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Alan Pardew Asks For Fans’ Support On Wednesday

1:37 pm, Monday, October 28th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 412 Comments

It was extremely painful for Newcastle fans to have to put up with a second successive defeat by Sunderland yesterday, and the Black Cats had only one point from their first eight league games, but once again won the game against their local rivals, this time by two goals to one.

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Alan Pardew – asks for support on Wednesday

We had mentioned how similar yesterday’s game was to the one in April – Sunderland hadn’t won then for 11 games, and hadn’t won yesterday for eight games, and in each case Sunderland had a new manager and it was their first local derby game.

And the outcome yesterday was the same, when a heavily favored Newcastle side let their fans down, and simply didn’t fight hard enough for the victory – whatever Alan Pardew said after the game.

But that’s behind us now, and next up are Manchester City on Wednesday night in the Capital One Cup – that should be easy. :(

This is what the Newcastle manager said today in the local papers:

“I think we’ve got a group that’s experienced and I thought last time round, it’s different to this.”  “We’ve got a better group and I think we’ll bounce back.”

“But we’ve got two tough games and we’ve got to make sure we’re solid because these are two or three games that are going to test us.”

“I hope the fans will be supportive of us on Wednesday because it’s an important game for us, and we want to try and get through in the League Cup if we can and set us up nicely for Saturday,”

“We’re very disappointed as you’d imagine. When you concede a goal in the 84th minute after you’ve bossed the game it’s tough to take.”  “When we got the equalizer, the more the game went on, the more control we got.”

“If we’d got the second goal, the game would have been over.”

We’re not sure how we have a better group now than we did in April,  since the only new player in the ranks is Loic Remy who is on loan for the season, but maybe Alan’s talking about the French players we got in January,  now having more experience playing in England.

A win would be a welcome result on Wednesday, but somehow Manchester City always seem to get the better of us, one way or another.

We hope we can do well and get to the quarterfinals of the Capital One Cup, and that could help raise the spirits of the Geordie fans.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Capital One Cup · Coaching · Newcastle News · Premier League

412 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    As usuall, I’m sure we will all support the team. I can’t see too many extending the same courtesey to AP though?

  • 2 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    be gone AP

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    we always support the team no matter what happens.

  • 4 belgrade fan // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I wonder what he will say when we lose vs City. And than vs Chelski and Tham. What will be excuse than

  • 5 bishopblaize // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Always behind the team ..I sincerley hope the players minds were on this Cup tie more than the Derby after yesterdays apolling result


  • 6 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Pardew says he wants a cup run, the heirachy want mid-table mediocrity, stability, a self-sustaining football club.

    It will be interesting to see who gets what they want!!! My money isnt going on Pardew in this instance.

  • 7 sirjasontoon // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Beat it Pardew you Twat!

  • 8 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    ‘ if we had got the 2nd goal the game would have been over’ you dont say alan. is pards trying to wind everybody up? as for szupporting the team ? we always do – its pards we dont support.

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:51 PM


    well pardew picks the team i guess so he can put out a strong side if he wishes, which could help the cup run.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM


    I hate his comments like that…we didn’t control the game. We had a little more of the ball but neither sunderland or us did anything with that ball in the final third until their goal.

  • 11 martoon // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    I don’t know about the rest of you but the more I think about it I am finding this ban on the Journal & Chronicle reporters very strange indeed. All they did was report on the time4change protest with a few quotes from the leaders – quite normal journalism in my opinion and in fact if anthing they underestimated the amount of people who took part by all accounts.
    Journalists like Lee Ryder are normally pretty supportive of NUFC and are often criticised for very rarely speaking out against them. This makes this ban even stranger as NUFC are encouraging a mouthpiece that normally is in favour of the establishment to turn against them – I really think this is the first nail in their coffin as the local press have the power to whip up a storm against them.

  • 12 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    can someone explain to me how he spoke to the local papers today ???? i thought they were banned !

  • 13 belgrade fan // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Here in Serbia papers report about Newcastle (dont say MA) banned journalists yesterday. This is how is one club loosing credibility and becoming hated. Imagine when people around the world read – NUFC banned journalists. MA is creating very bad picture about us.
    And what do you people think, if we lose next 3 games is AP finished? or Norwich game will save him?

  • 14 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    “If we scored the second goal the game would have been over…”

    Here’s an “if” for you Alan.

    “If” we had a decent owner, you wouldn’t be the manager, Joe Kinnear wouldn’t be Director of Football, we’d have signed the players we needed in the summer, as well as keep the players we have here happy and motivated by feeling we are striving towards something, and we would have spanked the Mackems in their own back yard and consign them to a relegation scrap that they would have unlikely recovered from….

    There’s your “if” Alan.

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM


    from what i read yesterday they were only banned from asking questions, not being there to take down other questions/responses.

  • 16 OhSholaAmeobi // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    howay man people were chanting ‘alan pardew’s black and white army’ against liverpool and now you want him out?
    it wasn’t an awful performance, sunderland were a lot better than they have been, they closed us down well and they needed to win.
    genuinely don’t feel as bad about the result as i did about the one in april, it was tight, it could’ve gone either way and a draw would’ve been fair.
    blame pardew for his inability to counter their pressing game and for the lack of cutting edge upfront, and blame the likes of ben arfa and santon for being poor yet again.

  • 17 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    12jesperfuglsang – captain of the lemon crew // Oct 27, 2013 at 6:46 AM

    Morning lads!

    Have to agree with the sentiment that Remy is all about the money – he always has been!

    It is his provocative!

    Jesper- In idiom mode of old! You mean prerogative. Just been reading back posts of interest.

    You absolutely right that HBA is no worse than many others- the crying shame though is that he is capable of so much more- think he needs tough love because he needs to tone up. He is overweight.

  • 18 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:07 PM


    it’s not a one off game though, for the past 18 months we have really struggled to offer a consistent threat up front or to defend well as a team…the team look like a group of lost individuals more often than not.

    Thats people’s problem with Pardew.

    Every week Pardew gets criticism and people say they are over reacting to one game, well maybe sometimes thats the case but when this is the argument every week between fans then surely he is making the mistakes every week.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    I don’t get the criticism aimed at Pardew for making a comment about the ref. I didn’t get to see the replay of the foul given against Tiote before the goal but I remember I didn’t think it was a foul at the time and I remember being surprised when it was a free-kick rather than a throw in.

    So considering that we were definitely dominant in the 2nd half, being disappointed at a decision by the ref that led to the winner is fair isn’t it? Wouldn’t you have expected Poyet to say the same if it was reversed?

    Some people just take any excuse to criticise the manager or owner.

  • 20 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    It was an away game. They have no power to exclude them from the press room at away games. They can just refuse to take questions from them.
    At SJP they can revoke their passes to the ground. That will include cameras.

  • 21 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM


  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Ian…I am not British 😀

  • 23 Black and White with an army lol // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    at the end of the day as long as we Pardew at the helm of Newcastle we will never improve and become a good and exciting team we where once, i respect Pardew only for his football passion for our club and the game itself, other than that he’s way out of his league if he thinks he’s any where near below average manager, he must be among the top 5 worse managers ever to manage Newcastle.

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    *and neither is my dictionary lol

  • 25 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    So much drivel posted since the game yesterday! With most of it designed to fit an opportunist agenda of blame.

    But first things first. Far too many of our attacking players were below- par. We saw very little in a positive sense from the likes of HBA , Remy, Gouffran or Cisse when he came on. Whilst we made a hesitant start (not helped by Dunmmett’s nervousness) after around the first 20 minutes we were the better team. Can any fair minded fan honestly say that after the equalizer they did not expect us to win and at the very least draw. In football how often have we seen a team not capitalising on their possession and Sunderland certainly showed the guts and determination that we lacked. So it proved.

    The over reaction from many is not unexpected – the same people who blow in the wind and frequently go to extremes in their reading of a game whether winning or losing.
    With Sunderland fighting for their PL survival I never shared the easy victory rhetoric and we had the misfortune of being weak in the CB area which was duly exploited. I do share the view that players should not be played out of position because actions are often instinctive. There is also little to excuse the lack of closing down and general effort which Sunderland displayed and we didn’t. Is that also the managers fault – clearly because the mackems had the greater pumped up energy levels. Which brings me to Sissoko and his poor performance being down to him playing out of position. Since when does that excuse his total lack of physicality. He constantly lost out in challenges and played like a big girls blouse.

    Pardew was right, in his post match interview, to highlight the mackems winning goal simply because it resulted from a referee error. Few have chosen to mention this because it doesn’t fit in with their agenda of finding fault. It is also wrong to suggest that Sissoko’s poor performance is due to being played out of position. Having watched him carefully, he has not shown anything like the physical presence his size suggests, constantly being dispossessed .

    Pardew needs to get us back on track and to do that he needs to solve our eternal problem which is to keep the players focused on performance and not the panto that so many seem to revel in.

    Fortunately we have another top game in a few days.

    99Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    I have gone on a bit about Sissoko but it was a big source of post match chat and many could not believe his lack of commitment.

  • 26 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    I’d still like to know what these journos did to get banned. I looked at The Chronicle article on the march and it seemed fair and balanced to me. Were there more articles or tweets that could be seen as stepping over the line? Or is this Ashley throwing his toys out of the pram?

    The media were right to have an article on the march of course and while I can understand Ashley wanting to ban anyone he feels has been unfairly critical, this just adds to the circus sadly…

  • 27 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    With the players that we have, we should be looking at 6th place at least this season. If we aren’t around 6th place by xmas, I expect Pardew to be sacked. We need 2 centre backs, 1 winger, 1 playmaker and 2 strikers.

    The following teams have better squads than us:

    Man City
    Liverpool (just)

  • 28 belgrade fan // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    We cant play 2 decent halftimes in a line, not to mention 2 connected games. That is prob with AP. I would rather take us to lose that game vs Lpool but to won Hull, Wham ana Mackems. Man has great team but totally clueless.

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM


    I think it was a soft foul but not an unusual one to be given from current refs, and it was at the half way line, the players should still have delt with it.

    Hardly like the ref gave a dodgy penalty to give them a goal.

  • 30 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Transfer Sage – I wasn’t only thinking of you when talking of annihilation never ever being on the cards.

  • 31 belgrade fan // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    And I tought with players like Remy, HBA,Gouffy, Cisse we should have at least 3 penalties for us till now. But we had zero. Really strange

  • 32 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM


    when did we dominate ??

    the official possession stats say we had 51,7 % that’s not dominating

    we had 16 shots to there 8
    they had 6 on target we had 4
    we had 15 shots from outside the box and only 1 in it
    they 4 in and 4 out of the box

    in real chances , id say they dominated ,

    there keeper wont have an easier game all season,,

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:18 PM


    no problem, i was being far to optimistic, just getting in the spirit of things.

    i know we dont create enough chances to score 6 really, jsut hoping more than expecting.

  • 34 Black and White with an army lol // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    when was the last time AP got the lads to put in a full shift for 90 minutes?

  • 35 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    ToonDarnSarf, people are probably annoyed at him, like me, for highlighting it by his intent on deflecting blame from his inability to construct a cohesive and efficient team in the final third.

    Instead laying down his excuses, which in his pre-match interview he said we are in “better shape” this year and there are “no excuses” should we lose.

    As well as the generally a poor display yesterday with 8 internationals in the team against a team who had only 1 point and the joint worst start of a Premier League team ever.

    More of his usual talking the talk without walking the walk.

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:23 PM


    You’re right that it was soft and you’re right that there were still opportunities for us to deal with it. But, surely people can still understand why it’s frustrating?

  • 37 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    TDS — and some people take any excuse by pardew as gospel.!

  • 38 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Ian Toon

    the fact is , we had 90 mins to win the game, against the worst defence in the league and worst attack

    the ref did not make a huge error, it was something most of us would not have gave, regardless, and why did the players switch off??

    the fault does not lie with the ref here, but our manager, for his poor choices in attack, and players for not picking up there men


  • 39 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Laurent Robert – After your pre Liverpool

  • 40 jayphoto // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    For me, Pardew is a bigger problem than Ashley! As a fan, i am not the clubs accountant so therefor care more about the playing squad than the clubs commercial affairs, although the lack of investment in the transfer window is disconcerting, the fact is the board have provided the manager with possibly the best squad of players we’ve had since the mid 90’s! Admittedly they’ve been shrewd dealings for low fees but weve got many top players! On ability alone I think we’ve the 7th strongest matchday squad (18 players) outside of Manc, ManU, Chelsea, spurs, arsenal and id argue only luis Suarez makes liverpools squad stronger than our own! Yet teams like southampton and everton are leaving us for dead by playing a fluid style and getting the best out of their players through continuity!
    What i do see though is a manager, that after 3 years still has no clue of what the teams best formation, lineup or playing style is! A manager who doesn’t have the courage to stick to a philosophy and formation and changes it the moment we lose (see 4-3-3 2 years ago, we won 6 games in a row playing that, the moment we lose we dont see that formation again for a whole season). For me pardew has no idea how to get the best out of the players! He has no clue where sissoko should play, HBA is an enigma to him, Anita also! We rely on cabaye far too much! If YC plays well, the team do well, if YC is off, we are rubbish!
    Also, for 3 seasons weve had to see the backup plan of Shola stroll on at thr 60 minute mark (only reason weve not seen that so much this year is because hes been injured)
    I like pardew as a personality, but really feel a better tactical manager could get a lot more out of our players! Fully expect us to revert to type in the next 5 games and see jonas back on the left and a lone isolated striker in remy or cisse not seeing any of the ball!

  • 41 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM


    Did you actually watch the game? Besides, I said 2nd half. If you’re going to come up with stats, can you provide them for the 2nd half?

  • 42 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Getting your shots tally up from mainly taking long rang efforts is an extremely poor way to go about scoring goals and quite an embarrassment as a coach.

    It shows a lack of understanding of how to break down the opposition with the good technical players which he undoubtedly has, which is exactly what Pardew is paid to do.

    Long range shots are good and important, but creating chances for your forward/s is even more crucial.

