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These Five Newcastle Youngsters Need First Team Games

11:27 am, Tuesday, October 8th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 48 Comments

James Tavernier, Gael Bigirimana, Haris Vuckic, Curtis Good and Adam Campbell are unlikely to see much first team football this season, so we would expect Alan Pardew to send these players out on loan, but we haven’t seen that yet, apart from a short loan spell at Shrewsbury Town by Tavernier for a couple of games, before he was injured and returned to Newcastle.

Gael Bigirimana

Gael Bigirimana – needs first team games

These players will play in the Newcastle U21 side, but Paul Dummett showed the way to quickly progress is by playing first team football out on loan, and both he and Conor Newton excelled at St. Mirren, and Conor is back there getting more first team games north of the border.

Conor has 20 games for St, Mirren And has eight so far this season.

Shane Ferguson is out on loan at Birmingham City for the season, and he’s so far played 11 times there, after playing for them  11 times on loan last season.

Midfielder Mehdi Abeid is at Panathinaikos for the season, and so far he has fives games for the Greek side with one goal.

Romain Amalfitano never came through last season, and the Frenchman is on loan at second division French club Dijon FCO, although his older brother Morgan is playing well for West Brom this season, on loan from Marseilles.

So if James Tavernier, Gael Bigirimana, Haris Vuckic, Curtis Good and Adam Campbell are to quickly progress, surely the best thing is for them  to go out on loan.

Australian Curtis Good had a good spell at Bradford City last season, and played 9 times there and even at Wembley against Swansea in the Capital Cup final, and this season in the Capital One Cup 3rd round tie at Morecambe, he made his first team debut for Newcastle.

Sammy Ameobi and Paul Dummett are too close to the first team to be sent out on loan, and both players can do a job for the Newcastle first team this season.

But for the other five – they need first team games – somewhere.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

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Tags: Adam Campbell · Conor Newton · Curtis Good · Haris Vuckic · James Tavernier · Mehdi Abeid · Paul Dummett



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48 responses so far ↓

  • 1 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    bla bla bla

  • 2 geordieboy83 // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Geordieboy83
    0 mins ago
    I think our squad is better than bottom half I do think we are capable of top 8. Hardly sets the pulses racing but very respectable. I agree a cb (de vrij from feyenoord) is needed a young rb (lad at Leeds) striker ( doumbia) and a true no 10 in the mould is de Jong or hamsik. I’m not suggesting hamsik is achievable lol. I do think vuckic has the potential to do this job he us a class act in the making lets just hope he achieves it with us.

    It’s guna be a season of constant up and downs. Which after 30 years is no different to each previous season. So I’m gonna enjoy each and every win and let the haters do what they do best.

  • 3 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    none of them will ever make progress under pardew.

    if pardew can make top pros look bad, what is he doing to our kids,,

  • 4 magicbus // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Loaning them out is the only way forward for most of them.

  • 5 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Long fortnight if Ed keeps pumping articles like this?

    If they need to get games, you give them? you do know only 11 are allowed and behind the scenes Pardew is doing everything to get jonas in starting 11.

    AND whoever thinks Tiote had a good game against cardiff needs a right old headshake.

  • 6 Blofal // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    I think Tiote had a good game against Cardiff. …

  • 7 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Vuckic needs to be over his injury problems before he goes to a lower league club and tries to play every week. Tav and Campbell were both on loan but came back with injuries, Good was on loan last season but didn’t play often and Bigi has said that he really wants to stay and fight to get into the first team.

    Unlike Championship Manager it isn’t always the best thing to send a player out on loan. Everyone is different and some players need competitive match experience and others are better off staying with a club with better facilities to work on things like technique of fitness.

    You can point to examples of top players going out on loan when they were young all you like, but there are plenty of players who stayed at the parent club and broke through later on.

  • 8 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 8, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Anyone who claims are squad isn’t in the top 8 needs to do a player by player comparison to any of the other 12 teams and enlighten us all on what club has a better squad.

  • 9 FrankfurtMag // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    It’s not all about the squad or team. Potentially we look pretty good on paper.

    Add the Manager, Coaching staff etc and we get a Hull result.

