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Superb Win Over Chelsea Bodes Well For Newcastle’s Future

10:07 am, Monday, November 4th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 164 Comments

Now that we know Newcastle can play like they did in that second half on Saturday, and even in the Manchester City game and the first half on Saturday, Newcastle showed some solidity in defense and held out, then if we can only become more professional and more consistent, Newcastle could have a very good season.

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Alan Pardew directing traffic on Saturday with Mourinho in the background

Newcastle have more strength in depth than the last two seasons when we have players like Coloccini, Steven Taylor, Ben Arfa, Vurnon Anita and others, who didn’t even start the game on Saturday.

Add to that the fact that four of the players we signed in January, Mathieu Debuchy, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Moussa Sissoko and Yoan Gouffran all played a big part in the win, then it looks like last January’s signings could turn out to be top ones for the club.

The only one missing was 20 year-old left back Massadio Haidara, who was injured,  and he played really well on Wednesday night in that first half, against a top winger in Jesús Navas.

Alan Pardew talked about the Chelsea game in the local press today:

“It was almost like a theater production.” “It started off slow and the songs weren’t particularly good at the start.”  “Then at the end there was a crescendo.”

“That’s the way to win a game. I am chuffed for everybody here.” “This victory puts us in a position – roughly – where I thought we’d be.”

“I hoped for three more points than we have at the moment.” “But it is a good total.” “I think it is something to build on.”  I’m pleased because we’ve worked hard and not really had a reward.”

“All of us have played a part,” “The most important thing is we have really good spirit.”  “Sunderland was a bad, bad day but you have to pick yourself up and go again.”

“We’ve done that in a really good way and it bodes well for the future.”

What Newcastle have to do now after that fantastic display, is put in a similar performance at White Hart Lane on Sunday,  in the early kick-off game, and make no  mistake Spurs are a very good side with some excellent players, and they looked good in their 0-0 draw at Goodison Park yesterday.

It’s another big test for Newcastle, but the lads cannot get carried away by one good performance, and the goal is to keep putting those performances in against the good teams, the mediocre teams and the poor teams, and start picking up points.

If the lads can do that,  we could just shock ourselves again this season, especially now we have a bigger and better squad than we had the last two seasons.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Newcastle News · Premier League





164 responses so far ↓

  • 1 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    yeh but more often than not we get a sunderland type of game performance

    if we played like that every week, we would get beat more often then win

    fook me, you get over excited when we win,,

  • 2 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    fcuk

    you get a hard on and think we will play like that from now on ,, when even recent history tells you we get a performance like the one V Scumderland,

    and even if we played like that against another team, we will get beat,
    sitting back and given them the ball is very dangerous,

  • 3 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    catchy

    pards said that was the plan and its fair enough given the lads only had 2 days between matches 90 mins of attack would have been suicide oops bad terminology haha

  • 4 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    wolf

    he had a week to sort out the tactic v Sunderland game, he used the same defensive set up he used v Liverpool,,

    and don’t give me , we were great v Liverpool, for 45 mins, we passed the ball around not trying to go forward,, the sending off changed the game, and made it look like a good result

    some of you fans are so easy pleased

  • 5 Ciaran // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    It was a great performance, especially since the lads faced 120 mins against Man City mid-week. Nothing can take away from how well they had done.

    Yes, we got battered for the first half but in the second half there was only going to be one winner.

    However, to claim that 1 win bodes well for our future is exaggerating to the nth degree. We could have said that the Fulham win would kick-start our season, or that the Villa away win would kick-start our season, or even the 2-2 draw at home to Liverpool when we were down to 10 men would kick-start our season, but none of these results have.

    I think we are destined to go through the entire 38 games rolling from 1 bad performance to 1 good performance. We have no consistency, no fluidity, no coherent game plan, but we are capable of good performances and good results when we least expect it.

    As Stuart said, let’s focus on the Spurs game next weekend. I watched them yesterday and while they are impressive in 2/3 of the park, they seriously lacked cutting edge yesterday.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    after the efforts on wednesday it would have been hard to attack the full 90, especially against a strong chelsea who had won 6 on the bounce.

    sometimes, especially against teams much better, you need to dig in and just fight for periods of the game. During the second half we really came into it and we more than worthy winners.

  • 7 Ciaran // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Catchy

    I agree with a lot of what you say, but there are a lot of people out there who would say the opposite to you – that you can never be pleased. Some just want the 3 points regardless of how we play, others want to see good passing, attacking football regardless of the result. I’m somewhere in between.

  • 8 Rainrix // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Good thing spurs haven’t exactly been prolific in front of goal this season. So given our inconsistency i expect they’ll put 5 past us then :) That or we’ll get a decent result at spurs and then completely fail against norwich.

  • 9 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    We’ve played like that in several halves this season, the difficulty is in maintaining it for 90mins and then for match after match. This is nothing unique to our football club, every single one has the issue of consistency.

    The best ones build up that winning feeling and keep it going.

    I really do hope the fans can stop being so “bipolar” (as Steve Harper put it) and see that we’re doing just fine right now. We’re pretty much where we should expect to be right now and that’s actually a good achievement for everyone at the club.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Pardew needs to be given what he as been asking for in January…he has cried out for a big CB and a big CF…they need to be brought it.

    We look a better side with willo and shola in…so now if we can upgrade them they will be huge gaps filled and we can push on. Just hope Ashley listens to him for once.

  • 11 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    TS

    I will look at those games you put up for me today ;)
    I have more time at work

    Ciaran

    I get what your saying,,

    IMO you not a fan of football if you watch it for results,, my stand has always been about the game first,

    and if you have been around this site long enough , you would know I have only been like this with pardew and JFK, but not as bad with JFK,

    play football the right way with the squad we have, and the results will follow, we should be in the top 6 with what we have

    I honestly think we are being held back,

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    TDS

    The problem is we are massively inconsistent. The slightly tweaked style with shola being used looks like it is helping in the two games. 0-0 with city over 90 mins and 2-0 over chelsea are very good….especially seeing as both results were fair and reflective of the game.

    It is a step in the right direction, we just need to make sure we don’t take 2 back now….and thats down to everyone, players, manager and owner.