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    I think there is an obvious link to parties who have not commented adversely upon the Toon banning the main local newspapers. It clearly is designed to fit into their opportunist agenda of no blame to Percy or El Gourdo.

  • 44 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    black and white with an army@34—–apart from the liverpool game it must be the chelsea game last season , not bad eh – a full shift in a year .

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM


    I can see why it annoys him but at the same time it’s not an excuse for the performance over the 90 mins.

    The stats catchy posted are quite good and i bet sum up a lot of our games over the season.

    Pardew annoyed me a lot last year talking about us dominating as havign 18/19/20 shots in a game but then only 3/4 on target and most from distance.

    What the man has failed to do is get a team creating enough ‘good chances’ in a game. (i mean good balls into 6 yard box, good through balls into the box, that type of chance).

    We get more than our share of spectacular solo efforst, we just need to get the team goals.

  • 46 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:27 PM


    Yet Wenger does it week in week out, so did Fergie. Come on! Pardew has been very honest at times regarding failings, would you rather he blamed the players like Di Canio? Or said he wasn’t good enough like Holloway? Actually, some people probably would rather he did the latter…but that’s not what I meant.

    People are nitpicking and it just shows what they think about the club at the moment. It’s sad.

  • 47 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM


    im wondering if you watched the game

    you said we dominated the game

    a game of football is 90 mins long, or do you have a new pardew watch ?

    regardless of who dominates a game, its about putting the ball in the back of the net

  • 48 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    transfer—– so the club sort of pick and choose when they want to speak with the media ?

  • 49 martoon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Ian Toon – I like your posts and often support you but have to say it is extremely picky pointing out a grammatical mistake of Jesper’s – if I could write in, say, French or German as well as Jesper does in English I would be very happy. I agree some people are over-reacting but you have to admit the substitutions were baffling.
    ToonDarnSarf – it was that article because Lee Ryder had a link to it on his twitter.

  • 50 Black and White with an army lol // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    stuart no9

    mate exactly what i was thinking :)

  • 51 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    You just have an agenda which is probably less honest than Catchy’s.
    It was instrumental in their scoring a winning goal. You lose all credibility if you are just fixated against Pardew. Balance.

  • 52 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM


    I don’t know what you saw. There was an article about the march in the Chronicle a few days beforehand, which was neutral. All the local papers and several of the nationals carried something similar. It was previewed on BBC local news on Thursday, I think.
    On match day the Chronicle splashed it on the front page, and had a spread on pages two and three. It reported the background and grievances of the marchers with some quotes. I believe the club declined to comment. There was also an editorial, the tone of which was sceptical. The Chron also carried live news updates online, which was fairly lukewarm and certainly not full of hostile opinion.
    Other papers, local and national, also covered the march. BT Sport also mentioned it.
    The media generally seems to have regarded it as a valid news story. Perhaps the club did not.
    Why were the Newcastle papers were singled out? Only the club could explain that I think.

  • 53 Black and White with an army lol // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    really guys i think we need to scrap the 3 formations we are using and approach my wonderful 4-3-1-2 style.

  • 54 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM


    Interesting how these people have plenty to say when they perceive Pardew or Ashley doing something positive. So much so that they ram it down the throats of those who don’t share the same view. Consistently inconsistent I would say.

  • 55 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    stuart no9

    If he’s offering it as an excuse then that’s stupid. But every manager comments on stuff like this. Why are some fans so keen to pick apart his comments and find something that could be taken negatively?

    We didn’t carve out enough really good chances and they showed more desire in the end. Yes, we were dominant in the 2nd half, yes we looked more likely to win it, no I don’t think it was a foul, yes it was a great hit by Borini. But we still lost.

  • 56 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    martoon-LOL you completely misunderstand. We used to exchange such points- it’s not grammar, mate but he has used the wrong word.
    Knowing Jasper I think he will be pleased . I am aware it’s not his first language.

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:33 PM


    Second time I’ve pointed this out. Stop being an idiot trying to argue when there’s no argument.

    I said dominant in the 2nd half. If you care to respond to that point then feel free, but don’t go arguing with me about a point I didn’t even make.

  • 58 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Does he know Jesper? His exploits on this blog would seem to show that he doesn’t even know himself…

  • 59 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:33 PM


    whats the balance ?

    a manager picks the team .

    you don’t always have to have your best 11 to have your best team,

    pardew picks his friends, its a theme that runs through the club right now

  • 60 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Playground bully boy tactics are out in force, time for me to get back to doing some work as decent conversation surely isn’t on the cards any time soon with this braggart around.

  • 61 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:36 PM


    If it’s that article and there were no more inflammatory tweets then it’s pathetic. The article was fine and I’d be disappointed if the local papers didn’t report on something like that! It’s up to the readers to decide what they think of it.

    From the article, I interpreted it to be a very low turn out (2-300) and the photos seemed to show the majority of people were young kids. So, I certainly don’t think Ashley or the club came off badly from the article.

    I thought some of the banners were childish, but The Chronicle has the right to report this kind of thing and so they should!

  • 62 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:36 PM


    I think most would back me up here,,

    we did not dominate any half,

    we may have kept the ball more in MF, we may have been shooting more from distance, this does not equate to us being dominant

    that’s not being argumentative, that’s facts

    how many shots did there keeper make in the 2nd half

  • 63 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Deliberately misrepresenting facts once more. Luckily no one takes you seriously.

  • 64 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:39 PM


    No, I didn’t see all that. Just the one article. I don’t live up there any more so don’t get the paper. Maybe they felt the coverage was overboard but the reaction seems overboard too.

    The protestors are fans and have a right to have their opinions heard. I don’t happen to agree with many of their opinions but I certainly wouldn’t deny them the right to have them or voice them.

  • 65 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I think we’ll see some new players in 2-3 months. I’m expecting us to sign at least 3 players. There’s talk of Santon being moved up into left wing with Haidara being the permanent left back. I think this would work. Santon is one of my favourites.

    Any news on Marveaux?

  • 66 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM


    why are you fixated on bringing in new players ?

    no amount of new players will fix the problems we have

  • 67 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM


    Even Kevin Kilbane agree with me, “Newcastle were well on top for long periods in the second half. But this is the type of result that can turn Sunderland’s season around.”

  • 68 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    BandB @52 —- well put mate.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    why would moving santon up be a good idea?

    he rarely delivers a good cross or shot

  • 70 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Saints be praised, you know you’re right if you share Kevin Kilbane’s opinion…

  • 71 Jail for Ashley // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    You claim to want rid of Mike Ashley yet you have done nothing but put down those trying to do something about him.

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:42 PM


    Souness and quinn didn’t agree with you, said we had more possession but did little with it.

    And thats the view i take, we looked comfortable for the draw but so did sunderland

  • 73 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    When George Reynolds, chairman of Darlington banned the Northern Echo after criticism, editor Peter Barron said at the time that it was not the role of a local newspaper to act as an extension of the public relations operation of a club and their role was not to put a spin on what was happening or conceal criticism of the club. In many of the recent cases it is on this specific point that disagreement or a breaking down of the relationship has occurred.

    Ashley i have heard is said to have been acutely annoyed by the recent survey conducted by The Chronicle which he felt asked some provocative questions . I recall reading Mr Tuff alluding to this in a post I read within the last week.

  • 74 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    ToonDarnSarf, yes, other managers can highlight things, however, they can also get their teams playing excellent football and have credentials to do so.

    That is the difference.

  • 75 martoon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Ian Toon – apologies I didn’t realise you were having a private joke and I believe using the wrong word is called a malapropism from Mrs Malaprop a character in a Sheridan play. (I’m showing off now :) )

  • 76 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM


    your totally missing the point,

    what is dominating a game to you,

    I don’t just base it on possession ,

    in the second half, borini had 2 shots nearly scored both,
    we had 1
    and im talking good chances made, not speculative shots,

    look at it from Scum side,, there winning, they have 3 points, there bottom of the table, why go gung ho and lose the game,

    they let us have the ball cos we wernt hurting them, we scored with our only chance in the game,
    poyet made changes to get another goal, visable changes

  • 77 martoon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    TDS @61 – Agreed and that was exactly my point @11

  • 78 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    picture of alan for his hero worshipers

  • 79 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    TDS- — The problem i have with pardew is that he never really blames himself. How many times do you hear managers at their post match interviews saying things – he got it wrong- we wernt goodenough- best team won–? you know, being honest, pards never does that , he treats everybody as being stupid, we are not , we understand the game , we know when we were shite and when we were good , so trying to tell us anything different , he is only kidding himself. I think a lot of fans would be easier on him if he would tell it as it acyually was.

  • 80 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    the downloadable pdf

  • 81 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    TDS- I am told that some banners cited Pardew.

    I fail to see why banners should mention him at all. If or when Ashley goes then lock stock and barrel so JFK and Pardew + coaching staff.

    I thought the objective was to show us in a good light to entice a prospective buyer. No mission statement no clear understanding to win over the fans to their cause. The only boost seems to come from a derby defeat . Not unlike last season when the cries for Pardew to go would mean that we were about to or had been relegated.

    Some fans would gladly have us relegated if it meant getting rid of Pardew and/ or Ashley. They call themselves fans.

  • 82 Ted Bundy // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    It’s time to topple the tower my NUFC comrades.

  • 83 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    martoon – I was confusing you with Mactoon but I see from your last post that I have engaged with you before on Gunther Grass and Adam apples. LOL

  • 84 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Catchy @ 76
    Tbh mate your spot on there
    We had plenty of possession 2nd half but couldn’t do anything with it, why?
    Because as you say the scum were happy to sit back, let’s us have the ball, flood there box and try to hit us on the break, which is exactly what they did!
    If anything the free kick for the second goal actually slowed a counter and we really should of had more people back, but we’d switched off and stopped trying by then

  • 85 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM



    im not sure you even like football, you never say anything about the game at all,, all I ever hear you go on about is why do we pick on the manager,

    your going on about this time for change like it was badly organised and executed , it wasn’t, there was no halm done , no real nastiness , it was badly supported by us who do want change, that was the only thing wrong with it,

    you never give any views on why he/they are doing a good job,, you just come here cos you claim to be a fan, a true football fan likes football first, then he has his club,, you only like the badge,

  • 86 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Regardless of us winning a game here or losing a game there I think most reasonable supporters (those without agendas) would be able to determine whether or not their club was progressing (forward). I had slightly raised expectations after the Liverpool game but was hoping that a good thrashing of the Mackems would enable me to at least harbour the thought that we were progressing. Clearly after the game I can have no such honest thoughts -it seems the “progress” is one step forward and two back. I fear we are on the brink of troubling times ahead.
    Ashley has been here for 6 years and Percy three years -three years is enough time to assess all at the club – duffers or decent players -we have too many duffers. Percy surely has asked for centre backs/forwards -as evidenced by the Douglas/PEA/Gomis bids and these have not been provided by Ashley/Kinnear. The whole lot have of them are culpable for this unholy mess and the bigger mess we are approaching.
    A walloping by City is on the cards and by Chelsea.

  • 87 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 PM


    The Chronicle was the only outlet I saw to put a figure on the march, of those who were reporting as eye-witnesses. Most just reported “hundreds”.
    Certainly the figure of two to three hundred seemed a reasonable assessment for the start of the march.
    However video footage from later in the march, including the Chronicle’s own, suggests the numbers had swelled considerably by the time it was passing though the Haymarket.
    I’ve seen it claimed that some involved took the precaution of asking the police for an assessment of the numbers, as the police were unlikely to over-count. Apparently they put the final figure at close to 1,000.
    But that was not an official police figure, so you can take it as you wish.
    But then, neither was the Chronicle’s 300 figure, and they didn’t report that it was.
    It did strike me as odd that they didn’t appear to ask. It seemed a rather obvious question.

  • 88 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Those who want Ashley and Pardew gone were not heartened by yesterday’s defeat, nor do they take pleasure in seeing Newcastle United losing any game.

    The difference with those who support Ashley is that their support is founded on the assumption that we will do relatively well in the league, whereas those who want Ashley gone have a resolute consistency ie if we finish 5th again or we finish 20th, they will still want him gone. Results do not change their opinion as they look beyond the football, and look at what Ashley is doing to progress the club and take us forward. Evidence is very sparse to suggest that he is doing either any time soon.

    None of us here have the right to hold claim to what constitutes a fan.

  • 89 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM


    are you sure your responding to the right post 😀

    just kidding

    but its nice to see you watched the same game as me 😛

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM


    I didn’t say I want to get rid of Mike Ashley, I said I think he’s a bad owner of a football club and I’d love to see a more ambitious owner who can interact better with the fans.

    In the absence of that, I’ll make the most of the situation…

    I have just said that I don’t believe the protests and marches will have any positive effect and they are having a negative effect.

  • 91 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:03 PM


    I’m referring to 2nd half in particular. But I still think we were marginally the better team. Not enough to say that we deserved to win, a draw would have been fair I think.

  • 92 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Catchy – I haven’t seen any TV coverage but spent hours with fellow fans talking about the game. The blame rested on Ashley’s shoulders i by us being short of an experienced CB which Pardew wanted to buy in the summer. He was left with little option but to go with Dummett – he reminded me of Shane Ferguson when playing in big games last season- the occasion got to him.

    Your fixated in your loathing of Alan- he’s not the problem, if you have to blame anyone start at the top.

  • 93 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Not having a negative effect, any dip in performance can be more closely linked to the management structure than it can be to the fans.

    You are using a logical fallacy if you think that the march has had a causative effect on our performance yesterday. The marchers didn’t claim that the march had a causative effect on our decent performance against Liverpool so where do you get off taking that stance?

  • 94 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM


    I base it on watching the match and believing that we were more dangerous than them, carved out more chances and looked more likely to win.

  • 95 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    stuart no9

    Managers very rarely do that.

    But I do recall Pardew doing that earlier this season. Can’t remember what match it was though.

  • 96 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    mister tuff @ 85 —— actually we had a better team 3 years ago when CH was sacked.
    what we didnt have in ability we made up for in pure blood and sweat. We had a team that would give 100 % every game. We had a manager who was visably gutted after every game , we also had a manager that took full responsibility for every defeat , we as fans also give him full credit for every win. long gone are those days, sad very sad.