    No matter how good a team is on paper, with the wrong direction and development it will always go t*ts up.

  • 10 theartfuldodger // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Rgarding Centre Backs, we need to know what exactly we want i.e. one who competes for headers or one who reads the game.
    A complete CB is ideal but not easy to get.

    I would rather pay a little over the odds for a proven premier league CB rather than experimenting with 5m 6m bids eg bramble,boumsong,cacapa,rosenhal,dabizas

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    FrankfurtMag

    Come on, Pardew is better than Bruce and several other managers currently in the PL. Sure, 16th last season but 5th the one before.

    Proof will be in the tasting anyway. Only way to judge Pardew is on results. So far this season it’s just below average but it’s a long season…

    Biggest issue at the club is probably the turmoil. I’m sure 5,000 scousers and a bunch of Geordies marching through the city centre will sort that out though…

  • 12 nut meg // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Anyone seen very much of Adil Rami of Valencia.The club say he’ll never play for them again following his recent remarks about the new coach at Valencia. I looked him up on you tube but all it showed was him powering free kicks,shots,headers &overhead kicks at the goal,all very well but I’d like to know if he can defend because he’s supposed to be a CB !! HA HA

  • 13 pottsclock // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    At least 6 teams have a squad that is clearly far better that ours, namely:-
    man city, man u, spuds, chelsea, arsenal, liverpool

    So the discussion really is whether our squad better than any two others and I think it is debatable whether our squad is better than Southampton (who have a net txfer spend of £78m in the last 15month and is now full of internationals) or Everton if you include the players on loan at Everton.

  • 14 Rake // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    On Jonas, I believe that Jonas does everything Pardew ask’s of him. He tries to win free kicks to give us a chance to throw it forward for Willo to not header. He covers the full back and let’s them do the attacking. He runs up and down the flank mostly backwards doing this said covering.

    I can’t help but think that’s what Pardew ask’s him to do and so he does it. Hence Pardew’s trust in him. I hope we only see him away from home helping us defend. Santon was getting bullied by Cardiff I was actually glad to see Jonas come on to help him out.

  • 15 Belfast // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Basically we signed the wrong Amalfitano….

  • 16 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    pottsclock

    The Southampton team still has several players that are not good enough for the top 10 in the PL. Check out the squad here:http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-southampton/startseite/verein_180.html

    It’s a decent squad but not much depth. I still think that only Everton’s competes.

    For me, that means that Pardew should be aiming for 8th place and not 10th. I think 10th would be poor.

  • 17 Belfast // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I actually think Bruce is a good manager toondarnsarf.

    Apart from the mackem job, he’s been a good manager.

    He certainly out thought Pardew no problem a few weeks ago.

  • 18 Partizan // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Belfast…Basically you’re right,but don’t forget that even the birds knew that Morgan is 3 times better than his younger brother,and 3 times more expensive regarding wages.If you watched Marseille few years back you’d know what i’m talking about.
    So basically we knew about Morgan’s quality but cos of the stiffness of our lovely owner we have decided to take a gamble on his cheaper brother thinking that blood is not water and he’ll follow his brother footsteps in becoming at least as half as good as him…we guess what,,we were wrong ;-) .

  • 19 Partizan // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    well**

  • 20 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    We may have a very good squad but until they are utilised in the right way and are able to perform at their best week in week out, it counts for nothing.

    Selections, tactics and the approach to the games is what is under question

  • 21 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    TDS

    Pardew can’t dine out on his only top 6th finish in a 16 year managerial career forever. It came sandwiched between a 12th and a 16th place finish with normal service of mediocrity resumed this season. Pardew is always found out – period

    Pardew has managed to deflect blame on to Ashley but as you have just clearly pointed out our squad is easily top 8, so excuses running a bit thin and no injuries or europe to blame either.

    We can only ever dream of a proper manager like Rodgers, Villas Boas, Laudrup, Martinez, Pellegrini, Wenger, Pochettino, even Poyet etc, etc. Our level is dullards like Pardew, Allardyce and Hughes.

  • 22 magpie6699 // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    I’m not saying Pardew is anything above average, but I can’t believe the people who rate Poyet at all, let alone above Pardew. He hasn’t proved much yet.
    Unless these are the same people who were annoyed when the Mackems appointed Di Canio that we hadn’t get rid of Pardew and appointed the Nazi instead…..

