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Newcastle Striker Could Learn Lesson From Demba Ba

12:23 pm, Thursday, October 24th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 56 Comments

Newcastle would simply love to sign on-loan striker Loic Remy in January on a permanent basis,  and the Newcastle striker has scored five goals in his first six games for the Magpies, and fitted so well into Newcastle’s line-up.

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Loic Remy – take a lesson from Demba Ba

But the irony of all this is that the better Loic does in Newcastle’s colors, the less chance that he will sign for us in January, and the more chance he will hold out for a bigger club, and could even hold out until after the World Cup in Brazil next summer.

Alan Pardew and the Newcastle club have handled the striker quite brilliantly both on and off the field since he arrived in August,  and as the Newcastle manager says, there’s a chance he will sign for us permanently simply because he has been treated so well on Tyneside.

The other positive in all of this is that Loic did the dirty on us in January, and maybe he will not hold out this time, and hopefully he will sign for Newcastle in January, and if he does that he will become more of a darling with Newcastle fans than he already is.

Of course there is uncertainty about Loic’s future until he goes on trial for a pending rape charge, and that will happen late next month.

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Demba Ba – while at Newcastle

And an example Loic could look to is that of Demba Ba, who had a fantastic eighteen months at Newcastle when he scored 29 goals in just 58 appearances before leaving us for Chelsea for £7M in early January.

The Senegal striker’s career has gone into limbo, and he finds it difficult even to get on the bench these days at the London side.

A move to a bigger club isn’t always the best move for your career.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Demba Ba · Loan Moves · Loic Remy · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours



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56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Not sure Ed, that’s a pretty poor scoring record for Ba :)

    Appreciate why you keeping writing about Remy, but it’s simply too early to think about where he will end up for both him and the club, never mind us fans.

    In other news…

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/8988384/premier-league-gus-poyet-wants-best-sunderland-team-ahead-of-newcastle-clash

    Good luck finding your “best team” Gus. I have faith in ya!

  • 2 Graeme // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    So Demba Ba made 458 appearances for us did he – There may be a typo there Ed!!

    Would be nice to see Remy signed up for us on a permanent basis, but, given the circumstances, his previous and the man responsible for making it happen – I wouldn’t hold my breath!!!

  • 3 low fell mag // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Its not only Demba , but there is a host of players who leave Newcastle ,only to find the grass is not always greener on the other side.

  • 4 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Ed -there you go again with some duff info/not understanding the English Judicial system – ref AGAIN stating there is to be a trial for Remy.
    At the present time Remy is on extended police bail to return to a London cop shop where the following could occur:-
    1. Released – no further action.
    2. Charged with an offence arising from the allegations.
    So at the present time it is wrong to suggest there is going to be a trial – it may indeed occur but at the present time nobody knows.
    I’ve posted about this on several occasions and still the same erroneous information is being written.

  • 5 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Tuff…Do you know when a decision is to be made?

  • 6 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    The FA ?@FA 16m

    GOAL!! @NUFCOfficial’s Adam Armstrong claims #EnglandU17s’ second goal of the afternoon as they go 2-0 up against Armenia

  • 7 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Tuff…In case you think I’m simply being lazy, this is what I came up with from a Google search

    http://www.wickedlocal.com/waltham/news/x511623253/Remy-s-next-Waltham-court-date-postponed

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Ibiza

    Remy had his bail extended to some point in November. Can’t remember exact date.

    And on Ba

    Ba was a more rounder striker than cisse and as a result could play in whatever system we used and could also link up play better. Would love him back but can’t see it.

  • 9 NUFCarter // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Hulls goalkeeper Alan Mcgregor has been ruled out for up to 6 weeks. Thats great news if it means Harper gets his chance to play prem football for them and they have Sunderland after us! Love to see him play again.

  • 10 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Found this

    “A Met Police spokesman told ITV News: “I can confirm today that three men who were arrested on the morning of Wednesday 15th May, aged 26, 23 and 22 on suspicion of rape have now been rebailed to appear on 21st November 2013.”

    TS…What concerns me is what went on behind the scenes with Ba. All that agent stuff etc and how unsettling it may have been in the dressing room. No doubting his ability, his character though could be problematical, however, it could just be club spin.

    Who knows?

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Ibiza

    You never know. It might upset the players but at the end of the day it’s a work place for them so they maybe understand somebody tryin to get as much as possible.

    Suppose this happens often so must be used to it

  • 12 NewcastleMole // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Sorry but people just seem to remember the good Ba did for us.
    What about the end of his time with us, where he was petulant. Didn’t take being substituted off in games very well. He somehow became the player which demanded to take all our free kicks.
    For me he thought he could do better but learned better comes at a price.

    Sort of like a girlfriend who you’d do anything for but leaves you for some one she thinks is better only to be treated very poorly by him. Then wants to return. Sorry love but it’s your mistake not mine deal with it.