  • 97 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:09 PM


    I agree it was a game where a draw was the most likely looking outcome during the second half. But that’s the problem. Sunderland have the worst defence in the league and average 3 conceded in their last 6, so we really should have created more chances than we did, and good chances not pot shots never troubling the goal.


    For me Ashley and pardew are the problem. Ashley doesn’t get the right players the manager wants but pardew doesn’t get the best from those players.

    In my eyes pardew doesn’t know how to get the best from this type of player, but he is giving his all which just isn’t good enough. Therefore like you say Ashley carries the can for not replacing him or for not buying him the type of player he wants.

  • 98 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Ian Toon

    I agree, I thought the banners were childish and inappropriate. But the march still deserved to be reported on.

  • 99 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Mr Tuff- You should not be so despondent-IMHO.

  • 100 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    ian I don’t know how any fan could be

    dummet is a tiny part in what went wrong yesterday, he got caught for a goal,

    we as a team let him down by not protecting him, there main goal threat was on our least experienced player,

    pardew mistake no1

    as a team we had far more quality out there, but we played in our own half, not going to hurt anyone from there are we

    mistake no 2

    our biggest goal threat remy, gets subbed, instead of making chances for him

    mistake no 3

    as I have said, they hav the worst defence, and we tested it once

    you know nothing about football ian

  • 101 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Mate just because I disagree with some posts doesn’t mean I write your opinions off full stop 😉
    I agreed all summer that pardew, like the club thought the case was with houghton, had taken us as far as he realistically could

    When it was evident that pards was staying all I asked was that he at the very least tried to adopt his game plan/ philosophy
    We’ve had a very very very mixed bag of performances this season, some of which showed a more attacking intent but then some awful performances where there’s been no cohesion in the squad at all

    Sadly an unemployed league 1 manager was his answer to hoots so god knows who he’d bring in IF he ever decides to take some pro active action

  • 102 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM


    Agreed. An obvious question. And surely the job of a responsible journalist to report on the numbers properly.

  • 103 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:15 PM


    The thing is, Sunderland have decent players but they’ve looked demoralised and lacking teamwork recently.

    So this was the perfect match for them, they were bound to be motivated! They’re not as bad as they have appeared to be earlier in the season.

  • 104 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    @ 95 — i mean visably gutted after every defeat- not after every game . hahaha , sounds like we got hammered every week.

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Unless I’m missing something wanting a new owner means wanting rid of the current one.

  • 106 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM


    I know 😉

    im hoping and preying the Ole gunner will be our next manager,, the season ends her in 2 weeks,,

    and after a poor start, he has them flying again in 4th, won 6 out of there last 7

    he plays the game the right way, and is totally honest

  • 107 IPToon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    From Pardew’s interviews since the game you would have thought we battered them. Yes, we had more of the ball than Sunderland but to be honest they are shockingly bad. What chances did we create with the possession? none. Our only chances were a few openings from about 20 yards out – we created naff all inside the box which is worrying. The goal only came from a miss hit shot from Ben Arfa which turned into a cross. A complete lack of movement, creativity and players getting in behind their defence and in the box. If I was in goal for Sunderland we wouldnt have scored more than 1.

  • 108 geordielad880 // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Side to play man city:-



    ben arfa————————————remy

  • 109 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Transfer Sage – ( is it true you were going to be Transfer Wise, but thought you might get flak and be linked with the poisoned dwarf)

    How many managers have to jump through so many hoops to get the players they want. Pardew clearly wanted a CB and a ST capable of holding the ball up. He also wanted Redmond who Clarkie would have let us have for £ 2.3 million but Kinnear resisted because he thought in would block Sammy’s development.
    Pardew certainly is often too negative in setting his sides up. We do need a greater blend of PL experience which again was what AP was seeking.

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM


    oh i know, they have some good players and not the cannon fodder they were under di canio.

    But having said all that we still have the quality to really get at them, something we should have done more, we should have used the possession we had a heck of a lot better.

    Thats a problem i notice in nearly all of our games, correct me if i’m wrong.

  • 111 Ian Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Catchy- The only thing I would have done differently – not bring Cisse on. That was Remy’s poorest game for us- he was dire, mate.

    I don’t share your views on NUFC period- it’s the art of the possible.

  • 112 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:25 PM


    I think pardew makes the right noises on signings, and make no bones about it he has been let down during his 3 years here with the type of player he wants…we have too many technical lads and not enough with fight and grit. If you go all technical they need to be all top draw, which ours aren’t.

    And never going to be transfer wies, my login is transfer god but i changed the name to sage in case calling myself a god offended any religious members.

  • 113 dcdick // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Pardew out !!!

  • 114 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    stuart I have actually found a video of when pardew did blame himself.
    spurs 2012

  • 115 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM


    Dead right. We should have posed them more questions. But is that something we can blame Pardew for? Ben Arfa didn’t look up for it and Remy was not the player we’ve seen recently. I wouldn’t blame Remy for being p*ssed off with having to answer questions about his future. He’s under contract until the end of the season, why can’t people just wait?

    Cisse looked dire when he came on too and Goofy had only an ok game I think.

    The player who looked most threatening was Ameobi but with that many attacking players misfiring, I hardly think we can lay the blame firmly at Pardew’s door.

  • 116 Ted Bundy // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    There needs to be another march this weekend, whilst the impetus is there. If a turn-out of around 5000-10000 can be stirred to action, with the media now firmly on the fans side with no reason to beat around the bush, it could be a critical move towards the end of the anaemic Ashley era.

  • 117 geordielad880 // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    newcastle need to be looking to signing some english players:- shawcross, sinclair, ince, i think dan gosling needs to be given a chance aswell, and i would prefer to see players like connor newton on the bench than obertan etc, sam byron from leeds would be another good signing to compete with debuchy

  • 118 WWSBRD // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Remember when we were all poised to bring Ashley back into our hearts not so long ago? Beginning to believe/hope there was an actual plan for the clubs future? Optimism was ripe?

    Didn’t take him long to show his true colours again though

    One thing I would infer from this media ban is that he fears the fan backlash more than he says, it’s a common rhetoric on here that he would ignore any fan protesting/boycotting well that doesn’t seem the case it’ll hurt him and he knows it…kicking the papers out of his back pocket may well come back to bite him pretty hard though

  • 119 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    That was a hard loss and I’m not sure Pardew learned anything from it. “If we’d gotten a second goal the game would have been over”? Absolute nonsense. We were never in control of that game from beginning to end. They swarmed us in the first half and worked their socks off. Despite that we couldn’t take advantage in the second half, they did. Many of our players had poor games. We took a few long shots but no real pressure in their box. Most of our shots missed or dribbled in to the goalie. We played a poor game Pardew. Admit it.

  • 120 wolfshead@toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    can someone name me a manager who does blame himself in public lol

  • 121 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    until we get british players into our squad we will go no where.
    foreign player who come to Newcastle join as it’s a chance to play in the biggest league in the world i know it.

    the decent foreign players now are usually from la liga and bundeliga.

    that team who won 5-1 contained these willo simpson Nolan barton carroll and shola all british.

    but that team yesterday had just 2 willo and dummet.

    Southampton who were league 1 team a few seasons ago look excellent this year and that’s all because that team they have is filled with british players.

    ba had a very bad run of form for half a season but at the very start of last season you would never have thought that. yet cisse has shown poor form for well over a season.

    tiote this season has got himself straight back to decent form

    Williamson is showing the determination to get himself a starting 11 something mbiwa did not show last week

    if a player thinks showing off his dribbling around players and not doing much passing can win the ballon dor what planet is he from.

  • 122 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Ian Toon – my despondency, and I suspect everyone else’s, plus all the arguing would disappear in a flash if there was a clear vision of progress/hope. Currently there is no light at the end of the tunnel -those who say otherwise at this moment in time cannot evidence it. There are those who think Percy is good and those who think he is bad – -just basic football opinion (without these so called agendas). Some think Ashley is good some think he is bad -again base opinion from those observing. Some introduce the fear factor of the “bogeyman” – usually suggesting it’s JK as the next manager. Whatever the thoughts about those in management -the clear position to any unbiased viewpoint is that they are not managing/running the club very well at the moment.
    Remove hope, ambition introduce perverse decisions and voila you get what we are experiencing at the moment. Couple this with the fact the Percy remarks that Ashley does not understand football – he understands clothing retail but does not get the bit about providing good entertainment ie that there are paying spectators involved who want to see a “performance – then add this mix of second raters and it leads us to our current position.

  • 123 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    No manager blames himself in public but they do learn from their mistakes. Pardew has improved with team selection as far as I can tell but the bottom line is the team do not perform consistently well under him. His response to Sunderland’s swarming tactics was weak at best. Our players seemed stunned that Sunderland’s were pressing them. Surely they had been prepared for that? Or possibly not? On top of that we have an uncommitted owner who is more concerned about what the newspapers print than supporting the club and manager. Then he hires a man who can’t pronounce names of players, can’t wait to have his appointment announced by the club and in general is not up to the job of DoF. It’s not a winning combination.

  • 124 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    toonking @114 hahaha i bet it took a long time to find that ONE. Not bad ONE in 3 years . also we got murdered 5-0 but fair play to pards – oh hang on a minute , his last comment was – ‘ but we had a lot of key players missing . hahahahaha , he just couldnt help himself could he , also he said he should take ‘SOME ‘ of the blame ? how about all of the blame alan – take allm of it, pr;;k.

  • 125 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    So the march would have had no effect whatsoever?

    “I write in reference to the above coverage in The Chronicle, The Journal and Sunday Sun regarding the protest march on Saturday 19 October by a small number of Newcastle United fans operating under the campaign name Time4Change.

    It is quite frankly staggering that you devoted 15 full pages, including two front page splashes, a back page, three double-page spreads and a remarkable six full pages in one (September 7) in The Chronicle to a protest march which ultimately was attended by approximately 300 supporters. Even if the 1,000 supporters expected by the organisers had marched your coverage would have been disproportionate. Given the turnout was significantly less than this, in fact only just over a quarter of that anticipated, something your coverage following the march failed to reference or reflect whatsoever, you should be in no doubt as to the strength of feeling that exists within the club in relation to your coverage.

    Indeed after reviewing all of the above articles, and in particular, the front page headline and a large map outlining the route of the march, spread over two pages in The Chronicle on 19 October it is our opinion there was an underlying message of encouragement and support provided by your titles in the lead-up to the day and on the day itself.

    We feel strongly that the turnout at the march renders your extraordinary coverage completely disproportionate. Furthermore it is evident from the scale and prominence you devoted to it that your agenda was the pursuit of sales based on an anti-Newcastle United stance, rather than a fair and balanced approach.

    We could never dream of generating this level of coverage, over such an extended time-frame, for some of our positive news such as some of the fantastic work undertaken by our Foundation in the local community which benefits so many or the recent announcement of reciprocal ticket pricing for away fans which received a fraction of the coverage of the march.

    Having given due consideration to the above and your response to my email of Monday 21 October, the club’s owner, director of football, board of directors and team manager have reached a unanimous decision that the three NCJ Media titles, The Chronicle, The Journal and Sunday Sun, will not be permitted access to any media facilities, press conferences and player interviews at Newcastle United indefinitely and with immediate effect.

    We do not require a reply to this letter, our position on this issue is not up for negotiation.

    Yours sincerely,

    Wendy Taylor

    Head of Media, Newcastle United”

    Will be interesting to see how people perceive this statement from the club.

  • 126 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    wolf @ 120 Chris hughton.

  • 127 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    is the northern echo still allowed in?

  • 128 wolfshead@toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM


    i agree but re the 2nd goal jose would have would went ballistic and the post match interview would have been all about the ref ignoring the linesman if anything pards is too mild mannered he is prob too pally in the dressing room too arses have to be kicked sometimes

  • 129 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    What has Sissoko been adding to our play recently? I would bench him and try to determine what his best role is. Can the team afford to play 2 defensive midfielders, Tiote and Sissoko? As far as I can tell he is not an attacker and is easily forced off the ball by much smaller players. Can he stop attacks and send us forward with a good pass? Tiote can stop attacks but his passing remains suspect. Very difficult situation. As for Cisse he is providing nothing now. Can Pardew design an effective attack around Remy? And if he does and then Remy leaves what are we left with? The lack of another good striker, a decent winger, and a solid defensive core is killing us. Yet the owner won’t spend and seems determined to force Pardew into a position where he has to be sacked. Lots to worry about here.

  • 130 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    Oh Wendy, not you too.

    It’s not bloody anti NUFC, it’s anti the owner and his drinking buddies killing the club and leaving us devoid of any joy and hope for the forseeable.

    That statement is beyond arrogant.

  • 131 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    stuart it didn’t take me that long actually and to be honest i was sureprised to see it used on that game.

    if he is making excuse that should be an easy on for him as it’s a top 4 team which we should not be expecting a win from anyway.

    pardews post match interviews are certain better than those of the one of the greatest managers ever.

    sir alex ferguson’s post match interviews after a loss were always the same stupid excuse blaming the referee.

  • 132 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    T4C we need another march . sooner rather than later , now is an ideal time -while the poker is still red hot.

  • 133 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Good points wolfshead mate @128. I think Pardew is his own worst enemy at times. He should focus on the things he can change. Put some pressure on the players in the dressing room. Find out what is happening with players like Ben Arfa, Sissoko, and Cisse. They look hopeless right now. We’re rapidly losing our way without leadership from the manager and proper coaching. But the players should be hanging their heads as well.

  • 134 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    We didn’t exactly boss the game and we hardly created any threat in front of goal.

    Yet again Pardew views thing differently to everyone else

  • 135 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    geordie 2

    I don’t think it’s necessarily the owner won’t spend. Those SIX who turned up in January had an initially very favourable impact before being Pardewed. It didn’t take Pardew long to turn a what looked a world beater in Sissoko against Chelsea at home to a shell of a man we see now.

    I dislike Ashley for appointing JFK, Pardew and Wonga and not taking the money from the Mansoors, but we still have a decent squad, just terrible managerial staff.

