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Can Newcastle Make It Four In A Row Against West Brom?

10:08 am, Wednesday, November 27th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 174 Comments

Newcastle have a tough game against West Brom at St. James’ Park on Saturday, and a good crowd is again expected and in each of the last four home league games, St. James’ Park has been less than 100 short of a full house.

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Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa - does he have a role to play on Saturday?

Newcastle have three wins in a row and the only thing that matters now is somehow trying to get a win against a good West Brom side on Saturday, and of course they were the better side in their last away league game at Stamford Bridge, and but for a nonsense penalty decision in added time, would have come away with a 2-1 win – so they are very good on the road.

One question for Newcastle is what the back four will be,m and since Fabricio Coloccini has been exposed by forwards with pace in the past – maybe the more mobile Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa would be a better partner for Williamson at the back – given that Shane Long is in great form?

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174 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Santon

    Like I said, from the players perspective, I don’t agree with targeting the CL at this stage. Push the players on to ensuring we stay in the top 8 and then if we’re still there near the end of the season, go for it. If we’re targeting the CL then we’re falling short now. I’d far rather tell the players that they’re doing well but they need to keep this level up so we finish in 8th at least. You can bet that they all want to go that step further but why turn a positive start into a negative?

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    mindshaft

    going off what i have seen of the lad the last 2 seasons I think he works hard and offers more than just goals, links play well and creates space for others by running the channels well.

    he has 3 in 10 this year and 11 in 37 last year…not bad as a squad player. good to have on the bench and better than our strikers apart from remy.

  • 3 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    I once scored a left footed lob from 40 yards and also had a 5-a-side game wher I scored 8 out of the 9 goals including one where I controlled a throw from the GK on my chest direct into my path and then smashed it in the net on the half volley.

    My point is…neither of those performances made me a top player, or even a good amateur. Long is a decent enough striker, but he’s not the answer to all of our problems, look at his scoring record! He scores a couple of decent goals and some people go crazy.

  • 4 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Sage,
    He has a goal per minutes record that isn’t dissimilar to Shola, (Not really fair to go by appearances for either as many of their appearances are as a sub) with more than half is goals coming at Championship level.

    I’d take him for a couple of million, and would prefer to Gomis, but in my eyes he is more like Goofy than Remy/Shola/Cisse and at least 2 of those will probably need to be replaced in the summer still. With a Shola upgrade, despite his good form recently, being the bigger requirement for Jan.

  • 5 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Long is a Bellamy type player. Will harry, run create space, but will never be the main striker at a club.

  • 6 yo-yo // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    TDS

    Our official target is 10+th but there is no reason that AP can’t tell the players we’re going for another 5th. If we stay relatively injury free and the team does get that mysterioius consistency, and key players retaint their form – Tiote for one – then we should be able to match two years ago. Aiming high and missing it by a place or two is much better than aiming for mediocrity and achieving it. Ashley’s biggest failure has been removing hope from the fans that we can do well and achieve something worth aiming for

  • 7 70TWO // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    WBA will probably try to repeat what Everton did to us so will Pardew use the back four that finished that game, or because of Debuchys positioning, retain last weekends back four?

    WBAs old school defense will probably relish a battle with Shola, so will Pardew go for a more modern offence?

  • 8 Jesus1983 // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Pardew should stick with the same defence that got clean sheets against Chelsea and Spurs…..and i think he will. Bench for Coloccini.

  • 9 barkel // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Surely as a player/football club your target is to win every game!?

    Being Irish I’ve been a big fan of Shane Long over the years, as was said he isn’t going to be the best striker at a club like Newcastle but he is an excellent no10, he puts in an excellent shift, helps out at the back and has got loads of pace to counter

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    lilo

    Yeh he isn’t a great player but a good player to have in the squad I feel, his pace coupled with hard work will cause problems and make space.

    We then need to either sign remy or a replacement of his level in the summer.

  • 11 70TWO // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    If I were Pardew I wouldn’t be looking for anything longer term than at least 8 points before Christmas.

    When looking at strikers there is a resurgence for using two, 1) quick and agile; 2) strong and technical, which of our current squad go in each category?
    1) Cisse, Remy, Goffran
    2) Shola, Sammy, HBA, (Sissoko)
    We definitely need a 2) but not Gomis.

  • 12 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Yo-yo

    Ashley’s biggest mistake is not understanding the fans. The more passionate fans would rather see us aim for something tough even though we would fail at least 80% of the time…but that’s not all fans. I don’t want to see the players’ heads drop if we lose a couple of games.

    It would be wrong to target 5th now because if we’re in 8th and 12 points short with 5 games to go, the players could just give up because they failed.

  • 13 nufcburty // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    leave colo out, have dubuchy – yang – willo – santon as back four, why mess with an inform defence?

  • 14 martoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    70TWO @7 – I heard an interview with Pardew this morning – he said Shola is definitely starting against WBA.
    On the subject of Long you can produce stats all you want but all I know is the lad always seems to have a good game when playing us.

  • 15 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    What the hell is wrong with Sylvain Marveaux? I’m a bit concerned as per why he isn’t playing.

  • 16 70TWO // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Looking at WBA formation the same players as at Chelsea/Spurs should see it through, with Colo to come on for any eventuality isn’t bad either.

  • 17 barkel // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Ketsbaia9

    Who is he going to replace in the starting XI at the minute? Surprising he isn’t making the bench though

  • 18 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Sage,
    Yeah, as part of a group of strikers he is okay. I think we are 1 striker light anyway as we are now, but still feel the priority needs to be a Shola upgrade. If we got Long as well, then great.

    If we just get 1 striker in Jan for me we will need 2/3 strikers come the summer- Shola aging and out of contract, Remy possible but unlikely to join, and if Cisse is still woefully out of form how long can we persist with him?

    Unless Campbell/Gillihead/Armstrong progress at an incredible rate over the coming 9 months then we have a big job on in the summer.

  • 19 70TWO // Nov 27, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    martoon –
    CF for PM!
    Does show that Pardew is keeping with consistency and playing those in form. But what about the likes of Marv, how do they get form? Certainly not playing in the reserves/U21.
    Hopefully a wonderous first 45 minutes with the first team and look to bring on the clowns (Cisse et al) to bring it home with another goal.

  • 20 walton1984 // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Colo wants too leave, could leave Jan or defo in summer
    so i would stick with Willo & Mbwia the are playing well and have a good Partnership

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    lilo

    Agree we need a shola upgrade, shola is doing well but out of contract in the summer and after 60 mins he is tired…then without the big man we fail to hold the ball.

    We need to find somebody to do that role.

