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Pardew’s Terrible FA Cup Record At Newcastle Continues

7:57 pm, Saturday, January 4th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 237 Comments

Alan Pardew has had to defend his fourth embarrassing exit from the FA Cup, since becoming the Newcastle manager in December of 2010.

alan pardew stoke at home 5-1

Alan Pardew – 3 defeats in a row – all in six days :(

The first time was a 3-1 defeat at Stevenage almost exactly three yeas ago, and the next season we actually won a game 2-1 against Blackburn in the 3rd round, but that’s the only FA Cup victory Alan has had in five attempts as Newcastle manager.

But then in the next round in 2012, we went out ignominiously at Brighton by 1-0, and then last year we were defeated by Brighton again, but this time in the 3rd round.

Given our once glorious exploits in the FA Cup in the 1950s, these defeats are hard to take – very hard to take – make that extremely very hard to take.

This time we lost at home to Cardiff City, who had won just one game in their last 10, and were 4th bottom of the league and a full 15 points behind Newcastle after 20 games played and had just fired their manager.

And we even got the important first goal today, but we still managed to lose.

The FA Cup is  important to Newcastle United, and so are the derby games with Sunderland.

And we wont even mention that Sunderland, who are bottom of the league right now and finished 4th bottom last season, beat us  in succession last year for the first time in 46 years.

And we have to play Sunderland in early February. :(

Those records in the FA Cup and against Sunderland are things that Alan Pardew needs to improve big time.

Maybe the plans the  powers that be put together at Newcastle should contain a line item as follows:

“Try to win a trophy to end the embarrassing 45 year drought at this club.”

It will not happen this year – that’s for sure.

And to make up for these three defeats in six days – maybe we can hammer Manchester City a week tomorrow a St. James’ Park?

Maybe – maybe not.

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237 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    He’s no chance when the science is against him like

  • 2 t00ntime // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    (repost) I definitely don think Pardew should go. Just wish he would stop being scared of conceding and making us sit back. Yes we will concede, yes we will lose but should we not atleast try and play some football even at 1-0?

    We seemed to do it in november +december but then try and defend between 45 and 60th min (funny enough the time we concede most of our goals) then we pushed out a bit and alot of the time had some comfertable wins (man utd + chelsea to name the main 2). Yes teams put more pressure on but we should still have outlets so we can pressure them and its not just one way traffic. but instead we defend with all 11 and long ball it straight back to them for a while, then finally start playing ok again.

    Just my opinion and would love to see AP try and be more positive even if we do concede more I feel we’d be able to outscore most teams anyway, we show that when we put pressure on most teams are forced all the way back (even arsenal got an extra defender on to cope and they’re one of the best teams this year)

  • 3 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Jails too good for Ashley.

  • 4 toon22 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    lol@Belfast

  • 5 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Perhaps a more honest assessment of the choking lack of ambition from this club that was confirmed by John Irving at the last Fans Forum when he confirmed that the club is not interested in the cups due to the lack of financial reward.

    Stop deluding yourself when you think that ‘this year is going to be our year’

    It will never be our year while Ashley is the custodian of the club for God sake!

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    Malta Mag,
    You’re right there that Pardew is the right man for the job, except he’s unfortunately he’s the only man for the job.
    PS
    You think Gosling is decent and we’ll spend this January, and you called me a knobba, what ever one of those is.

  • 7 John Tudor // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    he must go along with the deadwood

  • 8 catchy in norway // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    did I read it right

    we contained them in the first half???? we are at home and we were playing a team 4 th botom , surely they contained us in the first half

    we started better in second half only to play poorly for the last 20 or so minutes ,
    Pardews words
    I take it that Cardiff had the better game plan and would have been more happy than pardew at half time

    pardew will never admit he ducked up by playing 7 new players that had not really had much playing time over the last few month, and let’s face it brining obertan on before remy is total madness ,

    people should wake up

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    Ciaran,
    Do you think that the statement by John Irving had any bearing on the 31K crowd or was that the over priced £ 5 tickets ?

  • 10 toon22 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    When i watch the toon i see a team who dont really have a clue,there is no fluid passing.No real plan at free kicks/corners.
    Players win the ball and look up then you see them panic and just pass it anywhere.
    Sometimes you see people recive the ball nad just pass it back from whence it came.

    It shows a team riding there luck without direction or motovation,players arnt ever rested when they need it and players get games when they are obviously out of there depth.

    And as for Cisse hes obvioisly playing to get away so just sell him,Sholas finnished get rid.
    Where are the fantastic kids we bought?
    Why bother keep getting them?

  • 11 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Fancy seeing you here the last three defeats Catchy, have the seas been rough ?

  • 12 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Jail

    Newcastle fans aren’t stupid, if you tell them you don’t want to win a cup, they aren’t going to waste their money on going to the match.

    I’d venture that even if they were giving the tickets away we wouldn’t have had a full house today.

    If there is no ambition from the club to go for the cup, then why should fans waste their time?

  • 13 jimiley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    The club has stated publicly that they have only a passing interest in the Cups. Mid table mediocrity is the goal and lots of Wonga for Big Mike. Pardew’s position is safe. More pickpocket football where we defend one nil leads. Poor football and a bandit for an owner and the great excuse maker wonders why only 30K turned up. It would be a lot less in the league if season ticket holders had not been hoodwinked into long term purchases. Nobody at the club cares about anything except making money. From the owner down to the players.