  • 23 Mint // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Is it clear now that Ba made Cisse good? we basically lost two players last year

  • 24 Mint // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Oh, and Pardew is good on balence. lets leave it at that until the season finishes eh?

  • 25 theartfuldodger // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Can someone explain squad depth .. Is it like for like replacements or different options.

    Tiote Anita Sissoko are all different players vying for the same position.
    The manager needs to subtly change tactics but pardews success has been limited to tiote.

  • 26 toon kk // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    TDS
    your falling into the trap like alot of other fans of over rating our squad. Yes we have some really good players but on the whole we’re an average squad, infact for what our Squad cost there’s other clubs that are better teams that cost less.
    Thats either down to our poor training or over rated players not good enough.

  • 27 Partizan // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Magpie6699…I’m one of those who will always rate Poyet,,the same one who kicked us out twice from the Cups and the one who showed Pardew how football should be played.

  • 28 cyprus // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    ‘Always’ is a long word. Will you stick with that if he takes Sunderland down?

    And to another poster, yes, Tiote had a good game man. Why not? Before we know it, we’ll all be shaking our heads on this blog :)

  • 29 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    I’ve never disliked or been as down about our club and performances as I am now. That is saying something with some of the dross we’ve had to endure over the years.

    Survival is Ashley’s aim to boost his business revenue via advertising. That is essentially what we are a by-product of and nothing more.

    Cheap, under-class manager, with little to no spending on the team, that’s where we’re at, and I hate the lack of ambition with a passion.

    It’s not good enough and needs to change.

  • 30 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Poyt is rated highly by many and the fact that people on here, myself included, wanted him to replace Pardew is simply because Pardew’s time has run it’s course and we know what we are going to get from him, whereas there is a chance in employing someone like Poyet, I would have prefered us to take that chance

  • 31 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    It’s more of a shame because I feel we have a very capable squad, IF they are utilised to maximise their ability, as well as blending their strengths into one fluid and POSITIVE unit.

  • 32 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Jack, me too.

  • 33 cyprus // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Laurent Robert,
    First off, congrats for the amazing goals. Regarding your post, I get your point, (really, read other posts of mine) but I doubt he tells the wife ‘let’s go watch some dross football just so I can collect some TV money at the end of the year’. I really doubt it man.
    Successful people want more success, it’s the nature of the beast.

  • 34 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Laurent Robert 32

    Unfortunately we are reliant on individual performances rather that the team dynamic. Take away the brilliance of HBA and Remy this season and we would have nothing

  • 35 cyprus // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Watch the game vs. spurs a couple of years back, he’s celebrating the goals and win like a real fan. He doesn’t seem to be pretending, and he’s supposed to be a spurs fan, according to this blog ;)

    But enough in his defense. He should have done a thousand things which he didn’t….

  • 36 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    cyprus

    We are for sale and have been for a few years now. True that success breeds success but he simply wants his money back to enable him to walk away clean and until that happens we will simply exist and nothing more

  • 37 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Nobody knows how a manager will perform after taking the job. Dalglish won the League with Blackburn but was atrocious for us.

    All you can do is analyse a manager’s strengths and hope they fit with your players and how they can evolve together.

    What is wrong, is employing a proven failure, and sticking with him when it is glaringly obvious that he has to go.

    My computer is broken but I’m going to keep booting it up as normal because I can access safe mode. The stability theory, with Alan Pardew.

  • 38 cyprus // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    JB,
    the crazy thing is this Jekyll and Hyde thing, right? We DON’T know which NUFC will show up and neither does AP or anyone else. Just when we are about to throw in the towel (I focus on AP as the main culprit), they go and play that first half. Crazy, crazy. Could we beat Liverpool? Why yes. Could we get spanked? Sure.

  • 39 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    cyprus

    I work with two Cardiff season ticket holders and they asked me what did I think the score would be and I told that it in all honesty it could be 0-6 to us or 6-0 to them. that unfortunately is the nature of our club/team right now and until Ashley is gone nothing is going to change

  • 40 cyprus // Oct 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    JB,
    I was referring to another post of yours there. On the last, it could be that he’s given up, yes. But I see a new glint in his eye, lately :) Maybe it’s my imagination. Something tells me someone is under scrutiny and serious probation.

