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Newcastle After Two Englishmen in January

10:47 am, Thursday, November 21st, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 72 Comments

Newcastle are reported to be after two young Englishmen in the January transfer window, although we’d be surprised if both of them arrive on Tyneside in January, although you never know.

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Tom Ince – Newcastle face competition for Blackpool winger

Alan Pardew has made it clear to Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear, that he wants more British-based players in his squad, so we should see then coming into the club in January and in the summer – hopefully.

We’ve been linked with Tom Ince of Blackpool and Wilfried Zaha of Manchester United for some time now, but both players are wingers, so we think one or the other could arrive in January.

After the pathetic display of ineptitude last summer, when Newcastle  failed to bring in enough players to fortify the squad, and that was for the second summer transfer window running, we are hoping Newcastle will bring in two or three good players in January.

Certainly Joe Kinnear can prove he can actually do the job of  chief recruiter of players at Newcastle, and Geordie spirits would rise, if we are successful in doing that in January.

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Wilfried Zaha – coming in January?

Zaha needs to go out on loan in January to get some playing time, and Newcastle are said to be his preferred destination, and he could be our top target, although we must also bring another striker into the ranks.

If Newcastle can get Zaha in, then it remains to be seen if we will also go after Ince, but the former Liverpool winger can be acquired for a low price – said to be under £4M – since his contract runs out next June at Blackpool.

And of course there will be other Premier League clubs in for the England U21 International – for sure.

Since Zaha will only be on Tyneside through the end of the season – unless Newcastle have ambitions to sign the winger permanently in the summer if he does well – then Newcastle may be better off bringing in Tom Ince on a permanent deal.

Certainly it would be good to have two young Englishmen coming into the squad.

If you had your choice, which player would you go after – and why?

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72 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Ciaran

    Ashley wants mid table mediocrity, a lot like his businesses he wants to spend a minimal amount and reap lots of profit….SD has become an absolute monster since he took over us, I think he will sell in a couple of years but only after he makes a profit. Think he took around £18m out of the club to start paying back the interest free loan (with plenty of strings attached)!! I find it shocking how they can charge the club under £500k but yet advertise for free, we will never get an explanation either. As long as the revenues are kept to a minimum at the club Ashley can roll Pards out and like a sheep he will bang on about the need to be financially viable, meanwhile every other club in the world knows that to get success on the pitch investment is required, we are the only club in the world that seems to be saving.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    All this talk about switching Santon to the right and playing so and so at LB, Anita had a cracking game at RB against QPR last season, makes you wonder though that a club of our stature only has one recognised RB, those advertising hoardings might help pay a back ups wages.

  • 3 Black and White with an army lol // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    we all would welcome both players at Newcastle but MA would simply not get them in.

    MA can’t afford 4 million since he’s skint nor afford to pay there wages.

  • 4 Black and White with an army lol // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    i think either Swansea or Everton will nab Ince or Zaha or even both.

    MA will doubt be looking to sell rather buying.

  • 5 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Anita in place of Sissoko is a confusing concept, Anita who I believe has never played RW to replace Sissoko who quite obviously is getting used to playing RW when we have benny on the bench is just baffling to me!!

    Anita stats: 2012/2013 Season Totals, Started 27 games, 10 games off subs bench (37 games total), 1 goal, 1 assist (Gutierrez offered more going forward and defensively) This season total, Started 7 games, 4 games off (11 games) subs bench, 0 goals, 1 assist. This is in all competitions

    Ben Arfa this season alone, 8 games started, 3 off the bench, 2 goals and 3 assists

    Moussa Sissoko started 18 games last season scored 3 goals and got 4 assists, this season he has played 11 games and got 1 assist!!

  • 6 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    If we went to 3 in middle of midfield with Tiote sitting (which I would prefer) then Sissoko would be my choice next to Cabaye. Strong athletic can tackle see a pass and score!! As well as giving us some much need brute strength and height, Anita is good but has a long way to go before he can break into the team!! He plays really well whenever given the chance but apart from doing the basics, what else does he actually bring to the team? Last season I think we saw the best of Anita when Cabaye was out injured, and for all the pleasing ball retention he never once grabbed that midfield & controlled a game with his performance (even though he played well) he didn’t bring anything to the team in an attacking sense or defensively, but ball retention was good!! I’m not sure what he brings to us as a team though, can anyone offer an explanation or am I just wrong on this!!