  • 14 catchy in norway // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    jail, I have had a busy time , working lots of nights

    trust me, even when we were winning I was not happy with our negative style, other than scoring 5 against 9 men we have played not that good

    for me our team looks dead , not fit, he won’t really freshing it up and use the squad

  • 15 StevieB // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    Stuck up for Pardew on many occasion but not today. Who does he and Newcastle United think they are. We pay good money to watch our team and its evident that our squad simply aint good enough. He needs to grow some balls and demand money to improve both the team and squad. 45 years since we have won something yet the Management have the cheek and audacity to “REST” players in what is one of our best opportunities to win something. I hope Pardew reads this because I am the fan who called him a disgrace (and I think he heard) with a couple of minutes to go. Do it again Pardew and you should be SACKED. PS, Can I have my entrance money back?

  • 16 Santon03 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    there are lessons to learn from 3 loses.

    1. don’t play HBA
    2. don’t play Saylor
    3. don’t play Obertan
    4. avoid using Shola when we are chasing the game.

  • 17 mag // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    We are talking about a man that has failed at every club he has been at from player to alleged manager a total failure. So the club and fans will just muddle along until Ashley decides enough is enough and sacks him soon hopefully!

  • 18 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    StevieB

    Is it Pardew’s fault that Ashley doesn’t want to win a cup? In that instance is Pardew not simply doing what he is told? Surely if he put out a full strength team and one of our top men got injured in a cup match and our final league position was affected, then Ashley would be having strong words with Pards.

  • 19 toon22 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    Supose the only ray of hope is in the end MA will get sick and sell,as a play thing we cant be much fun and we are a very riskey place to leave hundreds of millions of ££££££.

    Take a look at Man City spent a small fortune have a winning team and struggle to get fans in the door can remember fans leaving last season when they are on the cusp of winning the league,can you even begin to imagin the diffrence at the toon.They would need barriers to keep people away from a bit of decent football from an attacking and ambitious team.

    Point being a decent owner can take for granted the passion on offer,its something mega money cant buy.

  • 20 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Jail, the combination of the two would put fresh milk off

  • 21 Santon03 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    if we don’t have enough fund to buy new players, do like what Milan did. Sell high value players and use the money to buy cut priced players.

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Ciaran, catchy, Stevie B,
    Absolutely can’t believe the few people on here today that say the cups are a nuisance, what the fusk else have we got to play for !!!

  • 23 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    My God – I sometimes wonder why Pardew communicates at all as there are those amongst us who just look for snippets to take out of context.
    The way I read his comments is that we dominated the first half but it would have been nice to have a full crowd behind the team. Reading this blog we have Pardew blaming the fans for the defeat and the team doing their best to ‘contain’ their opponents.
    We can hardly complain about the lack of communication from Mike Ashley when we look to pick apart and look for anything we can publish as negative. Those doing so should be ashamed of themselves and ask how this helps the team.
    Yes, the last week has been bad for the club but whining about it isn’t going to fix anything. Pardew is here to stay as long as the team are performing with the fiscal constraints placed on him, and again there are more knowledgeable men than you or I feel he is a good manager.

  • 24 toon22 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    In the last 5 years how many game can people rememmeber that were actually any good?

    For me the 4-4 Arsenal

  • 25 catchy in norway // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    jail

    it’s only fans who look at the table that say that,

    real football fans want to win a cup, real fans want to watch good football ,

    plastic fans believe every word that comes out of his mouth, because he fluked 5th playing shut football ,

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    bills son

    Pardew consistently deserves criticism, Anita and Laudrup less so.

    Even though I never thought it would last given that everyone beats united now, krul beats spurs and 2 red cards saw us past stoke, I did acknowledge the brief improvement under pardew.

    You never mentioned Anita’s assist for Remy V Chelsea or heroic performance at O.T.

    You never acclaimed Laudrup’s thrashing of us minus even 1 striker and having played 3 games in 6 days, the way his teams play, his winning of a cup and getting into Europe for the first time.

    swansea may be struggling a tad now but are still a damn better watch than we will ever be under Pardew.

    Just admit Ashley’s appointments of Pardew and JFK have nothing to do with the best interests of the club but rather was just giving ” jobs for the boys”, ie his drinking buddies who are not good enough on merit to represent a club with 52000 home fans.

  • 27 mag // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    Ciaran we were playing Cardiff not Man City surely we have the squad to cope with them at home the blame lies with Pardew and his limited grasp of the modern game.

  • 28 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    His record in the cup is terrible like you can’t defend it, and it’s got ferk all to do with science.

    Think the average/poor managers get found out in the knockout competitions tbh

  • 29 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    Santon @21,
    Isn’t that what happened with Andy Caroll? The 35 million we received for him helped purchase most of our French legionnaires.
    Despite what some think MA does try to keep hold of key players unless silly money is offered.

  • 30 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    remember 69

    We have every right to be deeply critical of some very abject performances which have been commonplace for nearly 3 years now under Pardew..

    Maybe we are a bit more discerning in that we want to watch to watch decent football and aren’t just blindly faithful.

  • 31 StevieB // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    Ciaran
    Hence why I said Pardew should grow some. I have attended SJP for over 40 years, spent probably spent the best part of £60K to £70K and never seen us win anything. I have had enough. The Management should be ashamed of themselves to only want to “survive” in the Premiership. We should target cups because its our only hope. The players and officials want to qualify for Europe but when we do, they play a weakened team. The fans, as ever, are having our eyes taken out.

  • 32 catchy in norway // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    69

    should he not be ashamed of the way he treats the fans ? treats the players ?.
    he is the manager of a football club that is one of the top 20 in Europe, and with that he should be a bit more savy as to the words coming out of his mouth,

    fore he uses the JFK and Ashley situation to help his bid with the fans trying to get the simpathy vote ,

    judge him on footballing terms , he is a very poor manager , add the crap he talks into the equation , he is a total plonker, remember all his teams play on the front foot, yeah right if there all running backwards

  • 33 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Mag

    The sad facts are that our squad players are not good enough to beat a team like Cardiff.

