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Newcastle’s New Blueprint Is The Right Way To Go

3:10 pm, Monday, December 16th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 302 Comments

In Joe Kinnear’s program notes on Saturday,  the Newcastle Director of Football talked about the new blueprint for the Newcastle Youth Academy, which has under-performed since Mike Ashley put emphasis on youngsters in January of 2008, six months after he bought the Newcastle club.

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Joe Kinnear – emphasis on local youngsters – that’s good.

This is some of what Joe Kinnear wrote in the program notes for Saturday’s game against Southampton:

“A few weeks ago I was delighted to oversee Paul Dummett signing his contract.” “When your Academy players break through to challenge for a place in the first team place, it’s immensely satisfying and a great boost for everyone at the club.”

“It’s why we’re working on our youth development strategy to ensure that home-grown talent is also feeding into the system and contributing to the depth of the squad.” “For a club to build sustainability, we must live financially within our means and to provide a link to its local community.”

“It must have a strong system for identifying and developing the best football talent in the region and this is something Newcastle United is totally committed to.” “The general principle by which we operate is not to bring overseas youngsters or youngsters from outside our region into the Academy under the age of 16.”

“Instead we focus solely on local North-East youngsters.” “The club, with the assistance of its Foundation, foster strong links with the local boys’ clubs, leagues and schools with the intention of identifying and nurturing the region’s best young footballers.”  “We only make very rare exceptions to bring in a foreign player at Under-17 and Under-18 level.”

“That will  give our best local talent the maximum possible opportunity to progress through our structured system.” “The club has a clear pathway for the development of its best young players from the Academy, progressing through into the development squad and eventually, hopefully, playing in the Premier League.”

“If it is felt appropriate young players are sent out on loan to get valuable experience of senior football in a competitive environment.”

It’s very rare these days that we have an Academy player who progresses to playing for the Newcastle first team, and it’s not surprising that Joe Kinnear has made a big deal about Paul Dummett signing a new six-year deal, and when Paul has been given a chance in the first team, he always plays well – and looks a good player.

And Newcastle have 18 year-old striker  Adam Campbell,  16 year-old forward Adam Armstrong and 18 year-old defender Remie Streete as probably the pick of the bunch of the youngsters coming through the Youth Academy at the moment – and they are all local lads.

It would be simply great if these three youngsters  can progress to become part of the first team squad in a couple of years – that’s the target – to get local lads through to the Newcastle first team.

It’s certainly the right way to go as a strategy – but the execution of any strategy is always the most important thing if it’s to be successful – and Newcastle will need to execute a lot better than we have over the last six years.

What do you think?

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302 responses so far ↓

  • 1 asenski // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    please stop talking

  • 2 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    You just know that someone wrote that for Old Joe otherwise his program notes would have been in crayon :D

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    ciarann

    I don’t mean that. What I mean is why should we, as fans, worry about if we sign enough to deal with the problems that arise.

    There is plenty the club should be doing/worrying about to plan ahead.

  • 4 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    We cannot bring in youngsters under the age of 16 from outside the region or around the world because we do not have Category 1 Academy Status.

    The lies and spin that come out of this club disgusts me.

  • 5 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Sage

    I replied on previous thread.

  • 6 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Munster Mag

    So the only alternative to the “wait and see brigade” is the “be constantly negative brigade”?

    Look at how Spurs and Swansea are doing this season…and they’re in the Europa League. Can you think of a club who have done well while in the Europa League recently?

    There just isn’t enough money in it to make it viable to sign all the extra players required to perform at the same level. Not for PL clubs anyway.

    I don’t think he’ll waver from the target unless we qualify for the CL. The target next season will be top 8 with a push for Europe or a cup I reckon.

  • 7 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Ok. I don’t like where this blog is going again. I’m going to stop bothering to come on here if all I see is a minority of people whinging about bloody everything.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    ciaran

    most fans sit there and don’t do anything about transfers…there is little that can be done with them. Ultimately the club will spend when it is ready to.

    We can protest and march against the club policy but thats something which takes long term planning. I simply mean sitting here why worry about what will happen.

    The club could be doing better but i feel our transfer policy isn’t that bad. My problems with Ashley are more the way he treats fans as nothing more than customers as oppose to fans.

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    TDS

    I think we have a decent 18/19 players at the club.

    what needs to be done now is to upgrade the fringe players…move on the obertans and replace with either youngsters who are full of potential or to replace then with one or two very good ready made players who will come in and push.

    we now have enough we don’t need filler players anymore.

  • 10 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    TDS

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    Sage

    Signing 1 loan player in the summer isn’t a bad transfer policy? We’ve been incredibly lucky that players like Willo and Shola have dug us out of a hole – there was evidence to suggest that they would play at this level so signings in replace of them were necessary but did not come through so that is a failing on the transfer policy.

    Players like Obertan, Saylor, and Marveaux are not good enough and should be moved on. Williamson is doing well recently but I suspect he will revert to his normal level soon and Shola is done and should not get a contract extension.

    What the club does in relation to these issues in January will tell the tale as to how good/bad the policy is.

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    TS

    Good luck. I don’t believe that Ciaran is open to having his mind changed though and he’ll fail to acknowledge any good points you make anyway unless they help prove him right.

    I completely agree with post number 8 and I think most fans would agree too. It’s only a minority who think negatively, but they are often the gobby minority.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    ciaran

    The hope that i hold onto is that the club saw how they bought decent players cheaply last jan and that they will do the same this year, a new policy maybe? it might not be though.

    And of course i would like more, but we have a decent squad. why get so annoyed?

    personally i now just want to enjoy watching us play some decent football (which i think we do).

  • 13 Scottiedog // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    REPOST – (Ed is on fire!!)
    @ Ciaran – You say we have seen it before!?!?! Yes we sold Carroll, but IMO that was very good business looking at what has done since!! Other than that we have only sold squad players and bought in blooded inter nationals!! I think we are a good centre forward away from a top 6 side, IMO,
    Were we have excelled this year is out “TEAM” ethic and a good bond. You cannot buy that!!
    Ciaran, I hope you oneday see that NUFC have to take building a good takes time and as such I think we are on the right course. Obviously there will always be fans who think that being financially stable and finishing 7th is not good enough, but we are a mid table team, we have never won the Premier League, nor a recent Major Cup so to constantly bleet on about “lack of ambition” is getting a bit old.

  • 14 Nufc-83 // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Ciaran im sure that it does not matter what status you academy is you could still bring on oversees youngsters.

    I am also sure that we have now recieved category 1 status anyway.

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    TDS

    I like ciaran, he is a decent guy and has the best interest of the club at heart.

    I don’t agree with everything he says, likewise i don’t agree with everything you, or anyone for that matter says.

    I do think that there are plenty of things in the league which is worse than what we endure, and also plenty worse teams, we have a decent 18-20 players and now when i look at our bench i am always confident we have something good to come off it.

  • 16 Markaccus // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    You just know that someone wrote that for Old Joe otherwise his program notes would have been in crayon :D

    I have not been here in AGES. What a fantastic comment to come back to! Good work, fella!

    Nice to see a lot of the negativity has gone (not all of it), but i noticed that a new ‘Brigade’ has been invented… the “wait and see” brigade!

  • 17 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Sage

    We bought players last Jan because we were facing relegation, nothing more.

    NUFC-83

    The benefit of having a Cat 1 Academy is the ability to sign players outside your catchment region. We are prohibited from signing players outside out catchment region for our Academy as a Cat 2 Academy, but because there is no clarification on our status, people assume we are a Cat 1.

  • 18 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    “We have to live within our means”.

    Sure great.

    Then stop crippling us with SD adverts and let us behave independently from SD commercially.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    TS

    Completely and totally agree. We have a squad good enough and big enough to get that 8th place. And yes, the likes of Obertan, Marv and Saylor could do with being upgraded. They have had enough chances I think and I would like to see a higher class of squad player. I think we need players that we know are going to perform to a 6 or 7 out of 10 every time or we need players who aren’t quite there yet but are capable of challenging the first 11. If they’re neither of these then sell them.

  • 20 martoon // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Hi Markaccus where have you been hiding? Basically you have Ciaran (who used to be Ruddy) in one corner and TDSouth in the other and the rest of us somewhere in the middle.

  • 21 jimBOB // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    sorry Joe but with your vast knowledge of our academy (shane Ferguson) I find it hard not to stick my fingers in my ears and blow my eyeballs out of my head.

    when they are ready for the first team give them a chance, Campbell, needs to get a chance – Dummet plays well and gets dropped, Armstrong is 16, looks great – his awareness is unbelievable for his age – fact is he is 16 and Pards will never play him yet – streete will not get a game for at least 3-4 years,

    Just IMO

  • 22 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Can’t sell before we replace. If we are not replacing in January and then selling in the summer then that puts paid to the notion that we have a forward thinking transfer policy and replaces it with the reality that it is ad hoc and completely made up as we go along.

    Colo has wanted out for the best part of a year yet and we need a stronger dominant centre half. M’biwa is Colo’s replacement yet we still do not have that added centre half.

    Remy will most likely be leaving in the summer, and we have needed an extra striker since Ba left in January, and if no striker arrives in January we will be behind the curve again.

    Shola’s contract expires this summer (and should not be renewed) and he has been a fairly woeful – average player these last few years, yet we still have no strong centre forward who can hold up the ball.

    Remind me why our transfer policy is being lauded again? I can’t see it.

  • 23 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    TS

    I don’t like or dislike Ciaran because I’ve never met him but I highly dislike the persona on this blog and how he communicates with others. He knows this as I’ve told him before.

    I don’t expect everyone to agree with me (nor do I want it) but I do expect for my points to be acknowledged and addressed when I take the effort to actually read and respond to someone else’s.

    When someone takes the approach of a scatter gun attack of the club, it’s obvious that a few of the attacks will actually have some truth in them.

  • 24 Markaccus // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    on what appears to be debate of the day…..

    Ciaran’s concerns seem to be off the pitch ones, and i agree with him… Fat b-stard has proved he makes the same f- ups all the time.
    Sages point about trying not to worry about it is also very valid because there is very little can be done about what fatley does.

  • 25 coatesy17 // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Think Papiss cisse just needs to start wearing his wrist band again with short sleeves, since he stopped wearing it he has stopped scoring. coincidence? ha

  • 26 croftus5678 // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    we do have cat 1 status tbh

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2013/07/30/newcastle-achieve-category-one-academy-status/

    and we arnt too bad when you look at the youngsters play as we have some really good players who perform well its just we cant risk playing them on a run in the first team because if they do something bad we jump all over them !

  • 27 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Obertan, Marv, Saylor, Willo, Jonas, both Ameobis Raylor, Amalfitano, Colo byebye from me. Cheers for everything but realistically who a you giving a reprieve from the list? Onwards and upwards?

  • 28 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Ciaran

    Are you really back on this? Do I really have to point out how stupid that suggestion is??? Buy players in January to replace players that YOU are convinced will leave in the summer? Stupid.

