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He’s Been Terrific But He Got Left Out

5:21 pm, Monday, December 2nd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 80 Comments

Alan Pardew had his press conference today for the game at Swansea on Wednesday where we lost 1-0 last season, but played well. And the Newcastle manager is now facing the dilemma that every good club have where there is tremendous competition for places, and that is to ensure his top players see some playing time fairly regularly.

alan pardew goals on sunday

Alan Pardew - injuries will come

Top players like Hatem Ben Arfa, Steven Taylor, Vurnon Anita, Papiss Cisse and Sylvain Marveaux are all wondering when they will get their next game at Newcastle, and as we reported earlier today, they have been knocking on Alan’s door asking to play in the side.

“I would not call them fringe players by any stretch of the imagination, I would class them as first team players who are out of the team at the minute. We will need to freshen it up and change it from game to game because there are so many games.”

“Injuries will come, there is no doubt about that, we I think are in a little better position to cope since I’ came here three years ago, and I hope that is proven.” “Mike Williamson has shown if you get the opportunity, and take it, I will show faith and you will stay in the team.”

“It is the same for Hatem and Steven Taylor. It is frustrating but Steven is blocked in. Mapou has done unbelievably well and he got left out but he has been terrific.”

“They have just got to hope the chance comes and then you take it. You have to work hard on the training ground so you are ready because they will get the call.”

As Alan says above, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa has been extremely unlucky to lose his place in the side, because he has been outstanding for Newcastle when he’s played over the last several games.

And not surprisingly, Alan said the game at Swansea will be a tough game, and that he would love to extend the winning streak, which would be great – but he did say he didn’t want to lose the game, like we did last season at the Liberty Stadium bu a score of 1-0.

What do you think?

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80 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    MYM has been very very unlucky to lose his place, As is Tiote to lose the armband after some impressive performances
    Colo your a lucky lucky boy

  • 2 yo-yo // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    I would have rated both Jol and Coyle as very good potential Toon manager prospects when we ended up with AP. Funny old game football

  • 3 DubaiMicky // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    I reckon he’s suggesting we’ll play for a draw. Whether that is a good move or not I’m not so sure, we’ve had an extra days rest than Swansea who ran their arses off at Man City yesterday. We’re never good at playing for a draw, never have been, only way we get a draw is usually if we go 1:0 or more up.
    Strongest attacking team needed.

  • 4 yo-yo // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    TADS

    I wonder if Pardew isn’t trying to motivate Colo and get the best out of him for the time he has lfet at the Toon. More a man management objective. There is more than just form in picking him ahead of MYM . And Tiote might just be a solid choice as a long term captain in the future. AP does a lot of juggling that’s for sure

  • 5 John Tudor // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    only a passible juggler with two balls struggles with three four and five forget about six

  • 6 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Yo yo
    No doubt he’s trying to motivate Colo but i don’t understand the change in tactic, allowing him to walk back in sends a bad message imo, should of shown the same sternness as he has with Tiote Cisse Ben Arfa etc, if your not in top of your game find yourself a nice spot in that bench!

  • 7 Yohan Kebab // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    surely with swansea having no attacking threat and likely to be more tired than us after less rest and a tougher weekend fixture, it makes sense to give them a bit of HBA???

    i would rest remy as he looked tired, and rest shola as he cannot play 3 in a week, keep them for man u and play guti lm against swansea so him and sissoko can cope with dyer/routledge

    this leaves gouffran and hba up top for swansea, not bad. maybe rest tiote or cabs for anita if either are one from a suspension so that they are there for man u?

  • 8 John Tudor // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    michu may be back for swansea

  • 9 Yohan Kebab // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    if michu is playing, different ball game altogether and tiote is a must

  • 10 John Tudor // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    return date 4 dec

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Tsunki

    The only concern with the fringe players is if they’re not match fit. Definitely a week to use the squad though. I reckon our first choice midfield could have the edge against Man Utd on current form too. They have a team of very good players but it’s really Rooney and RvP that make their team excellent.

  • 12 donegalmag // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    South Wales Evening Post:

    Michu is set to return to training this week, a month after damaging ankle ligaments in Swansea’s derby defeat at Cardiff.

