Newcastle Open Negotiations For English International Winger


News in the Mail today that Newcastle have opened talks for Manchester United winger Wilfried Zaha, to take the England International winger on loan for the rest of the season.

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Wilfried Zaha – on loan to Newcastle

Crystal Palace would have liked to have taken their former winger back on loan, in an effort to help them stay in the Premier League, but Wilfried has rejected that proposal, and it seems he wants to join Newcastle as his preferred club for the loan deal.

Wilfried joined Manchester United last January, but was immediately loaned back to Palace for the rest of last season.

Bu he has played just once for Manchester United this season, and that was in their very first game – the FA Community Shield against Wigan, but he hasn’t played since.

The news is that the English International’s representatives have recently met officials of Newcastle last week, and we assume that was Joe Kinnear, and it was about the possibility of a six-month loan deal.

The 21 year-old was tracked by Newcastle for a while before he signed for Manchester United, so it’s seems that Alan Pardew rates the winger highly, and the Ivory Coast player already has one full cap for England, but since physically moving to Manchester his career has stalled.

But with so many wingers at Newcastle, including youngsters like Sammy Ameobi, we’re not sure why Newcastle are bringing this player in on loan, since we will have to play the 20 year-old, and that will prevent other players like Sammy Ameobi as one example, from playing.

We’re not sure if there is a permanent signing clause in the loan contract, but if there is that would make some sense, but Newcastle will not pay the £10M (rising to £15M based on performances),  the Red Devils paid Crystal Palace for him in January.

But maybe if he shines at Newcastle, he would be worth a straight £10M in the summer?

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

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32 comments so far

  • Ben3arfa

    Nov 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    Comment #1

    ZzZzZzzzz Ashley’s tiht ship. instead of trying to sign Tom Ince permanently in January were trying to sign Zaha on LOAN .

    PATHETIC KINNEAR and FATSHLEY

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  • ToonMatt

    Nov 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    Comment #2

    NO ambition at all at this club and the sooner Ashley sell’s up the better, loaning players for a club this big is unacceptable I agree with Ben3arfa Ince is a better player too.

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  • Tommyy

    Nov 17, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #3

    Well I must say that last thread was a depressingly enjoyably read. It’s almost as if this blog has become an amateur audition for a Newcastle United based soap opera. Bravo chaps… Bravo.
    On this particular topic of debate, I don’t want Zaha here. I believe him to be overhyped, lacking in end product and not a player who will provide us with quality. In my opinion a key reason we would ever be interested in him is because he has the media spotlight (always a bonus for NUFC) and that he’s English. He’s not ready for Premier League football and we cannot afford to bed him in for Manchester United.

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  • Ginger

    Nov 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Comment #4

    I think Zaha is better than Ince personally. Not sure I see a point in loaning him. He’s not good enough to be making a huge impact on games, obviously he will be in the near future but most of that will occur once the loan deal would have expired.

    Whereas Remy offers something big to us now and Lukaku does too Everton. So those are good examples of loan deals.

    If it was a loan to buy at the end of the season then brilliant, but honestly no thanks if it’s just a loan. Wait it out, let him not get played and his value will continue to decrease. Then purchase him when he’s cheap or is demanding to leave due to lack of games.

    On the article.

    Ed, as much as I love this blog and love you in general. I can’t help but feel you’re ridicously wrong about wingers. You bring it up every time we’re linked with a winger but it’s not true.

    We have currently:
    Sissoko – Who is a CM.
    Ben-Arfa – Who won’t play due to work rate.
    Gouffran – Who is a striker.
    Sammy Ameobi – Who is nothing specail. Not even sure is Premier League quality.
    Marveaux – Who is a CAM for me.
    Obertan – Not ready for first team, may still come good but he needs a loan. Glad he’s bulked up.

    So realistically we have three natural wingers, Sammy, Obertan and Ben-Arfa. Unless Ben-Arfa sorts his head/work rate out, I don’t think any of them are good enough to be playing and neither does Pardew.

