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Injury Concerns Ahead Of Chelsea Game

10:40 am, Thursday, October 31st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 80 Comments

Do you remember back in December 10th, 2011 when we had most of our center backs out injured,  and Danny Simpson and James Perch played in central defense at newly promoted Norwich, and they  put in high crosses all the time and we lost that game 4-2?

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Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa - played well last night

We seem to be short of center-backs again,  after last night’s exit from the Capital One Cup, and both Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, who played a solid game,  and Paul Dummett picked up knocks, and we already have both Steven Taylor and Fab Coloccini out injured and said to be very doubtful for Saturday.

Centre back Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa picked up a knock last night, and Paul Dummett  has a hamstring injury, and both are unlikely to play on Saturday against Chelsea, according to reports.

The players will be assessed  today by Newcastle’s medical staff, and maybe we’ll find out what the injury situation is tomorrow, when Alan Pardew is due to  give his press conference for the Chelsea game.

At least Mike Williamson is fit,  but if Colo, Steven Taylor, Yanga-Mbiwa and Paul Dummett are not fit, then who will come in at center-back?

Newcastle are again leaking too many goals this season, and we’ve always thought we need another top class center-back in the squad , if only because Colo and Steven Taylor seem to pick up so many injuries during a season.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Fabricio Coloccini · Injuries · Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa · Mike Williamson · Newcastle News · Steven Taylor



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80 responses so far ↓

  • 1 catchy in norway // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    “We’ve got to hope we get the breaks against Chelsea. If we play like that every week, we’ll be OK.” “If can hit the levels we hit against City, we’ve got a chance against Chelsea.”

    the guy is an ass,

    we play like this once in a blue moon you idiot, we all know we have the ability,

    you have to force your luck sometimes in life, you carnt complain about not winning the lottery if you don’t buy a ticket, and nor can you complain about losing if your not prepared to go out and attack for the win,

    sitting back and playing keep ball is not going to win games numpty

    and that’s the galling truth

  • 2 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Did yanga pick up a knock?

  • 3 Graeme // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Could anyone over 6′ 4″, reasonably fit & healthy, please turn up early on Saturday and please bring your boots – you might be playing against Chelsea.

    It is rumoured that there will be NO charge, if selected to play!!!

  • 4 Scottiedog // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Drop Cisse and start Shola. Put the two Adams on the bench!!

  • 5 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    yes tads he hurt his arse sitting down to let citeh score their first goal

  • 6 toon1707 // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Might get to streete on the bench heard really good things about him but never seen him play myself

  • 7 toonbrother // Oct 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    i still dont know why dummett came on for haidara. Was he (haidara) injured? if not it was a completely unnecessary sub

  • 8 toonbrother // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    Mbiwa redeemed himself in my book. Keeping Man Citys strikers at bay for 90 mins is no mean feat. When the goal came I think our boys were simply exhausted. If hes fit I would start him and Willo again on Saturday.

  • 9 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    I’m 6’5″. Can I get a game? :-)

  • 10 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    citys second string were always comfortable and pellegrini had a couple of top trumps sat on the bench

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Could this be the man

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2478559/Sean-Dyche-ginger-Mourinho-transformed-Burnley-Championship.html

    Can’t believe how Shola has his usual 1 good game in 10 and everyone wants him to start !! Shola = 442 hoof ball which may come off occasionally but he’s not a 90 min man who can gel with Remy.

    What about Remy in the centre with Marv and Benny either side in a 433 or even playing a sweeper in a 352 or 343.

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    catchy

    It really doesn’t sound very professional when a manager comes out and says ” we’ve got to hope”
    What next ” fingers crossed” !!!!!!

  • 13 Ciaran // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    We’re in a little bit of trouble here folks. We’ve been relatively injury free and our squad is already being tested. 2 really tough games followed by 2 must win home games. Interesting set of fixtures coming up.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Chelsea play football so not such pressure for a 6ft, 5” CH

  • 15 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    rotonda

    i think dyche would rather try to over achieve with burnley than under achieve with assleys football version of les miserables

  • 16 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    toonbrother…They said Haidara was injured.

    Ciaran…Aye, it doesn’t look too promising. We must be nearing December!

