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Four Positives From The Liverpool Game Yesterday

4:37 pm, Sunday, October 20th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 123 Comments

There were a number of positives for Alan Pardew to take out of the game yesterday, and we’ll list just a few of them – but it was a game which will give our players a lot of confidence, especially the way our lads were so resolute in that second half – and deserved that little bit of luck in the last 20 minutes to take the point.

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Paul Dummett – after scoring his goal yesterday

Here are four positives we took out of the game yesterday:

  • Cheick Tiote had a very good game and is probably back to near his best form. And he made a decent job as Newcastle captain, and as we said earlier today, if this is the impact the captaincy has on his play, he should be the Newcastle vice-captain from now on.
  • Paul Dummett again came on and got the job done for his home town club Newcastle, after Yanga-Mbiwa had been given his marching orders, and in that second half his positional play at center-back was good, and he did very well alongside Mike Williamson at the back.
  • Yohan Cabaye apologized ro Newcastle fans for his antics at the beginning of the season, and said he would pay them back by what he does on the field. And that goal from nothing yesterday was simply magnificent, and long may Yohan be in the form he is at the moment – he was simply terrific yesterday for Newcastle.
  • Every single Newcastle player – including the likes of Loic Remy who wasn’t in the game much, but would have slept well last night – ran their socks of for the cause.  It was great to see the commitment, courage and resilience of the Newcastle side yesterday in the second half, when they were under so much adversity – they were simply great

Which are some of the other positives we didn’t list?

Sunderland have seven defeats and one draw in their first eight games, but this could still be a huge banana skin for Newcastle next Sunday – just like Hull City proved to be – and we must go all out to get all 3 points – but it will not be easy.

What do you think?



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123 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Toon Tang // Oct 20, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    to all us toon fans expecting a walkover against sunlun, remember what happened in the same situation last season. Everyone were predicting cricket scores and we went in to the game thinking it would be a piece of piss.

    This will be a real tough game me thinks.

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    It was a very good display. We played well as a team, didn’t create many chances but Liverpool have been pretty solid against most teams this year so that’s credit to their defence.

    I think everyone put in a shift and the fullbacks still attacked but also defended with much more composure and held positions at the right times.

    Overall it was a much better display and credit where it’s due.

    I don’t think HBA worked well as a lone striker but it takes time to adjust to a new role and it was worth a go seeing as cisse hasn’t done much. Can’t fault pardew for trying something different, it’s the ony way to find out if it works.

  • 3 cyprus // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Remember when Fergie loaned us a small CF called Rossi? Thought he was having a laugh (e.g.see Butt, Smith, Obertan)? He just scored a hat trick vs. Juve

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Toon tang

    Derbies always are hard as players and fans are really fired up and form can go out the window. I’d still rather play them when they are down than when they are in good form but a wounded animal is always dangerous.

    I fancy us to win as they can’t defend and have no real goal threat or creativity but like you say we’ll need to work very hard still

  • 5 Toon Tang // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    your right sage mate, im hoping their first win of the season is put off for another week because it will come sooner or later (probably).

  • 6 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Exccllent team display yesterday and some excellent individual displays and Pardew got his tactics right.
    This season playing some of the best football for a few seasons

    BUT
    Not looking forward to next Sunday
    In fact I bloody hate derbies and the build up.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    charlie

    I think the football is improving but we still lack the quality in the final third, not quite enough movement, not enough bodies forward and not enough link up there but the passing in the rest of the field is very good.

    I think cabaye just needs to get that 10 yards further forward as he seems to play some great balls in to cisse and remy but ends up a bit too deep too often.

    Personally i’d drop sissoko for anita and then have anita and tiote a bit deeper with cabaye having a bit more room further forward.

    As for the dery, I can’t wait..love the tension and the nerves during the game, for me its what football is all about.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    tang

    yeh they have to win at some point, like you say just hope it’s not against us.

  • 9 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    From Liverpool fan “I couldn’t agree more. From his 1st game I was worried. Before we bought Sakho we had kept 3 clean sheets from 3 games, the best defensive record in the league. Then we buy him and he starts all games and guess what – not a clean sheet since and in fact, an appalling defensive record. That is NOT a coincidence. This was a bad buy by Rodgers, a terrible mistake. I also query why Rodgers hasn’t dealt with Moses. He gets the ball and just runs and runs until he loses it. He fails to spot runs by his teammates, is greedy and fails to make some passes that would lead to goalscoring opportunities. And guess what, Rodgers starts him every game and he does the same thing every week. If I, a mere mortal, can spot it, why can’t a premier league manager. clueless.”

    Its not just our fans who like a whinge even though they are playing fantastic football I think our fans would still moan even if Pards gets us playing sexual football every week

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    santon

    that’s the thing….no matter how well you do there is always something to improve on.