  • 22 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    We had this discussion about Long yesterday, I’m not sold on him…I honestly can’t see the difference between him and Leon Best. Long is average at best, but he is a grafter though. Grafters are important but having 8 or 9 grafters with a couple of magical creative players is defo the way forward!! Shane Long is not worth the money, we need a brute…Physical presence up front which we’ve not had since Carroll, technically we’ve never replaced Carroll, Shola’s done a job over the past couple of games but as a ST I honestly can’t see him getting 10 goals in a season!! You could argue that Ba’s replacement is Cisse

    Oldgit: The law only came into the French league over this summer (we didn’t buy any of our French player then) your argument is flawed as players are ambitious, why stay at a club that wishes to finish top 10 with no cup success? I blame our lack of ambition for what hopefully won’t be the start of disillusioned players, yes players move for more money as any of us would, but we all want to be a part of something successful as well as being tested at the highest level, CL is the highest level at club football

  • 23 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    70two

    Marv has had his chances and the guy’s more frustrating than HBA, most of the games he’s played in he hasnt really turned up for. Better as an impact sub.

  • 24 martoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Transfer Sage @21 – I suspect Gomis was supposed to be the Shola upgrade but we all know what happened there – personally I thought he was a bit expensive. I think you are right Shola only seems to have about 60 minutes of football in him now probably because of age and injuries I would suspect.

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    martoon

    I don’t watch much french football but from what i have seen in highlights and the odd game gomis doesn’t look like a hold up player, think we need somebody more like benteke/lukaku….i can’t think of any but surely our scouts must be indentifying targets like that around europe now.

  • 26 Iain Dowie // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Cabaye is a quality midfielder and arguable our best player however if he wants to go we should let him. He has the ability to play in a top top team and has earned it by some of his performances over the last 3 seasons.

    However with the money we could get for him we would be able to find a replacement. Players like Lallana who a few years ago where in the championship are now showing just how good they can be. Although I doubt we could get Lallana I do believe a player like him would bring a lot if not more to the team as sometimes I find that tiote and cabaye both want to play in the holding role.

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Can people stop claiming that the club doesn’t want to win a cup? That’s just rubbish. The club said that the league is the priority and not the cups, that’s the same for every other club too. Pardew’s teams in the cup this season show that he wanted to win the games.

    It seems some fans would rather the club lied to say what the fans want to hear…

  • 28 jimBOB // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Long is an obsolute work horse, you can see the kid just loves the game – im all for players like that at the toon.
    they cause major problems for teams. for a small guy aswell he scores some fantastic headers.

    get the lad for 2 mill I say

  • 29 Blofal // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    I think Benny should be given a chance this game. I just have a feeling.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    TDS

    I go along with that…i think we have had strong teams in the cups and were knocked out by man city, luck of the draw went against us.

  • 31 martoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    It’s funny how fans of a club and other fans view a player. I also have friends who are WBA fans and they do not rate Long at all yet most of us think he is quite decent. You start to wonder if other fans think Obertan is world class – sell him quick ;)

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    martoon

    Not sure why they dont rate him. He isn’t prolific but not many forwards are really, he has a reasonable record at west brom, has pace, works hard, runs the channels, decent in the air…can’t see what isn’t to like. Consistency maybe? only watch highlights and the odd game they have on TV.

    Still think he would be good coming in if we also get a shola upgrade and a left sided winger.

  • 33 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Would anyone else take Diego from Wolfsburg ? . Out of contract soon and worth a look IMO .

    We should send Carr to Germany as there are some cracking players there . Raffael or Kruse are other players we could look at to replace Cabaye if he leaves .

  • 34 Ancientcoptic // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Ben Arfa has form for tearing West Brom apart, I would not be surprised to see him come into the team for this one. I certainly would have no arguments if he got the nod.

  • 35 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Martoon

    Nice one mate, I know WBA fans who don’t rate the lad at all as well, all work no end product!! He struggled to be consistently good in the championship, struggles in the Irish team. Can’t see why we would want another ST who just isnt going to get 15 – 20 goals a season

  • 36 jimBOB // Nov 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    I would possibly look at bringing in

    - Ayew
    - Long
    - Ince

    keep gosling and try to keep Remy, if not mabey a little cheecky De Jong bid.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    our toon

    Not sure how many 15-20 goal strikers we can have. Cisse and remy are both mean to be that type.

    Why can’t long offer a support role, not all strikers are goal scorers, look how much praise and success heskey has had in his career for being a good link up man.

    Long is decent in the air and holding the ball as well as playing a decent pass/cross. Plus his pace stretched the teams and gives more room for others.

    Not a world beater but a good squad player

  • 38 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    In a defensive team with not many runners from midfield cant see the use of Long at best we get 2 players in the box from open play, 3 at a push. Long runnig the channels whose going to be in the box? Gouffran and?

    TDS: the club have stated they are happy with top 10 finish and that the league is priority. Other clubs have a couple of goals incl a cup run, we have the league as priority. Its not an assumption but a statement from the club!!

    Citeh cup game we should never have lost at home against there B team, we didn’t play Cabaye or Remy when really we should have!! We had a strongish side out but not our strongest!!

  • 39 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Whilst I don’t think Shane Long is in any way a bad player, I would agree that he would be just a new Shola at the Toon. I honestly believe we should only sign a player who progresses the team, not maintains it. I would see the Toon signing Shane Long as stagnation, and it would reinforce the belief that we have no ambition. He certainly wont make the team any worse, but there’s no way he’s going to improve it either.

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    G

    I think he would improve the team, but that’s just my opinion. I’m all for a better player, just thinking what the club might do, he’s out of contract so a bargain, what we love really. Grafter, something we love too.

    I’ve seen a link to Uche Nwofor….dubbed the next Benteke…maybe worth a punt.

  • 41 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    TS

    i would rather have a brute upfront, a player in the ilk of Benteke/Lukaku, Long is not that type of player!! Strong presence up top as you have said Long is decent but we need more than decent for next season, Remy wont be here

    Ince
    Ayew brothers (remy & cabaye replacements)
    CB
    for this window!!

  • 42 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Just to add to my last rant, people are suggesting that signing Long would give us something different from the bench. If you watch Long play, I think we already have it covered in Obertan, on a few occasions he has come from the bench, and harried the defence, made space, and created opportunities in much the same way as SL is capable. Therefore, I don’t think Long would give us any new options from the bench. That’s just my personal opinion though.

  • 43 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    G

    Completely agree mate, quite disturbing when we as fans looking from the outside rate a lad that his own fans, who see him week in week out don’t even rate

  • 44 toonbrother // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    We definitely win if colocinni starts no doubt

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    G
    Obertan is a total waste of space on my view, cant pass a simple ball, forgets to run with it, never uses his pace (can count the time he has ran at people on one hand). Just not good enough at all.

    I think long does much more than that.

    Our toon

    I’d like to see long come in during january, be great bench player for us I think.

    Then in the summer sign a shola replacement (or January if we can). Then we have the same amount of strikers as we have now (presuming remy and shola dont stay). Then we hope cisse either gets goals, or if he doesn’t can always replace him with another goal scorer.

