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Pardew – That’s A Big Boost For Us As A Group

10:36 am, Friday, November 8th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 120 Comments

When Fabricio Coloccini injured his back in the home game against Southampton on 24th February, after trying an over his head clearance,  he was out of the side for over two months with that back injury, until he returned at West Ham on 4th May, and we managed to get four points out of the final three games of the season.

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Alan Pardew - coping without Colo is a big boost

And while Colo was out we played eight Premier League games, won two of them lost five and drew one, and we conceded eighteen goals, so we didn’t cope very well when Colo was out of the side.

But things have been much better over the last three games the captain has missed with his groin injury, and we have four points and conceded four goals.

That has not gone unnoticed by manager Alan Pardew, who had this to say today about Colo’s absence:

“It is the first time we have lost Colo and looked more comfortable than when he’s been out in the past.” “That is a big boost for us as a group.”

“When you lose a player and you can’t cope it affects everybody else.” “We have proved we can cope without him and Cabaye and anybody because it is about the team.”

“It shows we are stronger in depth and that’s good.” “I think we’ve been in good form.” “I said that before the Chelsea game.”

“It is very difficult to beat a team in top form like Chelsea were.” “So all credit to the players, they’ve been fantastic.”

Mike Williamson and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa have played in central defense since Colo has been out and both have been in good form.

But Alan Pardew could still bring Coloccini back into the starting lineup at Tottenham on Sunday, and that seems to be the big unknown at the moment.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Fabricio Coloccini · Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa · Mike Williamson · Newcastle News





120 responses so far ↓

  • 1 cyprus // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    I know we shouldn’t give up on players… Look at Deb, Anita and Tiote now, red faces on those who criticized them.

    YET: I’ve all but given up on Taylor. 1. He never plays, hence is a disruption when he returns. 2. He is prone to Bramble-style howlers.
    Also, given up on Obertan. It’s crazy but I’ve never seen him dribble past a player! (as always, video evidence would be much appreciated) This is a winger, he’s supposed to dribble, once in a while. I would’ve done that, at least once, in 3 years.

    PS. Ed, go to bed man, you’ve lost a lot of posters three four threads back :)

  • 2 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    REPOST!!

    We don’t penetrate enough for his game. We are set up defensively and he was a player who prospered when he first came in a team that was attacking….was one of the top scorers in Budusliga in a team that was fighting relegation….tough league!! Goals against Swansea perfect example of releasing the ball at the right time, even the goal v villa last season away!! Now when we attack we have 1 person in the box, even in the first half against Chelsea it was the same. The season we finished 5th we had 3 or 4 bodies in there!! Look at Southampton as a unit, we have a better squad with better first team 11 I believe but they have a manager who understands the modern game…Pressing high up the pitch, getting 4/5 players in the box to get goals. Buying the right players to fit his formation and not just buying for the sake of buying!! That’s what can be achieved with an ambitious manager, it’s what you do without the ball that is just as important as when you have it!!

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    I hope colo doesn’t come back in….the two lads playing have done well so deserve to keep their spot.

  • 4 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Lilongwe

    Yes we borrowed well in relation to Remy, but we have to utilise him in the right way though. Borrowed though? For a club that is in the top 20 for revenue we can’t afford to pay 7m or whatever it was? Now his values doubled and whatever he does this season for us will mean count for nothing in the future because we only get him for a year. Remy is a wide playing Forward, play him through the middle and the kid is useless, play him with someone who drops deep and he is useless. Play him with someone who will look to run in behind and he will score….because that space is created for him

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    our toon

    remy is pacey and looks to run behind himself.

    At QPR (he said he chose them as they’d play him central) he played through the middle and score a good few goals for a rock bottom team.

  • 6 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Our Toon…I can understand the loan with Remy though. Given his uncertain future and all.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    ibiza

    I’m sure as well that kinnear mentioned they had some sort of clause to buy for a set amount…not 100% sure but think i read it.

  • 8 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    TS…I thought Kinnear had said that there wasn’t a clause?!?

    Mind, since when do we take Joe’s word at face value?

    The man could say the sun was hot and I’d have to start questioning the validity of it.

  • 9 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Transfer Sage,

    Think you will find Harry played the lad out wide and not through the middle, the lad made a BS reason for why he joined QPR (He went for the money) not that I have an issue with that because we would all move to do the same job for more money!! Yes completely understand the loan deal, but he looks to drop deep and doesn’t play on the shoulder. Never has anywhere he has played in his career

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    our toon

    Well he actually played through the middle at QPR…feel free to check the highlights of last year.

    ibiza

    possibly…i knew he spoke of it but couldn’t remember the details.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    our toon

    apparently QPR didn’t offer him more money…he went there to play the central role he wanted.

    We were both struggling and looking like possible relegation candidates so not much to choose between at the time.

  • 12 cyprus // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    On Remy,
    Was just looking at Champ Table, QPR seem ‘destined’ to come right back. Harry will keep him in that case.
    Birmingham in drop zone! Who’s their coach these days.