    I’ll point out a few reasons why:
    1 – they might not leave
    2 – you have to pay twice the wages for those players for a few months
    3 – you can’t play both of the players
    4 – negotiation in the summer would be severely weakened because other clubs know we’d have to sell!

    Your suggestion that we sign 5 players in January to replace Remy, Cabaye, Colo and Shola is ridiculous. They will be replaced if they leave, just like every other club does.

  • 29 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    TDS

    There is nothing I write here that I wouldn’t say to you in person. I might perhaps be a bit more polite about it, but not much.

  • 30 Markaccus // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Martoon.

    I was avoiding the site for a while. It was so frustrating at times. I have noticed there are a few names missing these days??

  • 31 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Croftus

    I contacted the club myself, and they stated that there has been no update on the category of the academy. We do not have Cat 1.

  • 32 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    coatesy17

    Stat in the Chronicle said that he wasn’t receiving many passes. I guess that’s a consequence of being so out of touch for so long. Not good for his confidence or the team’s balance.

  • 33 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Ciaran

    Wasn’t it announced on the FA site a few months back?

  • 34 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    TDS

    When you have options for positions it provides squad strength in depth, it does not force you into a position where you have to sell – ludicrous claim.

    In the same token, if you sell players and are frantically trying to sign a replacement it puts you in a weaker position re negotiations because the other club knows you are desperate to buy.

    You are being ever so slightly ridiculous now.

  • 35 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    We do have, contrary to what Ciaron says Category 1 Status at our youth acadamy . This was awarded to us in the summer.
    This fact was also widely reported on here, although most of you were so busy touting negativity and spouting crap, the announcement went un-noticed !

    TDS _ don,t give up on us just yet! You can do the same as i do and just refrain from using the Blog so often!

  • 36 roy // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Coloccini, Obertan. Sammy, Marv, Saylor, Cisse HBA Vuckic Gosling and Jonas should all be moved on and better players brought in.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    ciaran

    On last jan I agree, we bought as we needed to stay up. I don’t think the plan was to strengthen in Jan.

    What I mean was maybe Ashley saw that and thinks he can do it every year like that, spend in the winter and limit spending in the summer.

    So this jan we might do the same. As we don’t sign may international players they won’t be worried about moving and losing their place in the world cup, we may even get one or two who need to take a gamble at a new club to get a world cup place as they aren’t playing.

    I am not 100% confident, probably not even 50% but I’ll just see what happens. Not much else I can do in the mean time.

  • 38 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Hatem

    Nope, there has been many suggestions that we might have it – such as playing in U 21 Elite League (or whatever it is called) but having contacted the club myself they said they had no confirmation of our Cat 1 status.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    ciaran

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2013/07/30/newcastle-achieve-category-one-academy-status/

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/exclusive-newcastle-united-get-top-academy-status-but-they-just-forgot-to-tell-us/

    we have cat 1 status

  • 41 DokToon // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    mark,

    welcome back.. i think…. :)

  • 42 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Good advice, the less deluded muppets on here the better.

    Off you go, leave us to spout crap in peace.

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    ciaran

    soembody else contacted the club, i apologise as i can’t remember the guy, but he posted it here where the club would neither confirm nor deny cat 1 status.

    I am sure we have it though, was confirmed by the FA.

  • 44 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    I really really REALLY hate to do it…but I actually think Ciaran is right about the academy. Last season we were given permission to enter the U21 league pending making certain changes. The fact that we’re in the U21 league again this season does not prove that we’re category 1, but it does prove that we haven’t been formally denied category 1 status.

  • 45 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    That article does not make reference to any announcement of Cat 1 status

    I contacted Mark Hannen, an employee of the club regarding our academy status on 2nd December, and he replied that there was no confirmation as to our status hence no announcement.

    If you do not believe me then I suggest you contact him yourselves his e-mail address is mark.hannen@nufc.co.uk

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    TDS

    I agree it’s not official, i got that FA statement wrong, mis read the article on their site.

    But it is speculation, apparently being in the elite under 21 league is what it leads to.

    The way the club always makes and good news hit the front pages does make me think it’s odd they hadn’t announced it, they never miss a good PR stunt.

    Apologies ciaran

  • 47 martoon // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Ciaran, TDS – surely the truth is halfway between your 2 opposite ends. In the case of Shola, say, the club must know now if they are going to extend his contract so if not getting a replacement sooner not later would be prudent. In the case of Cabaye, say, it is not so clear so probably best to wait.

  • 48 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Sage

    We have Cat 1 yet the club forgot to tell us?

    Have we descended into madness where we genuinely believe that!?!

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    ciaran

    Thats what my issue with it is, the club never miss a good chance for PR, so can imagine they would be shouting this from the top of St james’s park

    my apologies, got the articles wrong and thought i had read something differently.

  • 50 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    Sage

    No apologies necessary.

  • 51 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Ciaran

    Well if you spoke to me in person and kept completely ignoring what I’m saying and making the same point time and time again without addressing my point of view, I can’t imagine we’d be talking for very long…

    Having a bigger squad is one thing, but yet again you twist the argument from the original point because it suits your agenda. Your point was that we should sign players in January to replace those that you expect will leave in the summer. It’s that point that I say is completely ridiculous.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Ciaran

    I think it’s something which also ties in with Joe’s comments….like you say the rules force his hand. The club would be daft to not try and pick up better kids from outside the region, especially if they were better than local.

    It’s good to look to local first and foremost, but can’t get everything from the region, so i fear you are correct with them spinning it.

    I do think it’s something the club should look at though, that’s the kind of thing which annoys me more than transfer policy. Why state you are building for the future then not get top academy status when teams like reading and boro have it.

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    TDS

    my view is you sign player to improve the squad, then if you do need to sell/player wants to go you sell and replace.

    I think we should buy in jan to strengthen the team then also in the summer if we sell a big player as we have more cash then.

    I think they key thing is that transfers in and out don’t need to be linked directly, yes you need a certain squad size but selling doesn’t mean you must buy and buying doesn’t mean you must sell, they aren’t mutually exclusive.

  • 54 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    I haven’t been on the blog much for a week or so. But then I come on today and it’s still Ciaran raging against the club and finding any area to criticise.

    There are only a few people here who I think spoil the blog but sadly 2 or 3 of them post a lot…

  • 55 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    TDS

    So we should not sign another striker even if we might keep Remy? We should not sign another strong centre half even if we keep Colo?

    Because I think we should, you find that completely ridiculous bordering on the insane? The fact that you don’t should come under a little more scrutiny. We shouldn’t because of the massive wages we would be paying them? Behave.

  • 56 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Sage

    That is why I firmly believe there is no plan to progress, not properly in any fashion that we would consider progress. The club will spin, and twist and outright lie – programme notes by ‘Joe Kinnear’ is a bold faced lie that the club are revelling in. Any fan who believes he is writing them needs their head examined.

    The club is corrupt to the core. We’re being taken for mugs by the current custodian of the club (he’s merely renting this club, he will never truly own it) and until he is gone, we will not be able to believe a word that comes from the Baboons on Barrack Road.

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    TS

    Agreed. And we know the club has a limited income and so the wage bill needs to be limited too. Signing a player on £50kpw means £2.6M a year in wages.

    I want to strengthen in January but I agree with you, we should be signing some exciting young players to replace those that are just making up the numbers.

  • 58 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Talking of Academy products, I believe Jack Wilshire is falling for his own hype and is beginning to look like a jumped up little sh#te. The combination of not getting it all his own way and having the p#ss ripped out of him has shown his brittle personality. When he is playing for England the past few times, he has struggled to get a grip on the game and has equally been prone to sulking, with his face in the grass having looked moarnfully at the referee.

  • 59 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Playing the numbers game? Here’s a number for you; 14 million, our commercial revenue in 2011/12 down from 24 million prior to Ashley buying the club.

    Here’s another number; 24 million, our matchday revenue in 2011/12, down from 37 million prior to Ashley buying the club.

    Under Ashley’s stewardship, NUFC have lost 23 million pounds in these areas. The only reason revenue is up is because of the sharp increase in television revenue (up from 26 million to 56 million, something which MA had nothing to do with)

    So it would seem that Mike Ashley is bad for business at Newcastle United.

  • 60 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    @42 :

    I was speaking in general and not in Particular :

    My sincere apologies to you if you took offence!

  • 61 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Ciaran

    Scrutiny?! Who the hell do you think you are? The blog Stasi???

    We should sign another striker because I think we are a striker short. I think a centre half would be good because I don’t think Saylor is good enough.

    Simple point. We should not sign players in January to replace possible outgoings in summer. We should sign players to strengthen the squad or to replace players that leave in Jan.

  • 62 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Talking of transfers, look at Harry Rednap the acclaimed ‘wheeler-dealer’. Every club he has left with massive debts, huge squads of players and unbelievable wage bill. Because he neglected to consider the out-going transfers, which looking at some of the lists posted would be worth approx £10-20M.

  • 63 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    A forward thinking transfer strategy does not mean buying in your replacements 6 months before the player leaves. It does however involve identifying players, speaking to the appropriate representatives, and generally putting in the groundwork so that when the time comes for a player to leave, then there is a replacement lined up and in position to sign either just before or just after the departure.

    On academy status, I am 95% certain that we are yet to receive academy 1 status, which would prohibit us from signing certain players, but we can still bring in overseas players. However we are vulnerable if a top tier academy wants to cherry pick one of our youngsters as category 2, 3, and 4 are given lower fees for their youngsters regardless of talent as they will best progress at a Cat 1 academy.

  • 64 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    TDS

    So you agree that we should sign players, it is the purpose with which this is done that you have taken massive exception to? Bit pedantic.

    I think signing another centre half and another striker would both improve the team and replace potential outgoing players. Wow, look at that, it was able to encompass more than one purpose!

  • 65 Ben3arfa // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Joe Kinnear the talent spotter lol now piss off and try find us some players in January ya muppet

  • 66 Mister Tuff // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    tds @54 – blog spoilers —- get the rascals named.

  • 67 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Ciaran

    Of course I think we should sign players. I, and pretty much every fan, would say that we should sign a striker at least in January.

    My issue was with your ridiculous comment that the club should sign 5 players in January to at least replace the 4 that you expect to leave in the summer. Yet you change the point rather than just accept that I am right.

    I give up…

  • 68 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Nobody spoils the blog.
    Every opinion is valid.

    Somebody writes a lengthy post that takes time and thought. Their opinion.
    To be met with a cheap one-liner with the word “negger” in there. Happens far to often.

  • 69 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    Talking of semantics, I think any club who had the possibility of transferring in a player with the benefit of not being required to ‘hit the ground running’ would purchase. Especially when knowing that they have two players who play in the same position, one who is on loan and the other is going to be out of contract. Further more, if no transfer were to materialise then the whole process would move on to the next transfer window.

  • 70 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Haha. Well I’ll say there’s one who posts more than anyone else and he doesn’t take a genius to identify… ;-)

  • 71 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    TDS

    Given how players like Obertan, Marveaux, and Saylor are not up to scratch, Shola and Willo are not good enough in my view and that we may also be seeing 3 players leave our already small squad, I would say that signing 5 players would be about right – maybe greedy, I would accept it if we signed 3 or 4.