    So would have a brute who scores like benteke (not him, that type), gouff and long, as well as cisse (or his replacement if he doesn’t improve)

    Just my thoughts on the whole striking matter….sound better? or still not something you’d like to see?

  • 46 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    TS, your assessment of Obertan is 100% accurate mate… as a winger. When he comes on these days though AP seems to prefer to play him as a forward, and to be fair to the lad, he hasn’t done bad at all. I don’t see anybody sweating over their place in the forwards department, but a player you can bring on in the 70th minute, with pace like Obertans to support the attack can be difference between a solid win, or a bore draw mate.

  • 47 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    @ brother

    Statistically We win more games and get more clean sheets when Williamson plays .

    Just look at the weekend for example . We keep clean sheets against Spurs & Chelsea then Collocini comes back and we concede against West Brom with him being at fault for the goal .

    He also could have cost us another goal that match when he lazily sat back and played Redmond on-side who should have scored .

    Debuchy straight back in for Collo against West Brom and the same back four please . I don’t want a player ruining our unbeaten run that doesn’t even want to be here .

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    G

    I do think he is better as a forward or wide forward to stretch play for last 10/20 mins but still think he is nowhere near good enough and long would do that so much better.

    I think obertan just hasn’t got the ability and despite his pace seems reluctant to run unless he is a good 5 yards clear anyway, never knocks it past somebody 30 yards and just tries to outpace them, something bale did very well when he couldn’t use skill to get past.

    Not saying Long should be our big target but a decent option, i’d much prefer better players but knowing the way we operate i can’t see it myself.

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    big pappa

    totally agree…think toon brother is being sarcastic knowing his recent posts though

  • 50 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I completely get what you are saying TS, but I personally feel that a more Wenger approach to transfers should be taken. Keep the money for when the right players are available, rather than paying out for something which doesn’t ultimately improve the team. Like I say, I don’t think Long is a bad player, I just don’t believe he will improve our squad in any way.

  • 51 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    TS

    Sounds much better mate, problem is though how much would Long cost? More importantly what’s the most we would pay, I wouldn’t pay more than £2m or £3m. But we defo need a dominant force in holding the ball up as well as in the air, but that person needs to score as well. Will Long want to be a bench warmer? Shane Long reminds me of Kevin Doyle

  • 52 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Our Toon, Long reminds you of Doyle… bit harsh mate. ha ha

  • 53 JackButler // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    With Debuchy back Colo should drop to the bench for us to revert to what has been our strongest back four for the WBA game. Colo was the weak link against Norwich and needs to make way

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    our toon

    no idea, out of contract in the summer so might sell very cheap in jan just to get something back…but i wouldn’t like a large fee on him as it would be better spent on another player.

    G

    Yeh I like that idea, I just think he brings a different angle to the squad which could be helpful. I doubt we’ll go for him though, so not worth worrying about I guess.

    Marseille are meant to be selling off players so maybe valbuena could be a target if cabaye is to leave or even in jan, think he is a top player and plays the game like cazorla does…can beat a man but also knows when to just shift a yard of space to pace instead, decent shot as well. Unlikely target but if we got any marseille player i’d want it to be him.

  • 55 JackButler // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    If we can’t sign Remy on a permanent basis then Shane Long would be a good addition to the squad

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Jack

    100% agree with that, nothing against Colo just we seem better with willo and mbiwa at the moment.

  • 57 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Marseille are having a sale are they? Some tempting targets in their squad for sure. Not sure who I would bring in at the minute, as the team looks fairly settled with players who not long ago would have been the first players on the team sheet, sitting on the bench these days (HBA for instance), AP seems to have realised that the best players don’t necessarily make the best team, speaking of which JackButler, I agree regards Colo.

  • 58 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Jack

    It was only a matter of time that we would concede considering that amount of chances we give away. Clean sheets against Chelsea and Spurs shouldn’t sugar coat the amount of chances we conceded. Luck and really good keeping as well as poor finishing helped us keep clean sheets in them 2 games as well as Norwich. If MYM and Willo were conceding less chances than you can say it’s working well.

    Sorry Long fans but I honestly feel he is the equivalent to the once much sort after Kevin Doyle!! They have a similar game and execute it in similar way

  • 59 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I think AP has realised that the best players never seem to fit into his style of play or he can’t find a way for them to play (defensive)

  • 60 JackButler // Nov 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Transfer Sage

    As good as Colo has been for us in the past I think his head is elsewhere and that he’s counting down the days until he’s able to leave. He was caught out several times against Norwich and still can’t cope with a simple ball over the top.

    In fairness to Willo and Mapou they have formed a really strong paring as they’re styles complement each other, with one’s weakness being the others strengths.

    No need to fix what isn’t broken

  • 61 JackButler // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Our Toon

    Colo doesn’t want to be here so we should be looking beyond him, his head isn’t in the game the way it was 18 months ago and whether it’s down the luck, poor finishing or whatever else the facts are that Willo and Mapou have looked the most solid pairing we have had this season so we should stick with them.

  • 62 roy // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    If Pardew, signs a couple of decent players in January Cabaye might not be missing the Champions league for too much longer.

  • 63 Ciaran // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    People who think Long is as good as Doyle clearly haven’t watched him play. He is out of favour of WBA and has been for a while. For the last 2 seasons he’s been playing 2nd fiddle, even to Odemwingie a couple of seasons ago.

    If WBA fans don’t rate him, it’s because they don’t know a good player. ‘Long would be our new Shola’? Ridiculous.

    To have a striker who would work his socks off, run the channels and provide a decent goal every now and then I think he would be worth a punt. Do I think he is the answer to our prayers? No. Is he an upgrade on Shola. Considerably.

  • 64 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Ciaran,
    He would be playing a completely different role to Shola, so in no way is he an upgrade on Shola. That will come in the form of a striker t hold up play. He is more similar to Goofy.

    Would he be decent as back up to Remy for the rest of the season, yes. Is he ever going to be a top striker and be the man to replace Remy, no.

    Out of favour? Last season he played second fiddle to Lukaku, this season he has been involved in all but 3 games WBA have played in. Out of contract in the summer, but not out of favour.

  • 65 Ciaran // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Lilo

    Clarke tried to ship him to Hull in the summer, he clearly doesn’t fancy him but has to use him.

    The ‘upgrade on Shola’ comment was directed at the person who said he would be ‘our new Shola’. He is a better striker than Shola, but admittedly they do play different roles. As Gouffran has showed how important it is to have hard workers who provide for the team, I think we could benefit from another in that mould.

    We would need another out-and-out goalscorer if we were to sign him though as he doesn’t score enough.

  • 66 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Ciaran

    I’m yet to be convinced mate, he’s slightly better than Doyle. I honestly think he’d score as much as Shola in a season. I’m pretty sure that his headed goal against a static Chelsea defence was his first headed goal in PL

  • 67 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Ciaran,
    He is available because he has refused to sign a new contract. They wanted cash rather than lose him on a free. Much like we sold Enrique. That is hardly out of favour.