  • 13 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Wasn’t it down to a game of Fifa with the owner? :)

  • 14 cyprus // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Wolves looking good for promotion…

  • 15 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    I honestly think we have a deal to sign Remy in place it will be for the 8 million he was available for in the summer if we managed to get him for that it would be the deal of the century as the guy is top drawer

    The only problem is are we attractive enough for him to stay ? We probably wont offer the top wages and ambition to qualify for europe so its likely he will move on after the season ends to the likes of Spurs or Arsenal where he will no doubt become a club legend there!

    I would just love it if for some reason Ashley had a change of heart and sanctioned another spending spree in January imagine we got Ince , Gomis and Zaha on loan and then signed another defender as well ??Could all be signed for under 12 million potentially could be part funded by selling Marveux ,Obertan and Gosling ? We can all dream but last season there was no way we would sign all 5 French players and try to get Remy so stranger things could happen ha ha

    Also why are our youngsters always injured!!Just read that Streete and Good will not be fit enough to go out on loan so thats going to be another couple of months of development wasted

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    ibiza

    i think it was a few things…redknapp is a good attacking manage which makes forwards look a lot better and helps them get into international teams.

    He also got to live in london, really does help to pull people to clubs as its a busy place and good if you have plenty cash.

    Then he also got the release clause so even if they went down he wouldn’t have been stuck in the championship.

    Was a safe gamble for the lad.

  • 17 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    TS…Agreed. Was disappointed, but could and can understand why he made the choice.

  • 18 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Also probably looked like QPR had the better chance of staying up as we had just been beaten off Reading at home had we not?

    Just thinking about it imagine we had signed everyone we should have last summer we probably would have won the Europa league ….

  • 19 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    TS

    Just checked the facts and the only time Remy played upfront was when Zamora was suspended, but for 1 game of Zamora’s 3 match ban Bothroyd came in, Remy played on 1 side and Taarabt on the other side with Zamora through the middle. He went for the money, as much as I hate to say it.

  • 20 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    I agree that London was a good pull for him but from a career prospective his choice was shocking, even the French manager slated him. It became apparent in many French and national paper that the reason for his move was money orientated.

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    our toon

    he played in the middle…watch the games.

    also it wasn’t just the money, it wasn’t a bad choice…it was us or them, nobody else was after him, not seriously anyway.

    He may as well have gone there knowing he could leave if the season ended badly, which it did.

  • 22 Dude // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    The surest sign we have a deal in place is silence from Floppychops. If we hadn’t he’d either be bigging up his return to QPR or instigating a bidding war. Or got Lieutenant Jamie to spout about it on his behalf. It’s not that publicising contract details was ever off limits to Slack Jowels.

  • 23 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Yeah I’m not slating the kid for his choice, which I still firmly believe was for the money, it’s no surprise that both him and Samba were released along with Taarabt yet they kept the likes of Barton? they got rid of highest earners, we wouldn’t offer north of £65k + on someone new!! I’ve watched the games from last season and the way his team was set up was for remy to play either behind the CF or out wide (same position he scored the crazy side footed finish from)

  • 24 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Our Toon,
    The Remy deal bares no significance to what I commented on. You were having a go at Ashley JK and Pardew because they would go sign a player like Zigic. There is nothing in our transfer policy to suggest we would. Got nowt to do with ambition/loans/permanent deals etc.

    As for the Remy deal, can you imagine how much stick Ashley and co would get from the fans if we had spunked £8million and then he was charged and found guilty of rape. Behave man.

    As I said, there is plenty to knock the regime for without making things up to add to it.

  • 25 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    It’s to early for floppy chops to be getting excited about his form, its only November….if he his still performing like this come March then I guarantee floppy chops will be touting him (if he wants to sell him) playing in front of 19k or 50k+, says a lot about the man who chooses 19k to apparently play in his favoured position but then joins the 50k club to go against what he believed in January…..MONEY TALKS!!

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Dude,
    The surest sign we haven’t got a deal in place is the fact that everyone involved has said that there is nothing agreed. Harry has said he doesn’t know where he will end up, but that he doesn’t want any of the loan players back (typical drivel from ‘Arry). Kinnear has said he will return to QPR at the end of the year, and Remy has said he will make no decision about his future until next summer.

  • 27 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Lilongwe

    I’m just stating that your argument is flawed on Remys reasons for joining them against us, we agree to disagree on this particular area, although I agree that a loan was the only option given the off field antics!! As for Zigic it was a tongue in cheek reference and wasn’t meant to be taken literally!! You are the only who did though, Carr has less of a say as he did a year ago and Pards has more of a say than he did a year ago!! We saw the type of players Pards wanted hence the daft comment about Zigic!!

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    our toon

    money does talk but he said he gets the same wage

    working for an attacking manager over a defensive one when a forward also talks…..QPR were spouting off about ambition and a new stadium last year so could easily have been convinced by that.

    They were poor last year but made ambitious signings with the managers and remy/samba…they were wanting to kick on.

    Definitely be back next year and will spend big, have the richest owner in the country.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Our Toon,
    I haven’t given any reasons for Remy choosing them over us?? What are you talking about?