    Therefore, I do think we actually need some wingers.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Nov 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Comment #5

    Getting players on loan was not really practised at SJP. However, I get the feeling that it may be the current thinking of the regime -ie relatively cheap method of plugging holes- and keeps us away from the relegation spots. If we had a whole host of quality youngsters nearly ready to break through into the first team -I could see the benefit of getting a loannee to tide things over for a short period. However, with the current regime I suspect “el cheapo” deals will be the order of the day with the thinking being to maximise profit for Tubbs.

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  • Blofal

    Nov 17, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    Comment #6

    I just dont see a place in the team for him… unless we play Gouffran up front with Remy which I think could work. I dont know which wing Zaha plays on. Does he track back enough?. Maybe this?

    Debuchy-Willo-Mbiwa-Santon
    Sissoko-Cabaye-Tiote-Zaha
    ——Remy-Gouffran.

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  • HAZZY1

    Nov 17, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Comment #7

    Zaha can be used in a 442 as striker with either remy or sub with the new target man he is quick and skillful and will score goals thats what I see him as cisse will be sold to make money for the target man?
    4-4-2
    Debs – Willo – Mbiwa – Haidara
    Sissoko – Cabs – Tiote – Goofy
    Remy/Zaha – Ameobi/Ola?/Gomis?

    Works well and is well balanced also we have Ben-Arfa for weaker teams so we can change to 4-3-3 with Zaha and Arfa on wings and Remy or New Striker makes perfect sense to me

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  • lesh

    Nov 17, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    Comment #8

    If this story has legs, it reinforces my feeling that Ashley’s setting the club up for a sale.

    I’m sure you’ll all have noticed that he hasn’t commited the club to the long term overheads associated with high wages, capital spend (players and their transfer fees).

    Ashley seems to be hell bent on making the club look like a relatively low-risk investment for any buyer.

    Be patient all you Ashley haters, he may be doing something you might just appreciate – after he’s gone.

    But let’s hope that we’re nit bought by some real money-laundering shyster!

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    Comment #9

    The Jan Transfer circus is starting early this time around !

    I find it just typical that we have a player who wants to comee and play for the club albeit a Loanee and all of th above can do is start rattling on about Ashley,s penny pinching !

    I am no Ashely fan and actually don,t like Kinnear either but:

    It does seem that some of the people who are regularly on here are never ever ever satisfied !

    As for Zaha, well i,ll believe it when it happens !

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Nov 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    Comment #10

    Isn’t Zaha a winger in the non English sense of the word?

    …and isn’t he a flair player? the kind we simply don’t know how to use? Maybe Pardew should stick to what knows 😉

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  • valle

    Nov 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Comment #11

    I agree that taking players on loan unless there is an option to buy is way to short sighted. Its like pi**ing your pants in the cold to keep warm for a minute. We can only hope that Ashley does indeed soon sell this club and somebody with ambition and yet enough sense not to ruin us takes over.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    Comment #12

    Ginger,
    On Obertan, I remember the word potential being constantly used with Shola until he was about 29.

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  • bills-son

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #13

    Can’t see the point in Zaha.

    He always wants to dribble, doesn’t pass when he should and doesn’t track back. We already have a player like that and Pards isn’t playing him.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #14

    If we can get a “to buy” option in these loan deals then they are better than buying outright.

    Without the “to buy” clause loans are useless in terms of team building.

    Look at Remy. Here for a season then gone.
    All those training sessions working on our forwards linking up wasted as we’re back to square one.

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  • scout

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #15

    Will be a great loan signing, some people on here just love a moan. 17 points on the board already and 2 homes games coming up. He’s proving you can do it on the cheap IMO

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  • Dagwoodz

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #16

    Watching some of the bickering on here is about as exciting as arguments about Obamacare. Would much rather watch paint dry.

    On Zaha, I think if France fail to qualify it is a great move. He seems to want to play for us, and could be very influential in determining where we end up. Don’t know who if drop, tbh. But I would rather us be in a position where we have selection choices than have the team pick itself every week.

