Both Subs Helped Get The Job Done On Saturday


Jonas Gutierrez made a return to the Newcastle side in the second half on Saturday, when after 71 minutes he came on for goals hero Loic Remy, and Jonas had a good game and helped Newcastle hold on to their 2-1 lead and get all 3 points, and his experience showed through in that final 20 minutes of the game.

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Jonas Gutierrez in action on Saturday – he played well

Jonas had been in good form in pre-season, but he was injured in that disastrous first game at the Etihad Stadium in August, against Manchester City,  and this was his first appearance coming back from that injury.

And one of the shocks in Alan Pardew’s selection on Saturday in south Wales, was that he left out Hatem Ben Arfa, but Hatem has come over as a mature young man,  and Alan Pardew has praised him big time because of his professional attitude at being benched.

And of course when he was in France playing for Lyon and Marseilles, he didn’t exactly take kindly to being dropped, but he seems to have become a man in the three years he has been on Tyneside – and that’s good.

Alan Pardew was asked about the competition for places which now exists in the squad, and whether that was good:

“It always is. It is important everybody is pulling together and trying to achieve the victory.” “Jonas Gutierrez came off the bench.”

“We had not seen him for a while, but he did a great little job for us.” “So did Hatem, which was even more important.”

It was good man-management by Pardew to bring on Hatem towards the end of the game, so the Frenchman could make an appearance and feel at least a part of what was another excellent win on the road for Newcastle,  and that’s our second of the season.

Now if  we can only learn how win at St. James’ Park, although the lads will get that chance in our next league game at home to Liverpool. 🙁

Howay the Lads!!

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178 comments so far

  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #1

    Yeah Jonas really looked impressive pre-season against the likes of Scottish third tier side like Rangers, and mediocre Portuguese opposition so obviously he would have taken the Premier League by storm but for his injury…

    Jonas is pants. No other word for it.

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  • TacoFlavoredKisses ForMyBen-arfa

    Oct 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #2

    jonas as a lat sub on games we are ahead and need to keep procession is ok. Lets just hope he doesnt start….

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #3

    Jonas is great. I bet he works his way into the team and stays there on merit. Honest, genuine hardworking pro when the chips are down and with that touch of class and flair that becomes more apparent when we are playing well. Top fella!

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  • yo-yo

    Oct 7, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #4

    Ruddy

    Jonas is still a grafter. He has lost his edge going forward and was brought on as a sub for his work rate in closing players down, keeping it tight, restricting them going forward – all of which he is actually quite good at. He still has a role to play as a sub DM for 10-15 minutes when other players are tiring and he can still make the useful occasional foray forward as he did on Saturday though I don’t class him as a winger or wide player any more.

    I don’t see him as a starter really, but if we are playing specifically to close certain sides down then he may well get the start but its going to be a ‘grind out a draw’ type of defensive game if he does imo, so I hope he adapts to his new role well, as we may well need some of those scrappy draws regardless of the need to play the beautiful game

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #5

    Unfortunately I fully expect Jonas to be starting again when he is fully fit and up to speed. I agree that to close a game out he would be a decent sub but I strongly doubt that this is Pardew’s plan for him.

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  • SeanNufc87

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #6

    Ruddy

    You fully expect pardew to drop remy for jonas? … really?

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #7

    I couldn’t disagree more. Played to instruction last season to allow Santon to get forward despite having plenty to offer himself as a creator. Will almost certainly play a significant part in a resurgent season if Pards can get the set up right. Is willing to do the much needed donkey even in the knowledge that some inattentive fans will doubtless turn against him, almost as if to remind us of the simple truism, “No good deed goes unpunished”. Splendid player!

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Comment #8

    OK, that last post might have been a load of rubbish, maybe, but he’s definitely a top bloke!

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  • belgrade fan

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #9

    Jonas as a sub only if we r 2 goals up and only in last 15-20 mins, nothing besides that. In this situation he could do nice job

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  • SeanNufc87

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #10

    Jimmysmith

    I think he adds a hell of a lot more defensively than tiote does, I think people are judging him purely on how often he gets forward. Id play him DM.

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  • mindshaft

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #11

    staying on the Remy issue we should get a few facts right

    There is a clause in his contract that he go for 8 million ( similar to the clause Ba had)
    QPR cannot change this clause
    We have an option to buy in Jan
    We are currently paying 100% of Remys wages
    Obviously Remy himself could scupper any deal by waiting until summer to see if a bigger club comes in for him

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  • mindshaft

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #12

    oh and we have a signed 1 year loan deal with no callback option from QPR so they can’t sell him to anyone else this season

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  • WWSBRD

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #13

    Great to have in the squad and a wonderful player on his day but the time of him starting games should be over unless injuries plague our other options currently Id have Remy Benny and Gouffran ahead of him with Sammy also in the mix

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  • martoon

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #14

    mindshaft @11 – Can I ask how you know all this? because JFK does not seem to know and he supposedly did the deal!