    On Carr, he has pulled out some duds as well. High chance Douglas would have been another, was never convinced when watching him and the calibre of striker that score lots of goals in Holland is generally very low. This suggests he probably isn’t that great. Not to mention he ended up at an average Russian backwater.

    I’d prefer that if we are keeping Pards, which looks likely we back him with the players he wants. Why keep giving a limited manager technically excellent players when he doesn’t know how to set up that way. Like giving a 6 month old an XBox for christmas. It may be a great present but the little tyke has no clue how to use it.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    i don’t see why you think it’s wages when not what the player said…surely he would know.

    and other facts back up his argument, played up front with zamora who comes deeper for flick ons with remy pushing on ahead to get in behind, the lad also had a get out so at worst would be stuck there for 6 months

    hardly like we he rejected a champs league club to go there, he rejected a side who finished 16th.

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    llilongwe

    exactly…pards wants a mix of technical and strong players. So give him that and let him get on with it.

    Just because he wants strong/big players doesn’t mean they also can’t be technical.

    A big CB and CF could be kompany/vidic and benteke/drogba….big lads but technicall excellent too.

  • 32 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    I agree they have plans to grow as a club, when he joined they were favourites to go down though, I just hate it when ppl try to sugar coat things because he joined us on loan!! QPR have fantastic plans and I somehow dobut Remy will be there when this so called new stadium is built (can take a couple of years) I bet the bonuses at QPR were higher than what we were willing to pay, maybe even a sweet signing on fee

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Sage,
    I said all summer Lukaku was the one player I would have broken the bank for. Exactly the sort of striker that Pards would be able to work with, but also an excellent footballer who could link well with other technical players.

    As for the big centre half, I’m less worried about them being technically excellent, as long s they know their limitations and can play the ball simply 5-10 yards. Reminds me of something Keegan said first time round. Darren Peacock was getting stick for not being good enough, but Keegan came out and said that without him the team wouldn’t function as well because he was the only one who knew his job was to defend – kind of similar to Willo at the moment.

  • 34 mindshaft // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    To move some of these fringe /bench players out such as obertan, gosling etc we need someone willing to take them off our hands – something we had no luck with in the summer with Gosling

    a deal us already in place with QPR for Remy for 8million, however the player himself wants champions league footbalk , high wages etc so may not happen
    I don’t think QPR are certs for promotion – think they’ll have to do it through the playoffs

  • 35 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Carr has had some excellent signings but also Pardew has had some say in who got signed Ba , Obertan and Sissoko were players that Pardew has said he wanted to bring too the club could imagine him wanting Debuchy as well Obertan being the only real dud but he has potential so I can see why we signed him cause if someone can get him playing properly you could have a player on your hands!

    Carr has made some excellent signings at small fees and thats the key I think if Ashley made proper funds available then between Carr and Pardew I reckon we would have a beasting team with technical players could imagine us having players like Shawcross, Wanyama, PEA and Valbuena if we would spend the going rate !

    Because we shop in the bargain basement aisle its going to be difficult to sign a good player every time it seems to be the youngsters that have potential that we dont seem to get right ?Some of them could still come good like Curtis Good and Satko

  • 36 wolfshead@toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    mindshaft

    your assuming we wont qualify for the CL then haha ;-)

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    lilongwe

    Yeh, I agree on the CB…if he is technical as well then it’s a bonus, but strength and aerial power is important.

    Lukaku would never have joined us permanently i don’t think, think the lad has much higher ambitions, but a loan may have been a possiblilty…unless chelsea said everton or nobody which was a rumour why west brom couldn’t get him back.

    I know there isn’t limitless amounts of players but surely we scout enough to go find them, villa found beneteke, chelsea got drogba then lukaku…these players are out there.

  • 38 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Mindshaft,
    How do you know there is no deal in place? I think it was Mark Douglas who claimed that there was one. Kinnear has said there isn’t. While not the most reliable of sources there would be absolutely no reason to say there wasn’t if there was in fact a deal in place.

    We didn’t keep it quiet when we had that arrangement for HBA. So why would we now??

  • 39 wolfshead@toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    if we are top ten in january what are the chances of ashley buying if we are bottom 3 the cheque book will magically appear

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Mindshaft,
    Sorry, how do you know there is a deal in place?

  • 41 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    There really are no point in signing all these technical players – look at how many flair players that are in our side!

    …Pardew don’t setup his football style to accommodate flair players and frankly he doesn’t know what to do with them.

    They just end up being labled a luxury we cannot afford in stead of grabbing the bull by the horn and address the real problem!

  • 42 Belfast // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Willo and Mbiwa should both keep their places after last weeks performance. I’d also give the armband to Tiote on a permanent basis. Colo will be away in the summer or even January if he gets the chance.

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    in fairness the players we get are good…not many have as good a record as us, not all players will be a success.

    I think the only two tweaks to the transfer plan would be:

    1. sign players at the right time….either sign back up choice, loan player or out of contract on a short term deal to fill the gaps

    2. buy one or two older players….spurs did it well with redknapp…people like van der vaart, get a few players in around 28-32 who can do a good job whilst the younger/less experienced players develop…have more experienced lads to act as cover if the kids/early 20′s players aren’t coming though as expected.

