Sunderland Are Bottom Of The League For A Reason


Sunderland have lost all their four Premier League games this season at the Stadium of Light, and we have to hope that record continues on Sunday afternoon.

Alan Shearer - recent photo

Alan Shearer – they are bottom of the league for a reason

Alan Shearer played in quite a few Newcastle-Sunderland derbies, and after the pitiful display by Newcastle in April, when we allowed the Black Cats to beat us 3-0 at the Cathedral on the Hill, this is a huge opportunity to put things right.

This is what Alan told the Chronicle:

“The memories of the last game will still be bitter and raw, particularly with Pardew and his players.” “This is a great chance to go out and change all of that.” “You can’t really get rid of that memory until you go out and get a result and beat them.”

“What you have to be careful of is that you don’t kick-start their season.” “Let’s be honest – it got Paolo the job full-time when he beat us so convincingly at St James’ Park last season.” “That kick-started their season and probably kept them up.”

“You have to be careful that it doesn’t happen again.” “They are bottom of the Premier League for a reason.” “We have to make sure that they stay there.”

We’re not sure what Alan means about the result getting Paolo the job full-time because he signed a two and half year deal in late March to become the permanent Sunderland manager.

Newcastle are the better side on paper, but we were  in April too, and Sunderland had drawn four and lost seven of their previous 11 league games,  and who would have thought they would beat Newcastle on that day in April?

The answer is – not many.

So Newcastle have to go into this game as we did the last two games at Cardiff and against Liverpool, and play at the highest level we can – and get some revenge for that huge defeat last season.

If Newcastle play anywhere near their best form we should be able to win this game.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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80 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #1

    Ian

    I think it is over optimistic but all a bit of fun…let’s go for it

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  • Ian Toon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #2

    Ok- so long as it wasn’t a dream you had. Maybe I should pay a visit to the bookies.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #3

    Err…yes Alan…world class striker you were, NUFC legend you are, always right you are not…

    Yes, we should win this game but they will come out with fire in their belly. Alan is dead right, we need to make sure that we don’t allow them to kick start their season by beating us!

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  • Ian Toon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #4

    My boyhood hero does talk a lot of tosh.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #5

    TDS

    Did you see shearer on the tv show “a league of their own” he was very funny and witty, complete opposite to match of the day. Atrange how he’s so dull on motd.

    Ian

    No dream and it could easily be a 1-0 but I’ll keep some belief.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #6

    Maybe they will come out with to much fire in their belly and get some one sent off.

    The TOON have got to play their game and not get sucked into the fire and hopefully class will show through

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #7

    TS

    No I didn’t. I’ll have to try and find that on catch up! Maybe he had a few drinks first? 🙂

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  • Transfer Sage

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #8

    TDS

    Maybe, or maybe sitting next to Hanson and lawrenson kills anyone’s personality. Possibly the type of show too…but shearer is terrible on motd as much as I love him.

    Charlie

    I think we just need to get at them, don’t give them time on the ball to get into their game and try to keep the ball to frustrate them and their rabble.

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  • Spoof

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #9

    Sage

    I hope your prediction is right, I have Remy in my fantasy football team, those four goals would be most welcome lol

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  • Slank

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #10

    One of the reasons they have done so badly is that they bought a busload of players many of whom had no experience of the Premiership and/or living in the UK.

    Individually it can take time to acclimatize to a new club, league and country but players already at a club will often ease the transition but not in Sunderland’s case where many of the old hands were shipped out and a lot rookies brought in who were probably suffering the same acclimatization.

    Even a better manager than the mad Italian would have been hard pressed to mold all the newbies into a coherent team.

    I don’t go along with those who think we will walk it. I think this will be a hard game. A draw looks likely.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #11

    TS

    I can’t stand Shearer on MotD either but I hate Lawro even more! Hansen is good but I have to say that the best football pundit is…Gary Neville…I didn’t think much of his appointment for Sky when it was announced as we all remember what he was like as a player, but he’s absolutely brilliant. He’s so passionate and his insight into the game is fascinating. All too often Shearer and Lawro just drawl on about the same old boring rubbish that you and I could spot. Gary Neville is on a different level.

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #12

    Sunderland played well against Liverpool and Manchester united.

    I will take a win! I am willing to sacrifice few nails for it.

    half nil will do it 😉

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Oct 23, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #13

    Transfer
    Play like we did last week as we did against Pool – keep it tight, pass the ball on the deck make them chase around and if they are running on Adrenelin they will tire quicker. Catch them on the counter attack as we have players that will out pace their defence, BUT keep our heads we should be to much for them.