  • 7 Scottiedog // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    @ Our toon – The reason Benny is not played on the right wing is that he does not track back and that leave Debuchy exposed. Benny is a great player in the way Berbatov is a great forward!! 25% World beaters 75% waste of space.
    I really would not be too bother if we sold Benny if it meant we could bring in Ince

  • 8 martoon // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    We supporters are a fickle lot:
    HBA has gone from hero to zero whereas Willo has gone from should be sold to the lynchpin of the defence.
    I’m no better just saying ;)

  • 9 Rainrix // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    martoon…. Standard fair really. A few months ago debuchy was worse than simmo, now our entire defence is in jeopardy of falling apart due to his absence ;)

  • 10 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Martoon – Spot on we are incredibly fickle

    Scottiedog – we lap up the BS coming out of Pards mouth regarding tracking back but yet the same numptys lay into the likes of Gutierrez for being to defensive, surely no one works harder than Jonas (especially tracking back) are you suggesting he should be in the team for his work rate?

    Debuchy leaves himself to exposed with or without Benny because he can be to attacking, yes Ben Arfa doesn’t bring enough going back but he brings more to our team as an attacking threat (his job)…only a negative minded manager would nit pick at tracking back as being a deficiency….the advantages of having him in the team outweigh the negatives. The only time Benny shouldn’t be in the team is when we play away against the bigger teams

  • 11 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Football is a fickle sport, it’s no surprise that fans are of fickle nature.

    I would just like to point out that even after his worldly against Fulham and his world beating display against Villa I was still questioning HBA by seeing if he could do it consistently, he hasn’t and is on the bench. I also stated that Willo’s performance in the 2nd half against Everton did not warrant his position in the team, and while he has done an ok job recently I still feel he is woefully short of the standard required to play for Newcastle United.

    Just saying.

  • 12 Scottiedog // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Ourtoon – Yes I am saying work rate is very important!!!! I would rather have a player for 90 mins than on one that just gives me 10 mins of magic!! That is why Benny is a Sub!!
    I can understand why you would think that we should keep him in the team Ourtoon but it just takes on e sloppy backpass when we are at 1-1 and before you know it we have lost the game and it is Pardews head on the block, but Benny is still our hero!!

  • 13 Ancientcoptic // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Man O’ man, what I wouldn’t give to see Ben Arfa’s stats that show how much running he does off the ball.

    To say Ben Arfa does not track back is pure fantasy, part of Ben Arfa’s biggest problem is that he does track back, but gets caught bringing the ball out of defence.

    I have seen games in which Ben Arfa tracks back, and others where he has stayed higher up the pitch, I presume under instruction to hit teams on the counter attack.

    From what I have seen of Ben Arfa, he will track back if instructed to do so, the problem is that he just isn’t a defensive player and sticks his feet in like he is playing hockey. It actually sickens me slightly to see Ben Arfa hunting the ball a few yards outside our own box… one of clairefontaine’s finest ever produced attacking players, chasing a ball like he plays for Crystal palace, eugh!

    Ben Arfa is what he is, why change him. Most outsiders say Ben Arfa is a cut above, and too good for Newcastle. I hate to say it, but there were times I thought this was correct, being unable to utilize such an amazing talent is the clubs flaw, not his. Can you imagine what a top class European manager could do with Ben Arfa… and here we have some Newcastle fans talking about him not being good enough for Newcastle. It makes me feel like we do not deserve good players, when I hear a certain section of fans talk about players of such high calibre and prestige like they are not good enough.

  • 14 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Ciaran,

    Agree on both statements, Benny isn’t consistent but then again name me one player in our team that is? On his consistent days he is unbelievable and on his non consistent days he brings the same amount going forward as our current wingers!! In a team which seriously lacks any creative nous he is a must for me especially against lesser teams, our FB’s are more attacking than our wingers, FB’s should always concentrate more on the defensive aspect of the game. Problem is we criticise benny when our FB’s hardly cover themselves in glory (defensively), then we slate Jonas for being the team player that he is and for not giving anything going forward….fans need to decide what they want!!