  • 136 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Wow that’s an impressive amount of paranoia even from our club management Ciaran @125. They sound like pathetic whiners who don’t understand the discontent of many supporters and in fact refuse to acknowledge many of the club’s problems with communication. What else is new?

  • 137 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Ashley just doesn’t grasp that by buying a football club he has entered the entertainment, and not the retail, industry.
    He has never got it.

    He doesn’t understand that in the entertainment industry, performance is reviewed on a subjective basis, but that in return for good and sometimes bad reviews, he gets priceless publicity.

    He is one of those owners who believes newspapers should pay him tens of thousands of pounds a year for access to his product. Because the vital and positive link they provide with local communities does not appear on his bottom line, he thinks it is worthless. So he has a gripe.
    He doesn’t get it.

    If those same papers were to turn the tables and charge him the going lineage advertising rate for the thousands of column inches his club gets free and gratis, he wouldn’t get it.

    Would you go to see a movie or a show that blurbed itself; “Not very good. But Affordable?”

    He is in the wrong business. He doesn’t get it. He will never get it.

  • 138 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    I have to think Pardew is part of the problem Rotonda mate. But we have so many problems at the club now it’s overwhelming. Without an owner with some idea of running a football club we were bound to get what we have now. Total chaos.

  • 139 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Those utter scoundrels at the Chronicle -well I’m gobsmacked – it has been revealed “your agenda was the pursuit of sales”. What scumbags trying to make a profit. Perhaps a similar type of profit making exercise when that company Republic refused to sign a recent accord in Bangladesh in respect of ensuring the safety of the buildings where their clothing is made on the cheap -workers have enforced overtime and earn about 2 quid for an 18-19 hour shift. Now then what is the company who now owns Republic -yes you’ve guessed right it’s Sports Direct. Talk about two faced double standards – the neck of some folk -should be ashamed of themselves.

  • 140 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    toonking———‘ he is making excuse that should be an easy on for him as it’s a top 4 team which we should not be expecting a win from anyway’———why should we not be expecting to win when we play spurs,?? ok we wont but WHY ? because this regime has grinded fans down so much that most people think we dont deserve to be top and we cant afford to be top therefore we wont be top FANS ARE ACCEPTING THIS AND IT HAS TO STOP NOW.

  • 141 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

  • 142 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    That statement from the club and Wendy Taylor will do them more harm long term.

  • 143 Assam Toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    We will lose the next three matches for the the following reasons,
    According to Pardew…
    City will have too much quality which clubs like us can’t compete.
    Chelsea will be fixture congestion and injuries in our backline.
    Tottenham will be a close call, meaning they should have scored three four and we shoot shot on target from outside the box (good chances). And then pardew will say that the season begins now.
    Is he under any threat to lose his job…no! We all can figure out the look of a man who has a revolver placed between his eyes…I don’t see that in pardew, he just looks mildly embarassed like a man who farted in a high society dinner table.
    Had enough of this nonsense, will just watch our matches and have a drink if we win and many if we lose.

  • 144 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:33 PM


    Please we don’t need that xenophobic BS. We were full of British players when we went down with Shearer as manager. Given, Duff, Owen, Butt, Nolan, Barton, Smith etc to name a few.

    Arsenal, City and Chelsea hardly have a British player on their books between them and it hasn’t done them any harm.

    I can still think of a lot of managers who would kill to work with our squad and aim for Europe but Pardew makes it all sound like a chore and makes everything so hard.

  • 145 wolfshead@toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:36 PM


    im sure wenger is consumed with jealousy after all he had to make do with ozil after missing out on cabs haha 😉

  • 146 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Who released the damn letter???

    Things just get worse and worse with a bunch of muppets either having their own agendas or just being completely deluded on what is best for the club. Ashley, KK, Shearer, T4C, plenty of posters on here…all failing to understand the view from the other side.

    It’s just going to get worse before it gets better sadly…

  • 147 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    There’s the source buddy, no agendas here you clown.

  • 148 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    @125 – this just shows what a complete set of idiots are in charge at NUFC – like 8 year old kids in a playground spat. These are supposed to be “Proffessional” people, in positions of resposibility, yet they behave like children.

    Is it any wonder that our club is going nowhere with this bunch in charge. God help us.

  • 149 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    TDS – are you suggesting it was wrong to release the letter -please clarify.

  • 150 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM


    Remember the ash cloud?
    You managed to give the impression to everyone that the airport management was crying itself to sleep at night over something utterly beyond its control.
    When did you become Comical Ali?
    Your predecessor refused to take it
    You are flushing your brilliant career down the loo. You are being set up as a villain here.

  • 151 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    ian Toon

    Hilarious you saying other people lose credibility. Coming from the man who invented multi aliases to to support his BS.

  • 152 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    band b

    yes she is,,

    selling herself for a few quid

  • 153 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Rotonda heights

    ian toon is a clown that admits to getting his stuff from friends rather than watch the match

  • 154 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:48 PM


    Wenger or Pardew? Hmmmm……..

    Still must be a bugger having to work with Ben Arfa, Cisse, Remy, Cabaye, Krul, Debuchy, Santon, Colo, Tiote, M’Biwa, Sissoko et al

    Yes ok Pardew may not have top dollar players but he is incredibly lucky to have this gig as in normal circs he would get nowhere near a club of our magnitude and have been able to demotivate and devalue players as successfully as he has managed to achieve.

  • 155 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Interesting piece here which has collated a number of letter and tweets from people in response to the press ban. A lot of calls for the Chronicle, Journal and Sunday Sun to stick the boot in and call Ashley out. Will be good to see if they do.

  • 156 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM


    I think that’s a fairly pejorative statement and I don’t like it.
    Sorry man, we always seem to come together at odds, when I do respect you.
    But I also respect Wendy more than to describe her as “selling herself for a few quid.”

  • 157 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM


    The view from the other side offers what exactly?
    Austerity and poverty from a product that was / is and always should be ” the opium of the masses”

  • 158 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:52 PM


    Don’t you find it odd that even in the face of a derby day defeat, press ban and evidence that the club are arrogant, vain and manipulative, that he still finds an angle from which he can defend Ashley, Pardew or the club?

    He’s a plant. His agenda is to try and promote the club, temper the negative opinions with his own brand of club PR. The only thing is he is terrible at it.

  • 159 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:53 PM


    You can’t escape the feeling that Wendy has sold out though if she really is the author of that memo. Singling out ”damaging NUFC” as opposed to having a go at the owner makes me smell a rat.

  • 160 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    The view from the other side is that everyone should fall on bended knee and offer praise to Ashley for saving our club from following in the footsteps of Leeds and Portsmouth.

    How dare anyone have the gall to openly report on anything that may be against His Royal Highness Michael Ashley

  • 161 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    band b

    that’s your choice

    for me, its more about integrity

    not one of them at the club, her included are doing anything that benefits the club,

    what hurts more is she is a local lass , along with steve stone and john carver,
    all there for the money

  • 162 beddersmag // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    No pardew fault yesterday. Tactics worked we bossed game but didnt take chances and few players awful, HBA prime example

  • 163 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Said it earlier and I’ll say it again

    By banning the media Mike Ashley has made a very powerful enemy, these are not simply some two bob local fish n chip wrappers, NCJ media is part of a national press organisation, they will hound Ashley, and not just over NUFC , they have enough ammo to really go for the throat, especially over SD and the seedy set up of his 3rd world sweat shops and perhaps even more ferociously over his zero hour policy given it’s such a hot topic atm

    He has well and truly backed the club into a forced stand off with the city now, having upset the local council previously he has now forced an allegiance between the local media and Time4Change who will now undoubtedly have fully backing from the journal and the chronicle

    The mans Ego is blinding him from just how petty he truly is and he is very much becoming the architect if his own downfall

  • 164 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Surely Pardew will be thinking about bring Anita into the lineup starting with Man City. We have to find a more effective midfield combination going into the Chelsea and Spurs games. Saylor must get some game time as well. We need an effective CB pairing somehow. Possibly Dummett will play at LB and Mbiwa at RB for the Man City match as well? Up front who knows but scoring will be difficult unless Remy is in there. They are probably looking for a clean sheet to restore Hart’s confidence. A difficult one to play right now.

  • 165 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    It’s not good for the club to release the letter. But T4C are just stirring up a battle against the club. So of course there’s a damn agenda, their job is to sell newspapers!

    The coverage does look overboard from what I’ve seen, but what Ashley fails to understand is that the local media will go overboard on anything regarding the club! Because the fans go overboard on anything regarding the club!

    I’m frustrated because as things escalate between the club (it’s not just Ashley) and a section of fans, the main thing to suffer is the club itself, players and all.

  • 166 mattnufc // Oct 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Anita hasn’t done much when he has played. Having said that, neither has Sissoko since his first couple of games. Would like to see Marvaeux play instead of him in CM.

  • 167 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM


    I would like to think she isn’t enjoying this. Good, strong, press officers influence and temper relations between their company and the public. I doubt she is in that position.
    But she has a choice. She can’t just claim to be taking orders.
    And Catchy, it IS about integrity. “selling herself for a few quid” is a very loaded term. I can’t go with that, man.

  • 168 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM


    Both sides. Ashley doesn’t get the fans, KK and Shearer didn’t understand what Ashley wanted and vice versa, the fans don’t get Ashley etc.

    If Ashley hadn’t been an arrogant idiot and had just appointed a proper DoF at the beginning then KK would never have been appointed, but if the fans had grasped the (correct) reason for KK leaving then they would have understood, instead they issued death threats.

    Under SJH the fans understood the owner an the owner understood the fans. If some fans demand this then they’re most likely to be disappointed, there aren’t many billionaire owners out there who could grasp the Geordie fan psyche…

  • 169 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM


    T4c are not stirring up a battle against the club, T4C are against Ashley for the good of the club………..long term while Ashley’s latest little stunt in banning the media has only gone to help them

  • 170 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    How is it Time4Changes job to sell newspapers?

    And how come before the letter was released you couldn’t see anything wrong with the articles but now there overboard??

  • 171 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    we have never been a top 4 team for decades yes we had a short spell when SBR and KK were managers but in that period we had a very large amount of local talent. then you manager basher forced the great sir bobby robson out and started a manager merry go round.

    what you didn’t know was their was an arsenal team that was willing to give their manager years to progress through youth and development.

    also their was a team called Chelsea which had a mega rich owner who was willing to spend massive amounts of money on players.

    so not only was their Liverpool and Manchester united as big teams but also 2 London teams called Chelsea and arsenal.

    so while all of that was happened what does Newcastle do, this- fans demand that SBR gets sacked and started the manager merry go round. forget loyal fans that is more like impatient fans.

    secondly we have 2 owners who were putting masses and masses of debt into the club which is ok for SJH not during the shepard era. to have large debt you need CL football which was ended when SBR was sacked.

    if that’s not bad enough we also make a bigger and bigger mess with the academies and waste too much money on random foreign players or injury prone ones.

    then freddy shepard leaves and in comes the worst of them all a buissness man called Ashley who just continues the chaos of the previous owners which he start by making a stupid manager choice kevin keegan. the reason for it being so stupid is how close we are with keegan and how easy it is for keegan to go over the top with anger and walk out.

    while all that is happened what is happened in the general football this

    their was a team call Tottenham who had one of the best English managers around so while the FA and club owners were causing mayhem to academies in England their was one manager who didn’t let that happen and so he turned spurs into quality and the the proof is when they can sell 2 players in just over 1 year to real Madrid.

    finally you have a second rich owners club called city which followed in the footsteps of Chelsea and spent masses on very good players.

    we might have been a top 4 but fan should have thought about that before sacking SBR. what started off with 1 bad sacking turn out to be the start of a disaster which has left us with.
    1 a greedy owner
    2 an arragent managing director
    3. very few, if any passionate players in the squad
    4 a manager who seems in a lost world and probably doesn’t know where he is at with things

  • 172 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    band b

    fro me , that’s exactly what she is doing,,

    they all are, pardew has done it since he came to the club, and what she has done should go against everything her job is about,,

    for me, lee ryder has been nothing more than a puppet for pardew, and now she just shit on him

  • 173 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Possibly mattnufc @166 but Marveaux was horrible in our cup game a few weeks back and has been dropped ever since. I think it was the Morecambe game. Anita has had more playing time but it’s up to Pardew to determine who would play better for us. I hope he’s up to it as we have 3 very tough games coming.

  • 174 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    screw you pardew

  • 175 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    you dont know what youre doing
    or shall we say you do and its crap

  • 176 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:10 PM


    Ashley owns the club! T4C are as arrogant as Ashley in thinking they know what is best for the club. We all want more ambition but the banners on the march were stupid. They said it wouldn’t be about “Ashley out” but would be to promote the club. 300 people with some holding banners saying “Pardew is a patsy” and calling Ashley, JFK and Pardew liars is hardly promoting the club.

  • 177 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM


    It’s the job of The Chronicle to sell newspapers. Obviously T4C have an agenda! But I was referring to the media.

    I didn’t have a problem with the article before because I’d only seen one and that was well balanced, albeit with some stupid comments by T4C. Now I see the number that there were in a short space of time and I can understand the problem. I don’t think it was the right decision to ban the media, but I see the problem.

  • 178 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    she must have her head so far up his but or wait vice versa

  • 179 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM


    Not a bad post mate, I agree with most of that. I don’t think too much of Redknapp though, he did well because they bought lots of good players and the 4th place was up for grabs at the time.

  • 180 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    @ChronicleNUFC: WATCH: Sports writers describe #NUFC ban as “petty and small minded” feat. @lee_ryder @MsiDouglas @NeilCameron5

  • 181 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    rotunda Chelsea and arsenal don’t have british players in their squad??????????? i didn’t know their was 2 arsenal’s and chelseas because the ones i know have 3 starters

    Chelsea have got lampard terry and cole all of who are in that starting 11

    arsenal have Wilshire and Walcott both as starters plus ox laid sometimes starts.

    yet we will have no more than 1 if that even.

    i’m not saying we should fill with british what i am saying is we need the leadership and passion in a team that british players give.

