Red Devils Star Missing – No Big Advantage To Magpies


And the good news is that striker Wayne Rooney will miss the game on Saturday, after picking up his fifth booking of the season in last night’s 1-0 defeat to Everton – but let’s not read too much into that.

Wayne Rooney, Manchester United v Newcastle

Wayne Rooney in action against Newcastle – not on Saturday

For one thing Robin van Persie will probably be returning form his groin strain and Manchester United have a number of players that can put the ball into the back of the net.

And remember  Swansea were without their two best strikers in Michu and Wilfried Bony last night, but still put three past Newcastle, and to think the Swans had only one win in their previous eight games in all competitions before last night’s game – and that was also their third game in six days too. 🙁

And remember that game at home to Liverpool when spirits were high because Lois Suarez had been suspended, and that gave us a big chance to win that game for the second season running?

Now my arm has started to hurt again just thinking about that game, when we conceded a massive six goals at St. James’ Park. 😀

So Wayne Rooney being missing on Saturday may not be such a big advantage to Newcastle, or maybe the more accurate way of putting it – is that it is an advantage, but we never seem to cash in on these types of opportunities – like last night for example.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #1

    I think it’s the manner of the defeat that frustrates most of us, too many errors by top players and yes Swansea will monopolise possession but we don’t have to concede ground against them, we dropped deep and let them pick passes for fun, no closing down of any sorts, especially high up the pitch. Everton went to Man Utd yesterday and got the win, how refreshing to see Jagielka come out and say “we went for the win” that’s the way to play, not sit back and soak up pressure to hit on counter attack.

    Can someone explain what the thought process was behind the changes? Obertan who’s looked “fantastic in training” should be nowhere near the team. We conceded that 2nd and it seemed from the changes that the players felt like management had given up so why should they carry on!!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #2

    Wayne Rooney missing is huge advantage Ed, he’s been the one pulling the strings for manure this season imo

    toonarmydownsouth // Dec 5, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    After watching the extended highlights of the game i thinks it’s safe to say Webb had an absolute fcuking shocker

    The handball, absolutely stonewall penalty, keepers beat and he has stopped the ball going in the net, that’s not only a pen it’s a red card

    Ashley Williams for me was a 50/50 you see them given but see the waved on so yeah feel like it should be given but can see why it wasn’t

    Shelvey, no contest, straight red no excuse missing that

    But these things happen in football, from the clips and txt commentary it just sounds like we didn’t turn up
    It’s a bad result against a team who have been poor at home and have a congested fixture list, but it’s still a good run to have 4 wins and one loss in 5 games so it’s harsh to hammer pardew/the squad too much
    For me the big test will be to see what kind of reaction we show against Manure, it’s a game were not expected to get much from so we should be able to play with a bit more free license and I fully expect to see a more committed performance
    We need to not let this result de-rail the form/consistency and the confidence we’ve seen in recent weeks

    It’s always been a big question mark over Pardews ability to react and change things quickly
    What kind of reaction we see from Pardew will tell us more about where we are than the Swansea result imo

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  • Novocastrian66

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #3

    We were poor last night. Blame the referee, bad luck? We were rubbish. Conceding possession is one thing but every time we got the ball we gave it away. Cabaye had a shocker, he was out played by Shelvey. It appeared to me his head was elsewhere.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #4

    Last night was a great time to rotate a few players who played v WBA.

    Anita should have started.
    Shola benched.
    Mbiwa for Colo.
    Even Haidara for Santon to rest him.

    Oh well at least the stream was that bad I didn’t see most of the match.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #5

    Transfer Sage

    It was Willo who played Shelvey onside, the rest of the defence had stepped up and Willo reacted to late. Colo seems to be the latest in what is becoming a long line of scapegoats for poor team performances (Tiote, Santon, Ben Arfa). When are fans going to realise it’s the manager and the negative tactics he employs that put us in the position they do!! Williamson has been found out, Colo isn’t on form at the minute but he’s just come back from injury (form is temporary class is permanent) but that’s 2 big mistakes Willo’s made in 2 consecutive games that have led to 2 goals and yet no one says anything!!