    And Laudrup will have fingers crossed that the Spaniard will soon declare himself available for first-team duty — although Wednesday’s home clash with Newcastle will probably come too soon — as Swansea search for firepower.

  • 13 John Tudor // Dec 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    last resort isnt he

  • 14 yo-yo // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    TADS

    Must have been really good in training then – as it is a sound policy

  • 15 chuck // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Pardew tends to pick winning sides, no doubt he believes thats the way to go.
    As a matter of fact he’s the most predictable manager in the league.
    Not only in team selection, but tactically.
    With no regard for who we may be playing, Citeh with their quality players or Stoke with their direct style.
    No horses for courses, as that’s possibly too complicated for him.
    Being he never adjusts the style of play during the game, other than at half time.
    Which is usually bolt the door we are leading, resulting in nine men behind the ball, with one man, totally wthout support or service alone up front.
    The best possible thing to happen is we should begin the second half tied, so we are stuck with a side that attacks rather than one that puts nine men behind the ball.
    You see we have no way of altering our style of play, once the period starts.
    Ah well, everthing comes to an end sometime.

  • 16 glasgowtoon // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Is Bony injured as well as Michu because I didn’t see his name at all during the City game. If they’re both out that means that Swansea will have very little firepower to use against us, they’ll still be dangerous but nowhere near as dangerous as they could be.

  • 17 LGFUAD21 // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Will feel let down if we play for a draw. Swansea have little attacking threat without Bony and Michu fit. We should exploit that.

  • 18 LGFUAD21 // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Also Tiote for captain for sure. He showed immense maturity and has always been dedicated. He is also our longest serving first team player after krul and colo and shola.

    Cabaye is playing for a contract IMO.

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Chuck…well I have tried to raise that concern – well maybe a little bit more diplomatic, but trust me the same old same old always try to shoot it down ;-)

    …I get your point and definitely agree to a certain extend!

  • 20 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    I am more than pleased with Colo being Capt’n when he plays.

    …if not then Cabs for me. Tiote did great when he filled in, but a Capt’n goes by example and Tiote has a long way to go for me.

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    *leads by example

  • 22 89Norcal // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    @tads – forgot about Routledge :)

    Anyways I really hope Hatem and Cisse can swing back to form. Hatem especially who I think has had an identity crisis on the pitch.

    When he has the ball it seems like he’s burdened himself to pull a rabbit out of his hat every time, rather than play proper football – hence he dribbles himself into trouble often and has a few wayward passes. That’s definitely not going to earn him a permanent spot so hopefully he can round out his game before he’s 30 :)

  • 23 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Jesper- I sense your frustration . The French have a phrase ,” moins on en parle, moins on en souffre” which means ” the less you talk about it,
    the less you suffer from it”. Wisdom indeed.

  • 24 70TWO // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    ——— Gouffran – HBA
    Gutierrez – Tiote – Sissoko – Anita
    Santon – Collo – Willo – Debuchy
    —————- Krul

    Taken on board what others have said and believe this is a good selection of experience and including three who are looking to re-establish themselves so won’t be happy holding out for a draw.

  • 25 donegalmag // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    On Cisse’s

    His frustration is adding to his goal scoring problems, he is trying to score from stupid positions, he needs to forget about that and get involved in play and link up with the midfield, the goals will come , easier said than done but needs to take a touch and play a few simple passes, “if you build it they will come” (build play, goals will come..lol)

  • 26 donegalmag // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Sorry; On Cisse,

  • 27 WWSBRD // Dec 2, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    If the players who are “knocking on the door” had done anything of note this season they’d be on the pitch not the bench. HBA is lazy, Cisse is stunningly bad, Saylor is a complete idiot and Marv is soft all of these players are technically better than the lad occupying the slot in our starting 11 currently (with the exception of Marv imo) but they haven’t earned that praise this season or arguably last

    Tough luck on them they want back in the team work harder

    One exception to this is Mbwia who was dropped for a want away captain which I personally disagree with

  • 28 70TWO // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    donegalmag
    Would you advise that same need for patience and reintegration for HBA, as he is also a forward who could do with being given some game time and not at the back end of matches. To be clear, I would not have them both on at the same time.