    As for moses, he is a bit greedy but got to take the good with the bad, for every time he gives the ball away running at somebody there is another time he beats than man and slots the ball in the back of the net. Sure he needs to improve his decision making but he is still young and will improve that over the next couple years.

    And I agree on sakho, heard people on here rave about him and say he was amazing, never seen him until he moved to liverpool but he looks very shakey and i think they have 3 better CB’s than him.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    santon

    also rogers hasn’t got many signings right in my eyes….i like sturridge, i like moses, i like coutinho, toure and mignolet….but other than that the other buys have been poor… borini, sakho (might improve/settle though), aspas, ilori, cissoko, alberto

    he is very hit and miss with bringing players in for me.

  • 12 bills-son // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth,

    Just read your daft post about advertising.

    Me dead wrong again you reckon?

    Why don’t you read what I write – I was talking about GROUND advertising, nothing else. Not shirt advertising or any other sponsorship.

    Perhaps you can’t read properly – is that the problem?

  • 13 theartfuldodger // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    On MBiwa – He really wasnt bad yesterday. Yes he made a mistake,but he had pressure on him. He tried too hard to stop suarez. I dont think its fair comparing him with Boumsong. Mbiwa is really good with an attacker running towards him. He can stop the guy. He is also good keeping up with them. However yesterday suarez was always ahead of him and he should have accepted that.

    Does he have a 1 match or a 3 match ban ?

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    bills

    on ground advertising there have been a few different articles posted. some talk about it in the range of tens of thousands where others put it in the millions…so its difficult to know which is which.

  • 15 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Not been Pardews biggest fan but full credit to him and the players yesterday
    Also showing once again that in all fairness to the bloke his man management skills are great and now that he’s no longer playing his favourites, making some bold selections and showing no one has a guaranteed spot in the 11 the benefits are starting show

    Some interesting battles coming up for selection, dummett has well and truly shown himself as a contender but fair play to santoon who also upped his game and put in a top drawer display
    No doubt Anita will want his place back and with tiote putting in one of the best displays I’ve seen off of him the pressure is well and truly on sissoko!

    Cabaye and Debuchy were absolutely top draw and showed why they are regular internationals
    Goofy and Remy well and truly have there eyes set on being starters so cisse jonas and marveux need to really up there game if there to force there way in to the squad!

    HBA certainly put the effort in but just didn’t work as a CF but certainly showed enough that with goof and Remy they have the making of a truly lethal front 3!

    So the only big question is who is are best CB pairing???
    Mbiwa I thought had a good game until a switching off for a moment which cost him dearly, still think the lad will come good, but who’d of thought it our best CB at the moment looks to be………Willo! The forgotten man and blog scape goat has been absolutely solid over the last two games!

    Now the big challenge for Pardew is to make sure the team are up to his challenge of performing to that level on a consistent basis

  • 16 bills-son // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    TS,

    Some of these supposed fabulous forwards we missed out on like Bony and Van Wolfswinkel aren’t looking too clever either – the only team outside of the top six that looks as if it has moved on is Southampton and its still early days for them yet.

    All of those shouting about how far we have fallen behind even clubs outside of the top six need to give themselves a shake.

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    this is a little insight to sponsorships and all the things you can sponsor to make money

    http://soccerlens.com/football-advertising/11782/

    it has advertising board prices but the biggest club they mention is stoke…and it also doesn’t say if that price they charge is for the highest or lowest end of the scale.

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Bills
    So talking purely about the stadium somehow voids the fact they also sponsor are training kits without coughing up for it does it?
    Does it make it any different that they are blocking a genuine source of revenue?

    Maybe you can’t accept that we’re being robbed and you can’t admit that constant praise is unbelievably mid placed – is that the problem?

  • 19 bills-son // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Tds,

    Credit where due, good post that at 15.

  • 20 pottsclock // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    I like a good pie, but sadly Pete’s Pies of Stoke have not been transformed into the multi-billion, multi-national brand that I was hoping from their advertising at the Britannia stadium.
    There’s some much potential – pasties, flans, quiches, samosas….

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    bills

    I would have liked another one or two players in during the summer, i won’t lie, but as i have said all season i still think we have the 8th best squad in the league and will finish 10th (mainly 10th not 8th due to how we can be inconsistent).

    My problem with ashley has never been mainly down to the players we sign or sell but down to the timings of these buying/selling of players…think that needs improving.

    would also like a more though out process in the running of the club…why have a very old school director of football, a mix of old school/attempting to be modern manager and then very modern/technical players…think it would be better if we had them all singing from the same hymn sheet in my opinion.