    Would it be a defeatist attitude to use the next two games as experiments then? For me, the biggest issue Pardew has to face the next two games is to now allow the players heads to completely drop.

  • 17 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Have the supporters of Ashley now come to realise that they have been on the wrong horse. I dont care if people like Darnsarf hide behind the anti ashley extremists on this site , they are still wrong, or else they just dont love the club like the rest of us. I speak as a non geordie ( although I was once told I was an adopted one ! ) and one who was listening to the radio as a child when we played Bastia all those years ago ( and lost ) . I’m getting really fed up with this mediocrity. The centre half situation says it all. A patent lack of investment from a stupid ignorant owner who has really only succeeded in getting rid of high wager earners ( well done, but it didnt take genius ) , and killed the natural buoyancy of the fans. An absolute shame. But hey, he’s the best owner we’ve ever had and he hasnt changed the name or the stripes, so we should be grateful.

  • 18 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10415532/Derek-Llambias-rejects-chance-for-Rangers-chief-executive-role.html

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Rotonda

    It’s not that I think shola is part of our best team but he is part of our best team with pardew.

    With playing deep and not really using a passing game well at all using shola with remy up top runnin behind might be the way we get the best from pardew if that makes sense.

    Is obviously prefer a manager like pochettino who plays better football just I think we are more dangerous under pardew in 442 with shola. Let’s face it, he’s not going to set them up to play brilliant passing stuff, we’ve seen it. And i can’t see him getting sacked…so whilst he’s here maybe we should make the best of a bad situation?

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Also we are a keeper and CB away from a full French 11

    Not important just wanted to say

  • 21 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Much of our problems stem from Pardews inability to motivate. Apart from the Sunderland mess ( again ) , we rarely look at iff all the players are motivated. Most might be – but not all. Did you see the state of Cabaye last night? Very little effort at tackling, but still picks up a yellow for petulance. Guys like Sissoko and Gouffy are rarely both fully “up for it” . From my viewings of the first half, Sissoko did very little all half. And his purchase still comes down to a principal I brought up ages ago – do we buy players to suit the playing style as directed by the manager, or do we just strike when we see value? I think we all know the answer. Incidentally, Anita HAS to start more games – a fine player.

  • 22 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Munster….I know the answer! Pick me! Pick me!

    Agree on Anita. I don’t think he’s much use as an impact sub, he needs to start games.

  • 23 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Something I mentioned to a pal ages ago ….a big worry would be if we sack pardew ( no point, unless we get someone better ) , we will go for a good old british boss – as advised by Kinnear. My guess ? Big Eck….I mean he won a trophy with Brom didnt he?? Heeeeellllppp !!!!!

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Munster

    That’s a worry but would he do much worse than pardew? Just be more of the same.

    Hopefully we can go for somebody more modern, there’s a few British coaches like that too though, and a lot British based.

    I always forget his name but the guy who does his coaching in carrinean national sides and America I think too, the English AVB from what I read.

  • 25 stuart no9 // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    i said recently these 3 games are gioing to be vital , city chelsea spurs . we had a great chance to pick up a trophy this year but pards bottled it last night- playing cisse and leaving remy on bench .
    The 2 prem games are now a no brainer, best to hope for is damage limitation, – by the middle of nov we will be in the bottom 3, with a manager not knowing his arse from his elbow, we are in dire need of a miricle.

  • 26 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Munster…My issue with a new manager is that most forward thinking managers, whilst happy to work under tight constraints at times, they do want to be part of an ambitious set up. Something we certainly don’t appear to be.

    I just don’t see a replacement manager changing too much at all

  • 27 Belfast // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    I think somebody like Di Matteo or Steve Clarke could get far more out of the current crop of players.

    Playing players in their proper positions would be a great start like.

  • 28 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    munster

    is it any surprise the players arent up for it when they hear the owner doesnt want to win a cup they must be thinking well may your wish be granted lets go through the motions and pick up our wages

  • 29 Belfast // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    So Ibiza did we draw or lose last night ?? :)

  • 30 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Belfast…Both! :)

  • 31 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Wolfshead…Maybe the same sentiment could be applied to the manager?

    Personally I am of the opinion that each and every one of our recruits, players and manager, have been sold this 5 year plan, which has slowly but surely been pulled apart since.