  • 13 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    catchy

    OK, let me know what you think…or if i have missed any off you thought i should have included. It’s hard to remember every game from results, so i might have missed some.

    On being a fan for results…two different issues for me. I can enjoy any newcastle game we win, just like to see the lads win. Football in general though i like to watch certain teams who play certain styles. I like dortmund, munich, madrid and arsenal…favourite sides to watch currently. I do like good wing play and a CF powering in a header….used to love Carroll climbing above everyone to smash a header home. (favourite one being the headed goal he got from the free kick vs arsenal)

  • 14 Toon Tang // Nov 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    I just dont want pards thinking he is a tactical charlie big potatoes after that win that could be catastrophic for us

  • 15 cyprus // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    I guess changing a game plan during a game is a big challenge: e.g. what if we sit back in order to attack later and they score a couple?
    I think vs Spurs we should shock them a bit. Play like maniacs, closing them down, running after everything, for the first 10 minutes (i.e. like Sunderland, City, Everton did to us).
    Because I suspect we’ll have the same game plan as V. Chelsea: sit back, then attack in the second. AVB will know that.

  • 16 wynsleap // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    It’s obvious that when we play to our maximum we are a match for anyone. However you just know that we are coming down to earth with a bang against Spurs next week.
    It’s in our make up and heritage – just like having a crap owner (except Sir John).

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    cyprus

    I don’t fear spurs though ,they don’t have goals in them, one of the lowest scoring in the league….9 in 10 games where we have scored the 5th most goals with 14.

    I know you can’t write them off as they have only let in 5 goals, but i can’t see them running away with it, can’t see them getting 3/4 goals and i think we have enough to match 1 or 2 goals.

  • 18 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    tang

    esp as he “pardewed” cabs into placing that free kick at the back of chelskis defence haha

  • 19 cyprus // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    On the entertainment value. It depends how Machiavellian you are. Does the end justify the means? Is winning the be all and end all? Think about your life; it’s not. It’s about how you do it…

    Sorry about all this philosophical crap :) My point, I want the entertainers back! (sprinkled with dazzling, dramatic wins!)

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    i don’t want to give pardew too much praise for the free kick, as, like pardew said himself, it was cabaye and gouff but i do think he was important.

    In his interview pardew said he gets a good shape when shooting so try to ‘shoot’ the ball not take a normal free kick….it was noticeable how much flatter the delivery was which made it impossible for cech to come for….so credit to pardew for that.

  • 21 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    TS

    A lot of clubs in the PL have been very inconsistent this season.

    We all know that Pardew wanted a top striker in the Gomis mould and he would be an upgrade on Shola. I don’t agree with the Shola bashing, I think he always puts in a shift and he puts his body on the line, but we could really do with a player like him who is also a significant goal threat or at least can play a full 90mins. He’s like a poor man’s Heskey.

  • 22 mindshaft // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    We should probably wait till after the Spurs and Norwich games before we get carried away, was a good win but we usually follow those up with a poor display and a defeat – inconsistency being our only consistent this year
    Interesting Loic waiting till July, obviously going to wait and see what offers he gets ( fair enough I suppose ) – that’s the trouble with loans and the reason I hate them

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    cyprus

    got to be a balance though…results are important as keeps you in the league…and after a win you are always happy, even a lucky one.

    In general I want to see good football, but need results in there too.

    I don’t know how arsenal fans complain, win a lot more than they lose, play good football, get champs league every year….will a cup make it that much better?

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    TDS

    like i said…ashley has let pardew down by not getting the commanding aerial centre back and centre forward he has spoke about for 2 years now. He needs these.

    Nothing against shola, does ok, but we need somebody who does what he does better…a drogba, lukaku, benteke, etc…another player in that mold.

  • 25 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    TS

    Agree. Apart from the use of the word “need”. Every squad in the PL has weaknesses and I’d say our biggest is a strong goal scoring striker. The kind of centre back that you’re talking about certainly doesn’t come cheap and I imagine that we’ll need to get one of those in when Colo moves on (freeing up his huge wages).

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    TDS

    Well vidic and kompany cost their manchester clubs 7mil…both big, strong, commanding CBs, so it shows if you scout well and look around you can get these players for a good fee.

    Hummels was 4 mil euro to dortmund.

    Just need to look around, the key is we can buy that type of player and with the current crop of players can give him a season to settle as we have others who can play.

    I’d never play colo and mbiwa together, neither are physical enough, need willo or saylor to partner one of them.

  • 27 Yohan Kebab // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    it is interesting that what pardew has been crying out for is exactly what it looks like we need

  • 28 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    sage

    he kicked him in the teeth when we qualified for europe and the platform we built was knocked down by bringing in just one player if he hadnt realised it before then pards knew then that assley knows f all about football

  • 29 Sav // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Les Miserables?

  • 30 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    TS

    I agree if you scout around, but you can hardly slate the club for not getting a bargain centre half like Vidic or Kompany, they’ve signed so many bargain players over the last few years.

    As well as bargain centre halves, there have also been plenty of funky buys over the years, think about Boumsoung, Marcelino and others for us.

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    wolfs

    yeh exactly, pardew isn’t my choice but the man gets let down.

    It’s all well and good saying he has a technical squad but in the prem league you need some big, physical players too (even arsenal have mertesaker and giroud).

    If Pardew is the man to take us on in Ashley’s eyes he has to listen to him with what he wants.

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    TDS

    not slating them for not getting a bargain centre half…I am slating ashley for not listening to the manager who has said, since the season we finsihed 5th…we need a big CB and a big CF. 2 years is enough time to bring them in, that’s poor by Ashley.

  • 33 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    there must be a tall cb in france nearing the end of his contract somewhere haha

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    TDS

    Also pardew never screamed to have yet another midfielder which we seem to keep buying, yes that adds depth, but the players he wants for starting 11 are a CB and CF…thats the priority and what the club should have provided for him.