    Liverpool- gerrard

    Chelsea- cole lampard and terry

    united- used to be rio scoles and gigs and they have lost that now

    Newcastle- shearer then it was Nolan barton and carroll. now colo looks the only one but even he is not himself tiote looks the closest

  • 182 Ted Bundy // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM


    You can be thrown overboard with your perverse regime pretext.

  • 183 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM


    Knowing that Ashley isn’t the right man for the club is not arrogance on the part of T4C.

    As for saying that “Pardew is a patsy” and calling Ashley, JFK and Pardew liars! Well the truth is the truth and what it is promoting is the fact that people, who are life long fans born of passion and commitment to the club are sick and tired of the way we are being run and used by Ashley and co.

    This media ban and letter from Wendy Taylor will only help to compound the divide that they have created.

    T4C will only continue to grow and gather momentum, that much can be guaranteed

  • 184 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM


    Was there any point in me trying to talk through the march numbers with you? You paid lip service to listening, but 300 clearly suits your purposes better.
    You affect wounded independence of intellect when anyone accuses you of being an Ashley apologist.
    Gadaffi’s press guy was urbane, smiling, reasonable and ever ready with a bus tour of the selected sites.
    But he was also a hard-core regime nut with a Saturday Night Special in his pocket.
    All I can do is to try to stop you trying to have it both ways.

  • 185 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    do we have to go to watch a good gubbing by citeh
    no pennies for the fat man

  • 186 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Old but does he have a point??
    @nufcfans: So now we’ve lost another derby, it’s time to re-post this gem. @GNev2 on the problems @ #NUFC –

  • 187 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM


    You say the truth is the truth? Well everyone lies at some point but have Pardew, JFK and Ashley consistently lied? No, they have not! You can twist their words all you like to try to make out that they have but when you actually look at it, you’ll find they haven’t lied. Unless you count the misunderstanding with KK (based on his contract), JFK’s stupid drunken ranting and Pardew saying that Carroll wouldn’t be sold. Every manager is a liar if you blame Pardew for that one!

    You’re right, the media ban and letter just makes things worse and T4C and the media will escalate it.

    Ashley is not the best man for the club but until a better option presents itself, I’d rather just focus on supporting the club.

  • 188 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    How many times it wasn’t merely 300 kids mooching about, the photos have been posted numerous times of fans of all ages marching in a well organised and peaceful manner

    The clubs response to this is EXACTLY what you would expect from Ashley, gutless cowardly and immature

  • 189 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:30 PM


    There’s different numbers all over the place. Besides, two of my references to numbers were regarding The Chronicle article and the other comment, well the number is irrelevant. 1,000 people demanding Ashley out and calling Ashley, JFK and Pardew liars is no better than 300 people…in fact it’s worse.

  • 190 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    ashley is not one of the illuminati he is the anti christ

  • 191 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Time4Change seems to have gone on holiday for the half-term.
    I’m not sure they are riding this thing they have stirred up.
    A revolution in the pub isn’t what we need.

  • 192 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Lucky escape ——- Mr T has just been given a suspended prison sentence re the fraud re his dodgy licence. Narrow escape there.

  • 193 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    I’m sorry the misunderstanding with Kevin Keegan???

    The one where Mike Ashley was found to be a proven liar, guilty of unfair dismissal and ordered to pay £2 million pounds in compensation?
    Nope no lies there ffs

  • 194 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    do you still believe in the tooth fairy ?

    pardew lies every time he says his teams play on the front foot, even a blind man can see they don’t

    gullable fans like you buy it

  • 195 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Well at least TDS is willing to do down with his captain, however the rat Ashley will jump ship before it sinks, let’s hope the next guy can stop it from plunging into the abyss.

  • 196 Ashton // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Sticking with this abominable s***head of a manager is Ashley’s biggest mistake. He gets blamed for a lot of things here but having Pardew manage this team is the worst thing he has ever done to Newcastle.

  • 197 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM


    The KK situation was not a ‘Misunderstanding’ by any stretch of the imagination and if you can’t see that they have all lied to us then you really need to open your eye’s

  • 198 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    I do not think for one minute that the PR lass at the Toon was the architect of the letter to the Chronicle – she may have put the finishing touches though. The origin must be a dictat from El Goudo.
    Could she have refused -well probably yes -but probably at the expense of her job.
    Unfortunately persons in such positions (employee of a meglomaniac) run the risk when they follow orders of being perceived within the local community as a quisling/collaborator. She must be aware of the risks in her job.

  • 199 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    just get ian Holloway in and do a good job

  • 200 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Time4Change’s press release relating to the press ban.

  • 201 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM


    Numbers all over the place?
    I thought you’d only been able to find one article. A lad of your resourcefulness too!
    So your objection isn’t, after all, based on the strength of opinion.
    It’s that the opinion doesn’t correspond with your own.
    The march has at least forced Ashley to unveil another unpleasant, intolerant, logically conflicted and bullying side to his skill-set.
    As it has done with your good self.

  • 202 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    removed or wrong link ciaran

  • 203 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    JT @ 199 Ian Holloway has huge personal integrity and self respect. The chances of him working for Ashley would be about zero I would suggest.

  • 204 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    agreed but he is as funny as fcuk

  • 205 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM


    More bullsh**t from the idiot brigade who simply don’t listen.

    This is what happened:
    – KK was appointed with a contract that didn’t mention who had the final say of transfers
    – KK assumed he did (this was backed up in court as a fair assumption)
    – Ashley hired DW to take over on transfers (presumably because KK could not be relied on to toe the line)
    – KK told the world that he had the final say on transfers
    – According to the club, DL (or was it CM?) and DW then confirmed to the world that KK had the final say because they didn’t want to contradict KK in public

    The court found the club guilty of unfair dismissal because KK had every right to assume he would be given final say and the court found it reasonable that given the club knew who they were hiring, it was clear that he would feel forced to resign when that power was clearly not his.

    The judgement was for unfair dismissal and that is what Ashley is guilty of. Being a naïve idiot who hires a maverick manager without a proper contract and without a proper DoF/chairman/MD who knows how to run a PL football club.

  • 206 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM


    I’ve since found a few more. I haven’t actually found anything mentioning more than 300 in any article though.

    Yeah, it’s forced Ashley’s hand to do another stupid thing.

    Since when is it a good thing for the club to be fighting its fans?

  • 207 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    MR T

    which ever way she went , she was doomed , at the end of the day it’s her name on it , she must know she is being used

  • 208 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    TDS. What else do you take on a protest march if you don’t take banners ? People wouldn’t know why you were protesting in the first place would they ? What’s the point of that ?

  • 209 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    stuart no9

    Banners fine. How about banners that highlight what is good about our club rather than what is bad? What happened to the march taking place to showcase our club and our city and to attract a new owner???

  • 210 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Fcuk me you’ve put so much spin on that you must of made yourself dizzy

  • 211 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:53 PM


    I hope you know how you are coming across to people reading your comments

  • 212 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    toonarmydownsouth @210


  • 213 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Time4Change press release in full:

    Fans group #Time4Change have noted the ban of local papers and journalists from Newcastle United as a result of coverage given to our recent protest march.

    We wish to condemn in the strongest possible terms the stance taken by the club; to punish hard-working journalists for following their duty to report factual events. This is nothing short of abhorrent.

    We view the club’s decision as being contrary to freedom of speech, freedom of the press and shows a strong and derisory lack of respect for the views of the fans.

    It is symptomatic of a club out of touch with their supporters that they should choose to shackle local journalists following another derby defeat, instead of answering probing questions about the latest in a line of disappointments emanating from Newcastle United #nufc

  • 214 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Simple put…why the f**k would any owner in the world want to take over this club???

    FFP rules make it difficult to invest heavily to catch the top 6 –

    Virtually no hope of CL football without several years of significant (i.e. maximum allowed) investment and incredibly good management at all levels. The top 6 are miles ahead (50% ahead on revenue at last check).

    Man Utd, Chelsea and City are stupidly wealthy and the latter two have grown massively. Arsenal and Liverpool are massive clubs and bigger than us.

    So where do we fit in to be a CL team? It’s going to take years!

    And meanwhile, the fans come up with stupid comments like “Cockneys out” or call the manager or owner a liar if it can be interpreted that they weren’t 100% honest and direct or if they were then things changed later.

    You (and I guess we) want a billionaire owner who loves football (but isn’t the fan of any other PL club), who understands Geordies (ha! who does?), who want to liaise with fans and fan groups (directly or indirectly) on a regular basis and who wants to invest significantly to move the club forward.

    Good bloody luck.

  • 215 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Mister Tuff
    If she disagreed she may well of been dropped from his Zorin Industries Zepplin!

  • 216 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Always suspicious of “fans” who engage in PR…

  • 217 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM


    And calling Ashley a liar isn’t spin??? Because there’s zero proof of that but absolute proof of what I have just said about the court case.

  • 218 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM


  • 219 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Ah of course positive banners!
    “Come look at our statue”
    “The stadiums in good nick under the SD signs”
    “There’s a Gregg’s on the corner”
    ” 2 4 6 8 look at our re hung gates”

  • 220 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    catchy – yes she’s obviously not daft probably a reluctant but willing participant. She will in the future probably say she was “acting under orders” (the classic Nurenburg defence).
    I’m watching Sky News at the moment – there has just been a piece about the Toon banning the local papers because of the march. So another own goal – the publicity of the march clearly was not what they wanted. By issuing this stupid ban – details about the ban/march have now gone world wide. Therefore creating more publicity. I first wrote about the clubs poor PR over a year ago and even sent them an email in respect of the pitch wrecking at Wigan. They have learnt nothing -a bunch of amateurs.

  • 221 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM


    If that’s your opinion on what is positive about our club then I don’t know why you bother…

  • 222 nufc82 // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Defensively I know we weren’t at our strongest yesterday, but the biggest disappointment was our attacking performance. We were slow and predictable going forward. Too many of our midfield players keep hold of the ball for too long. We also don’t get the ball in to the box enough, as most of our shots come from 20 – 30 yards. The likes of Santon get in good positions, but he always runs in field instead of crossing the ball. As much as I like Santon as a player, he really needs to learn to cross the ball with his left foot. Sunderland were there for the taking, but we blew it

  • 223 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:10 PM

  • 224 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    what can you see thats positive and don’t say financial stability crap or the accountants will be out

  • 225 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM


    that was very Whitty , I liked it :p

    tds might as well be a full on cockney , he has morphed from a Geordie

    at least your still sane

  • 226 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    judging by the performance on Sunday it looks like Loic Remy is well on his way to being Pardewed, i used to think that ToonDarnSarf’s post were at the least a counter balance to some of mine, even though he was keep using false accounting, although i would dispute his claim to be an accountant, when he kept telling everyone he had been conned by the halls and shepherds, even when i posted an article on fraud from the dti he kept going back to the poor Ashley was conned, debt was hidden. So poor Ashley was conned yet the city of London police investigated the previous regime and last thing i understood was the halls and the shepherds were still running businesses. and before anyone goes on about the debts £86m almost £50m was for stadium expansion, and if the halls had not of sold the club behind fat Freddie’s back we would now be debt free with a 65’000 seater stadium. but no we got an incompetent slob who double the debt chased away 1,000’s of fans. and just for ToonDarnSarf the number 1 st James park project would have paid off all the clubs debt the land around st James park is shooting up in value due to the high rise buildings going up.

  • 227 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    So what the big positives then?
    Stadium, fan base that’s it that’s all that’s left

  • 228 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    The finances can’t be used as the club has a massive debt to Ashley, so whilst the books look good under him a buyer will still have to clear a massive debt

  • 229 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    not sure if Ed was being cryptic here

    but his piece
    the pic under the headline is pardew

  • 230 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    i was being ironic there are no good points to stick on banners

  • 231 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    only the nails holding the cloth on

  • 232 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM


    a dept that he is taking back every year, with clever accounting and free advertising

  • 233 Tom4Nufc // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    And just when it can’t get any worse… Tiote is off to prison!

  • 234 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    It also suggested supporters were misled in a series of interviews carried on the official club website and club programme early last year, where Wise and former chairman Chris Mort confirmed that Keegan was in sole charge of transfers. The statement continued: “For the club to have made these statements, when they were, according to the club, untrue, was in our view simply to store up trouble for the future.”

    from an article in the independent ToonDarnSarf have a read another of your myths put to bed

  • 235 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    like everything else that is such a mess this will again be pardew and ashleys fault

  • 236 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    ‘Suspended sentence’ basically do your community service and don’t get into trouble for the next 18 months and alls forgotten

  • 237 Tom4Nufc // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    I think the whole thing is a debacle… Why can’t we just show solidarity?!

  • 238 Tom4Nufc // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    So hopefully he’ll get away with just community service then!

  • 239 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    cos the owner is extracting more than urine

  • 240 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM


    In response to the lies article:
    1 – the 2nd link does work but it appears the article is about CM. And yes, only an idiot would suggest that people tried to mislead Ashley.
    2 – These are 2 different points! Note the word “formal”
    3 – I’ve already addressed this above
    4 – David Williamson v Bassong? Does Ashley have other names?
    5 – Carroll didn’t have to leave. But the money was too good to turn down.
    6 – big deal. This happens in football constantly
    7 – Err…isn’t that exactly what happened?
    8 – Granted. He got his sums wrong here.
    9 – Nothing here at all. Shearer and Ashley clearly fell out after Shearer apparently demanded significant transfer funds
    10 – Err…it was. where else has the money gone? Bar the £11M he’s taken back for his short-term loan, everything else has gone back into the team! Besides, this is another quote not from Mike Ashley!!!

    Stupid idiot article, why did I even bother?

    It mentions lies from Mike Ashley when most of the damn things said weren’t even by Mike Ashley! Pathetic.

  • 241 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    toon queen

    come on , now your being daft

    how can that be Pardews fault , unless he bought it for him


  • 242 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM


    Two conflicting accounts of the “death threats” to Ashley meme you keep repeating.

    “I am now a dad who can’t take his kids to a football game on a Saturday because I am advised that we would be assaulted”
    Mike Ashley.