  • 22 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Sage
    Surely it doesn’t matter if it brings in £10 it £10 mil, it’s still a source of income which the top brass are telling us we need to bring in, so to have the board saying the club need to bring in money whilst the owner is piggybacking a company he’s a major share holder in for free is simply not on

  • 23 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Transfer
    Yeah a lot of games we don’t get enough players joining the attack but I thought yesterday we got it right playing a bit more cautious with flat back four without Debuchy and Santon not bombing forward and the midfield acting as a defensive shield in front of the back four blocking the space for the Liverpool players to exploit

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    tads

    very well put and couldn’t agree more…whether people like pardew or not i like to try and judge him by what i see and i think great credit for yesterday.

    cisse clearly isn’t working and we all know shola doesn’t do much (except when he played linking nicely with Ba) so it was nice to try hatem and see how it went.

  • 25 achtoon // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    I haven’t posted for a long time but I keep reading this blog, mainly when we win as this site is a nightmare when we lose. I’ve supported Ashley and pardew but thelast game I went to was Liverpool at home and I took 3 Liverpool supporters and we got beat 6-0. that was my last straw for pardew but I’ve got to say the last few games we have played very well. I can’t understand why one player makes the difference. Pardew thinks we couldn’t play this was without remy, don’t make sense to me. one thing I have to say to all the Ashley haters is why does he go to all the games, including the ‘lesser’ away games? I’ve gone through all the scenarios and making money from advertising etc, this is a guy who does millions in a hand at cards. I’ve boiled down to the fact he just owns Newcastle for a bit of fun on a Saturday.

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    charlie

    i was very impressed with both fullbacks, especially debuchy as he did get forward but at the right time, not every time like he has been doing recently…they played very well.

    and i’d still like to see more of cabaye/sissoko getting into the box when the ball goes wide to support the striker more but we are definitely getting better.

    tads

    i see your point on advertising but it is costs us say only 100/200,000 a year then its not a big deal when we bring in 80/90mil with tv, tickets, shirts and sponsors….granted its better to have it than not but in the grand scheme it’s not that big of an impact.

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Bills
    I’m not really interested in an argument, or if Ashley the best/ worse owner in history
    My point is no matter where SD are advertising, be it on kits, the stadium roof, the programme or even if they have part of the club shop, it’s still a legitimate source of income, the club have said we need to bring in additional funds, so whether or not it’s right or wrong for SD to advertise for free or for very little it’s still blocking what is potentially a very lucrative funding stream

    The big question is who’s the one trying to sort theses deals out now we don’t have a managing director?

  • 28 achtoon // Oct 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    tads

    i agree with you partially on the point of income. Chelsea and spurs are smallish clubs but because of investment they have got in the champions league which has boosted their income, we could do the same but bigger. my one (of many) criticisms of Ashley.

  • 29 Mister Tuff // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    I posted a link earlier about what Spurs are doing to take them forward. I see nobody has commented on the article (miserable scumbags). I’ll post the link again to allow you to make an assessment/decide whether the Toon or Spurs are the most progressive club. Read the article -it’s not a bad read.
    http://www.someoneinlondon.com/category/projects/a-brandworld-for-tottenham-hotspur

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    achtoon

    i think chesea is a different situation as they are 100% funded by a billionaire owner who has enough free cash to spend what he likes.

    spurs have shown through clever investment and good management what can be achieved building slowly bringing through kids and supplementing that with good buys of experienced players.

  • 31 stuart no9 // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    ok pards (and i hate to say it) done well yesterday played well with 11 men then battled to earn a very well earned point with 10- well done pards,however he normally pulls off 1 good game every season, remember stoke 3 years ago , remember man u at home 2 years ago, and who will forget that great win against chelsea last year.sooooo, before bigging pards up to be manager of the year on the back of-1 yes 1 good game, just hang fire and see how he performs the rest of the season,- or have we had our yearly ‘fix’ so early in the season? i hope we havnt, but , we will see.

  • 32 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Mr. tuff
    That’s the thing I really don’t understand Mike Ashley
    He’s handed out long contracts, made it clear-ish he wants to build long term yet appoints Dekka then Kinnear

    Surely he’s met enterprising business men in his time at SD, people with ideas, people who know how to build and run a project successfully?
    So why not appoint one! Why not appoint as smart forward think MD?

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    tads

    thats what i cant understand….surely he can see these people he hires aren’t the best.

    And also if we can see this as a fan, then surely he is a football fan and can see the same?

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    tads

    also if you don’t want to spend much money then surely you need to make sure you have the best possible people in place to get 100% out of the money you do put in

  • 35 achtoon // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Sage

    if Ashley wanted to make more money from us then he would invest more, champions league gets more viewers then premier league. that’s why i don’t think he is doing it for the money. The profit ashley could make from the toon is pennies compared to SD. I prefer an owner who turns up the games than someone who just does it as an investment. by the way i loved the way we played yesterday/

  • 36 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    Sage
    Completely agree mate
    If you want to save money and get the club entirely self sufficient then yeah you’d get people in who are top of there fields even if was only to consult
    Your not going to be able to do that properly with a casino gaffer and a geriatric with Tourette’s syndrome and very sketchy memory!