    I would start the same team as last week with Dummett in for Mbiwa as I have reservations about Taylor coming in. He could be the very player to loose the plot

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #14

    I’m not particularly expecting a win. To be honest anything could happen. It’s at the Stadium a’ Shite and they still have more than a few handy players and fuggen heaps to play for, perhaps not the least that if they get beat, they’ve gotta be sunk. One point from nine games! There’s no coming back from that in this league, surely.

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  • lesh

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Comment #15

    Sunderland are bottom because they’ve got an owner who’s in the same league as Ashley and Tan at Cardiff – they know nothing about the business of the business of professional football and as a result make some bizarre appointments and decisions.

    It’d be interesting and good to see a jointly supported demonstration calling for changes in their respective owners’ approach to the management of their clubs.

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  • lesh

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #16

    Sage @ 8 – perhaps their [Sunderland’s] rabble are as frustrated as our fans who aren’t exactly in a position to crow about our situation?

    Just a thought.

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  • Graeme

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #17

    scum took their only point in an away draw, they haven’t gained a single point at their place. As long as that is still the same on Sunday evening, all will be wonderfully well.

    All I want is the 3 points, for NUFC; what happens to them as a consequence of us winning is of no concern whatsoever lol. They deserve all they get.

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  • G

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #18

    This whole thread and debate could have been shortened by just stating (the obvious?) in that ‘Sunderland are bottom of the league because they are not very good’

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #19

    I wonder why..

    But I’ll agree with your previous article Ed. Yes, the double penalty ruins the game and is especially cruel when the foul is debatable. But if it’s removed, say some, then players would take a yellow and save a certain goal, right? There is of course a solution: if a foul is committed by the last defender outside of the box, then a red card is given, as the free kick may well not be scored. If a penalty is given, which is very likely to be scored, then a yellow card is given.

    You want more controversial changes? The penalty spot should be moved back, to the edge of the box. Players these days are monsters compared to the past (those of you who’ve played in goal know what I mean!), they’d still score but the odds would at least become more ‘fair’.

    But we need more goals, you say: Goalies themselves these days are 6.5′ monsters. Check out old football clips to see how tiny goalkeepers looked. Like has happened metaphorically in life, the goal posts need to be ‘shifted’. From 7.32′ to a round 8′, and from 2.44′ to 2.75′ (metres)

    And, forget goal line technology, an expensive waste. Introduce video technology, which has been around in the USA for decades. Each side is entitled to 2 challenges per game. The ref watches a replay, if what he sees is ‘inconclusive’ the original call stands, alternatively, he can reverse his call. The delay in the game (30 seconds max to decide) would be minimal, a total of 2 minutes if all four challenges are made. Players roll around on the turf feigning injury for longer periods.

    Opinions? Michelle, what do you think?

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Comment #20

    i cant believe we can lose the team are in a different place fewer key players out injured no european distractions and a striker in form a fit confident squad makes a big difference we look like the team that finished 5th even with a lemon of a manager as the haters would have us believe haha

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  • G

    Oct 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #21

    @Cyprus, post 19 sounds like the changes the USA wanted to introduce for Atlanta 94, bigger goals, different penalties etc. Next they will suggest we change from halves, to quarters thereby introducing more revenue via tv advertising. What then happens is a game which lasts a couple of hours, with only 9-11 minutes of actual sport happening in it.

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #22

    G,
    don’t panic and read carefully

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #23

    Regarding penalties and red cards, both incidents result in a delay of at least 30secs before play is restarted. Plenty of time for another referee to review the video footage and overrule an obviously wrong decision.

    To avoid the double punishment issue, they could consider copying rugby and giving away “penalty goals” without requiring the penalty kick when the defender is also the last man. That would give extra punishment for the defender without ruining the game. Combine that with the video review I mentioned above and it would work well.

    But…I can’t see such a big change being adopted when they take years to put goal line technology in…

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #24

    Cyprus

    Bigger goals? I’m with G, are you American?

    We don’t want to see scorelines of 8-6 as a regular occurrence, the beauty of football is sometimes a hard fought 0-0 or 1-0 can be a very good game to watch and the odd 4-3 becomes a rare thriller. Bigger goals would just diminish the skill required.

    I’m not sure why you point out that goal scorers have improved and goalkeepers have improved yet assume they haven’t just balanced each other out?

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  • nut meg

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #25

    Cyprus @19
    hee hee, naughty boy….nobody spotted it yet…ha ha

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Comment #26

    TDS,
    Not American 🙂 Why do you assume that. Glad you agree on video. Not sure we’d get 8-6 scores with a foot wider on each side. The shots which are now hitting the posts would go in. Is that so many? Do you agree that a pen should not be so close to a dead cert and a matter of choking?