    “We gave no formal advice to Mr Ashley about not attending Saturday’s game. It is not our place to do so.”
    Northumbria Police.

    Bearing in mind Ashley’s recent uncorroborated assertion that he was also the subject of anti-semitic chanting, can I ask you to follow your own best practice model and provide some evidence that this ever happened?
    I will not wriggle out of accepting any evidence you provide.

  • 243 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    is pardewps pro licence fake check that out

  • 244 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Coming off a poor performance and with players missing I have fears of 3 decisive defeats coming up. Then we have to raise ourselves for Norwich or sink further down the table. Pardew is in another big pickle while Joe and Mike lie low.

  • 245 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM


    from your reply at 3:30

    I would say it isn’t down to pardew if this weekend was a one off. The problem for me is that its nearly every game we dont like like a team playing as a proper unit with good link up play at all.

    I’m genuinely sick of seeing pardew make the same mistakes. Hr changes personel, he changes formation, he changes style…but not matter what he does we play 90% of our games like a disjointed rabble who haven’t seen each other before.

    It’s time for a change.

    If we can’t force Ashley out its time to encourage him to get pardew out and force his hand with a new manager. Whether the new manager is better or not, we will get the same quality in if pardew goes now or in 8 years….only one way to find out.

    We get out of sticky situations with individual brilliance, we’d still have those individual goals if I was the manager so willing to take a chance.

    Pardew is as bad as souness in my eyes, slow and predictable play.

  • 246 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    re-iterating wheres the good points to display on the well constructed banners

  • 247 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Not made by Ashley?

    Ashley owns club – Ashley employs Board to represent his wishes for the club and oversee them – the board are direct representatives of Ashley’s views and actions

    Ashley is the ventriloquist and the board speak his words

  • 248 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    bring in ray allen or keith harris

  • 249 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM


    What are you referring to? The police say they never offered “formal advice”. Ashley just says he was advised. There’s no contradiction there. Ashley doesn’t even say who he was advised by.

    I know nothing about the anti-Semitic chants though.

  • 250 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:45 PM


    So everything that an employee does is his employer’s fault? What utter garbage.

  • 251 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM


    your source for the claimed Ashley threats, my source says it was Llambias, and false

  • 252 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM


    Yeah, I’d like to see change too. The problem is, I don’t see how this will happen in a positive manner. It’s a mess.

  • 253 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM


    No, Either provide the cast iron documented evidence for your assertions that Ashley received death threats (your repeated assertion) or withdraw.
    That is what you demand of others.
    Ashley infers strongly that the police warned him off. The police (the police mind) say they definitely did not.
    If you don’t think it was the police, then why give it any credence?
    It is doublespeak.

  • 254 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM


    in high level business the top guy apoints people he trusts as they can make or break him

    if they said something out of turn they would be forced to issue a statement

  • 255 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM


    That was years ago, I can’t remember! I never knew that anyone disputed that to be honest. Even if there weren’t death threats, the atmosphere at the club was toxic to say the least and Ashley was insulted to the extremes.

  • 256 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM


    true, we might not got better change

    but pardew was a sacked league one manager…we could do a hell of a lot better

    also managers on the continent work under equally difficult conditions so why not get them

  • 257 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM


    I’m not getting into that debate but it certainly doesn’t prove that MA is a liar!

  • 258 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM


    Not sacked because he was a bad manager though.

  • 259 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Yes when there acting under instruction, releasing statements about policies etc, that’s under instruction

  • 260 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM


    Yes, but not that is not the same as repeatedly asserting as you have, that Ashley and his children were under threat of violence from Newcastle United supporters.
    And if you don’t effing remember anyway, then shut up!

  • 261 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    The simple reason the atmosphere inside SJP was toxic and the reason why Ashley was insulted was all because of HIS actions.

  • 262 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Can’t be arsed using Google to produce proof of death threats, I really can’t. Do it yourself it you’re that bothered.

  • 263 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    TDS – heard of vicarious liability?

  • 264 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM


    no it doesn’t prove he is a liar…just meant that if the people below him said some outrageous he didn’t agree with then there would have been a statement issued to the contrary.

    And was he not? he was sacked over poor staff morale…thats not being a good manager. And in fairness he was probably a very good manger at that level and with the type of player he had. He just isn’t right for us at all.

  • 265 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    A toxic atmosphere and chanting “you fat cockney b*stard get out of our club” is ever so slightly different from “hey mike were going to kill you and family” do you not think
    You often say people use extremes to enforce there point, this is one if those
    Let’s not forget there was a reason for the toxic atmosphere, like overseeing a fcuking relegation through sheer incompetence and stupidity

  • 266 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM


    You won’t because you can’t. You spout destructive piffle which you have just conceded comes off the top of your head from half-formed memories. You present these things as facts.
    And remember also what you have just said about not being arsed to look next time you challenge someone else to deliver you “the facts.”

  • 267 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    If an owner does things right the fans don’t get on his back….after relegation i was as anti ashley as any.

    Then we came up with a good policy of keeping players, sacked houghton which annoyed me but bought well and got 5th.

    The I was ready to let the past be the past but he has done little right since, he brings all the crap he gets on himself.

  • 268 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM


    i know it as a fact as it was told by Llambias at a table full of my brothers guests and Llambias pushed himself onto him when he was conducting business with an important clients, Llambias made the claim then he went on to tell them that he was a part of the east end mafia and he had links to the kray’s it was not just an embarrassment but he lost the order too as a result they refused to renew the box and told Llambias they were thinking of seeking legal action against the club.

  • 269 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    bring on the barristers

  • 270 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM


    that’s why corporate sales are so much lower than when he took control, and i know we are in a recession but that’s all the more reason to wine and dine your clients. when i had my company i spent quite a bit on gratuity’s you often have too to stay ahead.

  • 271 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Interesting views on the sponsorship debate

    “Newcastle moan that they can never attract the sponsorship revenues of bigger clubs. But their case is undermined by the dozens of Sports Direct adverts that plaster the stadium and pitch surrounds.

    No sum is specified in the accounts as to what this global advertising is worth to Sports Direct, but industry analysts say it could be worth millions. Sports Direct get it for free.

    The club’s retail operation appears to be morphing from an division that used to provide revenue, to one being taken over by Sports Direct. More money going out of the club?”

    Reply #5306 by UV on 04 Sep, 2013 10:53
    Quote from: Roger Kint on 03 Sep, 2013 14:18
    Quote from: JJ7 on 03 Sep, 2013 14:16
    Quote from: Roger Kint on 03 Sep, 2013 14:13
    Quote from: JJ7 on 03 Sep, 2013 14:11
    Quote from: Roger Kint on 03 Sep, 2013 14:06
    Quote from: Wullie on 03 Sep, 2013 13:55

    It’s not that hard to quantify. The club is bringing in £13m a year less in sponsorship than it was when he took over, the only club in the league whose commercial revenue has decreased.

    That advertising has been replaced by his company, which the club pays to provide. He has actively reduced the club’s income only to then plead poverty.

    Where are you getting this from? Or are you wrongly lumping all commercial income together as being advertising?
    £29million to about £14million a year. Doesn’t exactly take a brain surgeon. To think our turnover was higher than Spurs in 2007 too.

    Clearly it does as commercial income is not just sponsorship which is the point i was making, genuinely dont know what your post has to do with mine.
    Erm, considering sponsorship takes up a big chunk of commercial revenue, I think it’s pretty obvious.

    Considering the biggest reduction in commercial income was not related to sponsorship then it doesnt sound too obvious. Still no point in taking people like The Swiss Ramble’s word when you know everything about it from looking at the basic numbers

    Let’s put this into context then.

    The last accounts which split up the commercial figures were the 2006 ones (which were for an 11 month period). The revenue was split as follows:
    Total: £25.7m
    Sponsorship: £11.2m (44%)
    Catering: £6.7m (26%)
    Branded products: £7.8m (30%)

    The commercial revenue in 2007 was £27.6m so we can estimate the catering part of that revenue was around £7.2m.
    The commercial revenue in 2012 was £13.8m, precisely half what it was 5 years earlier.

    I’m no catering expert, but I’d guess with the high end corporate market and competition-free matchday sales, the catering at the club should have a very high profit margin, probably over 50%. Even if you assume we now only get £1m from the outsourcing company (Sodexo), that still leaves around £7.6m of lost revenue from sponsorship and merchandising.

    You should also factor in that the sponsorship part of the commercial revenue is practically all profit, so pound for pound a reduction in the sponsorship revenue has a much greater effect on the club’s cash-flow than reductions in catering or merchandising revenue (which would have associated reductions in costs).

  • 272 Faustino11 // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Too many excuses Alan. Your team aint working. U need to start creating chances and to do that u need supply from both wings. Even having poor wingers is better than nowt.

  • 273 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Not sure why it posted all that only wanted to post the bloody link !!!,90600.5300.html

  • 274 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

  • 275 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM


    good read.

    no forgetting sports direct for a minute, as some sources put the advertising figure being low, so lets forget that issue.

    What have they done to lose 13 million? i presume its not all down to sports direct going off other estimates…either way they have lost a hug chunk of money

  • 276 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM


    It is no coincidence that the year we start buying exclusively from France was the same year that MA started going head to head with Decathlon, Frances biggest sports retailer in their own back yard

  • 277 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Exactly mate, let’s take SD out if the equation, how has MA, a business genius (Apparently) managed to lose so much revenue?

  • 278 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    We never give you anything other than fantastic support home & away Mr Pardew .

    Maybe its time you start returning the favour .

  • 279 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    because he is a plum

  • 280 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM


    if it’s sports direct costing us that its disgusting frankly

    however if its not that it sheer incompetence seeing as other teams have grown their revenue in that field

  • 281 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    make a banner out of sd tat bags set fire to it ala muslim style in front of cameras

  • 282 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    don’t get caught speeding in Norway , 20 lymph over the limit £800 fine 6 month ban

  • 283 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    give his gear away in deprived african states and watch the kids say ” i aint wearing that gash gear”

  • 284 catchy in norway // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    now that’s huge news

  • 285 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    For me it’s another example of how since Ashley has taken over the club he has failed to keep up with the pace that the football world moves in
    If you stand still in this climate you go backwards

  • 286 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:50 PM

  • 287 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    cant the tv cameras obliterate the sd adverts in sympathy with the journos

  • 288 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Follow the link to down load NUJ reply letter to NUFC and Wendy Taylor

  • 289 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 7:55 PM

  • 290 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    0-1 already

  • 291 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM


    I really dont understand that part of the club. For me Ashley’s regime boils down to 2 possibilities.

    1. he wants to make the club self sufficient only, just stay in the league and use it to peddle his company

    2. he wants us to progress slowly but he just doesn’t quite know how best to do it

    Either of those options, one good and one bad for us, require money. It makes sense for him to make the most money he can from Newcastle either invest in the team or to repay his own debt, either way it benefits one of the 2 reasons he owns us.

    So why does he not hire some sensible, experienced people in those areas of the club instead of the clear incompetent people he has in them now. Even with no football interest it just makes sense for him to maximise revenue from the club.

  • 292 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I think Ashley is looking to go as soon as possible and until he does actually sell up we will be left to simply exist and nothing more

  • 293 Bearsize // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Not sure if anyone has suggested this, but does anyone think that this media ban is a spin to distract out attention away from the result?? Think about it, lee ryder ect.. do seem to be ‘regime happy’ and they claim they knew before the game but could be talking utter kack. Just seems weird, too weird. Mash and journos in cahoots??

  • 294 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    he wont relinquish the club till he has squeezed every last penny he can get out either cash or free adverts

  • 295 wolfshead@toon // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM


    i doubt it someone would leak it imagine the fallout then

  • 296 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:16 PM


    but even if he wants to go soon why has he not had proper people in to maximise revenue…could have made himself another 20 mil in that time

  • 297 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Beautiful, just beautiful 😀

  • 298 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Because he’s an arrogant billionaire who thinks he knows better. Running a Premier League football club is the polar opposite of running a retail company. The biggest failing of Ashley’s is that he’s always employed the wrong person for each and every role within the club.

    Every bit of criticism that come his way is of his own making

  • 299 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    because he wishes to antagonise the fans as much as he dare

  • 300 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Who knows that logic applies to every field!
    He wants the business to be self sufficient and maximise revenue yet we have no MD
    He wants us to bring through talent yet appoints JFK as DOF
    He wants a manager who can handle managing in heavily restricted circumstances and appoints pards

    You either have to spend big on the pitch or get the very best behind the scenes you can’t scrimp on both and expect success

  • 301 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM


    C’mon lad, you’re asking yourself questions that you know the answers to.

  • 302 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    I hope people won’t be too easily swayed by the outrage coming out of Thompson House.
    They chose the policy of sycophancy for years. And now they are revealed as the dirt below Mike’s shoes.
    The club is muscling them out of sheer contempt. It is letting them know once and for all who is boss.
    Who would bet against some behind the scenes appeasement being attempted right now?

    They hedged their bets on the march. It failed. They kept the news of ban back. So as not to disrupt preparations for the derby? Or in the hope of currying favour?

    They have sided with the club against the town. Now they need to earn our respect.

  • 303 JAMSHA // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:27 PM


  • 304 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Nice possible front page from the Chronicle.

    The ‘small’ snowball of the march has just got a bit bigger.

  • 305 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:29 PM


    I fully agree with you, but I just dont understand it one bit.

    If ashley liked the club and wanted it to progress then he should be making better appointments. Lets be honest, he is no mug when it comes to business, he surely knows JFK isn’t a good man to have as a DOF. He surely knows there are better men than pardew, he surely knows the should get a ore competent person in charge of bringing in revenue from whatever source. All that would allow him to build a team and be self sufficient.

    If he hates the club and wants to get back at fans what better way than making a big fat profit and taking the money for yourself. Therefore needing a good MD who can bring money in.

    Ashley will realise the club isn’t making as much as it once did, he isn’t blind. He must also ask questions of why the club isn’t making money and he should be making people accountable.

    I just cant see why, from whatever ashey wants from the club, why he isn’t generating as much money from it as he possibly can.