  • 29 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Ian…a good thing then I know when to move on wouldn’t you say ;-)

  • 30 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    WWSBRD
    :)

    Jesper
    Your right i must of completley missed your point, I thought your point was he doesn’t use the depth of the squad enough, but it can’t be that as we currently have/had Tiote HBA Anita Cisse being rotated through the squad and introduced Sissoko MYM Williamson Gouffran and Shola as key players, all by “keeping things fresh”
    Don’t see how it can now be stale after a four game win streak with only 2 goals conceded
    As for captain’s leading by example, you’ve named two players who have actively seeked transfers……..

    Btw this is not shooting anyone down, it’s debating a point, it’s been going on all day

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Apparently Ze German’s in training with the national team practice there sprints with these many parachutes on!

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    …seems we just disagree then! Good thing we got that sorted! Shall we move on then?

  • 33 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    WWSBRD- Pre Hull HBA had made a worthwhile contribution.
    But you have omitted Anita who arguably is versatile enough and has performed well when called upon!!

    But parallels cannot be drawn from our involvement in the Europa where it was anticipated that a number of players would advance their
    cause. Only to under perform which put additional pressure on the pre January squad. We are in a good place and have some very real contenders for starting spots in December with the number of games.

    For me Taylor and HBA have a lot to prove !,

  • 34 t00ntime // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    One thing I never understood about AP, he always says if you play well you’ll stay in the team. Fair enough.
    But if they play bad them seem to keep their place till injury :S
    Jonas last season could not be dropped until this season when he got injured. I cant remember him ever playing better than our other wingers yet always got a spot.
    Now Colo came in (cause of debuchys red) plays bad, keeps his place… last 2 games he has been nowhere near Mbiwas quality as of late. He shouldnt be in the first 11 and Tiote should be captain.

    Am I being dumb or does AP reward good play but not punish bad?

  • 35 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    WWSBRD
    I think Taylor needs to knuckle down if he’s to have a future at the club because Willo is leaving the lad for dead
    Can’t understand why he’s not had a couple of reserve games to at least prove his fitness (ego?)
    HBA has a hell of a lot of work to do, people talk about him not doing enough defensively, fair enough, but for me he doesn’t do enough going forward either, look at the way Gouff and Socks are playing, neither are natural wide players but are doing a much more effective job than the him

  • 36 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Jesper- It’s not always possible to liberate yourself from mindsets that limit your prospects, and rejuvenate the way you view things. That’s my excuse and I stand by it. Being obstinate doesn’t help mind-LOL

  • 37 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    t00ntime…I guess there are two sides of that argument, but I definitely get what you are saying.

    Personally I don’t think a players should keep his place just because he plays well. You would want a squad of 20 so players all on form mounting a challenge for a spot – every game are different and sometimes you need to change it up a bit.

    Even certain players go better together than others. For me bringing Colo back into the team it not just about form – there’s alot more to it I think.

    You mentioned Jones earlier and I get your point – last season I thought one of the main reasons why we underperformed so badly was because Pardew kept faith in Tiote for so long when he was having the worse possible season you could hope for.

    The whole team was a mess because the midfield was a shamble (of course there was other reasons as well and some just added to each other). Never the less it is good to see Tiote on form again and not surprisingly are we playing better as a team :)

  • 38 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Ian…it’s the paradox of either having a young mindset or an old mindset ;)

    …sometimes you meet people who just think they are right and everyone else are wrong!

    A few days ago I asked someone on here if he ever found himself stepping a few steps back asking himself if he was maybe wrong. Could things be perceived differently?

    But maybe one should stick to one’s own class? Maybe that just works better…I don’t know ;)

  • 39 t00ntime // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    @Jesper I agree with you on Tiote, AP stuck with him and luckily has gamble payed off after a long time lol.

    Not sure what Colo has brought to the table in the last 2 games that Mbiwa didn’t in the 2 before. We got lucky vs Spurs but 2 clean sheets without Colo and 0 with Colo agains ‘easier’ teams :S.

