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More Youngsters Could Go On Loan Soon

11:03 am, Thursday, November 14th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 41 Comments

Gateshead manager Gary Mills is hoping that he can get a few of the Newcastle youngsters on loan at Gateshead in the next couple of weeks, before the local deadline rolls around.

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Some of our younger players like Adam Campbell, James Tavernier, Gael Bigirimana, Remie Streete and Curtis Good need to be playing regular football this season,

And the Newcastle – Gateshead partnership is a good one with Paul Dummett, James Tavernier and Jak Alnwick all having successful loan spells over the river.

Gar Mills is keen to see that partnership continue as he said this in the local press today:

“Make no mistake, we’re tucked away up here in the North East and it can be hard to get players to come.” “So it’s a strength, to me, to have Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough close by.”

“Without mentioning names, we have tried to get a couple of players from the big teams up here. It’s not happened so far but they’ve not ruled it out, absolutely not.”

“You have to be very careful about which players you do bring in, you have to get the right ones.” “We can’t get carried away just because it’s Newcastle, it’s Sunderland, it’s Middlesbrough, and think their players must be better than what we’ve got here, because that’s not always the case.”

“But if you get the right ones, as much as they can be good for us, I think they have to realize how good we can be for them as well.” “I know Peter Beardsley knows how good this level is, and how I like my teams to play.”

“That’s why he likes players to come and play for my teams, because we do it the right way.”

Newcastle currently have Shane Ferguson (Birmingham), Conor Newton (St. Mirren), Mehdi Abeid (Panathinaikos) and Romain Amalfitano (Dijon) out on loan.

Players who could make the move on loan to Gateshead could be 18 year olds Adam Campbell and Remie Streete, although we’re sure Gateshead would love to get 20 year-old Curtis Good playing for them too.

16 year-old local lad Adam Armstrong could also be fast-tracked with a loan stint at Gateshead this season.

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Tags: Adam Campbell · Conor Newton · Curtis Good · James Tavernier · Loan Moves · Mehdi Abeid · Newcastle News · Paul Dummett · Romain Amalfitano · Shane Ferguson



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41 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Given how close to the first team I consider Bigi, I’m not sure a loan to Gateshead would aid his development much? If a champo team came in for him I would welcome the loan move though.

  • 2 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Lilongwe

    My post about Derby being paid for renaming their ground was purely factual, despite some other idiot adding a false opinion to my post, I never expressed an opinion on the matter.

    Renaming our stadium for a few months was always billed as a way of showcasing the potential to other sponsors, this proved true did it not? So who cares that the club didn’t get anything from SD for a few months, hardly anyone used the name anyway.

    £7M over 10 years would definitely not be a price I would consider worthy of renaming our grand old ground, but would happen if the amount became £7M a year? Personally I would like to see the club retain more of its community feel but I know that’s at the expense of money and therefore probably success too.

    I also think the argument that Virgin were willing to pay more than Wonga is just daft. There’s no logic for MA to accept a lower amount, so why would people believe that rubbish?

  • 3 lesh // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Gateshead would be an excellent development opportunity for a real rookie, not for the likes of Bigi for whom it’d be seen as a retrograde step. First division and Championship clubs yes but semi pro sides no.

    Ibiza.

    If you really have vacated your fence and plan to use that space to showcase it’s potential, might I suggest you ask Ashley for some advice? There will be a nominal consultancy fee for it, but you can be assured it will be packed with advertising boards (Sports Direct-related brands possibly?) in no time.

    Ashley’ll take care that fees are advantageously structured too. So all on all, you’ll have nothing to be concerned about – that’s part of Ashley’s service.

  • 4 Rotonda heights // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    It seems so obvious to make Gateshead a feeder club and loan as many as possible. Could get the heed moving up the leagues as well.

  • 5 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Lilongwe

    Also, the youth players? So people are slating the club’s academy that only Dummett and Sammy have played minutes this season, yet we were slating the club for relying on youth too much last season.

    Sure, I’d like to see more youth players come through, but they have to be better than our current players and that’s tough, not many under 22 year olds play in the PL these days, especially the British ones.