    We would benefit from having him because imo we have been 1 striker light since Best and Lovenkrands left. He would replace Obertan as an alternative from the bench, and possibly Cisse unless form picks up.

    I’d happily take him as he would strengthen our squad and options, but people on here are bigging him up to be a 15-20 goal a season striker. He isn’t. He brings his own merits, I compared him to Bellamy when he was with us. He will chip in with a few goals, work hard, stretch defences and create space for others.

    My priority in Jan would be a better hold up play striker to take over from Shola, as it is clear that this is the way that Pardew best knows to set up his team. If we got this and Long, I’d be happy (provided it isn’t Gomis).

  • 68 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Ciaran, I was one of many people who described him as a possible ‘new Shola’, but it was directed at the bench warmer position, not his playing style.

  • 69 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    I keep hearing he works hard, well so does Gutierrez does that really mean he should be playing? Since when has working hard been a replacement for actual quality. A player who is good at running into blind alleys and doesnt have a great or even decent goalscoring, doesnt have a good record for creating chances either but does run all day long!! Think we have enough of them, time for real quality to be bought in not headless chickens who work hard (Working hard should be a pr-requisite) not a bonus

  • 70 Munster Mag // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    I don’t see Long as a Shola replacement either. But we should be looking at guys like him to cover for strikers and wingers as he can do both. I think he would be a good addition, but only at a fair price. I would consider him more like Goofy, or even a Bellamy in some ways, that a “full” centre forward. Is there any chance we can keep Remy – surely the only way to do that is to buy decent players in January, and make sure he is well remunerated. Or does that statement mean that the Ashley Love Association will start berating me now for now for not understanding gearing ratios?

  • 71 martoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Long fits the criteria – close to the end of his contract so relatively cheap. If he was £5m in the summer he must be about half that come January.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2514085/West-Bromwich-Albion-striker-Shane-Long-leaving-contract-talks-agent-Baggies-stall-negotiations-form-Irishman.html

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    our toon

    he got 11 goals last season, not a terrible effort for somebody playing 2nd fiddle

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    our toon

    long is way better than jonas, offers loads more to his team. 11 goals last year and 8 the year before, thats decent enough as a backup striker.

  • 74 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Our Toon,
    It should be a pre requisite, but as we well know it isn’t. Long improves our squad, what is wrong with wanting that??

    I don’t think he is a world beater, but a far better option to come off the bench than Cisse has been, HBA, Guttierrez or Obertan. While not a great goalscorer has more end product then all the players I’ve mentioned, with the exception of Cisse’s goals, which have all but dried up.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    munster

    For all Remy doesn’t look likely you never know. I think he will just see what happens after the world cup and make his move when all options open to him.

    We may be the best club that comes in for him, just got to wait and see who else wants him. Very little I think we can do.

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    The only other option to get Remy is a risky one. We could get to Jan and tell him if he doesn’t agree to a permanent move now he will have limited chances the rest of the season, making him miss a world cup spot.

    Not ideal to upset him as he might call our bluff or stay and be unhappy, but that’s the only way I can see us signing him in Jan.

  • 77 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    No brainer Got to Mbiwa – Colo to slow now – Mbiwa has got the pace to match Long as Long uses his speed to his advantage.

    As for the Remy argument – lets wait until his trail is over

  • 78 Ciaran // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Well anyone touting him as a 15-20 goal a season striker would need their eyes tested.

    He would get in the team ahead of Cisse on Cisses’ current form because I’d rather have a grafter like Long than a lazy git like Cisse 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.

    I was very surprised to hear that WBA were trying to ship him to Hull and we were nowhere near that deal, if the same happens in January and we do not at least try to sign him I’d be very annoyed. While he might not be a world beater, having an option with PL experience is better than what we have at the moment.

  • 79 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Long was rotated a lot with Lukaku but has never been able to hold down a place in starting 11 (did start a lot few games last season though), Lukaku last year, Odemwinge previous years. Odemwinge isn’t really that good, Long is DECENT surely we want to move on from that and actually show ambition? Guiterriez and long play in different positions as does HBA whereas Cisse is a CF so you can compare them. I mentioned Jonas because fans love to slate him (Me Included) because all he does is work hard but yet I find ppl on here praising Long because he works hard, Jonas doesn’t bring anything to the team in an attacking sense, to compare Long and HBA is very laughable though. The question is do we want to move forward or are we happy to stagnate? Shane Long will bring nothing more and nothing less than Leon Best did in his time here, are we happy to go round in circles? Replacing Dross with Dross, or do we want to move forward? I’d rather have young Campbell as an option form the bench for next season.

    One St in the Winter window (Big, Stong, Quick athletic lad Benteke/Lukaku ilk) and a wide forward who can play centrally (Remy/Ba style) for the summer, none of these describe Shane Long.

  • 80 Ian Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Long is the complete antithesis of Cisse in that he works both CB’s by his constant movement. He is an intelligent ST in that he not only works the channels but often stands behind the CB’s ( in an offside position) before moving onside at the optimum time. He is I would imagine a constant irritant for both CB’s. He has good technique and although not recognised as being physical is brave and determined. Surprisingly useful in the air- he would work well with Shola rather than in place of him.

  • 81 AndyNUFC // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    I’d like to see Long here – very cheap, experience in top flight, could offer something different if not at the very least will work hard.

    Anyway I caught a couple of highlights form the Bundesliga and Pierre Lasogga of Hertha Berlin, currently loaned to Hamburg, has caught my eye. Absolute tank, 21 yrs, contract up end of 2015 season – can anybody give me any further opinion if they’ve seen him? Looks a very good prospect.

    Talking of prospects, go to Dundee United after christmas and give them a nice £5M for Ryan Gauld? Get googling / youtubing if you haven’t heard of him yet!

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    our toon

    Working hard is something what should be a given but isn’t. Working hard is only one of longs good points where it is jonas’ only good point. So don’t think it makes sense to compare them that way.

    Long is way way better than Best, scores more. Again 11 goals last year is good for somebody who we would use as backup/cover or if an extra forward was needed.

  • 83 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    TS

    First time he’s ever reached 11 goals though in season in PL, not sure about championship though!! the lads 26 about gonna turn 27 would rather take a punt on a kid like Guidetti or have Cisse and Shola as back up to Ayew and a beast of a CF. He wouldn’t improve on Best would match him

  • 84 UpAndHatem // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    ACADEMY STATUS – OFFICIAL CLUB LINE

    Off Topic, I thought I would share the below correspondence, from the club Academy Administrator and club Press Officer, with the blog. The correspondence is in reverse chrono order. For whatever reason, the club has not made any statement and were not prepared to elaborate?!

