Newcastle After Two Englishmen in January


Newcastle are reported to be after two young Englishmen in the January transfer window, although we’d be surprised if both of them arrive on Tyneside in January, although you never know.

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Tom Ince – Newcastle face competition for Blackpool winger

Alan Pardew has made it clear to Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear, that he wants more British-based players in his squad, so we should see then coming into the club in January and in the summer – hopefully.

We’ve been linked with Tom Ince of Blackpool and Wilfried Zaha of Manchester United for some time now, but both players are wingers, so we think one or the other could arrive in January.

After the pathetic display of ineptitude last summer, when Newcastle  failed to bring in enough players to fortify the squad, and that was for the second summer transfer window running, we are hoping Newcastle will bring in two or three good players in January.

Certainly Joe Kinnear can prove he can actually do the job of  chief recruiter of players at Newcastle, and Geordie spirits would rise, if we are successful in doing that in January.

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Wilfried Zaha – coming in January?

Zaha needs to go out on loan in January to get some playing time, and Newcastle are said to be his preferred destination, and he could be our top target, although we must also bring another striker into the ranks.

If Newcastle can get Zaha in, then it remains to be seen if we will also go after Ince, but the former Liverpool winger can be acquired for a low price – said to be under £4M – since his contract runs out next June at Blackpool.

And of course there will be other Premier League clubs in for the England U21 International – for sure.

Since Zaha will only be on Tyneside through the end of the season – unless Newcastle have ambitions to sign the winger permanently in the summer if he does well – then Newcastle may be better off bringing in Tom Ince on a permanent deal.

Certainly it would be good to have two young Englishmen coming into the squad.

If you had your choice, which player would you go after – and why?

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72 comments so far

  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #1

    Ciaran

    Ashley wants mid table mediocrity, a lot like his businesses he wants to spend a minimal amount and reap lots of profit….SD has become an absolute monster since he took over us, I think he will sell in a couple of years but only after he makes a profit. Think he took around £18m out of the club to start paying back the interest free loan (with plenty of strings attached)!! I find it shocking how they can charge the club under £500k but yet advertise for free, we will never get an explanation either. As long as the revenues are kept to a minimum at the club Ashley can roll Pards out and like a sheep he will bang on about the need to be financially viable, meanwhile every other club in the world knows that to get success on the pitch investment is required, we are the only club in the world that seems to be saving.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #2

    All this talk about switching Santon to the right and playing so and so at LB, Anita had a cracking game at RB against QPR last season, makes you wonder though that a club of our stature only has one recognised RB, those advertising hoardings might help pay a back ups wages.

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  • Black and White with an army lol

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #3

    we all would welcome both players at Newcastle but MA would simply not get them in.

    MA can’t afford 4 million since he’s skint nor afford to pay there wages.

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  • Black and White with an army lol

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #4

    i think either Swansea or Everton will nab Ince or Zaha or even both.

    MA will doubt be looking to sell rather buying.

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #5

    Anita in place of Sissoko is a confusing concept, Anita who I believe has never played RW to replace Sissoko who quite obviously is getting used to playing RW when we have benny on the bench is just baffling to me!!

    Anita stats: 2012/2013 Season Totals, Started 27 games, 10 games off subs bench (37 games total), 1 goal, 1 assist (Gutierrez offered more going forward and defensively) This season total, Started 7 games, 4 games off (11 games) subs bench, 0 goals, 1 assist. This is in all competitions

    Ben Arfa this season alone, 8 games started, 3 off the bench, 2 goals and 3 assists

    Moussa Sissoko started 18 games last season scored 3 goals and got 4 assists, this season he has played 11 games and got 1 assist!!

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #6

    If we went to 3 in middle of midfield with Tiote sitting (which I would prefer) then Sissoko would be my choice next to Cabaye. Strong athletic can tackle see a pass and score!! As well as giving us some much need brute strength and height, Anita is good but has a long way to go before he can break into the team!! He plays really well whenever given the chance but apart from doing the basics, what else does he actually bring to the team? Last season I think we saw the best of Anita when Cabaye was out injured, and for all the pleasing ball retention he never once grabbed that midfield & controlled a game with his performance (even though he played well) he didn’t bring anything to the team in an attacking sense or defensively, but ball retention was good!! I’m not sure what he brings to us as a team though, can anyone offer an explanation or am I just wrong on this!!