  • 35 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    TDS

    not the first time,, but I think your a fool,,

    shola used to be just like Sammy, full of running , held onto the ball, and I always said that if he could do what he did out side the box, inside the box, he could be a world beater,

    well he didn’t, he got injured a lot, esp his hip. he stopped running, and became lazy, he gives away to many fouls from backing in, using his elbows, and we loose good positions because of it

    look at lakuku , looks like a strong athlete , shola looks like a boxer,

  • 36 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Good morning Catchy, how was your weekend ? must have been a bit of a blow when Remy scored the second.. Never mind chin up there is always next weekend. If we lose against Spurs you can explain to us all how it was all Pardews fault.

  • 37 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    “It was almost like a theater production.”

    While the past 18 months have been like living in a Comedy Club :D

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    jack

    was nice of chelsea to follow our script in that case.

    Pardew Lloyd Webber did good.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    or should i have put Alan Lloyd Webber…not sure

  • 40 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    tequila

    I love us winning

    I hate all this shit that comes with it, people are making out that we are like this all the time,

    this is an odd one out

    I hate that , all the pro pardew fans come out and say, there look I told you so,,
    or do exactly what you did,, don’t worry there is always next week, idiots actually believe you, I just think your weak minded and carnt think for yourselves, you have to be told we played well, you carnt make your own minds up

  • 41 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Transfer Sage

    Pardew got it spot on to be fair to the man, but then again, even a broken clock is right twice a day ;)

  • 42 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    ToonDarnSarf- we’ve agreed before that were only a quality ST away from matching the likes of Everton.

    So much does remain uncertain as regards our fortunes going forward.
    However, one can’t help sensing that if we do make a habit of performing with consistency that it will not suit the agenda of those not wholly happy with talk of days of power and potential.
    I am enjoying all that goes with winning football.

  • 43 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Why shouldn’t this be a defining moment in our season.
    The 3-0 victory over ManU was a couple of seasons ago. Isn’t such talk what being a fan all about.

  • 44 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Catchy I am only going on last season when you admitted you wanted us to lose to force Pardew out, if you have changed your stance on that one then well done, nothing like a repentant sinner.

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    jack

    Haha…i’d have him right more often than a broken clock…but still want better.

    But if he is to stay the fatman needs to give him support and buy him the types of player he has been asking for now for over 2 years.

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    cacthy

    pipe down, you have a list to review haha

    ian

    I certainly hope so, you just know the club/team nearly always finds a way to let us down though so people are naturally cautious. I think now is a good time to play spurs…not scoring and have europa league thursday so they will be shattered if our efforts last year were anything to go by.

  • 47 jayphoto // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Agree with TS! Definately need the big striker and big centre half in january! Think we might cash in on HBA in january whilst hes still got stock left! I like hatem, hes our most talented player but we are a better balanced team without him unfortunately!
    Amazed at how much cabaye has improved from last season, such an integral part of the team these days, hope this isn’t his last season fpr us!
    Think we should have gone for Caulker last summer!
    Would love to see Shawcross and Sam Vokes come in in january!
    Also think Man Utds young striker Will Keane is worth a gamble on! Think its important to add a bit of a british core to the side!
    Got a horrible feeling the club will opt for Tom ince on a free over loic remy in the summer too

  • 48 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Transfer Sage

    You and I both know that Ashley will only do what suits Ashley, what Pardew wants and or what the fans want will never come into the equation.

  • 49 lesh // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    catchy in norway @3….

    Kinnear watched the Swansea – Sunderland game and his report on Sunderland would have defined the tactics for the derby.

    Blame Kinnear for our loss of that game rather than Pardew. That fat, useless waste of space’s is the one that should be first fir the departure lounge.

    Catchy, sort out your priorities man!!!

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    jack

    Yeh i know, it’s a shame it comes to us not even having the hope anymore.

    Jay

    Not sure who’d i’d go for, can’t think of any in english football who fit the type and are around the fee ashley would fork out. Surely Carr can indentify some in europe, get them jan so they settled for next season.

    Ince would be good to sign in january as an option wide as it’s what we need.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    lesh

    I doubt pardew listens to kinnear that much…especially when the sunderland game was no different to how we have played most of the season up til that point.

    Kinnear is useless, and maybe causes some harm with his comments to annoy people, but in no way does he influence tactics. Pardew may be ashley’s puppet but he isn’t kinnears.

  • 52 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    TS

    We signed MYM in Jan. Not the big centre half but certainly adds to our options there. We’re not going to have more than 4 first team centre halves in our team and I don’t think we could justify having Colo, MYM, Saylor/Willo and 1 top centre half. That would be nice to have though.

    Depending on money available, I’d like to see a striker as a matter of priority. Someone to offer something different to Cisse and also to take the pressure off him. I would have said a creative midfielder/winger was 2nd priority but given the injury issues at centre half, I’ll revise that.

  • 53 ilovetoon8788 // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    we are extemely inconsistent. great result, we have enjoyed it. now the hard work comes for Pardew.

    going by the form book of the last 2 seasons, we will be rubbish against spurs.

    He can make us play consistent good football for 5-6 matches, then i’ll change my views regarding pardew.

  • 54 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    catchy

    Why does that make me a fool? He may not be running the channels but he’s a physical presence in the box and that creates opportunities for others. Sure, I’d rather have Carroll or someone like that but I still respect what Shola does for the team.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    TDS

    Got to get rid of saylor, on good wages and he also in always injured. I can’t see colo being round much longer after this season either. Best get on in january and try to unload saylor, he’s never fit so a wasted spot despite the fact i think he is good when he has a run of games.

    Get a good, strong CF in who gets more goals than shola and we will look better.

    Can’t see ashley doing it though.

  • 56 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Ian Toon

    Yes, it’s incredible how some people are going to be impossible to please and sadly they are often the most ‘vocal’ on this blog.

    A few games ago Tiote and Debuchy needed to be sold and Pardew was clueless for playing them, now they’re probably our best players! Now some people are even saying that Shola made the difference against Chelsea!

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    TS

    Saylor tries damn hard but maybe he almost tries too hard for his hometown club. Maybe he’ll be better when he can relax a little?

    I’d rather see Saylor go than Willo yeah. Willo may be limited but he knows his limitations and you know you can rely on him to put in a decent performance at least. Saylor must make his team mates nervous!

