce really, but to use his trickery and fresh legs to hold the ball and close out the game. So with that strategy considered, Jonas and Hatem in were actually good minded subs, though I realize not all of us enjoy the defensive approach to end games.

    But if he STARTS Jonas from now on, so help me God………

  • 74 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Also forgot to add Pardew is obviously trying to man-manage Hatem again. We are all aware Hatem dropped off after that great start, and probably needed another kick up the backside to keep him motivated after 2 very mediocre games.

  • 75 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:18 PM


    I agree we do sometimes lack fight but a lot of that is because we have got a team filled with players bought.

    the best thing for fighting power is having players like barton Nolan and carroll all of who got sold.

    when we look at the way teams who got promoted have been in the league it shows buying players is not the only thing a team needs. the year before we got relegated the team was filled with a massive number of mercenaries who just didn’t care much. then once we got rid of them the team looked so passionate.

    it doesn’t mean that teams need weaker but passionate players if they ever are to succeed because team can spend money but the way that happens is them teams spend money on massive amounts of players enough to make a second team almst as strong as their first team.

  • 76 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Unfortunately catchy was on earlier with some negative, blinkered comment.

    I think the majority on here share the same views but there’s about 25% will only ever bang on about the same thing. Over and over and over again.

    Reading this blog today has really done me in!!

  • 77 rasul // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:19 PM




  • 78 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    also the players that are bought are quality not the greedy type.

  • 79 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Are swansea struggling???????????

    7 games 7 points?

    they have played


  • 80 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:21 PM


    Ya Barton n Nolan definitely knew how to take on a match. Part of it is the negative cloud hovering over the club too. Concede an early goal and we get all defeatist, and some of our fans certainly dont help!

    And @Harley, don’t let it get to you man :)

  • 81 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    And as I post and refresh there is another one.


    We won!! Pardew got it right yesterday.

    Yes many times previous he hasn’t got it right and we’ve been awful. But yesterday was great and the tactics, substitutions, line up, spirit etc were all spot on.

    He didn’t get his substitutions wrong as we won!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 82 rasul // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:26 PM


  • 83 AndyNUFC // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Can anyone clarify that benny stat – 2 tackles made.. or 2 tackles attempted? In all honesty if he didnt make a tackle all season but scored 1 and assisted 1 every game I would keep him in.

    Talking about Cisse though – his inconsistency, inability to do simple passes or make effective decisions, lack of any physical presence – I would have Ben Arfa asleep on the bench rather than Cisse on adrenaline upfront.

  • 84 lesh // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    If anyone remembers one Jinky Jimmy Smith, a Joe Harvy from Aberdeen (£100k I think) and like Ben Arfa, was adored by the fans.

    In their eyes, he could do no wrong and fans could see nothing other than sunshine glowing from his backside.

    Joe Harvey used to pull his hair out in frustration at Jinky as he was so so inconsistent and a lazy git too!

    I’m sure Harvey’d empathise with Pardew over Ben Arfa and’d probably want to put a boot up his arse as he wanted to Jinky (and probably did too).

    Yes, we’ve seen more than our share of characters at SJP.

  • 85 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Whilst im fully in favour of HBA not being an automatic choice, im really hoping Yanga -Mbiwa isn ‘t finished for us under Pardew! He definately needed removing from the firing line for a bit but its way too soon to write him off, seen enough of him in france to
    Know he has the attributes to be a top player!

  • 86 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    At the beginning of the season I said give Pardew 10 games to see where we would be.
    And given Pardew his dues it looks like he has changed the style of play after the first two games keeping the ball on the deck and trying to attack more and quicker.
    I have enjoyed this season’s football much more than last season and even the season before. goals, unpredictable results, frustrating, happy, loads more shots on target the play of Remy and Goufron up font.

    Hard month coming up but if the season keeps going like this no problem with Pardew

  • 87 toonking // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Harley martoon

    people keep asking ed for either a thing like sky have which shows the number of people who agree and disagree or just a simple ignore button. but for now we just have to put up with it and really I just scroll further down because it’s easy to tell which are the worst as they are never happy.

    the big advangage that the negs have is they can just use a bad result against any team as an excuse to prove they are right but us realists and positive bloggers will have to wait for a trophy or European football before we are really on top.

    so don’t worry your not the only ones who get fed up with them stupid neggers.

  • 88 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Funny how Pardew claims Ben Arfa is a special talent, a maverick and unplayable when he scores a screamer or has a blinder of a game, yet when we lose he is quick to point the finger or drop him .

    Funny old thing eh .

  • 89 askar // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Transfer Sage:
    Nobody has free roles these days? Even messi and ronaldo have to work hard? Are you sur about that? :-) :-)

    Ibra, R7, Balotelli or Messi have free roles and never offer anything defensively, believe me :-)

    And when I heard this thing on Arfa must be good defensively, I plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down confounded :-)

    IMO Arfa is an exceptional player and will be the greatest player of his generation. Just play him and give him free role. He should never be dropped even after 1000 bad games :-)

  • 90 jimmysmith // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    Great to have Tiote back and playing well. He is an imposing player on his game at this level and part of what can be a very dominant midfield trio alongside Sissoko and Cabaye and is capable of bringing a bite and impetus to the side that the neater and tidier, but far less forceful Anita can’t.