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  • shearermania

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #6

    my only thought after watching last nights game: imagine what michael laudrup could do with our squad – yes its scarry….swansea is full of journey men and average joes but their movement, their tecnique, their courage and will to play without fear was even for me very impressive…..we got some bad call by the ref but in the end we were really played out of the park…

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #7

    shearermania

    It’s hard to take any positives out of last night.
    No injuries?

    So much potential being Pardewed away.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #8

    In all fairness to those asking why if Cisse and Ben Arfa weren’t on the bench then why wasn’t Marv, Cisse was injured in the warm up so had travelled with the intention if playing a part and we have no idea when Ben Arfa came down ill, he may well of travelled

    We have no idea what Marv is doing in training, he played a reserves game the other night so maybe he’s only just coming back from injury, maybe he’s simply not match fit

    Not saying this has any bearing on a very poor performance but certainly shows were still just an injury away from being in big trouble

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #9

    our toon

    Im sure it was colo, the rest of the defence were on half way line.

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  • NUFCarter

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #10

    Shelvey was on the halfway line when the ball was played to him. so he wasn’t played on side by Williamson.

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  • martoon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #11

    On the subject of suspension the BT sport commentator said Debuchy would be suspended for his 6th yellow but surely he has just come back after his 5th. Anybody know the rules?

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #12

    TS – It was Willo who played him onside mate, but it seems as though we only had plan A. which was sit back and let them have the ball, once they scored that all went out the window

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #13

    Martoon

    he’s not suspended just the commentator being daft, Shelvey didnt run from deep, he was played on side (unless I had to much to drink last night)

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #14

    our toon

    i do apologise then, i just watched the game on an internet stream so everybody was a blur, i just thought it was colo.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #15

    TS

    It wasn’t an horrendous display at all though. Spurs absolutely battered us, yet we won 1-0, we mostly contained Swansea away from home and we seem to have been soundly beaten. We can pick fault in several of the players but it could just as easily be the situation that Krul didn’t flap at the cross, Remy scored one of 2 headers that he had, we got a penalty, Debuchy wasn’t really unlucky and it was us 2-0 with 10 mins to go. Then we’re more likely to have closed down Shelvey to keep the 3 points but even if we didn’t, we win 2-1.

    Some days it happens and some it doesn’t. Little mistakes that get punished and bits of bad luck, that’s all. Hardly as negative as some people want to portray it.

    And you’re right, Krul could have done better with the 3rd too. All 3 goals were poor and the first two had significant elements of luck, especially the 2nd!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #16

    shelvey did run from deep but when the ball was played he was a yard inside our half.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #17

    And…er…Wayne Rooney missing isn’t a boost for us? Have you seen him play recently? He’s all over the pitch and excellent in every area! He’s like Alan Shearer in his pomp, when he was making a defensive header one minute, crossing from the right wing the next and then banging one in from 20 yards the next.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #18

    Shelvey made an excellent run for the second goal, just took off from deep. No point in blaming specific players, the fact is that nobody picked him up and they should have done. But we have a very good goalkeeper for those situations and he did his job. Just very unlucky that Debuchy was in the wrong place at the wrong time…

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  • Ciaran

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #19

    I didn’t get to see the game last night so I cannot pass comment other than it was a disappointing result. I saw bits of the first half and we had a couple of decent half chances. If someone could post a full link to the game that would be great.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #20

    Blah blah with the could’ve and should’ve. If we’d rotated our players and lost then the same damn people would have been complaining because we didn’t play our best team and we’ll probably lose to Man Utd anyway.

    Yes, I question why MYM didn’t start instead of Willo (rather than coming on late on) and yes I’d have thought Anita might get a game for one of the 3 central midfielders, I also don’t know why Santon came off (tired/injured/tactical?) and it’s obviously very disappointing that we didn’t have the options of HBA or Cisse.

    But there must have been the temptation to start with a winning team and many many fans were demanding that he did just that. I happen to disagree but that doesn’t make Pardew an horrendous manager!

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #21

    TDS…the same people would not have complained if AP had rotated players, you guys would 😉

    …haven’t you been present the last few days?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #22

    TDS

    That’s why it’s not time to hit the panic button…like you say, very poo result but a closer game than the scoreline suggests. We should be winning that though when they have no strikers, thats the disappointment, was a good chance to win.