    Ashley will only do it if the deal is right. I think people should just accept that rather than expecting him to change his spots.

  • 58 Belfast // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Lets be honest. If we’re 9th/10th come January time, we’re not going to sign anybody.

  • 59 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Saylor is liability and spends more time on the treatment table than on the pitch, as it stands now I’d much prefer to have a partnership of Willo and Mapou than Colo and Saylor, because as a pairing they complement each other

  • 60 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Belfast

    Exactly mate, why spend if we are comfortable in mid table

  • 61 Belfast // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    In reality we need a striker and a wide player, everybody knows it apart from Ashley and co it seems.

  • 62 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Rubbish.

    We’ll sign someone if it’s a good deal. Fans need to actually get their head around how this club is run these days.

    If we can sign a defender on a good financial deal then we’ll sign him, it’s that simple. If signing a new defender looks likely to either keep us up or put us into the CL (ha!) then we’ll sign one too.

  • 63 Tommyy // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    What would transform us into a top top side would be some added technical and positional coaching, like build play pass and move etc and then a commanding CB leader and a commanding CF leader both who can motivate the team and lead by example. Then we would really be a force.
    At the moment when we’re not playing 100 percent we’re really poor, we need to be able to play at 70 percent and still play decently and win. Having that added depth to the training and 2 real leaders in key positions will make all the difference.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    TDS

    your too optimistic on Ashley in my opinion….we held off 6 months on debuchy to save betweek 500k and 1mil on different articles….hardly like that’s what made the difference between a good and bad deal.

    I just think ashley is impossible to predict…willing to pay 8mil apparently for gomis but only 2 mil for bent…very similar age, one with a proven record in prem and one with a modest record in france…that made little sense. (glad we never got either to be honest).

    I can’t remember who i spoke about this with yesterday, possibly tads, but I think saylor is fairly solid, yeh the odd mistake but most CBs do make them…he just makes them worse with the play acting so they are highlighted.

    Like titus bramble, we though he was shocking for us but he looked a lot better at wigan, because we weren’t watching 90 mins of him every week so would miss the odd clanger.

  • 65 Tommyy // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    And I agree with comments re Williamson, since he’s come back into the side he’s led by example and won nearly every header. His only real weakness is his agility/speed which unfortunately is essential but having Mbiwa alongside him who has pace I think he feels a lot more comfortable and plays to his strengths and vice versa.
    Ideally we need a quicker and more vocal Williamson.

  • 66 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    God I hope we are not going to jinx this win over Chelski by all this talking ;)…the important thing is that this is not a one off performance!

  • 67 Belfast // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    We’ll see come January Tds. I’m pretty confident if we maintain our current position we’ll sign nobody.

    Gomis has already stated he will see out his contract, so that bargain deal that they where probably planning on, won’t be happening.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    TDS

    but the club isn’t ran well….sometimes you need to take a little hit instead of leaving yourselves short. I’m not talking about spending 10′s of millions extra, just the extra few million to make sure we aren’t exposed.

    In recent years we were left woefulyl short upfront when carroll left (somehow best stayed fit an actually hit for, something he hadn’t done for us before or since, got lucky).

    We were left with 2CBs when saylor got injured in the yar we finished 5th…missed out in that jan on a cb and luckily perch covered pretty well the odd game he came in when colo was out. (still awful the day perch and simmo had to play there).

    Ashley takes too bigger gambles for consistency to be the norm at the club.

    Then there’s all the crap he gives to fans and local press, the man is a slimeball

  • 69 DokToon // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    gmorning all, fromthe dark side of the pond…

    itf forms holds on this blog, saylor will come back, and be total class, just like some slagged on debuchy lol…

    i cant help it, i do really like saylor, wish he wasnt injured all the time though….

  • 70 estechco // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    I see MA is playing us for fools again…

    http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/35186-wenger-faces-competion-for-cabaye.php#.UneTSPnCXoY

  • 71 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    TS

    Ashley is a really weird character, he’s also massively stubborn.

    He’s the kind of guy who will say £5M max and mean it. If the selling club insists on £6M then he still won’t budge, he’d rather wait. That’s his character.

  • 72 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    And its that character flaw that has cost us and will continue to cost us, we have lost out on players for the sake of a few hundred thousand pound and it has cost the team/club as a result. I understand wanting to get the best deal but the man cuts off his nose to spite his bloody face and we suffer because of it

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    TDS

    it may be his character but it doesn’t make him right or doing whats best for the club. And thats why people don’t like him, he is not an endearing character at all.

    And if thats how he does business i can accept it, but he also needs to increase scouting so we have more options so if one guy is out of his limit we have an option instead of not getting anyone.

    for me this summer smacked of us just not wanting to spend. Gomis 8 mil, rejected wanted a little more….bent wanted 5mil, 2 mil was rejected and he ended up on loan…if he was worth 2 mil surely he was worth a loan?

  • 74 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    TS

    He’s a businessman. I know that’s impossible for some fans to grasp because many are not involved in business so it creates a real disconnect between fans and club.

    I get both business and football so for me it’s not too hard to connect the two.

  • 75 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    I thought Mourinho got it right when he suggested Chelsea were not as sturdy as us. The mood music of winning coming with effort, commitment, ambition, quality, expressing yourself individually but in the team context. Fans generally need to recognise that players have a responsibility as well.

    Jose is a class act and his ” You have to know why you win …… .
    We are dangerous opponents when we play with intensity. The fans played their part in rousing and lifting the team with total disregard for
    marching other than up the PL.

  • 76 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    JackButler

    You’re right, we have suffered because of it but we have also benefited from it because we have got better deals. I get why fans are annoyed when we don’t sign someone but don’t you think that if he wasn’t such a hard negotiator then we would have spend more on players both in terms of transfer fees and wages? That would mean we wouldn’t have been able to afford a player or two that we do have. If that player was Obertan then I’d be happy though!

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    TDS

    I fully understand both thank you.

    But ashley doesn’t get football fans, and also doesn’t get football as a business either.

    If he truely understood business he would hire much more competent people to run the financial side and we would not have lost so much revenue compared to when he first took over.