    Williamson – never been a fan and never will be, sorry but last 2 games we were carved open on numerous occasions (especially Spurs) and only 1 out of 1000 times do we come away with a clean sheet in that game (if played out the way it was again), the fact that our keeper made the most saves ever in a PL game should have alarm bells ringing….but the fickle bunch that we are we think he and the defence performed well!!

  • 15 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Ancient

    HBA is single handedly one of the laziest players to ever grace our club. Talented yes, hard-working? Not on your life.

  • 16 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    It’s all well and good wanting better players at our club, but I really don’t understand why some people are constantly critical of workmanlike player at our club.

    Even when we were up in the top 4, we had solid players like Peacock, Barton, Watson and Beresford.

    We need players like Willo, Shola and Jonas at our club.

  • 17 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Our Toon

    I agree that if we had more solid full backs then we would be able to focus on our wingers simply going forward. Although, could it not be said that the reason that Debuchy looks much more sound now is because he is not left completely and utterly exposed by HBA’s unwillingness to offer anything defensive on that wing? The only reason we got beat by Hull at home was because HBA let Debuchy like a lamb to the slaughter and Bruce targeted the RB time and time again because of it.

    The notion that HBA has no defensive responsibility is a joke, and not a funny one.

  • 18 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Scottiedog

    What Benny does in 10 mins is more than what Sissoko and other wingers do in 180mins of football, depends on how you wish to view things. I see him as an attacking player who should be given license to attack utilised in the other teams half rather than in a position to play a sloppy back pass which BTW he has never done. Scottie you have used a scenario which has never occurred to back your argument but I understand what you mean, I look at someone like Benny and he sometimes has 2 or 3 players marking him / around him meaning he will automatically create space for others without even touching the ball, the only player in our team that has that type of attention, other managers highlight him as a danger man, you and Pards see him as a weakness & there lies the issue!! Instead we play with wingers that bring nothing going forward (except Gouffran) but help out defensively….Negative tactics. Even Gouffran is very hit and miss, he is not consistent!!

    Ancientcoptic is spot on with his assessment, every team needs flair players, Coutinho at Liverpool doesn’t track back but brings a lot to the team going forward, Berba at Fulham, Hazard and Mata at Chelsea, Ronaldo at Man Utd (early days) it’s how you utilise these players that’s the key…Mata doesn’t get a look in now mainly because Oscar brings more going forward and defensively!! Look at our history, Ginola awful defensively but fantastic going forward, sometimes as a manager you just have to accept that this type of player won’t do the dirty aspect of the game but will end up winning you more pts than you lose!!

  • 19 Nufc-83 // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Ancientcoptic // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Man O’ man, what I wouldn’t give to see Ben Arfa’s stats that show how much running he does off the ball.

    To say Ben Arfa does not track back is pure fantasy, part of Ben Arfa’s biggest problem is that he does track back, but gets caught bringing the ball out of defence.

    I have seen games in which Ben Arfa tracks back, and others where he has stayed higher up the pitch, I presume under instruction to hit teams on the counter attack.

    From what I have seen of Ben Arfa, he will track back if instructed to do so, the problem is that he just isn’t a defensive player and sticks his feet in like he is playing hockey. It actually sickens me slightly to see Ben Arfa hunting the ball a few yards outside our own box… one of clairefontaine’s finest ever produced attacking players, chasing a ball like he plays for Crystal palace, eugh!

    Ben Arfa is what he is, why change him. Most outsiders say Ben Arfa is a cut above, and too good for Newcastle. I hate to say it, but there were times I thought this was correct, being unable to utilize such an amazing talent is the clubs flaw, not his. Can you imagine what a top class European manager could do with Ben Arfa… and here we have some Newcastle fans talking about him not being good enough for Newcastle. It makes me feel like we do not deserve good players, when I hear a certain section of fans talk about players of such high calibre and prestige like they are not good enough.

    Absolutely bang on. Do you see mata or silva putting in a major shift defensively NO that is because they are attack minded players and should not be expected to be defending in their own box. HBA works hard enough when on the ball and when off the ball in an attacking sense.