    I still think we can get something from man utd too, especially without rooney and van persie.

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  • roy

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #23

    Smug Pardew is to blame for that debacle moving Sissoko and Gouffran on to opposite wings, playing Coloccini.The sight of Nathan Dyer the smallest player on the field out jumping Coloccini for a header priceless. Tiote should have been man marking Shelvey out of the game. Obertan the training ground Messi showed why he should never get another game. Pardew will not have learned a thing from last night because it is beyond him.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #24

    jesper

    Did you read my post? I said beforehand that I’d have been tempted to swap Willo for MYM, bring Anita in for whichever of the midfielders is most tired and consider using HBA instead of Shola. Haidara for Santon would have been fine too if he was a little tired.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the neggers are consistent in their criticism??? You’re mad…

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #25

    TS

    People say no strikers but really Bony is their main striker and the Alvaro guy (who went off injured) is the only other first team striker I think. Both Michu and Shelvey are really midfielders (attacking) who can play up front. Chelsea have willingly played without strikers before as have Everton, Arsenal and others. Given the way that they play, I really don’t think having no strikers was that relevant, they have lots of attacking threats.

    Also consider the role of strikers these days and the amount of goals that players like Ronaldo, Messi, Lampard, Gerrard, Bale and others have scored. None of those are strikers either. Quite often the role of the striker seems to be to hold up the ball for the other attacking players. Who scores more, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema? Torres, Hazard, Mata?

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #26

    TDS…I just read your last comment 😉

    …I just felt like comment on it lol

    Honestly TDS, I think those you call the neggers (not all of course, but then again I even think tads or manxpie calls me a negger) are more sound at mind at times then their counterpart 😉

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #27

    TDS

    i would class ronaldo and messi as strikers to be honest, more so messi as he plays central. I do think it matters though, bony and michu get them a few goals so they are a big loss, they also as you say hold the ball and bring the others in.

    It’s not to say they had no attacking threat, but it was reduced a good amount without those players.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #28

    Roy,

    Nathan Dyer out jumped Debuchy on the far post not Colo, not one player came out of that game yesterday with their head held high, more importantly the manager got it wrong badly, he should have swallowed his pride and realised this by taking Ameobi off and bringing Anita on, this would have solidified the midfield.

    TDS

    This was on the cards, I’ve been saying for weeks that our performances have been poor, we relied heavily on luck and that ran out yesterday!! Swansea were there for the taking, they had no Strike force of note. We had Pards defending them to justify his own agenda for a poor showing last year, we looked the more tired team even though that was their 3rd game in 6 days. Swansea played to win and we let them win through rubbish tactics

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #29

    The reason this blog is crash course and have been since Christmas is not down to those whose who speak their mind and ask questions!

    …it’s because of those who constantly reminds others that they are wrong and they are right 😉

    Ian and I had a funny conversation the other day about “a young mindset” vs. “an old mindset”. Sums it pretty much up in here!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #30

    jesper

    i think on commentary last night they said cisse was set to play but became injured, so one change was to be made. missing hba was a problem too.

    it meant that the only reasonable changes would be mbiwa and anita, nothing else on the bench.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #31

    jesper

    I think the neggers are quite often completely two-faced. Many of them would be on here criticising Pardew if he had made changes and criticising Pardew if he hadn’t. Many of them are frankly just miserable c**ts who have nothing better to do with their time.

    There are those with constructive criticism and I’m all for that. Like I say, I question the team selection but I can see the temptation to stick with a winning team. It doesn’t make him a terrible manager any more than beating Man Utd on Saturday makes him an amazing one.

    5th place with an over-achieving and rarely injured squad, 16th place with an under-achieving and frequently injured squad. I predicted 8th place this season for a bigger, better and (hopefully) fitter squad. Bottom half and Pardew has failed and needs to go.

    We can’t expect managers of the calibre of SBR to be interested in our club at the moment, that’s the fact.