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  • Scottiedog

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #7

    @ Our toon – The reason Benny is not played on the right wing is that he does not track back and that leave Debuchy exposed. Benny is a great player in the way Berbatov is a great forward!! 25% World beaters 75% waste of space.
    I really would not be too bother if we sold Benny if it meant we could bring in Ince

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  • martoon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #8

    We supporters are a fickle lot:
    HBA has gone from hero to zero whereas Willo has gone from should be sold to the lynchpin of the defence.
    I’m no better just saying 😉

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  • Rainrix

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #9

    martoon…. Standard fair really. A few months ago debuchy was worse than simmo, now our entire defence is in jeopardy of falling apart due to his absence 😉

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #10

    Martoon – Spot on we are incredibly fickle

    Scottiedog – we lap up the BS coming out of Pards mouth regarding tracking back but yet the same numptys lay into the likes of Gutierrez for being to defensive, surely no one works harder than Jonas (especially tracking back) are you suggesting he should be in the team for his work rate?

    Debuchy leaves himself to exposed with or without Benny because he can be to attacking, yes Ben Arfa doesn’t bring enough going back but he brings more to our team as an attacking threat (his job)…only a negative minded manager would nit pick at tracking back as being a deficiency….the advantages of having him in the team outweigh the negatives. The only time Benny shouldn’t be in the team is when we play away against the bigger teams

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #11

    Football is a fickle sport, it’s no surprise that fans are of fickle nature.

    I would just like to point out that even after his worldly against Fulham and his world beating display against Villa I was still questioning HBA by seeing if he could do it consistently, he hasn’t and is on the bench. I also stated that Willo’s performance in the 2nd half against Everton did not warrant his position in the team, and while he has done an ok job recently I still feel he is woefully short of the standard required to play for Newcastle United.

    Just saying.

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  • Scottiedog

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #12

    Ourtoon – Yes I am saying work rate is very important!!!! I would rather have a player for 90 mins than on one that just gives me 10 mins of magic!! That is why Benny is a Sub!!
    I can understand why you would think that we should keep him in the team Ourtoon but it just takes on e sloppy backpass when we are at 1-1 and before you know it we have lost the game and it is Pardews head on the block, but Benny is still our hero!!

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  • Ancientcoptic

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #13

    Man O’ man, what I wouldn’t give to see Ben Arfa’s stats that show how much running he does off the ball.

    To say Ben Arfa does not track back is pure fantasy, part of Ben Arfa’s biggest problem is that he does track back, but gets caught bringing the ball out of defence.

    I have seen games in which Ben Arfa tracks back, and others where he has stayed higher up the pitch, I presume under instruction to hit teams on the counter attack.

    From what I have seen of Ben Arfa, he will track back if instructed to do so, the problem is that he just isn’t a defensive player and sticks his feet in like he is playing hockey. It actually sickens me slightly to see Ben Arfa hunting the ball a few yards outside our own box… one of clairefontaine’s finest ever produced attacking players, chasing a ball like he plays for Crystal palace, eugh!

    Ben Arfa is what he is, why change him. Most outsiders say Ben Arfa is a cut above, and too good for Newcastle. I hate to say it, but there were times I thought this was correct, being unable to utilize such an amazing talent is the clubs flaw, not his. Can you imagine what a top class European manager could do with Ben Arfa… and here we have some Newcastle fans talking about him not being good enough for Newcastle. It makes me feel like we do not deserve good players, when I hear a certain section of fans talk about players of such high calibre and prestige like they are not good enough.

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #14

    Ciaran,

    Agree on both statements, Benny isn’t consistent but then again name me one player in our team that is? On his consistent days he is unbelievable and on his non consistent days he brings the same amount going forward as our current wingers!! In a team which seriously lacks any creative nous he is a must for me especially against lesser teams, our FB’s are more attacking than our wingers, FB’s should always concentrate more on the defensive aspect of the game. Problem is we criticise benny when our FB’s hardly cover themselves in glory (defensively), then we slate Jonas for being the team player that he is and for not giving anything going forward….fans need to decide what they want!!