    It’s just about paydays at this point, I think.

  • 32 catchy in norway // Oct 31, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Chelsea will be hard, they looked very good the other night

    we should all start preying today

  • 33 belgrade fan // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Am I the only one who thinks our season is finished yesterday?? Or our priority is FA Cup now? For sure we wont win it, wont be in first 5, so what is our goal now? And Im not going to lose my nerves waiting to see where shall we finish between 10 and 17 place. And thats all about supporting this club

  • 34 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    TADS

    I understand that Campbell came back because that club had a striker come back early from injury and he wasn’t going to get a game. No point in sending him out on loan to sit on the bench, he may as well keep training with our reserves, so it’s down to a Championship or League One club thinking that he’s better than what they have.

    Agree with you on the other players too. Then there’s others like Newton, Armstrong, Streete etc. who have time to break through. I wonder what has happened to Bigi too? Looked good in a few games but totally out of the picture recently.

  • 35 Belfast // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Oh no just read that the fatigue is setting in. Haha

    He should have been a politician that bloke…

  • 36 Rotonda heights // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Let’s be honest we haven’t got a bad squad and the SIX quality players in January and Remy now didn’t just magic themselves here.

    Truth is you could give Pardew Messi and he’d probably play him right wing back and order him to track back.

    We have low grade drinking buddies of Ashley’s in key positions, ie manager and D.O.F. For that and rejecting the Mansoors for pure selfish greed and accepting Wonga as a sponsor I hold Ashley in utter contempt.

    However, it’s Pardew’s inate ability to turn good players bad almost overnight seemingly that ranks with me the most.

    Ibiza

    Sorry to see that non story re – Llambias. Really thought we could be on to something there.

    Sage

    People got really sick of the 442 last year. It really didn’t produce anything other than a 16 th place finish. It may have looked effective for 20 mins in a winner take all one off contest but over a season would drag us down even further if that were possible.

    I think we should be looking at Spain for both manager and players. Either that or get a French manager to manage a French team. Alternatively Solksjaer or Bergkamp would drive themselves here for the chance. Well before speaking with JFK that is !!

  • 37 daztoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Once again Under Pardew we finish the game like the away side hanging on,rather than the home side going for the win.

    We had both Remy and Obertan on the bench but again Pardew goes for a five man midfield which hasn’t worked on previous meetings v City and again failed.

    Like Ashley the man doesn’t learn from his mistakes

  • 38 mushy // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    I’ve been thinking (cue witty response)….

    The consensus seems to be that Pardew is mediocre at best and a young, forward thinking, better manager could get so much more out of the current squad. Well, I for one agree wholeheartedly. But here’s the rub. What impact would that have on management’s thinking? Would they push-on and go for European involvement, or would they see the improved return on their investment as a way of spending less to achieve the status quo ie mid-table lucrative mediocrity?

    Sad to say, I know which option I predict.

    I was at that Bastia game. Jonny Rep tore us apart.

  • 39 belgrade fan // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    Nobody to answer me? Whats our goal? When you guys watch games, what shall you think- god, if we win we will push for 5th place or god we are safe in 15th position?? is that all about?

  • 40 Spreadthetoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    Got to watch the match last night….

    I felt that Citeh massively underperformed…..but as soon as they brought on Silva they looked like a different team. We were playing some very unattractive football, with loads of long balls and not enough balls along the ground. There is no width and our attacking prospects were impotent without the presence of Cabaye and HBA who transformed the game. The reality is we should have won this game……but became unstuck with some terrible defending AGAIN. AP offers nothing to this team of players on either the attacking or defending front. Sorry but based on this performance which was an improvement on the scum performance…AP still needs to go!

  • 41 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    For the people complaining constantly, can they please just focus on the key problems?
    1 – Mike Ashley’s (and therefore the club’s) terrible interaction with the fans – demonstrated by alienating local media
    2 – Mike Ashley’s inflexible approach to signing players that means he will only sign someone for a cracking deal even if failing to runs the risk of ruining our season
    3 – Mike Ashley’s insistence to appoint people from within his circle rather than the best person for the job (says paranoia to me)
    4 – Mike Ashley failing to communicate a clear message on where the club is going and how we intend to get there

    These are the key issues, yet people still bang on about KK (it was wrong to hire him in the first place), Shearer (from what I understand he demanded too much money for transfers), Wonga (the time to protest was immediately), relegation (everyone at the club is to blame), SD sponsorship (this is chicken feed and a lot less than the interest would be on the loan), not investing his own money (most owners don’t), saying the league is the focus (that’s true for every PL club until they are safe/in Europe), Pardew (he’s doing the best he can) etc.