    But by the sounds of it AP will mix and match over the chirstmas period so hopefully our benched players can step up and make the selection even harder. Who knows we might see a change or 2 vs Swansea considering how much AP hates midweek games.

  • 40 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    t00ntime…I really hope AP will start to mix it up a little bit, because at some point we will start to loose – that’s just the way it is and that’s not really a problem.

    I am just a bit wary about how we will cope. We have about 23 players or so and only half of them are getting game time – it is not easy being out of form or lack confidence but we need to utilize our depth better if we are to maintain our winning form.

    That’s my opinion anyway :)

  • 41 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Jesper – Your right on the old/young mindset. And it has nothing to do with age. A very good test of the theory is to ask someone ‘ How are you’?
    Young brains , will say ‘ fine thanks’ and change the subject to something more interesting. Old brains , will however respond with an absolute litany of minor disasters and ailments.
    Anyone at any age can be as young and progressive as they think.
    Catchya later.

  • 42 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Jesper- not sure what you meant by sticking to ones own class.?
    To be continued !!!!!

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Ian…I gotta tell Ibiza that :) I might be older, but I have a younger mindset lol

    See ya!

  • 44 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    Ian…maybe it doesn’t work as well in English ;) I’ll try and explain what I meant next time around!

    Have a good one!

  • 45 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Can anyone realistically see us signing a CF whilst we have an “asset” like cisse on the bench come January?
    Personally I can’t
    We defiantly need a CB as that is generally the hardest position to bed into the league ready for when Colo takes his inevitable exit
    I’d also like to see us sign an old fashioned wide man as opposed to a winger seeing as in all honesty our most fluent play seems to be a 442, love sissoko out wide and goofy but an injury midfield or upfront could see either required to play a different position, personally would love to see pards use his old connections to bring in Lallana

  • 46 Rotonda heights // Dec 2, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    Pardew has given no valid reason for dropping MYM other than saying he’s unlucky !!

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Dec 2, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    TAds

    I’m not having a go but I love it how you always spell definitely defiantly.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Dec 2, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Chuck

    very good point. it was almost a good thing WBA equalised as we had to attack again

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    …that is because he is always defiant ;)

  • 50 Toon Tang // Dec 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Are we honestly on telly again Wed and Sat?

    That must be about 8 times from our last 9 games or something. Does anyone what to total it up for me

  • 51 yo-yo // Dec 2, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Pardew did say he had enough good performers during training to pick two teams – so it must have been a close call for MYM to get dropped – there is something other than Colo’s form going on here as a reason to pick him. As we don’t have the full picture we can only guess at the full rationale for team selection – though he does seem to stick with certain players at times.

    chuck

    Totally disagrre with you – Pardew does vary tactics frequently between and within games. The overall style of play is evolving too this season. ‘Bout time too.

    Fr’ instance I remember Stoke away a couple of seasons ago – different tactics and a good win.

    Yes he does seem to prefer 4-4-2 mostly but also plays 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 when we are getting pressed in midfield – I assume Anita coming on on Saturday was to relieve the pressure from WBA so clearly a tactical change.
    And we do play the counterattacking game – WBA away year before last with a 4-3-3 was a cracker

    Whether he is flexible enough is another matter – but he is definitely not a one trick pony.

  • 52 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    If you go on physioroom.com you will find out teams injuries

    L Britton Ankle/Foot Injury no return date
    A Rangel Calf/Shin Injury no return date
    W Bony Hamstring Injury no return date
    G Monk Knee Injury 31st Dec 13
    M Michu Ankle/Foot Injury 4th Dec 13 just returned to training

    I also think Routledge is just/has come back from injury

  • 53 Spoof // Dec 2, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    I cannot understand why Mbiwa was dropped for Colo, yes players need to be kept fresh but Mbiwa was not an ever-present, he had missed some previous games, and to drop him for a very poor Colo is simply just wrong, I have been preaching for years about how slow, how weak in the air and how physically weak he is which allows himself to be to easily pushed off the ball actually make him a very poor defender, Colo is hopeless and the sooner he leaves the better.

