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Red Devils Star Missing – No Big Advantage To Magpies

9:55 am, Thursday, December 5th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 84 Comments

And the good news is that striker Wayne Rooney will miss the game on Saturday, after picking up his fifth booking of the season in last night’s 1-0 defeat to Everton – but let’s not read too much into that.

Wayne Rooney, Manchester United v Newcastle

Wayne Rooney in action against Newcastle – not on Saturday

For one thing Robin van Persie will probably be returning form his groin strain and Manchester United have a number of players that can put the ball into the back of the net.

And remember  Swansea were without their two best strikers in Michu and Wilfried Bony last night, but still put three past Newcastle, and to think the Swans had only one win in their previous eight games in all competitions before last night’s game – and that was also their third game in six days too. :(

And remember that game at home to Liverpool when spirits were high because Lois Suarez had been suspended, and that gave us a big chance to win that game for the second season running?

Now my arm has started to hurt again just thinking about that game, when we conceded a massive six goals at St. James’ Park. :D

So Wayne Rooney being missing on Saturday may not be such a big advantage to Newcastle, or maybe the more accurate way of putting it – is that it is an advantage, but we never seem to cash in on these types of opportunities – like last night for example.

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84 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    I think it’s the manner of the defeat that frustrates most of us, too many errors by top players and yes Swansea will monopolise possession but we don’t have to concede ground against them, we dropped deep and let them pick passes for fun, no closing down of any sorts, especially high up the pitch. Everton went to Man Utd yesterday and got the win, how refreshing to see Jagielka come out and say “we went for the win” that’s the way to play, not sit back and soak up pressure to hit on counter attack.

    Can someone explain what the thought process was behind the changes? Obertan who’s looked “fantastic in training” should be nowhere near the team. We conceded that 2nd and it seemed from the changes that the players felt like management had given up so why should they carry on!!

  • 2 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Wayne Rooney missing is huge advantage Ed, he’s been the one pulling the strings for manure this season imo

    toonarmydownsouth // Dec 5, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    After watching the extended highlights of the game i thinks it’s safe to say Webb had an absolute fcuking shocker

    The handball, absolutely stonewall penalty, keepers beat and he has stopped the ball going in the net, that’s not only a pen it’s a red card

    Ashley Williams for me was a 50/50 you see them given but see the waved on so yeah feel like it should be given but can see why it wasn’t

    Shelvey, no contest, straight red no excuse missing that

    But these things happen in football, from the clips and txt commentary it just sounds like we didn’t turn up
    It’s a bad result against a team who have been poor at home and have a congested fixture list, but it’s still a good run to have 4 wins and one loss in 5 games so it’s harsh to hammer pardew/the squad too much
    For me the big test will be to see what kind of reaction we show against Manure, it’s a game were not expected to get much from so we should be able to play with a bit more free license and I fully expect to see a more committed performance
    We need to not let this result de-rail the form/consistency and the confidence we’ve seen in recent weeks

    It’s always been a big question mark over Pardews ability to react and change things quickly
    What kind of reaction we see from Pardew will tell us more about where we are than the Swansea result imo

  • 3 Novocastrian66 // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    We were poor last night. Blame the referee, bad luck? We were rubbish. Conceding possession is one thing but every time we got the ball we gave it away. Cabaye had a shocker, he was out played by Shelvey. It appeared to me his head was elsewhere.

  • 4 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Last night was a great time to rotate a few players who played v WBA.

    Anita should have started.
    Shola benched.
    Mbiwa for Colo.
    Even Haidara for Santon to rest him.

    Oh well at least the stream was that bad I didn’t see most of the match.

  • 5 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Transfer Sage

    It was Willo who played Shelvey onside, the rest of the defence had stepped up and Willo reacted to late. Colo seems to be the latest in what is becoming a long line of scapegoats for poor team performances (Tiote, Santon, Ben Arfa). When are fans going to realise it’s the manager and the negative tactics he employs that put us in the position they do!! Williamson has been found out, Colo isn’t on form at the minute but he’s just come back from injury (form is temporary class is permanent) but that’s 2 big mistakes Willo’s made in 2 consecutive games that have led to 2 goals and yet no one says anything!!

