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There’s Been A Good Mood But Players Must Focus On Norwich

3:18 pm, Thursday, November 21st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 134 Comments

Alan Pardew has said this afternoon that it’s now important for World Cup stars like Yohan Cabaye, Loic Remy and Moussa Sissoko to now concentrate on what’s important for Newcastle, and first up is our tough game against Norwich at home on Saturday afternoon.

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Alan Pardew – important for players

Alan was talking at his press conference this afternoon, and had this to say about the World Cup travails of some of his players:

“There’s been a good mood.” “Most of our players have made it to the World Cup.” “France coming back from two down to come to win has been a big boost for them.”

“Yohan has played in both games so it is good for us.” “Now they are focusing on an important game for their club.” “It is important to focus on what is important for us which is Norwich.”

In fact it seems that only Papiss Cisse of Senegal didn’t make it through to the World Cp finals in Brazil next summer,  and certainly Senegal had their chances against the Ivory Coast in Casablanca, a game that Cheick Tiote missed through suspension.

And it looks like Alan will have a full squad to pick the team from, with Jonas Gutierrez returning from compassionate leave in Argentina, and both Steven Taylor and Paul Dummett now fit from their hamstring injuries.

What team would you field on Saturday, remembering that Mathieu Debuchy is suspended for that game?

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134 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Repost

    Ahhh Martoon why did you have to start that debate!!Agreed ToonTime!!

    Ciaran some say not having Benny in the team a settling for grafters is Mediocrity (sorry couldn’t resist) agreed though, make it look like the club is doing just enough to make a profit but lets make sure it doesn’t reach its potential. Ashley has realised the better the team do on the pitch the more money he’ll have to invest getting to the next stage!! He doesn’t want to us to be in Europe nor does he want cup success, is happy with 10th though (that screams mediocrity to me)

  • 2 martoon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Sorry Alan but Cabaye didn’t play in both games he was dropped for the first game. Cue the Pardew is a liar posts 😉

  • 3 Spoof // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    team for Norwich

    Krul
    Anita Williamson Mbiwa Santon
    Tiote Sissoko
    Cabaye
    Ben Arfa Remy Gouffran.

  • 4 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Pards is a liar Cabs was dropped for the first game!! 😉

    Krul
    Santon, Willo, M’biwa, Haidara
    Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko
    HBA, Remy, Gouffran

  • 5 nufc_123 // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Krul
    Santon Mbiwa Willo Dummett
    Sissoko Cabaye Tiote Jonas
    Remy Gouff

  • 6 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    I would like to add something to this headline that our manager constantly seem to forget:

    “There has been a good mood but players need to focus on Norwich and so does I” 😉

    …now play ball!

  • 7 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Martoon,
    Did France not have a friendly on Friday? Could he be referring to both games in this international window, not both play off games? Don’t know if they did, but it would make sense

  • 8 croftus5678 // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    @4 our toon

    i’d second that selection with cisse on for arfa at some point and dummett on for hairdryer.

  • 9 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Spoof,
    That line up is what I consider our best line up nearly. I’d have Sissoko out and Debuchy in, then obviously swap Anita and Debuchy round. On form so far this year anyway. Sissoko could pick his game up but has been disappointing so far in the main.

    However, I don’t think Pardew knows how to work this formation that well, particularly with the type of players in there. At the minute I would stick with what has won us, I don’t think Shola has done anything wrong, he does a job and Remy looks comfortable with him taking the more physical challenge allowing Remy to concentrate on getting in behind.

    It is when we have to play on the front foot that I feel we struggle, as it goes against Pardew’s natural instincts and he hasn’t worked out how to do it so far. Hopefully he has learned, 2 good results in the next 2 home games will go a way to help me think he is learning.

  • 10 89Norcal // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    @nufc_123

    You would really let Jonas walk right back into the starting 11? I’d have Anita play there before I let Jonas get anywhere near.

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Personally I don’t like the way we play because it seems very limited.

    …we even have problems when we need to make subs cause we don’t have that many players that fit into how Pardew wants to play.

    My beef with it though is what do we do when it doesn’t work? Where do we go from this flat 4-4-2 when we need to make change?

  • 12 martoon // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Lilongwe 7 – I don’t think they would have had time to play a friendly. The first leg was last Friday in the Ukraine and the second leg the following Tuesday in Paris. From memory I think Cabs was an unused substitute in the first game – so Pardew is a liar 😉

  • 13 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Norcal,
    Completely agree, how on earth could you bring Jonas into a team that has won its last 2 games. Particularly as Jonas has had no form to speak of for about 18 months/2 years….

  • 14 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Martoon,
    Ha, were the 2 legs that close together? I have paid so little attention to the European qualifiers that I was just assuming that they had been done similarly to the African play offs!!

    What a big fat fibber he is then!! :-)

  • 15 MosesNUFC // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    My team for norwich:
    4-4-1-1
    Krul
    M’Biwa Williamson Coloccini Santon
    Sissoko Cabaye Tiote Gouffran
    Ben Arfa (free role)
    Remy

    i probs sound a bit cocky here, but i’d really like to see us hammer them 4 or 5-0. that would really put the players and fans confidence sky high

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Kevy Martins

    Wow what a grown up comment on the last thread . You must be all of 12 !!