    Williamson – never been a fan and never will be, sorry but last 2 games we were carved open on numerous occasions (especially Spurs) and only 1 out of 1000 times do we come away with a clean sheet in that game (if played out the way it was again), the fact that our keeper made the most saves ever in a PL game should have alarm bells ringing….but the fickle bunch that we are we think he and the defence performed well!!

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #15

    Ancient

    HBA is single handedly one of the laziest players to ever grace our club. Talented yes, hard-working? Not on your life.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #16

    It’s all well and good wanting better players at our club, but I really don’t understand why some people are constantly critical of workmanlike player at our club.

    Even when we were up in the top 4, we had solid players like Peacock, Barton, Watson and Beresford.

    We need players like Willo, Shola and Jonas at our club.

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #17

    Our Toon

    I agree that if we had more solid full backs then we would be able to focus on our wingers simply going forward. Although, could it not be said that the reason that Debuchy looks much more sound now is because he is not left completely and utterly exposed by HBA’s unwillingness to offer anything defensive on that wing? The only reason we got beat by Hull at home was because HBA let Debuchy like a lamb to the slaughter and Bruce targeted the RB time and time again because of it.

    The notion that HBA has no defensive responsibility is a joke, and not a funny one.

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #18

    Scottiedog

    What Benny does in 10 mins is more than what Sissoko and other wingers do in 180mins of football, depends on how you wish to view things. I see him as an attacking player who should be given license to attack utilised in the other teams half rather than in a position to play a sloppy back pass which BTW he has never done. Scottie you have used a scenario which has never occurred to back your argument but I understand what you mean, I look at someone like Benny and he sometimes has 2 or 3 players marking him / around him meaning he will automatically create space for others without even touching the ball, the only player in our team that has that type of attention, other managers highlight him as a danger man, you and Pards see him as a weakness & there lies the issue!! Instead we play with wingers that bring nothing going forward (except Gouffran) but help out defensively….Negative tactics. Even Gouffran is very hit and miss, he is not consistent!!

    Ancientcoptic is spot on with his assessment, every team needs flair players, Coutinho at Liverpool doesn’t track back but brings a lot to the team going forward, Berba at Fulham, Hazard and Mata at Chelsea, Ronaldo at Man Utd (early days) it’s how you utilise these players that’s the key…Mata doesn’t get a look in now mainly because Oscar brings more going forward and defensively!! Look at our history, Ginola awful defensively but fantastic going forward, sometimes as a manager you just have to accept that this type of player won’t do the dirty aspect of the game but will end up winning you more pts than you lose!!

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  • Nufc-83

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #19

    Ancientcoptic // Nov 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Man O’ man, what I wouldn’t give to see Ben Arfa’s stats that show how much running he does off the ball.

    To say Ben Arfa does not track back is pure fantasy, part of Ben Arfa’s biggest problem is that he does track back, but gets caught bringing the ball out of defence.

    I have seen games in which Ben Arfa tracks back, and others where he has stayed higher up the pitch, I presume under instruction to hit teams on the counter attack.

    From what I have seen of Ben Arfa, he will track back if instructed to do so, the problem is that he just isn’t a defensive player and sticks his feet in like he is playing hockey. It actually sickens me slightly to see Ben Arfa hunting the ball a few yards outside our own box… one of clairefontaine’s finest ever produced attacking players, chasing a ball like he plays for Crystal palace, eugh!

    Ben Arfa is what he is, why change him. Most outsiders say Ben Arfa is a cut above, and too good for Newcastle. I hate to say it, but there were times I thought this was correct, being unable to utilize such an amazing talent is the clubs flaw, not his. Can you imagine what a top class European manager could do with Ben Arfa… and here we have some Newcastle fans talking about him not being good enough for Newcastle. It makes me feel like we do not deserve good players, when I hear a certain section of fans talk about players of such high calibre and prestige like they are not good enough.

