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These Two Have Been Brilliant In Training – Still Not In Side

9:29 am, Tuesday, December 3rd, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 47 Comments

We had wondered why Gabby Obertan had managed to make the bench over the last few games, when other players like Steven Taylor and Jonas Gutierrez hadn’t, but Alan Pardew had admitted that Gabby has been performing brilliantly in training.

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Gabby Obertan in action last season

And so has Sammy Ameobi, but he doesn’t make the bench all the time, and the 21 year-old doesn’t seem to be getting the playing time he needs to quickly improve  his game and become a good player for Newcastle.

Alan Pardew hinted the training has been good over the few weeks, and that certain players are desperate for a game:

“I’ve mentioned the obvious names,  but Sammy Ameobi has been brilliant in training and Obertan as well. They just have to be patient.” “The relationships within the team are maybe sometimes more important than the manager realizes

“I have changed teams in the past without realising the relationship certain players had – a full-back and a winger for example – and how well they had worked together.”

That last line may be a hint about the two current wingers – Yoan Gouffran and Moussa Sissoko – tracking back well and combining well with the two full backs – Mathieu Debuchy and Davide Santon.

We suppose that Gabby Obertan and Sammy Ameobi could get starts tomorrow night in South Wales, but it still seems a bit of a long shot.

What do you think?

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Tags: Gabriel Obertan · Newcastle News · Premier League · Sammy Ameobi

47 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    I just worry that Pardew gets altitude sickness when we are so high up the league. When we were 5th previously he bottled going for 4th. For someone who rates himself so highly he desperately needs to lose the fear factor and then who knows what could be achievable.

  • 2 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    “Ameobi and Williamson again proved if you put in the effort then you stay in the team. They were two of the best players on the pitch.”

    So why was MYM dumped? Would like a better answer than just ” he was unlucky”!

  • 3 Blofal // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Sammy and Dummett have a cracking attacking relationship down that left flank. I think they should be given a chance.

  • 4 martoon // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    Rotonda – I guess Pardew would argue he wants his captain on the field not just to play but organise. Not that I agree – I think it was harsh on MYM – sooner or later a CB will get injured or suspended and that is when Colo should get his chance.

  • 5 barkel // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    I would imagine that MYM was dropped because Colo is the captain and Willo was maybe just slightly better in the previous game, I’m not saying I agree with it just I think that’s why.

    I cant see any need for making big changes for the Swansea game, it might be too many games for Shola though and I think we’ll need him for ManU. Maybe give Sissoko the Shola role and put HBA on the wing, Jonas might come in either though

  • 6 ~Anita One Bites The Dust~ // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    @Rotonda heights

    Simply put, Pardew has his favorites. It was the same last season when Tiote would start ahead of Anita and Perch.

    Both Anita and Perch were consistently putting in solid performances and doing their job, yet Tiote who was 90% of last season always seemed to go straight back ahead of them.

    Surprising tho that Gutti has not slotted right back into the squad.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    If shola can’t manage two games in a week then maybe stick HBA behind remy, see if that works with him having a little more freedom.

    Could also try to cisse a run with remy….they have looked ok when on together, pull defenders around.

  • 8 Santon03 // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM


    I only said “if it has to be a different teams vs Swans and MU”. Personally I wouldn’t change a thing, why change a winning formula? Probably just use most of them as a sub.

  • 9 Santon03 // Dec 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    I think the swans game is more important than MU game. If we lose vs swans, we will have bad month in December. I would go all out on swans, think about MU game later. No guarantee that against MU we still have starting 11 available.

  • 10 Kris // Dec 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Obertan will not play tomorrow. He played the whole game for the U21′s.

  • 11 Jonny // Dec 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Not sure why pople think pardew will make 5\6 changes! I’ll be very surprise if we make 2 at most.

  • 12 infinitoon // Dec 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Agree completely! We have to take each game as it goes. Swansea win is a priority for me. We should ride our form and see about manU after that.