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  • SeanNufc87

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #15

    Mindshaft

    Your fighting a losing battle mate, people wont listen to you, iv tried countless times to explain the remy situation along with “why the f*** arent we spending the tv money! ?” Debate.

    Couple of posts down there will be a we should offer 15m of the tv money for remy now before a bigger club comes in for him.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #16

    I’m fed up with reading comments from so called fans slagging off our players who try damn hard for our team. Jonas may have lost a bit of pace and he may not get as many goals or assists as we’d like, but he’s got one hell of an engine on him. If only Ben Arfa could track back and work as hard as him then he’d be right up there with Ronaldo!

    Jonas is a decent squad player that every team needs. I’d take him over Shelvey, Guthrie and many other players that some fans seem to prefer. And most of all, I think it’s important not to slag off players that are trying their hearts out for this club.

    Laziest player in the squad…Ben Arfa…yet people love him because he occasionally does something special.

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  • Rainrix

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #17

    If pards wants a player with work rate to cover santon then gouffran should be the 1st name all day. He has the work rate and plenty of attacking ability so he wont stifle any attacking play as jonas does.

    Its obvious santon needs help seeing as he isnt going to be dropped anytime soon. Jonas is a waste of a starting position nowadays.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #18

    SeanNufc87

    You mean the TV money we haven’t got yet? Sure…and I’ll go and put a holiday on my credit card now which I’ll pay off with my bonus next summer too…

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #19

    mindshaft // Oct 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    staying on the Remy issue we should get a few facts right

    There is a clause in his contract that he go for 8 million ( similar to the clause Ba had)
    QPR cannot change this clause
    We have an option to buy in Jan
    We are currently paying 100% of Remys wages
    Obviously Remy himself could scupper any deal by waiting until summer to see if a bigger club comes in for him
    ——-

    were you the one who drafted remy’s contract papers?

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  • WWSBRD

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #20

    QPR confirmed we had the option to buy Remy didnt they? After Kinnear implied we didnt…worrying that actually trust ‘arry more than our DoF

    No idea about the wages but Id imagine we are paying most of it otherwise QPR wouldnt of sanctioned the move

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #21

    Chill folks…we sign Remy in Jan, we sign Remy in summer, we don’t sign Remy…why the big fuss?

    Everton have Lukaku on loan, Liverpool have Moses on loan, plenty of other clubs have players on loan too.

    Why are people getting so stressed about the Remy situation?

    Most pertinent thing for me is that we don’t know what is going to happen with the rape case yet. Last thing we want is to have just bought a player who turns out to be a rapist! What would you say about JFK and MA if they did that?!

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  • belgrade fan

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #22

    In Jan we should buy CF and CB. if we buy 1st team CB that will allow Mbiwa to play FB or DM if necessary which will allow Santon to play on wing. If we take Zaha on loan ok, but I don’t like that loan deals unless with opt to buy. on Remy- if we really can sign him in Jan and if he refuse in attention to wait bigger club I would put him on the bench and play our new signed CF

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #23

    belgrade fan

    Are you quite young? That’s a really simplistic approach mate.

    I also don’t get the Santon on the wing thing. Has he ever played as a winger? We don’t even play with out and out wingers anyway.

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #24

    No one has any idea about the Remy loan deal, any statements to the contrary are speculative uneducated guesses of which they have no sources to prove.

    As for Jonas, he is certainly not a splendid player. He runs for the team, but I would like to think that any of us would give 100% for the team purely for the love of the club. It isn’t enough that he runs a lot.

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #25

    Dislike fans who use every single event and twist them to portray Ashley in a positive light.

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  • belgrade fan

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #26

    I m 32 yrs old and I was playing as a pro in Europe, USA and Thailand. And know a lot about football. I say that about Remy because we r only club who came 2 times for him and give him a chance when he has that rape case

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #27

    Ciaran

    No, you’re right, nobody has any idea about the Remy loan deal and we won’t know the result until he’s signed or he goes back to QPR. The one thing we do know is that it isn’t prudent to sign a player permanently when they have a rape case hanging over their head. I would have expected that one thought to just end any debate there.

    As for Jonas, there are none of us on this blog who could keep up that level of energy for a full PL game, so it’s a moot point. Players with a fantastic “engine” certainly have roles to play in a team. Warren Barton was definitely a limited player with a fantastic energy, his namesake Joey may have been decent with set pieces but his strength was his engine. David Beckham takes that even further.

    Jonas should be respected as a decent solid player who always tries his heart out.