  • 37 Ciaran // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Achtoon

    The money he would need to invest in order to crack top 4 would be more than the CL money would bring in. Currently PL clubs have signed the most lucrative TV deal ever, just for being in the league.

    Why would he spend 100 million+ in the off chance of CL football when he can invest less than 20 million and collect the TV money?

  • 38 stuart no9 // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    transfer- it is well documented that ashley is very generous towards his mates. If you are a pal of his , expect to be treated with respect , and to be showered with gifts , and bonuses- regardless of how well you perform in your specific role assignned to you , being a pal of his is worth more than any salary. He knows these people he hires may not be the best, but having his mates along side him, gives him the comfort he needs when the nasty geordie public voice their discontent towards him and the pathetic way he attempts to run a football club.

  • 39 achtoon // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    TDS, arsenal owners target for the last 10 years was to make them the richest club in the world, they’ve paid off their stadium and spent 35m on one player who could win them the league. i’m hoping this is Ashley’s big plan.

  • 40 achtoon // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    cairn

    i disagree. Chelsea, man city, spurs, were smallish clubs who have been boosted by investment to get them in the big league. Newcastle could have at least 80K fans everyweek if we had a successful team. I remember a 20k waiting list when keegan was the manager and we had 50k in the stadium.

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    tads – Ashley employs all forms of experts when dealing with his SD businesses but alas it would appear no such expert advice for the Toon.
    Reading the article about what Spurs are up to suggests that if we are not doing anything similar -that Ashley is not bothered greatly whether we are successful or not. without doubt getting into the top 6 will inevitably cost more money -a) to get there and b) to stay there or progress further.
    Mid table aspirations avoids the additional problems of investing larger sums to get top players. If say we finished 7th this year (no chance) there would be cries from everyone to invest more loot. These clamours for more are easily avoided by finishing around mid table. Ashley’s SD signs at SJP will still be seen worldwide (and increasingly so) when the likes of Manu, Spurs, Chelsea and Spurs come to visit.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    achtoon

    i dont think ashley is in newcastle to make money…just have a bit of fun, get the prestige of owning a prem club and when he found out how much it costs and how hard it is he decided to break even on it and build sports direct up a bit until he can sell the club and get his money back or make a profit.

    tads

    it just makes little sense…i post this nearly every day but klopp at dortmund is on 1.8mil euro a year…works out around 30,000 pound a week, the wage if an average player…s surely we could get a good manager in for a very sensible wage.

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    ruddy @37 I think your two short paragraphs just about sums up our “future policy”.

  • 44 Ciaran // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Look at the increase in Sports Direct share prices in the last 6 years. Ashley may not be trying to make money from Newcastle United, but that does not mean he did not buy Newcastle United to make money.

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    ciaran

    I think newcastle has helped sports direct get bigger worldwide but i think the biggest thing to help then was the recession.

    that when they took off and other, higher priced sports shops went under/cut back which has allowed them to dominate the market

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Mister Tuff
    Mate I couldn’t agree more
    I hate to keep referring to spurs but sadly a lot of my mates are spuds and hear about how great they are on a daily basis :(

    It wasn’t that long ago that us and spurs weren’t to dissimilar but through years of sensible investment they are reaping the rewards and it’s mostly down to a dynamic Managing Director

    I mean take white hart lane for example, it’s a dive, and a fairly average sized one at that
    But they have so many schemes set up with the local authorities and businesses where as Ashley, intentionally or not has alienated the local authorities and ignored a wealth of local businesses
    Then take there kits
    What a master stroke! Different sponsors for different competitions and seem more than happy with Europa league while they continue to develop
    Then there’s player sales
    Now I hate the thought of losing our best players but sadly it’s inevitable, but spurs sell at the right time, take tiote, we had clubs linked in excess of £20 million, now?
    And then the key, re investment, which we haven’t always seen happen

    If that’s his plan to build slow and steadily then he needs to seriously look at the foundations he’s attempted to lay

  • 47 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    on the march…

    here are a few photos which I took as part of the march. I’ll post three separate links:

    http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5849/8d3r.jpg

    It was covered on various news stations, home and abroad, so for raising awareness, it was a satisfactory first meeting.

    As you can see, it’s not just a few kids with banners, but people of all ages coming together as they are concerned with the stagnant mediocrity which Ashley and his drinking buddies are enforcing onto this great club.

  • 48 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Thanks for the link to the article Mr. Tuff @ 29. Very interesting read. Spurs are a very progressive club and will be in the top 5 year in, year out. We have an entirely different kettle of fish in Ashley. His approach is to balance the books, remain mediocre because it costs little and keeps us in the Prem for the TV money and hire lackeys because they tell him what a brilliant man he is and offer to kiss whatever he asks them to kiss. Does that sound like a man who will take us to the Champions League? I remain highly skeptical pending evidence of real ambition from him mate.