  • 13 Rainrix // Dec 3, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    I reckon he’ll rest shola and that’ll be about it. He did play the full 90 on saturday and as we know shola can barely last 60. Pards has been talking up cisse in recent weeks and this may be the game to bring him back into the starting lineup.

  • 14 70TWO // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Its not fear factor but his ego that prevents him from making the right adaptions when necessary.

  • 15 70TWO // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Remy/Shola will not make three games in 8 days, but I hope Cisse/HBA together are not the answer. Against Swansea I would push Gouffran forward and replace him on the left (Gutierrez), then play one of Remy or Shola. Pardew will then look to replace another midfielder early in the second half with Anita or Obertan.

  • 16 toonincheek // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Will Pardew hedge his bets – playing a strong team against Swansea and ring the changes against ManU?
    Play the strongest team where we have the best chance to get a win?

    Or will he go for broke – banking on beating Swansea with a few fringe players and saving the major players for ManU?

    Interesting one. Thoughts? Predictions?

  • 17 toonincheek // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    HBA and Cisse to start, along with MBW and Anita of course.
    It would be interesting to see Dummy and Sammy give their partnership another go, but that would mean perhaps to many changes to the team, which may be disruptive in itself.
    Goofy certainly needs a rest.

  • 18 toonincheek // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    MYM not MBW

  • 19 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Tiote the Warrior:

  • 20 Sav // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    If he can get Cisse back in the goals, we really will be flying. In Pards We Trust.

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    I think we will go for one change…shola for cisse.

    Then play the same time against man utd that played last game.

  • 22 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Training is bound to brilliant – team on a winning run everyone fit and want a piece of the action.
    Team for tomorrow night same as Saturday – feel sorry for MBiwa missing out as he and Williamson have gelled into a very good central defensive partnership.
    See in todays papers shit starting to hit fan on spuds and the bin dippers summer transfers.

    On transfers/loans Just been on
    to have a look on teams transfers and loans for 2013
    Looks like some teams like to hoover up all potential talent then loan out:
    Chelsea since the beginning of August have 18 players out on loan

  • 23 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Try again

  • 24 Blofal // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    I would be starting HBA and telling the kid, “ok Hatem your job for the team today, is to get Cisse scoring. You’ve got a great pass on you, see if you can pick him out”.

  • 25 Graeme // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Ian Toon @22 – Tiote at his best is an impressive sight!!

  • 26 sphinxhunter // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Agree with your comment at #9, Santon03, you play each game as if its your last and worry about the game after when that’s your next game. Injuries and suspensions have a way of upsetting the best of intentions.
    But Barkel, are you barking mad !!! Sisoko as a CF (lol) …yeah, right …but its not April 1st.
    Shola is a bit like a coal, keep him among the embers and he may stay on his hot streak (no goals, mind) but as soon as you pull him out of the fire, he’s gunna go out.
    Leave well enough alone – may be boring, but its tried and tested over centuries.

  • 27 barkel // Dec 3, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    I just mean as the player in front of midfield, big and strong that can hold up the ball if needed, more of the No.10 role he was playing back in February. I don’t see him playing as a CF, just if Shola needs a rest and we need a player in that sort of mould

  • 28 Shadow_Shearer // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Shola has played every game in november. He must be able 2 handle 2 games in a week by now. He has bein solid for us, and I want him playing more as he brings others into the game. but its not like he sprints about. He stands on the spot winning headers and out muscled defenders. Its like going to the gym and only working on weights, no cardio.
    Certain players like like Debuchy, Sisoko look like they can run for days, while other players like remy, goufy, cabaye could do with a rest and kept fresh for man u.
    Imo against swansea we should use Hba for remy, anita for cabaye, and for goufy we have the choice between sam ameobi, obertan or guti.
    Also I don’t see Colo lasting two game in 1 week, as he only played two games since coming back from injury. I still don’t see why he was brought back in for mbia at the first place. Mbia could play 2 games in 1 week no problem.

  • 29 Toon Tang // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    sissoko shoulder barge on ridgwell was the stuff dreams are made of hahaha poetry in motion.

  • 30 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Toon Tang. – your so right. It really got the crowd going into overdrive!!