  • 20 Nufc-83 // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Scottiedog

    What Benny does in 10 mins is more than what Sissoko and other wingers do in 180mins of football, depends on how you wish to view things. I see him as an attacking player who should be given license to attack utilised in the other teams half rather than in a position to play a sloppy back pass which BTW he has never done. Scottie you have used a scenario which has never occurred to back your argument but I understand what you mean, I look at someone like Benny and he sometimes has 2 or 3 players marking him / around him meaning he will automatically create space for others without even touching the ball, the only player in our team that has that type of attention, other managers highlight him as a danger man, you and Pards see him as a weakness & there lies the issue!! Instead we play with wingers that bring nothing going forward (except Gouffran) but help out defensively….Negative tactics. Even Gouffran is very hit and miss, he is not consistent!!

    Ancientcoptic is spot on with his assessment, every team needs flair players, Coutinho at Liverpool doesn’t track back but brings a lot to the team going forward, Berba at Fulham, Hazard and Mata at Chelsea, Ronaldo at Man Utd (early days) it’s how you utilise these players that’s the key…Mata doesn’t get a look in now mainly because Oscar brings more going forward and defensively!! Look at our history, Ginola awful defensively but fantastic going forward, sometimes as a manager you just have to accept that this type of player won’t do the dirty aspect of the game but will end up winning you more pts than you lose!!

    Again bang on!!

  • 21 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Ciaran,

    I’m not being funny here but Hull game is a prime example of going in at HT leading a game and playing well. After the inspirational team talk that was given which happens all to often when we are leading at HT. We defend and get caught out because we want to hold what we have, tried it against spurs and got battered for the whole of that 2nd half, reading last year, Cardiff, WBA away last yr. I could go on forever since pards has been manager!!

  • 22 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Our Toon

    Don’t get me wrong Pards stuffed up there big time, but even before Hull scored Debuchy was getting caught out, even in the 1st half. It was Pards’ fault for not fixing it, but the fact that HBA offered no help down the wing was a massive factor.

    Also, can we not compare HBA to Mata and Silva and the likes. Those players consistently perform practically week in week out. HBA hasn’t been Pardewed, he simply isn’t as good as these players.

  • 23 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    The goals for Hull in that game came from a free kick (given away by Anita) which resulted in a free header not bennys fault, Aluko’s goal came from a cross which was poorly cleared to the edge of the box and tbf to the lad he scored a very good goal. I can’t recall where Benny was at fault for the goals unless you can refresh my memory!! yes he didnt support Debuchy but we didnt concede because of that!!

  • 24 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Ciaran

    Those players perform consistently in attacking teams with unfortunately better standard of players who are intelligent enough to make runs for the likes of Mata/Silva to find, I’m pretty certain HBA would have a field day in teams such as theirs!! You say it yourself…Debuchy was getting caught out, Debuchy was and still is btw. We have experienced an element of luck which has been earned by the effort, similar to when we finished 5th

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    HBA’s problems have nothing to do with him not tracking back. It is the fact that he is an individual, and plays for himself. Because of this we often waste possession in good areas of play due to him running into a brick wall, blasting high and wide or waiting far too long to release the ball.

    Without HBA players have been more willing to run for each other because they know that they are more likely to receive a pass, or create space for a team mate to receive a pass.

    He has never been a regular starter anywhere he has played because of these reasons. I know exactly what a top manager at a big club would do if they had him – bench him or sell him.

    Is it a coincidence our best team performances this season have come without HBA on the pitch? Why would we sacrifice improved team performances for a player who does something incredible for 10 minutes out f every 6/7 games.

    I missed the Villa game as it wasn’t on here, and neither were the early league cup games, but have seen all the other games and HBA has played well for the team for 15 minutes so far this season.

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Seriously? Comparing HBA to Silva and Mata? They are in a different class to him. Even with NUFC tinted glasses on surely we can see that.

  • 27 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Our Toon

    Their first goal came down the right flank, our defence was stretched and Brady was left unmarked at the far post.

  • 28 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    HBA would not have a field day in a team like Man City or Chelsea because he would not come close to even starting for either of those two teams. While Mata, Silva or Suarez or the likes do not bust a gut tracking back, they do work hard for the team. HBA does not.

  • 29 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Lilongwe

    wasn’t comparing him to them players but did state that he is a creative player like them!! If you would call them 2 performances as our best then that doesn’t say much for how we’ve played this season, personally I see a team that capitulated in the 2nd half against spurs!! wouldn’t have been surprised if we shipped 5.