    A lot of commercial money can come from tie ins to local sponsors, partners etc….and the way he angers people means a lot won’t put their money into that either.

    He knows retail business and thats it, he knows little else.

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    TS

    Again, I think it’s a matter of setting an upper limit on what players are worth and refusing to go beyond it. That’s led to us getting some fantastic players for very good deals.

    But yeah, I get it…what we really need is a translator between Ashley and the fans because they clearly don’t understand each other!

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    well with less TV money freddy shepherd managed to sign all sorts of players on big contracts and have 80 mil compared to 130 mil of debt.

    Great business work by ashley, i’m so glad we scrimp and save on everything.

  • 80 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    TS

    I was not suggesting that you don’t.

    The reason we’ve lost so much revenue since he took over is because of several reasons:
    1 – relegation
    2 – other clubs clearly being better investments than they were (City, Spurs)
    3 – the global economy
    4 – more lucrative contracts expiring
    5 – we look further than ever away from the top 4 because of the competition

  • 81 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    When it works, great, we are all happy but when the squad/team/club suffers for the sake of a few hundred grand it cost’s us even more than that the extra outlay. His approach is so small minded as the victory of getting his way with a deal or walking away from one actually costs him more in the long term and he does not see that.

    Keegan has said Ashley has will make bids for players knowing it will be rejected thus paying lip service that he’s trying to do the right thing.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    TDS

    Yes some deals are good, got to give credit for that.

    But he needs people around him who know the game so we sign the right people at the right time, not just the best deal. there needs to be more options if first targets fall through, there needs to be better commercial tie ins, there needs to be more local businesses and people invovled to generate more money.

    there is a lot he needs to sort out

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    TDS

    yes but thats something a proper manager director or his associates could address, who does that for us?

    Other clubs have managed to generate more money, i get sponsors go to the top teams…but there are a lot of other ways, more creative ways to make money. It’s something we need to exploit which we don’t.

    Thats on his head.

  • 84 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    I don’t see it as a character flaw. It’s simply that he thinks of football like business in general which it isn’t. He made big mistakes in the early years and that plus the cost of relegation has impacted on his thinking. He does view players as a commodity with a price attached whereas if a manager is looking for the missing pieces in his team jigsaw it often makes sense to pay the going rate.

    The 5 year plan anticipated progression of players through the academy and this broadly has not materialised.

  • 85 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    As a billionaire, if you buy a football club and know nothing about the workings of the day to day running of one, the transfer market, sponsorship deal, players contracts etc etc then you employ the people who do know these things. Casino bosses and failed football managers as DoF is not the way to go. The reason our revenue has dropped off so much is simply down the way we have been and are continuing to be run

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    JB

    But you can’t have one without the other, don’t you see? You can’t negotiate really hard one minute and establish the reputation as being willing to walk away if the deal isn’t right and then cave in the next minute.

    Whenever I’ve bought or sold a car (for me or my girlfriend) I make sure I know the range that I’m happy with and I refuse to go beyond it. If the other party senses weakness then they can take advantage. I’ve walked away from deals before only to be called back and I’ve got the deal I want. They have to know that you’re willing to walk away.

    I don’t know about Keegan to be honest, he was a legend as a manager but I think his views are often tainted with emotion. I don’t know whether to believe that literally or not and I also imagine that plenty of other clubs bid for players tactically.

    But…try to explain this…how can fans say that Ashley doesn’t give a damn about what the fans think and then suggest he plays games to keep them happy? Can’t have it both ways.

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    ian

    but even the business side of the club is not as healthy as it was before he arrived.

    he has offended a lot of local sponsors and support, which costs him money..but ultimately us.

  • 88 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    TS

    Our commercial revenue was the 7th highest in the league from the last figures. That’s what we’d expect.

    No question, I think his single biggest mistake is that he didn’t appoint an experienced DoF when he first bought the club.

  • 89 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    JB

    Yes. Exactly. He should have hired a proper DoF from day one who could advise him what do to. Instead he tried to do it himself, screwed up, then eventually ends up with JFK because he trusts him…great…

  • 90 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    He doesn’t give a damn but by paying us lip service he hopes it will at least keep us quiet and allow him to carry on doing what ever the hell he like’s.

    There is a massive difference between being known as a hard bargainer and a fool that costs his own club by walking away for what is a poultry sum.

    Keegan had an hour conversation on the phone to sign a player for 2 million pound, after that Ashley and Llambias has a conference call and offered 1 million knowing it would be rejected, that is how we are being run

  • 91 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    He has never recognised that when your not that knowledgeable and able (in the football sense) you need people who are in those key positions within a football club.

    He financially has always gone for the false economy option.

  • 92 Himanshu Dhingra // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Joe Kinnear’s Theory “Shane Ferguson will be like a new Signing.”

  • 93 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    having a DOF is like putting legs on a snake the manager knows what is best for the team he should tell the scouts what to look for and then decide who to buy and as for the owner well as shankley said they are there to sign the cheques haha

  • 94 Marty-Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Was a great game,
    Lots of the lads gave everything for the cause.
    We played the ball well on the deck and in the air.
    Strolla even played very well.
    Spurs are playing late on Thursday so that ought to give us a good step on them.
    Surely we should expect our lads to compete with them on Sunday.
    Again we will see which team show up on the day and we do need the luck to go our way as it did against Chelsea.
    Ben Arfa has a way to come before he gives us a solid game both defensively and offensively like Gouffran and Sissoko gave us the other day.
    Anita’s crisp passing was delightful to watch.

  • 95 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Jack- all that said. Should we hit a rich vein of form his practices will be largely passed over. Notice I didn’t say forgotten.

    For the fans and indeed the manager it’s what happens on the pitch that really matters- winning football matches is how the regime will ultimately be judged.

    It might impact on here, though that’s probably a step too far.

  • 96 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Marty-Toon. You personify just my point.

  • 97 Himanshu Dhingra // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Rene Girard doing very well at Lille, if only.