  • 42 Belfast // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    I actually thought we played well until he took Ameobi off.

    The football wasn’t great but he was winning everything in the air. Once we started to play it on the deck a bit, Man City looked comfortable. Anytime Ameobi plays shit (which is most games) he keeps him on the pitch lol

    And surely Anita has to start next game.

  • 43 Ciaran // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Yawn…

  • 44 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    I’m surprised re Bigi, but think he will become a decent player. Wolf and Co …I agree re Pardew. I wouldnt sack him unless we could do better. Problem is that the owner is too stupid and wont loo outside of the usual suspects i think. Funnily enough, now he doesnt even have the snake oil salesman to do his PR. Do u remember when we did well ( maybe when we signed the french guys ? ) . Llambias was everywhere doing interviews. He is a useless owner and I fully support the march against him. In fact, another one is needed as clearly he doesnt react to pressure well. At the end of the day, he has zero ambition for NUFC so it doesnt matter if we have a good p+L account. I’d rather be in debt ( like most clubs ) with ambition , than be clean financially and bereft of hope. Fore the first time in my life I could consider giving up on NUFC ( football is a nasty business anyway with horribly overpain players and cheating officialdom ) , and thats because we lack tangible ambition. We have no reason to dream or aspire, but still the dighnuts will come on this site saying we could have ended up like Leeds etc. Your club is being ridden by a fat bastard selling track suits. Like many of you, i gre up with Supermac, Paul Goddard ( thank you Paul! ) , Gazza, Waddle, Keegan etc etc. David Kelly v Portsmouth. Grimsby away etc etc. Feyenoord, 5-0 v Man U. I remember Liverpool murdering us when i was a teenager, and the Geordies booming through the TV set _ ” We’ve got more fans than you, Liverpool, Liverpool ” Do you remember those days? There was pride and belief – passion in a region ( yes, for me too. I have great respect for Newcastle as a place ) , a bit of geordie rebellion , occasionally beating the big boys, but always impressing with our noise and passion. Now there is advertising and marketing – for Sports Direct. And accountancy on here, by some. And no ambition . A crap atmosphere diluted further by the owner. We dont even want European football because it might force us to buy more players. Whats the point in being a passionate NUFC fan anymore??

  • 45 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Mushy – Respect mate! Rep – what a player.

  • 46 G // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    If Haidara is fit (Not read anything official about his injury yet) play him at LB and put Santon on the middle. It isn’t his strongest position, but we need bodies at the back, and I would rather play somebody with Prem experience than throw a sprog in at the deep end against Chelsea.

  • 47 Spreadthetoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Been said on here by loads of people….AP gets the worst out of our players. For example Sissoko is not and has never been an effective no.10 / or a decent flank player. Sissoko is a power house and better played from a deep position. I’d has Anita and Sissoko playing deep with Cabaye pushing further up the field…….but I guess I am not qualified to hold an opinion as AP is!!!!
    I feel strongly that APs tenure is coming to an end. He’s at best a mid-table manager……..and sorry you can harp on about MA and lack of investment (which I agree is very frustrating)…..but the reality is that with the players we have in our squad we should be playing between 6-8 in the premiership…..instead we’ll dance with relegation between 15th and 18th! FFS

  • 48 daztoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    No you bang on about KK and Shearer no one else

  • 49 mushy // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Munster, I fully sympathise with your despondancy, but I doubt you will ever give up on supporting Newcastle. I’ve spent my entire life lusting after women; it’s cost me a fortune and has achieved nothing but disappointmet, pain and heartache. But “give up”, Oh how I wish I could.

    You and me both, we’re doomed to a life of misery. Chin up.

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Rotonda…Typical, found something to be positive about and boom. Oh well, onwards and upwards…sort of.