    My point is that the reasons behind those signings can be two-fold, or even three-fold, so no you are not right.

  • 72 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Lilo

    I agree with your last post.

    I think there are 2 big questions I’d like to see answered in the next fans forum:
    1 – what is the status on the cat 1 academy? What are we actually waiting for?
    2 – what is the justification for the SD advertising around the ground? What is their official connection with NUFC?

  • 73 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Ciaran,
    You say TDS was being pedantic, but I disagree. You did say buying to replace, now in my opinion we need a centre half and at least 1 striker in Jan.

    But if Colo/Cabaye/Remy/Shola leave in the summer then I also think we would need to recruit a player in each of those roles as well.

    So, for me, replacing early and strengthening are separate in this instance.

  • 74 martoon // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Ciaran @56 – I think we all know JFK does not actually write the notes but I’m sure they are based on his thoughts but tarted up by an editor. Nothing wrong with that do you think Cheryl Cole actually knows how to write music, base lines, chord sequences etc. No she makes up a basic melody which is tarted up by a music expert – not corrupt just a fact of life.

  • 75 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    It does not take a genius to determine SD’s ‘official connection with NUFC’?

    Please tell me you are not actually that thick?

  • 76 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Lilo

    Colo is away (or should be if the club has any sense)
    Shola is away (or should be)
    Remy looks increasingly like to be away.
    Cabaye may leave.

    So in this instance signing early replacements for these players is not ridiculous.

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Ciaran

    “already small squad”??? I’ve called you out on this stupid statement numerous times and asked you a simple question:

    Player for player, can you show me one squad that is better outside of the obvious top 7?

    And the answer is: No, you can’t.

  • 78 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    It would make sense to do that.
    Then they can be eased into the EPL over the second half of the season and be ready for a full-preseason.
    (I’m guessing we won’t be buying five WC stars.)

    Far too sensible for that to happen then.
    Guess we’ll be planning our preseason sometime in June instead of over the next few months.
    Lots of things at this club just don’t get done properly.

  • 79 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    TDS

    Eurgh that old chestnut again. You want me to go through every PL squad to prove a point? No thanks. I assess our squad and yes it is small.

  • 80 SupaToonKid // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    I was just catching up on all the stories on the blog and I was reading through the comments on the Konstantinos Mitroglou link.

    TADS, you can’t rubbish every player in the Greek league. Where was Kevin Mirallas at before he joined Everton… ah yes Olympiacos. Are Olympiacos not in the Last 16 of the Champions League after getting through a group with Benfica (yeah that team who knocked us out of the Europa League last year). So sssshhhhh!

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Lilo

    Agree with your post 73 completely. I’m glad someone grasps what I have been saying.

  • 82 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    SupaToonKid

    The Greek league, by and large, is atrocious. 1 player, nor 1 team, can make up for that.

  • 83 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    TDS,
    As I have said in the past, the academy i one of my biggest gripes with Ashley. Since he took over we were told that is where the focus would be placed for future players, and to fail to achieve Cat 11 status at the first ask is embarrassing.

    I also don’t think we have seen sufficient progression of youngsters to match the bold statements made when outlining the ’5 year plan’.

    As for the advertising, it seems at odds with the reported attempts to maximise revenue given a lot of the boards advertise Ashley companies which are owned by him, or he is majority shareholder in.

    However, I think the best answer we are going to get is the one we got last time, which I don’t believe for a second, that they are only used until someone else wants to buy them.

  • 84 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    … and Zola resigns from Watford.

  • 85 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Hatem’s better than Messi

    As Lilo says, planning is one thing, signing them is entirely another!

    We could really do with a replacement for Shola in Jan, not in the summer. And we don’t know who else will leave so we’re hardly going to sign players to put on the bench or use as backup for the rest of the season.

    As it stands, we can still command big money for Cabaye if he wants to go. If we sign his replacement then everyone will know what we have to sell him.

  • 86 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    “Player for player, can you show me one squad that is better outside of the obvious top 7?

    And the answer is: No, you can’t.”

    Nope you are probably right.
    You seem to be okay with that, some of us hate the lack of ambition and no club statement of intent.
    That’s why I criticise.
    Call me whatever you want I’m not accepting 8th place as being our “natural” place in this league for the foreseeable future.

    Get rid of the “free” ads. Sell the space. Add 20-30m to our commercial budget a year, then let us compete fairly and we can balance the books.

    Then we can challenge for Europe.
    Ashley’s SD is commercial dead weight we don’t need.

  • 87 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Ciaran,
    We don’t know if Colo is away, there was an article on here earlier talking about him wanting to see out his contract (didn’t read it, so know idea what it is based on. If we got a centre half in Jan, I would want a strong commanding centre half. That isn’t a Colo replacement, that is either upgrading Willo or Saylor. Then in the summer we strengthen/replace if Colo does leave.

    I think we need at least 1 striker, I would prefer 2 in Jan a upgrade on Shola, and A.N Other. But I will accept if we then go and get a second in the Summer, either Remy, or a replacement for him. Campbell, if he goes on loan may step into the Shola slot in the squad next year.

    Cabaye, ifs and buts, if he has a good World Cup then he will probably be off for a very high figure, if he doesn’t then chances are a club won’t match Ashley’s valuation.

    HBA is more likely to be on his way in my opinion.

  • 88 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    TDS

    It’s not like it hasn’t been done before!
    We can sign five players in January, you have to want to do that that’s the problem.

    Bring in two young CB’s this window. Ideally they’ll be just breaking into their international squads.
    Let then challenge Willo, Colo and Saylor over the next five months.
    Then in June asses which of the seniors can go in the summer window.

    Far too sensible. lol

  • 89 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Lilo

    Pretty neat assessment. Signing a dominant centre half would indeed be upgrading Willo/Saylor, but we already have Colo’s replacement in M’biwa so I don’t think we will sign a dominant centre half and then another if we sell Colo. I think we will get 1 in and that will be our lot.

    We should sell Colo in the summer because I don’t think his head is in it and he will only decline physically. He has another 3 years (I think, maybe 2 1/2) on his contract, so I would be surprised if he is willing to see that out.

    I fear we will upgrade Shola with Gomis and in my eyes that is not good enough. Like you, I am willing to wait for Remy’s replacement in the summer, but it would have to be early summer so he can gel with the team.

    I am more certain that Cabaye will be off in the summer, but stranger things have happened. I would not be surprised if we sold HBA but I think Ashley will command a fee that no one in the right mind would pay.

  • 90 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    I posted last week about the worrying lack of Academy recruits making significant in roads on to the first team. It may be slightly to early in the planning, but I do wonder if the Coaching staff are up to the standards necessary?
    They are all ex-pros without any experience of the modern European competitions. The latest news on AVB does not support my hypothesis but using the improvement that Faye Downey has produced, would it not be wise to look beyond the usual remit for coaching staff?

  • 91 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Has anyone found out yet if the profits from the club shops and website go to NUFC or SD.

    There was a suggestion that SD operated them now. Well at least the shop & online clothing sales.

    That would suck.

    A strange nearly 1M payment from NUFC to SD too.
    Do they sell us and profit from us, all the team kits and training gear, coaches coats etc?

  • 92 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Hatem

    Time4Change posed that question to the club, as of yet the club have not responded. However, I read that T4C were willing to see what questions were put to the club via the Fans Forum before they sought clarification on any questions.

  • 93 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    There’s serious talk of Saylor going out on loan to Man Utd. He’d be a good signing for them.

    I wonder if Kagawa would be allowed to leave on loan. I’d take Valencia for £10m.

  • 94 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Ciaran,
    I would be happy to allow Colo to go in the Summer, and I agree that MYM is his long term successor. I think that we would bring another in to replace Colo, even if we bring a commanding centre half in Jan. Although, I would also say that depending on how some of the youngsters progress it would not surprise me to see one of them move into the first team pool if Colo left.

    I agree on Gomis, the lad has never impressed me anytime I have watched him. If the option was him now, or someone better definitely signed in the summer then I’d take the latter. I also have reservations on Finnbogg…however it is spelled, and Mitroglu. Wouldn’t want either at the fees being quoted (or at any fee really).

    I say HBA as this summer he will have one year left on his contract. I personally think that his opinion of his ability (remember his balon d’Or comments) and his standing in our squad as currently a bit part player, would mean that when contract talks begin, they will be way apart when it comes to wages. So I think any serious bidder could get him this summer.

    Cabaye will go if the money is right for Ashley, but we have another year until we start to run the risk of losing him on a free.

  • 95 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Hatem’s better than Messi

    The ads are 100% not worth £20-30 million a year, that’s a gross exaggeration. The last figures I saw our commercial revenue was more than Everton’s, Aston Villa’s and every other club outside of the top 6. That seems about right based on our current state doesn’t it? CL teams are bound to get more sponsors and higher value ones too.

    Consider that Chelsea, City and Man Utd are super-rich (and Man Utd are huge) and Liverpool and Arsenal are very rich and very big clubs (especially Liverpool). Everything points to those clubs finishing above us every season but thankfully football isn’t quite that predictable.

    Everton, Spurs, us and Villa are also big clubs but only Spurs appear to have been capitalising on that in terms of revenue and only Spurs and Everton have had a period of regular success and progression.

    We should be mixing it up with Everton and Spurs but look at how they did it – it takes years of gradual progression to get there. Relegation set us back a long way so either we can whinge and whine about the situation or we can get behind the team and see our squad improving year upon year.

  • 96 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    I would wait until the summer and purchase Cheikhou Kouyaté at CD, for that we need to be in a European spot. It would be sensible (and more realistic) to get one or two recruits that have had experience in European competitions and at least match the quality of existing players or are reasonably young enough to improve further.

    However we (as fans) can do nothing but wait and see.

  • 97 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Hatem’s better than Messi

    Sign 5 players in January and then drop which players out of the 25?

    It doesn’t make any sense at all. We don’t have a thin squad, whatever some people say, we have a decent squad for where we are.

    It needs to be a gradual progression. Pick up players when we get a good deal and move on the fringe players.

    We know the club doesn’t make a huge profit but we also know that we’ve got an extra £30M or so coming in the summer so we should invest it wisely.

  • 98 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    70Two,
    At the academy level, and younger not many of the coaches are ex pros. If you dig a little deeper to the U15/U16′s then you will find we have 2 of 14 coaches worldwide to have achieved an elite coaching qualification. It is the U18 and Development which is where we fail in my eyes. That is where we have some poor quality in coaching – we have, collectively the lowest qualified coaching staff in the Premier League at senior level. We also have one of the smallest which does impact on the prior statement, but it is a serious question that should be looked at by the powers that be.

  • 99 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Lilo

    Now there is an interesting post. Thanks for the insight. Hopefully this is an area they are going to focus on. Would seem pretty important wouldn’t it!?