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Jesper,
    I agree, we are limited, and Pardew doesn’t know how to use the players we have to their full capability.

    Who do you blame though? Pards for his limitations, or Ashley and Carr for giving him players that he doesn’t know how to use?

  • 18 89Norcal // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Lilongwe – exactly, even before his injury he wasn’t a justifiable starter.

    I’m shuddering at the thought of Pards letting him play, but I’m pretty sure he wont.

  • 19 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Lilo

    Totally agree on your assessments of Zaha and Ince.

    Moses

    I like that team but I think Anita should just come in for Debuchy. Colo’s head hasn’t been right for a long time

    Would like to see Benny in for Shola in a proper number 10 position especially at home v a supposed lower club.

  • 20 Ted Bundy // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    HBA doesn’t deserve his spot and the only defender I’d consider dropping would be Santon, but tha isn’t gonna happen, so – no changes aside from Anita to slot in at RB.

    Uncle Shola to partner Remy and come off on the hour, if things are going accordingly, which they will be, as Shola will net a first-half hat-trick.

  • 21 Ted Bundy // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    What will disappoint me most is if the CB pairing is broken up, but I don’t think it will be.

  • 22 MosesNUFC // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    rotonda-i agree but can you really blame pardew if ashley isn’t replacing players who should even be playing for us (Jonas, williamson, obertan, ameobi) with better, more technical, and more english blood. I am loved the way we played against chelsea, no hoofball, a lot of triangles, one two’s, very fluid. But again we are lacking the depth in the squad to consistently play like that. Yes, pardew has his limitations, but believe me, he is a decent manager and i have every faith that he can get us back into the top 8.Its just a shame he doesn’t have backing from ashley or some fans.

  • 23 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    I get that people want HBA in to play against Norwich, but I personally would prefer him as a sub for this one bring him on after Shola has had his 60 minute stint, regardless of the score as even if we are ahead we shouldn’t be looking to play more defensively. If he can impress and work as part of a team against what should be a tiring Norwich back line THEN give him a start against HBA.

    Definitely just Anita in for Debuchy imo. Why disrupt the entire defence for the sake of 1 position. Players should play on merit, not their name otherwise complacency and a lack of effort from those who know they will go straight back out can creep in.

  • 24 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Then give him a start against WBA that should read, although 99% of the time HBA is HBA’s worst enemy!

  • 25 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    I’ve went from being very ardently behind Pardew to being very ardently against him, mainly as I think his default setting is too defensive. However, I do think that with better players in one or two positions he would regularly have us competing top 8, although I do not think he is a good enough manager to be challenging top 6 regularly.

    Given how readily he has sung from Ashley’s hymn-sheet and complied in trying to deceive the fans, I find it extremely hard not to hold him in sheer contempt though.

  • 26 Ted Bundy // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Ruddy

    I’m sure Pardew would be crestfallen to hear that.

  • 27 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Lilongwe…I am not saying the ywo in question have been all fair two the silver supremo 😉

    …but I do think he either need to make do with what he got the best way possible or take charge! It might cost him the job, but MA has tried to sack someone and have it backfire on him 😉 Not sure he is going to go down that patch again.

    Maybe it is just me but I don’t think Pardew is getting enough out of what he has got and that is his responsibility or job for that matter!

    I cannot really comment on the Ashley/Carr situation cause I don’t know enough about it 😉

  • 28 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Ciaran,
    I agree to a point, but it depends on what you mean by better players. 1 or 2 players in the mould of players Pardew wants and knows how to use, or 1 or 2 more technically gifted players who he struggles to get the best out of.

    If it is the former, I agree. If it is the latter, I’m not so sure.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Jesper,
    It certainly isn’t just you. Anyone who is blind in one eye and has impaired vision in the other is seeing Pards isn’t getting the most out of the players he has.

    It is all down to Ashley really, he either gives Pards the players he asks for – more physicality and less technique based or sack him and employ a manager who knows how to use the technical ability within the squad.

    I’d prefer to get a more technical and tactical manager in, but if we are sticking with Pards at least give him the style of player he wants and can use best in his style.

  • 30 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Ted

    I’m sure he is devastated, why you felt the need to pass comment on that is beyond me though.

    Lilongwe

    I mean the former. That is why I think the club pursued someone like Gomis, who in essence, is a slightly better Shola. I do think Pardew favours a 4-4-2 with a big man up top. Until we get an upgrade on Shola and have a better centre forward to hold up the ball, we will always be falling short of what Pardew wants to do with these players.

    I can see the sense in buying a CF, but the very fact that we are pursuing someone as distinctly average as Gomis goes to show the level of ambition at the club currently.

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Lilongwe…I agree. I have been very vocal about this certain problem or should I call it picture we are seeing.

    …we are buying players not suited for how Pardew wants to play. But honestly I think Pardew has a responsibility to make that point to Ashley.

    I am not sure that he has?

  • 32 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Jesper

    Perhaps because Ashley has shown himself to be of the attitude of “shut up, accept what I tell you, and do not question my authority or I will ban you from existing”

    AP is spineless, it’s the reason he is still in the job, and it is the reason that Hughton got the boot.