  • 6 shearermania // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    my only thought after watching last nights game: imagine what michael laudrup could do with our squad – yes its scarry….swansea is full of journey men and average joes but their movement, their tecnique, their courage and will to play without fear was even for me very impressive…..we got some bad call by the ref but in the end we were really played out of the park…

  • 7 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM


    It’s hard to take any positives out of last night.
    No injuries?

    So much potential being Pardewed away.

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    In all fairness to those asking why if Cisse and Ben Arfa weren’t on the bench then why wasn’t Marv, Cisse was injured in the warm up so had travelled with the intention if playing a part and we have no idea when Ben Arfa came down ill, he may well of travelled

    We have no idea what Marv is doing in training, he played a reserves game the other night so maybe he’s only just coming back from injury, maybe he’s simply not match fit

    Not saying this has any bearing on a very poor performance but certainly shows were still just an injury away from being in big trouble

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    our toon

    Im sure it was colo, the rest of the defence were on half way line.

  • 10 NUFCarter // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Shelvey was on the halfway line when the ball was played to him. so he wasn’t played on side by Williamson.

  • 11 martoon // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    On the subject of suspension the BT sport commentator said Debuchy would be suspended for his 6th yellow but surely he has just come back after his 5th. Anybody know the rules?

  • 12 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    TS – It was Willo who played him onside mate, but it seems as though we only had plan A. which was sit back and let them have the ball, once they scored that all went out the window

  • 13 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM


    he’s not suspended just the commentator being daft, Shelvey didnt run from deep, he was played on side (unless I had to much to drink last night)

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    our toon

    i do apologise then, i just watched the game on an internet stream so everybody was a blur, i just thought it was colo.

  • 15 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:02 AM


    It wasn’t an horrendous display at all though. Spurs absolutely battered us, yet we won 1-0, we mostly contained Swansea away from home and we seem to have been soundly beaten. We can pick fault in several of the players but it could just as easily be the situation that Krul didn’t flap at the cross, Remy scored one of 2 headers that he had, we got a penalty, Debuchy wasn’t really unlucky and it was us 2-0 with 10 mins to go. Then we’re more likely to have closed down Shelvey to keep the 3 points but even if we didn’t, we win 2-1.

    Some days it happens and some it doesn’t. Little mistakes that get punished and bits of bad luck, that’s all. Hardly as negative as some people want to portray it.

    And you’re right, Krul could have done better with the 3rd too. All 3 goals were poor and the first two had significant elements of luck, especially the 2nd!

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    shelvey did run from deep but when the ball was played he was a yard inside our half.

  • 17 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    And…er…Wayne Rooney missing isn’t a boost for us? Have you seen him play recently? He’s all over the pitch and excellent in every area! He’s like Alan Shearer in his pomp, when he was making a defensive header one minute, crossing from the right wing the next and then banging one in from 20 yards the next.

  • 18 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Shelvey made an excellent run for the second goal, just took off from deep. No point in blaming specific players, the fact is that nobody picked him up and they should have done. But we have a very good goalkeeper for those situations and he did his job. Just very unlucky that Debuchy was in the wrong place at the wrong time…

  • 19 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    I didn’t get to see the game last night so I cannot pass comment other than it was a disappointing result. I saw bits of the first half and we had a couple of decent half chances. If someone could post a full link to the game that would be great.

  • 20 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Blah blah with the could’ve and should’ve. If we’d rotated our players and lost then the same damn people would have been complaining because we didn’t play our best team and we’ll probably lose to Man Utd anyway.

    Yes, I question why MYM didn’t start instead of Willo (rather than coming on late on) and yes I’d have thought Anita might get a game for one of the 3 central midfielders, I also don’t know why Santon came off (tired/injured/tactical?) and it’s obviously very disappointing that we didn’t have the options of HBA or Cisse.