    Remember the game has changed in many ways already…

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #27

    Cyrpus…Some of those suggestions just seem to be for the sake of change. I’m not really sure what they would really improve?

    For me, the current issue about it being a double punishment is a little silly. The team who commits the foul shouldn’t be entitled to a “fair” chance. They’re the team that has in theory stopped the other from their “fair” chance.

    Why make it a yellow card for fouls in the box? Surely it will just encourage more defenders to take the risk when in the box?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #28

    May have overused “really” a bit there.

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  • martoon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #29

    I also think it spoils the game when a player gives away a penalty and also gets a red card. However while I can see the logic I don’t think it would be accepted to get a red card outside the box but a yellow inside. I think TDS’s idea of penalty goals would be fairer or indeed you could simply award a penalty for a foul outside box if committed by the last man. I’m sure most teams would prefer to give away a penalty rather than lose a man.

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #30

    Ibizatoon,
    On your last point; yellow card AND a pen when in the box. Not too many defenders fancy that, surely. It’s punishment enough. Most likely, the offending team concedes a goal and then has a fighting chance… How many times has a game been ruined by that call, and sometimes erroneously?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Comment #31

    Cyprus

    It was a rhetorical question regarding being American. They seem to be obsessed with high scoring games with regular excitement rather than the build-up of the more British sports.

    If the goals were a foot wider on either side then there would be loads more goals! Free kicks would be much easier to score, players would shoot from distance a lot more and the goalkeeper would know that regardless of his positioning, a good shot will be a goal. Look at the stats and then tell us that there are fewer goals per game than there used to be.

    Sometimes a penalty seems harsh (e.g. when a player is facing away from goal and there are lots of players in the box) but sometimes it seems like it’s not enough (e.g. handball on the line)

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #32

    Remember, traditionalists and flag wavers, the double penalty rule is relatively new and not engraved in stone.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Comment #33

    Cyrpus…But how is it? They still make the silly challenges now when the punishment is a penalty AND a red card? I just don’t see why the rule needs to changing to make it fairer for the team who have committed the foul in the first place and denied the other team their goal scoring opportunity?

    It just strikes me as a really odd rule to want to change. They mess up, they pay.

    If people want to talk about competitiveness and sportsmanship etc, then surely the rules should encourage defenders not to take a man down as he’s the last defender?

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Comment #34

    Ibizatoon,
    Do see your point, disagree 🙂 It’s not necessary to crucify the offending team, just punish it.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Comment #35

    Cyrpus…Fair enough, there is a reason why these issues are subject to debate and not just a given…we all have different ways of looking at it!

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Comment #36

    The only time it’s a real problem is when the decision is wrong. On Saturday it wasn’t wrong, it was the right decision by the rules. But imagine if Suarez had dived? There should be an instant review to overturn bad decisions like that.

    You change the rules and you encourage a defender to hack down the last man in the box in certain situations. Maybe the risk of letting the attacker go one-on-one with the keeper is higher than the risk of the penalty being given AND scored. What if it’s the keeper who takes out the attacker? What if the attacker is already past the keeper and has an open goal?

    Rules are never going to be fair for everyone. I wish that Ghana were given a penalty goal (rather than a penalty) when Suarez handled the ball on the line. That wasn’t fair.

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #37

    Some rules have been and still are silly, new or old. It’s ok to change and improve them. Some new ones are silly.

    e.g. the size of the goal was pretty arbitrary (10 feet ok lads?) and there was NO crossbar
    e.g. the first Chelsea goal (goalie bouncing ball, Etoo steals it) should apparently have been cancelled.
    e.g. (new) that extra ref next to the posts. Funny huh. How much does he get paid for standing around

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Oct 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #38

    – size of goal seems to be a good battle between attacker and goalkeeper. A few years ago they were saying it was unfair on the goalkeeper because so many free kicks were being scored, now you want to make it even tougher for them?!
    – the first Chelsea goal should have been ruled out. Seems like the rule is correct there, there’s no reason to allow a player to steal the bouncing ball from the goalie.
    – who cares what the extra ref is paid? You’d whinge a lot more if the other refs missed a ball crossing the line or a blatant pen.

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  • cyprus

    Oct 23, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Comment #39

    TDS,
    Sorry your last point got me interested 🙂
    A PL ref earns in a year about what Rooney earns in two-three days. So, I’ll begrudge them an easy afternoon 😉

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Oct 23, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #40

    zzzzzzzzzzzz

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