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    From what I could gather from Pardew’s past then he is basically a 4-5-1 kind of man – maybe that is why he confuses that with 4-3-3 at time 😉 lol

    Seriously…there is that big difference between the kind of flat limited 4-4-2 we play and the 4-5-1 he use to dig so much :-) You just end up using a targetman and a quick lad with one slightly withdrawned!

  • 34 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Ciaran,
    I agree on Gomis, not sure at all what anyone sees in him. I’d say buying Gomis would be similar to buying a Shola of maybe 6/7 years ago. Similar standard of player. Now, with Shola getting on, he is an upgrade, but a very marginal one. I’d rather persist with Shola then bring Gomis in for the sake of having a signing to parade.

    Pards has said he wants a big strong striker, and a no nonsense physical defender. it is a shame Pardew seems to toe the party line after every window closes, if he stuck to his guns I think there would be a lot less anti Pardew talk and much more sympathy for him.

    He still will never consistently perform to a top 6 level, but at least give him the tools he wants to do his job.

  • 35 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Jesper,
    Pardew seems to say what he feels he needs in the squad at the start of the summer windows and then when it doesn’t arrive he says that we decided we was strong enough. I don’t like that about him, if he had seen incredible improvement of Streete/Good at centre half and Campbell/Vuckic up top then I could understand that, but he obviously hasn’t as they would have featured more if that was the case.

  • 36 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Lilongwe

    If he stuck to his guns he would be sacked and he knows he will never have a job as big as Newcastle United again, so in a sense he is being pragmatic in his approach to the media and defending Ashley’s policy. It royally pisses me off and ensures that I will never respect the man, but I can understand why he does it.

    I agree that we should not be going for Gomis, but the reality is that with 6 months left on his contract we will either nab him for about 2 million in Jan or sign him for nothing next summer. It is purely an economic rather than football related reason.

    There are plenty of other strong centre forwards who would be a vast upgrade on Shola, and wouldn’t break the bank, but we must be careful of not going into our overdraft facility… *sigh*

  • 37 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Pards is a limited manager with limited skills, give any half decent manager this team and they would have us competing for top 10 or even top 8 but I think we missed the boat on Poyet, who I believe will make a very good manager. Was the brains behind Leeds revival when Wise was manager and lifted Brighton out of a hole then got em promoted and competing well in a tough league!!

    Give pards technically sound players that play on the deck and his head spins but everytime you watch us play listen to Pards shout good ball when punted from back to front….says a lot really

  • 38 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Lilongwe/Ruddy…I definitely agree 😀

    *nice to be in here with civil and likeminded people for a change lol

  • 39 MosesNUFC // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    our toon-you do realise a few games ago we were top of the league in terms of most passes leading to goals?

  • 40 bills-son // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Guys, don’t know why you are discussing which players we need to buy.

    According to those in the know on here Ashley won’t be signing anybody as long we are top 10 in January. They state that as a fact.

    So, best to start your post on would be signings by stating “I think we’ll be outside of the top ten in Jan and think we should sign xxxxxxx

  • 41 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Jesper

    Spoke too soon 😛

  • 42 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Ciaran,
    Now now, Mike Ashley is just ensuring the financial well being of Mik….ahem…Newcastle United. We all know this is true as we have been told this on here. Ignore the advertising, the merchandising, the payments to Sports Direct, we just aren’t enlightened enough to see the bigger picture that despite revenue being 50% less than pre Ashley, we are actually doing far better.

    There is a young lad at Arsenal, I think his contract is up in the summer to, although he recently was linked with Barca and Real Madrid (by himself) so we probably couldn’t get him, Bender I think he is called.

  • 43 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Sod Zaha and Ince. We should go for Konoplianka instead.

    We should sign the following:

    Konoplianka – £7m
    Luuk De Jong- Loan
    Gomis – £2m
    Ba – £8m
    Remy – £8m
    Zouma – £8m

    Sell:

    Willo – £2m
    Shola – £1m
    Saylor – £4m
    Gosling – £2m

    Net spend = £24m

    Job done.

  • 44 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Actually, although that was a joke about Bendtner I reckon it is only his own arrogance and self belief that would stop us being involved in an attempt to sign him when his contract is up….

  • 45 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    I’ve missed Kets lists, not seen one in a while…

  • 46 Ted Bundy // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    bills-son

    Most of these don’t know their arse from their elbow, especially Ruddy the master of flip-flop. I still find it amusing that he hasn’t learned his lesson about being so ardently polemic, given the magnitude of the swing in his opinion. A joke of a person.

  • 47 Ted Bundy // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Kets is here! The man as mad as a snake sandwich. Evening.

  • 48 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Kets

    We spent 2m on a loan signing in the summer and you’re predicting a net spend of 24 m in January? It must be interesting inside your head.

    Lilongwe

    Some very interesting revelations about payments made to Sports Direct from Newcastle United, did you get a read of them? Michael Martin also posited a question to Lee Marshall about the connection between nufcdirect.com and Sports Direct. Supposedly the answer will be revealed in the next Fans Forum but we will see.

    It all stinks to the high heavens and I for one cannot wait for the day that we say goodbye to Mike Ashley and get back to simply looking forward to discussing the football side of things on a regular basis as it isn’t half tiring worrying about bloody finances!