    If we had better squad players, AP would have had a better team out today and we’d have dispatched of Cardiff no problem.

    Pardew has some responsibility today, but not all of it.

  • 34 mag // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    In any line of work if you are a failure you get the bullet except for Politicians and pardew.

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Toon22,
    Don’t get your hopes up, he’s just realised how to make a profit while taking a little gamble spending nothing and just invested in an acedemy which he hopes will reap rewards, Firetrap etc gets its free advertising while our ‘official’ revenue keeps falling, still 20th Richest club in the world despite his diverting funds, can you imagine if we had the worlds 386th richest man in charge of the club.

  • 36 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    StevieB

    I reckon Chris Hughton showed some balls when dealing with Mike Ashley, which was admirable, but sadly it cost him his job. Pardew isn’t as principled as wor Chris and knows that he will never have as big a job in world football so is merely practising self-preservation.

  • 37 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Ciaran,

    Ashley’s crime is appointing pardew and JFK

    marveaux can’t even make the squad any more!!

    A decent manager a la Solksjaer would have us playing decent attacking football and not bleating about everything under the sun but his own inadequacies. nothing is ever his fault!!

  • 38 tonynufc // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Twitter saying pards has quit

  • 39 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Catchy @25
    “real football fans want to win a cup, real fans want to watch good football ”

    You’re wrong there mate – ALL fans want to win the cup and watch good football, REAL fans stick behind their team through thick or thin.
    “Plastic fans” are those who only SUPPORT their team when they are winning.

  • 40 yo-yo // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Catchy

    If you think the Toon is one of the top twenty clubs in Europe you need your head examining.

    We might not even be in the top 20 clubs in the UK !

    Go support Cardiff and your baby faced assassin. Pardew ain’t great but he sure as hell ain’t as bad as you make out. The rot starts at the top at SJP.

  • 41 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Rotonda

    It is one of Ashley’s many crimes.

  • 42 yo-yo // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Rotonda

    Marv is a bit player who almost certainly would not earn a starting place in any top ten Premiership side.

  • 43 mag // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Ciaran give over Cardiff are relegation fodder playing away from home and your telling me the team pardew fielded couldn’t beat Cardiff?

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Remember,
    You obviously haven’t read any books on the French foreign legion to describe our players as legionnaires.
    Their motto is:
    ‘Honour and fidelity ‘

  • 45 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    catchy spot on

    The words ”we contained them for the half” made me feel sick to my stomach

    SAF’s autobiography tagline ” I never played for a draw”

    Solksjaer was a great shout but with our clowns he was never going to come here. He’s a winner after all.

    The most hilarious line of all was pardew saying he (pardew) was a winner !!!!!!!!!

  • 46 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Ciaran @36
    When Houghton was replaced the word from the club was that is was due to Chis being a yes man and not having his own ideas.
    Whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm it really doesn’t help when bloggers start rumors like this to suit their own agenda.

  • 47 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Hello Jail you Knobba

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    yo yo

    but was our top assister last season

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    God I am happy I didn’t see the game (only heard snips on talksport)

    …I can see what an effect it has had on you guys ;)

  • 50 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    Remember

    So Hughton got sacked for being a yes man? So Pardew got a 8 year contract for forming his own opinions 100% of the time?

    Yeah, makes sense.

  • 51 BuckLuck // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    tonynufc@38

    Too good to be true.

  • 52 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Jail @44,
    So now you’re attacking the integrity of our French players now? I’m not sure what your point is other than to find something else to moan about.

  • 53 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    That was unkind Belfast.

    Waiting for the hours until our 47 seconds of infamy on the telly :(

  • 54 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Rotonda@48 hahaha very good example, stats from last season that’s a gem

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Yo yo

    Oh really

    nearly relegating 3 different clubs

    record losing streaks at 2 different clubs

    record number of goals conceded in a season

    worst domestic cup record of any NUFC manager

    Only 1 top 6th finish in nearly 20 years.

    it’s ok though cos it’s always someone else’s fault.

  • 56 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    Yo-yo
    At the last reckoning we were 20th richest in the world never mind Europe, does that not suggest we should be aiming a bit higher than what we’re led to believe we should be.

  • 57 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    And Ole is a missed opportunity after one game…. keep ‘em coming lads it’s all great material.

  • 58 Ciaran // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Do people not realise that without Ashley, Pardew would not even be a consideration because he, and the rest of the cockney mafia and PR ‘gurus’, liars, and crooks, would be high-tailing it out of our great club?

  • 59 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    marveaux has hardly played despite being fit and coming off a good previous season.

    marveaux, ben Arfa, Cisse and MYM and Anita to name a few have all gone backwards. no one has developed

  • 60 welshgeordie9 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Will all the so called supporters on this blog who keep moaning about the last three results get a life. I mean every team lose, correct me if I am wrong but didn’t we beat Cardiff not so long ago.

    Look at Liverpool they lost Norwich at home and where are Liverpool now. You think because we lost our last 3 games we have got a rubbish squad.

  • 61 TimKrulFan // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    When pardew first joined he said he’ll try and grab a cup with both hands. The bloke is a lying prick who chats sh*t constantly and doesn’t know how to manage a team.

  • 62 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Buck luck @51
    Another tweet reckons AP is about to be replaced by Paolo Di Canio and he’ll be work with Olivier Bernard to strengthen the team.
    Be careful what you wish for….:-)

  • 63 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Skunki

    I was thinking if Pardew started to wear black leather gloves. tucked his black jumper into his trousers and pulled the trousers up to his armpits, we might just get past the 3rd round next year. Would you agree ?