  • 44 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Big players can be technical no doubting that…but seeing as we should only buy players to suit Pards limited ability why don’t we sell most of the first team? Far to technical for him to manage this lot, bring in the likes of Carlton Cole to suit this guys limited ability. I know we arent world beaters but if I was given a choice of playing in front of 50k + or 19k for the same amount of money then I’d choose 50k. Loic Remy was used up top in Harry Redknapp’s 4-2-3-1, but also alongside Bobby Zamora in a 4-4-2 or as a wider forward in a 4-3-3, we are both wrong he used him in all 3 positions

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    lilongwe

    pardew said the remy deal was complicated….there could be something penciled in but with wiggle room for both sides?

    i can’t see it being nailed on…why would remy commit to us when for all he knows we could finish 16th again.

  • 46 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Sage,
    Agreed, it is a case of looking, and possibly expanding the territories you explore. But then it is also about being willing to spend that little bit more. Would Ashley have seen Benteke as value for £8million?? I highly doubt it!

    On Lukaku, I think if we had shown the desire to get him who knows. Yes he has loftier ambitions then we can achieve in the next 5 years, but at the same time I’m sure he regrets the mistake of joining Chelsea rather than a middling club to one his abilities before moving on. We would have been a stepping stone, but one that puts him in the shop window for any big club n Europe if he was a success.

  • 47 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    I agree with Lukaku statement, missed the boat big time with him, think he would have been fantastic and just the kind of player we are crying out for now

  • 48 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Strength in depth? Really? You’ve come out with some corkers over the years Pards but this one takes the biscuit, need I remind you Alan of the very words you uttered at the end of last season?

    “We still need to make sure we get two or three recruits in there which take us forward.

    “You hear managers taking about needing three players to make the perfect side, but we genuinely need a couple in the first team that complement the others.”

    You sign one player on loan and suddenly we have strength in depth?

    Telling porkies again Alan? Or have you been given a script to read from to try and convince the fans whom Mike Ashley clearly thinks are gullible and will lap up whatever line you feed them?

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    our toon

    i prefer to say we are both right haha

    I don’t think pardew is as technically limited as you make out. He certainly wouldn’t suit a barca squad playing tika taka but he is more than a long ball allerdyce type from his bolton days.

    I think he is somewhere in the middle, occasionaly he has us playing great stuff but a lot of the time it looks very forced and stodgy…if that makes any sense.

    What we need to do is make sure that pardew has the blend he wants….he may struggle to get the flair players like hba and marv in the side but he can still get very technical boys in like cabaye, anita, sissoko, remy, etc

  • 50 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Sage,
    I’d imagine the wiggle room is that if QPR don’t come up then the clause is still there. At best any deal would be a first refusal.

    At the end of the day it really doesn’t make much difference if we have a deal in place with QPR.

    If the lad has a blinding season then clubs higher up the various european leagues will come in for him so he won’t be signing unless we convince him this is a great place. Unlikely with a backdrop of divisions and arguments over ambition between fans, club, board.

    If his season goes rapidly down hill from now, then Ashley wouldn’t be willing to part with the agreed sum as it will be deemed a poor deal for a player who hasn’t performed well.

    We should all stop concerning ourselves with it and just enjoy the lads abilities while he is here.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    lilongwe

    hard to say as he paid more than that for cisse….he also spent 6mil on anita as our only signing (for money) that summer yet it was one of the strongest positions in the team with the most depth. The policies seem a bit wild/untamed…not well though through.

    We may have asked for lukaku, never know (doubt it or they’d have said) but it seems chelsea decided last minute to let him go to everton, definite game time (we have remy and cisse so they may have thought he might not play every week) and they also had a better season than us last year so thinking of better football maybe?

    I agree we could have bid before chelsea and gambled, might have got him then…it thought you mean try to but this summer gone, doubt he’d have moved then when he could be loaned and still have the chance at chelsea next year.

    I still prefer benteke though…but both very good

  • 52 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    I agree we were both right haha. I think Pards would be better served having a technical coach / assistant to give him advice, I cringe when I see him in deep conversations with Carver about changes or anything for that matter!! This season we have reverted to playing decent stuff, just need to be more ruthless and attacking to get what we desired affect!! Unfortunately the likes of Marv and Benny will always be wasted on Pards, yet Jonas and crew will prosper

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    lilongwe

    I’m with you…we at least have him this season so lets enjoy it.

    If we had signed him permanently he may well have had a bit next year and gone then too…may well have lost him after a year that way.

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Our Toon,
    Why does it have to be one extreme or the other?? I know we are Newcastle fans but it isn’t that Black and White. We have good technical players that he has shown he can use, but he also wants to blend that with a little more physicality and directness.

    Last season we played a direct style with technical players, this season we have improved our passing, but the set up still lacks the physical presence at both the back and front that Pards stated he wanted.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    our toon

    that’s something i have said for a year now….pardew can’t go manage somewhere else to learn for months so makes sense to get somebody with that experience and a few fresh ideas to help him out.

    Alex Ferguson said for years that he would swap his assistant every few years so he always had new ideas coming into the club.