    Bills

    We signed 1 loan player in the summer, after a previous summer window where we signed 1 first team player. What is there to suggest that we will see any significant investment in January?

  • 49 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    We’d have good options if we had these in attack:

    Remy
    Cisse
    Ba
    Luuk De Jong
    Gouffran
    Gomis

  • 50 John Tudor // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    talk is cheap

  • 51 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Ted

    I think you’ll find I readily admit that I held opposing views. One is allowed to change one’s mind when faced with changing evidence. Especially since that change of opinion occurred over a period of 18 months, it was not as seismic a shift as you portray and I would venture many fans have undergone a similar transition.

  • 52 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    We spend around £18m last January, so it is possible. Reckon we’ll get some real coups as well. Konoplyanka is a must buy. Alderweireld may be available from A Madrid.

  • 53 John Tudor // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    verbal diarrhea

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Kets,
    The Ukranian lad? 7million?? Behave, he is probably worth half that.
    Don’t want Ba back, good as he was, lets move forward rather than go back. I highly doubt he would be interested in coming here, particularly if the Arsenal rumours are correct or the Turkish rumours.
    Remy has already said he will make no decision till the end of the season – because of this De Jong is a no as well, unless it is a permanent deal don’t want both our main centre forwards as loans.
    Gomis – see above.
    Zouma no point debating, he has said he is staying at least until the summer.

  • 55 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Lilongwe…I think Bender is playing for Levercusen! or are we talking about Bendtner? B-) lol

  • 56 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    I see the loonies are out again with their bonkers views…I do miss those genuine ITKs on here who have been chased away by the negative ranters. If any of them still read this but post elsewhere, please let me know where!

  • 57 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Ciaran,
    Yeah, I read the article, and the comments. It would be very interesting to know what the payment related to.

    Bills,
    Serious question, have you seen the True Faith article which mentions a £498,000 payment by NUFC to Sports Direct for “Related Party Transactions”. I know you are one of the more pro Ashley folk on here, so I would be interested in your take on that payment.

  • 58 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Dnipro aren’t a top class team so £7m is a realistic price. He’d be worth £30m in 2 years.

    Remy and Konoplyanka would be my priority signings. Can see us signing Gomis for £2m and Zaha on loan.

  • 59 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    TDS,
    See my post above to Bills, what is your take on that payment. It is only in the 2013 accounts, not the 2012 so a potential one off, but what for do you think

  • 60 bills-son // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Ruddy,

    Why leave out the five players we signed in January?

    Plus, I’d rather have Remy on a loan than Bony, Kone, Van Wolfswinkel or the like as a signing.

  • 61 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Kets,
    I don’t think he is worth 7 to be honest! 4 or 5 with add ons and maybe it would represent the value we seek, but certainly not 7 on his career so far.

    As I said, Remy will not sign in Jan, the bloke has already said this. No point discussing it further, just enjoy him for the season and then hope he makes the right choice!

    Gomis is just a signing for signings sake imo.

  • 62 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Bills

    Still does not change the fact that we did not sign an additional striker or a wing player that we so desperately needed as well as another centre half. Remy’s success does not change things on that score.

    The 5 we signed in January were reactionary signing to stave off relegation which is why many are of the view that no threat of relegation = no signings.

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Lilongwe…if you had asked me two years ago I would have said Bendtner was worth the gamble…but his decissionmaking and arrogance has showned that he is more concerned about CL football than actually playing football 😉

  • 64 bills-son // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Lil,

    I haven’t read the article re the £498K.

    However, my immediate take is that amount is pocket money to Ashley and I can’t believe there would be anything underhand going on for such a piddling amount.

    The anti-Ashley brigade will beg to differ no doubt.

  • 65 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    I said pre summer it would be interesting to see if Ashley had learnt from the mistakes of the previous summer. For me it looks like he hasn’t. January will be interesting to see whether last Jan was a one off, or if we have decided that Jan will be our main purchasing window due to value of players coming up to contract expiry.

    If that were to be how we now operate, it could be argued that getting Remy on loan in our lesser window would have been good business. Maybe, possibly…..

  • 66 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Gomis will be first in in jan. I’d rather have Remy than Rooney or Van Persie. Remy has got everything.

  • 67 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Bills,

    Here is the article

    http://www.true-faith.co.uk/newcastle-united-sports-direct-questions/

    I agree, in the grand scheme of things £498,000 is a throw away bet at the casino for Ashley. It would still be interesting to know what services that we pay Sports Direct for though – no evidence it is any more than a one off until potentially when the next accounts are released.

  • 68 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    While people are at True Faith, have a read of my latest offering!!

    http://www.true-faith.co.uk/africa-black-white-5/

  • 69 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    So it does not matter that Sports Direct is getting money from Newcastle United? Even if it is only 500k. Surely when a club is being run on a fiscal policy of self-sufficiency, every penny that the club earns is crucial.

    If you add to that, the income that the club is not making through advertising then it will add up to a much more considerable sum. All of which could be used to purchase better players, and help us progress on the field.

    The noises coming from the club is that this is not desirable. Why is that?

  • 70 bills-son // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Lil,

    I am not as pro-Ashley as I was.