  • 13 G // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    @12 Intresting analogy mate. Never really thought of Ba as the ‘Ex’, but there you have it. I suppose as well you could include the general rule of thumb with Ex’s is that something that has failed once, is doomed to fail again.

  • 14 isleofmanman // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    I pointed out a few months ago that an immediate purchase was too high risk (court case) but that the loan deal must incorporate an option to purchase and preferably at a fixed price

    In the event we got to pay his QPR wages + a loan fee but no option to purchase

    Probably JK has never heard of an option agreement

  • 15 lesh // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    isleofmanman @ 14

    Be fair on Kinnear after all and despite his deep and wide-ranging knowledge of the game, he can’t know everything.

    However, it seems that what he does know may be irrelevant to the needs of Newcastle United.

    He’s a waste of time and space who probably doesn’t know what day it is and we expect him to negotiate well and secure good deals for us? He’d fit in well at Sunderland!

  • 16 wolfshead@toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    i think demba got sick of his nose being pushed out to accommodate cisse as recompense he wanted a pay rise or he was off tbh most ppl would

  • 17 wolfshead@toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    lesh

    thats a bit harsh on uncle joe didnt you know hes got his hands full down under overseeing the operation to put out the bush fires :-)

  • 18 Ian Toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I made a mental note to raise your comment below with you and then forgot about it until now. I actually agree with you , he’s a jack of all trades and not anything special at pretty much everything a midfielder requires in his armoury. There is a role for him within the changing squad needs over the course of the season with changing circumstances.

    However, what I really wanted to address was Ferguson’s eulogising over Paul Scholes in his book.- I was reading Jim White’s piece in the Telegraph.
    1) Was he the stand out player of his generation?
    2) Was he the complete midfielder?
    3) Should he have been selected over Gerrard and. Lampard for England ? (Fergie suggests England should just have chosen one of them to play alongside Scholes)

    I am not around but would welcome your thoughts when you have the time.

    Transfer Sage // Oct 18, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    laurent

    personally i dont rate anita that highly, he doesn’t defend any better than average midfielder, his attacking isn’t great, he doesn’t spray 50 yard passes, doesn’t play many killer passes/create chances and he also struggles to run at people…i don’t see what he really does.

    I think people do really like him as he does the basics well, but thats what the likes of cabaye and tiote should be doing as well as defending and attacking the way they do. He needs to add more to his game.

    I do agree though that we keep the ball on the floor but still play as individuals not a team, which is our main problem.

  • 19 Yohan Kebab // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    GOAL! #EnglandU17s 4-0 Armenia. Adam Armstrong grabs his second of the match in injury-time.

  • 20 martoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    To be fair to Kinnear (although I still think he’s an idiot) the technicalities of contract clauses etc. is probably handled by Lee Charnley and a legal team.
    Wolf I didn’t know what you were going to say when you started ‘he’s got his hands full down under’ :)

  • 21 Yohan Kebab // Oct 24, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    gerrard and lampard won matches, scholes won man utd championships, best english player of his generation imo, theres a reason greats all over the world admired him so much

    although i think lampard has been better for chelsea than gerrard for liverpool, gerrard always seems to turn up in internationals, i would have played him alongside scholes,

  • 22 jimmysmith // Oct 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Yes, they had 3 great players and ended up messing about themselves because of an inability to make a hard decision and stick with it.

    A midfield 3 of Hargreaves, Gerrard and Scholes would have been splendid, if Hargreaves could have stayed fit.

    I would have sacrificed Lamps and not just with the benefit of hindsight.

  • 23 wolfshead@toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    martoon

    thats what i realised after i published it too late to pull out though – mrs haha

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Oct 24, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Newcastle mole

    Ba may have been unhappy to be subbed and seemed a bit stroppy but he rightly wanted to play through the middle as a central striker, and when asked he did spend a good 3/4 months playing down the left for us.

    Even towards the end he have his all when selected, he never went back home or went on strike, got on with his job of scoring goals for us.

    Ian

    I like scholes, players like xavi and iniesta really respect him which shows what a talent. The list of top players worldwide who rave about him is impressive.

    He was always shoved to the left for England when I think a good manager would have based his team around him and shearer as they were the two top of they field at the time.

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Oct 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Where is marvoux by the way?

    Injured or just not selected as I haven’t seen him on the bench either

  • 26 Ancientcoptic // Oct 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Remy did not do the ”dirty on us” in January, I am certain he would have signed if we would have matched QPR’s offer – maybe even played for slightly less than the QPR offer… I do not blame him one iota.

    I still remember when Ba came back from the AFCON and was our worst player for a whole half a season, probably some of the worst performances I have ever seen in a black & white shirt. We ended up sacrificing Cisse’s explosive form the next season by dumping him on the wing and asking him to track back, all so that Ba could get his goal tally up, which of course he needed to get his dream move away from Newcastle. What a joke.