  • 49 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    here’s another pic of the march:

    http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4049/kr6s.jpg

    how many kids do you see nearby? Exactly.

  • 50 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Thanks for the link Laurent Robert @47. It’s good that people took their time to show their concern mate.

  • 51 wolfshead@toon // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    tads

    your not pards biggest fan but at least you dont slag him off blaming him for every problem at the club with every post like the moronic haters unles you have more than 1 i.d. haha

  • 52 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    and the last pic…

    http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2577/9ktp.jpg

    Impeccable behaviour all round.

  • 53 pottsclock // Oct 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    We know the revenue from gate seats alone – even if we have a 100,000 seater stadium will not make the difference. It’s about building a bigger international fan base that will buy club memorabilia and, more importantly, make us more attractive to big league business sponsors who will pay bigtime to be associated with the club.
    Spurs, for example, are estimated to have a 3 million fan base in the UK but 170million international fan base (BBC report). We can also see why ManC and Chelski have a wider international fan base given their ownership. So why are we not attracting a wider international fan base:
    1. Lack of trophy success and exposure. (You have to invest a bit to accumulate so no chance under MrA)
    2. Our transfer policy is narrowed to certain foreign countries (France and France, which already has a strong domestic league itself). We’re not exploiting Asia, Americas, Africa or any other of the football-developing nations
    3. Where do we summer tour? We simply do not market ourselves through this route at all
    4. We don’t sign any big money stars who bring their fan-base with them. We sign developing talent to sell on.
    For example, went to former Yugoslavia for my hols this year. City supporters everywhere because of Dzeko. This is exactly why PSG signed Beckham when we was past it and milked it to the full.
    Frankly, we need a commercial manager with some foresight, a couple of Asian signings and a summer tour of China for five consecutive years, with all the marketing. Then we might see some difference.

  • 54 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    No problem, GeordieTwo.

    I just hope this sheds more factual light on the march, rather than made up hypotheticals by the a few of the non-attendees claiming only a few kids were there, which as you can see, is an incorrect statement to make.

    There were lots of various age groups there and black and white shirted supports were clapping us by at times and giving us thumbs up in approval of our discontent, as were some Liverpool fans too.

  • 55 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Pottsclock
    You bring up a very very good point in there regarding are scouting and transfer policy
    It’s far far far too concentrated!

    Look at us the season we finished 5th , every time we were linked with a player the main comment was “pass, last thing we need is another player who’s going to vanish every January the ACON”
    Now it’s “pass, we have far too many Frenchmen in the team”

    We find a market, milk it dry and then when said market wise’s up to us signing talent for bottom dollar we have no plan b to move on to

  • 56 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Spot on pottsclock @53. It takes time and committment to develop an international fan base. And money. You have to spend to expand the interest. You have to have ambition and recognize managerial talent, not who can keep up with you in a drinking contest or is willing to run around naked on a bet.

  • 57 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    It’s absolutely clear from your pictures that it wasn’t just a few kids Laurent Robert. Thanks again. I would have come if I could have. It’s difficult to say what might have an impact on Ashley. Most likely it will take endless commitment from the supporters to force change for the better at the club.

  • 58 wolfshead@toon // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    assley wont pays carrs travel expenses any further than france

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    tads

    exactly…what countries have the best kids at the moment? spain, germany and belgium…we need to look to these places a lot more than we are.

    I know from a family relative, a bit distant so don’t chat often but the club did a lot to get their 8 year old son to sign from sunderand, invited the family to a game, but them in a box and agreed to send a taxi t pick him and his dad up to take him to and from training…so there are some positives coming through for youngsters.

  • 60 fatman // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    bills-son

    A company approached Newcastle about renting all the notice boards currently being used free of charge by Ashley, and they were asked to name a price but were told that they were not for sale. i could not find the name of the company or company’s involved but i will keep trying.

  • 61 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Not going to jinx next week. Some of the players will be scarred from last season and it’s important they don’t go out with the attitude of not getting beat.
    Fortunately a lot of our players now have experience in derby matches (cabaye/tiote/santon/willo/krul will be important) and should have a bit of confidence.
    They need to win or they’re pretty much gone. Will be intense, cagey, tight, and the football won’t be great to watch. However, an early goal for us and we’ve as good as won.

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    LR32
    Good pictures mate, must admit I wasn’t sure where people were getting the “barely covered” line from as saw it mentioned on BT sport, an article on both my BBC Sports App and SSN app, heard it discussed (and backed to a degree ) on talk sport, there were articles in the journal and the chronicle and there was a Norwegian lad on here yesterday saying the sports channels covering the game were fully concentrated on the protest in the pre game build up

    So all things considering, although the turn out wasn’t perhaps massive in relation to the gates, it was a pretty successful first much to draw attention to Time4Change and the fans unhappiness in general

    Also credit to the organisers and those who took part, all of whom have conducted themselves and represented the fans in a great light with a peaceful protest

  • 63 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    And I hear Carr actually thumbs a ride to the ferry and packs his own lunch wolfshead @58 :)

  • 64 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    fatman, good info that, thanks for sharing.