  • 56 wolfshead@toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    ciaran

    my take is colo isnt the key player he was in that position thats all as for new players i think pards has given up asking and just accepts what hes given usually when thinks look desperate

  • 57 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Our Toon,
    HBA and Marv have been inconsistent and in and out of teams all their careers. Nowt to do with Pardew.

    Sage,
    Sorry, I meant buy him summer just gone. I think Chelsea would sell, and he has said he wants to be somewhere he plays every week so to develop. Chelsea are looking at buying a new striker, and were in the summer, so to me it is just a matter of time before Lukaku is sold. Anyway, doesn’t matter now.

    On Benteke, Villa spent £8million on an unproven 21 year old playing in the Belgian league. Cisse had been scoring regularly in the Bundesliga, big difference in pedigree there. I may be wrong, if we seriously bid for Thauvin then that would suggest we would be willing to spend on unproven youngsters but I can’t imagine Ashley thinking that buying Benteke at the time represented value.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    lilongwe

    Ah right, you could be right….they have torres, eto’o and ba….and yeh they are looking for a falcao type, huge name to come in so lukaku won’t have a future.

    Could be worth a punt in the summer coming? unlikely but shy bairns get nothing.

    good point on benteke too…cisse was proven. Suppose we just need to wait and see, nothing much else we can do really.

  • 59 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    For all his inconsistencies HBA has won us more points than we’ve lost with him in the team. Benteke was a risky option but has trebled his value, Lukaku will go out on loan again next year but Chelsea won’t sell him, Etoo is 32/33 torres late 20′s, Demba off in Jan, Falcao claims he’s 27 but been confirmed the lad is really 29. Think Mourinho would have thought this one through, he has all the attributes to be a mourinho type striker

  • 60 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Wolfs

    Granted Willo and M’biwa have done well in Colo’s absence. Does that mean we have strength in depth? Given that Colo is no longer the player he once was, does that not suggest that we have the exact opposite of strength in depth?

    Centre half is a position that we have never gotten solid strength in depth, and arguably sold our most useful utility player in the summer who always done a decent job there.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    our toon

    but mourinho doesn’t worry about the future…he wants people ready now.

    if you aren’t ready you are gone and a replacement will be bought down the line, it’s not how it should work but he doesn’t care about academies and kids…not what he gets glory for.

  • 62 STB // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    The likelihood of Rémy being here beyond the Summer is zero.
    He will be courted by Spurs, Liverpool and maybe Arsenal, all of whom will offer more money, Europe/CL and 2 of them London.
    He is also not within the wage structure MA accepts and has already realised through Cabaye’s hankering to get away that there is not sufficient ambition at the club.
    The loan deal was just a short term win-win :
    -for him to stay in PL and guarantee his place in French team and be in the shop window for top 6 clubs
    -for QPR to get him off their wages and get some loan money to bring in Championship solid players
    – for the club & MA so he didn’t have to buy anyone on a long term contract who did not fit his model.

  • 63 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Our Toon,
    Won us more points then we lost??? Not sure about that, here is an extract from a Journal article recently.

    “This season, Newcastle’s win percentage with Ben Arfa involved is 36% from 11 games, which includes two Capital One Cup encounters. Last season it was a worrying 18% from 22 appearances, a figure that includes nine defeats (which comes in at a weighty 40% loss ratio).

    To put those statistics into context, it is worth measuring him against the other player pushing for a starting place. Anita’s win record this season – from ten games – is 40%. Last year, when Anita was widely viewed as getting to grips with the English game, United won 34% of the games while he was involved.”

  • 64 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Its not just our fans that moan about tactics seems Rodgers gets pelters for signings etc http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2013/11/yohan-cabaye-good-signing-liverpool-says-john-barnes-but-only-in-433.html?

  • 65 bills-son // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    If it’s true Remy was offered the same money at QPR …

    Then I bet living in London was a big factor in the decision.

    Footballers have money to burn and there will be absolutely no doubt that some of them will prefer what London has to offer over the Bigg Market and Quayside.

  • 66 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    If playing for a relegation threatened side in the capital means more to Remy than playing for us (unless he gets a big pay increase) then he can leave.

    However, what we need to be doing in ironing out with him whether he wants to stay after next summer, if not then let’s get on the ball early and draw up a list of replacements.

  • 67 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Ciaran…Seems a little proactive, don’t you think?

  • 68 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Problem with Benny, and it was his problem at marseille and at lyon, is that even when he plays well, the players around him struggle! The right back behind him especially as HBA rately tracks an overlapping fullback! Also the central striker suffers as benny rarely releases a through ball early or spots runners meaning the striker often makes runs for no reason and ends up offside!
    Too many people are taken in by him dribbling around centre forwards around the half way line! Hes a talented lad, great close control but he does and has always played for himself and not for the team! He averages 4/5 goals and 4/5 assists a season which is shocking for a player playing right wing! Gouffran isnt half the talent but offers a more consistent return and its no coincidence debuchy has looked worldclass since we dropped benny and weve kept clean sheets over 90 mins vs possibly the. 2 best sides in the league

  • 69 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Ibiza

    Remy is a loan signing. Behind closed doors he will have indicated through his agent if he wants to stay at the club. Even if he wanted to stay, the club will also be aware of how much it will cost to keep him. If he continues his current form we will be looking at 10 million+ which you and I both know means that Remy will not be a Newcastle United player next season.