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    Ole has been a winner all his life as a player and manager.
    he has a creditable CV, pardew does not. Only took him 24 hours with the players to suss Pardew. must have taken lessons form Poyet and others.

  • 65 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    And tbf out french players have come on loads, goofy, Debuchy, Haidara, cabaye…

  • 66 wolfshead@toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    rotonda

    when did i liken pards to wenger i asked you when was the last time he won a trophy? a long time ago and so he should have with the likes of henry and vieira at his disposal. since then how many quality players has he bought and sold and how much money has he spent you fvcking plank

  • 67 mag // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    @55 right on! Pardew should have been blown out last season.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    if these sad Pardew acolytes want to keep lapping up pardew’s bs, let them. he’s not going anywhere and nor are we. Facc it.

  • 69 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Belfast if his trousers have a flap at the back, he might just do it :)

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Belfast,
    According to Urban dictionary. Knobba:
    The head of your dick stays swollen and the shaft is limp — looking like a doorknob.

  • 71 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    It’s Saturday night and you’re all fighting!

    …we were crap, Pardew is crap! deal with it! ;)

  • 72 Thump // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    This is the bloke who said that Pardew has walked: https://twitter.com/FootballAgent31

    I don’t think anything else needs saying

  • 73 bzak12 // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    This is only the start of another attempt by Pardew to beat his record of consecutive defeats. Looking at upcoming fixtures I cant see where next win is coming from.

  • 74 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    I dunno about being sussed though. Hatem just needs to stop smacking the woodwork and put some of those in and it would be all smiles today.

  • 75 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Belfast,
    I think if he grew the sides of his hair really long and fluffed it out a bit, shaved
    the middle bit and bought some NHS glasses a couple of test tubes and a white overcoat, he might be able to master the science of the FA cup.

  • 76 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Haha

    Knobba shall be my new word from here on in…

  • 77 TimKrulFan // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    He doesn’t address issues with the players he doesn’t develop youth players and hates technical players.

  • 78 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    Doc from back to the future? Great Scott!

  • 79 BuckLuck // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    If Cabella and other attacking players read this blog to read up on the club;
    Do not join us. Wait until Pardew is sacked.
    Under Pardew your job will only be to help out in defence and perhaps give it a go IF the counter looks promising. Really promising, but only then!

    Pardew is an average muppet hired by a selfish clown.

  • 80 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    TKF Yeah but he also has some weak points…

  • 81 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    “I felt they were in good shape, had good control of the game … ” Aye Cardiff, Alan. They never broke sweat. They didn’t need to.

    “…we are not going to win a trophy going out in the third round.” Any more statements of the bleeding obvious,, Alan? No wonder you haven’t got our lot motivated.

  • 82 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    I was just looking at the upcoming fixtures myself there.

    Man City next week onwards and upwards lol

    At least we’ve loads of points on the board unlike last season.

  • 83 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    Remember,
    Would you describe Cabayes and Remys behaviour as having honour and fidelity ?

  • 84 BuckLuck // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    remember69@62

    I do not wish for that. But I do hope to see Di Canio manage again. That was entertainment!

  • 85 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    wolfshead

    class is permanent.

    yes no trophy as such for a while but look at how the whole club is run.

    In the same time that pardew has been in management
    Wenger has won 11 titles at one club including 2 doubles and has 14 successive CL qualifications.

    Arsenal were CL runners up not that long ago and are back at the top now just showing Wenger’s endurance and quality when until Ozil he had made very, very few expensive purchases.

    pardew has won nothing in all that time yet is deemed good enough by his drinking buddy to do the job SBR and KK did.

    Building a northern arsenal on a french model is passe as wenger has moved on to germans and Spaniards now.

  • 86 Ancientcoptic // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    welshgeordie9, it is not just about the last 3 results… take a look at comment 55.

    We were not going to beat Stoke playing against 11 recently, this has been creeping in for some time.

    The problem is the negative football.

    It is normal in most games, for other teams to have more possession.

    The ball is pinged about through Cabaye, what happens if we lose him? Good teams play with the ball on the deck, we sit back then have sporadic attacks with little build up play, and not enough men committed forward.

    Our goal difference is always low, our position in the table going on 3 years looks miraculous in comparison to our goal difference, an indication of a team that camps on goals.

    We rarely go out and thoroughly beat teams, we play like an inferior side, employing sneaky tactics to get by in games.

    Can you honestly say you are happy about the football we play? Getting a few lucky results against big sides is only glossing over the problems

  • 87 remember69 // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    Rotunda @ 55
    Really???? You must be really frustrated if you spend so much time digging for negative facts. How about comparing AP against other managers who have similar financial restrictions imposed on them?
    Man city just tied with Blackburn today – with the financial muscle they have and the players at Pellegrini’s disposal can you really say that AP did a much worse job today?
    Let’s not allow the emotion of losing to overcome logic. All teams will have good spells and bad spells – as a supporter we have a choice to stick with the team or perhaps move on. If you choose the latter and withdraw your ‘support’ don’t forget to close the door behind you.

  • 88 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    I bet that Vincent Tan’s sitting in his hotel room right now thinking he’s awesome. I change manager we win !!

  • 89 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    We are as likely to beat Citeh as lose to them though – Pards does have a knack of saving his ass by a well timed yank of something out of it :)

  • 90 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    remeber

    we are not talking about just today man.

  • 91 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    remember

    I was on the leazes in 68 so give yer head a shake you deluded moron.

  • 92 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    remember69

    Your post at 39 is the best post I have read on here for a long long time.

  • 93 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    He he I think I will stick around this is warming up nicely

  • 94 wynsleap // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Job done for this season for Ashley.
    Out of the cup so no chance of winning the thing and getting into Europe (which apparently no one wants).
    No chance of relegation or getting into the European places (which apparently no one wants) so no need for new signings.
    Nothing to look forward to for Toon fans as the season is now over already.
    However Ashley will be looking forward to getting all of his TV money. Lovely jubbly for Sports Direct.