  • 98 Yohan Kebab // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    ashley gives you 10m plus sales for january
    what do you do

    for me, sell marv, obviously not in pardews plans, and see if you can get 10m for ben arfa.

    annoying as he would flourish in another team but he just doesnt fit pardews vision for us

    20m, who to buy

    i would be looking definitely at mitroglou and salif sane from hannover

  • 99 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Ian Toon

    I think it’s gone to far now and Ashley will never regain the trust or respect of the fans or the City.

    Fans are connected to the club by far more than results and performances and we have been treated poorly from day one. In the beginning you could make excuses for Ashley and co and the mistakes he made, but he has not once learned from them, even going on to repeat them time and again.

    Everything that is wrong at the club he is solely responsible for breaking and there’s no way he will change and so the divide will always be there

  • 100 pottsclock // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    So here’s an interesting question. Below is the list of our managers since 1999, including caretakers. Which of these would we rather have than Pardew? SBR is an obvious one.

    Steve Clarke, 28 August 1999, 2 September 1999
    Sir Bobby Robson, 2 September 1999, 30 August 2004
    John Carver, 11 September 2004, 13 September 2004
    Graeme Souness, 13 September 2004, 2 February 2006
    Glenn Roeder, 2 February 2006, 6 May 2007
    Nigel Pearson, 6 May 2007, 15 May 2007
    Sam Allardyce, 15 May 2007, 9 January 2008
    Nigel Pearson, 9 January 2008, 16 January 2008
    Kevin Keegan, 16 January 2008, 4 September 2008
    Chris Hughton, 8 September 2008, 28 September 2008
    Joe Kinnear, 29 September 2008, 1 April 2009[3]
    Alan Shearer, 1 April 2009, 24 May 2009[4]
    Chris Hughton[5], 24 May 2009, 6 December 2010
    Alan Pardew, 9 December 2010, Present

  • 101 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    the commentator on motd said jose turned around in his seat to make notes i think he did a double take at how naff they looked with SD plastered on them removing all that shite from st james would be a start to re building but hes probably too pig headed to realise that

  • 102 JackButler // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    wolfshead

    SJP should be about NUFC not SportsDirect, we have been used to further his passion

  • 103 jayphoto // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    @98 agree with 10m transfer funds! For me id like to see a strong bustling centre forward! First choice would be Traore from Anji! After that maybe Kolbeinn sighortsson at ajax! I actually think Bendtner would suit our style and hes performed at international level enough to make me think theres a top player in there somewhere!
    Dreamers choice would be Llorente whos available on loan in january in the run up to the WC! Hes champions league cup tied and just wants games in a top league! Be a decent fix till the summer

  • 104 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    potts

    the most telling thing on that list is the length of time in charge apart from sbr isnt that what the club have been accused of not giving managers enough time after last seasons disaster when pards head was being called to be put on a spike he rode out the storm and now we are sailing in calmer waters – hopefully haha

  • 105 jayphoto // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    @100 – definately SBR! Id take keegan too! And id take Steve Clarke! No one else after that though! I like hoots but some of the football under him was dire! Definate no to fat sam, souness etc, juries out on pearson, his liecester team play decent stuff! Not seen enough of shearer as a coach , 8 games with a poor team isnt worth judging and as a toon legend id love him to come good! Ive met through work a couple times though and i can’t see him having any man mamagement skills, thats kinda backed up by what past players have said in their books! Great player but doesn’t make him a great guy

  • 106 pottsclock // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    wolfshead.
    Agree. But we’ve had some sh*t managers in the last 20 years. I still have a lot of respect for Roeder and Hughton – hope he does not get the sack from Norwich.

  • 107 pottsclock // Nov 4, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Jay,
    The Keegan one is an interesting one. In his first stint we played some fantastic stuff and were great to watch. But actually he had all the tools to do the job and win a title or cup, then he lost it and we blew it and gave the title to Manure.

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    It just shows we never get a good manager…the boby robson and keegan is the rarity.

    The best we can normally hope for is a pardew or houghton as we can do a lot worse.

  • 109 pardewout // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Anita needs to start, now.

  • 110 Mister Tuff // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Reference the managers list – as others have said only two stand out. There was a debate some months ago about managers – the opinion I came to was that by and large it was the same group of managers (more or less) that were getting sacked and then re-hired by someone else – more or less completing a cycle of mediocraty. The bold moves are when managers from without this group are brought in ie fresh blood. Might be a gamble in some cases -but maybe worth the experiment. I’m not convinced by the “bogeyman alternative” ie keep Percy or we’ll get Joking Joe -a line that the retain Percy brigade constantly crow about.

    Another interesting point -perhaps -a couple have remarked about it -is recently there have been a couple of stories from Sports Direct News about Newcastle players -there was one last week about Santon. Another today about Cabaye. The story about Santon quoted as a reference some Italian transfer site – I initially tried to check it out but couldn’t (got sick). I just had a fleeting thought that maybe Tubbs is using his media outlet o “soften us up” for some of our players being sold in January. Interesting to see what else they report on transfers in the lead up to January.

  • 111 belgrade fan // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    CHECK THIS OUT

    Even here in Serbia there is an article how Joe K tried to buy Shane F. Article has 50 comments in 20 minutes. All like- who ever knows anything about English football knows JFK is the biggest clown. This is what our DOF is doing to us- make us clown club

  • 112 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Mr Tuff. MA has employed JFK as manager before and clearly MA still has faith in him or else why would he give him a job as DoF. Is ir really that difficult to see him giving JFK the managers job again if Pardew went? I would say he was pretty much odds on if that happenened. MA is no longer in the bsiness of ” crowd pleaser appointments” when it comes to Newcastle

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    tuff

    well said…some people (mainly chairmen) are so scared (or can’t be bothered to look properly) for a different manager they hire somebody who failed elsewhere and wonder why he fails again.

    It’s the same in a lot of top jobs in all kinds of industries…how many bankers, chief exec, directors, etc end up getting let go and picked up by a rival, once you’re in you’re in

  • 114 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    TS…cheer up mate ;) at some point Mike will sell up and maybe, just maybe someone with a passion for football and even for NUFC will buy the club!