    Remy is a much better player than Ba. Ba is essentially a Shola Ameobi that can get more of his attempts on target. Remy is a champagne player in comparison to the leggy, lazy and unorthodox Ba.

    When I watch Remy scoring goals for us, I get the impression he is with us – that cunning smile Ba used to have written across his face never convinced me of anything other than his temporary intentions and lack of loyalty.

  • 27 wolfshead@toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    ba lazy hahahhaha i was going along with you until then egyptian christian lol

  • 28 lesh // Oct 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    wolfshead@toon @17

    You quite correctly remind us of the excellent work that Mr Kinnear’s doing for and throughout the world. I admit to overlooking that and admit to appearing over-critical.

    However, it would be correct to say that at the time hr negotiated Remy’s loan, the Aussie bush fires hadn’t started. But, he was wrestling with the ongoing problems on the middle east and like Obama, he must delegate some project responsibilities and that’s where risks of failure or error can become real. So, if Remy’s loan turns out to be just that, then someone must and will suffer the consequenses for any failure.

    We must bear in mind that Kinnear’s brokered dialogue with Iran to bring it in from the cold, the Syrian factions and is facilitating a Vatican – Church of England cricket match. Is there no end to his vision?

    As far as his work with Newcastle United is concerned I and others must remember his other activities and that working with us affords him some relaxation, enjoying making a complete bollox of whatever he says or gets involved in!

  • 29 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Ibiza – apologies could not respond as was away for a short period. As has already been stated the new bail date for Remy is on 21st November 2013. I would anticipate that the other two blokes who were arrested as well will also be responding on the same date.
    I think we’ll all have to wait until this date to find out what happens -then we’ll hear what the CPS have decided. You will be aware that rape allegations are usually very difficult to prove however it appears that we have three men involved. It would be quite interesting as to whether the three blokes can all say the same thing -thus having all their accounts the same. Regardless of what happens still a bit dodgy three blokes involved or put it another way – someone having the action observed by the other two – if indeed that was the case. Interesting if any shenanigans did take place whether the proceedings were photographed -with mobile phones.
    Some folk were posting earlier on that the club would have solicitors checking what was going to happen – all a load of complete and utter bollox. We’re just going to have to wait and see what happens when he responds to his bail.

  • 30 toonincheek // Oct 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Is there a Premier League award for
    Director of Football of the Mouth ?

    Joke in ‘Ere would win it hand down !

  • 31 wolfshead@toon // Oct 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    lesh

    pmsl :-)

  • 32 Jonny // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Really think that Adam Armstrong could be a star. Seems very similar to Rooney, don’t see why he is not floating about the first team squad if Ameobi can.

  • 33 John Tudor // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    that is one huge gob

  • 34 Yohan Kebab // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    jonny

    we said this about adam capbell too, lets not build them up too much too soon

  • 35 BandB // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Mr Tuff,

    I wonder how this “the club’s solicitors will be checking it out” suggestion works?

    NUFC…”Hello Crown Prosecution Service, we are the club’s solictors. We would like to sign this Remy lad, but we’re a bit worried about this rape malarkey. Tip us the wink, will ya? We know this is a highly sensitive issue of criminal law and that, but Mike has a business to run.”
    CPS “Oh, nowt’s the bother, man. We won’t be bringing charges, so go ahead and sign him. But don’t tell HIM that, because we haven’t told the alleged victim yet.”
    MIKE “Come in, Loic lad. I have a bit of good news for you!”

    Honestly!

  • 36 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    Tuff…Thank you good sir, comprehensive as always.

    Time will tell I suppose.

  • 37 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    BandB – indeed -I cannot remember who posted it but they were convinced that prior to the Remy negotiations that NUFC would have the inside info – thus allowing an informed decision to be made about Remy. All a complete load of rubbish – will be interesting to see what develops -I recall there were stories,when this first broke, about date rape drugs. So I think perhaps a lot of work to get all this to a conclusion.
    Have you had any contact will Buffalo Bill?

  • 38 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    error in previous post -last sentence will =with.

  • 39 BandB // Oct 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Mr Tuff,

    Several people have posted something similar.
    What do they think will happen?
    “Sure, have a lend of the confidential case files. Get your legal bods to have a butcher’s through them and make an assessment. Can’t see what harm that would do. Can we have them back though?”

    As to the other matter you mention, I am keeping my mouth very firmly shut.

  • 40 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    It looks as if we’re going to find out how consistent Willo can be if the word of an 8 week absence is correct for Colo. I think we have to bring Saylor back into the lineup and find out if he can recover his form. Dummett may be needed at left back if Santon gets injured or he can fill in if Willo loses form. Mbiwa would be my third choice CB right now but can also cover a full back position. After the Sunderland game I would try to bring Mbiwa in with Saylor with Willo on the bench again. Willo can be decent if covered well but if gaps develop he has no pace or ability on the ground if being marked closely.