    Never mind – we can do it all again next season.

  • 95 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Not sure Tsunki. Think he’s been riding his lucky horse for a good while, but now he’s fell off and his horse has ran away.

  • 96 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    Most of the people who are defending Pardew here (the armchair brigade) didn’t have to sit through it first hand and certainly not a few yards from their fans who were a complete pain in the arse. The lack of effort and belief was embarrassing. We were chasing shadows most of the time while Pardew looked on clueless as ever.

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    wolfie

    Ah good old foul language, the last resort of the intellectually challenged.

    Wenger or Pardew, let me think about that and I’m the plank God help us!

  • 98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    I heard a song a while back that reminds me of Pardew and it goes something like this :) :

    “…I’m that book that ain’t finished, a sink full of dishes,
    The horse that ain’t winning, the priest that’s still sinning
    The spark that starts the fire…I am the fighter, few will remember my name”

    …sorry, I know it’s bad humor, but I just couldn’t help myself!

  • 99 wolfshead@toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    rotonda

    dont call me a clown then glass houses and all that and dont patronise me you narrow minded snob

  • 100 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Far from our strongest 11 but still an 11 that should have progressed to the next round but we were again a side with no intensity or drive or any real idea as to what the hell we were doing.

    As for science being against him???

    Think Pardew needs stronger medication or a good hard slap

  • 101 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    Rotunda,

    So, now someone who’s opinions you disagree with is a ‘deluded moron’.

    Pathetic.

  • 102 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    Hang on though think of the benefits of being the perennially disappointed – when victory does come we will all be beside ourselves with sheer unbridled joy.

  • 103 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM

    There is supporting your team when they lose and give it all (manager included) And then there is blindly defending the manager & players regardless .

    There is nothing wrong getting upset by a defeat if we totally bottled it IMO .

  • 104 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    We are not allowed to question or criticise as we should all be grateful for what we have

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Bills,
    You say that about every post you agree with, hope your not getting Alzheimers and dont realise that last week isn’t a long time ago :)

  • 106 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    From memory the last game we were beaten under Pardew but we gave it a good go was more than a year ago at Old Trafford when Man U beat us 4-3 .

    Defeats like that show heart and I can sleep well knowing we had a good go . Not when we try to hold on to a 1 goal lead or settle for draws at home .

  • 107 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    Most of our players weren’t interested in playing for Pardew, none more so than Sissoko. When is Pardew going to wake up and see that his favourite boy hides at every opportunity and only makes a token effort? From what I’ve seen of the kid at NUFC, he’s a disinterested, over-rated bottler.

  • 108 toon62 // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    We are going nowhere under this manager. Santon is not and never has been a left back, has to be a left footer in that position. Shola’s legs have gone, has never been prolific and wouldn’t get into any other premiership team. We don’t have a style of play, if you went to watch any of the teams in the top half of the prem, you can see week in week out what their system is, we are hit and miss, any changes in personnel and we are lost. Our passing is at best average, movement is almost non existent and the decision making is just not there. We have no high tempo in us.

    I watched the Arsenal game today and watched a different sport to what we play…..and before anyone points out our recent run of results, I ask you to look at those games and tell me where we were dominant, classy and never looked like losing the lead.

    Pardew is one of the Dinosaur brigade that are still left in the Prem, Allardyce, Hughes, Moyes etc. who have had their day and are being left behind by talented forward thinking Young Managers that have been brought up on Wengers style of management and football.

    We are three loses into what will be a horrendous run of poor results which will include another derby defeat, you can see it coming. Something has to change NOW!

  • 109 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    Are we playing Citeh next?

  • 110 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    jesper

    City home, West Ham away, Norwich away, sunderland home, Chelsea away, Spurs home

  • 111 wolfshead@toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    jesper

    i saw your pm on the news last night she is easily the best looking world leader. that title used to be held by merkel or was it berlusconi haha :-)

  • 112 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    @ JB

    I know m8, we should all conform like Zombies and appreciate mediocrity in mid table with no trophies .

    Even Ashley’s tyranny has affected our fans mind-set into believing we should be grateful for 1 loan player despite record TV money and not getting into Europe because our squad isn’t big enough .

    Its getting ridiculous FFS . Next Ashley will be trying to convince us being a yo-yo club will be great as we get Parachute & Promotion money year on year .

  • 113 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    BPC @ 103 I agree. Those so-called fans who aren’t hurt enough to complain shouldn’t criticise those passionate fans who are.

  • 114 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    We desperately need to strengthen. We can probably afford to not sign a centre back until the summer. I’d like to see Menez, Pastore and Ba brought in.

  • 115 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    wolf…god I not you are serious about Merkel :D lol

  • 116 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    I was slaughtered on here by a select few for slating Pardew after the pathetic showing against Swansea where I said he got it wrong at every turn.

    I was a branded a negger, told I didn’t truly support the club etc etc, two days later Pardew himself came out and said he got it wrong and that same select few praised his honesty. some people can’t see the woods for the tree’s and it’s very worrying that they are simply taking whatever is offered to them

  • 117 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    West Ham away and Norwich away. Two teams fighting for their lives. Certainly a difficult few games coming up

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    @112

    yes we are we just dont come on here to cry

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    *hope

  • 120 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    Do you not think we’d be better of signing Ibra kets ?

    Push the boat out like.

  • 121 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Jail,

    That post at 39 is a cracker.

    Wish I’d wrote it.

  • 122 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    B&B

    Some fans have been complaining about the dross served up since the 60′s mate, then we won the Fairs Cup in 69. Between 69 and KK arriving, the fans still complained. Between KK and SBR the fans still complained.