    I’ve said repeatedly that I was totally peed off that we didn’t sign a FB, CH and CF in the summer.

    However, we didn’t sell a top player and the Jan signings look as if they have been good buys. The squad is way stronger than it was this time last year and I give Ashley credit for that and for not sacking Pardew. I believe one of the reasons why we may not have signed more players in the summer is that if Pardew was sacked before Jan Ashley didn’t want players who a new manager may not have wanted. Ashley is smart enough to think that way.

    That’s why I think we may sign players in Jan irrespective of our league position.

    I challenge some of the extreme Ashley slagging not because I think the sun shines out of his ar$e but simply because he is imo nowhere near the devil in disguise, fan hating, unambitious fat cnut that some claim.

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Ciaran,
    To be fair to Bills, that isn’t what he said. He doesn’t know the full story and finds it odd that anything underhand would be going on for what is buttons to SD.

    That is fair enough, doesn’t make it right, and I agree with your view on it adding up. I would love to know what the payment relates to, and why the free advertising is not reciprocal for whatever service was rendered.

  • 72 MacToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    It’s only £500K why should we care?

    It’s only a loss of £12 mil commercial revenue…… why should we care!!!

  • 73 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    MosesNUFC – has the right team selection, Mbiwa at RB keeps him involved and eases Collo back into the team, plus the back four should only really need to defend so should not be caught out of positon.
    A few have made the mistake of thinking Sissoko can play left of midfield, he is best used in a more attacking right role pressuring the opposition higher up the pitch and nicking in from behind to convert possession. Plus he offers more defensively than HBA, who is a forward not a midfielder. HBA has at times been glorious to see gliding passed midfielders and bearing down on defenders in the middle third, but he should be applying his skills in the final third and ending with a decisive pass or shot.

  • 74 bills-son // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Ruddy,

    There you go again. …

    True to form you automatically assume there is skullduggery going on with the payment and weave that into a thick Ashley plot.

    I just don’t see the point of theorising over such a small amount. If you do have fun.

  • 75 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Lilo

    Interesting…I can’t help but wonder if it’s to do with merchandising though. Maybe for warehousing/storage? It does say below, “Mike Ashley leased certain properties to various companies in the Group which operated as retail and distribution premises. A commercial rent is charged in respect
    of these leases.”

    So that would be my most logical explanation. That NUFC are using SD warehouses to store the merchandise.

  • 76 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Forgot to mention that with the game in the bag, the substitutes should get a game and offer some continuity. If it is not the case then the likes of Shola and Anita will offer the opportunity to change things around.

  • 77 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Bills,
    That still makes you more pro Ashley than most on here! 😉

    If we sign a few in Jan, then maybe that will be the recurring pattern, several in Jan, 1/2 in the summer. We shall see.

    He is too rigid in his valuations of players, I don’t want the whole transfer policy scrapped, the players we sign have in the main been very good. The problem is the players we don’t sign and the timings of our signings.

  • 78 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Interesting spin indeed.

  • 79 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    TDS,
    But, if is being suggested that NUFC.Direct profits do not go into the club, but is a SD subsidiary then should the club be charged for warehousing? Transparency is crucial in this sort of thing, particularly when there is already animosity.

    Maybe the club will give a straight answer, although why Lee marshall couldn’t have just found out and responded straight away rather than waiting for the forum seems a bit lazy on his part. If he had given a response we (possibly) wouldn’t even be talking about it.

  • 80 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    70Two,
    Sissoko is best used in an attacking right role???? Despite his entire career pre Newcastle being in centre mid….

  • 81 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    ToonDarnSarf
    Do you have any information on the salaries that NUFC board members receive?
    It always makes me scoff that the supposed loans are “interest free”.

  • 82 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Lilo
    It was only one match but Sissoko was terrible on the left of centre at Everton and he doesn’t make the number of tackles necessary to be a holding midfielder.

  • 83 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    70Two,
    He has no real crossing ability to speak of. He is more of a box to box, and ball carrier. In a more offensive 442 Sissoko would be nowhere near a right wing slot. He is there for those box to box qualities which helps out Debuchy.

  • 84 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Lilo
    To add clarity, I meant attacking right ‘midfield’ role.
    Playing in France is not the same as the PL and it would seem he is more a play maker than a ball winner. I really hope he continues to make progress, but Pardew needs to also rest him at some point or he will burn out like at the end of last season.

  • 85 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    70Two,
    Fair enough, I am yet to be convinced of him as an attacking midfielder, haven’t seen that vision from him that I would want. He could certainly develop it, he is young enough, and has the basics to be able to do whichever role he wants in the midfield. Continually moving him around and utilising him in different roles will never ee him hit is true potential.

  • 86 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Lilo

    To be honest, I don’t care about suggestions. If I believed half of the things that have been suggested about out club then I would abandon supporting a football club with absolute disgust.

    But…I could understand it if they outsourced merchandise sales to SD. After all SD are specialists in this area and NUFC are a football club. Either the money then goes straight to SD and SD then pay NUFC their percentage or the money goes to NUFC and maybe this amount is SD’s cut for merchandising, marketing, infrastructure, sales effort etc.