  • 41 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Cyprus, thanks ;-)

    Playing better and or being successful is obviously welcome for him as it would be for anyone. However, the limits of minimal outlay, signing then persisting with a cheap and proven to be incapable manager tell me he’s quite happy for things to be as they are, that is clear.

    He thought it was satisfactory to take the beatings we did last year and awful performances and narrowly miss relegation. How do we know this? Because he didn’t sign any more players permanently or employ a capable and proven manager.

    He has the power to change that if he really wants… but he doesn’t. That is my point. It is of a satisfactory state to continue with what we have. That is not ambition, that is something else entirely.

    Something else, is his money making, and that alone.

  • 42 JackButler // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    cyprus

    Maybe Pardew is now under serious pressure to deliver, but the fans, for the most part don’t have the confidence that Ashley would make the right appointment even if he were to cut him loose and it’s thats fear, fear of the like’s of Kinnear or someone of equally poor credentials taking over that gets some fans to want to stick with Pardew

  • 43 Partizan // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Laurent Robert 32….Daglish had 1 good season and he won the league can you imagine….but we’re talking about Poyet who CONSTANTLY makes his team play amazing football year after year and not just for 1 season.

    My number 1 pick at the end of last season was Rudy Garcia but i’m so glad he went to Roma so he doesnt have to put up with this misery surrounding this club.

  • 44 SeanNufc87 // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Rotonda

    You love picking and choosing from pardews career to support your argument dont you?

    Reading: relegation bound, almost got promoted in 01, got promoted in 02 to division 1, finished 4th in the first season in division 1. Left for west ham.

    West ham: 1st season division 1 playoff final defeat, 2nd season promoted to prem after playoffs 3rd season (06) 9th in the prem and an FA cup final defeat (on pens to Liverpool) in 07 he had a terrible run (worst in 70 years) and was fired.

    Charlton: … he was absolutely terrible, relegation after a promising start then 11th in the championship before leaving on mutual concent.

    Southampton: 2010, almost got to the playoffs despite a 10 point deduction, won the JPT. Was fired 5 months later after falling out with the chairman.

    I wont post the Newcastle stuff as I would assume you know it.

    But that list has more positives than negatives in my view, not saying hes the right man for us, just saying its ignorant to state he has done nothing apart from finish 5th in the prem once.

  • 45 jimmysmith // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Surely we can take heart from the patches of excellent form we’ve shown. Who knows, but it seems to me we might be on the verge of coming good, and I haven’t felt like that in ages, not even the season we finished fifth, where I just thought the good run would surely finish sooner rather than later and very surprisingly didn’t. Sort out the defense, which looks like its a shape issue as well as a horses for courses one and get Cisse back in form and I think we can still make top 6. It’s still early doors in a long season.

  • 46 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    On the points that we can win or lose by a couple of goals, I agree with that too.

    My thoughts on it are that the team itself is full of capable players. Capable enough to get call-ups for their countries. At various points, their collective skill irrespective of managerial input will be able to achieve results.

    Management and coaching is over the long haul though, and we are continuously poor at fundamental movements and patterns in our play, that includes Pardew’s much heralded 5th season, which was based on a lot of men behind the ball and individual goals.

    Like jack just said, which is where we’re at now.

    Remy solo goals, Ben Arfa solo goal, Cabaye pot shot from distance. That is what we’re basing our points tally on. It cannot last. We need the brilliance of individuals, but our bread and butter should be the team and team goals. We don’t have that.

  • 47 HOGC // Oct 9, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    @ Jimmysmith, the times we played well, i believe its because the players were too sick and tired of pardew’s instructions that they decide to do things their way. I’m fully a believer of this theory.

  • 48 LEROI // Oct 9, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    Vuckic has lets say less than impressed me in any game I’ve seen him, campbell has done nowt as well looks like a toddler trying to understand what the big boys are kicking that roundy white thing for when he comes on. bigi is canny good but easily 5 choice at cm behind cabs,toite,sisso& nanita.




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