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  • WWSBRD

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #28

    Ciaran
    Uneducated guesses are all we have to go on considering the man in charge of our transfers requires help getting dressed in the morning

    I disagree on Jonas as well still a good player for me, had a tough time of it last season and got the scapegoat treatment but no one comes out of that season looking good (other than the lad who left us) he is vocal, plays for the team, wins freekicks like no ones business and is the only reason people think Raylor is a decent player imo

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #29

    Likening Jonas to David Beckham and Joey Barton. Heard it all now.

    WWSBRD

    Jonas was well past it last season, and is even further past it now. He has no technique, isn’t even as effective at winning frees as he once was, and has little to no passing ability.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #30

    belgrade fan

    Cabaye wants to join a bigger club too, should we bench him? If Remy wants to join a bigger club next summer, then he will have to play very well for us all season and score lots of goals. So you want to bench him when he’s motivated? I actually think that Cabaye’s attitude put of Wenger from coming back with a higher offer. Had he continued grafting like Rooney, Baines and Fellaini, then it might have proved to Wenger that he had the right mental ability to play at the very top level.

    As for Santon, just because he’s made a few defensive errors that doesn’t make him a winger. Have any of his previous managers played him as a winger? I don’t really see him as the next Gareth Bale, do you?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #31

    Ciaran

    Sorry. I forgot that you are a complete moron who is incapable of understanding anyone’s point of view that differs to yours. I’m pretty sure that anyone else with an IQ above 70 will grasp that I was talking about the value to the team of a player with a good engine who continues to run and try hard for the team over a full 90 minutes. This in sharp contrast to players like Ben Arfa.

    I think I’ll go back to completely ignoring your posts until I see some sign that you’ve grown up and are capable of adult discussion.

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  • WWSBRD

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #32

    Ciaran
    No technique? Howay man he was a integral part of our 5th place finish

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  • belgrade fan

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #33

    I think Santon could be a great winger because he has speed, technique and attitude to return back when he needs. Didn’t say that bcs he made mistakes. I think in Inter they tried him as a winger, not sure. really not sure. He is not Gareth Bale, no, but could be very good as a winger guarantee that.
    Yes, If we could sign classy CF (not Gomis) I would put him on the bench. Cabaye currently has no replacement in our team so he needs to play. We needed Ericsson type but Ashley is……..
    On Jonas- very good for last 15 mins IF we r 1 or 2 goals up

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  • WWSBRD

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #34

    ToonDarnSarf
    Meow

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  • Rainrix

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #35

    TDS…. Santon started his career as a winger and was moved to fullback at some point in the inter youth setup. To be fair the lad has the attributes of a winger, quick can beat a man and decent dribbling skills. Just the end product thats missing although i feel he was starting to improve on that front towards the end of last season with hands in 4 goals i can remember.

    I think people are hoping he does a bale by moving him further forward. I do think he would be an asset on the wing. However unless cisse was dropped i dont see a place for him on the wing.

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #36

    Joey Barton and David Beckham both had exceptional set piece delivery. David Beckham was also as fine a passer of the ball as you will ever see. If anyone was to characterise Beckham’s abilities, I think you will find “engine” a good bit down the check-list the same is applicable to Barton. He was a tackler, a free taker and leader before he was the man with the engine.

    Jonas is not our man with an engine, he is simply an incredibly limited player who runs around like a headless chicken any time he’s on the field.

    It’s also important to note that I never asked you to engage my point, but as you did, I thought it was only courteous to respond. You’re use of childish insults makes your call for me to grow up seem very ironic and hypocritical.

    You do understand these concepts? Yes?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #37

    belgrade fan

    Remy is scoring for us and you’re already talking about benching him???

    You’re 32…so can you understand that signing the likes of Eriksen would be extremely difficult when bigger clubs wanted him? It’s got nothing to do with Ashley being tight. Should we have outbid Spurs and then paid him £100kpw to join us for the money?

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  • belgrade fan

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Comment #38

    Rainrix

    Very good man, very good post. Santon is natural winger

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  • Ciaran

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Comment #39

    WWSBR

    Didn’t mean to write “no technique” but he is very technically limited. His link up play with Enrique was what made both players exceptional for us, and in our 5th place finish it was Jonas’ running, not technique that was useful for the team. He’s now lost that yard of pace that made his running somewhat useful and now he’s a shadow of himself, one that should be nowhere near the first team.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #40

    Rainrix

    Exactly, I don’t see a place for him either to be honest. We’ve got Ben Arfa, Remy and Goofy to play those roles and potentially Marv and Jonas too. I don’t see the point in experimenting with him unless he’s really showing everything required. Bale was bombing forward from LB and getting goals and assists, but Santon isn’t.

    We slate Jonas for having no end product, well Santon is lacking here too! Sure, he’s got speed and he can beat a man, but that doesn’t mean he can cross a ball or score goals.

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