    …it cannot be bad for ever ;)

  • 115 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Belgrade every media outlet has carried the story without a shred of evidence it actually happened. JFK as DoF would have been involved in arranging of Fergies loan deal.
    More mischief making by the press who now have it in for us because MA has had a paddy with the local press.

  • 116 Ibizatoon // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    How we doing fellow toon fans?

    Bodes well for the future? We hope so, but let’s see, Alan.

  • 117 Rake // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    I’m glad Gouffran is getting some praise for his performances been absolutely peerless. We have some good footballers now who we can bring off the bench and you see the competition in the team is making players work harder. Debuchey has been everywhere in defense and attack our right flank is pretty solid.

    What are people’s thoughts on Tiote being picked over Anita. Tiote has been much improved but still gives the ball away once a game in front of the back four. Personally at home at least I would have to play Anita he seems to be getting used to the speed of the league now.

  • 118 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    tequila

    there must be something to it if it’s in all the papers and club hasn’t complained…remember how they said they’d sue a paper for running a fake story on cisse last year?

    it’s well reported and true

    jesper

    i’m good, still get to watch newcastle no matter how good or bad we are which is the main thing :)

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Ibiza…there is something about a big fire on Ibiza om CNN! You know anything about that? ;)

  • 120 belgrade fan // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    tequila

    I know that. My point was 90% of comments were- everybody knows JFK is biggest clown of English football

  • 121 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Ibiza, this is a blog for Toon fans? Hard to tell these days.

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    tequila

    story is from a couple months ago and was reported long before spat with local papers

  • 123 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    TS saturation coverage of a story is not proof. No quotes from anybody involved. Bit of a clue there.We all know JFK is a bit of a duffer but it hardly credible he would not know a player he must have been involved with in arranging the loan deal

  • 124 Ibizatoon // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    TS…I think I read somewhere that the club have denied the story in the past few days, but I didn’t see any direct quotes from memory.

    Jesper…Really? No sir, not me…I’m innocent I tell ya!

  • 125 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    TS the story is not from a couple of months ago but very recent. Please show me any link quoting this story that goes back more than a week or two.

  • 126 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Ibiza…something about a Sunday Roast that went haywire ;) You are sure you don’t know anything aboout that?

  • 127 cyprus // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    So,
    lots on the blog have now given up on our most talented and feared player! (Ask fans from OTHER teams)

    Guys, we were saying the same about Anita, Debby and others. Yes, he needs work, sure. If he didn’t he’d be playing for Arsenal or… Barca! :)

  • 128 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    tequila

    Not all stories have quotes, journo’s have a lot of contacts they can’t quote or else they lose them as they get silenced by clubs.

    The fact that its something very believable, loan deal was in place last year so no reason for him to be involved in it.

    Do you really think kinnear actually does anything? he gets to actualyl speak with people? not a chance he is involved in anything important.

  • 129 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    tequila

    it is, it dates back to a game 2 months ago….thats what was discusses by sean custis on sunday, on sky sports.

  • 130 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    im not counting the carvers and pearson even shearer in the list, I only will grade them who had the job full time,,

    1 SBR, simply fantastic, would do wonders with this squad

    2 CH, took over in one of the most difficult times in recent history, and worked wonders, along with being a true gent, in the same mould as SBR in that respect

    3, KK did not really have the job long enough to get the players he wanted , but brought back a feel good feeling, along with ok football

    4, GR, not bad but not good

    5 , SA, not my fave way of playing football, but it wasn’t so bad, under him

    6, GS an utter nightmare manager, talks a good game

    7, JFK, got us relegated and chased good players,, bit of a blessing though, got a fresh start after him,,

    8, AP, simply the worst manager I have ever known, its not just one thing under him, its everything, from players not looking fit, don’t run, wont run, to team selections, strange tactics, goes all out attack v man u one week, defensive v Norwich the next,, strange comments after a match,
    has no set way of playing,
    does not know how to change it when its going wrong,

    v Chelsea this weekend, I would have hated going a goal behind, would have no clue what to do then,, shut up shop,, maybe

    grrrr
    get out

  • 131 cyprus // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Catchy,
    Had me a tad confused with all those initials and mixed up chronology. KD was much worse than AP, so was AS, RG too.

  • 132 Ibizatoon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Tequila…Well, the blog has always had a variety of topics on the go…not much new there.

    Jesper…Oh I see. Well, yes, it did end up slightly over done, but not quite to the point of needing the fire brigade :)

  • 133 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    JS JFK came to Newcastle in June . Ferguson transfer not till 23 rd of July. As DoF he was involved in a player by player review and is responsible for all incoming and outgoing transfers, It stretches creibility to breaking point to suggest he had nothing to do with the transfer, at the very least he would have Oked it..
    And your quite correct much of the press writes stories without quotes this is why these stories should be used for toilet paper in emergencies and not for making informed opinions.

  • 134 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Ibiza…the family in town?

  • 135 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    ive noticed the anti pards brigade arent touting laudrup anymore if i remember correctly he said a team being in europe shouldnt reflect on premier performance its not about the size of the squad its the players mentality which needs to be kept in focus hmmm they look like a carbon copy of us last season

  • 136 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    TS people are referring to a game played in Sep in the stories but the stories did not appear till a few days ago. All Sean Custis did was repeat the story he had no first hand information on the story.

  • 137 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    catchy

    jfk before pards now i know your a 100% WUM :-)

  • 138 JAMSHA // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    more live games for newcastle

  • 139 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    tequila

    it’s been around for at least 3/4 weeks because i remember people talking about it…the guy is a total moron so can see it happening.

    If he can’t even get names right there is every chance he hasn’t managed to spot our player out on loan.

    Or it could be he knew ferguson was out player just sat up in the stands didn’t recognise him from distance and just said i like this lad, then was corrected. There will be some element of truth in it….if you’re going to make up a story there are better ones than that.

  • 140 Toon Tang // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    lets not forget people, kinnear can pick up the phone to anyone at anytime…

  • 141 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    sage

    he prob said as a jest/sarcasm wondering we hes out on loan i cant believe not even if its joe he would approach a manager and say i want to buy him

  • 142 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    toon tang

    shame all the names in his phone book dont make any sense

    all sorts of confusion if he rings yohan kebab….gets a brilliant french/greek restaurant though

  • 143 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    TS if you can show me any link from 3/4w weeks ago re this story I will eat your hat. I have looked already there are none.The fact that JFK is a duffer makes the story a good story but all the press is doing is copying each others story and not a single one has provided a shred of evidence.