  • 6 Rotonda heights // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    TDS

    I think a lot of people would respect your opinions more if you didn’t adopt such a dictatorial tone as if you know best all the time. It can be a bit tiresome and detracts from some of the valid points you do make.

  • 7 clinath@ed // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    ah IBIZA…where do I sit? Good question, I’m afraid I have always been cursed with seeing both side of every argument! So I often find myself agreeing with Catchy and TDS during the same blog.
    The simple truth is I love NUFC, always have since the early 60s. Its NUFC I love, not the owner the manager or even the players…they all leave me eventually, but the TOON is constant in my life.
    Is Ashley, Pardew or Cisse good or bad for us….? I don’t know, but I’ll continue to support and watch them at every opportunity.
    Can I borrow your fence for a while mate….I’ll keep it clean and safe till you’re ready to have it back.

  • 8 Hatem's better than Messi // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    It’s absolute madness.
    So many (not so) young players with hardly any match experience.

    I guess Gateshead is better than no loan but if our players aren’t good enough for the Championship then they are probably not good enough for us.

  • 9 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Ibiza

    I didn’t know that NUST had been banned from the fan’s forum but I know now.

    I think it’s massively frustrating that the fans forum has been disrupted after one meeting. However…

    The issue is that MA runs the club as a modern business, we all know this. Inviting a fan into a meeting to discuss the nuances of the club and the business makes things difficult when e fans don’t also grasp business. I would not be happy if I had a business meeting about my business including a customer and then the customer published the minutes.

    What they should have done was to have an entirely neutral person to take minutes and that person alone should have been authorised to issue the minutes. Others could comment of course, but that would have stopped others (fans’ groups and the club) from putting their own agenda on top of it.

  • 10 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Rotonda

    I’m sorry…I didn’t think I came across that way.

    I think often I’m trying to get across facts to kind of temper the obvious emotion that is spilling around right now.

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    clinath@ed

    The funny thing, I find myself agreeing with many points that Catchy, JfA and even Ruddy! come up with. The huge difference is the view of the scale of these issues and also how to handle them. Some people are very sensitive about the slightest slight and I think I look at the bigger picture a bit more.

  • 12 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    TDS,
    On Derby, you stated it as though you were using it to point out how you were right about stadium naming rights being sold. I was merely pointing out that what Derby have done i nothing like what Newcastle did.

    Secondly, I never once stated we accepted a lower offer from Wonga, I pointed out that the deal signed with wonga was a similar value to the previous deal, yet it included stadium naming rights, therefore making the naming rights a very minimal income.

    On youth, around 5% of minutes played in the Prem are by U21′s (4.45% to be exact, roughly 544 minutes per team). Newcastle’s minutes by players classed as Under 21′s is half that.

    The point you make about people complaining only Dummett and Sammy have played this year and the over reliance on youth last season can both be correct.

    It is proof that our development of players isn’t good enough. Had we developed our youth better then there wouldn’t have been an issue with over reliance as they would have been good enough.

    Now that only Sammy and Dummet have played, with neither setting the world alight, it highlights once again how we have failed to develop players to enable them to challenge for a Prem place.

  • 13 Ibizatoon // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Clinath…That post is definitely deserving of my fence.

    It’s an emotional moment for me, look after it well.

    Truth is, I think the majority have the same love for the club, or why would they be here and put themselves through the aggravation?

    Everyone has different views on how we progress I suppose, let’s hope we get some positive change soon, whatever that may be!

    TDSarf…It’d be interesting to see if the two sets of minutes tie in with each other? If they do, then I really don’t see what the problem is.

    Actually, I don’t see what the issue is with them posting their thoughts etc from the meeting anyway. For me, it’s just another example of Ashley only allowing things to be done his way. Yes he is the owner, but he cannot control everything.

    I tend to agree with NUST that it has nothing to do with the minutes, more that they didnt like being asked certain questions, which goes back to, what is the point in the fans forum? Is it nothing more than an empty gesture?

    If so, shouldn’t we as fans be taking action to try and bring change?

  • 14 clinath@ed // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    anybody got a cushion I could borrow…?

  • 15 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    TDS,
    Whichever way you look at it it shows that there are problems in the academy and development process at the club. You described the attitude of bloggers who thought this as negative when the academy was backed up with the stat that we used 1.6 homegrown players per game. Ignoring the fact that 3 of them came through 5 or more years ago….