  • 100 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    See which of the five are at EPL level and if they are already better or are on the same level with greater potential … then move someone on.

  • 101 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    So we are going to go into growing our own trees so we can sell planks for a hefty profit? :)

    Yep, that was definitely printed out for JFK By our NufcSpin department.

    On the other hand, if I am being less cynical, it does seem to be a trend, albeit a turgid one, of lumbering toward a top academy status. Whatever the motive for Mike (harvesting youngsters for bigger clubs for fun and profit, ok just profit), if they are actually investing in this big time, there can’t be much to grumble about except the speed of the whole project.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    TDS,
    It is quite a concern, especially if the club are serious about developing our own talent. From some of the utterances over the summer, I thought we were looking into that, although only Faye Downe came on board (and JK, couldn’t forget him!).

    I can only assume that we will be looking at this, I heard a rumour that Stone and one of our Academy coaches have embarked upon a new coaching quaification, so maybe that is how we will improve it rather than appointing new coaches.

  • 103 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    As an ex-pat magpie.

    Do many people wander around the city-centre with Wonga shirts on?
    I haven’t bought anything since KK was sacked but I used to buy lots of clothing.
    I just wondered what the Wonga shirt sales had been like?

  • 104 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    HBTM, there were lots wearing Wonga tops on the time4change march.

  • 105 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie @98

    Thanks for the clarification, I was hoping someone might offer some further information. From what you have said it does seem to put the new Academy ‘blue print’ in to further question, but hopefully they starting the improvement from the earliest ages and working up? Would the slow progress be a legacy of Llambias?

  • 106 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Having said all that it’ll be 2-4 years before we any of this crop come through. So far it’s been a bit dire right up to reserve level. In the meantime, the club still needs to focus on this season for the first team.

    There’s still a way to go,vand we could just as easily slide down as climb, but we will only attract quality players ( and keep our itchy-footed ones) if we get into Europe next year. It’s still possible we could get a CL place, don’t laugh – its been a bizarre league for the last 3 seasons and this year the quirky results show anyone can be favourite for those spots. If we could get 2 decent players in Jan we might surprise ourselves.

    Trying to be positive here :)

  • 107 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Lilo

    To be fair, qualifications aren’t the only indication of the quality of coaching, but it would make sense to have some of them qualified. We’ve gone for several coaches with experience of the club and the region which makes sense but they need to have the skills to take our young players to the next level too.

  • 108 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    We need at least 3 players signed in jan. 1 cb, 1 striker and 1 playmaker.

  • 109 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    When we sign a playmaker, Gouffran can revert back to his preferred position. Gouffran will then be our fourth choice striker behind Remy, Cisse and Gomis.

  • 110 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Kets only 2 Kets we can always bring Abeid back.

  • 111 Mister Tuff // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Well with just over a fortnight to go until the January 2014 window opens – the issues that will interest me are as follows:-
    1. Percy has said we are looking at bringing in one or two players.
    2. JFK says we have no money.
    3. Does this mean we will have to sell to fund the purchases.
    4. The club say new players will have to improve what we already have (I cannot see for example that if we sell Cabs -his replacement(s) will be better.)
    5. Will the club make “token purchase(s)” so it looks as if JFK is doing his job.
    6. Percy has said he has a preference for English players and that a potential summer
    signing has been scouted 15 times – who the hell can that be?
    7. It appears Remy’s bail has been extended yet again until February -ie after the window closes – this would suggest absolutely no movement for his signature in January.

  • 112 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    It would pay to have a newly-qualified senior squad coach who was perhaps rotated every two-years.
    Lots of clubs already do it with deputies/assistants.

    It would keep ideas fresh, up to date and would increase the pool of possible managers of the future with club connections.

    Making it easier to get rid of Pardew … lol so we should get two of them at a time!

  • 113 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    SupaToon
    Wow what a well thought out response
    One player and a last 16 makes the Greek league a top top league your right
    I’m very aware of who they beat so let’s apply your logic to the CL, Bayern won CL, Citeh beat Bayern so Citeh to win the CL?

  • 114 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Sammy and Tav will need to break through this season or not at all I think. I also wonder if Dummett can prove to be good enough at this level or if he’ll be another Ramage level player.

    As for Campbell, Streete, Armstrong, Alnwich etc., they still have time at least.

  • 115 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Tequila @110 – and don’t always crank Marveaux back into the team…….

    :D

  • 116 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Alnwick…

  • 117 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Tsnki, true very true, that means we only need one. There is a CH I cant remember his name Toby somebody

  • 118 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Hatem

    They say that they are the best selling shirts ever, but really I only ever see a few of them about. On match day it is usually the older shirts I see in huge numbers.

  • 119 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Tequila

    There were not lots wearing Wonga tops on the T4C march. I was there.

  • 120 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    If the intention is to play squad players in the Cup matches, the Cardif game is going to be tough one for Sammy and Dummett.

  • 121 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    So for those running Newcastle the world is not bigger than the North East?

    …only when it comes to the first team then France is considered part og that region ;-) lol

    Maybe that is why we are royal warrants of talents for the English Nationalside?

  • 122 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    I think Gouffran’s favourite position is CF.
    His reaction speed is incredible. He certainly creates chances when he’s around the box. His finishing is improving, certainly rotating Remy and Gouffran during games makes sense.

  • 123 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    I have a very narrow perspective and on the T4C march there were only white shirts.

  • 124 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    TDS,
    I don’ see Sammy, Tav, or Ferg making it. I have very large reservations about Dummet still. Surely people on here remember the quick rise of Paul Huntington and David Edgar, and the even quicker demise of both despite being lauded for their early performances.

    On qualifications, that is a fair point. I would happily keep Carver in the coaching staff for his club knowledge his links with the past, and his pride and passion in the club/local area. Although I think the only reason Carver returned was to calm the fans following Pardew’s appointment. Carver brought with him a link to Sir Bobby which placated fans somewhat.

    I’d swiftly wave farewell to Stone, Beardsley, Watson and Richardson and replace them with more progressive and modern coaches, who focus on technical expertise and tactical plays to improve the players. The physical aspect will come for most in time, the technical is far harder to develop in players.

  • 125 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    70Two,
    I don’t think Llambias can be blamed. The finance may not have been there. Any Cat 1 status academy must have an operating budget of £2.5million per year. Maybe that is what held us back??

    When the Wonga deal was done they were reported to be putting in a large sum of cash annually into the youth development, so maybe they will be funding the academy to ensure Cat 1 at the next evaluation?

  • 126 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Lilo Tav has been getting good reviews on loan but he always does, the few times he turned out for us last season he looked very poor. I think the question we need to ask is if they were not our players already would we want to sign them ? For the most part the answer is probably no.
    Sammi has done ok in brief cameos this season but does not look like he will be challenging a first team place anytime soon.

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Those running Newcastle are a bunch of wankers :-)

    …no arguing in that lol

  • 128 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Campbell, Vukic, Tavernier….they are just not going to make it. for now we need to continue buying astutely (cheap).

  • 129 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Dummett and perhaps Fergie are the only two of our current youngsters that have been involved with the 1st team that have any hope of making it at PL level imo.

    Sammy, Vuckic and Tav are simply not good enough and need to move on

  • 130 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Most of those young players you guys talk about shouldn’t not even be in our team…they should be out on loan!

    …I cannot see any of them taking that big step mainly because of how we bring tallent though!

  • 131 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Tequila,
    I think League 1 is going to be Tav’s level.

    Tsunki,
    HArsh on Campbell. How many times have you watched him play? The kid is 18 years old, far too early to write him off. Get him to St Mirren, who have said they hope to have him tied up by Jan 1st, and see what he does up there.

  • 132 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Lilo @ 134 – last paragraph spot on. Long overdue overhaul in coaching to kick start the investment. If we keep these guys we will continue to stick in the mud imo.

    We need fresh technical ideas, the Premier League has its own methods of toughening players up, just ask some of our French lads.

  • 133 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    JB,
    Fergie is struggling to even make the bench a lot of the time now at Birmingham. He has no hope here any more. A deal should have been cut in the summer part ex for Redmond, but hey ho.

  • 134 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    I was told that Fergie has been struggling with injury though

  • 135 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Tsunki…your post was # 131 so are we reading the future now ;-) lol

  • 136 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    To be fair it’s a big ask for any youngster to challenge a first team spot.

    They have to be as good as Santon or Debuchy for example. Both cost decent fees. Then another FB Haidara was bought for somewhere around 2M.
    Tough for any local lad to realistically get any sort of time on the pitch.

    Better to send your kid to a club with a good reputation for bringing players on. Like Burnley and Crewe used to be. There are so few transfers from lower leagues now I don’t know if Burnley and Crewe still produce “players”.
    Big clubs suck for most kids.

  • 137 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Lilo – I have seen very little of him which tells me quite a bit. He wasn’t looked at seriously when we had a dire selection of strikers and for me, loaning players to lower league outfits and, as you say, st mirren who with all due respect hover between champs and L1, is merely shop window.

    Any serious players would be brought up to speed in Premier league sides or top champs ones

  • 138 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    my advice when it comes to young Newcastle players

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

  • 139 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Jesper

    Thats the biggest issue with the entire youth set, our best youngsters should be out on loan as early as possible to get the experience needed, instead they languish in the reserves learning next to nothing, they need competitive football, something to fight for and not meaningless reserve games

  • 140 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Jasper no stay calm I will indicate when I turn on the blog time machine. It was 124.

    Great Scott!

  • 141 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Forgot about young Biggie, thats one of our youngsters I have very high hopes for as when he has come into the first team he has more than held his own

  • 142 wolfshead@toon // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    i thought berbs @2mill was virtually a done deal :-)

  • 143 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Tsunki,
    Exactly, lots of foreign players come here and need to adapt to the physicality. Some have the technical ability that their skills mean they bypass it altogether.

    You can hit the gym and develop physically once you have mastered the technique and touch required to play with and against top class players.

  • 144 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Now Bigi there’s a forgotten one. Hour got limped in a one of the youngsters who Pards said couldn’t quite cut it when called on, or words to that effect. Shame I thought he was one of the better prospects, thought he would be making the bench by now. Stood in well for Tiote quite a few times when he was off the boil.

  • 145 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Hour got limped? Tsk Tsk – he got lumped!

  • 146 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    JB,
    He stopped being a regular first choice a while ago, slipped to regular sub, then on the bench but doesn’t get on to now not even in the squad some of the time. To me it says he just isn’t cutting the mustard.

    Tsunki,
    Hardly any youngsters, go on loan to Prem clubs. Ross Barkley was on loan at Sheff Wed last season as a 19 year old – a struggling Championship side. Some of the Man Ukids get Prem loans as they come from Man U. Most go to Championship though still, same with Chelsea, Lukaku, who they paid 16million (or thereabouts) for went to Prem, but others lesser leagues.

    He was 17 when we had a dire selection of strikers, hardly an age to throw him in the deep end.

  • 147 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    To loan out young players to Championship clubs you need a Director of Football who has a generated a positive relationship with every manager throughout the league. Is the lack of playing opportunities elsewhere a fare reflection of an unsuccessful incumbant?