    But there must have been the temptation to start with a winning team and many many fans were demanding that he did just that. I happen to disagree but that doesn’t make Pardew an horrendous manager!

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    TDS…the same people would not have complained if AP had rotated players, you guys would ;)

    …haven’t you been present the last few days?

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM


    That’s why it’s not time to hit the panic button…like you say, very poo result but a closer game than the scoreline suggests. We should be winning that though when they have no strikers, thats the disappointment, was a good chance to win.

    I still think we can get something from man utd too, especially without rooney and van persie.

  • 23 roy // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Smug Pardew is to blame for that debacle moving Sissoko and Gouffran on to opposite wings, playing Coloccini.The sight of Nathan Dyer the smallest player on the field out jumping Coloccini for a header priceless. Tiote should have been man marking Shelvey out of the game. Obertan the training ground Messi showed why he should never get another game. Pardew will not have learned a thing from last night because it is beyond him.

  • 24 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM


    Did you read my post? I said beforehand that I’d have been tempted to swap Willo for MYM, bring Anita in for whichever of the midfielders is most tired and consider using HBA instead of Shola. Haidara for Santon would have been fine too if he was a little tired.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the neggers are consistent in their criticism??? You’re mad…

  • 25 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM


    People say no strikers but really Bony is their main striker and the Alvaro guy (who went off injured) is the only other first team striker I think. Both Michu and Shelvey are really midfielders (attacking) who can play up front. Chelsea have willingly played without strikers before as have Everton, Arsenal and others. Given the way that they play, I really don’t think having no strikers was that relevant, they have lots of attacking threats.

    Also consider the role of strikers these days and the amount of goals that players like Ronaldo, Messi, Lampard, Gerrard, Bale and others have scored. None of those are strikers either. Quite often the role of the striker seems to be to hold up the ball for the other attacking players. Who scores more, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema? Torres, Hazard, Mata?

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    TDS…I just read your last comment ;)

    …I just felt like comment on it lol

    Honestly TDS, I think those you call the neggers (not all of course, but then again I even think tads or manxpie calls me a negger) are more sound at mind at times then their counterpart ;)

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM


    i would class ronaldo and messi as strikers to be honest, more so messi as he plays central. I do think it matters though, bony and michu get them a few goals so they are a big loss, they also as you say hold the ball and bring the others in.

    It’s not to say they had no attacking threat, but it was reduced a good amount without those players.

  • 28 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM


    Nathan Dyer out jumped Debuchy on the far post not Colo, not one player came out of that game yesterday with their head held high, more importantly the manager got it wrong badly, he should have swallowed his pride and realised this by taking Ameobi off and bringing Anita on, this would have solidified the midfield.


    This was on the cards, I’ve been saying for weeks that our performances have been poor, we relied heavily on luck and that ran out yesterday!! Swansea were there for the taking, they had no Strike force of note. We had Pards defending them to justify his own agenda for a poor showing last year, we looked the more tired team even though that was their 3rd game in 6 days. Swansea played to win and we let them win through rubbish tactics

  • 29 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    The reason this blog is crash course and have been since Christmas is not down to those whose who speak their mind and ask questions!

    …it’s because of those who constantly reminds others that they are wrong and they are right ;)

    Ian and I had a funny conversation the other day about “a young mindset” vs. “an old mindset”. Sums it pretty much up in here!

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM


    i think on commentary last night they said cisse was set to play but became injured, so one change was to be made. missing hba was a problem too.

    it meant that the only reasonable changes would be mbiwa and anita, nothing else on the bench.

  • 31 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM


    I think the neggers are quite often completely two-faced. Many of them would be on here criticising Pardew if he had made changes and criticising Pardew if he hadn’t. Many of them are frankly just miserable c**ts who have nothing better to do with their time.