    Is it just a coincidence that for the first time in Willo’s Newcastle career he has had a run of games with a decent partner ( Mbiwa ) and we are now all in agreement that Willo may not be the best in the world but he can do a decent job, I’ve said all along that Colo is one of the worst defenders we have ever had and judging by Willo’s current performances alongside Mbiwa it appears that Colo was dragging Willo down and not the other way around as most perceived it to be.

    Get rid of Colo asap as we can all be sure that if our run comes to an end and we start to concede to easily again it will be Willo making way for either Saylor or Mbiwa to partner Colo, and that would be a travesty as Colo is by a distance the worst cb of them all, harsh but true and if you still cannot see how poor Colo is then all I can say is that you must be in denial.

  • 54 askar // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Mapou and HBA are on the bench because Pardew want to encourage all our players and he is showing his impartiality. That is good point :-)

    IMO Shola and Willo have to play at their very best to keep their places in the first team because:
    ——Mapou >>> Willo
    ——HBA >>> Shola*1000

    Just wait and see, Pardew is telling to them “You see guys, we can win games without you, if you want to be in my first team you have to work hard”.

    HBA needs to be challenged more and more.

    I think that his frustration will be useful for us :-) :-)

  • 55 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Askar
    If HBA takes everything on board watching the team from the sidelines and takes on the ethos of the others, then when he is unleashed he could be brilliant – hope so

  • 56 Marty-Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    I wouldn’t start Jonas no matter what,he hasn’t had game time in so long and even when he was match fit he wasn’t contributing goin forward.
    Marveau and Ben Arfa at least give them 30 mins
    Cisse will probably start up front.
    Gouffran ran his backside off on Saturday and shouldn’t be pushed to play a full game as we need him at the weekend against Utd along with Sissoko so I’d use them as subs.
    Will be interesting to see who he chooses but he’ll probably get slated for his line up by most on here.
    Some of the lads need a rest and he has to change it a bit so it could go wrong for him but that’s how it goes when playing a few games a week

  • 57 askar // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    HBA has everything as attacking player. He is our Messi or CR7. That is my opinion :-)

    Pardew is doing good man-management by not playing him. He was really average against Everton and Sunderland. He was thinking that everything was guaranteed for him. Now he knows that if he wants to be in our first team he has to play very good and work hard for the team (not defensively).

    Here is my team :

    ———————Krull———————

    Deb————Collo—Mapou—————San

    ———————Tiote————————

    Sisso————–Cabaye———————-Gouff

    —————–Ben arfa———————

    ——————Remy———————–

    Win tomorrow night: 2-0 :-)

  • 58 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Rotonda
    Lol soz mate, iphone, it comes out with some really strange auto corrects!
    Especially when typing people’s usernames!

  • 59 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Marty
    Don’t think your even gonna see Marveux on the bench mate let alone the pitch, god knows what’s happened to that lad

  • 60 Marty-Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Askar
    You’re welcome to your opinion but IMO Ben Arfa certainly doesn’t have everything as an attacking player -
    He doesn’t know when to pass,takes a poor touch most of the time when dribbling and scores too few goals.
    He’s a cheap mans Messi or Ronaldo.
    He has all the qualities but doesn’t use them only once every 5/6 games and we can’t afford to carry him.
    That’s why he’s worth a tenth of what they are,cause he’s only going to give you a tenth of what they do.
    The guy is amazing and unstoppable on his day but his days are too few and far between if you ask me

  • 61 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Tads:

    Newcastle U21s 1 Chelsea U21s 1
    (2/12/13)

    United reserves played their first home game for almost two months on Monday afternoon, registering a third consecutive 1-1 draw on Tyneside.

    The toon had eight players with senior team experience – including a rare outing for midfielder Sylvain Marveaux.

  • 62 Spoof // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Askar, you are basically claiming that Pardew is keeping players out to keep them on there toes, thats all well and fine it its true, and if’s it is true then why was Colo brought in to partner Willo when Willo’s best performances for us has came when he was partnering Mbiwa.