    You have to consider precedents. If Lee Marshall had given a complete response to the question (which may have required some research to get the facts correct), then he would be expected to respond to every such request from a fan group or blog that happened in the future. There is no hurry for this information, so why not just wait until the next fans forum which is the correct forum?

  • 87 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Lilo
    There does seem to be quite a lot of overlap with our best players and their best positions. Quick quiz, do you think Tiote/Cabaye are better than Anita/Sisso in the middle?
    I don’t think it is as straight forward as I would like all four in a diamond.

  • 88 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    100% of money made from NUFC club merchandise should go to NUFC. Sports Direct should not see a single penny.

  • 89 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    70TWO

    I don’t off the top of my head but I think they are in the accounts. I don’t think they were excessive for the roles though, in fact they might be slightly low if memory serves me.

    I don’t believe that Mike Ashley takes a wage (and I just noticed he doesn’t from SD either) so the others will be 6 figures but not really high 6 figures I think. Google the accounts and have a look.

  • 90 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    TDS
    It’s not a suggestion at all, NUFC.Direct is a Sports direct company, no money goes to the club, and we for some reason pay them

    This is confirmed that NUFC.Direct is a part of SD and not NUFC, so it wasn’t a conspiracy theory designed to fit an agenda as you told me, far from it
    It is people buying CLUB merchandise and the club not seeing a penny
    The fact your still trying to put a spin on this rather than go “okay tbf that’s a bit far” it’s utterly ridiculous

  • 91 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    TDS,
    Don’t care about suggestions? 99% of everything on football blogs is suggestion, you have no definitive proof, nor do those who are anti Ashley. There are very few who will have privy to the actual facts and thoughts so without suggestion we may as well just scrap the blog.

    Is the fans forum the correct medium for this? I’m not sure, a simple statement from the club would sffice. Plus he is the Supporter Liason, if his job isn’t to deal with queries from fanzines and fans, then is their any point in him exising.

    As you say, there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation, but if the sum is a measly £498,000, why can’t they reciprocate the free advertising?

  • 92 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    70Two,
    Tiote and Cabaye over Anita and Sissoko, but against ‘weaker teams’ Anita and Cabaye over Tiote and Cabaye.

    We are well stocked in centre mid, we haven’t even mentioned the idea of Marveaux playing a role in there or Bigi!!

  • 93 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Chuckling away here…

    I think some people might need a little explanation of how a modern business works.

    Involved in the sale of NUFC merchandising is:
    – design of the products
    – production of the products
    – shipping of the products from manufacturing site
    – storage of the products
    – stock monitoring and other admin
    – marketing of the products
    – sales of the products
    – packaging and shipping of the products
    – customer service

    I may have missed out a couple of areas…key thing is that NUFC are not experts in any of these areas! So…either they buy software, warehouses etc. and hire staff to manage this process or they pay someone else to do it for them. The latter makes sense as NUFC ARE NOT AN ONLINE RETAIL STORE but…SPORTS DIRECT ARE. Wow…what a revelation that is.

  • 94 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Ciaran
    If I were to go into a SD shop and buy a ManU shirt where does the money go?
    It does raise some interesting questions tho about the separation of business entities and accounting of SD / NUFC. Is the revenue of the club shop 100% for NUFC or does it pay for the stock and ground rent? Likewise the online shop, it must be very difficult but probably a legal obligation.

  • 95 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Lilongwe

    TDS’ reason for even being here is to put a spin on everything Mike Ashley related. Notice how he does not even acknowledge the possibility of any wrong-doing (in a moral not legal sense) by the club?

    There could be an innocent explanation, yet it would need to be a damn good one to justify giving Sports Direct anything while we get nothing in return, especially given how their tacky name is plastered all over our stadium.

  • 96 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Have a read folks :)

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/nov/21/newcastle-united-club-for-sale-mike-ashley?

  • 97 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    TADS

    Don’t be stupid. I read an article that SD own the NUFCDirect website. Now, while that may be a bit strange it does not mean that SD see all the money from merchandising sales!

    You are seriously stupid if you think the club doesn’t see a penny of NUFC merchandising. I’m pretty sure that SD would have to own the NUFC image rights for that to happen and that must be against Premier League rules.

  • 98 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    It is official, he is clearly not a Newcastle United fan. His default stance is to defend Ashley and Sports Direct in every which way possible. Instead of the revenue going into Sports Direct and then (potentially) coming back to NUFC, why does it not go in to NUFC in the first place, and then pay those who need to be paid by the club themselves.

    There are 1000s of clubs all around the world that do not have an association with a sports retailer and yet they manage to sell merchandise online. They manage to store said merchandise etc.

    Any suggestions that we actually NEED Sports Direct to sell our club merchandise is laughable.

  • 99 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    That’s where you’re wrong TDS. Mike Ashley does in fact own copyright for the NUFC emblem.

  • 100 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    70TWO
    If you go into a SD shop to buy a Man U shirt then a) your a bit scummy but b) a percentage of that would go too manure

    HOWEVER
    If you went into Man U’s CLUB shop and bought it there a huge percentage would go directly to the club, the same if you bought it on the Man U website, because these aren’t chain retail outlets, there the club shops, who’s only aim is to sell solely club merchandise to raise monies to go back into the club

  • 101 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Lilo

    I’m not sure if your comment is suggesting that I’m pro-Ashley, in which case you’re way off the mark.