    I also agree with the benching of Ben Arfa, who can have no complaints after the performances he gave against Hull and Everton and hopefully recognizes he really does need to contribute more off the ball and improve his distribution if he wants to play a significant role in the side going forward or end up like Marv.

    Mbiwa likewise clearly needs to step up, as Willo is no long term prospect, witness their goal, although I think Taylor and Mbiwa is a partnership that might work in time, once Collo moves on. Not so sure about Collo and Mbiwa though. I would be surprised to see them partnered together often again as things stand. Taylor and Collo for mine.

  • 91 Rooster // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Ben Arfa, two tackles made in seven premiership games is really out of order, I love the kid and he has provided some of my fav ever toon moments but all the great players work their socks off weather they are on the ball or not, Messi Ronaldo Gerrard Rooney etc give 100 per cent, this is were Benny lets himself down big time, in todays game you have to be on the go all the time, Benny IS AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT HIS WORK ETHIC HAS TO CHANGE, or he wont be the great player he could be as long as he has a h.le in his backside.

  • 92 Ciaran // Oct 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Delighted with the win yesterday, eases the tension that could arise if we have a difficult period of results in the upcoming tough matches. Happy with Remy’s goal scoring exploits, disappointed with the 1 half situation that is plaguing us but we won so I’m not going to crucify him for that one.

    Key point is that those of us who are negative about the situation engulfing the club will not be appeased by one decent away result. I for one can appreciate a good performance and result, and respect the manager for that, but it does not make me think he is a good manager or that we should be positive about things again.

  • 93 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    juve 1 milan 1 15′

  • 94 jimmysmith // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Vernon Anita, a neater and tidier player (than Tiote), nominative determinism ?

  • 95 askar // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Agree with you :-)

    I said before the game against Cardiff that we need Tiote and Willo and my prediction was a 2-1 win. Do you remember our conversation about that? :-)

  • 96 jimmysmith // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    This side is clearly capable, and Pardew steered us to fifth in the league and the quarters of the Europa league the following season, so I believe he is too. I’m sure we can do well, although equally sure, we could easily not as the side hasn’t yet gelled, it’s not the finished article and the suspicion is we are still one or two players short of achieving that, regardless some players surely need to find some consistent form as does the manager if they hope to stay long term at the club.

  • 97 Harley // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    Nice one toonking:))

  • 98 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Rasul, you’ve got brass neck to criticise fans cos you cant hear them on your tv. What are your fan credentials? You sound like a MUPPET.

    How does bringing up the Liverpool defeat help your case that fans should back Pardew?

  • 99 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Totally forgot Andre Ayew is Abedi Pele’s son.

  • 100 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Big pappa, the one thing about Pardew is he’s never short of an excuse or a scapegoat.

  • 101 89Norcal // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Get off Pardew’s back everyone. Did you ever stop and consider that maybe the lads was tired vs Everton and Hull? :)

  • 102 Rotonda heights // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:40 PM


    Yes Europe is killing is. Oh wait….

  • 103 Krul To Be Kind // Oct 6, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    we win when we turn up and we lose when we don’t simples!

    Let’s just have the turn team turn up most weeks and we will we do alright IMO.

    We are 6 points of top, 4 points off top 4, level with Utd, Sunderland are bottom, we have won 2 away games so far and have a striker who is 2nd in the charts with 5 goals in 3 full games. This season is shaping up fairly well.
    We don’t expect much change from L’pool, Chelski and Spuds in the coming weeks if we are being honest, so lets just see what happens without predicting a catastrophe after a very good win this weekend. I can’t see many teams getting 3 points at Cardiff this season, Mackay has them well drilled but we played good football yesterday and deserved the 3 points. We MUST buy Remy, he has settled nicely, Cabaye has got a kick in the a*se by getting dropped for France, he is the game changer not HBA and if we can get him up to scratch in the coming weeks I think we will genuinely pose our upcoming opponents a huge threat!


  • 104 USAGEORDIE // Oct 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    I’ve been hearing that Wilfried Zaha is available on loan come January. Newcastle is supposedly interested. Could he add a spark similar to Lukakus at Everton? He would be great with Remy.

  • 105 Ciaran // Oct 6, 2013 at 9:13 PM


    I cannot say that I recall you claiming we needed Willo and Tiote, because that is simply not true. We didn’t win the game as a result of those two players, rather it was the goalscoring exploits of Loic Remy that won us the game.

    I will never rate Willo, and it will take a lot to get me back in the pro-Tiote camp.

  • 106 Tinman // Oct 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM


    I’m about 95% sure that you were arguing with me when I said we should drop Ben Arfa. Some U turn that mate.