  • 148 Ben3arfa // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    its absolutely ludicrous how we leave our youngsters at the club languishing instead of loaning them out to get experience. inept management there

    on another note Jeremy Menez is available for about 3m from PSG. what a player he is

  • 149 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Difficult for Bigi given Tiote’s return to form, Cabaye, Anita and Sissoko all ahead of him in that role.

    He has played a number of games for the U21′s as a centre half, he has done reasonably there by all accounts, all though it is a far cry from competitive football.

  • 150 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Ben3arfa to be fair we currently have 8 players out on loan.

  • 151 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    NUFC has a history of being completely inept at loaning out players, so this is one thing we cannot really blame on Kinnear personally.

    However, with proper management of our younger players, and a steadfast commitment to bringing through the finest young players possible (which is something Ashley has said he wanted to do) we would see many of our young players already out on loan.

    Last Wednesday I was in North Shields watching N.Shields take on our U 21s in the Northumberland Cup. Bigirimana and Campbell stood out, but of course they would! Instead of getting SPL or Championship football, our young prospects are playing part timers in a non-league setting. That is why they will probably not make it unless something changes soon.

  • 152 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Biggie is now well down the list ans should be out on loan, instead he’s become the forgotten man

  • 153 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    @150 see 149

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  • 155 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    I think Bigi has said he did not want to go on loan and Campbell is being lined up with St Mirren who did a good job with Dummet and currently have Newton.

  • 156 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Tequila

    We actually have 7 players out on loan.

    None of the players out on loan can actually be classed ‘youngsters’ any more given that they are all over 21. Amalfitano is 24, Gosling is 23, Tavernier is 22 as is Ferguson and Conor Newton while Richardson is 21.

    Who out of that list seems likely to affect our 1st team next season?

  • 157 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    70Two,
    It could possibly be that, or we could be making demands of the club that their hierachy doesn’t feel best serves them, must play, must occupy a certain role etc.

    I still stand by that Dario Gradi would have been a superb appointment as DoF in the Summer rather than JK, and I feel he would give us a huge boost when it comes to players development and methods of developing. Would not have cost the earth to get either.

    Hatems better than Messi,
    Yes, Crewe are still producing very good youngsters. Clayton will be the next top one to depart.

  • 158 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Ciaran,
    It is 8. The 6 you mention plus Vuckic and Abeid. It may be 9, I’m not sure whether Mitchell is still with Workington Reds on loan. He was earlier in the season, but it was an odd arrangement that he played for them, but if he was required at U21 level he was to play for our U21′s.

  • 159 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Amalfitano and Gosling and Abeid are out on loan with a view to moving them on . I have already stated on the thread that I don`t think any of our young players are likely to make it at PL level. You forgot Mitchell who is also on loan.
    Bigi still has a chance as does Dummet and Sammi .

  • 160 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Lilo

    Well according to transfermarkt it is 7, but if I am wrong then mea culpa.

  • 161 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Lilo Dario Gradi has been fantastic at bringing on young talent but I believe he is in his 70s now

  • 162 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Ciaran,
    Transfrmarket have it wrong, Vuckic went to Rotherham with Tav, and Abeid is at Panathanaikos. Again, unsure on Mitchell.

    Either way, your point about the players out on loan not really being developed for our first team still stands. Vuckic still has a possibility of doing it, for me the others won’t.

  • 163 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Getting the youth set up so it feeds the first team is one of the most difficult things to do at this level, if it wasn’t then everyone would be doing it instead of spending stupid amounts of money in order to achieve anything

  • 164 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    Tequila,
    Yeah, he is old, but our current incumbent is no spring chicken and has a dodgy ticker. Gradi still works as head of youth development and is still involved in the day to day coaching.

  • 165 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Lilo

    Vuckic won’t make it in my view, at least not with us. I think he needs to leave, ply his trade at a lower level as a starter and see if he can improve. Ferguson won’t make it as all he has is pace. Not defensively sound or strong enough to be a LB, nor is he skilful enough to play LW.

    Abeid has talent but I think it must be an attitude thing as he has never come close to our 1st team and was farmed out far far away this season.

    Bigi, Campbell, Streete and Armstrong are the only lads at the club who I think will make it, and Armstrong and Streete are still years and years away from being close.

  • 166 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Lilo fair point, age is not the biggest issue for me as to why JFK should not be employed . There are a whole heap of reasons why he should not be anywhere near our club.

  • 167 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    lilongwe geordie have thought your comments over a period have been informative however at 63 we are playing in a cat 1 league,to be vulnerable to someone being cherry picked to a cat 1 they would need to want to go .can you give me any evidence of any youngster going to a bigger club i cant remember any in the 56 years i have been supporting the club,can you prove they would progress better at a cat 1 club.at 94 have watched gomis the last 2 weekends he scored both games played well but missed a chance to wrap up the game against marseille. finbogosson i certainly like better than bent or ld jong but who really knows who they will try to sign apart from the club.

  • 168 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    JB,
    True, but Southampton have a number of youngsters coming through, and have sold others. If you can supplement your purchases with even one player a year breaking through then it can be considered a success and a worthwhile excercise.

    If, like the Saints, you can have 4 from your academy on the verge of going to a World Cup with England, and one as the world’s most expensive player then you would be pretty happy. Not to mention the near £40million income from Walcott, the Ox and Bale for the club. With Shaw, Lallana, Ward Prowse, Chambers all in and around the first team.

  • 169 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Vuckic got a good review from the Rotherham manager though he did say he was knackered after 60 mins which is a bit of a worry.

  • 170 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Lilo – so how old is Campbell now we have a loan striker and Shola?

  • 171 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Vuckic is playing well in League One? I should hope so.

  • 172 DokToon // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    if we didnt have JFK to laugh about, who would we look to for a laugh? ciaran??? i kid, i kid…

  • 173 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Dok

    I always get the last laugh buddy ;)

  • 174 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Ciaran, your point is?

  • 175 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    About Vuckic? Absolutely pointless loaning him to League One, as it is beneath the standard he should be playing at. He is learning little to nothing there, and will come back having acquired nothing other than match fitness which he should have anyway. It won’t put him in a better position to help the squad so any good performances in the third tier of English football are to be expected. If anything I would see it as more of a positive if he managed to play 90 mins for 10 games in a row.

  • 176 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    1949BH,
    I am not saying that it would happen, but one of the advantages of being a Cat 1 status is being able to pick up players from lower level academies at reduced prices. There is no real evidence to say they will progress better, but it is what is expected by the EPPP (Elite Player Performance Plan) as Cat 1 academies have an increased amount of contact time with young players, which in theory should translate into more opportunity to hone their skills.

    As I said, there is no fact based evidence, but it is the supposition set out by the EPPP.

    On Gomis, he can score goals, but he does not have the consistency or the all round play to really make an impact for us in the Premier league. Seen a fair bit of him over the last 3/4 years, and he just doesn’t impress me on a regular basis for me to want him.

    Finnboggossan I will put in with the numerous other prolific goalscorers to leave the Dutch league and find out that it isn’t as easy elsewhere. I haven’t seen much of him, so I may be doing the lad a disservice, but I wrote an article on Bony in the Summer talking about the goalscorers from the Dutch league to succeed in England. The successes are outweighed by failures at about 10 to 1 in terms of recreating their goal scoring in England.

  • 177 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Gomis has scored 50 goals in 141 appearances in Ligue 1 for Lyon – hardly prolific. He’s a slightly younger, slightly better Shola.

  • 178 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Ciaran not many PL players get loaned to other PL teams. Lukaku., Sturridge but both were expensive players rather than prospects PL teams are unwilling to take a chance on young players as the stakes are too high. Beckham was loaned to Preston who Ithink were in third tier at the time.
    I have no idea whether Vuckic will make it, he clearly has talent but has also had very serious injuries.

  • 179 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Tsunki,
    He is 18. Are you saying we have a striker crisis now? We currently have Remy, Shola, Cisse and Goofy who can play up front. Remy is/was scoring and Shola is doing a good job for the team. In other games we only play 1. You think that rather than being on loan, he should be ahead of Remy, Cisse, Shola and Goofy?

    Again, Barkley did well at Sheff Wed in the first half of last season, went to Leeds for the second half and struggled for a game. He is 20 now, and less than 6 months ago struggled to get in the Leeds team, yet he is more than likely to go to the World Cup.

    My point here is let Campbell cut his teeth elsewhere, at a lower level to help him develop. If he is still struggling in 2/3 years then fine, but writing him off now is harsh on the lad.

  • 180 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Tequila

    The Championship is where he should be playing, or the SPL. He was loaned to Cardiff City for a spell last season and was doing well before getting injured – Again.

    So now he is at a third tier team suggests that he has regressed in ability/fitness, either way that seems to suggest he is going backwards as a player which is worrying considering that he was never really close to the first team anyway, aside from coming off the bench in a few games.

    He has talent yes, but his injuries have seemingly ruined what could have been a great career with us so now it is time to let go and move on.

  • 181 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    From what i have seen of Finnbogasson (youtube) he looks a clever player with a good finish on him, lots of cute chips and passes into the net, reminded me of Beardsley.
    Disclaimer -youtbe is no substitute for seeing a player in action over a number of games.

  • 182 bills-son // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Seems everybody bar Graham Carr reckons Gomis would be a poor signing.

    Mind, Graham Carr has seen him play.

  • 183 tequilamag // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Ciaran , I would not be so quick to write him off. He is out on loan now and fingers crossed will stay fit. Let`s see how he does. Like you said he was doing well with Cardiff.

  • 184 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Bills,
    Carr isn’t right everytime, Amalfitano being a very obvious balls up. Given we also have bid for a number of other strikers in the past year or 2, it would suggest Gomis wasn’t exactly high up the pecking order at full price, but now it is reduced he is all of a sudden the best option….

  • 185 wolfshead@toon // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    tequila

    redknapp scouted remy from his armchair watching ligue1 haha

  • 186 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Vitesse Arnheim central defender Jan-Arie van der Heijden is another prospect that has played in European competition. He brings the ball out, is out of contract 2015 and with the help of Chelsea loanees, will win the league.

  • 187 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Tequila

    But that was almost a year ago, and he has been plagued with injuries ever since he’s signed for us. He is missing out on crucial time to develop so for me he isn’t a viable option, but he could surprise me, but I won’t hold my breath.

  • 188 bills-son // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Lil,

    True, but Amaltifino was a free.

    And, it seems we were prepared to pay decent momey for Gomis in the summer so it makes sense to be interested at a fraction of the price.

  • 189 bills-son // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    Vuckic to me is the type of player who will look great in training but when the studs are flying he doesn’t cut it.

    That’s why playing in Lge 1 might be what he needs to make or break him in the eyes of Pards.

  • 190 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Bills,
    That doesn’t make it a good buy though. Just cause they are cheap, doesn’t make them a bargain. Amalfitano may have been free, but he pocketed wages and a signing on fee so still cost money.