    My point is that I can accept that (to a point, I mean 10 million for a quality player is not much!) but if we are to accept that, then why don’t we ensure that we’re not left stranded depending on a misfiring striker and an ageing Shola.

    Wishful thinking, but it is how a normal well run club would operate.

  • 70 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    On Remy, tbh i don’t care what his motives for playing are! True he might only get on the pitch for money but whilst hes out there he gives 100% and plays his socks off! Unless we play 11 geordies its rare we’re going to sign players based on their love for the club, they’ll always have other motives! Aslong as they give their all on the pitch i can live with that

  • 71 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Just to weigh into the HBA debate, just want to point out that I suggested that Benny was not beneficial to the team and got slated for it.

    Spot on assessment that he plays for himself and not for the team. He is a luxury player that we should probably be looking to move on. He is an extremely talented boy with a ball at his feet, but if he is offering nothing in the way of goals or assists then what is the point of him being on the pitch, or even at the club?

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Ciaran…I was expecting a “ha” or something similar :)

    Completely agree. Whilst I accept there may be some pending factors (police date), any normal club (and hopefully ours…ha?) would have a rough deal in place and if they know that a deal will not be happening, for whatever reason, then plan b should be in place already.

    Fingers crossed aye?

  • 73 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Ibiza

    Ba was Carroll’s replacement – signed him 6 months later than we should have.
    Remy was Ba’s replacement – signed him 6 months later than we should have.

    So it would appear that we will be signing Remy’s replacement in January 2015. We can cope with just Shola and Cisse until then right?

  • 74 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Ciaran…Don’t forget we’ve got Campbell and Armstrong coming through…

  • 75 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    On another note, theres a bit of momentum building behind pardew to palace! Im not really a pardew fan, tho I think we’d be top 6 bout now had he been given the big striker and defender he wanted! We ‘re not playing bad stuff, bit inconsistent though! Wonder if pardews interest in the palace job suggests he knows hes on borrowed time at nufc?

  • 76 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    jayphoto…Have seen that those reports don’t seem to want to fade away.

    Still not convinced though.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    I think we need to not worry about possible signings and just deal with it at the time.

  • 78 Ibizatoon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    TS…Not worry? Where have you been hiding mate? :)

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    posted it last night but nobody was on…

    i know this won’t happen but would people take adebeyor on loan for 6 months in january?

    He is the bigger, hold up player that would really help us link play more than cisse or shola do, as well as carrying a goal threat.

    He reminds me of mark viduka in mentality, he is very good when he wants to play for a new contract but when he gets it he just eases off and does very little to justify his wage.

    Might be a good option for 6 months though until the summer.

  • 80 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Sage

    Given that the next transfer window is open in 6 weeks, we probably should be considering areas in which we can improve.

    Although, I highly doubt that we will be involved in any January dealings, we’re not close enough to the bottom 3 for that.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    ibiza

    I know, but it seems pointless worrying about what might happen when there is already plenty to worry about haha

  • 82 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    @ibizA – on paper itd seem mad to leave us for palace! But i guess only pardew knows what sitting hes on at newcastle! Palace chairman seems to have accepted they wrre going to be relegated, he said holloway would have remained manager next season even after relegation! They’ll be one of the strongest and richest in the championship and will be favourites to come straight back up! Be a chance for pardew to live back in surrey with his wife and kids, manage a club where the fans love him and will give him time, build a team where he chooses the players, can see why hed be interested

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    ciaran

    did you get my email the other day?

    And I agree we should be, there will be some deals to have in january. Some players he need to move for first team football to have a chance for the world cup will be available…wont be the players in form so a gamble but may pay off in the long term.

    Anyone in form and part of a national set up won’t move for fear of losing their place before brazil.

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    jay

    also it is reported he is on just over 400k a year here, a good wage by anyones standards but not magnificent for a manager of a prem team.

    i’m sure palace would give him the same if not more cash too.

  • 85 UpAndHatem // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Remy was re-bailed until the 21st November, Thursday before Norwich at SJP. Let’s hope the case is dropped this time rather than him being re-bailed again. The boy seems to be coping with it well; a testament to his innocence and/ or mental strength…. I prefer to believe the former. However, surely it will affect him at some point if the bail continues to be strung along.

  • 86 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    TS – id take adebayor! Hes a massive upgrade on shola and id argue gomis! I think we’ll buy a couple player in jan but can see HBA or Cisse or both and marveaux and Obertan being shipped out! My guess would be marveaux and HBA sold and obertan loaned out with Gomis and Ince coming in for reduced fees! That’ll be followed by shipping cabaye out in the summer and buying a centre half only

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    jay

    I’d only take adebeyor on loan though. I think the lad doesn’t try hard enough if he gets a good deal, why so many managers have dismissed him.