    There are those with constructive criticism and I’m all for that. Like I say, I question the team selection but I can see the temptation to stick with a winning team. It doesn’t make him a terrible manager any more than beating Man Utd on Saturday makes him an amazing one.

    5th place with an over-achieving and rarely injured squad, 16th place with an under-achieving and frequently injured squad. I predicted 8th place this season for a bigger, better and (hopefully) fitter squad. Bottom half and Pardew has failed and needs to go.

    We can’t expect managers of the calibre of SBR to be interested in our club at the moment, that’s the fact.

  • 32 scitoon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Jeez so much negativity! Makes me wonder whether half the comments are just from people who watched MotD last night. Really doesn’t take much for some people to spout negative sh1te about the team. We won 4 on the trot; can’t you be happy with that? Swansea are a good side who play possession football. Would i want ML as Toon manager – no: because that brand of footy is boring to watch…but that is just me.

    Anyway, I watched the game last night; i thought the team was set up quite nicely and we were very effective at closing down their defenders and midfielders. First half was pretty even with only 1 real chance each; we were unlucky Remy was foiled by a good save and Dyer stuck his (scuffed shot) in. I think AP went for a win or a draw by keeping the same team as previously utilised (although i may have played MYM instead of Willo). My observations are that we really pushed for it in the 2nd half to at least earn the draw. We were massively unlucky with the 2nd goal whereas the 3rd goal was a good shot, much like Sissoko’s goal was against Brom. Yeah we lost 3-0 but hey, we are still 7th, and we still have a chance at 5th.

    I say bring on ManUtd! Now that they are without Rooney, we stand a much better chance.

  • 33 scitoon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Haha, well put TDS!!

  • 34 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    The thing that hurt me was that;

    Pardew brought on Mbiwa for williamson after 77 minutes with us 2-0 down.

    Thus exhausting his substitutions and going for damage limitation rather than trying to recover ground

  • 35 roy // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Out played by a team of players that wouldn’t get into most first teams in the Premiership. Imagine if their strikers had played against Coloccini. I wonder what tactics our deluded manager will bamboozle Man Utd with on Saturday?

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM


    If Messi and Ronaldo are strikers then so are Bale, Michu, Shelvey and others. The truth is that they are not. Michu is an attacking midfielder, Shelvey is a midfielder who has frequently played in an advance role including as a striker on many occasions. I agree Michu and Bony are losses (although neither has been excellent this season) but we also lost the options of HBA and Cisse when we could have done with attacking options.

  • 37 Krul To Be Kind // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    In regards to the team selection and Pardew continuing to play a winning team he was in a lose – lose situation last night… damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

    We weren’t outplayed, we had more possession than most teams get at the liberty but with bad reffing we lost the game.

    1) Remy shot blocked by hand – stone wall penalty and red card not given at 1 nil – game changing decision.
    2) Williams coming through Goofy during a cross – Penalty not given and break from that led to game clinching goal.
    3) I don’t blame anyone in particular last night with exception of the ref,, you win some and you lose some – that’s football.

    The team need to reflect on yesterday’s game and make the necessary changes to be more competitive against Man Utd on Saturday…. we have lost 1 in 5 of late with some well ground out results and the only team to not lose points in November.

    So the question I ask is why are so many beginning to panic?

    The team is certainly outplaying my expectations so far so I won’t be too downhearted about and tough away defeat to a genuinely decent outfit!


  • 38 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    No links then? Cheers lads :P

    I think any criticisms of Pardew for keeping with the same side is wrong in my view. As stated before, AP would have been slated for whatever decision he had taken. If he rotated and we lost people would slate him for disrupting a winning side.

    I am one of the more critical people here, but even I think that is giving AP too much flak. We went to a good Swansea team and (by all accounts) did not perform to the standard that we have been seen to be capable of. This is the PL folks, there are no easy games, especially not against a side who keep the ball as well as Swansea. We should be looking towards Manchester United and see them ripe for the plucking. Onwards and upwards hopefully.