  • 306 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:29 PM


    the problem I have with the Chronicle is that they have gone cap in hand to Ashley too many times in the past. Now, for once they seem to have grown a pair of balls they need to stick by what they said and react in the right way to the ban thats been imposed on them.

    If they back down in any way they’re finished

  • 307 geordiejamie89 // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Pardew be gone. He’s useless. Keeping a terrible manager isn’t stability. new manager long overdue.

  • 308 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM


    I dont know the answer though.

    I can see why Ashley isn’t trying to get that 13mil back in lost revenue and grow it more….even if all he does is stick it in his own bank account.

    It makes no sense why that’s fallen away so much.

  • 309 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    coz its a balancing act and he cant balance cos hes a fat git

  • 310 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    geordie jamie

    Thats reminds me of my favourite comment on the issue.

    Stability does not breed success, success breeds stability.

  • 311 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM


    meant i can’t see why he isnt trying to get that revenue back

  • 312 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:34 PM


    They have become his client state. All he is doing is rubbing their noses in it.
    I have little sympathy for them. They have led the march towards churnalism for years.
    They need to make some big choices.

  • 313 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    TS…maybe just maybe Ashley is a mug? 😉

  • 314 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM

  • 315 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:38 PM


    Mike Ashley has taken deliberate steps to scale down the size of this club, and with it the expectations of its fans. Ashley didn’t see European involvement as an opportunity to make more money in the sense of increasing turnover, he seen it as a burden as it meant needing to invest in order to stay there – getting 5th raised expectations and he wouldn’t want that!

    So, by constantly aiming for mid table mediocrity, Ashley was hoping we would be happy with this stability so he could keep taking money out this club, pocket the TV money until such time a buyer was willing to match his over-inflated pricetag for this club.

    He’s been found out, and will not be able to see out his plan without at least a fight from the fans. He doesn’t appear to be ready for the fight.

  • 316 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    burn his bags

  • 317 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    from the tyne bridge

  • 318 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:44 PM


    maybe, but he is a self made billioanire so must have something about him haha


    I could accept all that. But for revenue to drop 13 mil from when he took over…its a disgrace. We werent a regular european team then, just mid table…so why cant we stay mid table yet still bring that extra 10 mil or so in.

    I just dont get that.

  • 319 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Are SportsDirect paying for their adverts?

  • 320 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    I don’t know if it has been posten, but “Toon’s Tiote avoids jail term”

  • 321 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM


    At least the latest of those banner headlines “March If You Want Him Out” came with some very arch quotation marks, as the editorial inside underlined.
    The real message was “March If You Think You Will Achieve Anything.”
    I imagine the Chronicle editorial team thought Ashley would understand it filling a few live pages pages on a quite Saturday with nothing that rocked the boat too much.
    If it thought it had editorial independence before, it needs to prove it now.

  • 322 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas 49s
    Tomorrow’s Agenda in the Journal sketches out the damage Ashley’s approach has inflicted the club. #nufc

  • 323 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    looks like the chron is going to take up the fight 313 above
    about bloody time to
    expose this parasite who has infected our beloved club

  • 324 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM


    i doubt it very much, but does that account for all the 13mil?

    if it does its a disgrace by the club, if it doesn’t some questions need to be answered by those in charge of generating this revenue

  • 325 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    TS…i gotta tell you if there ever was a person I couldn’t figure out it’s Mike Ashley…and tads lol

  • 326 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Ciaran – 296

    FCB may have very well opened pandora’s box and will now have no say in what is unearthed and printed in full details.

    What a brilliant own goal by the rotund one!!!

  • 327 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM


    The only argument could be that since our relegation we’ve been unable to command the same sort of commercial deals that we were once able to secure. And perhaps Ashley isn’t as shrewd a negotiator as some people make him out to be. Maybe he could command a higher price when it comes to advertising, but doesn’t want us to be raking it in, there would be louder calls for him to spend some cash if we were in over 10 million quid profit every year.

    Notice how when we’ve been told that we cannot compete with the top sides, or even Southampton, that reference is always made to the difference in commercial income, and no other type of income? Could it be a deliberate strategy to have an “ace in the sleeve” to blind the fans who don’t really understand accounts?

  • 328 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM

  • 329 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    you just have to look at all the sd advertising around the ground to know how much revenue we have missed out on

  • 330 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    JB…long live photoshop 😀 lol

  • 331 Ciaran // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM


    As BandB rightly pointed out, the local journalists have been presented with a wonderful opportunity to break from the reputation as Ashley’s dogsbodies and actually represent the situation for how it is for most Newcastle United fans. They may never have a better chance to unite the fans behind them as the papers who stand up for them again, they need to get this right. The bold front page headlines and sensationalism that will inevitably go with this public feeling will disappear, the question is, when the ban is lifted (as it obviously will at some point) will they still rock the boat or return to the yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir approach re the club?

    Ashley have cocked up big time though, and if the press and T4C can capitalise while public feeling is intense then the pressure cooker will really intensify on Ashley.

  • 332 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM


    I’m not sure what the reason for it could be, it must be down to incometence from somebody involved in those deals, ashley or somebody he appoints.

    Even if we made a 10 mil extra, pure profit it wouldn’t bother ashley if we wanted him to spend it, he’d just keep it in the club or take it for his loan, cant see him giving in to fan pressure to spend even if we made 100mil profit a year

  • 333 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I’d be amazed if SD are paying for it as well. Doubt it would account for the 13 million lose but it would account for a fair chunk of it.

    But how much is it worth to SD itself? Either way Ma comes out the winner in the equation

  • 334 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    ashley needs blinding

  • 335 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:56 PM


    Thought you’d like it mate 😀

  • 336 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:57 PM


    Alright, Ashley Adonis is photoshopped. But “Ignore Anita” is genuine mis en scene.

  • 337 Jail for Ashley // Oct 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    For all those that would like the Chronicle to highlight the pettiness of this ban a little e mail from a few people wouldn’t do any harm
    If you cant march take five minutes to send an e mail

  • 338 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    ashley has broke this club and he cant/wont fix it

  • 339 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    BandB…I would guess so was “Win Derby” 😉

    JB…something else I think people missed, there is a tactical sheet in front of Pardew! We all know Pardew doesn’t do tactics 😉 lol

  • 340 Jail for Ashley // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    I just can’t for the life of me understand from years of signing top players and the wages that go with that and build on the top stadiums in the country yet only got 86M in debt, yet after six years of frugal spending and a profit in the transfer market we have a further 50M of debt which doesn’t seem to decrease, where pray tell is the money going.

  • 341 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    i’ve said a few times here that i like anita but dont think he has a position as he is neither offensive or defensive and his main attribute, the simple pass, is something all our players should be able to do.

    But what i haven’t been able to understand is why he doesn’t get a sniff in the side when sissoko does who has been poor all year.

  • 342 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    in the fat whallers deep pockets or offshore account in the name of his dog parpup

  • 343 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM


    I think the book cases were probably photoshopped too.

    Mind you, if this had been Kinnear’s office they’d have had to photoshop in a phone. God knows what else on his desk they’d have had to photoshop out.

  • 344 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    The ref in the Watford game must be blind

  • 345 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    having listened to what Newcastle legend has had to say about mike Ashley.
    my thought now is why not just accept a few years in the championship and attempt to rebuild the team exactly the same way Southampton look to have rebuilt their team.

    the things we aim at Ashley are just making it harder and harder every single year.

    mega billionaires are very rare and that’s a fact. Manchester united still have glazers and Liverpool just got a different American as did sunderland and Blackburn got another awful owner after venkies.

    instead of protesting and abanding games if we are all so loyal why not follow in the footsteps of Barcelona or the second option is get out of a globally popular premier league where money is so large and advertment is so easy, into a championship or league 1 where their is very little more or tv. instead their it is about so much more passion in the manager team and also most owners.

    finally their is the option where we all shut up and and keep quiet with how Ashley treats the club fans and manager because as long as the media are publishing protests and stories about poor transfer windows and not backing managers. their is no way any manager with a decent record so far would risk that record when he can see how much fight their is between fans and owner+manager.

    even Malcolm himself said to me i’m stupid for expecting a owner to walk through the door. the only owner who will see stories and protests and feel sorry for us is a mega rich Geordie. as for the rest well they don’t care at all. otherwise united arsenal and Liverpool would have been owner by one before us but they don’t have aribs

  • 346 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:08 PM


    It beggers belief doesn’t it.

    I understand people say look at the accounts, nothing taken out but here are so many clever and legal ways to move money around its impossible for us average joe’s to know the truth.

  • 347 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Transfer Sage

    The Sissoko situation is the same as the one we’ve had with Jonas and Tiote. there are certain players at the club who will always play if fit……………simple as that

  • 348 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    jail for Ashley

    all our money is going into SD PROFITS
    which in turn makes the fat controller look good to the shareholders.

  • 349 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:11 PM


    good and bad points there in my view

    I think if mega-rich person looking to buy a club sees this turmoil they may see it as an opportunity to try and get the club a bit cheaper to take it off the current owners hands.

    If they are mega-rich and want to spend they will know fans will give them time as they ‘saved the club’ from ashley and if they are willing to spend they have nothing to fear from the fans as we will back them.

    What it does do is make owners like venky’s think twice about buying us as they know we won’t settle for mediocrity and under spedning.

  • 350 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM


    sports direct makes so much money that even 20mil a year from newcastle wouldn’t make much difference to them.

    I dont think our money is going to sports direct, i just think the club is useless at making money now.

  • 351 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    BandB…a photo of JFK’s office now that could be fun…or frightening!

    …I wouldn’t want to be a fly on that wall.

  • 352 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM


    don’t forget this man is a money making machine so the toon is making money but that fat parasite is hiding it

  • 353 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    Kinnear doesn’t have an office he’s a Neanderthal who works out of a cave

  • 354 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    you would have to photoshop kinnear onto it

  • 355 John Tudor // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    wheres the money gone

  • 356 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    TS….what I don’t understand is why so many (almost everyone) of our players are performing so bad?

    …one could argue then why are they being picked game after game?

    I often wonder why nothing at Newcastle in consistent other than inconsistency 😉

  • 357 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Kinnear doesn’t have an office, Its more of a den where he lives with al of the other Yeti’s .

  • 358 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:19 PM


    And rotate him upright.

  • 359 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:19 PM


    true, but at least others like benny, cabaye, remy, tiote have had the odd good game or at least good spells in games

    sissoko has been a passenger all year, remember when he first came in and he played that great ball through to cisse in the away win to villa on his debut, or the way he burned ashley cole…what has happened to him

    but anita has been consistent so for me deserves a start

  • 360 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Ciaran, @330 – when this broke yesterday I spent a bit of time looking at various comments from Twitter, Facebook on The Chronicle and there were some very astute observations on there.

    The one that caught my attention was a one game stay-away, preferably a televised game at SJP so we can watch at the pub!!

    The repercussions would reverberate throughout world football; It could end up costing MA huge compensation claims, but would prove to ALL owners – you really cannot subject the paying customer with the level of contempt we are shown by our owner.

    Just picture the Sky camera showing an empty SJP as Manure take to the pitch; the impact would be unbeatable – screw the fans at your own peril. A message so loud and clear not even MA could ignore it!!!

  • 361 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    also jut looked on prem league site and it says marvoux is fit…wonder why he isn’t even making the bench

  • 362 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I’ve said it for longer than I care to remember but not single one player has progressed under Pardew

    Tiote, Cabaye, Cisse HBA etc, etc all looked top class when they came in but have all gone backwards

  • 363 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    I dont even want a mega billionaire owner to spend Billions and then leave us in the lurch

    I want an owner to come in who wants to run us like a proper football club which has a style of play that can be recognized and admired world wide ! I want us to produce youngsters and bring them up to play a certain way and challenge the big boys , teams such as Dortmund, Ajax, Porto, Atletico Madrid, Arsenal and Spurs are the way I want my teams to play and act

    Just be run properly and tell the fans what is actually happening (I know Arsenal sometimes dont but they play good football)

    Its not that difficult even for Ashley to turn it around all it requires is a new manager and a director of football who know what they are doing we already have a good scouting system in place

  • 364 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM


    i don’t think many fans would be up for that but a possibility which could have some legs is getting all fans to protest outside the ground then to go into the game 10/15mins late

    get the TV impact of empty stadium for a bit but paying fans with season tickets still get 75 mins of football.

    massive impact, shows its a protest as well and not just a poor turn out

  • 365 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:26 PM


    a little unfair…perch came on loads…but then kinnear sold him

  • 366 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Transfer Sage

    One player from how many???

  • 367 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    but machester united have got the glazers still and the first couple of years their was uproar everyone wanted them out and it is a fact that machester united will always be the biggest club in England so if their are still stuck with a horrid owner called glazers, why would we be different.

    the truth is their is hardly any decent owners in the world of football because at the end of the day football is now all about money and owners know they will have to pile masses of it into a club which is a massive risk.

    only 2 clubs have had good success from billionaires and they are city and Chelsea.
    on the other hand QPR leeds Portsmouth Middlesbrough sunderland and Newcastle under shepard are just some of the many clubs that didn’t get the right players.

    their is 5 great international teams spain Germany brazil and to a lesser extent Holland and argentina.
    yet their is 20 teams in a lot of leagues in Europe and these days it take £50mil+ to buy just 1 great player or wages ofover 120K per players to get him.

  • 368 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    how about a full page advert in the daily nationals begging for someone to rescue are club.
    a passionate plea from the fans an open letter anything to get rid

  • 369 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:32 PM


    Where I sat, no-one DID’NT come in 15 minutes late. Shuffling past, full of Stella and apologies.
    Would anyone notice?

  • 370 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    TS…that’s why I have been arguing for a long time that something is definitely not right!

    …I don’t even understand why Cissé is so bad?

  • 371 Offkey // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    Regarding the journo ban. Premiere league rules talk about provision of media facilities . Rule K13 states the following
    1.At each League Match, the Home Club shall provide press facilities to the following minimum standard:
    2. 50 press seats located near the press working area in the stadium and giving a good view of the pitch;

    Surely there is at least a weak argument for the papers here. If journo’s got together (through union action or something), and got only 48 Journo’s to attend, its arguable that a refusal to allow two more enter amount to a breach, guess it sort of swings on the definition taken on ‘shall provide’.