  • 65 jimmysmith // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Obviously from a fans perspective you want more from the owner. I hope the Time4change movement hangs in there, even if only to keep the “bastard” relatively honest. But after 6 years of Ashley, I’m afraid what you see is what you get, and to be fair it is still substantial, but it also doesn’t look likely to progress the club competitively.

    Even so, and despite the disillusionment over the lack of real ambition, I have realised all this doesn’t take anything away from the thrill and excitement and pride I feel from a performance like Saturdays or the love I have for the shirt and the club.

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Sage
    I remember dekka saying we’d branched into Belgium, but know we have JFK calling the shots and the clubs saying buy British I have no idea where we’re looking now, or even if are under 26 policy is still in place!

  • 67 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    toonarmydownsouth, no worries. I think quite a few people may have been sceptical about safety and how it has been organised. It was half past ten start (didn’t set off until a bit later though), people have families and things to do in a morning whilst shops are open as well if they can’t go on a Sunday, so it isn’t necessarily possible for people to go.

    I thought it was a decent turnout for it for an initial march.

    Big snowmen start off as little snowballs.

  • 68 wolfshead@toon // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    @63

    lol i wouldnt be at all surprised if he did

  • 69 Slank // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Pottsclock

    I agree with you on point 1. Our total lack of success over 50 years is I believe a major barrier in attracting lucrative sponsorship deals. Sponsors want to be linked with successful football teams, it makes sense. It’s what the marketing guys tell you all the time. I don’t think NUFC can achieve that overnight.

    Even winning a trophy (Capital Cup) will not do that although it’s a start. We have to be consistently at the top table with the big boys but that is extremely difficult to achieve, and getting harder.

    We have seen that money (Chelsea and Man City) does buy success but that alone cannot guarantee success. It needs world class players and a world class manager and backroom team. Whilst Mike Ashley is a very rich man he isn’t in the same league as that of the owners of Chelsea and Man City. By comparison, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal who are not as wealthy are doing very well in the league but it will be interesting to see whether money wins the Premiership again.

    We on the other hand have to hope for a top ten finish and success in a cup competition as Mike Ashley’s prime interest and energies appear to be on making Sports Direct more successful to which he is receiving a lot of praise from business and The City.

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    tads

    i think the key to it is to be involved in as many markets as possible, the more connections with more scouts the better as it gives you the chance of spotting players earlier.

    instead of targeting one or two markets we should have involvement in at least 7/8 with really good scouting, Anyone can pick the best players from a league but we need scouts to spot the hidden talent or the potential.

  • 71 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Excellent discussion on here today mates.

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    geordie two

    i think it’s always good to hear balanced arguments from both sides of the fence what we have tonight and discusing actual ways we think things could improve instead of mud slinging which happens too often

  • 73 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Spot on Transfer Sage @72. The mud slinging is the most boring thing of all.

  • 74 Ciaran // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Decent discussion when that blasted Ruddy isn’t on the blog ;)

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    geordie two

    yeh, i dont mind what people like o dislike about the club as long as they chat with respect and listen to what others say…dont have to agree just realise others might not agree

    football is a passionate sport and often the heart over rules the head which causes a lot of arguments…but why we love the sport

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    ciaran

    were you at the march yesterday?

  • 77 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    The derby will be very different form our last game. It will be trench warfare. Lots of hard tackles and yellow cards I would think. Tiote will have to stay under control. They will be absolutely desperate for points. An early one for us would be brilliant and quiet that lot.

  • 78 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    should read very different from our last game. Dohhh.

  • 79 Ciaran // Oct 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Sage

    I was indeed. Thought it was an excellent platform and I hope the Time 4 Change organisers can build upon this momentum that they have created. The fans behaved impeccably, glad to see Laurent Robert 32 posting pictures proving to doubters that it was not just a bunch of kids, ex season ticket holders or knackers drunkenly causing trouble.

  • 80 wolfshead@toon // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    geordie

    im gonna have my usual punt on someone getting sent off :-)

  • 81 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    That’s the spirit wolfshead mate. Hopefully it’s one of their nasty lot. Clattermole early in the first half would be perfect :)

  • 82 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Let me tell You How pessimistic, superstitious and Cautious I am.

    The Last Time NUFC lost at Stadium of Shite, In the match previous we had a 2-2 draw against Man City and we had Beye Sent off.

    Some one tell me I am Over complicating things.

  • 83 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Good to hear you went along, Ciaran.