    He was good under redknapp though so be worth a run to help us finish our season

  • 88 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Adebeyor is a Mercenary

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    jay

    I wouldn’t mind obertan, gosling, marv, saylor (like him just never fit) getting sold….would free up wages for others like ince to come in.

    Got to go for ince in jan as out of contract this summer. If he moves abroad blackpool will only be entitled to £155,00 according to reports compared to a couple mil in UK. We should try to capitalise on that panic nd get him for 2/3 mil.

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    big pappa

    hence the loan…long term he doesn’t try but short term he does to try and get a good contract somewhere.

    he is a good player, i don’t mind a mercenary if they give a 100% on the pitch….I think he will for 6 months

  • 91 Ian Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Am I missing something?

    Mike Ashley is a man who has twice employed Joe Kinnear, and not to clean the toilets at St James’s Park but to have an actual say on football matters at Newcastle United, and as such, you would think that he doesn’t care what other people think of him. Well, you’d be wrong, for Mike is a sensitive soul and he cares very much about all the criticism aimed at him by all those embittered nutters, meanies and haters, especially after all he’s done for his own ego and Sports Dir … wait! For Newcastle! After everything he’s done for Newcastle United Football Club. Eermh! It’s just so unfair. Sure, he twice hired Joe Kinnear, made Kevin Keegan cry, oversaw a relegation, snubbed an Icon and left him on the MOTD sofa, tried to rename the ground the Sports Direct Arena, tried to turn the ground into a branch of Sports Direct, refused to sign any players permanently in the summer, made friends with Wonga and tried to make players do shifts in Sports Direct on their days off but that was all for the benefit of his own ego and Sports Dir … dammit! Done it again! Newcastle! It was all for the benefit of Newcastle United Football Club.

    And how do these ingrates repay their dear leader for his benevolence? A Newcastle fans group,, stage a march before the Liverpool match and call for Ashley to leave – the bare-faced cheek of it, not least because the mere thought of Mike Ashley should make any sane human being go weak at the knees. But instead – and this is where it gets really bad, – then the media goes off-message and covers the march. Honestly, the nerve. Well, this would not do, the paranoid travesty, Mike only goes and bans three local papers from covering Newcastle’s matches and entering the club’s training ground, before sending the offending journalists for re-education at one of his dedicated Sports Direct camps. They’ll soon learn and geddit!

    Some have condemned the move as a reaction unbefitting of the owner of Newcastle United but not me. Even though I am a strong advocate of a free press I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Ashley on his blinding magnificence, inquire as to whether he has been working out and condemn blogger lies that claim he is a mean spirited, wretched individual who should go forth and multiply.

  • 92 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    One player I would love us to sign is Max Kruse from Gladbach .

  • 93 Ciaran // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Sage

    Only got it last night, but I had a look over what you were talking about and I thought you put forward some excellent points.

    Can I talk from what you’ve just said that you’re predicting a few incomings and no outgoings?

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    ian

    enjoy the spurs game last night?

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    ciaran

    No idea at all, I haven’t heard anything about the club for quite some time, no more than paper talk anyway.

    Just my opinion on the matter…i have no idea, there is no pattern when we spend…the only one is that we spend when in trouble…when going ok/doing well there is no pattern to it.

  • 96 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Sage,
    I’d happily take Adebayor, but would prefer someone who can come in and settle while we still have Remy at the club taking pressure of in terms of goals.

    Even on loan though, I reckon Adebayor would be out of our price range – Man City are still paying a proportion of his wages, a City friend of mine reckons it is around 50k of a 200k a week contract, so I’d imagine he is way above our wage structure.

  • 97 Ian Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Not especially but then I am more used to watching the toon- ha ha.
    Liked the look of Lamela he could start on Sunday for the first time. Definite talent. Defoe looked as if he’s lost some pace so not off interest to us. I guess there won’t be to many on show on Sunday. Remy should do well going left because Walker seems to have gone backwards from when I last saw him.

  • 98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    I don’t know Mike Ashley personally so I don’t know how he would be as a dinner guest, but as a football owner he’s a frigging idiot! Period!

    So what’s new? :D

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    lilongwe

    true, he will be out of our range but it could benefit spurs.

    Say we agree to 40k, thats 40k they pay less, considering they aren’t using him at all.

    but more importantly adebeyor could potentially help us take points off their rivals for a top 4 spot which would be a big incentive to them.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    ian

    llamela impressed me for the first time last night…in other games i hadn’t see anything to show his talent but last night he ran at people well…still didn’t link great but that takes time to know your team mates, definitely a threat though.

  • 101 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Lets not forget Lamela was playing against Sherrif, The PL is a different animal . Although he does look talented.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Ian/Sage,
    Lamela will take a bit of time to settle, but the boy is a special player.

    On Adebayor, yeah, they could view it that way. I suppose it could all depend on how well they are doing come Jan, and whether they get a buyer for Defoe. If Defoe leaves, they won’t be able to let Adebayor leave without taking a big risk. Something AVB seems averse to.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    big pappa

    of course, needs to be taken into account the opposition.

    My thoughts were that the odd prem game he hadn’t ran at people to even lose the ball or take a chance. Last night he took a chance which is what he needed to start to do.

    Hopefully he can’t have his first storming prem game this week.