  • 31 Toon Tang // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    ian, indeed it did mate, class. It were up there with ameobi’s on that bold defender from the brighton game a while back.

    I replayed that on the virgin box a few times that night haha

  • 32 roy // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Keep the winning team intact just drop Coloccini for Mbwia and the run will continue. But with Pardew being weak who knows?

  • 33 Toon Tang // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    adam el-abd is the name sorry. ameobi knocking him to the floor was hilarious.

    Its a good job some refs still have the balls to realise that if both defenders go into the shoulder barge exactly the same but one comes off worse, it shouldnt be called as a foul.

  • 34 Ciaran // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM


  • 35 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Toon Tang– raw power guts and determination. The skill came with his goal. Let the good times roll.

  • 36 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Time to go- football light!!

  • 37 FrankfurtMag // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Black and White with an army lol // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Roger // Dec 3, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    The only thing i can say is


    then why was Collo in the starting lineup instead of MYM?

    since Collo came back we have already conceded 2 goals against easy team.

    i only fear that when Collo starts again tomorrow they will be goals conceding.

    Debuchy, Willo, MYM, Santon.

    this was our winning back 4.


    Dont forget Anita being dropped in the first place.

    Pardew is now all about “Form and winning” yet dropped Anita for absolutely nothing a few games back.

    I am happy the team are winning but hate the hypocracy.

  • 38 bobby mango // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Depending on fitness levels, if Shola needs a rest, I’d like HBA in that forward role again.

    Saw Swansea against Fulham and their strength is down both flanks. Need the protection we’re currently getting from Gouf and Sissoko. Perhaps even Jonas to give Gouf a break.

    At the back is be tempted to go with MYM and Colo. Willo could he exposed by their pace and nimbleness.

    Tiote is needed against Utd but also needed here. Is keep him in.

  • 39 mindshaft // Dec 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    MYM dropped because Collo is the captain
    Anita dropped because Cabaye / Tiote protect the back four better whereas Anita is more of a forward thinking mid

  • 40 Scottiedog // Dec 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Right then…………..

    MYM was dropped because he has had about 6 Decent games and Collo has been consistent for over 3 Years!!!!!!!

  • 41 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM


    Er…no, that’s not really true is it.

  • 42 Scottiedog // Dec 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    So are you forgetting that Red Card that MYM got then and basically losing the win!! Collo is the captain and he has the right to come straight back in.

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM


    I don’t think colo should be captain for one….and again he shouldn’t just come back in. Mbiwa an willo were playing well together, why change that?

    Colo struggled last year and this with injuries as well as form.

  • 44 bills-son // Dec 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    One of the reasons for Willo’s good form is the cover Sissoko and Gouffran are giving to Debuchy and Santon. Last season with HBA and/or Cisse out wide our flanks were constantly under pressure and the CB’s were being drawn out of position especially when the FB’s were caught too far forward.

    I said last season and again at the start of this season that we would continue to leak goals and always be likely to get a hiding if we continued with HBA in front of Debuchy and didn’t protect Santon or curb his forward runs.

    Pards current system is not only helping the FB’s and CB’s its also helping Cabaye and Tiote because they aren’t getting pulled out wide as much either. Plus, have you noticed how Cabaye and Tiote are always making themselves available for an easy pass when the CB’s have the ball. That has cut out a lot of Willo’s hoofing.

    My point is that Colo has only had one game back from injury in this new system. What has helped Willo cut down on errors will help Colo as well.

  • 45 The next Mike Williamson // Dec 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Sameobi, Dummet, and Bigi have made a huge mistake by not going on loan. A full season wasted will ruin them at their age. How do they think a year of training drills will improve them. You get good at football by playing not by running between cones.

  • 46 FrankfurtMag // Dec 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Not exactly true @ The next Mike Willo #45

    Playing without training would be just as bad as training without playing. Remember doing drills as a kid and how it improved you? Training is reflected in playing and both come as a pair.

  • 47 toonicle // Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Sammy should definitely get a shot, he’s looked good so far this year when he’s been on the pitch.

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