    If we could pull in a commanding CB to compliment MYM, like Williamson, that would be my priority over Zaha, however. Williamson is doing a cracking job for his ability set. He’s doing such a good job he should keep out Colo, as much as I would like to see him play. No sense messing up a working central back pairing, until form stops.

    A CF would be next on my list, before a winger like Zaha. De Jong might work… worth taking HIM on the loan instead of Zaha as a trial.

    All things said and done, I don’t think we’ll see any signings in the winter window.

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  • scout

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #17

    JFA
    Are you a regular at the games? I’d love to be but moved down south

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #18

    scout,
    Do what on the cheap, finish on 50 points ?

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  • JAMSHA

    Nov 17, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #19

    no thanks i prefere ince

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #20

    I have no idea whether Ince or Zaha is better.

    As Man Utd came in for Zaha, they think Zaha is better.
    Every top club has had a long look at Ince over a lot of years and he’s still at Blackpool.

    Zaha on loan with a “to buy” clause.

    Sammy isn’t good enough. He didn’t set the world alight at Boro. Perhaps another loan and if we sign Zaha move Los Ameobis on a s a job lot.

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  • croftus5678

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #21

    aye this is what i was scared of >.<

    if we get zaha then i dont think we will get any other player apart form a cheap striker if we even get that ! (we may just get luuk on loan also)

    ofc could change if we sell a player maybe.

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #22

    bills @ 13

    Spot on.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #23

    scout,
    Always have been but enough was enough this summer, away games only now.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #24

    Dagwood
    Without the petty bickering this blog wouldn’t last 47 minutes.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #25

    Zaha is a move to make us look active, but really, like Remy, it’s just a way of spending nothing for Ashley.

    You’d think we have less home gates than Wigan.

    I hope he is doing this to sell up. The sooner the better.

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  • Dagwoodz

    Nov 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #26

    Jail,

    I understand that some need the confrontation to justify things in their own mind, but it’s just plain drool inspiring dross. Live reading the normal banter on here regarding the Toon, but when it becomes a contest of wills in an argument over whose opinion is more incorrect, I really feel like sticking my jewels in a fire ant hill. Everyone is entitled to their opinion… The thing that some on here neglect to remember sometimes is that were stuck with what we’ve got.

    Now, I will say that if everyone was a fence sitter like Ibiza, we wouldn’t have anything to talk about…

    BTW, i`ll take the under on your estimation on how long the blog would last….

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #27

    Some of the comments on here are extremely useful and i enjoy reading them !

    The Bickering, however is not why i come on here, but the bickering results in me not coming on here so often immo !

    Three points on saturday against The Canaries anyone?

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  • bobby mango

    Nov 17, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #28

    Agree with Ginger saying we don’t actually have many wingers (or at least good ones).

    This deal seems a bit stupid though – Ben Arfa can’t get a game at the moment. Why would we want another flair player, who doesn’t work hard, has less experience and is owned by another club?

    If it’s a loan to buy it adds more credit but would rather see us addressing the higher priority of a centre forward.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #29

    Actually lads, if you are looking for reasons or declarations for transfers, i can,t give you any?
    They will do just what they want.

    I would be more concerned about who will be leaving?
    than who is going to be Bought or loaned !

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  • scout

    Nov 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #30

    JFA
    Finish reasonably high up, we can’t compete with the top clubs. Personally think a top 10 finish would be good considering the lack of funds.

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  • TacoFlavoredKisses ForMyBen-arfa

    Nov 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #31

    not sure the point of getting another player pardew wont know how to use effectively. I know we are on a hot streak, but you have got to be kidding me if you think our best team involves HBA on the bench. A better coach utilizes the talent he has. lets get off ashley and back tot he pardew bashing!

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  • toonicle

    Nov 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #32

    Sammy has shown well in the games he’s played this year, wouldn’t seem fair to drop him down the pecking order by bringing the same type of player in.

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