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  • scitoon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #32

    Jeez so much negativity! Makes me wonder whether half the comments are just from people who watched MotD last night. Really doesn’t take much for some people to spout negative sh1te about the team. We won 4 on the trot; can’t you be happy with that? Swansea are a good side who play possession football. Would i want ML as Toon manager – no: because that brand of footy is boring to watch…but that is just me.

    Anyway, I watched the game last night; i thought the team was set up quite nicely and we were very effective at closing down their defenders and midfielders. First half was pretty even with only 1 real chance each; we were unlucky Remy was foiled by a good save and Dyer stuck his (scuffed shot) in. I think AP went for a win or a draw by keeping the same team as previously utilised (although i may have played MYM instead of Willo). My observations are that we really pushed for it in the 2nd half to at least earn the draw. We were massively unlucky with the 2nd goal whereas the 3rd goal was a good shot, much like Sissoko’s goal was against Brom. Yeah we lost 3-0 but hey, we are still 7th, and we still have a chance at 5th.

    I say bring on ManUtd! Now that they are without Rooney, we stand a much better chance.

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  • scitoon

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #33

    Haha, well put TDS!!

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #34

    The thing that hurt me was that;

    Pardew brought on Mbiwa for williamson after 77 minutes with us 2-0 down.

    Thus exhausting his substitutions and going for damage limitation rather than trying to recover ground

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  • roy

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #35

    Out played by a team of players that wouldn’t get into most first teams in the Premiership. Imagine if their strikers had played against Coloccini. I wonder what tactics our deluded manager will bamboozle Man Utd with on Saturday?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #36

    TS

    If Messi and Ronaldo are strikers then so are Bale, Michu, Shelvey and others. The truth is that they are not. Michu is an attacking midfielder, Shelvey is a midfielder who has frequently played in an advance role including as a striker on many occasions. I agree Michu and Bony are losses (although neither has been excellent this season) but we also lost the options of HBA and Cisse when we could have done with attacking options.

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  • Krul To Be Kind

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #37

    In regards to the team selection and Pardew continuing to play a winning team he was in a lose – lose situation last night… damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

    We weren’t outplayed, we had more possession than most teams get at the liberty but with bad reffing we lost the game.

    1) Remy shot blocked by hand – stone wall penalty and red card not given at 1 nil – game changing decision.
    2) Williams coming through Goofy during a cross – Penalty not given and break from that led to game clinching goal.
    3) I don’t blame anyone in particular last night with exception of the ref,, you win some and you lose some – that’s football.

    The team need to reflect on yesterday’s game and make the necessary changes to be more competitive against Man Utd on Saturday…. we have lost 1 in 5 of late with some well ground out results and the only team to not lose points in November.

    So the question I ask is why are so many beginning to panic?

    The team is certainly outplaying my expectations so far so I won’t be too downhearted about and tough away defeat to a genuinely decent outfit!

    HWTL’s

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  • Ciaran

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #38

    No links then? Cheers lads 😛

    I think any criticisms of Pardew for keeping with the same side is wrong in my view. As stated before, AP would have been slated for whatever decision he had taken. If he rotated and we lost people would slate him for disrupting a winning side.

    I am one of the more critical people here, but even I think that is giving AP too much flak. We went to a good Swansea team and (by all accounts) did not perform to the standard that we have been seen to be capable of. This is the PL folks, there are no easy games, especially not against a side who keep the ball as well as Swansea. We should be looking towards Manchester United and see them ripe for the plucking. Onwards and upwards hopefully.

    Still want Ashley out mind 😉

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  • roy

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #39

    @28 Dyer out jumped Coloccini outside the box!

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #40

    Our Toon

    Like I’ve said, I think we were unlucky with the goals really. On another day, Krul palms that cross away or it doesn’t fall to Dyer, Remy scores one of the 2 headers he had, we get a penalty, the ball doesn’t bounce off Debuchy and into the net, and we’re 2-0 up late in the game. if that had happened, I don’t think it would have been shocking.

    If we’d been battered and shown no spirit then people could be seriously annoyed, but we set up to play against Swansea in the way many other teams have. Funnily enough the inability to have the ball held up by Bony or Michu led to them playing a more attractive style and getting the win.

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