    I simply do not find it unusual to find this amount in their accounts. It may be commission on sales generated through NUFC Direct, it may be for storage, it may be because SD provided the shirts…in fact…didn’t Ashley change the supplier of the shirts to an SD company? So naturally NUFC would need to buy the shirts from someone and in this case it could be SD. Correct me if I’m wrong but if I’m right then it clearly indicates what this money is.

    I just don’t get why some people are so sensitive about issues like this. Most people on this blog don’t have a clue about business so they should just talk about what they do know (well, some of them do) which is football.

  • 102 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    *of

  • 103 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Interesting how he himself never seems to discuss football.

  • 104 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    There’s more spin on here than you get on Prime Minister’s question time.

  • 105 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    It is sad to see someone who is either a) so far removed from what it means to be a Newcastle United supporter that their default setting is to defend the man (and the company) that is ensuring it does not crash the glass ceiling of mediocrity or b) planted here to spin everything in favour of the fat controller.

    If it is the former then I feel sorry for you, if it is the latter then I do hope you piss off.

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    TDS
    He does own the image rights you tit
    So now I’m stupid after being a conspiracy theorist (even though it’s has been confirmed)

    And why the fcuk do we need to hand over the running if the club shop to SD? Every club in bloody England has a club shop and online site, there generally part of the same bloody business ffs, you don’t see other clubs signing over all there merchandising to JJB because there not “specialists”
    *btw a club shop is not a new thing, they’ve been part of clubs stadiums for years, no one has ever felt the overwhelming need to out source the business ever before

  • 107 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/nov/21/newcastle-united-club-for-sale-mike-ashley?

  • 108 GoofyFooted // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Krul
    Anita M’Biwa Willo Santon
    Tiote Sissoko
    Goofy Cabaye Remy
    Shola

    This is what I think will be the lineup, not what I would play.

  • 109 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Tads

    I’ve come to the very certain conclusion that our resident spin doctor is not a Newcastle United supporter. As such should we even waste our time discussing this with him?

    He’s shown himself up for what he is.

  • 110 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    TDS
    Ha-har, was trying to remove involvement of NUFC but should have said “any PL Club”.
    Can you explain the rule of Torte as applied to the purchasing of goods, relating it to the ordinary man on the Clapham Omnibus?

  • 111 MacToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    The club’s shops have closed around town except for the stadium shop, our commercial revenue has reduced by 50% since Ashley bought the club, SD tat shop certainly seem to have more say in the running of merchandise sales.
    Are any of these related?

  • 112 Dulcinea // Nov 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but has anyone seen Pardews quotes about Shola today regarding him being out of contract at end of season?

    “I don’t know what happens with Shola in the future – he could become Prime Minister one day with his personality – but we certainly want to keep him around the club if we can.”

    Lol, suppose he’d be just like the rest of the PM’s ..promise so much early on and then fail to deliver on all hopes and dreams

  • 113 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    TADS

    Mike Ashley is not Sports Direct in case you’re confused.

    Money cannot just be transferred from one organisation to another without a clear reason for the transaction.

  • 114 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Goofyfooted
    Why have you got Sissoko on the left of centre when Tiote plays that side of a two?
    I am not sure Shola will start after his International appearances, although Pardew does continue with his profuse compliments to him.

  • 115 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    TDS,
    At no point was the previous post suggesting you were pro Ashley, although if you think you aren’t compared with the majority on here then I think you are a little off kilter.

    In a normal working relationship, it wouldn’t be unusual. In the relationship where SD get free access to global advertising and also receives a large proportion of revenue through merchandising through its own subsidiary and then gets paid what is a nominal fee in essence, but still a fee for, if you are correct the retailing of said merchandise then surely you can see the issues.

    Interesting that prior to Ashley taking over, merchandise revenue was higher then it is now, even though before SD no one at the club knew how to retail goods.

  • 116 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    JB…you cannot just double post what I post mate 😉 lol

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Jesus Christ people, this is supposed to be a football blog but people seem to be obsessed with the damn accounts! Why don’t you people, who clearly don’t have the intelligence to understand business, just stick to making comments about the football side of things and leave clever people to liaise with the fan groups and in turn get answers for the club.

    Hopefully they will then put it in simple language for you to understand.

    To anyone who doesn’t understand business and isn’t pretending to be able to, this isn’t directed at you, this is directed at the muppets who actually think they have all the answers yet know next to nothing.

  • 118 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    jesper…………..Sorry mate, didn’t see that you already posted that 😀

  • 119 blacknwhite yorkshireman // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    I’d play Mbiwa at right back with Hatem up top with Remy. Still 4-4-2 but give ben arfa the freedom to roam abit. Maybe working in partnership with another striker will help him work harder too, if remy is chasing round left right and centre then surely he would to. Not a huge Jonas fan but would probs have him on the bench infront of sammy or obertan, still a clever footballer and a tireless worker. Would like to see Marveaux back involved too as I really rate him but think he might be a gonna soon.

  • 120 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    JB… 😀

    …did you read the article? it does really makes you wonder why no one isn’t interested in buying the club!

  • 121 MacToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Your obvious lack of knowledge has never stopped you!