  • 144 Transfer Sage // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    wolfs

    the one thing that makes me think it could have been a tongue in cheek comment is the story about nathan redmond

    apparently we were interested but kinnear said it would hinder sammy’s growth getting another left winger…so why would he want a different left winger in ferguson

    but i still wouldn’t put it past him to be that dumb

  • 145 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    wouldnt*

  • 146 Mister Tuff // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    tequilamag @112 – I’m not saying that Tubbs would not employ Joking Joe if Percy went, I’m saying that the argument used against getting rid of Percy is normally “better the devil you know” or it could be somebody worse – ie a default position of somebody worse – “the bogeyman” argument. If Percy was to get the boot and JK got the job -I’m pretty convinced it would be detrimental to JK’s health. Premiership Managers jobs are high stress positions -couple with the various images/tales of him still liking the old “vino collapso” would lead to an inevitable conclusion.

  • 147 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    tuff

    you want to sack a manager who has his team 9th in the prem? have a day off lol

  • 148 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    TS, I eat your hat !!! I have found a reference on a Sunderland message board on the 4/10 . So if that is the source of the original story … hardly nbiased and almost certainly somebody repeating a joke a truth..

  • 149 Ian Toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Transfer Sage- re your comment earlier on the Cabaye free kick for Gouffy’s goal.

    Mourinho is quoted in The London Evening Standard as insisting that they were well prepared to negate Yohan Cabaye’s danger from set pieces.

    “I have to look at that (their first goal) on the video because I know it was a lateral free kick from quite far, but I promise it is something we work on, we analyse and care a lot about. Two hours before the game we were watching a series of 10 corners, 10 lateral free kicks and 10 central free kicks, absolutely everything, so maybe it’s one more item to add to a game where we were not there.”

  • 150 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Mr Tuff for your scenarion to work Newcastle wold already be in the doo doo or else there would be no reason for MA to sack Pardew. Then assuming JFK health issues kicked in and he had to go before we finally get a manager you might be happy with, unlikely as that may be. Sounds like before we get that approved man in we would be cast iron certs for relegation. Hardly a price worth paying.
    Of course you could take the view that 10 games into the season with the woeful lack of investment Newcsatle are pretty much where they deserve to be and at the very least the form is a big improvement on last season and maybe just maybe Pardew deserves a little credit for that

  • 151 TorqToon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    ITS OFFICIAL!!!

    I’ve found a group of supporters even more negative than some people on here!!!

    Chelsea fans on an online blog are now saying they should sell 2 of Mata, Hazard and Oscar as they can’t play together and don’t care about the club. That they aren’t good enough for the english league are far too overrated.

    Also that mourinho had his day and should never have returned.

    Feel better knowing it not just us. :-)

    Good afternoon, gents!

  • 152 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    torq

    there will be negs on barca forums too i should imagine lol

  • 153 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Cyprus

    KD down near AP And JFK

    RG , not bad football , just a silly feud with shearer and dropping rob lee , madness

  • 154 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    wolfswum

    JFK has a reason to be second bottom on my list , he had been out of touch with football for a while and it showed

    AP has no excuse, he took over a team that was ok , no disharmany around the place, fans and players happy

    team has been upgraded a lot, and still has no idea what to do with it,

    like a few others in here , your not a football fan , I guess you where a fatboy a school that got picked on, couldn’t kick a ball, but wanted to be with the popular boys , so the best you could do was support newcastle

    not one true football fan would have a manager like pardew , there is no reason for him to have us playing like we do,

  • 155 Toon Tang // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    transfer 142 hahah true, true

  • 156 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    tequila

    your just a table watcher you,

    hip hip hurarrr

  • 157 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Catchy, my hobby is watching tables I am thinking of starting a website for people who share my interest tablewatchers. com

    How is Norway? still living under the bridge ?

  • 158 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    taquila

    all you ever go on about is people will be happy where we are , how many games do you think we have played good football in in the last 12 month

    not many

    only table watchers would be happy with that

  • 159 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    catchy

    im anti popular thats why i always go against the num nuts that flood the blog and who want to sack the manager every time we lose same as you in reverse only like tuffs your argument is weak when we are top ten so it looks like your just looking for a fight especially when you start with silly name calling

  • 160 wolfshead@toon // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    sorry catchy i see what you mean about table watching so its down to the way way play football i see why you are nostalgic about fat sams cavalier approach to the game lol

  • 161 catchy in norway // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    wolfs

    that’s utter madness , your admitting that the basis Of your argument is based on the fact that getting pardew out is a popular thing , and it’s popular now because he is doing the wrong thing more often then not, he should go,

    you want to keep him , we have a guy that owns the club who thinks just like you

    not a fan

  • 162 Mister Tuff // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    WORLDWIDE NEWS SCOOP.
    It has recently been reported that all is not well in the Chelsea camp. Several dissenting “voices” have appeared on Chelsea blogs suggesting that a couple of players need to be sold and some are questioning the re-appointment of Mourhino. Such revelations have shocked the football world, there are reports that FIFA are investigating the matter and that the revelations have caused protest marches in the streets of London near to Stamford Bridge bringing traffic to a standstill.
    My God dissenting voices whatever will happen next.

  • 163 tequilamag // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Catchy is that really all I ever go on about ?
    You have an obsession with Pardew , every post you make is about Pardew and every nuance, comment decision he makes is always interpreted by you in a negative way. It is your failure to be able to differentiate between the good and the bad negates any halfway decent observation you make.

  • 164 Mister Tuff // Nov 4, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    wolfshead – you are going on about silly name calling -you mean the same type of posts addressing others who do not share your views as being “haters” -that you frequently use – bit of hipocrisy there old bean.
    Well you have at least admitted being unpopular because you”go against the num nuts” -I think you’re probably unpopular because you talk a load of sh1te.




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