    Still want Ashley out mind ;)

  • 39 roy // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    @28 Dyer out jumped Coloccini outside the box!

  • 40 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Our Toon

    Like I’ve said, I think we were unlucky with the goals really. On another day, Krul palms that cross away or it doesn’t fall to Dyer, Remy scores one of the 2 headers he had, we get a penalty, the ball doesn’t bounce off Debuchy and into the net, and we’re 2-0 up late in the game. if that had happened, I don’t think it would have been shocking.

    If we’d been battered and shown no spirit then people could be seriously annoyed, but we set up to play against Swansea in the way many other teams have. Funnily enough the inability to have the ball held up by Bony or Michu led to them playing a more attractive style and getting the win.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:42 AM


    if messi isn’t a striker i’ll eat my hat, he plays central, the furthest forward in his team and always is in and around the box…he may come deeper at times but he is a striker.

    Ronaldo is a bit wider usually but messi is a forward, the same way suarez is.

    Bale is a wide man, he always plays wide apart from the odd game for spurs.

  • 42 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM


    I agree with your last post entirely. Even the bit about wanting someone else to take over the club!

    Let’s not get into that debate now but please just remember that I have stated that before and am stating it again. I would like to see a more ambitious owner of the club who is also a real football fan or I would like to see Ashley learn to engage with the fans (not necessarily directly but properly). However I can’t see the latter happening and until I hear about a better option (Richard Branson? :-) ), then I’ll enjoy the football as much as I can and hope there are as few stupid distractions as possible…

  • 43 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM


    Really have no idea what game you were watching yesterday, Swansea won only there 2nd home game of the season. The way to play against them is press them high up the pitch forcing them to go long, we didn’t do that, they were allowed to turn and pick passes for fun. As for neggers comment….I agree some on here would have lambasted Pards whether he made changes or not, Cisse injuring his heel before the game wasn’t ideal, but was he really set to play/be on the bench? I only ask this because he turned up wearing flip flops on his feet (on a bitterly cold evening) I think he had a heel issue before we left for the game and it got worse!!

    TDS – I stand by my comments as I’ve been saying it for weeks, we haven’t played well but won 4 in a row…this was expected just surprised it didn’t happen sooner. As for Rooney not being available (Fantastic news) however RVP is apparently back, Rooney missed some sitter yesterday but is in form so lets take some positives from other teams that have gone there to win….to attack them, if we play this sit back rubbish we will get hammered.

  • 44 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM


    Ok, maybe he’s a second striker or a forward, he’s not a number 9, that’s for sure. Similar to Maradonna I guess. Shelvey and Michu have both played that number 10 role before.

  • 45 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM


    Don’t worry, won’t get into it now, we’ve talked it to death, and I am sure the rest of these fine folks are tired of us tearing ten strips from each other!

    Still think January will be important to where we will finish this season. While we have done better than I had ever expected from us in the first half of the season, we still need to make a couple of signings in January to ensure that we will finish inside the top 8. We have put ourselves in a great position, and I just don’t want to see lack of investment undo that.

    Of course we could remain incredibly lucky with regards injuries and suspensions from now to the end of the season and finish inside the top 8, but I still don’t want Ashley to gamble on that.

  • 46 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Ronaldo, Messi, Ribery, Robben, Michu, Bale etc. a decade ago they would be classed as wingers/attacking mids now they are classed as forwards but there is a difference between forwards and Strikers, Remy is a forward, Cisse is a Striker and so is Shola (I think)

  • 47 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Our Toon

    We sat back against Swansea because they pass every team off the park. We had to counter attack to beat them and that’s what we did. Most football games are down to small margins, we’ve lost some games that were unlucky and we’ve won some that were unlucky. If Remy had scored, we hadn’t had the bad luck and we’d had the penalty then we’d have won fair and square, then to even up the luck Spurs would have beaten us about 3-1.