    I have watched the player a number of times in the past, and he just isn’t good enough. A nickname of Go-Miss was given to him by fans of other clubs and the national team. Hardly a ringing endorsement. (Lyon fans did have a song saying “Gomis, he won’t miss” mind)

    As Ciaran says, a slight upgrade on Shola, but not much., not enough to warrant the 80k a week he reportedly demanded in the summer.

  • 191 bills-son // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Lil,

    I wasn’t saying he was good because he was cheap merely that Carr obviously rated him at the higher price and he’s now available for alot less.

    You’ve seen him play so your opinion at least comes from more than youtube.

    I’ve no idea whether he would be good or not but Carr’s record is pretty sound.

  • 192 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Bills,
    According to most things said by the club around signings, we watch them for a long period. Gomis was first linked with us when Keegan was here under Ashley, so I’d guess he has been under scrutiny since day one of Carr arriving. Even last summer we tried to force Lyon’s hand into a lower price than there value due to his contract being up.

    Now, my point is that if we really thought Gomis was the right player, and we aren’t just in for him as he is at a reduced price, why not bit when we went for De Jong 18 months ago? Or when Ba left? But instead we wait till his contract is nearly up. That to me would suggest that he is more convenience, rather than being number 1/2/3 on Carr’s scouted list.

    Those thoughts are obviously influenced by me having watching him, and thinking he doesn’t cut it, but I still think it is a point worth considering. I don’t think waiting till they are reduced in price is a bad idea, but signing them because they are reduced in price likely is.

  • 193 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    *Having watched

  • 194 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    I’ve never watched these youtube clips of moments of genius. I reckon if someone had recorded my finest moments on the football pitch and put them in one 3minute video I’d look like a cultured, goalscoring centre half/holding midfielder valued at around 3-5 million ! I imagine the same would go for many people on here who have played to a decent level.

  • 195 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I think we are in a situation where we can’t offload a few players that are surplus, and Ashley being Ashley, are reluctant to add numbers to the squad as a result.

    That, in addition to our existing attitude to transfers makes it very possible we won’t see too much activity in January. Guys like Marv, Obertan, Gos, Amalfitano, you might have trouble giving them away and that might well slow us down or even halt our progress. Ashley wants it lean, no real beef with that, but it must get a bit precarious when you’re trying to get those last few gooduns in, I imagine.

  • 196 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Interesting what the Cardiff owner says: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25409755

    Despite some people saying that nobody else would include add-ons and a portion of the wages when considering spend, it looks like the Cardiff owner does. Transfer fees of around £35M but he considers it a £15M overspend to £50M. I’m sure that includes first year of wages and also agents fees etc.

    We spent £7.3M in agents’ fees last year didn’t we?

    Does any of this convince anyone that getting all mouthy while pretending to be an amateur accountant is a bad idea?

  • 197 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    TDS

    Ssshhh you’re boring everyone now.

  • 198 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Also you are comparing how Ashley runs the club with a guy who changed the colour of their team’s kit and changed their nickname from Bluebirds to Dragons all in an attempt to be more marketable in Asia.

    Also, he sacked a well respected head of recruitment (I think) and hired a friend of his son to replace him.

    If Ashley is in the same boat as this mad b*****d then he clearly is doing something wrong.

  • 199 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    If I’m boring you Ciaran, would you kindly f off and not bother responding to me. Thanks.

  • 200 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    If I’m boring you Ciaran, would you kindly f**k off and not bother responding to me. Thanks.

  • 201 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    How can one ‘kindly f**k off’ out of interest?

  • 202 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    i think pardew made a mistake by playing obertan as sub when he could have played campbell . on vukick he has a good shot very good passer , but he is also slow,cumbersome describes him perfectly and is also poor in the air .

  • 203 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE

    Obertan has pace to burn. Against a tiring defence, he could really make things happen. Only…he doesn’t…

    It’s all good in hindsight but neither Campbell or Vuckic have proven themselves ready for PL first team football. Campbell even got sent back by a League One club this season when their striker came back from injury.

    I would rather have seen Sammy come on instead. At least he’s done some good things for us.

  • 204 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Well at least that dispelled the notion that Vincent Tan is a decent football club owner. Right folks, I will leave you to it.

  • 205 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Obertan is a sprinter not a footballer. If Fergie can’t get him playing then there’s little to no hope in Pardew being able to. He is the man we need to cut lose in Janaury

  • 206 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    TDS,
    Just to correct you, we took Campbell back, he wasn’t sent back. A minor point as we took him back because he wasn’t getting game time. Personally, I’d rather see Campbell given a run out, particularly if Obertan is just on to stretch defences. Campbell is fast and could easily do the same.

    Hopefully a deal can be struck with St Mirren and then he can cut his teeth at first team level.

  • 207 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Lilongwe

    Are St Mirren the right level for us to be sending our youngster to play?

    Think they’d be better suited in the Championship

  • 208 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    JB,
    Tough to say. Don’t get to watch much SPL out here. By all accounts St Mirren like to get the ball down and play football. If they can involve Campbell in that as well then great to have him developing in that style.

    Gives him an opportunity to test himself against both championship level sides in the main with a few games against players who have played Champions League.

    A decent blend for a kids first experience of first team football for me.

  • 209 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Lilo

    Ok. Thanks for the correction. Of course the point is that he was deemed not good enough to displace a League One striker…

    Campbell, Obertan, Sammy…personally I’d go for Sammy but don’t care as long as the player has some impact. The best Obertan can hope for is that his pace opens gaps for others to exploit…

  • 210 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Lilongwe

    I don’t see the SPL as being that competitive and think our players would be better suited in the Championship as they would have to fight that much harder which would be more beneficial for them long term

  • 211 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    Looks like Malky is going to be No6 judging by Tan’s comments – he’s already been undermined anyway. It’ll only take a few more losses and he’s a goner. Does it do any good changing managers ? There may be a ‘bounce’ when the new guy comes in but are there any stats showing that a constantly recycled managerial team really does any better over two or three seasons?

    Levy’s face yesterday was a real picture. AVB could have read that body language at 100 miles. But I still didn’t think he’d get the boot. IMO There were a lot of reasons why AVB needed more time and very few as to why he should have been kicked out. Judging from the merry go round this season what Ashley did last season in not sacking AP when he clearly had very good reason to do so was a very brave decision – but seems to have paid off in the short run.

    If you think that Jol, Clark, Poyet, PDC and Coyle have all been heavily promoted on here as better alternatives to Pardew then it looks like Mash did make the right decision.

    Ruddy and TDS
    Please, please do not interact. It does nothing for the blog whatsoever.

  • 212 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    just waiting to here what will be the latest non story from the chronicle group .after jk trying to sign shane ferguson 3 weeks after it was on a sunderland message board there was freedom of speech raised by mp about press by football clubs,then an article which has been denied about ncle chargeing papers for interviews.on my many trips to newcastle , without internet access i have bought the chronic and sometimes the journal .after reading articles such as they understand ncle may sign some one in jan if the price is right and another saying a youngster rs may move in jan as he has played approx 20 games since feb2012 but could not go out on loan earlier as he was injured how exiting is that.the group also had the article about biggi with a photo of anita so ihave decided not to buy in future with their anti ncle bias.

  • 213 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    I’d love to see Campbell go to St Mirren. It would just be helpful for him to play in a competitive environment with a good range of opponents in terms of skill and experience. Important that he plays regularly and we seem to have a good relationship with St Mirren.

    Would he get regular games in the Championship? If he would, why didn’t anyone come in for him? Probably because he couldn’t get a game for a League One club…

  • 214 Marty-Toon // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    The club is well run at the moment,our owner does some stupid things at times that miffs the most of us and the stupid Sports direct signage everywhere for free is pathetic but hopefully he will see one day that we’re close to being a top team and buy us a couple more top players to challenge.
    Look at what Spuds spent,Chelsea and City,Liverpool and Man U the same through the years yet we’re not far behind on points.
    We won’t have a squad like City have but two top players and replacements for anyone sold would put our name out there in Europe again.
    I for one don’t ever wanna see some oil tycoon buying us and trying to buy the league.
    Happy to be a top 6 club if we can continuously be one whilst maybe winning a cup and not going bust like some other clubs are close to doing

  • 215 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    TDS,
    Sammi wasn’t deemed good enough for Boro last year. Struggled to get a game after the first 9 appearances as he was ineffective. However, performing out on loan doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Barkley struggled to get game time for Leeds in the second half of last season, look at him now!

    At 17/18/19 it isn’t always how well you perform, it is what you take from the experience.

  • 216 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    yo-yo

    That was kinda my point…

  • 217 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    yo-yo

    Malky Mackay has the unfortunate pleasure of working for a complete and utter nut-case but has proven himself to be a decent PL manager and will have no trouble finding another job.

    Big Sam’s arse must be twitching at the moment as well

  • 218 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    tds the person who decided cambell wasnt good enough was sacked within 2 weeks by carlisle.

  • 219 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    JB,
    I agree the Championship is more competitive. That doesn’t always make it a better option though. I like the idea of his first taste of first team football offering him a wider range of opposition in terms of ability.

    In fairness, I wouldn’t mind him going to the Championship, but I don’t see the SPL as being a worse option. It is more about what he can learn. He will get chances in the SPL more regularly than at most Championship teams which would be a bonus.

  • 220 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    yo-yo

    And well said. There were plenty on here who wanted the likes of Jol, PDC, Poyet and Clarke instead of Pardew. Just as there were plenty complaining that we didn’t sign the likes of RvW, Bony, Osvaldo, Ruiz, Sessegnon, Carroll, Pieters and (shockingly) several Sunderland players!

  • 221 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    there you go again writing off players that some of us wanted simply because they haven’t set the league alight instantly

  • 222 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Big Sam’s arse will be twitching even more if Malky gets the chop. I’d make Malky favourite even now to replace Sam.

  • 223 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    TDS

    Then resist.

    As for the Buddies – the SPL isn’t really that competitive but it is still a good learning environment. You’ve only got to look at Ryan Gauld to see that…

  • 224 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Lilo

    Completely agree. Which I suppose is why us football fans are absolute rank amateurs when it comes to predicting the success (or otherwise) of a young player. I remember a Watford fan friend insisting that Gifton Noel-Williams would play for England one day! Similarly NUFC fans will have said the same about Chopra, Campbell, Armstrong and others.

    Sure, it’s nice seeing these young players show some talent, but it’s up to the club to bring them through. Bit of a concern what you said earlier about the coaching. Hopefully we can have another break-through soon. Last one was Carroll I think.

  • 225 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    TDS

    I think you’ll find that Osvaldo is doing OK for this being his first season in PL football. Not setting the world alight but he is a very good player.

    Sessegnon is largely 1 Mackem that a lot of Newcastle fans would admit is very talented.

    We have been blessed with the goals that Shola and Cisse have been smashing in so you are right, we are so lucky we didn’t sign Bony or RvW…

  • 226 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    JB

    I’m not writing them off. But be honest, if we’d signed one or two of them and they hadn’t performed, you know there would be plenty of fans saying that JFK needed to go because he had signed players and they had failed.