    From: Mark Hannen (Mark.Hannen@nufc.co.uk)
    Date: 08/11/2013
    To: Xxx Xxx
    Cc: Judith Horey

    From: Mark Hannen (Mark.Hannen@nufc.co.uk)
    Sent: 08 November 2013 15:41:02
    To: Xxx Xxx
    Cc: Judith Horey (Judith.Horey@nufc.co.uk)

    Hi Xxx,

    Sorry for the delay on this one.

    We haven’t made any comment or released any statement on our Academy status at the present time.

    Sorry I can’t give you any more detail at the present time

    Regards

    Mark Hannen
    Press Officer
    Newcastle United

    ——————————————————————————–

    From: Xxx Xxx
    Sent: 16 October 2013 08:27
    To: Judith Horey
    Subject: Academy Status

    Dear Judith,

    Thanks for the reply.

    Just to let you know, I am still waiting to hear from the Media Department.

    Regards,

    Xxx

    ——————————————————————————–
    From: Judith.Horey@nufc.co.uk
    To: Xxx Xxx
    CC: Mark.Hannen@nufc.co.uk
    Subject: RE: Academy Status
    Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:24:04 +0000

    Thank you for your email. I have passed it on our Media Department.

    ——————————————————————————–

    From: Xxx Xxx
    Sent: 16 October 2013 08:27
    To: Judith Horey
    Subject: Academy Status

    Dear Judith,

    I am a season ticket holder at Newcastle, in fact I have four!

    I was discussing with some friends and we wondered if Newcastle United Academy is now Category 1 Status.

    I cannot find any statement from the club but I did find a storey from the ‘official barclays premier league site’ that specifies Newcastle Academy as Category 1.

    You can find the storey below. I have also attached a pdf copy where Newcastle United Academy is mentioned as Category 1.

    Could you please confirm if this is correct? If so, when was it achieved and did the club make a statement?

    http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2013-14/jul/barclays-u21-premier-league-fixtures.html

    Thanks in advance for your time.

    Kind regards,

    Xxx Xxx

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    our toon

    best hasn’t had a record like longs modest one, he’d even worse.

    Yes I’d like better but we don’t buy many players often (apart from last jan) so as a stop gap it’s better than nothing for a couple years. He should be hitting his prime now too so 11 goals would be a welcome addition compared to 0 cisse has this league campaign.

  • 86 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Our Toon,
    To compare them is laughable? Why same age, both attacking players, both have struggled to hold down a starting place anywhere they have been. The main difference being Long has scored twice as many goals AND created more goals. Plus has a higher work rate…..

  • 87 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Our Toon,
    I’m not saying Long is anywhere near as talented a footballer, but he is just as if not more effective. Of course we would all love to see Ibrahimovic brought in, or someone of his ilk but people also realise that improvig the squad and our options is equally important. Long does do that.

    I’m not even a fan of the kid, but to write him off is doing the lad a huge disservice.

  • 88 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Lilongwe

    You are comparing a CF to a creative midfielder Shane Long and HBA are completely different players and I’d rather have HBA over Long any day of the week. So yes I believe your comparison is laughable to say the least!! The main reason HBA hasn’t ever been able to establish a position at previous clubs has nothing to do with his ability or lack of work ethic, it was almost always down to his childish/stroppy mentality, he was arrogant, argumentative and disruptive. However the lad is still talked about as one the best players clairefontaine has ever produced based on ability. He won’t get into the French National team because of what happened at last world cup, and his issues with Deschamps. Our manager is limited when it comes to ability and has experience of not being able to get the best out of gifted technical players.

    Shane Long got 8 Premier league goals last season from 34 games, Cisse got 8 goals from 36 games (Cisse played on the wing for a certain amount of time) Long has always been utilised up top, I know I mentioned this yesterday but Long has scored 76 goals in 283 games. Cisse has 119 goals from 288 games.

    Long is a backward step which wouldn’t progress us, Shane Long has never been a wide forward/forward he has always been a CF. Does anyone else believe Shane Long is a better player than HBA

  • 89 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Lilongwe

    You mention Ibrahimovic, the biggest criticism he has ever had levelled at him is that on his day he can be the best but when he’s off he’s really bad. Strolls around like Berba and doesn’t have a good work ethic. When on fire though the guy is unbelievable. HBA would bring more to the team if he wasn’t restricted, if his/our manager wasn’t so defensive!!

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    ourtoon

    not sure myself but i imagine long had many more games on the bench than cisse last year and also his work rate and movement will have created more chances/space than cisse.

    Again this is difficult to prove on my part as not really stats for the second part of that comment, just what i have seen.

    Ben arfa has under achieved his whole career. For the talent he has he has always been poor. Whether attitute, work rate, application, desire, etc there is always an issue with him. He is no doubt about it the best technical player with the ball at his feet france have produced since zidane (just my opinion, might be a bit bold, but so graceful at passing players with the ball) but he can’t convert that into being useful to the team, too many off days/poor spells during a game. Whether with us or previous sides.

  • 91 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    To everyone on this forum please read this article

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6096558.stm

    Similarities to last season? limitations of manager? playing players out of position? that article will tell you all you need to know about Pards

    I will never agree on Long but will defo agree that he brings more than Cisse in work rate but a time has to come when grafters need to be replaced by actual quality

  • 92 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Our Toon,
    Did I say Long was a better footballer? You saw the bit about Ibrahimovic but then missed the preceding sentence saying that I think Hatem is a more talented footballer…

    Hatem is a creative midfielder, yet Long has created more goals….

    You bring up last seasons figures, what you fail to mention is Cisse effectively played an extra 10 games if you take in minutes on the pitch into account. Long also assisted more goals than Cisse (or HBA) last season.

    But the key thing in whether we should sign Long is he better than what we have been bringing off the bench/can bring off the bench? The answer is surely a yes on that. Therefore he would be a good signing.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Our toon

    Long had 25 starts, 9 sub
    Cisse had 35 starts, 1 as sub.

    Long got 4 assists to cisse’s 2.

    Long would be a much better option. Cisse has been poor since his first half season, nice lad but really struggled for a long time.

    I’m not saying have long as main man, we could do with a good striker who’s strong to replace shola and a more technical guy to replace cisse. Ideally negrado and aguero (that type of pairing). Then have pace of remy and hard work/pace of long too.

  • 94 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Our Toon,
    The stupid thing here is that I’m not bothered either way whether we go after Long. I talked with others earlier and said that our priority should be a centre forward that can hold up play, but also offers more than Shola, who despite doing well recently is knocking on and can’t be relied on for the remainder of the season.

    I just thought your reasoning for not wanting him was flawed! :-)

  • 95 Mister Tuff // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    UpAnd Hatem – ref your Academy post earlier. Very strange that the club cannot answer a simple request from a fan as to the Academy. Seems like it would take 10 seconds to give a reasonable reply to the fan asking for some non controversial information -or apparently non controversial information.
    It is with episodes like this that make fans suspicious about what is happening within the corridors of power at SJP. It also throws into doubt the proposed liaison between the club and supporters it reinforces suspicions that the club don’t really want input by fans.