    We’re playing well. We’re not playing CL well because we’re not good enough but we’re playing well enough to get 8th place, that’s what I predicted, that’s what I think we should do and that’s what I still expect us to do.

    Anyone complaining that we aren’t going to do more is just being unrealistic. Anyone wanting more next season definitely gets my vote though! :-)

  • 48 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Ronaldo and Messi are given a free roles (do as you please) forget defending play with no fear!!

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM


    Agree again. Something wrong here… :-)

    With Cisse and HBA out we lacked attacking options, we definitely need at least one more player for those attacking roles. I’d like to see a better version of Shola to offer the option to hold up the ball AND a significant goal threat. Doesn’t have to be a 20 goal a season man (I wish!) but just someone you know will hold the ball up and be able to get 10+

    Would like to get 1 or more others too. Replace the likes of Saylor, Marv, Obertan would all be fine. I’d like us to move beyond that level of player. I feel a bit sorry for Saylor and maybe he could come good again but I’d rather have a younger centre back and let him play every week and a Cardiff or Hull.

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    our toon

    They have a free role, but also part of teams which dominate games so they would have very little defending to do even if asked.

  • 51 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM


    Possession wise everyone does concede it Swansea as they do dominate the ball, but every team also knows how they play and set up appropriately. If you set up to stay deep and not press the ball against them then you pay the price. Most teams have worked this out, most notably Stoke who pressed them in first half and got 2 goals by pressing high up the pitch, 2nd half they sat back and paid the price!!

    Its not rocket science, but this tactic we had yesterday was never going to work, sit deep and punt long to shola to hold the ball up!! There was no plan B

  • 52 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM


    And I am agreeing with you…I sense the blog about to implode! Ha

    Ideally I want an upgrade on Shola and Willo – dominant centre forward, and a dominant centre half and that should take us through to the summer and who knows, if we keep lucky with injuries we may exceed all expectations this season.

    However, no investment and 1 or 2 key injuries and this fine start to the season we are all enjoying, could quickly unravel. A club’s ambitions should not be built on such a shaky ground in my opinion.

  • 53 Jonny // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Rooney and Carrick are definitely missing and RVP is looking doubtful. We will never get a better chance to win at old Trafford.

  • 54 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    As long as we have shola Ameobi, the club will never move forward.

    41 PL goals since 2000. Nothing a tree couldn’t have done.

  • 55 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    We couldn’t beat Swansea and they had no Strikers what chance against Man Utd who will have at least Hernandez and Welbeck (Best Case Scenario for us) worst case is RVP and Hernandez

    I’m not confident, I just hope we go there with the intention of winning rather than absorbing pressure.

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:15 PM


    His goal record isn’t good enough but can you not see any positives he brings to the side?

    He gives us an outball, holds the ball up quite well and has a decent pass on him, played some nice through balls recently.

    Of course i’d prefer lukaku, drogba, etc but he does a reasonable job. He is out of contract this summer anyway so looks to be moving on.

  • 57 DokToon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:17 PM


    why do you post on here? for as long as ive been here, youve NEVER said anything positive… or worth reading for that matter…

  • 58 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:18 PM


    Seriously man, you make some decent comments, but this obsession with Shola is unhealthy.

  • 59 Belfast // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Thought we were garbage last night. We deserved a pen for that handball like, but I don’t think the second one was a pen. I don’t really think Shelvey getting sent off would have made much difference to be honest.

    The defence has looked all over the place again from Coloccini came back, and Obertan seems to be getting game time again for some reason sadly.

    Thought Debuchy was very good though

  • 60 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Pardew should have changed the formation at half time, replacing Shola with Anita as we were over run in midfield but he did nothing to change it. If plan “A” is failing we are in trouble as we do not have a plan “B” or a manager who can think on his feet and see the obvious

  • 61 DokToon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    and good mornign to all the rest of you…

  • 62 Ciaran // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Morning Dok,

    How did your son’s game go yesterday? Any better than Newcastle? :P

  • 63 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    MPs condemn football clubs which ban the press

    5 December 2013

    The NUJ Parliamentary Group is asking members to call on their MP to sign an early day motion which condemns clubs such as Newcastle Utd, Nottingham Forest, Crawley Town, Port Vale and Rotherham Utd which have withdrawn facilities from football reporters.