    Absolutely bang on. Do you see mata or silva putting in a major shift defensively NO that is because they are attack minded players and should not be expected to be defending in their own box. HBA works hard enough when on the ball and when off the ball in an attacking sense.

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  • Nufc-83

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #20

    Scottiedog

    What Benny does in 10 mins is more than what Sissoko and other wingers do in 180mins of football, depends on how you wish to view things. I see him as an attacking player who should be given license to attack utilised in the other teams half rather than in a position to play a sloppy back pass which BTW he has never done. Scottie you have used a scenario which has never occurred to back your argument but I understand what you mean, I look at someone like Benny and he sometimes has 2 or 3 players marking him / around him meaning he will automatically create space for others without even touching the ball, the only player in our team that has that type of attention, other managers highlight him as a danger man, you and Pards see him as a weakness & there lies the issue!! Instead we play with wingers that bring nothing going forward (except Gouffran) but help out defensively….Negative tactics. Even Gouffran is very hit and miss, he is not consistent!!

    Ancientcoptic is spot on with his assessment, every team needs flair players, Coutinho at Liverpool doesn’t track back but brings a lot to the team going forward, Berba at Fulham, Hazard and Mata at Chelsea, Ronaldo at Man Utd (early days) it’s how you utilise these players that’s the key…Mata doesn’t get a look in now mainly because Oscar brings more going forward and defensively!! Look at our history, Ginola awful defensively but fantastic going forward, sometimes as a manager you just have to accept that this type of player won’t do the dirty aspect of the game but will end up winning you more pts than you lose!!

    Again bang on!!

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #21

    Ciaran,

    I’m not being funny here but Hull game is a prime example of going in at HT leading a game and playing well. After the inspirational team talk that was given which happens all to often when we are leading at HT. We defend and get caught out because we want to hold what we have, tried it against spurs and got battered for the whole of that 2nd half, reading last year, Cardiff, WBA away last yr. I could go on forever since pards has been manager!!

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #22

    Our Toon

    Don’t get me wrong Pards stuffed up there big time, but even before Hull scored Debuchy was getting caught out, even in the 1st half. It was Pards’ fault for not fixing it, but the fact that HBA offered no help down the wing was a massive factor.

    Also, can we not compare HBA to Mata and Silva and the likes. Those players consistently perform practically week in week out. HBA hasn’t been Pardewed, he simply isn’t as good as these players.

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #23

    The goals for Hull in that game came from a free kick (given away by Anita) which resulted in a free header not bennys fault, Aluko’s goal came from a cross which was poorly cleared to the edge of the box and tbf to the lad he scored a very good goal. I can’t recall where Benny was at fault for the goals unless you can refresh my memory!! yes he didnt support Debuchy but we didnt concede because of that!!

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #24

    Ciaran

    Those players perform consistently in attacking teams with unfortunately better standard of players who are intelligent enough to make runs for the likes of Mata/Silva to find, I’m pretty certain HBA would have a field day in teams such as theirs!! You say it yourself…Debuchy was getting caught out, Debuchy was and still is btw. We have experienced an element of luck which has been earned by the effort, similar to when we finished 5th

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #25

    HBA’s problems have nothing to do with him not tracking back. It is the fact that he is an individual, and plays for himself. Because of this we often waste possession in good areas of play due to him running into a brick wall, blasting high and wide or waiting far too long to release the ball.

    Without HBA players have been more willing to run for each other because they know that they are more likely to receive a pass, or create space for a team mate to receive a pass.

    He has never been a regular starter anywhere he has played because of these reasons. I know exactly what a top manager at a big club would do if they had him – bench him or sell him.

    Is it a coincidence our best team performances this season have come without HBA on the pitch? Why would we sacrifice improved team performances for a player who does something incredible for 10 minutes out f every 6/7 games.

    I missed the Villa game as it wasn’t on here, and neither were the early league cup games, but have seen all the other games and HBA has played well for the team for 15 minutes so far this season.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #26

    Seriously? Comparing HBA to Silva and Mata? They are in a different class to him. Even with NUFC tinted glasses on surely we can see that.

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #27

    Our Toon

    Their first goal came down the right flank, our defence was stretched and Brady was left unmarked at the far post.