  • 51 JackButler // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Any updates on the injury front lads?

  • 52 fatman // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    we are OK for Saturday remember Joe & Alan told us so, our squad is big enough.

  • 53 JackButler // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    fatman

    If we have Saylor, Colo, Mapou and Dummett out the next two games could see us ship a massive amount of goals.

  • 54 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Mushy I have found a new cyber mate ! Woman and Toon , what a combo in terms of lack of reward! You must be a lot older than me , so have even more wounds! The annoying thing about Ashlkey is that his model of running the club ( which has positives amongst the negatives ) is that it needs a good coach – possibly a young coach , and probably from the continent, as we source our players from there. But Kinnear will appoint big Eck or someone ! He doesnt like facking foreign johnnies innit?

  • 55 Jail for Ashley // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Yes,
    How dare the fans get upset for the owner sacking a legend for wanting what’s best for them, if only they’d sang we love you Mikey, we do, he’d have been spending millions a year and Hiddink would still be in charge.

  • 56 Munster Mag // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Incidentally, Beresford was on Irish radio for the Makems game. He’s a clueless muppet. I thought it was him ( rank accent ) , but he was so biased towards Sunderland that I thought it must have been one of their previous players! Sad to say.

  • 57 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    a fat bastard selling tracksuits lol

  • 58 SFC mackems // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    as we didn’t play last night I decided to watch that game expecting your team to suffer an easy thrashing. which I was surprised didn’t happen.

    never did I think I would be saying this but
    all I can say to pardew is do yourself a favour and get out of this sh.t club all they want is selfish French players.

    besides they will get what they want by loosing you and we ourselves will be so happy too with the great joy kingear now at Newcastle

    a Newcastle anthem
    oh lord save this greatious king

  • 59 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    JfA

    I don’t know if you’re just a bit simple or if you’re blinded by passion, but can you imagine this situation?

    You own a company and you employ a passionate and popular account manager. This account manager wants to spend loads of money (that you don’t have) giving your customers better service, free products, client entertainment etc. What do you do?

  • 60 daztoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Yawn

  • 61 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 31, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    I think even the biggest Pardew fans must be wondering what on earth Pardew was doing playing Cisse on the wing AGAIN last night. The guy has lost it, and the fact Marveaux wasn’t even on the bench is ridiculous.

    Last night we should have played something like :

    ——————Anita—————-Tiote——————–

    ——–Obertan———Marveaux———-Sissoko———

    —————————Cisse/Shola————————–

  • 62 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php?SKEY=ea4f95a6cb0efe6670764f6b681b5de7

    5 defenders injured…

  • 63 Mister Tuff // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    the passionate and popular account manager analogy.
    I’ll take a stab at this if you don’t mind.
    You should have full confidence in what your account manager suggest as his recommendations will lead to future great prosperity.
    You already trust your account manager as you have seen his CV, references, qualifications when you conducted the job interviews -along with the other candidates who were also interviewed.
    Therefore easy -you act upon the recommendations and borrow against the money (millions) you know will be in the bank in May. easy peasey.

  • 64 Dagga // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Went along to the match last night, first time I’ve been to St James’s in years – took my boys to their first match.

    My observations were;

    (a) Shocked at how dead the atmosphere was. Some sections tried all night to get chanting and songs going but 80% of stadium not playing ball.
    (b) How poor is Pappis Cisse?!? constantly straying offside. Thought you guys on here were being overly critical but dead right, my eight year old who lacks any kind of focus could have held the line better!
    (c) Gouffran is a grafter but I counted at least 3 total brain shut down moments that could easily have directly led to a City goal. Should be struggling to get a place in the first team at a club like Newcastle surely.
    (d)Biggest dissapointment for me was Sissoko. Thought I was going to see a big powerful performer but thought he had poor touch and vision all night and appeared to lack commitment in the challege The link up play between him and Debuchy was non existent, you would have thought they had met for the first time that night.
    (e) The discontent from those around me whenever Ben Arfa held onto the ball for more than 5 seconds – clearly the love affair is on the wain.
    (d) There was no belief in the team once the first goal went in which was a shame because whilst City’s skill levels were clearly superior we had more than matched them for effort up till that point.
    (e) My boys found the whole experience boring and so it will probably be a good while before I get the chance to get back up there!! A ringing endorsement of the team then!!!