    We’ve already got one misfiring striker on the bench, what would be the point in having a second one there too?

  • 227 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    JB

    Yeh I’ve ot a lot of time for Malky but I do wonder what will happen to the Bluebirds longer term. If Tan loses interest f’r instance

  • 228 toonbrother // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    pardews idiocy knows no bounds. We didnt win because we conceded a cheap goal. His mantra when looking for someone to scapegoat for bad results can be summed up with the letters “ABC.” Anyone but Coloshitty.

    Before he tinkered with our defence we had shut out free scoring chelsea as well as spurs away. After he reinstated coloshitty we”ve conceded 6 in 5 games..

    What an imbecile pardumb is

  • 229 Ciaran // Dec 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    I really am gone this time, early start.

  • 230 SupaToonKid // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Ciaran

    (sorry for the delayed response) I said the Greek League wasn’t up to much however I said you can’t rubbish a player just because he plays in it. There are good players there, who would make the grade in top divisions.

  • 231 bills-son // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    TDS,

    I’d take yo yo’s advice and totally ignore Ruddy. That’s what I’m doing from now on.

    He is an arrogant know it all even by his own admission. And I totally agree with him.

  • 232 santonthenewmaldini // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    St Mirren play football the right way there is no reason why cant be the first port of call for our youngsters and if they do well then get loaned to the championship for the 2nd season and then after that should have 2 seasons playing and be ready to step into the squad

    As for Scotland not being competitive enough well St Mirren are the only team in black and white stripes with geordies playing for them to have won a trophy in 2 million years!!

    On Vuckic I think we have to persevere with him for at least another 2 or 3 years his touch and left foot could be magic only have to look at Van Persie at a young age he hardly played in 7 seasons for Arsenal and then came good once they figured out his injury problems Arsenal got 2 good seasons out of him and sold for a massive profit he was not much better than Vuckic when he was first on the scene

  • 233 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE

    Ha! I didn’t know that. Shame the new man didn’t have him straight back then.

    It would be nice to see some more of these young lads doing well. It’s actually quite interesting following the players that are out on loan. I think Tav scored last week didn’t he? :-)

  • 234 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    No they wouldn’t mate as RvW and Bony have the record to show that they are top quality players and simply need time to settle the same way that Colo and Jose needed time to settle.

    And every single fan would have been happy that Mr. Ashley was showing some form of ambition

  • 235 SupaToonKid // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    TADS

    I merely used it as an example. You said all the players were rubbish in the Greek league. That’s a very ignorant statement to make. Obviously it’s not a very strong league but there are good players in it, who have potential to play in the top divisions of Europe.

  • 236 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    yo-yo

    I’m with you on Malky, he’s a good manager and comes across very well and what Tan maybe doesn’t realise yet is that if he does sack him the list of managers willing to work for that nutter will be very, very short

  • 237 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    TDS,
    Barkley was always going to make it, despite his time at Leeds, but I think most within the game have known that for the best part of 5 years.

    Campbell is better than Chopra was, but it is about what the club does for them over the next few years. I think we are attempting to make progress on this front, but it is ponderous at best.

    We have a lot more talent then people mention on here, but Campbell, Armstrong and Streete get all the mentions. I think Satka is probably ahead of Streete at the minute. Gillihead looks good, and there are probably 10-15 other internationals between 15 and 18 at the club.

    You mention Carroll, I did several of the scout reports sent to Preston before they took him on loan. He then managed to score no goals and get one red card while there…..

  • 238 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    bills-son

    I intend to. Problem is, when he’s in one of his moods, he posts so often and argues with almost everyone that he just takes over the blog. Then he chases a few away and we’re left with Ruddy arguing with 2 or 3 people and the odd person making a different post.

    It’s one reason I’d love a block option. I’d love to just hide a few people.

  • 239 tarie4 // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    i seem to remember an interview with Carr clearly stating from day one that Ami wasnt ready for the pl, but was one for the future (something like that) so u can hardly scrutinize him for that one really..

  • 240 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Ruddy

    I think the point was best made by Pardew that there is little point signing players of similar calibre to the ones we already have in the squad and and he wasn’t for players for the sake of it. As it happens Gouffy with 6 goals is looking better value than any on the TDS list – though my original point was about the managerial merry go round. It was/is unconventional for an owner to stay with a manager who wasn’t delivering. Even with a 50% plus win rate like AVB at Spuds. All I can think of was that Ashley does want stability and incremental improvement and though I’m far from convinced by him – Pardew has shown himself to be a slightly better bet than my list of managers

  • 241 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    JB

    Decent players in another league but that doesn’t guarantee success in the PL. I’d say that Cisse had a better record than both considering the leagues they played in. I totally agree that it takes time for some players to settle but some players never settle. We’d have had a valuation for the likes of RvW and Bony and the eventual fees were higher than those.

    I hope we’ve kept our powder dry for a Jan signing or two…

  • 242 pottsclock // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Isn’t Carroll effectively on loan until West Ham go down at the end of the season and we buy him back for £5m as Shola’s replacement ?
    Wasn’t that always the master plan?

  • 243 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Tarie4,
    One for the future? The kid is 24/25 now, and on loan in the French 2nd division. Not exactly pulling up trees there either by all accounts.

    It isn’t having a go at Carr to say he got one wrong, everyone makes mistakes and gets the odd thing wrong, it is only human. Point is, just cause Carr rates someone, doesn’t make this player an automatic success.

  • 244 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    I’d still take both of them as right now we have one striker who’s lost all form, one who will be leaving in the summer and one who can’t finish a full game.

  • 245 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Krul
    Debuchy Coloccini ???? Santon
    Cabaye Tiote/Sissoko
    DOUMBIA Ben Arfa Gouffran
    Remy

    All I can say is PLEASE!?

  • 246 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Lilo

    Interesting that you say Campbell is better than Chopra was then. Chopra would probably have had a few more seasons in the PL if he hadn’t succumbed to his personal issues. And he moved for 5 or 6 million too I think.

    Interesting what you say about Carroll, especially considering how he really broke through when we were in the championship.

    As I’ve been saying, every young player is different. Some benefit from loans at different stages of their career, others are better served staying back for fitness training and getting a few first team games.

  • 247 Thump // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    @pottsclock: Ah, but who would cross the ball for the big lad?

  • 248 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    JB

    The thing is Cisse had a pretty good rate but is on a timeout – RvW and Bony both have pretty good pedigrees but we still don’t know how well they’ll settle as some Eredevisie players who switch to EPL inexplicably don’t match their previous records.

  • 249 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    yo-yo

    Everytime you bring someone in from abroad it’s a massive gamble but a gamble you have to take as british based players are so expensive and over rated plus there is still no guarantee.

    I’d love us to bring in a Sow or Dumbia as we are desperately short up front

  • 250 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    TDS,
    I played against Chopra a number of times when he was 17/18/19, and he never once impressed me.

  • 251 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    JB

    Well if you offered me Bony for £11M or RvW for £8M (sorry if figures are slightly wrong) in the Summer or someone better in January, then I’d take the latter. Yes, I’d have played either of them over Shola but I’ve not been convinced of either as a long-term solution for us. PEA was the one I really wanted.

    Hopefully we can be in a good position after Christmas and entice an excellent striker.

  • 252 pottsclock // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Thump
    We’d have to loan someone in for that !

  • 253 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Lilo

    He was being called the next Shearer by some I seem to remember!

    I don’t get to see the youth games so I’m looking forward to being pleasantly surprised with what player(s) break through!

  • 254 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    We all knew that PEA was never gonna happen and Gomis was/is a Shola clone.

    Will we get anyone better than Bony or RvW in Janaury?

    I hope so but I’m not optimistic.

    Dumbia seems to be our best option as he’s only 25, his contract his running out so fit’s into our policy, but lets wait and see what happens

  • 255 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    JB

    I think we had a chance with PEA but it was all about timing. If no big CL club had come in for him for another week or two then I think we might have had him, stranger things do happen!

    I (and all fans) would love to see us just a few points from the CL places in Jan and buy a really top striker with the selling point being to push for the CL.

    I still don’t think that we’d get a CL spot even with a £20M striker, another £8M centre back and a £5M young attacker, but I’d love to see us try!

  • 256 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    If you don’t include the TV money being payed in May and based on not going into debt, what do you think the transfer kitty will be?
    Sorry if you have made this calculation before.

  • 257 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    PEA was always going to end up at a CL club, he was the hottest young property in European football.

    CL football is way to much an ask this season but 7th is real possibility. Between now and the summer we need at least two strikers and a CB and come the summer we will have the money so there will be no excuses this time

  • 258 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    70TWO

    Our revenue will increase by at least 30 million, the higher up the league we are the more we will get

  • 259 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    JB

    Watched a couple of Ligue 1 matches over the weekend and the whole pace and level of contact is so different from the EPL you’d need a very good scout to pick any player certain to adapt. We’ve been lucky so far.

  • 260 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    yo-yo

    Agree mate, the German league is the closest thing to the PL but league 1 is miles away and that shows just what an amazing job Carr has done for us so far

  • 261 JackButler // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    70TWO

    If we have an overall budget of 30 million then you’d have to look at 18 million going on transfer fee’s, the rest tied up in wages, agents fee etc etc.

    Pretty much the same as last January

  • 262 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    An established creative attacking midfielder playing in front of Tiote and Cabaye around £15-20M would be a justifiable expense. Unfortunately the last time they were went for exuberance over hard working we got Cisse, but perhaps they need to think bigger?

  • 263 ToonDarnSarf // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    JB

    If you mean that we need to sign 2 strikers and a centre back either Jan or next Summer then I’d agree that is at a minimum. I think 7th is a possibility too but 8th would still be decent. 4th place is a very very slim chance and I know I’m holding out a very slim hope that Ashley will believe we have a chance and go for it.

    I’m certainly not going to have a go at him for not doing that…just dreaming… :-)

  • 264 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    That’s very true isn’t it, even with the addition of 3 players at 35 million astutely spent, we’re not likely getting into the Champions League, and as hard as it is to accept, Ashley wouldn’t sanction that sort of spend anyway and we and the players know it. A bit deflating, and the only other option is wait and see, which is cold comfort indeed, for a fan of a club the size of Newcastle, so long without a trophy.

  • 265 yo-yo // Dec 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM

    JB

    Aye Bundesliga closer. Ajax players usually show up okay after a while. We def need the CB and striker. I see Kets also reckons a playmaker – I’m with him on that too, however unlikely that is – I’d go for Siem if it was my money :)

  • 266 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Sobering to see the manager you recently thought would be a good shout to replace Pards, resign from his Championship club after a long run of poor results.

  • 267 70TWO // Dec 16, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    How about a loan move, with future sale, for Kevin de Bruyne?