    Not comparing actual players but defo comparing the type of players so bearing that in mind IF we had Mata or Silva or any other creative player would you lot be crying out that they don’t work hard enough and shouldn’t be in the team?

  • 30 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Our Toon,
    I don’t remember mentioning any games in my post…. so not sure why the Spurs mention is relevant. I’d look more at City in League cup, Chelsea and Cardiff first half.

    As for your last part, you obviously didn’t read my post where I said his faults had nothing to do with his tracking back. For the record, yes I would have Mata and Silva in because they create and play for the team, not for themselves, not to mention the fact that they are far superior players.

    If HBA is such an incredible player how come none of the big clubs have tried to sign him?

  • 31 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    As for that first goal if I’m not mistaken Brady is a winger, surely its the FB’s job to be marking the winger not Ben Arfa’s? was the defence stretched because 1 player was out of position or were a few of em caught out? I think we didn’t repect Hull and paid the price for it

    Ben arfa may have only played for well for 15mins this season but in that 15 mins he’s won 6pts!! How many pts has Sissoko won playing at RW? As I have said against the bigger teams I wouldn’t play benny and against the lesser sides I would!! We can’t sit back and break against Norwich we actually have to attack.

    Marseille were clearly happy to let him go Lilongwe…Hmm!! All teams need flair/creative players just as much as we need the like of Jonas (the grafters)

  • 32 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Lilongwe

    The reason none of the bigger clubs have gone in for him is due to his injury record, I remember Liverpool being linked to the lad this time last year and even Brendon saying there is something in it but he wouldn’t elaborate because he isn’t there player. Benny got injured 2 weeks later and not seen till Feb/March!!

  • 33 NUFCarter // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-25029785

  • 34 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Our Toon,
    He has won us 6 points? The team has managed to win us 6 points without him in the last 2 games. I don’t get why you prefer individual glory once in a blue moon to an improved team?

    HBA has contributed a combined total of more than 10 goals and assists once in the league in his 9 season career. To put this in context, that is 3 times less than the very average Adam Johnson, and the same as Seb Larrson. All of those have been at Prem level.

    Are we also saying that Seb Larrson and Adam Johnson would excel in the very top teams?

  • 35 kevymartins // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Ruddy you still on here talking sh!t you f***ing moron, piss off. C**k sucker.

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    BTW, that is a bit tongue in cheek, but you started it by using Hazard, Mata, Silva, Ronaldo and Coutinho in your posts which is way off ability wise as well!

  • 37 ethiotoon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    i haven’t seen them both playing yet.but either way i’ll welcome either of them because marveaux is currently isolated and struggling,he couldn’t make the sub either so that’ll be great addition.one of them could also be future replacement for jonas guitirez.it’s toon’s world..

  • 38 Nufcjoss // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Ince! Zaha is great and such a talent, but if we play him good, he goes back next season (as will Remy) Ince could be a part of our future and a great contribution to our squad! It’s probably easier for Joe to get Zaha in, and therfor also the result of january. Plz mr sport director, go out of your comfortzone and look Ince down and let manchester U, develop Zaha.

  • 39 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Actually, just double checked, Larrson has never got more than 10 combined in the league but has got 10 3 times….

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    On topic, not overly keen on Zaha, again lots f dribbling effort, but very little end product to show most of the time. He has the opportunity to improve that, but no point in us trying to get him to do that for 6 months.

    Ince is okay, 2 million would be about right. Anything more and you are paying for the column inches and his surname rather than actual proven ability. Still, has a bit of potential, and would be a decent squad replacement for Sammi/Obertan.

  • 41 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Kevy

    Where exactly is that coming from? You’re nothing but a bloody child.

  • 42 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Lilongwe:

    How many games have they played to reach that amount of goals (Johnson and Larson)? I’d bet they played the whole season. Give Benny an entire season and his stats would be better, bottom line though is he still contributes more going forward than anyone else in our team look at the stats you have spouted out and tell me that his replacements have fared better. Sissoko 14 games, 1 assist and 0 goals, Btw you said he only played for 15 mins this season in that 15 mins he managed to get the a very good winner against a very poor Fulham team when a draw looked inevitable (Won us 3 pts) and was really good against Villa getting a goal and an assist (another 3pts) although it is a team game you keep referring to improved performances though and I ask which performances?