  • 107 Tinman // Oct 6, 2013 at 9:45 PM


    I have heard that too and at this stage it is just rumours. I can’t see us using him as more than an impact sub so doubt he would come. And to be honest I don’t really want him, overrated ball hog.

  • 108 Graeme // Oct 6, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Ciaran, Willo does an ok job for us; he’s not the most talented player we have, but he gives 100% of his ability every time he plays – there is not a lot more you can ask of him!!

    That we need a greatly improved CB is without question – we have known this for 2 years but we still have not strengthened at the back. Collo is no longer the player he was; Saylor is still the player he was 4 years ago, he just hasnt made the level we thought he might.

    Our D of FA decided, in his wisdom, to cancel the signing of Douglas, even though he is a far superior talent than we have at the moment; this was not a very good idea, as next year we will need 2 CB’s and replacing Collo and Williamson at the same time is far from ideal. That only leaves us with Saylor, who is made of glass and the highly able Mbiwa as recognised CB’s – a recipe for disaster me thinks!!

  • 109 toon kk // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Pardew isn’t a bad manager although he makes some strange decisions occasionally. Imo alot of our inconsistent play is down to the players not giving 100% in some games and in some cases we’re just simply out classed.

  • 110 yo-yo // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    toon kk

    I agree. Pardew is not a bad manager whatever the Pardew haters think. But nor is he a top ranking manager. He is probably a just a bit above average for the EPL which is where the club is at too, if we’re lucky. So 10th is where we’re at…. and though it is painful to admit it where we’re going to stay under the present unambitious business tick over oriented regime.

  • 111 Rooster // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    I just want to watch our beloved club get that desired consistency, the way we do business though ie at the best times to maybe buy players but the wrong time for the fans and to push our club forward is going to continue I feel to be a problem, it is one step forward one step back, its ccatch up all the time and you just cant keep doing this as the top six for sure will just pull away more imo, I feel we may bring 1 or 2 in the winter window, those have to hit the ground running as usual though, who knows were we will be in the league, were we are at the moment is just about right, not a disastarous start but still questions after every game, its such a strange scenario were we are concerned, we just don’t know, like I say as always good wins bad losses and good n bad draws, the mentality of our squad and manager at this moment from what I have seen, means just that, I will get behind the lads, cant be a.sed with the Hiarachy and the bullcrap though!!!!

  • 112 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    I still think M’biwa is a much better player than Willo and for me the problem he has is learning a new language and trying to comunicate with Collo who isn’t the most fluent with his English either .

    Willo was at fault for the goal on two fronts yesterday as he made a complete airshot of a clearence and then should have cleared the shot off the line.

    Lets face it, the only way Collocini & M’biwa are going to forge a solid partnership is if they get game time together.

  • 113 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    Ravel Morrison like a young Michael Owen ? , they don’t half talk some shite on MOTD like

  • 114 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 6, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    I know I am Pardews biggest critic but I am glad we got the win because Mbiwa and Arfa got dropped
    that took some balls like usually when something like that happens we get pumped by 5 or 6 goals !

    I like Santon as well but think maybe he could do with getting dropped for a while as well give Dummett a try just think some of our players had taken their starting place for granted got to remember a lot of them are still young and need rotated so they are not burnt out as well

  • 115 jimmysmith // Oct 6, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    I like Pardew. I think he’s calm and considered and learning and improving, although I don’t necessarily think he’ll bring success to Newcastle.

    The team I similarly like, some great players and at times looking a real top unit, although it lacks consistency and also depth in one or two key areas.

    Seems to me we have an owner that is holding us back and who as a priority needs to give more timely support to the manager and players, if we are to push on to a more formidable and consistent level of performance. An owner that surely needs to recognize not only the false economy of failing to buy at the right time on the basis of a player being perceived as slightly over the odds, as well the false economy of purely financially based decisions off the pitch that alienate his core users. Hopefully, he’s learning too and he seems to be taking a keener interest recently which perhaps augurs well.

    This is why I support the time4change movement, because it gives fans a greater voice and that will help encourage Ashley onto his toes and aware of his wider responsibilities, which seems clearly what is most needed.

  • 116 doonundertoon // Oct 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    “first half was as good as weve ever played”

    look back at every win we have had this season and pardew has said the exact same comment..

    the mans a fool

  • 117 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    Yeah thing about Pardew is he only seems to be able to have one plan we usually start games well and the other team then sorts it out in the 2nd half and we dont know how to rectify it

    Or we start terrible and it takes him till half time to remedy it when it is usually too late

    He needs to figure out how to control games for whole games or to turn it around when we are under the cosh

  • 118 toonking // Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    I might sometimes disagree with people but I will accept when I was wrong.
    I was not that happy with pardew and his team selected as I was despetate for dummett but when I saw the result I then praised pardew for proving me wrong.

    what has changed my belief with HBA is that after saying his aim is to win the balladot what does he do put in an awful performance against everton and hull and when we have such a aggressive FB i a winger needs to help defnd which i don’t see by HBA so you were right.

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