  • 63 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Askar
    Do you rate Ben Arfa higher than say Theo Walcott?
    Both similar players with similar time missed through injuries

  • 64 Ian Toon // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    Team: Alnwick, Satka, Haidara (Gillesphey 83), Bigirimana, Good, Dummett, Obertan, Miele, Campbell, Marveaux (Aarons 74), Sa.Ameobi (Heardman 83).
    Subs n/u: Morgan, Mitchell.

    Booked: Bigirimana.

    Crowd @ SJP 365.

  • 65 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Ian Toon
    Ah he’s appeared!!!
    Rare appearance? Sounds like Marv’s in limbo tbh, our squad is pretty full so for us to bring a couple in do we need to move a couple on?
    If so surely lads like Marv and Obertan are surely prime candidates?

  • 66 Spoof // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Tads

    as for Marveaux, Pardew has finally realised that he is as about as good as Obertan, hopefully neither of them will ever start a game for us again as they are worse than useless, let them keep the bench warm and only ever use them under exceptionally desperate circumstances.

  • 67 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    @ Spoof

    Very harsh on Marv .

    He got the most assists for us last year without playing many games and only Cabaye has better vision than him .

    IMO he should be one of the first names on the bench when we need to change a game rather than players like Obertan or Gutierrez .

  • 68 jimmysmith // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    I think Pards sticks with what he views as his best 11, particularly if it’s winning, because he doesn’t entirely trust those not in it, which seems reasonable.

    Benny, Gutierrez, Cisse, Tayls, Anita, and Marv are out of the side because they aren’t as good at the moment as those in it, and may diminish the momentum we’ve gathered if they do play. They may not be good enough full stop, but if he doesn’t play them, then they’ll ultimately want a move, which of course would actually be a good thing if we replace with better players.

    I wouldn’t complain if we upgraded on the lot of them, despite there being some real quality there. There are question marks about all of that group, plus I’d also say Shola and Willo and perhaps one or two others, as to how well they might contribute at the very top level of the EPL.

    We probably need a better and larger core group of top players and rotate them to keep them happy. I expect to see Pards continue as much as possible with the team he has now settled on and for the bench to become increasingly unhappy and for the side to drop points when changes inevitably need to be made. I don’t think if he had been rotating up to now, we’d be sitting sixth. I think that is very much in part down to the settled and excellent 11 or so.

  • 69 RonVanDam // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Colo is receiving the same treatment BA was to “keep him happy” before he split. This is not the way the team should work. If Colo starts against Swansea, he will be be outpaced by Swansea’s attacking players. Yanga needs to play the next game with Willo.

  • 70 blacknwhite yorkshireman // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    Spoof bit harsh, I know its never really happened for Marveaux since he’s been here, mixture of inconsistency and injuries but I must say he’s still a player that gets me excited when I watch him and does have undoubted quality when on the ball. Produced some moments of absolute class last season against arsenal, united and a couple in europe. I would have him on the bench all day long ahead of Obert-scone and Sammy.

    As for Swansea, not a big Shola fan and never have been but he is in the form of his life at the moment, would like to see him kept in and potentially rested against United, more joy in the air against Swansea rather than Vidic & co. Maybe HBA in for Remy if he is tired and possibly Anita in for Tiote as Swansea play quite a slow neat and tidy game which Anita could handle defensively and then he gives us more quality on the ball than Tiote

  • 71 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

    Although you are right about Obertan, he is garbage .

  • 72 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    The reality is Marv has never been given a run of more than two or three full games in the PL, whereas Sissoko, Gutierrez, & Tiote all kept their places regardless of form .

    Not saying Marv should be starting by any means (especially at the moment) but him not even being on the bench when Obertan is ? , that is madness .