    The union’s national executive has agreed a motion for DM which condemned the banning of press by professional football clubs and called for a campaign for a code of conduct for all clubs. The motion said:

    “This DM is concerned by the recent spate of bannings of journalists or newspapers by professional football clubs for producing stories they do not happen to like. These include the decision by Newcastle United to bar the Newcastle Chronicle, Journal and Sunday Sun from its press facilities and to refuse to speak to their reporters, the temporary banning of a Daily Telegraph reporter by the same club last season and similar actions by Nottingham Forest, Crawley Town, Port Vale and Rotherham Utd.”
    The Newcastle Chronicle published a letter to Mike Ashley, the owner of Newcastle United on its front page, saying:

    “The club flexed itsmuscles like some kind of North Korean dictatorship – hitting out at the set of newspapers that have followed the club through thick and thin since their very first game in 1892.”
    Following a letter from the NUJ, Tottenham Hotspur football club assured visiting reporters from Newcastle that they would be welcome to all usual facilities at White Hart Lane.

    Early day motion 844


    That this House condemns the decision of Newcastle United FC Chairman, Mike Ashley, to withdraw all report facilities for journalists working on the Newcastle Chronicle, Newcastle Journal and Sunday Sun; notes that the denial of access to the St James’ Park stadium press box, training ground and interviews with players and manager leaves reporters unable to report on events which are of great interest to the local community; further notes that this follows the temporary banning of a Daily Telegraph reporter by the same club last season and similar actions by Nottingham Forest, Crawley Town, Port Vale and Rotherham United; supports the National Union of Journalists in believing that journalists working for a free press in a democratic society must be able to express themselves as they see fit within the law, without fear of petty and vindictive corporate sanctions; welcomes the broad support that supporters of the club have given to reporters trying to do their professional best in reporting the affairs of football clubs; and therefore calls on the Premier League and Football Association to implement a code of conduct in respect of the treatment of working journalists.

  • 64 Belfast // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    I actually think if we go to old trafford with a nothing to lose attitude and attack them, we could get a result.

    But if we go there and sit back we’ll probably get murdered

  • 65 DokToon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    hi ciaran…

    we got hammered as well… :(

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Krul to be kind

    Did Webb score striker-less (and 3 games in 6 days) Swansea’s 3 goals?

    You have a manager telling the 2 slowest CBs in the league to play offside, defenders on as subs when we’re chasing a goal (not for the first time) and M’Biwa still dropped for Colo and no sight of a game changer like Benny on the bench but rather Pardew’s wonder signing Obertan !!

  • 67 Rotonda heights // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    JB @ 60

    Summed up perfectly. He’s neither pro or re-active but in good and bad situations he just makes fatally wrong decisions. I don’t know if it’s arrogance or ego or what really.

  • 68 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    howard webb this midweek

    phil dowd at the weekend

  • 69 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Rotonda heights

    There is no defense for what happened last night, blaming the Ref or bad luck is clutching at straws at it’s finest.

  • 70 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM


    I said that pards should have swallowed his pride admitted he got it badly wrong and made the change after 20mins/25mins, he should have bought Anita on for Shola, Mourinho and other managers in the past have hooked players to counter a specific threat. The other option available to Pards was to put Remy LW and change from 4-4-2 by employing a 4-5-1 Gouffran on the right Sissoko moved into the middle. He didn’t do any of that though, he watched us get pummelled in possession

  • 71 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Our Toon

    It’s really worrying that everyone could see what was wrong apart from the one person who is in a position to actually do something about it.