    Anyway, that was just a quick visit. Back to do real work.

  • 16 Belfast // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    No Clinath, but I’ve got a coat in the house that might fit you ?

  • 17 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Regarding youngsters, I just took a look at transfermarkt to see what the youth players have done for the clubs around us. Just to show players who played for the club when under 18 and are still under 22:
    – Everton (Barkley 827 mins)
    – Swansea (Davies 770 mins)
    – Southampton (Ward-Prowse, Shaw and Chambers (1689)
    – Spurs (Townsend 843)
    – Liverpool (Sterling, Wisdom, Flanagan 369)
    – NUFC (Sammy, Dummett 253)

    So ok, we don’t have stars like Barkley or Townsend but I see Sammy and Dummett getting more minutes this season, don’t you?

  • 18 clinath@ed // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    on topic (sort Of) I recently watched a reserve game against WBA at the Hawthornes….Thought youbg master Armstrong looked a very good prospect. Cambell just looks too small whilst Vuckic is just too damn lazy!!
    Used to be a fan of Tavernier’s, but the lad only looks good coming forward, really struggles to read a game when defending.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Lilongwe

    I stated it as a fact that football clubs (businesses) will do this more and more. I didn’t offer an opinion on whether I believe it’s right. But it won’t be long before a 100 year old stadium is renamed. I really don’t think what Newcastle did is a big deal, they just explored an option to get more revenue, the significant people would never accept the ground being renamed and the process proved that.

    Nobody knows if Virgin were prepared to offer a similar amount to sponsor us this season and maybe the stadium naming rights are just a PR exercise because they realised there would be anarchy if they renamed the ground permanently. Maybe MA needed an excuse to go back to the original name rather than just admit he was wrong. Dick.

    Good stats (the 4.45% for youth) and it’s a shame we have under half that. I’d bet the majority of minutes played would be from that one star that played for them (Townsend, Barkley etc.) rather than several players. We turned up one of those recently in Carroll and the previous one was Krul, let’s hope we don’t have to wait too long for the next…

  • 20 clinath@ed // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Thanks Belfast, don’t suppose there is a matching hat available ??

  • 21 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Ibiza

    I totally agree regarding comparing the minutes.

    There’s a difference between posting opinion based on minutes and posting a biased version of the minutes. Minutes of a meeting are meant to be factual so should not be subject to bias. In fairness to NUST (I had a quick look), they appear to be presented in that way but maybe there are some issues that the club have which I can’t see. Minute taking is a skill and I think in a sensitive issue like this it should be done by professionals and then allow the parties to pass comment afterwards.

    If it’s about not being allowed to ask certain questions, then that is ridiculous. Assuming the questions were asked in a respectful manner, then everything should be on the cards. What I don’t know is if inappropriate questions were asked, like some of the comments on this blog.

  • 22 Belfast // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Sorry mate no hats, only a coat.

  • 23 Hatem's better than Messi // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Is Tavernier ever going to replace Debuchy?

    From what I’ve seen 0% chance. Get rid, buy a younger top prospect.

  • 24 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Lilongwe

    I’m not sure it hugely matters when those 1.6 players were brought through. What it does show is that 1.6 players out of 11 are taken up by players coming through our youth team. So yes, you can see that no youth player has truly broken through to our first team since Carroll but the standard is always improving and we’re lucky enough to have a stronger squad this year so competition is tighter.

    It’s a dilemma really…I’d love to see Sammy and Dummett performing week in, week out for a lower PL club or top championship club, but I also want to have them in our squad in case we need them.

  • 25 G // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    HBTM, like whom? Quality young full backs seem to be in very short supply these days. In fact, full backs in general seem to be short in supply. Take the transfer furore over Manyoo wanting Leighton Baines over the summer. Does anybody realy belive Baines (good as he is) is worth north of £25 Million? No chance.