  • 268 pottsclock // Dec 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    It’s at this time of year that we remember the fat bloke in red and white…
    http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/sunderland/5179/is_andy_reid_th.html

  • 269 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Spurs develop a world class talent in addition to an already fine side, sell him for a hundred million, reinvest the lot in apparently top talent, with a widely acknowledged first class young manager to look after it all and apparently go backwards. That’s also sobering.

  • 270 Toon Tang // Dec 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    can someone stick me a quiche in the oven please. cant be arsed getting up

  • 271 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    As for our blueprint being the one to follow.
    From Biffa at NUFC.com
    ”History shows that we seldom get a clear run in terms of injuries and suspensions (witness Shola knacking himself in the first game after selling Andy Carroll) and to ignore this would be tempting fate – and also entirely typical of our one step forward, two steps backwards approach”
    I agree with him and unless we sign a striker in January it will prove that we have indeed not learnt and are making up transfer policy as we go along.

  • 272 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    ”our transfer policy”

  • 273 toonincheek // Dec 17, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    Jail – you are not quite alone on here!

    The one step forward two steps backwards has at least got us the best squad we have had in a long time, albeit with one key player on loan.

    So Yes – a striker is absolute top priority.

  • 274 lesh // Dec 17, 2013 at 1:53 AM

    Two points: -”

  • 275 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    tic,
    We have a very exciting squad testament to Graham Carrs scouting ability, simply can’t bring myself to give Mike Ashley any credit for it as he is nowhere near being responsible for the our great fans and stadium which helps attract players here, TDsarf points out that Spurs have had years of slow progress, we made great inroads in finishing fifth and made a very deliberate decision to take two steps back, an injury to Remy and more likely Shola could leave us very short up top, if Shola is going anyway ? Why not bring his replacement in now, has everything got to be done on the cheap.

  • 276 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    lesh ?

  • 277 toonincheek // Dec 17, 2013 at 2:34 AM

    Jail -

    However many exciting players Carr finds, it still needs MA to give the OK.

    And Yes, I do wish MA would make more funds available, but at least he has made enough available to assemble the current squad.

  • 278 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 2:49 AM

    tic,
    Of course it does, can he be given credit for buying players when that is his requirement as an owner of a football club, and on the flipside he also has to give the OK on stadium name changes and the appointment of bafoons and eight year contracts, he has to also sanction the fusking about on deals like the Debuchy saga which did we really save money or face in the end.

  • 279 county down magpie // Dec 17, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    Been away for a while and the 3G was shiite so could only read without replying. Most fun things to read more this week center mostly with that biggest of trolls (apparent internet slang for one that creates negative opinion about oneself to create further interest in said person or their business intetests) Ciaran/Ruddy/Regardless. He came out with the news, exclusive I would think, that Remy, Collocinni, Cabaye and Shola will be gone come the end of the season so we should buy replacements for each of them in january otherwise we, or rather Ashley, are gambling with our futures based upon something that has not nor is likely to happen. I could and probably should go on to recount more of his scurrilous claims but I, quite simply, can’t be bothered. I would guess, and its a reasoned guess as a follower and contributer to this blog over the years, that Ciaran/Ruddy continues in his posts, that provoke arguments or ill feeling, to try to promote his own blog of 6 or 7 regular contributors, including himself. Please everyone on here make your own mind up and dont take what I say as a certainty or a PRO ASHLEY/PARDEW viewpoint, as I am just an nufc fan nothing more nothing less, but look into the posts before Ruddy had his own blog, he was alot more pleasant and open minded and has such changed his views to suit his pocket. Again, check it out, dont take my word for it.

    This is Eds blog and we all came here based on a mutual love/respect/affinity/feeling for Newcastle United and long should that, along with a reasoned debate as to our future and hoped for success, continue.

    HWTL

  • 280 toonincheek // Dec 17, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    Jail -

    Don’t really want to argue – I agree with a lot of what you say.

    I’m right with you in the name change, the appointment of JoeK, Wonga and quite a few other things.

    We have had some bad results this season that I want to forget, and some good ones I want to remember. All min all, we are where we should be with the players we have. AP still deserves some credit for that. Any higher and we would be over-achieving and we wouyld have to praise AP – heaven forbid.

    Given that the NUFC manager has to be the mouthpiece for the owner and DOF, I don’t see anyone better than AP who would take on the job of manager with all it entails.

    As long as we are doing well/OK, I’m a glass ¾ full man, and get pi**ed off with the glass ¼ empty guys who whinge and moan because their glass isn’t full and it’s their round next.

    And btw, I don’t really put you in that category.
    Only on your bad hair days!

  • 281 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 4:38 AM

    tic,
    Lol, we don’t have to argue, too many people on here see an opinion that is different to theirs and think it’s a personal affront to themselves, I only get woumnd up when people start talking bolo(ks, I don’t know if you noticed but I’m not Mike Ashleys biggest fan but I’m definitely not totally closed to the idea of changing my mind about him but I think it’s too late for that, he was just regaining my trust when that selfish spiteful decision not to buy any players in the summer of 2012 was made, a pure money driven act without taking the fans into consideration whatsoever, if we really had of been on the bones of our arses I could understand, but the fact that money was spent in January to stave off relegation proved it was just a selfish move by the club to not strengthen earlier.

  • 282 89Norcal // Dec 17, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    You know..one could be forgiven for mistaking this place for Disneyland.

  • 283 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 5:03 AM

    Norcal,
    More like Zombieland.

  • 284 kizza // Dec 17, 2013 at 5:41 AM

    Its probably already been said but I cant be bothered to read through 300 messages…anyway…last night Pardew was at paddington station (in London). A couple of my pals got a picture with him. But my question is “why was Pardew in London yesterday?” No london clubs played yesterday so he cant be scouting…hopefully he was there to meet up with a player for January. But with AVB leaving tottenham….im worried he might be there for a job interview….what do you lot think?

  • 285 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:02 AM

    Kizza,
    Given the fact that he’s from London and probably has a multitude of cousins, siblings and friends from that part of the world then it very probable that he spends a bit of time down there, if he was spotted in Kiev for example after they had just pumped their manager then you might have a story, besides what the fusk would Spurs want with Alan Pardew.

  • 286 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:05 AM

    Kizza,
    Can’t see Spurs being remotely interested in Pards. There are 101 reasons he could be in London. Wouldn’t worry about it in the slightest.

  • 287 kizza // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:12 AM

    You two are probably right. But remember that rumour that Mike Ashley is a yid. He might believe in pardew so much and may have just offered him to spurs (cause he wants tottenham to do well. Ahhhh.

  • 288 kizza // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:13 AM

    ….in fact. Im not gunna make a story of it. Fingers crossed it was just some family visit.

  • 289 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:15 AM

    Good morning Lilongwe,
    Things are fairly rosy at the Toon at the moment.

  • 290 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:15 AM

    Kizza,
    That is exactly what it is, a rumour. Ashley is a Chelsea fan, something confirmed by Llambias and a few other reportedly inside sources.

  • 291 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:21 AM

    Kizza,
    I won’t make a big deal of it but the term ‘yid’ might be deemed by some as being paricularly offensive and we steer clear of tems like that on this blog.

  • 292 John Tudor // Dec 17, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    when it comes to football he is more of a div

  • 293 LEROI // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    Here a famous french man’s prediction about the toons last 2 games with the less than great unwashed and i quote “When the litter is overturned by the whirlwind and faces are covered by cloaks.the new republic will be troubled by its people. and at this time the red and whites will rule wrongly” nostradamus 1500 and sumit he wrote that

  • 294 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    I would probably argue that we are already overachiving a bit and certain other teams around us is underperforming massivly!

    …this part of the season is a repeatition of the season where we finished 5th.

    The football hasn’t change much; we are on form at the moment and lady luch has been good to us, but we have also seen what happens when she is not!

  • 295 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Jesper,
    What a cheery post :O

  • 296 Rotonda heights // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1891639-why-alan-pardews-negative-mentality-is-holding-newcastle-back?

    Spot on. Lose the fear and who knows

  • 297 Ian Toon // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    @282 – Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew will be inducted into the Show Racism the Red Card Hall of Fame later today.

    He is one of four managers being honoured at the event which takes place in London this evening.

    The Hall of Fame is the charity’s way of thanking supporters, patrons and sponsors for the work they have done.

  • 298 Rotonda heights // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    Lilo,

    Who’s worrying? If he goes he goes. He’s had a very mixed bag here. At the moment we are doing very well and that can’t be disputed but he still does things like drop MYM for Colo and continues to sit on a 1-0 lead for the second half of games, even at home. Can’t remember the last time we had a GD in positive territory.

  • 299 Santon03 // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    Marveaux, Obertan, Saylor, gosling we won’t see much of them this season might as well sell them. Either use or sell them.
    Replaced them with a playmaker and upgrade the youngsters, because they aren’t going to play much anyway.
    The problem is their price tag, we might not get a good deal but we pay peanuts for them anyway. Jonas and Raylor might still be useful.
    We definitely need a playmaker just in case of Cabaye suspended or injured, last game missng Cabaye has major impact imo.
    I think we could see Gourcuff and Gomis coming in January
    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11806/9072769/lyons-jean-michel-aulas-wants-resolution-over-bafetimbi-gomis-and-yoann-gourcuff

  • 300 Ian Toon // Dec 17, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Well it was why I chose not to post yesterday and doubtless is largely accountable for the decline of so many bothering to contribute.

    Re Post -277county down magpie // Dec 17, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    Been away for a while and the 3G was shiite so could only read without replying. Most fun things to read more this week center mostly with that biggest of trolls (apparent internet slang for one that creates negative opinion about oneself to create further interest in said person or their business intetests) Ciaran/Ruddy/Regardless. He came out with the news, exclusive I would think, that Remy, Collocinni, Cabaye and Shola will be gone come the end of the season so we should buy replacements for each of them in january otherwise we, or rather Ashley, are gambling with our futures based upon something that has not nor is likely to happen. I could and probably should go on to recount more of his scurrilous claims but I, quite simply, can’t be bothered. I would guess, and its a reasoned guess as a follower and contributer to this blog over the years, that Ciaran/Ruddy continues in his posts, that provoke arguments or ill feeling, to try to promote his own blog of 6 or 7 regular contributors, including himself. Please everyone on here make your own mind up and dont take what I say as a certainty or a PRO ASHLEY/PARDEW viewpoint, as I am just an nufc fan nothing more nothing less, but look into the posts before Ruddy had his own blog, he was alot more pleasant and open minded and has such changed his views to suit his pocket. Again, check it out, dont take my word for it.

    This is Eds blog and we all came here based on a mutual love/respect/affinity/feeling for Newcastle United and long should that, along with a reasoned debate as to our future and hoped for success, continue.

    HWTL

  • 301 Jail for Ashley // Dec 17, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Ian Toon,
    What was the purpose of that !

  • 302 Ian Toon // Dec 17, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Good Morning Lilongwe- I enjoyed reading your contribution yesterday I hasten to add!
    I look for contributions to meet the BBC test of inform,educate and entertain. I didn’t realise you had such first hand knowledge and experience of the academy/ youth side. Although I recall reading your input into a match programme.

    Enjoy.




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