    The video below shows he has talent, but he needs some game time IMO :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH4RFVfdEEU

  • 73 Dulcinea // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    People saying Marveaux is on the same level as Obertan are deluded and probably blind. Now, granted, Marveaux has a horrendous injury record but he is pure class. Anybody who saw him when he had a little run in the team last year should realise this. When fit, he’s just as good as Ben Arfa, silky, skillfull and a provider. Would love to see him fit. He’d be in my first 11 all day

  • 74 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    BPC
    Mate I could bang together highlights of my 5 a side game earlier and make me look a great player!
    He’s never had a run if games because the lad has never looked fit or like he’s got used to the pace of the PL, he was always lagging the last 10 when he played
    He may make a great impact sub but don’t think we’ll ever know as he’s clearly not doing something right for the coaching staff to overlook him every game
    Imo he massively blew his chance to impress against Morecombe by looking lethargic and uninterested

  • 75 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

    I must say our bench is looking very strong lately although mine would be :

    Elliot, M’biwa, Anita, Marv, Gutierrez, HBA, Cisse

    That is very strong compared to what we have had in the past . Not to mention Bigi, Obertan & Taylor aren’t included .

  • 76 Spoof // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    BPC

    I am really being harsh, I don’t know how many assists each player got but I will accept what you say as being true, but in all honesty judging by the amount of goals we scored did he create enough, no he didn’t but neither did the rest in fairness, last season was a washout due to too many injuries but we are now more settled and when it comes to Marveaux who many thought should have been ahead of Gutierrez last season has been shown up by the fella who he would be most likely to replace, that being Yoan Gouffran, Gouffran is a good player but nothing exceptional but already this season after only 13 games the chances are that he has already equalled if not bettered the goals scored/assist combination of what Gutierrez and Marveaux managed between them in the entiriety of the whole of last season.

    Marveaux has the work rate of Ben Arfa without the ability of Ben Arfa to change a game, when has Marveaux ever performed heroic’s for Newcastle, I actually believe that Colocinni is absolutely hopeless, but in fairness to Colo there has been times when I have said thankyou Colo you bailed us out, but I have never said that about Marveaux as for me he has never done it. A complete and utter lazy waste of space.

  • 77 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    @ Tads

    Its an opinion m8. Its not as if I have Sylvain Marveaux highlights stored on my computer, that is just a game where he played relatively well against a very good Anzhi team .

    Yes his injury record hasn’t been great but he has been fit for a couple of months now yet doesn’t get on the bench for some reason . Gutierrez, Tiote, Sissoko, Cabaye, Cisse have all had poor games in the past but they don’t find themselves playing in the reserves .

    Its not as if I fancy Marv or have a special interest in him, I just think he is a very tidy, silky player with an eye for a pass and a goal now and again .

    Stats back this up as he did get the most assists for us last year (6 I think) after playing less games than the rest of the team .

  • 78 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    @ Spoof

    He did put a peach of a cross onto Cisse’s head to put us through to the semi finals of the UEFA cup in the 90th minute.

    He also played a great pass for Cisse again (against Fulham maybe ?) through the eye of a needle to win us the game when we were in a relegation battle, but other than that he hasn’t really had a long enough run of games .

    I agree like Ben Arfa he needs to work on his attitude and work rate, but for me he would be perfect when Cabaye is starting to fade in the last 15 of a game and we are maybe a goal down or drawing and need a spark to create something.

  • 79 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 2, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    BPC
    Not saying he didn’t get the assists, he had a few tidy games last season, but he had some woeful ones as well

    But that’s all last season, this season he’s dropped out of the matchday squad and there must be a reason for that, it can’t be pinned on pardew having favourites or picking Guti because he hasn’t been available to the squad
    So there must be a reason for that, pardew has talked quiet openly about all players are on an even keel as long as they are putting the work in, in the case of Marv you can only assume he’s not doing that

    As for you having a crush on the lad, who said that! It’s your life mate, not sure what the full on defensive is about, just saying YouTube can make anyone look good, there’s a few on there that make gabby look a player

  • 80 newcastleun1ted.blogspot.com // Dec 4, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    Chuck & rotonda

    I tend to agree however I am maybe a little more harsh.

    Pardew is a muphet we don’t play exciting football and we never will under pardew who will never get a bigger job than the one he somehow finds himself in. We need to get rid of him and his mates let’s not forget. The sooner the better. Unless of course we have no ambition left at all. If that’s the case then why bother?

    Counting the days until we are free of these idiots at the helm of our great club.

    I want pardew out…




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