  • 96 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Lilongwe

    Haha nice one but lets look at the flaws in the arguments :) the stats look good for HBA considering he only plays for 10/15mins. I never checked on who started more games etc. How many did Cisse play from the right wing area though?

    HBA last season 16 starts 3 subs apps in PL total 19 games – 4 goals and 2 assists. Long had 25 starts 9 sub apps and finished 4 goals ahead of HBA and 2 assists ahead yet he started 9 more games had 6 extra subs apps making it a total of 15 extra games for HBA to get 4 goals and assists. That’s from a winger yet Long is a forward, again another reason why I don’t see rational in comparing them but stats prove that HBA is more effective the Long who plays up front

    Long this season has started 6 games with 3 sub apps and has 3 goals, HBA has started 8 games 2 off bench and has 2 goals and 2 assists Villa and Sunderland game for assists. Although this is a healthy debate which is good let’s not distort facts,

  • 97 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Lilongwe

    I normally agree with a lot of what you say mate but I’d rather not sign a CF than take Shane Long on a 4/5 yr contract, when the owner is as tight as ours we want to ensure we don’t waste money, as its a rare commodity. I would however hang onto any money made available to buy quality over graft and not much end product.

    What did you make of that Pards article when he was managing West Ham? Playing Tevez on the LW and preferring Carlton Cole upfront, struggling in the 2nd season and season he managed West Ham in Europe!! A lot of similarities to us last year and a manager well out of his depth with technically class players

  • 98 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Our Toon,
    The HBA debate wasn’t the flaw in your argument. I really don’t want to get into another debate on the pros and cons of HBA, as I know you like him, I’d sell him at the next available opportunity.

    I would be very disappointed if the club signed Long and failed to bring in an adequate hold up play forward to improve on Shola. If we got Long as well then I do think he improves the squad.

    We have 3 out and out strikers in Cisse, Remy and Shola. Goofy could do a job there, but that means taking him out of his current role which seems to be suiting him. Shola can only do 60 mins and Cisse can’t buy a goal at the minute. So I’d say 2 strikers would be quite welcome. Long would only ever be back up in my eyes, but more than capable. at that role.

    Your point about Campbell is fine, but unless he gets some game time elsewhere this season and shows rapid progression then I doubt he will be ready for the Prem next year. Same could be said for our other 2 England youth international strikers, Armstrong and Gillihead, only maybe another year down the line.

  • 99 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Our Toon,
    But hanging onto to money isn’t the way it works here so not getting Shane Long to put an extra £2million towards someone else wouldn’t happen. We will spend money if we consider it to be value, and that is how it is under Ashley. If he doesn’t see it as a good deal for him, he won’t spend the money. Sadly every other chairman wants to get as much as they can when selling. The inflexibility of our model is a major issue.

    On Pards Tevez and Cole, it really doesn’t tell me anything I don’t already know. Pards is a limited manager that knows how to work in a certain style and with certain players. As we are seeing with Shola up front, it is benefiting us to have that style of player up front with Pardew as manager. I’ve never said anything other than I think he struggles with more technical players and he prefers more workmanlike and defensive units than expansive teams.

    I would have happily shown Pardew the door, however he is still here, so we should back him and bring in players he wants/can get the best of, rather than players he can’t. Give him tools he can work with.

    If you are likening it to HBA though there is a major flaw in that Tevez is one of the most industrious forwards going.

  • 100 Rooster // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Can we win against WBA, of course we can but it won’t be plain sailing for sure, we are unable to dictate any game for 90 mins, well certainly over the last couple of years, I would definatly expect her spots during the game for sure, but West Brom will show their hand at some stage, especially if we go in front, so get ready for another rollercoaster, and I’m praying for a 4th win in a row like the rest of us.

  • 101 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    I understand what you mean by getting a ST in Jan, I want a CF this winter, Long would only be a stopgap for this season but knowing our board he won’t be sold easily as he wont have much value at all. We need a forward but that forward needs to have quality Ayew would be my choice.

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    LILO

    With you. Got to either back the manager or players and our owner has decided to back the manager. (In terms of keeping him, not listening to him).

    Pardew can’t play a full technical game but he can play a hybrid of technical and classic English style. A half way house between guardiola and pulis (I’d like to think the best of both, but in reality it’s a moderate quality).

    He has shown he can get some players with quality like remy, cabaye, Ben arfa (at times) and others (santon, debuchy, mbiwa/colo,) so a decent mix of technical and strength/power.

    Therefore I agree the club should support him with a physical and aerially strong forward, good winger and a commanding physical CB. Maybe not the ones he chooses like Carrol and Tompkins but get Carr out looking for that type.

  • 103 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    I wasn’t comparing it to the HBA situ but was pointing out that last season wasn’t a one off for Pards, and the fact that Pards cant get the best out of technical players. The best signing we can make in Jan window is a No 2 to replace Carver but a No 2 who is technically astute and can educate Pards because we wont do better than him under this Regime!!

  • 104 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Our toon.

    I do get your point on long. We have gouff as work horse with some pace. Then we have pace of remy, target of shola and finishing of cisse (all in theory).

    So I feel we need a shola upgrade, a remy replacement if he doesn’t sign and then a technical/goalscorer to replace cisse if he can’t refund his form.

    So ideally we sign negrado, remy and Suarez (unlikely though haha) but that type of player to give balance.

    In reality Llorente is a shout, struggling at juventus and they got him for free so might sell or modest fee.

  • 105 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    TS

    Thank god you said it mate, and thankfully Ashley has seen it by not giving Pards what he wants but if the manager was back in the transfer window then Tomkins and Bent etc are the players we should expect and they are Naff to say the least but JFK will not be much better in deciding

  • 106 UpAndHatem // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Mr Tuff @ 95

    My thoughts exactly!

    I actually enquired immediately after blog discussions on the subject around 6 weeks ago. It took the club almost 3 weeks to give me a reply and only after promting.

    I was going to post it straight away but sort of lost interest after the reply took so long… maybe what the club were hoping.

    I can only surmise the enquiry worked its way through a chain of command to approve a reply. This points at a very controlled media operation in my view.

    It still begs the question why could the club not give a definitive answer. One can only assume they do not have Cat 1 status. Perhaps the club were permitted into the Premier league reserves on the proviso they achieve Cat 1 status within a set period of time.

    Still, the handling and response from the club is not impressive or fan friendly to say the least. Myself as a long term fan are like many becoming increasingly more disillusioned with the running of the club, in particular the relationship with the fans. Transparency and open communication would go a long to solving a lot of the issues between club management and fans.