  • 84 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    You’re over complicating things Himanshu mate. Only my superstitions count, not yours :)

  • 85 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Tiote

    making him captain when colo’s not there might be a stroke of genius on Pardews behalf.

    Might help him to keep his head and concentrate on the game and being in charge of the other ten on the field

  • 86 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    G2

    what are yours?

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    charlie

    tiote certainly played a better game…he had his bite back which he had lost last year, hopefully he can make a return to the player he was. With sissoko not doing much so far maybe it gives anita a chance…pardew now has a good few players so he can actually drop those not performing and actually have proven players to come in as well….its good to see.

    ciaran

    exactly my friend, there was a lot of people there, i don’t know why some put down the march just because they don’t agree with it…acknowledge it for what it was..a well planned and well behaved peaceful march against an owner than a lot of fans don’t like.

    I would be interesting for Ed here as well as people like the chronicle to do a poll on whether fans want ashley to stay or go.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    ciaran

    you getting to many game yet now your back over here? or not wanting to put money in for ashley?

  • 89 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    1. Never predict the score of a derby game Himanshu @86. 2. Always wait until just before the match to put your sweater on. 3.Only drink your tea with your right hand. 4. Dance round in a clockwise direction after all goals scored by us. 5. If absolutely necessary and we are trailing at any point put a curse on all mackems and their ancestors. 6. Drink several pints after the game no matter what the score.

  • 90 TorqToon // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Good evening gents!

    So nice to read constructive discussion on this blog. Unfortunately it’s been a rarity lately.

    Excellent point against liverfool yesterday and finally our big names are beginning to show their class. Cabaye seems to have settled, debs too. Can’t wait to see Remy, gouff and HBA fit click. It will be something special.

    Tough game next week. As we know, form and the league table go out the window on derby day. But momentum is a massive thing in football, and we have it. Time to make it count!

    Hope we are all well. :-)

  • 91 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    G2

    So Tea before or during the game but not after.

  • 92 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    Torq

    What is inevitable is you getting asked, Heard Anything?

  • 93 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Exactly Himanshu. All 6 points are crucial for our victory. Make no mistake about it. A left handed tea sip during the game could be disastrous mate. It happened to me just last season. I’ll never forgive myself :(

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    torq

    great to see you on here…been to long since i have. how are you keeping?

    and you’re right, very good point, more so with 10 men…proud of the lads yesterday, did everything we have been asking for.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    geordie two

    so it was your fault and not pardews last year…i knew it. haha

  • 96 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    G2

    Don’t beat yourself up. It Happened. Make sure You Tie your left hand behind your back this time. ;)

  • 97 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    If we play well and press them from kick off we will win comfortably we have better quality than they have ! Its as simple as that last season when we played them away from home we were on course for a 2 or 3 goal stroll till Tiote got himself sent off and even then it was a Demba Ba own goal that got them the points !

    We just need to run at them like a train from the start would keep the same team except the new centre back but if Taylor and Colo are only going to be half fit then young Dummett can come in would even consider dropping Sissoko for Anita but I think it wont happen

  • 98 scout // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Just wanted to credit the lads on yesterday’s performance. I’d written us off but we battled like hell. Brilliant stuff and the save from timmy at the death was superb.
    Going into the Sunderland game feeling confident although I think a red card in that game is a great bet such is the importance of the win.
    I moan on a lot about pardew and Ashley etc but look down the road it’s a disaster. 1 point

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Yes you’re all spot on there. I have to move on. I took the extra precaution of actually cutting my left hand off after that debacle Himanshu. No more slip ups there mate but I am worried that my curses aren’t strong enough. Transfer I take full responsibility but Pards in on his own this season.

  • 100 TorqToon // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Sage – I’m very well, sir. Thank you for asking. Yeah my time on here is limited just now as work is piling in (which is a good thing) but interfering severely on my social life! :-) How are you, my friend?

    Himanshu – Been away a while, but are you the artist formally known as ‘Indian Magpie’? Apologies if not, I just recognise the name and wasn’t sure if I read it on one of your articles? There is always stuff regarding our club mate. I just have to be careful what I post and don’t post, now. We aren’t sat on our bums watching everybody else prepare for January, however. I can say that much. Hope you are well.

  • 101 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    torq

    very good thank you

    and good to know you still hear things, appreciate you can’t post everything, was surprised you could say as much as you had done over the years.

  • 102 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    TorqToon can we talk semi-privately? Just you, me and the other bloggers on here? We need the skinny mate. Is Joe really a lovely lad? You can trust us completely. Shhhh everyone.

  • 103 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Torq

    Yes, an artist and and an artisan.

  • 104 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    You can write your reply in a very small font Torq mate. What really happened with Llambias to make him fall out of favour? Did Joe look better running naked? We need to know. I’ll understand if you answer in code Torq. I understand pig Latin mate. Again shhhh everyone.