  • 65 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Nice. Except you don’t.

    You ask your Account Manager to product a report demonstrating the amount of investment required, how it will be spend and what the returns are. If he can’t produce this then you realise that you made a mistake in hiring him and you sack him and get someone else in.

    KK wanted to provide something (attractive and successful football) that we (the fans) all want but it’s not our money that is spent, it’s the clubs.

    And anyone who says it’s our money because we spend this and spend that is nuts. If you buy a product then it doesn’t give you the right to dictate what they do with that product in future, you’ve paid your money and now it’s theirs. If the company is sensible then they consider the feedback of their customers to keep them happy, but customers have no right to dictate the path of the product.

  • 66 toon kk // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Dagga
    I agree with what you say.
    Imo too many fans over rate our average squad, I do think we could be better with the right training. We are one step above a championship side no more.

  • 67 Dagga // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Toon KK
    Yeah get a totally different impression of things seeing it first hand rather than through a TV screen. I thought the Club were being a bit odd when they said top 10 was the goal this year thinking top 6 or 8 had to be the aim but I think you are right we are at best an average squad and right now top 10 is probably as aspirational as we can be.

  • 68 ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Our squad isn’t one step above a championship side! Beyond the top 6, our squad is about a match for Everton’s (thought I think a fit Lukaku makes it more well rounded) and better than all the others.

    I’ve challenged people before to make a player by player comparison to any of the other 12 teams and tell us which is better, they’re not.

    We needed that damn striker to make our squad more well-rounded and be nailed on for top 8. Now we’re struggling for top 10. Still, I think no excuses – top 10 for Pardew this year or he needs to go.

  • 69 toon kk // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    TDS
    you keep talking about everything spent is the clubs money, which is true but remember people love this club and spend their hard earned cash on watching sh.t, they are tired with it all. Personally I think alot are crazy putting money in MA pocket until he shows some ambition.
    Perhaps we should be in the championship at least we could compete on and off the pitch.

  • 70 fatman // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Ashley employs a drunken pikey who announces his job on a radio show, and insults all the customers of that business not my way of running a business.

  • 71 Mister Tuff // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    TDS – unfortunately it’s just about impossible to use an analogy using the imaginary manager from the production or retail world. Such persons may be able to assess future trends, share prices. demand etc etc. the problem you have is that a football manager is in the entertainment business and as such cannot predict the future -such as main striker breaks a leg, team under perform, elements of team missing etc etc.
    Really not a reasonable analogy to use.

  • 72 Himanshu Dhingra // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    George Caulkin ?@CaulkinTheTimes 1h
    Pardew won’t take questions on Crystal Palace job. #Nufc say this is because suggestion is so ludicrous he doesn’t wish to give it credence.
    Retweeted by Graeme Bailey

  • 73 wolfshead@toon // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    hes waiting to see what offer they put on the table joes measuring up curtains right now :-)

  • 74 Ted Bundy // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Weren’t we in 11th place in the PL when Hughton got sacked in early December 2010?

    Will be interesting to see where we are placed after we lose our next 2 and Hughton rocks up with his Norwich side, almost 3 years on from his ignominious mistreatment.

    Would be rather poetic if his team were the ones to put the final nail in Pardew’s coffin.

    When you look at it like that too, our state now compared to then, some 3 years ago, we’re really going places people…

  • 75 danuneek // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    For me, having a left footed left back made a huge difference. Santon doesn’t offer any kind of final product going forward. I dont think I’ve ever seen him deliver a decent cross. He just cuts inside on his right foot and runs across the pitch. He’s not a bad player either, but I dont think he’s a left back. We need to find him a new position. Dummet delivered an early cross from his left without having to take any players on. Because it was delivered early he managed to get it in the space between their defense and keeper. Very dangerous ball.

    Cisse lost us the game yesterday. He had two very good chances and fluffed them both. All this talk of confidence etc.. and comparing his predicament with Torres is wrong. Torres is a good player, even when he isn’t scoring. Cisse offers nothing but goals, and when he isn’t scoring he offers nothing. He’s too slow to play off the shoulder, he’s lacks strength to hold the ball up, he lacks intelligence to play deeper or as a number 10, he doesn’t have the ability to take players on and he doesn’t know the offside rule.