  • 104 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    lilongwe

    I think it’s not really worth a discussion about as I can’t see him being the type of player we go for.

    A big thing is made of character, remember gervinho? i don’t think adebeyor would pass that test.

  • 105 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    lilo

    just think adebeyor is win win…probably get a decent price on the loan and if we can’t make a permanent signing in gomis (not sure why they want him but they do) then it’s the kind of deal ashley should look to instead of just going without.

  • 106 Mister Tuff // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Ian Toon @91 -I’ve read your essay twice and still do not know what the hell you are on about. Could you possibly re-write it – but use no more than two sentences.
    Review:-
    4 out of 10. (a muddled splurge, with attempts at humour, which does not allow the reader to follow any thought processes and come to an informed opinion of what the content message is). Must work harder, try again.

  • 107 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Sage,
    I seriously hope we don’t go in for Gomis – I can’t see any benefit to signing him other than he will be cheap. Cheap, but not value.

    Yeah, would be better i to get a stop gap rather than nothing, but I’d prefer to do something permanent. Come the summer our top 2 strikers would potentially need replacing, I dread to think how we would go about doing that. At least with Remy already here we don’t look as desperate as we potentially will in the summer.

  • 108 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Lads just to weigh in on the HBA argument, yes he doesnt bring anything apart from when he has the ball at his feet…Ginola was the same and countless other players do the same thing, difference is that really good managers get the best out of these players. As for exposing the right back, our right back and left back expose themselves by attacking more than they should!! If one attacks the other should sit but they both attack together, Danny Simpson didnt seem to do to bad with Benny in the team, Benny playing in an attacking team when we finished 5th was fantastic!! Bottom line is that Pards and the coaching staff are hopeless with players of this ilk

  • 109 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    What percentage of those stats included the cups that Anita played in last season? In the league he was pretty poor, like the rest….not his fault though as ball was being hoofed 80 yards bypassing the midfield

  • 110 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Would anyone take Luuk De Jong or Siem De Jong in January if they were going for cut price ?

    Luuk has struggled in Germany but its because of the football that his team play we would play a bit more direct which would suit his game could be a steal at 6 million

  • 111 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    @jesper – ive met Ashley before through work, seemed a decent guy to be honest, bit casual mind! One of my clients whos a massive stoke fan is pretty good friends with him, he reckons Ashley is mad about nufc, always boasting about players like cabaye and that and always talking about the club in general and that really positively

  • 112 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Santon,
    I’d much prefer Luuk De Jong to Gomis, although I still don’t think he is a goalscoring centre forward. He may offer us the Dirk Kuyt style at Liverpool, lot of graft, works hard for team and chips in with the odd goal.

    Siem on the other hand, well I think he is a very good player, but another central midfielder, albeit a bit more attacking. He isn’t the priority for Jan, but would be a good signing if we weren’t run so frugally, or if Cabaye left.

  • 113 Wayayman // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    I’d take that Shane Ferguson lad at Birmingham. I wonder how much they’d want for him, do you think we could get him?

    ;-)

  • 114 Transfer Sage // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    santon

    pretty much agree with what lilongwe said on those two players.

    as for forwards, not loads i know of…llorente is struggling at juve and wants a move. maybe him?

    will be some lower profile i haven’t seen/noticed

  • 115 jayphoto // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Luuk de jong would be my number #1 pick for playing up top for us! Think hed fit the side well! Siem ive not really seen as much of, think hed be a cabaye replacement though?
    Quite like sighortsson at ajax and finbogasson at SCH doesnt look bad, think we need a striker that can hold up the ball! Not sure we ‘re looking for a 20 goal a season striker as we have goals on the wing and in midfield when we play well! Think Remy could contribute 15 goals a season with cabaye and gouffran contributing 8-10 each! Add into that a centre forward that gets 10-15 a season and we’re not in bad shape!

  • 116 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Was the main reason why i mentioned De Jong hes younger than Gomis has the potential to become top drawer this move has not worked out for him we could revive his career I also think we could maybe get him for about 6 or 7 million cash up front

    With our current set up I believe we really need a striker who can hold the ball up and bring others into play and who can be a danger at set pieces if he can chip in with say between 10 and 15 goals that would be great !

    Llorente would be top of the food chain unfortunately we dont shop in that market would also like to see us sign a young English prospect of a striker that lad from Coventry looks decent

  • 117 wolfshead@toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    tuff

    i wouldnt have had you down as student of the good book or is bible.com along with thesarus.com your top two reference tools ;-)

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    ian

    i cant work out if you are being sarcastic if not that post was hilarious :-)

  • 119 Our Toon // Nov 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    I’m quite sceptical of these Dutch strikers, Ricky Van Wolf hasn’t exactly set the league on fire and neither has Bony, I remember Alves at boro wasn’t great although the records of the players have been unbelievable in Dutch league, doesn’t surprise me that Luuk has struggled in German league, big step up from where he was playing

  • 120 toonicle // Nov 8, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    There’s a few posters on here (more than a few in fact!) who should be collaborating on an apology letter to big Mike Williamson I think. He’s been solid this season so far.




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