    Krul Won us 3pts against Spurs, We were shocking in that 2nd half, I don’t see where the improved performance was in that game (Most saves by a PL Keeper ever) IMPROVED PERFORMANCE?

    Johnson even had a spell at City

  • 43 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    I’d prefer Ince on a permanent basis rather than Zaha on a temporary basis, why assist Man Utd in developing Zaha when we have Sammy….Doesnt send out the right message for me

  • 44 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    HBA is a good player, on his day he is a very good player, if not one of the best in the league, but the problem is that these performances are too isolated to warrant playing him week in week out. The best players do not always make the best team.

  • 45 Rainrix // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    NUFCarter…. BBC mentioned the march, that’ll be them and MOTD banned by nufc then. :)

  • 46 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Our Toon

    Adam Johnson certainly did not excel in a top team, he was dreadful for City. He’s showing what an average player he is this season for Sunderland.

  • 47 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Our Toon,
    You seem to have selective reading, as i said, I didn’t see the Villa game, so I couldn’t include it either way, but the good 15 minutes I have seen was against Fulham where not just his goal, but he also lifted his head and was getting the crosses early into the box – from which we nearly scored twice.

    Again, as to the games I listed 3 higher up, but you chose to ignore them in favour of again bringing up Spurs….

    Yes, Johnson played for City, and sharply left as he wasn’t good enough.

    Sissoko has played 13 games for us, and has zero assists. Goofy however has scored more, and has 2 assists. Bear in mind 2 of HBA’s were against Morecambe….

    He is undoubtedly our most skillful player, but that doesn’t translate in to being our best and most creative player on the pitch.

    Anyway, I’m off now, got some actual work to do.

  • 48 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Ciaran

    I agree with what you are saying but our wingers don’t produce anything for more games than Benny doesn’t. Gutierrez last season played 40 games and scored 1 goal with 0 assists!! But the lad is one heck of a grafter. Sissoko (Who should be played centrally) 14 games 1 assist this season 0 goals

    Shola Amoebi who should be replaced by Benny in 5 man midfield and Remy up top Shola’s stats 5 game (4 started) 0 goals 0 assists 2 shot off target 0 on target (only goal Nigeria….btw what a goal that was) please tell me as an attacking option what he brings us, apart from putting himself about and winning the odd header the guy is useless!!

  • 49 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Our Toon

    I agree that our options are limited. As I posted in the last thread I think we should have a midfield 3 of Anita, Cabs and Tiote, with a front 3 of Gouffran LW Remy CF and HBA RW, because this best uses the options we have available. However, given how well Remy seems to be doing up top with a big CF who can hold up the ball I would stick with Shola up top for now and change things up when they next need changing.

    However, just because I think HBA is one of the best attacking options for us at the moment does not mean that I think he should have a long term future here. I agree that he offers much more than Gutierrez ever will, and is more attack minded on the wing than Sissoko, but there are differing reasons (namely tactical) why these players may be preferred to HBA.

    In the long run I do think unless HBA shows himself more willing to play for the team rather than himself, he should be moved on. While players of his calibre and ilk are in short supply on Tyneside, the best interests of the team far outweigh how much I enjoy watching HBA on a good day. HBA on a bad day is a liability, and unfortunately he is a liability more often than not.

  • 50 markmac // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    on the HBA topic, yes he can be brilliant but that old saying of there’s no ‘I’ in team springs to mind…

  • 51 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Lilongwe:

    Benny has started 8 games 1 as sub (9 total) 2 goals and 1 assist, 23 shots, 7 on target

    Gouffran (who I have no issues with) 7 games 4 as sub (11 total) 2 goals 2 assists, 16 shots, 6 on target

    I never asked for Gouffran to be dropped I did ask for shola to be dropped though, or sissoko

  • 52 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    A few weeks back ( when NUFC starting selling Rangers gear on the the NUFC merchandise website ) I suggested that Mike Ashley was diverting funds away from the club not only through advertising but now through the profit from the club shop

    A certain poster claimed I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist who was twisting a simple marketing error (Rangers gear bring flogged on an official club website ) to simply fit an anti Ashley agenda

    http://www.true-faith.co.uk/newcastle-united-sports-direct-questions/

    Was I f**k

  • 53 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Just to emphasise a certain point,

    Our attacking options need to be radically overhauled. We have a CF who cannot move, and is only useful for holding up the ball. A ST who has seemingly lost all knowledge of how to find the back of the net, and another ST who does not even belong to us. Other than Gouffran who is an absolutely terrific option to have, and HBA, we have little in the way of attacking options.