  • 372 Graeme // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    TS @ 362 – missing one game is a miniscule amount to give up if it has the impact it should generate. The fans can watch at home, in the pub, wherever so wont miss the game.

    Add the lost non-season ticket holders money, to the lost revenue from bar, catering etc; add in the compensation claims from all the suppliers etc – it would cost MA an absolute fortune and send out a message it would be impossible to ignore. It would be on every tv screen world-wide, every newspaper, it would be an international news story beyond belief.

  • 373 Offkey // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    *Rules for 12/13 as I couldnt find this years

  • 374 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:37 PM


    the glaziers aren’t great but still get them players like van persie and they make record deals for sponsorship and still win titles.

    I’m not asking for a chelsea, city, psg style owner…just an owner who is competent and has the clubs interest before any other.

    Also man utd is worth billions so hard to find a new owner willing to pay that much, we could be bought for 250/300 mil which is much easier to pay for.


    just a bit tongue in cheek mate, i know what you mean


    what? confused me? you mean the liverpool game? I was meaning for a future protest.

  • 375 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    @ Sage

    On Marveaux :

    I reckon Pardew has a serious personal gripe with him . I think he is a silky player and is probably on par with Cabaye for vision and passing, maybe even better .

    One of our biggest problems is we don’t create chances . And we have Marveaux (with the most assists last season) that can’t even get on the bench FFS . It is ridiculous . Also Cisse seems to enjoy playing with Sylvain and he seems to score more when he is on the pitch.

    Marveaux should have a run of games like Obertan did to show what he can do rather than the odd game here and there.

  • 376 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    if you want an empty stadium here is a easy way to do that
    start becoming racist to mike Ashley

  • 377 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM


    only wish it could happen..would be massive

  • 378 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    I don’t understand the opposition to boycotting a game?

    Yes you’ve paid for the season ticket, but you are paying to watch dross and you’ll continue to watch dross and be treated with contempt until something is done to get shot of the man making all the decisions at the club.

    A protest by a mere 300 fans had backfired in Ashley’s face with how the club have reacted to the local press just imagine the reaction to a full boycott???

  • 379 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:41 PM


    I agree but a lot of people like to go to the game, never got 50,000 to stay away, but might get a higher percentage to miss the first ten minutes than the whole game. Just my thoughts, i might be wrong.


    they are still providing 50 seats, just banning a few papers. Man utd have done this for years with anyone critical of sir alex. it’s not new but it’s certainly not something I want to see at my club.

  • 380 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM


    I know but a lot of peple have been going for 30/40 years and will say they have seen much worse in the past, which sis probaby true and they just want to support their team. I understand that.

    Big pappa

    I do understand the problems with marv, i don’t think he pull his weight, but id at least have him on the benhc. would have been ideal for 20 mins at sunderland towards the end to unlock there defence when they were packing the box and playing tight.

  • 381 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    JB…the problem with football today is nobody wants to give up anything – season tickets holders have already paid good money maybe for year to come!

    …everyone is complaining, but they don’t want to give up their seat. And this is easy for me to say cause I don’t even have a seat – but it’s still the truth 😉

  • 382 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:45 PM


    well that is something that will never ever happen unless you can find a Geordie

    at the end of the day owners are buissness man they don’t care about their customers they don’t care about workers all they care about is money.

    if owners were passionate about their club I can tell you this much England would be a much better team internationally because like Germany and spain our owners would build the team right from the bottom.

    it’s like the premier league that doesn’t care one bit about England all it cares about is getting the sporsors and tv commercial otherwise it would be doing all it can to help our country.

    English football in general is now in a total mess.

  • 383 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    The question I ask is would Marveaux do more or less than Gouffran ? .

    Also Pardew has mugged Anita off again despite not putting a foot wrong . Tiote has done well yes but to be put straight back into the team is unfair IMO .

    I just find it really sad two of our most technically gifted players are wasting away on the bench under Pardew the clown .

    My team from now on would be :




  • 384 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I understand that side of it but nothing will change as long as apathy allows the likes of Ashley to continue doing whatever he wants with no recourse

    “In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing.”

    From Edward Burke.

  • 385 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:47 PM


    Its a fact of life at SJP.
    People come shuffling in 10 to 15 minutes late for every game. By the time they have shuffled past to their seats they are either bursting for a pee, or wishing they’d bought a pie to offset the beery nibbles.

    Ten minutes before half time, they head off for a pee and a pie. After which they buy more beer, which makes them 10 minutes late for the second half.
    Ten minutes before full time, they rush off to beat the queue at bar of their choice. Which is ten deep by the final whistle.

    These are true, observed facts.

  • 386 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:49 PM


    i disagree…plenty of other clubs care about the fans, they do things to include them and listen. All clubs can’t send huge money but they treat fans with respect.

    For all ashleys bad he makes tickets quite cheap and there is a good system to get cheaper away tickets in place. So there is some good there too.

    And as for the national team…there is plenty of talent coming through now…sturidge, jenkinson, gibbs, caulker, barkley, wilshire, redmond, morrison, townsend, ince…thats off the top of my head…plus a lot more at younger levels.

    English football isn’t as hopeless as the media make it out.

  • 387 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM


    If the fans were to boycott the first half of a game it would have a massive impact, but if people simply sit back and allow things to carry on then nothing will change

  • 388 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    my team from now on is….


  • 389 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    JB…and that is what’s happening as we speak; and why Ashley is getting away with murder!

  • 390 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM


    True but its not that many, and when at games or watching on TV its not something you really notice. You see people moving in the aisles and going down steps but the ground still looks pretty full.

    I’m talking about a good 15,000-30,000 all outside singing for ten minutes then making their way into the ground, that would stand out a heck of a lot more


    Very good quote, and i’m not saying i wouldnt encourage people to make a stand, just that i dont realistically think we would get 30,000 fans or more willing to stay away.

  • 391 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM

  • 392 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Jb…but Asley is going nowhere unless someone shows him the money!

    …and I would prefer the supporter’s trust to be involved – something ala Swansea!

  • 393 JackButler // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM


    We need to force his hand one way or another and sitting back will not achieve this. As for the supporters Trust, the club are simply paying them lip service, sad but true in my own humble opinion

  • 394 Mister Tuff // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    I checked out the Chronicles’ proposed front page for tomorrow -wow -they are well and truly going on the offensive – if it is published and no back room appeasement deals are done. If they publish that page they have well and truly committed themselves to being banned for a long time -they will have taken up a position to do battle with the regime for the foreseeable future. If they do a quick reversal no-one will think they have any credibility left.
    The Toon management – self inflicted wounds orchestrated by a troop of buffoons. They have allowed the public a sneak preview of their management skills. A shower of fools -get them out the Toon.

  • 395 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    I’m not sure what team i’d like to see if i’m honest.

    Obviously Krul would be in goal.

    Then the two fullbacks pick themselves, debuchy and santon, both look better recently by controlling when they attack and not both bombing on every time.

    The CB is an issue, I’d go Colo with taylor…nothing against mbiwa but i think you need a calm/skillful CB and a rough/tough one and I do rate saylor despite his occasional madness.

    Midfield is the tricky issue for me, a lot of options with people playing a few positions. I’d probably have one holding player in tiote. I’d have anita and cabaye both a little higher with more license to attack. Then i’d like a fluid front three of remy, cisse and ben arfa.

    But i’d also like to squeeze marvoux in there too. So possibly drop cisse, have remy central and go with hba and marv either side, allowed to cut in or go wide.

  • 396 BandB // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Apathy is a very strong human emotion. It is stronger than hatred, because hatred requires commitment and effort.
    People will drift away naturally as they reach the individual limits of their own tolerance, and none of the exhortations of others will have speed it up or slow it down greatly.
    Lack of curiosity will kill Ashley’s cat.

  • 397 fatman // Oct 28, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    if the chron plays their cards its up to the public to buy the papers and back them, i will go and buy all the papers at my local shop.

  • 398 Offkey // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    TS – I know of Man u bans at press conferences and that he would not interview for the BBC after a game (but a member of his staff would usually, Phelan from memory) ***my knowledge of Man U doesnt go much further**
    but these dont relate to seats at games which is something I have only heard from the NUFC reporters, who have said specifically they wont get them.

    In any case, I didn’t think it was a great argument. However, where does it become a breach then, can I ban all but 1 paper/Journo but say the seats are here and available so I am still providing them. It doesn’t seem in the spirit of the rules and it is something they would then have to probably tighten up if challenged – plus gives everything a bit more national coverage.

  • 399 maximan23 // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I posted a pic of it earlier in the post and lets hope they have finaly seen the light and take on the fight for the fans

  • 400 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    JB…don’t get me wrong I totally agree with you!

    *I would even go so far to support that fans didn’t turn up for home games, but only for away games! Players might not like it, but we all have to make sacrifices!

  • 401 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM


    man utd with the bbc was a battle for a long time. it had something to do with a bbc documentary on corruption and involved alex’s son i think.

    But as bbc paid tv money, for highlights, they had an obligation to give an interview which is why an assistant did it…but eventually sir alex had to give the interview after a lengthy battle.

    Some tv companies, and i guess papers will have sponsorship rights and as part of the money they pay the prem league will be entitled to a seat which the club cannot stop them from having.

    However local papers share no such protection and as a result are an easy target.

  • 402 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    the full fact of this argument but is we have been so anti Ashley ever since kevin keegan walked out which you could say is not passionate for a manager who we say loves the club so much because the real managers who I think was most passionate was hughton who did all he could to help us get promote when he could quite simply have said fcuk you i’m not letting myself get embaressed and look like a puppet.

    i’m never ever going to be a fan of Ashley but for a club that has been up for sale since 2009 to still not have got a owner. face it fcuking owners are only worried about money and nothing else we can protest all we like and abandon stadiums but what will that do just give the image of a club in a total state and would take years to rebuild.

  • 403 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Also another point is we have looked better going forward when Anita is in the team Sissoko and him combined well for a few games in a row that got shelved after the Everton game even though Anita was not to blame for any of it !

    You dont need a team full of tall midfielders to do well in this league look at Swansea and Arsenal

    Tiote has done well when he has come back he is back to his best but its not good enough when it comes to breaking the opposition down great for when defending yes but he was guilty of fannying about for too long on the ball thats not going to change he has always done that

    Sissoko should be the one to drop out and give Anita, Cabaye and Tiote a go as a 3 still think its criminal as well is that we have a ready made no 10 who can create in Marveux who is lucky if he has had 20 mins in his whole time here in his correct position but is asked to do the wing role which is not his position and when he does not track back gets abuse whereas the golden boy Arfa is expected (by some) to do no work at all ! They are very similar players but i also feel Marveux probably cant be bothered playing here anymore cant blame him why try when you get bombed out the team no matter how well you play ? His assists last season ‘near the end got us a couple of wins that kept us up but by then he should have been a regular anyway

    All this chanting about Ashley and the press has taken the heat off Pardew again and the Sunderland game this regime is the master of the smoke screen

  • 404 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:08 PM


    the club was takn off the market years ago

  • 405 toonking // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    but that doesn’t make any difference because still every single year their is war going on between fans and Ashley I don’t think even 1 month has been able to avoid a headline about Ashley.

    so if you think a fcuking protest or abandoning a game can send out a signal that we need a new owner. WELL SO WILL ALL THEM PAPER STORIES THAT ARE PUBISHED OVER THE YEARS.


    so it won’t be any different with Newcastle.
    he owns the club so he is the one who chooses when to put the club up onto the markets we want to be in the league where so much TV money is so he is getting what he wants.

  • 406 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM


    still get a big chunk of income, 25/30% from tickets and match day revenue….we an hit him there with a sustained campaign.

    Even if it does nothing, its still go to show we dont approve of him.

  • 407 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Imagine if we had been bought by the mansours and not ashley, this could have been us.

    Also my favourite moment and game in prem history.

  • 408 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    i think a boycott of the games are not too far away , i am all for them – but hang on a minute- before all you fans who believe your the most dedicated nufc fan that ever lived, pop up to bellow ‘ your not a true fan if you would do something like that and upset the team- fear not, ashley and his slaves have done a perfectly good job of that them selves , too b oycott and get rid of this cretin would only put the players out of their misery, coz they know as long as ash is in charge they will win nothing- do they really look forward to winning zilch???

  • 409 Transfer Sage // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Right guys thats me done for the night.

    Look forward to chatting tomorrow and to see if the chronicle goes with that front page.

  • 410 beddersmag // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    I think its fair enough the club have banned the chronicle. There has always been a cosy and mutually beneficial relationship which the paper chose to jeopardise. I would assume they would have mentioned to the press office they were going with a 15 page spread (if what i have heard is correct). If so the club would have advised against it, advice they did not take. If they didnt even bother to mention it then its even more inflammatory. Not saying the chronicles argument is not fair or justified, but they chose to go down this avenue and can in no way be surprised at the result of their actions. The most worrying thing is how Ed will continue to manage churning out ten articles a day without their stories :-)

  • 411 jimmysmith // Oct 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Ashley does appear to have this siege mentality based on the belief, it seems to me, that he is misunderstood and misrepresented, and yet he has this seemingly excellent press officer, along with the club website to communicate his vision to the fans and to outline and clarify problems and hurdles needed to be overcome, and doesn’t use them.

    Why? Unless he does indeed have an agenda that won’t wash with fans.

    I think it’s also possible that somehow, despite this, he actually sees himself in the moral right, and is perhaps somewhat deluded, and this is possibly compounded by being surrounded by yes men or like minded men, who won’t, or can’t, point out any potential follies or flaws in his leadership.

    On the other hand, he may just have a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t,” attitude.

    Quite a mess!

  • 412 stuart no9 // Oct 28, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    i think the media should go all out attack on nufc, afterall they have nothing to lose now, so they might as well go for it, cause a war with the club – get the nationals involved and bring it on. there will only ne 1 winner , and it wont be the little fat hitler sitting in his office slugging bottles of lager down his fat throat.

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