    Today, the fans are still complaining; has anything changed, have we won anything??

    It doesnt matter how much you complain, nothing changes except the man at the top raking in the money.

    You want to change things – stop complaining, stop giving your money in exchange for dross. It hasnt happened in 50 years, it wont happen now either.

  • 123 asenski // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    from what i saw our ranking is quite tricky about the form and performace
    as to the matches- every team with good modern manager (even below top 10) can beat us or at least outplayed us in terms of football
    i mean in almost every win we got we were not the better footballing side on the pitch

  • 124 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    No they don’t cry, just try to defend the undefendable time after time after time after time

  • 125 asenski // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    lost vs city
    draw vs west ham and
    lost vs norwich
    and…. i hope we have a new manager to lead the team vs sunderland

  • 126 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Bills,
    You did write it yesterday, don’t you remember :)

  • 127 asenski // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    if that’s the proce to see pardew out i will take it anyday

  • 128 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    asenski

    no way Pardew will be replaced as we are in the top half of the league, if he didn’t go after last years debacle there’s no way he’ll go now or any time soon

  • 129 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Was thinking West Ham where certain for the drop, but looks like they’re going to buy their way out of trouble.

    That’s the main reason I don’t like this January window.
    Though to be fair, we basically done the exact same thing last January. So can’t really complain lol

  • 130 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Would take great delight In fat sham taking West ham down

  • 131 asenski // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    JB
    then we are in big big trouble mate and I believe you just can’t stand that situation
    but i am cautious about fans’ patience cause i expect another bad run of games just because these wins recently were not based on great football arguments imo

  • 132 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    wolfs – Were you passionate to go to the match? Do you shout at players not putting in enough effort and applaud players who do? Or should you not shout at your own players?

  • 133 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Never heard so much ill informed tosh in all my born days.
    A FEW FACTS
    Keegans cup record at NUFC was atrocious
    He never got past January in the League cup (and on 4 occasions didn’t get past Xmas)
    He never got past February in the FA cup.
    The only time he got us to Wembley was a flukey Charity Shield (Manure won the treble so we got in with 2nd place)
    and Fergy’s team twatted us 4 – 0, Shearer never had a shot on goal !!!!
    On 27 October 1993 we lost under Keegan in the 3rd round of the League Cup to Wimbledon under Kinnear (you know that pissy old man who knows nowt about footy)
    Keegan was so impressed he talked Joe into selling him Warren Barton.At the time Wimbledon had gates of 9000 and had to share their ground.

    We.ve been knocked out of a cup – man up you whingers and move on.

  • 134 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Gutted at another 3rd round exit
    The club can set there targets prioritise league position de prioritise cups etc but they will never convince the fans that the FA Cup, one of the most historic and prestigious domestic cups isn’t important

    One of my earliest football match memories was going to see the toon in a FA cup semi final vs Chelsea at Wembley which we lost (2-1?)
    Never been to a game since that has matched the extreme highs and lows and pride of standing in the terraces among god knows how many travelling fans supporting 11 absolute warriors giving 110%
    Even at the full time whistle the toon army applauded and cheered the players louder and with more passion than the Chelsea fans cheered booking a place on the final, that’s what it means to the fans

    But that was a different time and a different toon, were out of both domestic cups now, no Europe so as far as I’m concerned no excuses not to go all out for an assault on the top 6, no bollox about fatigue etc no distractions give the team and the fans something to play and cheer for this season as opposed to simply going through the motions and cementing the top 10

  • 135 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    We.ve been knocked out of a cup – man up you whingers and move on.

    apathy at it’s very, very best

  • 136 archaeomag // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    @Belfast
    I remember that Andy Carroll bloke looked good in the championship – lucky they got him!

  • 137 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    Graeme – what sort of fatalistic attitude is that? If it wasn’t for fans with high expectations we wouldn’t have the modest success we have had. You might as well go and watch Sunderland if that’s all you care.

  • 138 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    asenski

    Survival is the only aim under Ashley as thats what brings in the cash and the platform to advertise his grubby little retail shop, Pardew his here for the long run as any manager with a pair of balls would openly question the way we are run

  • 139 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    @ Jeff

    I wonder if they are still saying that in another 50 years ?

    “Just move on”

  • 140 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    Jeff @ 132

    Thats the best post I’ve read since 39.

    :-)

  • 141 TimKrulFan // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    If it was up to pardew we’d have Carroll and Shola up front

  • 142 Jail for Ashley // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    Jeff from Benwell,
    I bet you and your Ashley and pissy old man loving compatriots in the Howlitt are celebrating being knocked out the cup today, we can concentrate on that top ten finish now !

  • 143 colwell // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    All we have to look forward too is maybe top 8 finishes for years to come, we don’t have what it takes to challenge for top 4, or the squad for either cup or Europe the joys of being a Newcastle fan. ay.

  • 144 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:59 PM

    And yes Keegan had his flaws, but he also nearly brought the title to Newcastle .

    Makes you wonder how different things could have been if we did actually win the league ? .

    Maybe in some alternate dimension we did and went on to win multiple titles and be one of the best teams in Europe ;) .

  • 145 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 9:59 PM

    Starting to think Bills is another one of these unhinged yahoos with multiple accounts.

  • 146 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    I don’t think that just because it has been worse we should be pleased with what we’ve got, cloth cap clutched to chest with both hands and head lowered in appreciation that we’ve never had it so good. It’s a different age and we compete in a different world now, expectations should be higher because the competition has moved forward, so must we. We should never be satisfied that we just exist, stay still and we will be overtaken.