  • 107 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Our Toon,
    You mean Jordan Ayew, the lad with 2 goals and 1 assist in 17 matches this season? ;-)

    He is young and will develop, but he would take time to settle, and no guarantees he will develop into a goalscorer. You also talked about stopping young kids coming through, spending big (relatively for Ashley) money on a 22 year old would put our kids further out of the picture. Long provides immediate knowledge of the Prem and experience. As a back up, that suits me. Plus, at a low cost due to his contract expiring soon, we can justify leaving him out for a youngster in 2/3 years easier.

  • 108 UpAndHatem // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    *would go along long way

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Our toon

    I’ve banged on about a better number 2 for ages, can make a huge difference just giving fresh ideas and coaching methods. Pardew talks a good game so maybe he just struggled to implement it during the game, the assistant may help.

    Have you seen mike phelan’s comments? He said he practically coached man utd for last 5 years. Whether true or not shows how important a good number two is.

  • 110 UpAndHatem // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    fcuking sausage fingers!!

    *would go a long way

    and with that, I’m out of here

  • 111 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Llorente was valued at £20m+ though, he has struggled at Juve but a really good forward. Lets get like for like replacements Ayew from Marsaille can play out wide or upfront his brother or Valbuena can replace Cabs, No idea what big forward can replace Shola though (not because he’s irreplaceable) not many around of that ilk.

  • 112 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 27, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Our Toon,
    I have said coaching needs an upgrade since I first came on this blog. But as it looks unlikely for a manager change, or even staff upgrades then all we can hope for is Pardew learns and develops his style. I think he has to an extent, but we still struggle to close out games because of his natural instincts conflicting with his attempts to develop. It will take time, but there are a few green shoots there to cling onto and hope.

  • 113 kt97toonarmy // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Evening lads

    Yes i totally agree with the ST argument. We definatly need 1 we r linked with calciedo from a russian team. We will proberbly bring in gomis or tiovenan. 1 of them. Nd hopefully 2 centre backs. Cas colo will b leaving. Nd cabaye i can see joining roma. So a midfielder too

  • 114 Douglas // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Can anyone tell me why it matters which position we end in? 10th or 5th, so what for a club with no ambition.

  • 115 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Up and hatem

    Very interesting post.

    It’s the reason I am annoyed with Ashley. Said many times the transfer policy isn’t perfect but we do slowly improve the squad so not too bad.

    It’s the lack of communication and respect to the fans. I don’t want Ashley to come out every week and talk, he doesn’t even need to come out at all. He can release more press statements or have pardew say something on the academy.

    It’s just weird they always have to hide things from the fans. They seem to forget football clubs are built on its fan base.

  • 116 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    TS

    a number 2 does so much more than just offer advice, when Poyet was no2 at leeds wise got all the credit, Poyet left and Leeds started to falter. Wilkins and Clarke at Chelsea. No 2′s are really important and I for one cringe when Pards asks Carver for advice

    Yes Ayew might not have a good record this season but is 22 plays in side that’s struggling (Gomis scored at weekend lol) fact is he is young and can play out wide or up top. Long can only play centrally but runs the channels well big difference. Long is also 26 going on 27

    Yes give kids a chance but Ayew would be a kid if he joined, if Long was that good why are Hull the only team willing to take him Premiership and why are WBA keen to flog him?

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Our toon

    Fair enough, I know he is highly valued but with them getting him for free they might want to get him out the club to replace him so maybe 10mil or so…which the club would see as value, I hope.

  • 118 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Douglas finishing 10th or 5th is the difference between Europe or no EL and also the small matter of £10+ million

  • 119 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Ashley coming out? Now there’s a thought.

    Not sure I’ve timed my entrance to the blog well today…

  • 120 Our Toon // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Only time will tell, think we missed out big time on the Dutch fella who joined Jol as his no 2 this month Rene Multensteen

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Our toon

    Yeh I know they do, for me carver offers little. Been at the club too long so stuck in a rut.

    I think we need a new assistant who can offer new ideas, something different. It’s what Alex ferguson said, he changes his assistant every few years to keep bringing in different and fresh ideas.

  • 122 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    @121, I love the fact that Carver was number 2 to SBR, however, as we often quote on the blog, there isn’t any room for sentiment in football. If a new number 2 can freshen things up and point us to progress then so be it. Carver will get plenty of work on the talk-in circuit, the guy is hilarious.

  • 123 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    G

    Yeh I think the same. He was good for sir bobby but I do think we need somebody more modern and to freshen it up.

  • 124 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Can anyone explain how they know what Carver’s role is exactly and why they know he should be replaced?

    An assistant should be there to complement the manager and also to compensate for any weaknesses, there are also many other coaches to offer advice and have input into coaching,

  • 125 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Not sure that is what people are suggesting, merely discussing it as an option TDS.

  • 126 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    As for what his job is, it’s surely squaring up to oposition managers, players and anybody named Craig Bellamy.

  • 127 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Been saying it since last year Pards needs better technical advice. He’s stuck in a rut of snatching a goal and digging in, which will unwind eventually.

    So glad our ambitions are to sign magicians of the quality and experience of Ince, Ayew, Long….. happy days!

  • 128 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    TDS

    Just an idea. I think they have a different assistant, somebody with a different style.

    Also going off Alex ferguson’s comments, he said he liked a new assistant every few years to freshen up, and he is the best manager in the history of the game.

    And basing his role on the typical role of an assistant. I think he needs somebody to help influence a more modern style, I don’t think, from what I see, that carver offers the areas which pardew needs help, too similar in my view.

  • 129 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    If we had a foreign number 2 and mostly foreign coaches as some have suggested, there would be those complaining that there’s nobody at the club who understand the spirit of the club. As it is, we have Carver, Beardsley and Stone I believe. And maybe more?

    I’m all for discussion. Any thoughts on what he fan can do to make home games a more intimidating atmosphere for the opposition and turn our ground into a fortress?

  • 130 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    As for Cabaye, once you get past the hypnotic handsomeness, you soon wake up to the fact he is quite replaceable. I can’t say he’s lit up endless games for us. Pards took almost a year to play him properly anyway so he’s been kind of 2 steps back, 1 step forward. Anyway, we all knew he was gone months ago. I’m over him.

  • 131 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    TS…I honestly think we need a more modern mnager to freshen it up, not a new assist!

    …the manager brings along the style, philosophy and game plan/formation. I believe the assist. complements him – he doesn’t make up for the managers shortcomings in those departments.

    It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t a technical coach at the club :-) of course I would that, but the football is going to look the same.

  • 132 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Toondarnsarf, I really don’t think the spirit of the club has made much impression after two dismal derby losses. Change is as good as a rest….

  • 133 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    TS

    I think that’s fine when Ferguson basically embodies everything that is the modern Manchester Utd. It makes sense that he wanted new ideas to challenge the status quo so he (and the club) never got stagnant.

    It’s different for Pardew though, he hasn’t been there that long and he certainly hasn’t got the same influence on the club as Fergie had.

  • 134 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Tsunki

    Much as derby defeats hurt, they are just two games in a long season.