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    BandB – I assume by your answer – that you had seen my quality gag -well I thought it was funny anyway.
    What’s your shout for the weekend.
    My predictions of late have been poor -but if we play anything like we did on Saturday we should have 3 points in the bag.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Oct 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Tuff

    Well put on remy. Have to wait for police to gather more evidence and see what cps decide on. With it being extender they must have something to go on but whether they can get enough for a realistic chance of prosecution is a big step.

    With pardew saying signing remy is complicated and kinnear mentioning about a clause for a permanent deal a few weeks back then maybe we might have some clause saying we can sign him for a set fee if no charge is made. Not sure if that would happen or if QPR would agree to it.

  • 43 bishopblaize // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Would be good if that would be a mind changer for him BUT money gonna him where suits him best that’s a fact!

    Plus he’s a dfferent class act compared to Ba & Carrol that where motivated by fans.

    Maybe our credit to him along with a strong defense assisting him every game will be the turning point.

    I pray that we have stability on pitch NOW and with the staff!!

    HWTL

  • 44 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Vertonghen already for Spurs. 1-0 early on. They’ve built a fine side.

  • 45 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Transfer – I must say when I read about Percy saying that things were complicated I immediately thought about the allegations. The CPS would expect a 51% of success if they go ahead. When several people are involved – it could equate to one identical story quoted by three or three different stories. I would guess they probably have more information to examine -unless they have all done a “no comment” interview -always a dangerous choice in rape cases. I would think that if there is any DNA evidence -it would not have been available when they were first arrested – the cops may want to question them further. The usual get out clause is to say it was consentual – however if they denied things and DNA is recovered they will look a bit daft now. So many variables in these types of cases we’re just going to have to wait and see.

  • 46 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    CSI: NUFCBLOG Edition

    Inspector Tuff enters…

  • 47 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    That Chiriches for Spurs looks a decent player.

  • 48 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Mister Tuff are you going to take that from Ibiza? He is impuning you as a well recognized crime fighter. I also am a crime fighter although less well recognized (I wear a disguise). The people on here should be thankful that we are on the case. Your mate aka Mr. Tufties.

  • 49 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Ibiza – @46 – you made me consider that there are (in reality) too many non football events/distractions happening at the Toon. Bad state of affairs really -would be much better just talking about football itself. As I’m typing this -just watching the local BBC news – Look North -there is a piece telling us that the idiot who punched the police horse has just received 12 months bird/down the pan. Bad PR for Newcastle.

  • 50 Mister Tuff // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Geordie Two -indeed people should be appreciative of our efforts That cheeky Ibiza was being a bit naughty. Whilst some detectives wear disguises so as not to be recognised -Ibiza I understand also wears a “disguise” when at work – but I don’t think recognition is the reason. Image of Ibiza at work:-
    http://www.spoonfed.co.uk/system/images/182138/default/gimp4.jpg

  • 51 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    G2 wanders in and instantly tries to cause a divide amongst the residents of the crime fighting blog.

    Throwing around accusations about the innocent narrator and flashing his lashes at the well respected chief inspector Tuff.

    He claims to be an undercover crime fighter by the name of Mr. Tufties…the NUFCBLOG crime team is far from convinced.

    Tuff…Yeah, it keeps us off the streets mind! It’s hard to maintain sensible discussion about the toon. Far too many ifs and buts and pretty much always has to end with a let’s wait and see.

    No doubt come Sunday afternoon there will be plenty to discuss…hopefully of a positive nature.

  • 52 Ibizatoon // Oct 24, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Tuff…Thanks pal. I sent that to you in confidence. You told me I looked butch. Now I’m just not sure.

  • 53 lesh // Oct 24, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    GeordieTwo

    Spurs have have a good, forward thinking chairman who with a good maager and DoF have built a fine side.

    Spurs have also spent some money raised by Baines’ sale and commercial activities that extend beyond the likes of Wonga.

  • 54 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Ibiza having looked at that link from Mr. Tuff I am very impressed with your work outfit. I have always been a strong supporter of casual wear at the office. I myself prefer to be a bit more lightly dressed than that. The mask looks very hot and bothersome. I prefer something more along the lines of the old Lone Ranger mask, some Turkish nipple armour and a brightly coloured thong.

  • 55 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Spot on lesh @53. They know how to build. The Bale money was ridiculous but fair play to them for getting it.

  • 56 GeordieTwo // Oct 24, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    PS I also like to carry a walking stick and wear a trilby. Tassels are optional with nipple armour but can add another nice touch. Your partner in crime aka Mr. Tufties, aka Thongman.




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