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Newcastle Could Have This Potential Transfer All Wrong

5:14 pm, Thursday, December 19th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 56 Comments

Newcastle were after Wilfried Zaha for almost two years, but last January he signed on at Manchester United for a cool £15M, but was allowed to stay at Crystal Palace and the youngster helped his side get promoted to the Premier League, winning a very close play-off final 1-0 against Watford at Wembley Stadium.

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Wilfried Zaha – on loan to Newcastle?

And ever since we’ve been linked with trying to sign Zaha on loan in January, we’ve questioned the wisdom of that move, unless there is a chance to sign the player permanently after the loan deal.

Alan Pardew held his news conference for the Crystal Palace game today, and was asked about the 21 year-old former Palace winger:

“He’s a Manchester United player as far as I’m concerned,” “He’s a player I know well. He played for my old team.”  “He was absolutely phenomenal when they got promoted.” “He got a big move to Manchester United.”

“Unfortunately, his career has stalled, but I know he’s done very well there in the background.”  “I said last week that we’ll be strategic next month.” “If an opportunity arises, we’ll grasp it. If not, we won’t.”

“The squad is stronger than it was two years ago in terms of depth.”

If Newcastle do sign Zaha on loan, then Newcastle would be obliged to give him some priority in playing time, and that takes away playing time for the likes of Sammy Ameobi, Jonas Gutierrez and Ben Arfa among others, so we’re not sure what the advantage would be to Newcastle.

Here are the results of the poll we conducted on Wilfried – so we’re not alone in this viewpoint:

Would Signing Wilfried Zaha On Loan Be A Good Signing For Newcastle?

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And Wilfried is no doubt a good up-and-coming player, but he has been unable to break into the Manchester United side this season, which has been grossly under-performing under new manager Davide Moyes.

So we really don’t know what the point would be of bringing Zaha in – we certainly we cannot see much advantage to Newcastle – only to the Red Devils, because one of their younger player will get games in the Premier League.

We just cannot see the sense in this.

What do you think?

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Tags: Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target





56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    Meh. Sick of him already. If he comes on loan what are we going to do with him? Why do we suddenly need loan players seeing as how most positions seem to be enjoying a lack of injuries atm? If manure loaned him with a view to letting us buy him, they don’t think he’s good enough for them. And anyone who is no good for manure atm aren’t gonna be that great.

    Pass.

  • 2 Tsunki // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Ed – you don’t seem to have a ‘don’t care’ button…..

  • 3 Tsunki // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Around 70 comments all day? Wow. I remember the days when some articles got 600 plus comments on their own.

    I miss controversy. :|

  • 4 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    “If an opportunity arises, we’ll grasp it. If not, we won’t. The squad is stronger than it was two years ago in terms of depth.”

    In other words, put your cheque book away Mr. Ashley

  • 5 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    JB…I think Pardew has been told already that Mr. Ashley has lost his wallet ;-)

  • 6 wolfshead@toon // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    tsunki

    pardew is a useless tosser hows that? haha

  • 7 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    jesper

    The noises coming out of SJP seem to suggest that old mother hubbard’s cupboard is bare……………….again!

    We desperately need a striker or three as if Remy picks up and injury we are screwed as we are frighteningly short of goals in the squad

  • 8 Shadow_Shearer // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Haven’t seen much of him, but I get da impression he’s not the kind of winger we’re looking for. Unless he is willing to track back and help out full backs. We need a grafter with speed. He seems more Ben arfa, creative type. Not even as good so wouldnt make much sense imo.

  • 9 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I’ve posted this video a few times before but worth looking at.

    Uche Innocent Nwofor, 22 years of age plays for VVV-Venlo in Holland

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rG_sf2pwn8

  • 10 dantoon85 // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Developing a manure player for half a season.
    No thanks!

    Next………….

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    JB…that is what i fear as well :-(

    It is not that I expect us to just players each window, but Mr. Ashley has not even really seemed commited in my book to own a football club!