  • 122 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Jesus Christ people, this is supposed to be a football blog but people seem to be obsessed with the damn accounts!
    ——————————————————————

    I actually spat coffee everywhere after reading that 😀 of all the people to complain about others bringing up the account’s you sir, do not have a leg to stand on

  • 123 70TWO // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Ciaran
    If anyone is showing themselves up it is yourself; keep control of the hate, man. TDS is only trying to offer a simple explanation to an inconsequential transaction that nobody in their right minds would get their knickers in a twist about.

  • 124 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    jesper – It’s amazing when you think of the other clubs that have been bought up and we’ve been left with this numpty at the helm. Can you imagine what it would be like here if anyone with financial strength came in and bought us???

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Lilo

    The majority on here? Do you mean the majority of posts? In which case there is a minority on here who seemingly have nothing better to do than whinge and moan about the club. I’ve been reading views from fans elsewhere and the vibe seems pretty positive given our squad and start to the season. Sure, some complaining but most fans are fine if things are going well on the pitch.

    I don’t know if merchandise revenue was split in the accounts, I think it was just commercial revenue wasn’t it? Which includes sponsors. Is it any surprise that revenue was higher seeing as we could have signed agreements while still in the CL under SBR? And is it any surprise that foreign fans may well have switched from supporting us to one of the CL clubs?

    Like I said, maybe NUFC buys the shirts from SD. I just have no idea why people want to speculate about something they know little about. Why not ensure that a NUFC fan, who is also an accountant, gets to have a look at things and provide a few questions to a person on the board for the Fans Forum. To be honest, I’m not interested in coming on here to discuss speculation about the accounts.

  • 126 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Isn’t it interesting how when it suits him, he will discuss the accounts until the cows come home. Now there are figures that put a lot of scrutiny on our illustrious ‘saviour’ and now he cannot get off the topic of accounts quick enough.

    We’re supposed to believe that he is some sort of business whizz, who understands accounts up and down. He readily assumes that those of us discussing accounts have absolutely no prior knowledge of doing so, an assumption that I would imagine is incorrect.

    He obviously has not read the latest edition of true faith where 4, yes 4 accountants, wrote separate articles indicating how Mike Ashley is bad for business.

    So he asks us to leave it to the accountants. True faith did exactly that, and what came back? The conclusion that Mike Ashley is not exactly the top owner that some would portray him to be. Will that satisfy him? No, because his agenda is not one of letting intelligent people tell you the facts, his agenda is one of defending Mike Ashley.

  • 127 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    JB

    I think you will find that in every case, I have been applying a real life business answer to a luddite explanation of how our club is run. Typically using facts to contradict stupid statements such as “Mike Ashley is making millions from us” or people confusing Sports Direct and Mike Ashley or people confusing NUFC and Mike Ashley or people not grasping why we don’t actually have very much money to spend right now without going into debt.

    Accounts are boring. Do you know any accountants?

  • 128 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    TDS
    Wow lol

    Pot kettle black!

    Idiot

  • 129 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Our original deal with Northern Rock was signed in 2005. SBR was sacked in 2004, and we have not been in the CL since 2003. So when the 2006 figures demonstrate our commercial revenue as being around 27m that had nothing to do with sponsorship relating to our previous exposure to CL football.

  • 130 JackButler // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    This BS comment that keeps coming up that our revenue has dropped because we are not in the CL is laughable

  • 131 Ciaran // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    Do people know that both Norwich and Sunderland have higher commercial revenue than Newcastle United. I must have missed the season when Norwich and Sunderland were playing in the Champions League…

  • 132 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    TDS,
    There have been various financial journalism articles on the merchandising at Premier league clubs as distinct from commercial revenue.

    I would say the majority of posters hold a more tarnished view of Ashley than yourself. Yes, there is a very vocal minority of posters on here who carry this cross throughout, but I’d say the majority are more anti Ashley then yourself which makes my statement correct, without you being an Ashley fan.

    Why not get accountants to look at things? Erm…. that is pretty much what true faith have done mate. 4 or 5 actual trained qualified and very real accountants have looked at the club and SD accounts and none of their findings are positive reading for fans of the club. Sadly, as the only easily contactable representatives of the forum, NUST, have now been removed who do you get in touch with. I haven’t seen contact details for forum members anywhere.

  • 133 Dulcinea // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Jack Butler? Numpty at the helm? you talking about that amazing man called Mike Ashley who came along and cleared out all our debt? which if he did not, i don’t even want to think about where we would be today with Fat Freddy at the helm (we would be like Porstmouth) with ageing 35 year old has beens destroying the club.

    For the first time in so sooooo sooo long our club is on the right path. Good scouting network, good attention to the youth set-up, we’re bringing in players at a good age, good price. no has beens on high wages. If and when we do sell our better players, we will make big profits, to which we can buy more good players. I too, dream of a Saudi billionaire coming along and throwing the zillions around, however i don’t want to be the next Man City, especially with the new Fair play rules coming into effect. I don’t want my team to be full of guys on 250k a week

    I’m a patient man, and i know, givin a bit more time, our club with reap the benifits of the plan put into place over the last 5 years or so.

  • 134 MacToon // Nov 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Comedy gold 😆




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