  • 54 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Under an attacking manager the lad will flourish under a defensive manager he will crash & burn, the topic was started off with Fickle Fans (I think) and its a good debate & one I have enjoyed having but I think it won’t be long until fans are calling for him to be in the team or dare I say praising him!! It’s all good sitting back against the likes of Chelsea and Spurs but against lesser teams (apparently) we need creativity & I can’t see that without him!!

  • 55 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    I agree on a lot of points you make Ciaran….lets see how it all unfolds.

    Toonarmydownsouth – Think Ciaran picked up on that earlier and an article which i came across, quite frankly I’m not surprised this has come to light!! The unspoken one has remained quite today but no doubt he will put a spin on it!! Think its disgusting

  • 56 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Our Toon

    There is definitely merit in your argument, and if we see a lack of spark and creativity in either of our next two winnable home games I for one will certainly be calling for HBA to be included. However, I am looking long term. I don’t think he would flourish under an attacking manager. He’s played under other managers of varying ethoses, yet the amount of goals and assists he creates for the team is woefully short of where it would need to be.

    His stats point to the fact that he is frighteningly selfish and nothing else. His selfishness is the reason he does not get a run of games in the first team. He provides nothing for the team when he is on a bad day. Even on a bad day Jonas will run up and down the pitch (which is not enough to warrant a place in the team but at least it is something) Shola will always at the very least be able to hold up the ball. Willo is always at the very least able to be strong in the air.

  • 57 Krul To Be Kind // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    having a wee flick through the posts and see that HBA is today’s talking point. Now, don’t get me wrong, I think he is a cracking little player but an absolute enigma. But how come Pardew gets stick over his inconsistency? (that does make me laugh). HBA had issues playing a team game at both Lyon (which is why he was allowed to leave in reality) and Marseille (at Marseille he wanted to play but just wasn’t given the game time he craved so he sought out the move to Toon). He can be his own worst enemy, but truly a class player on his day (not world class and never was in my opinion). He now needs to earn his place black and only then will we see if he plays the team game that has got us a few very good results this season without him.

  • 58 MacToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Tads, this is really serious and was only a matter of time before certain truths started emerging.

    Love to find out why we paid £500K to his tat shop. Lee Marshall’s a c0ck, he thinks being anti Ashley means you are anti NUFC. I have no more time for him.

    Won’t be long before the players are on 1 hour contracts! ;-)

  • 59 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Krul to be Kind

    I would agree that HBA’s inconsistency is HBA’s problem, not Pardew’s. In fact, Pardew’s management of HBA has been one of the better aspects of AP’s management to be fair.

  • 60 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Only time will tell I suppose, he certainly flourished when we finished 5th and was a major force in that with his assists and goals, we were attacking then WBA away was a fantastic team performance. The lad has never been a happy person elsewhere and admitted to being immature contrary to how he claims he feels here though can have a big impact on a player’s performances!! The best thing the last 2 results have shown Benny (who is greedy at times) is that he doesn’t have to act like the talisman and the team can get a result without him….think he will be more of a “team player” because of this

  • 61 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Tads/MacToon

    I think this needs to be highlighted and challenged. The club receives no money from the vast advertising that is given to Sports Direct. Nufcdirect.com is being run by Sports Direct in its entirety, even with its base being run out of Nottingham so there is everything to suggest that any money made from sales of club merchandise goes to Sports Direct and not the club.

    To make matters even worse, the club is PAYING Sports Direct £500 k a year. For what!?

    The cracks are emerging. Ashley has made pseudo-accounts of the fans. So much so that now actual accountants are taking notice of how Newcastle United is operating and I think more and more revelations will come to light.

  • 62 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Our Toon

    He was an impact in the 2nd half of the season, but I would not say he was a critical part of the team at any part of the season we finished 5th. We achieved the vast proportion of our points that season without him.