  • 105 TorqToon // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Sage – Yes sir. I was maybe a little silly in how much I said. Although I did always post what I had heard from reliable people and got lucky that most of it was proven. Left myself open to criticism however so have learnt from my mistakes. :-)

    Geordie 2 – He isn’t as bad Of a person as some might perceive. Wouldn’t have been my choice (or many others for that matter) but I believe he was integral in the clauses regarding Loic Remy so that’s only a good thing. As I say, he wouldn’t be my choice, and should be kept as far away from the media as feasibly possibly, but he isn’t doing as bad a job behind the scenes as I expected him too.

  • 106 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Just teasing Torq I have seen your interesting posts many times but I do love to pull the other one with Mike and Joe.

  • 107 Belfast // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    I would actually take a point against the mackems.
    It certainly won’t be an easy game, certainly not as easy as some people are making out.

    This week will be the first time Poyet has really worked with them. due to the international break.

    Add the fact that he’s tactically out thought Pardew on a few occasions already. I’m not that confident lol

  • 108 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Thanks for that Torq @105. I do hope he pleasantly surprises us in January. Of course a lot depends on Ashley for that (and our position in the league table I would imagine).

  • 109 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    If we get an early goal and sunderland fold the atmosphere there will be every bit as poisonous as the 0-3 defeat. Might not be horses getting punched but I wouldn’t like to be Phil Bardsley when some nutter jumps onto the pitch to do him in

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    On a slightly separate topic I’ve been thinking about the movie The Burbs with Tom Hanks. Some very funny bits in there for those that haven’t seen it. Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) was in it as well.

  • 111 low fell mag // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    What a refreshing delight it is tonight to read good blogs from the likes of Bills son ,torq toon and the rest of the lads talking about football.
    This week , the old butterflies will be kicking in ,so it would be helpful if we can talk about the derby and put all that sh@te about Ashley @ marches to bed .
    JFA , Ciaran for one week out of 52 please give it a rest.
    Lets talk football not politics.

  • 112 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Does anybody fancy doing their hair up like Sammy for the derby? If we could get our 6,000 allotment all wearing the Sammy do at the match it could push us over the top.

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    low fell

    looking forward to the derby?

    i personally can’t wait, have a lot of mackem friends and can’t wait to get bragging rights back…fancy us to really spank them.

    our lads will be fired up after last year and if we start well we will crush what little spirit they will build this week and the fans will get on their back

    we could really root them to the bottom of the table with a heavy win

  • 114 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    That’s very well said low fell mag @111 and I will have some very important and serious things to say as well. It’s down to people with the right level of seriosity as I’ve mentioned before. My post @112 is an example of what I’m trying to achieve.

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Low full meg,
    I have barely posted for the last three weeks now, but every time I see a post from you, you seem to mention my username, do you talk about me to your turnips and leeks.

  • 116 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    As you all know I’ve been a leading advocate of seriosity on here. And politeness. A small amount of dry humour and a pinch of sarcasm is acceptable but mainly calm, quiet talk about football (and funny movies) and anything else anyone cares to bring up.

  • 117 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    And we will crush them until they are just a squishy, jammy, gooey mess Transfer Sage. Don’t forget that part.

  • 118 NobbyNolano // Oct 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    I hate derby week. But going into the derby with Cabaye and Tiote potentially back to their best leaves me excited!

    http://www.theyoungernolan.wordpress.com

  • 119 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    Does anyone else have the ad for the best cure for nail fungus at the bottom of their page on here? It’s horrible. It reminds me of watching Shola play football. Just gives me that queasy feeling.

  • 120 GeordieTwo // Oct 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Having exhausted all my serious comments for the day I will now pause and refresh. Please remain serious, deliberate and polite while I’m gone.

  • 121 low fell mag // Oct 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Transfer sage @ 113, I hate derbys, over the years people have said to me that they don’t want the crap down the road to be relegated as there wouldn’t be a derby .
    Myself I would like Sunderland to be relegated every year ,right down to .the conference league.
    The reasons are I cant sleep the night before the game , I shake as though ive got parkinsons on the morning of the match ,drink like an alchy in the pub before kick off, smoke the odd tab ( even though I stopped 6 years ago )
    So I hate derbys ,they should come with a government health warning ,as they are bad for your health !

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Oct 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    low fell

    i’m the total opposite…its like being a kid at christmas for me…cant wait for the game to kick off, love the build up and the tension, the banter between sets of fans.

    fell very nervous thoughout the game and gets the blood pumping…it what makes me love football.

  • 123 Brutooon // Oct 20, 2013 at 11:10 PM

    positives:

    1) AP now got the guts to dropped cisse – he didnt perform for the last one season and a half. good for him and the rest of the team

    2) Debuchy and Santon improved both defensively and attacking.

    3) we play simple short ground ball passes! one friend said we are playing like barca. totally different that last year LONG BALL Tactics




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