  • 26 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    TDS @21
    The issue was that the minutes NUFC printed were heavily edited, NUST posted the minutes that had been taken, as they informed NUFC they would do and this seemed to upset our PR department quiet a bit

  • 27 Belfast // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Tavernier’s another player who looked a decent prospect and hasn’t made any progress for some reason.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    TDS
    Also those minutes you posted for the youngsters are massively to do with dummett, no way has sammy had more game time at this stage of the season compared to last, he’s barely featured

  • 29 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    G
    In all fairness we missed hugely in not snapping up clyne

  • 30 G // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    @29, True. What do you reckon he’s worth now then?

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    G
    Young promising English FB who’s an established 1st team player and being touted for the senior national team?
    £8-10 mil?

  • 32 G // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    So, in inflated market, where a club is under little pressure to sell, and he’s English, so we can double that, plus he’s got 3 years to go on his contract. I reckon about £30 Million now. I agree though, he’s probably actually worth £8 Million.

  • 33 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    TADS

    Like I said, they should have hired a completely neutral professional minute taker who would compile the minutes and send them to be published to all sources. You can’t have minutes published by 2 sources. Alternatively one party needed to produce a draft of the minutes and send them to the other party to be reviewed and edited. It’s unprofessional to publish minutes of a meeting without prior review and approval from all parties. Still…not a justification for banning them unless they clearly flouted an agreement that was clear.

    And yes, most of the minutes are for Dummett, I think Sammy has around 80 in the PL this season so far though.

  • 34 wolfshead@toon // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    or ronnie corbett who is a natural professional minute talker :-)

  • 35 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    TDS
    All I can go on in regards to the agreement is from the statements made by NUST after there appointment and after there ban stating a condition was that they had the right to publish the minutes from the meetings so the fans could access them, a condition which they have stated was approved by the club
    They also (somewhere) either published the letter recieved or extracts (can’t remember fully!) from Wendy Taylor after the ban, petty doesn’t do it justice!
    I’m not disagreeing that the meetings were set up in a less than professional manner, but what at the club is

  • 36 toonincheek // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    TDS -

    No, I don’t think showcasing the stadium naming rights did prove to be true.

    I reckon MA knew he had made a mistake and covered it up by insisting renaming the stadium back to St. James as part of the Wonga deal.
    Wonga may not have got the stadium name, but they got cred for “renaming” it as St. James.

    No way of knowing.
    Just my opinion.

  • 37 lesh // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    clinath@ed

    If you’ve taken over Ibiza’s spot in the fence, don’t worry about needing a cushion.

    Just sit on it long enough and your body’ll adapt as you grow in stature!

    As for Campbell being too small, Beardsly wasn’t and isn’t exactly giant. If memory serves well, he scored a couple for us and others….. Or am I imagining his input?

  • 38 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    TADS

    I read that the club released the minutes 24 hours later than they said they would so NUST released them instead. Unfortunately I think this is unprofessional of NUST as the minutes would have to be approved by all parties before being released. That sounds like a mistake by NUST but hardly a big one.

    MA appears to be very sensitive of negative PR and is trying to avoid it wherever possible, the problem is that he doesn’t appreciate that it isn’t a usual company and customer relationship here, there are real emotion and loyalty issues going back generations.

    Since when do Sports Direct have to think about customers who have only shopped in SD, so do their brothers, so do their parents, so did their grandparents etc….

  • 39 Ibizatoon // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    TDSarf…Sorry, my internet went down.

    It is an interesting one. At the end of the day, if it is really down to the club feeling that NUST have misrepresented the minutes, wouldn’t a more reasonable approach have been to issue the “correct” minutes and warn NUST about future action?

    Seems rather petty to just ban them on the back of that. It certainly has made me think that they’re more angry about the content of the questions, as NUST claim.

    It all comes back to if the club has nothing to hide, why are they hiding? If people are misinformed, then correct them.

  • 40 jimmysmith // Nov 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to point out that St James’ was actually renamed Sports Direct Arena for quite deal longer than “a few months” or that no one cares that it happened any more, seeing as we now have the name back.

  • 41 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    TDS
    The NUST made it clear in all statements they reserved the right to release the minutes, if NUFC missed the deadline to releases them on there website then that’s the unprofessional part

    Why do all parties need to agree on the contents released, there the minutes not a press release, so the only reason the PR department have to be upset is because they wanted them edited, otherwise if they were releasing the full minutes they would be a carbon copy

    Sorry but it feels very much like your deflecting blame when there is none to be deflected




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