  • 72 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Rightly or wrongly

    I was expecting an easy victory yesterday.

    anyways it has shown pardew up on his tiredness and injury excuses.

  • 73 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    I think those citing doing a pards and blaming the ref and luck need to look closely at the games we’ve won recently. Lots of luck and good keeping against Spurs, Etoo shot when MYM made a sliding block, that was going in the bottom corner but for 2 hands of MYM (Red Card and Pen) that was at 0-0, Norwich an abject and shocking performance after the break, WBA holding on but a better performance considering what had followed in the build up!!

    Give pards a week to prepare for a game and he’ll do well with this lot, give him 3 or 4 days and everything goes belly up. We didn’t have luck yesterday and decision was 50 / 50 at best (Gouff one was never a pen) but that doesn’t hide from the fact that we deserved nothing from the game and we didn’t deserve luck with all the individual errors by every player on the pitch (incl Remy whose decision making at times was really selfish) overall a shocking performance but has been on the cards for weeks!!

  • 74 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Rotonda heights

    I could not believe that he actually brought on TWO defenders when we desperately needed a goal???

    Anita must be scratching his head wondering what the hell he has to do when he see’s Obertan coming on.

  • 75 Sazzer // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Rene Girard is doing well with Lille this season especially defensively only 4 goals conceded.

  • 76 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:50 PM


    It was shocking, everyman and his dog could see they were dominating the midfield battle, against Swansea what you really want to do is have some sort of ball retention…..Anita would have been perfect, popping off short simple passes, I repeat that if Pards had changed it before the game then he would have been slated but surely between the brains trust that is Pards, Stone and Carver they could see what was happening within that opening 25mins to warrant a change!!

    It’s just bone idol arrogance. Laudrup threw Pards pre match words back into his face “feel sorry for Laudrup and the injuries they have but that’s the cost of EL we found out last year and Swansea and Tottenham are finding out this year” Spurs were in EL last season, Chelsea went on to win it, they seemed to do pretty well in the league. Laudrup has never once tried to use it as an excuse and AVB said that pards is fuelling his own agenda (I think that means he’s making a poor excuse for a poor season) as AVB believes it has very little impact unless you make it an issue by highlighting it weekly for players to hide behind

  • 77 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Read on twitter that RVP has fallen out of favor with Moyes!

    would be nice if we can put in performance.

  • 78 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM


    He’s been injured mate, RVP is better than Rooney I’m pretty sure Moyes knows this

  • 79 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Our Toon @ 73

    By that logic the game against Manu is gone too. at least pardew can blame injuries.

  • 80 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM


    if he attacks we get something, if we sit back we get hammered!! I’m not confident we can get a result and haven’t been since WBA game

  • 81 bills-son // Dec 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    The way some of you go on you’d think everytime we win it is down to luck but whenever we lose its because Pardew and this, that or the other player are sh1t. Pathetic.

    Swansea played very well, got the rub of the green and evened out the rub of the green we got against Spurs. That’s the way it goes.

    We all hate to lose but the hysterical over the top reactions that follow every defeat are comical.

  • 82 JackButler // Dec 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM


    No one is saying that when we win it’s down to luck at all, what we are saying is that it was amazing that Pardew stood there and did nothing to change the way the game was going apart from introducing TWO defenders and a player who’s standard is barely that of the PL.

    He needed to change the formation for us to get a foot hold in midfield as Tiote and Cabaye were simply being swamped and spent their time chasing shadows

  • 83 Our Toon // Dec 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Bills Son

    When ppl like yourself and other have been getting carried away with wins I have stated consistently that we haven’t played well in any of the matches. The was highlighted yesterday my friend!! You can read through my comments on the blog, bottom line is the wins masked the Jekyll & Hyde performances and fans soaked it up, November was a very good month but December will be reality under Pards!! We talk about consistency from players, think the same needs to be said about the tactics!!

  • 84 LeToonARMY // Dec 5, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    __BEN ARFA______SISSOKO______GOUFFAN_____

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