    He is in it for the wrong reasons and he knows as much about football as I know about Synchronized Swimming ;-)

  • 12 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    *sign

  • 13 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    …and I am not going to buy a Synchronized Swimming team anytime soon ;-) lol

  • 14 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    jesper

    I can’t wait for the summer to hear the excuses for us not using the additional 30+ million in TV revenue………though I suspect that the new training facilities will be used to cover that one :(

  • 15 dantoon85 // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Wonder what Joke in ear has got up his sleeve for January

  • 16 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    …alot of incoherent bullshit is what he’s got up his sleeve…that is what he got ;-)

    JFK is nothing but a WUM ;-)

  • 17 Ibizatoon // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Did someone say incoherent bullsh*t?

    What’s new?

  • 18 bills-son // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    If Ashley is such a cr@p owner what doex that make Ellis Short at SLand?

    Four managers since Ashley appointed Pardew, millions spent on duff players and their only decent player Mignolet already sold.

    And of course bottom of the league with 8pts to show for it.

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Speak of the sun and it shines ;-)

    …how is California?

  • 20 Ibizatoon // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Bills…I have to say that Ellis is doing an amazing job there…far better than I could ever do.

    Captain….Sunny :) How’s things with you?

  • 21 bills-son // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Ibiza,

    Yep he certainly he is :-)

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Don’t really care about Sunderland!

  • 23 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Ibiza…it is not really sunny here mate ;-)

    …got a new car by the way :-) I am a proud Renault owner now (former Citroen owner)

    Seems like a share our love of France :-D

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    …NUFC that is ;-)

  • 25 NUFCarter // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25451422

    Like someone said in a previous article Oliver Bernard is a legend.

    And I thought Gateshead were our’ feeder club’, but we haven’t seemed to loan anyone there in a while

  • 26 bills-son // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    JB,

    On that video, can you imagine what a video of Cisse’s goals would look like to a fan who didn’t know much about him?

    I tend to take more notice of a players first touch and movement than I do of the goals. Thats why I like the look of Mitroglou although it is difficult to judge him playing in the Greek league.

  • 27 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    If you look at managerial sackings and if any of those Chairmen were in charge of NUFC they would have sacked pardew last season.

    Assuming they would have ever appointed him.

  • 28 70TWO // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    What we are up against at Palace, not much really the second ball will be the key.

    http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/detaps_r4kknugliwee-vw/Show/Team-Focus-Pulis-Running-a-Tight-Ship-at-Palace

  • 29 bills-son // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    HD,

    If Pardew finishes top 8 for the second time in three seasons he’ll be one of the few managers to have achieved that with a team outside of the top 6.

    He also finished 12th in his first season even after AC was sold and not replaced and but for drawing with WBA in the last game after being three up he would have finished 10th.

    Doesn’t make him the cr@p manager imo that you seem to think. If he finishes bottom 8 this season come on and hammer him but until then why don’t you just ease off the constant slagging.

  • 30 wolfshead@toon // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    stuck in a rut

  • 31 belgrade fan // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Mitrogly signed new contract today so forget him.
    Wilshere banned 2 games, will return against us

  • 32 John Tudor // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    it makes ellis short a gullible know nowt fruitloop

  • 33 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    bills-son

    The thing with Nwofor is he has the pace of Obertan but knows what to do with the ball :D …………………and doesn’t leave it behind like old Gabby does :(

    I’ve watched him play a few times and he’s always impressed. For what it would cost to bring him here he’d be one very good young player to have in the squad

  • 34 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    See you bring up Sunderland and you scare Ibiza away! Why did you nneed to do that…it was so calm and peaceful now :-(

  • 35 clinath@ed // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    I was starting to wonder where Ibiza had got to….

  • 36 santonthenewmaldini // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Wish Pardew would stop moaning about the Europa !It was not the competitions fault that we were shite last season! We played the youngsters in most of the group games and still got through cant tell me that was not good experience for them! He should have been screaming from the roof tops to get players signed in the summer because if we had have signed Gouffran, Remy , Debuchy and Sissoko in the summer we could have won the damn Europa league as we would have swept aside Benfica with them at the club

    Our current squad does have the depth to play in the Europa because we have the likes of Mbiwa, Taylor, Arfa and Cisse able to step in with the youngsters as well cant see what the problem is??!?

    Also with Faye Downey on board I bet she would have a programme for playing 2 times a fortnight!!