    Change for the sake of change isn’t the right way to go.

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Tds

    I think pardew has always managed a similar club and played a similar style, he has no experience of other styles as a player or manager (when managing abroad). That’s why we need a more technical number 2 in my eyes, doesn’t need to be foreign.

  • 136 nufc7lad // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    We shouldnt commit to buying a striker till we sort out Remy, he either s signs on permantly, provided he is innocent from his case, or he returns to QPR, and his association wiht us is over. We shouldnt sign a striker in january

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    nufc7lad

    why not a striker in January? shola is out of contract in the summer and remy more than likely won’t sign.

  • 138 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    TDS

    I think what would really work is having a standing area, hopefully this will be brought in like it is in germany.

    What I like about spanish and german sides is atmosphere, especially in german teams. I like how they announce goal scorers forename 3 times so that the fans can shout the surname, i like how dortmund have that giant puppet (we could have a pardew one? irony haha).

  • 139 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Toondarnsarf – that has to be one of the most patronising responses I have had for some time.

    I didn’t request an tutorial on the realities of a premier league fixture list. I was responding to your statement about how bumping carver or other northern coaching staff fir foreign upgrades might be perceived in the light of a removal of ‘local’ passion.

    But while we are on the derby thing, seeing as we aren’t winning cups or leagues how about just winning our games against the worst rabble ever assembled under the mackem candy striped banner? No, they are NOT 2 insignificant games at all. Perhaps your time Darnsarf has eroded some of your local passion?

  • 140 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Oh and ‘change for the sake of change’? What? How about change for the sake of improvement?

  • 141 scout // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Oh no shola out of contract in the summer, ill be losing sleep over that one. Come on we should be watching miles better players than shola on the pitch

  • 142 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I should have said @ 134 has to be one of the most patronising responses I have had for some time…..

  • 143 scout // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Dzeko in January please

  • 144 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Think not what an assistant can teach Pardew, but what Pardew could teach those assistants.

    NUFC – The true global football management training facility..how’s that for ambition?

    Is it time for my medication yet?

    Nufc7lad…We shouldn’t sign a ST in January? That comment will be popular :)

  • 145 G // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    For the record on Shola’s contract situation, rumour has it that he’s got the offer of a year extension on the table. No idea it thats factual or not, just a rumour doing the rounds in the pubs.

  • 146 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    From Long to Dzeko in a few short posts. :)

  • 147 scout // Nov 27, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    Does anyone think Adam Johnson will get another 3 caps for England

  • 148 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    G – all hingeing on if he gets the holden boot at the WC I suppose….

  • 149 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Scout…I wouldn’t have thought so. May I ask why “3″ would be significant?

  • 150 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Golden Boot. Holden? My phone invents new words.

  • 151 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Ibiza…yeah that will be the day ;-)

  • 152 scout // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    That rumour was picked out of thin air in the strawberry

  • 153 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Tsunki…Holden boot? Give me a sec, I can get this one….

    Holden? Amanda? Useless?

    Am I on the right track?

  • 154 John Tudor // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    amanda holden loverly

  • 155 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Jesper…What, that I’m finally medicated? :)

  • 156 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    JT…Okay, not totally useless then…

  • 157 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Ibiza…that as well mate! lol

  • 158 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Isn’t a Holden boot the thing on the back of an Australian car?

  • 159 scout // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Ibizatoon
    Can’t really say on here mate, just acting on information received shall we say

  • 160 John Tudor // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    ford cortina copy

  • 161 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Scout…I am well and truly at a loss with that one :)

    Tsunki…No idea, stop patronising us.

  • 162 John Tudor // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    gm firenza

  • 163 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    I thought it was a very expensive boot ;-)

  • 164 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Anyway, back on thread.

    Yes we can. There, homework done.

  • 165 John Tudor // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    hopefully 4 in a row homework not done

  • 166 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    JT…Such a rebel.

  • 167 John Tudor // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    never a straight A student
    just a pragmatist

  • 168 Tsunki // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Ibiza @162 – stop patronising? You can’t expect too much mate. :)

    Anyhoooo…. west Brom will be tricky, another ladder – climbing ‘should win’ that could end up sending us back down the snake to square one.

  • 169 Ibizatoon // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Tsunki…Sorry mate, comes with being a fan of this club…we’re encouraged to expect a lot!

    West Brom can certainly be a tricky game. But for a team that wants to stay in the PL, no finish top 10, wait, aim for EL…or maybe think about CL…we should be beating them.

  • 170 MosesNUFC // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    I think pardew will have reviewed the 2nd half, so i wouldn’t be surprised to see us really go at it against west brom, and if we go 1 or 2-0 up, i reckon we will keep attacking. As city have proved, attack is the best form of defence, although i am only expecting a narrow win for us, as west brom is a lot harder than norwich.

  • 171 Transfer Sage // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    moses

    I think we have done the same thing before and not learned from it, so don’t expect too much to change.

    I do agree west brom will be a difficult game though, so i’d happily take a narrow win.

  • 172 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Tsunki

    Firstly…please read your comment @132 and consider that I wasn’t entirely clear what you were getting at! I thought I was writing a fairly generic response but maybe I completely missed your point!

    I’m definitely not suggesting that the derby games are insignificant, but they’re not the be all and end all of our season. I have to say that I’d take losing to the mackems twice (although I do escape most of the abuse!) and get to 4th than beat them twice and finish 8th. Is that sacreligious? :-) But yeah, failing a tilt at a European place or a cup run, they are just about all we have to get excited about this season. I say “they”…sadly I now mean “it”…

  • 173 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    long time reader first time poster.Almost as old as ed first match gateshead 1953 newcastle 1957 one of the best matches i have seen so far was ncle 7 man u3 in1960.Yes we can beat west brom. they have a good record defensively but so did spurs till last weekend.i live in the south and have not seen a home game since 1967 but have seats with my wife who has never seen a live match so they had better .to mindshaft i backed ncle before the start of the season top6 finish without any confidence at 16.was surprised after the cardiff game when we were playing better when i enquired at ladbrokes and was quoted 50 so backed them again .After playing chelsea i enquired in london they quoted me 40 and i backed them and thought it was too good to be true and went back and backed them again .prices offered are only someones opinion.was surprised for you to say the odds for a top 4 finish is 15 or 16 i dont know where you saw that but saw prices at corals in the international break on a screen and laughed at the stupidity of it swansea 100 top 4 newcastle 5 points above 150 so although i really only fancy top 6 i could not resist and backed them before norwich game at150. i fancy newcastle to on chances created to stuff some one at home so why not this week

  • 174 ToonDarnSarf // Nov 27, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    TS

    Standing area isn’t going to happen any time soon. I think the authorities are too scared that if they do it and then something happens then there will be absolute hell to pay. Hillsborough is still very raw for many people so I don’t think it’s feasible. Besides, it’s down to the FA, not the club or the fans.




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