  • 76 daztoon // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    For the people complaining constantly, can they please just focus on the key problems?
    1 – Mike Ashley’s (and therefore the club’s) terrible interaction with the fans – demonstrated by alienating local media
    2 – Mike Ashley’s inflexible approach to signing players that means he will only sign someone for a cracking deal even if failing to runs the risk of ruining our season
    3 – Mike Ashley’s insistence to appoint people from within his circle rather than the best person for the job (says paranoia to me)
    4 – Mike Ashley failing to communicate a clear message on where the club is going and how we intend to get there

    These are the key issues, yet people still bang on about KK (it was wrong to hire him in the first place), Shearer (from what I understand he demanded too much money for transfers), Wonga (the time to protest was immediately), relegation (everyone at the club is to blame), SD sponsorship (this is chicken feed and a lot less than the interest would be on the loan), not investing his own money (most owners don’t), saying the league is the focus (that’s true for every PL club until they are safe/in Europe), Pardew (he’s doing the best he can) etc.

    ToonDarnSarf // Oct 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Nice. Except you don’t.

    You ask your Account Manager to product a report demonstrating the amount of investment required, how it will be spend and what the returns are. If he can’t produce this then you realise that you made a mistake in hiring him and you sack him and get someone else in.

    KK wanted to provide something (attractive and successful football) that we (the fans) all want but it’s not our money that is spent, it’s the clubs.

    And anyone who says it’s our money because we spend this and spend that is nuts. If you buy a product then it doesn’t give you the right to dictate what they do with that product in future, you’ve paid your money and now it’s theirs. If the company is sensible then they consider the feedback of their customers to keep them happy, but customers have no right to dictate the path of the product.

    You have no idea what keegan wanted so stop banging on about it.
    Its you and only you who keeps harping on about Shearer and Keegan.Yet go on about everyone else .

    BORING

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Oct 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Fatman

    Trouble is we the fans are as bad as Pardew for just taking it and not saying ”we’ve had enough” a long time ago.

    I haven’t been back for over 2 years now and have no intention of supplementing this s..t, but others will sadly keep blindly doing so and wonder why things are how they are.

    dagga

    When my old man first took me as an 8 year old to SJP it was the biggest thing ever to me and I was hooked. It’s a horrible indictment that your lads found it boring and an awful commentary on a so-called entertainments business in the middle of a recession.

    I’m starting to think KK the first time round was really the pinnacle and will sadly now never be repeated under this shambolically run club with 52000 home fans!!

  • 78 Dagga // Oct 31, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Rotonda Heights

    Yeah totally gutted about my boys. But the lack of atmosphere didn’t help – there were people around me who are obviously regular attenders that spent the whole of the first half chatting away,catching up with what each other had done since the last match they saw each other. Don’t know if they even noticed there was a match on. Really boiled my p*** but not my place to have a go at those who frequent the place far far more often than me. Early signs were encouraging when my youngest berated the ref for awarding a free kick when a Man City player fell over the ball but the interest just petered out.

  • 79 toonicle // Oct 31, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Should never have sold Perch, perfect utility player for this kind of situation.

  • 80 Jeff from Benwell // Oct 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Mike Ashley defers only to the people who matter to NUFC, namely the 50.000 PROPER supporters who put their hands in their pockets and support NUFC in a meaningful way every home match.
    All the bloggers and gobshites on the many forums count for nothing and are rightly disregarded.
    When some of this rabble decided to have a march and the Chronic gave it coverage the paper was rightly black balled.
    On matchday the forums are full of people begging for streaming sites. They won’t even pay for BT and Sky yet they constantly flap their lips about what they know is wrong with the Toon.
    Any daft twat can call themselves a supporter and with regard to Newcastle there are many daft twats voicing shite opinions.
    The first manager to fall foul of the internet chattering scum ironically was SBR
    http://www.footballforums.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-71327.html
    read the above and weep.
    I hope Ashley is the strong man I think he is and treats bloggers , glory hunters ,and premiership johnny cum latelies with the contempt they deserve.




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