  • 147 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    Just imagine what it would have been like if we’d had blogs when we drew 2.2 at home to non league Hereford in the FA Cup after being 2.0 up.

    A first division team defending a lead against a non league team – and failing.

    And then, we go 1.0 up in the replay and lose 2.1. Failed to defend our lead again.

    They wpuld have been some blogs to read.

    Next game we beat ManU 2.1 away. The last time we’ve won there since our win this season.

  • 148 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    I’m watching you Bills :)

  • 149 Tsunki // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    Bills – he means it too.

  • 150 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    We will never win anything with gutless wonders like Sissoko. When you go on a football field, a pre-requisite to success is the burning desire to do everything to win.

    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

    To serve your turn long after they are gone,

    And so hold on when there is nothing in you

    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

    Sissoko pulls on a shirt and goes through the motions. He has absolutely zero intention of getting in the box and getting on the end of something. People criticise Ben Ten but the lad goes all out to try to win a game and never hides.

  • 151 Belfast // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Don’t make me do my Taggart there’s been a murderrrrrrrrrrrrrr voice Tsunki

  • 152 JackButler // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    bills-son

    I’m convinced that if you look up ‘Yes-man’ in the dictionary there would be a picture of you grinning like kid on a chocolate high

  • 153 archaeomag // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    I Blame Fergie – I think he withdrew Man U from 1999-2000 FA Cup – never quite the same since.

    It will probably end up as the Fox FA Soccer Cup – and the final will be played at 3.00 AM to suit the sponsors.

  • 154 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    B&B its an attitude aquired by watching a team I loved for 50 years performing like souless, spineless, misguided robots.

    The man at the top has absolutely NO interest in NUFC, as a fans Football Club; he has zero interest in the fans – all he wants is the money. He learned from Westwood, McKeag et al – put 11 players in Black & whit on the pitch and 45,000 will turn up, regardless. It was true in the 60′s and its true today.

    The fans crave success, Ashley milks that for all its worth, for every penny he can get. Its a simple fact of life as a NUFC fan. I will always be a fan of my club, but I wont give FCB another penny.

  • 155 bills-son // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    JB,

    I used to be the Milky Bar Kid.

  • 156 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:13 PM

    It certainly doesn’t help that Pardew has the face and charisma of a goldfish and just enough thrust to take him round and round a little bowl.

  • 157 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    santon 03 on previous thread. arsenal looking to buy n b yiang for 71/2 million .he has just joined montpelier on loan for rest of season.he has been poor at ac 1 in 19 and has said himself he needs to get back to his previous form.

  • 158 archaeomag // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    @Jeff 132
    Remember it well – probably best goal Barton ever scored.

  • 159 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    I think Kipling was writing for the benefit of a pale snotty nosed English public schoolboy – not a 6 foot plus super athlete with the income of a film star

  • 160 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:27 PM

    Graeme – I judge Ashley by the squad he assembles. On that score, he rates highly. I can’t think of a time in the past when we’ve had such a strong squad; when we have the likes of Cisse, MYM, Taylor, Anita, Benny on the bench. Can you?

    Ashley has refused to pay over the odds or to sell on the cheap. Those things have been the downfall of this club for decades. Over the years we’ve lost our best players to Manchester, Liverpool and London, and been the green pastures for their retired nags.

    I do blame Ashley for pig headedly sticking with Pardew; although to be fair, it’s only been three wasted years.

  • 161 Our Toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:36 PM

    Lads just a quick thought on this latest defeat and to pards supporters on here, can you guys explain to me how we lose more games from winning positions than any other team? Today it wouldn’t surprise me if the intention was to see the game out at 1-0 and once again we got caught out. BTW the Stoke game it the only game this season that we’ve won after going behind, that’s because they had 9 men!! Cisse thrived in an attacking team now we play defensive football and blame him for lack of goals, we had 1 shot on target at HT!! Don’t blame the players today I blame the sit back and defend what you have policy!! We play to nick a goal not to score a couple and finish the opposition off

  • 162 jimiley // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    The owner does not care if we come 7th or 4th bottom. He does not want Europa and he definitely does not want the drop. What about the loss of money? Well it goes in his pocket so what does it matter to the club. It may be for the best if we have a terrible second half to the season and only just stay up. Pardew might be sacked.

  • 163 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    Our toon – completely agree, usually a pards fan to an extent, although not blind from his mistakes, I think he seems a decent bloke, but this is one thing that has p’d me off repeatedly!

    Think the part of the post match interview gave it away, ‘we got the goal’ the goal? as if he thought the winner was the first team to score, and it would end on nil, then goes on to say you cant afford to sit back etc, so whether the players are susceptible to thinking the games done and dusted and fall asleep, or whether he thinks protect the lead, or both I don’t know, but it needs to change as we rarely win from behind, keep our leads or really hammer other sides, what id give to see us beat someone 4:0!

  • 164 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    B&B – I have no problems with him bringing the debt down at all. My problem is his complete lack of understanding how a football club works; how the fanbase interacts on a daily basis etc. etc.

    Taking over a new venture is nothing new, I have done it myself. What I find hard to understand is why, having bought us, with zero knowledge of how it works, did he not employ someone with the skills and ability to manage a Football Club from top to bottom?? There were any number of gifted managers available at the time to advise him. To proud maybe?? I dont know. He has made it very clear that its going to be his way, or no way – based on what??

    To then, miraculously get us to 5th, but then refuse to strengthen a weak squad that had been riding its luck for months, sheer bloody lunacy and we all saw the consequences.

    His stated aim / objective for the club or no lower than 10th, no higher than 6th; no interest in either of the Domestic Cups as they are a “Distraction to the main goal” is abhorant to any fan, of any club.

    The only thing is objective produces is a Maximum return on Investment – which would appear to be MA’s only interest in NUFC – we are now a cash cow, no more, no less.