  • 37 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Malky seems to be out of a job one way or another

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25457024

  • 38 clinath@ed // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    If it really was such a pain being in the Europa cup (?) then why don’t clubs try and get as high up the league as possible, pocket the extra money…then when they have to play in Europe the next season, just get knocked out ASAP? Surely that’s a win-win for the miserable b@tsterds!

  • 39 croftus5678 // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    i dont mean any offence to anyone here inc myself !
    but with the toon signing the players they have over the last few years who are we to think we know better ?

    if they sign him on loan or permanent i’ll be pretty sure he will be good as pretty much all there signings have been tbh (even the youngsters good/mbabu/kuman look good) only 1 i can think of that is not is amalfitano but he aint all that bad either just not the quality we want.

  • 40 clinath@ed // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    JB..@37…leaves a bad taste in the mouth the way he’s been treated.

  • 41 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    clinath@ed

    If/When he does go the Cardiff fans will be up in arms. Their owner Tan is a complete nutter

  • 42 santonthenewmaldini // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    @croftus

    I actually dont think Amalfitino was given a proper crack of the whip we never played him in a decent position and he hardly got a game would have been good to have gave him a run out on the right wing or when we signed him we should have loaned him straight to an English club

    Who knows he may come back from his loan spell ready to go …. maybe not

  • 43 70TWO // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    JackButler

    If I was Malkay I would be looking forward to a big pay off and then walking straight in to the WBA job.

  • 44 JackButler // Dec 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    70TWO

    He’s done a very good job at Cardiff and deserves better, but thats what happens when you have someone in charge who has no understanding of how the game works.

    He’ll walk straight into another job but I can’t see anyone wanting to go to Cardiff as his replacement

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    clinath…Ibiza just went to America to sow his royal oats ;) lol

  • 46 70TWO // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    JackButler

    It seems to be a language and communication problem, the letter/email threatening to sack him has come directly from Tan and not from his official employer, the club. A few Lawyers are going to get richer off this one.

  • 47 clinath@ed // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Jesper….as long as he comes back, so that the world can be put straight again..!????

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    clinath…we need to restore balance ;) lol

  • 49 croftus5678 // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    @42 santon

    you may well be right

  • 50 clinath@ed // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Hope someone painted the fence whilest the was gone…..

  • 51 Himanshu Dhingra // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    If Europa paid as much money as UCL or slightly less and was still played on thursdayvery few clubs would complain.

  • 52 Quasimodo's tailor // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Jesper – please don’t encourage Geordie Two with his bloody carp about manliness and chest hair. And people wonder why posters are disappearing.

  • 53 jimmysmith // Dec 19, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Jonas, Benny and Sammy aren’t deemed good enough to be in the starting 11 at the moment, so why not bring in another player who might push those players and improve them or force his own way into the side.

    More competition for places is surely a good thing, and he would also bring a different skill set with him that might be a good fit for us.

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Dec 20, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    I find it funny how people defending Ashley compare him with Ellis Short and Vincent Tan, it’s like saying lucky us we’ve got Pol Pot, we could have had Stalin or Vlad the impaler.

  • 55 Jail for Ashley // Dec 20, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    jimmysmith,
    Because competition for places adds money to the wage bill, one ‘purple’ per place is overstretching things.

  • 56 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Dec 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Read most of the posts on here and am pleased that some attention is being given to some of the talent playing in the Dutch competition !

    We have been concentrating most of our scouting in France for the last few years and i think it would be could if our Scouting Policy started to look in other European countries, and not at the recognised,so called Top teams either!

    In countries like Belgium, Holland, and Germany, there is a wealth of talent, playing in their lower leagues and a lot of the clubs are having dire financial problems. The trick is to send out our scouts and try to harvest the talent that is there?

    We are concentrating too much time in France and need to expand our scouting to other countries! Don,t send Kinnear though, as i just do not trust him at all !

    As for Zaha, well for half a season i just don,t see the point of signing him, it all sounds a bit too risky to me! If he is so good then why are Manure not using him in their first team. Not sure if he is worth the risk? If we start picking up injuries then okay? But my only interest in signing him would be on a loan with a permanent deal at the end of the loan!




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