    He was a large factor in improved performances, especially WBA away, (our best performance that season by far).

  • 63 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    I would love to see the exact amount the club are loosing in revenue now it’s no longer receiving the merchandise profits, does that come under the commercial revenue?
    Is that the reason it’s roughly £13 million lower under Ashley?

  • 64 Krul To Be Kind // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Ciaran

    I believe how he has managed HBA is the reason why a lot of fans have not turned on him and the fans are so widely split on Pardew.

    However, when you are a team like Newcastle and rely so heavily on team spirit and versatility as we do, HBA is a luxury. A luxury player I love to watch but at the moment I personally am much more interested in results over performance so no complaints from me that he is out of the starting 11 and downgraded to impact sub at the moment. in the next 2 games he needs to make a stake at a starting spot if he gets his chance… I hope he has the minerals to step up to the mark when the opportunity comes.

  • 65 DokToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    gmorning all,

    you know, evrytime im down about things in life, all i need to do is come on here, and realize life is actually worse than i percieved…. :)

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Also note in the comments section of the true faith article a lad called Worky ticket (who writes for another blog, not sure if he runs it, he also I think used to post in here ) states he’s been looking into the accounts and can find no real proof that wonga actually pay anything for the naming rights
    So IF that were the case how much would you say as an estimate that NUFC miss out in through advertising, merchandise, stadium naming rights etc, also heard that the company who are sub contracted to do the catering is also a company owned by cashley

  • 67 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Tads

    Merchandising, sponsorship and catering all come under the term ‘commercial revenue’

    As it stands, we have outsourced the catering to outside companies and therefore make a fraction of the revenue we would be making if we were doing it ourselves. The money from merchandise (or a vast proportion of it) is being siphoned to Sports Direct, and there is murkiness surrounding whether or not Wonga’s sponsorship is financially more lucrative than Virgin’s deal was.

    All of it this would point to the fact that Mike Ashley is intent on keeping commercial revenue low. But why would he be doing that? Well given how we have been told that we cannot invest in signing players, or compete with the top 6 (or even Southampton) because of our commercial revenue is much lower, wouldn’t that seem like a tactic to fool the masses into accepting mediocrity?

    Food for thought.

  • 68 martoon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Our Toon @54 – Happy to be of service starting the fickle fans debate. :)
    I’m as disgusted as the rest of you about NUFCdirect and this £500k payment to SD. I’m wondering if it’s some kind of management/financial services charge because presumably when Llambias left we were left a bit short and used some of SD’s expertise but charging us is a bit much when we give them free advertising!

  • 69 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Haha nice one Dok!!

    Is the £500k pay off for this year or has this been regular payment every year?

  • 70 t00ntime // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Did AP not say HBAs problem now is that his desicion making takes to long? Which I agree with. He takes to long to choose between ‘pass’ or ‘dribble’ and when he chooses pass it takes him even longer to actually pass it. If he sped that up he’d be our best RW by a mile. Against big teams, yes play a bit more careful with hba on the bench, but against weaker teams like Norwich, HBA should be playing. He does trackback but he isnt very good defensively so normally they walk passed him. Offensively he tries to take too much on some times but I hoped he would stop doing that now that we have good players upfront (not jonas+cisse).
    Wonder what AP will go for, same team as vs spurs or change it up and get hba+anita on.

    Also anyone else noticed Lately santon doesnt get out of postion as much? Jonas helped him as much as gouff does so I dont think its that (could be a bit tho). it seems like he has finally learned when to go and when to wait.

  • 71 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Ahhh Martoon why did you have to start that debate!!Agreed ToonTime!!

    Ciaran some say not having Benny in the team a settling for grafters is Mediocrity (sorry couldn’t resist) agreed though, make it look like the club is doing just enough to make a profit but lets make sure it doesn’t reach its potential. Ashley has realised the better the team do on the pitch the more money he’ll have to invest getting to the next stage!! He doesn’t want to us to be in Europe nor does he want cup success, is happy with 10th though (that screams mediocrity to me)

  • 72 ToonMatt // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    This club get’s the 3rd biggest attendances in the country and we are trying to loan players to help develop them for the other clubs? We are not the Boro’ and we are not a small club the sooner this parasite sells up and goes the better! I hate him.




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