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  • Ciaran

    Nov 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #28

    HBA would not have a field day in a team like Man City or Chelsea because he would not come close to even starting for either of those two teams. While Mata, Silva or Suarez or the likes do not bust a gut tracking back, they do work hard for the team. HBA does not.

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #29

    Lilongwe

    wasn’t comparing him to them players but did state that he is a creative player like them!! If you would call them 2 performances as our best then that doesn’t say much for how we’ve played this season, personally I see a team that capitulated in the 2nd half against spurs!! wouldn’t have been surprised if we shipped 5.

    Not comparing actual players but defo comparing the type of players so bearing that in mind IF we had Mata or Silva or any other creative player would you lot be crying out that they don’t work hard enough and shouldn’t be in the team?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #30

    Our Toon,
    I don’t remember mentioning any games in my post…. so not sure why the Spurs mention is relevant. I’d look more at City in League cup, Chelsea and Cardiff first half.

    As for your last part, you obviously didn’t read my post where I said his faults had nothing to do with his tracking back. For the record, yes I would have Mata and Silva in because they create and play for the team, not for themselves, not to mention the fact that they are far superior players.

    If HBA is such an incredible player how come none of the big clubs have tried to sign him?

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #31

    As for that first goal if I’m not mistaken Brady is a winger, surely its the FB’s job to be marking the winger not Ben Arfa’s? was the defence stretched because 1 player was out of position or were a few of em caught out? I think we didn’t repect Hull and paid the price for it

    Ben arfa may have only played for well for 15mins this season but in that 15 mins he’s won 6pts!! How many pts has Sissoko won playing at RW? As I have said against the bigger teams I wouldn’t play benny and against the lesser sides I would!! We can’t sit back and break against Norwich we actually have to attack.

    Marseille were clearly happy to let him go Lilongwe…Hmm!! All teams need flair/creative players just as much as we need the like of Jonas (the grafters)

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  • Our Toon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #32

    Lilongwe

    The reason none of the bigger clubs have gone in for him is due to his injury record, I remember Liverpool being linked to the lad this time last year and even Brendon saying there is something in it but he wouldn’t elaborate because he isn’t there player. Benny got injured 2 weeks later and not seen till Feb/March!!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #34

    Our Toon,
    He has won us 6 points? The team has managed to win us 6 points without him in the last 2 games. I don’t get why you prefer individual glory once in a blue moon to an improved team?

    HBA has contributed a combined total of more than 10 goals and assists once in the league in his 9 season career. To put this in context, that is 3 times less than the very average Adam Johnson, and the same as Seb Larrson. All of those have been at Prem level.

    Are we also saying that Seb Larrson and Adam Johnson would excel in the very top teams?

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  • kevymartins

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #35

    Ruddy you still on here talking sh!t you f***ing moron, piss off. C**k sucker.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #36

    BTW, that is a bit tongue in cheek, but you started it by using Hazard, Mata, Silva, Ronaldo and Coutinho in your posts which is way off ability wise as well!

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  • ethiotoon

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #37

    i haven’t seen them both playing yet.but either way i’ll welcome either of them because marveaux is currently isolated and struggling,he couldn’t make the sub either so that’ll be great addition.one of them could also be future replacement for jonas guitirez.it’s toon’s world..

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  • Nufcjoss

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #38

    Ince! Zaha is great and such a talent, but if we play him good, he goes back next season (as will Remy) Ince could be a part of our future and a great contribution to our squad! It’s probably easier for Joe to get Zaha in, and therfor also the result of january. Plz mr sport director, go out of your comfortzone and look Ince down and let manchester U, develop Zaha.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #39

    Actually, just double checked, Larrson has never got more than 10 combined in the league but has got 10 3 times….

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Nov 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #40

    On topic, not overly keen on Zaha, again lots f dribbling effort, but very little end product to show most of the time. He has the opportunity to improve that, but no point in us trying to get him to do that for 6 months.

    Ince is okay, 2 million would be about right. Anything more and you are paying for the column inches and his surname rather than actual proven ability. Still, has a bit of potential, and would be a decent squad replacement for Sammi/Obertan.

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