    How does a football fan swallow that and still say its “my” football club? Its a souless, heartless business, run by souless, heartless people.

  • 165 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    Also anyone know if real Madrid still have an interest in krul? could try and be cheeky and make a swap for cassilas as he wants first team football to guarantee the number 1 jersey at the world cup?? don’t see any chance hed come here but stranger things have happened! cant see any other big sides desperately needing a keeper, and im sick to death of kruls distribution and going in feet first to claim the ball or make a challenge! similar to given, great shot stopper, but looking good doesn’t always mean youre conceding less!

  • 166 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    “For the last three years I don’t know, it’s science against me.” OMG! Pardew’s lost the plot. His list of excuses has turned into a book. Of course, he doesn’t want to blame the referee.

    “I thought the ref should have given a free-kick before then.

    “He let a little incident go.

    “He put the whistle to his lips and momentarily that makes you stop.

    “And it was that indecision by him that made us back off a bit and gave him a chance to shoot.

    “But it’s one of them, I don’t want to go on about the referee.”

    WTF …!?

  • 167 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    I see Munich have agreed a deal for Lewandowski and totally monopolized the Bundesliga . Shame :( .

  • 168 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:01 PM

    B&B @ 165 – You really couldn’t make it up could you. As I said in a previous post, he really does need to employ a better script writer.

  • 169 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    Ahh the old cash cow argument.
    definition
    In business, a cash cow is a product or a business unit that generates unusually high profit margins: so high that it is responsible for a large amount of a company’s operating profit. This profit far exceeds the amount necessary to maintain the cash cow business, and the excess is used by the business for other purposes.

    A poorer description of NUFC would be hard to find.

    You whingers need to to get your complaints sorted out.
    you complain
    1 Ashley has reduced revenue streams
    2 NUFC is his Cashcow
    3 He is not interested in the club
    4 He uses it as a platform for promoting SD

    I could go on but got bored
    Do you see a pattern ?

    The even numbers are the opposite of the odd numbers

  • 170 Marty-Toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    The yo yo team,
    You just never know what team is gonna show up on the day.

    Desperately disappointing but as expected

  • 171 belgrade fan // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    You people really want to lose nerves to see shall we finished 8th or 10th?? to lose nerves every week because of that? no way

  • 172 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:06 PM

    Graeme – What about the question? When have we had a stronger squad? Name a bench that is stronger than the one we have now. We’ve even got decent players who can’t make the bench.

    It’s well known that there’s little, if any, money to be made in football. You wouldn’t invest your pension pot or any part of it in a football club, would you?

  • 173 jimmysmith // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:10 PM

    Cups are a lottery, it’s disappointing of course, but chances are we get knocked out sooner or later. Now we get to focus entirely on the league, the only top eight club in that position and so we have the best chance of any to play to our best potential and be judged fairly at seasons end.

    I think we are a good side lacking the incisive final ball and goal threat a genuine number 10 would give us, and I think the squad needs a little more depth off the bench that such a player and perhaps a down the bye line and crossing winger would give us. Essentially direct upgrades on Obertan and Marv. As Pardew has said they’ll enter the market strategically, but I’m hoping with the intent to bring these players in now.

  • 174 yo-yo // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Marty @ 169

    Aye right !

  • 175 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Pardew left bemused

    Alan Pardew was left ‘bemused’ after Newcastle United lost in the FA Cup third round again following a 2-1 home defeat by Cardiff City.

    Newcastle have now gone out of the FA Cup at this stage three times in the past four seasons after goals from substitutes Craig Noone and Fraizer Campbell sent Cardiff through.

    Pardew made seven changes from the team which lost at West Brom on New Year’s Day, but was adamant he had selected a strong enough side to advance.

    Asked how disappointing it was to go out of the cup early again, Pardew said: “It is and I am bemused because I think we had a more than strong enough team to win that game.

    “I felt they were in good shape, had good control of the game and really and truly, the last period just got away from us, and we can’t afford that to happen.

    “We want to win a trophy here, they (the fans) are desperate for a trophy. It’s been a long, long time and we are not going to win a trophy going out in the third round.”

    Pardew also suggested that referee Anthony Taylor should have stopped play before Noone fired home his equaliser.

    He added: “I thought the ref should have given a free-kick before then. He let a little incident go.

    “He put the whistle to his lips and momentarily that makes you stop. And it was that indecision by him that made us back off a bit and gave him a chance to shoot.

    “But it’s one of them, I don’t want to go on about the referee.”

  • 176 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:14 PM

    Graeme – Science against him! FFS! The whistle against the referee’s lips made us back off! WOO HOO HOO!

    What does this mean?

    “The first half was difficult because there wasn’t 50,000 in here to assess, I thought we played quite well.”

    I shake my head in sheer disbelief.

  • 177 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    IMO with the Exeption of Lukaku our team is man for man better than Everton yet Martinez & Pardew couldn’t be more different in phillosophys or playing styles.

    Martinez is the guy to go to top of the league Arsenal at the Emirates and dominate for the majority of the game by playing slick attacking football .

    Pardew on the other hand is the type of guy that defends 1-0 leads against promoted sides at home, blames everyone and their dog for a poor performance rather than himself and create so few chances per game.

  • 178 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:19 PM

    B&B – I would suggest that both KK and SBR had squads at least as good as we have today, probably better – todays squad has none of the flair that the above 2 managers had though (Maybe Ben10 excepted).

    Their league positions would also tend to back that up as well. The difference was that KK & SBR WANTED their teams to win, WANTED to be in the Champions League – and they did it as well.

    Ashley has NO interest at all.

  • 179 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:21 PM

    B&B @ 175

    Mate, its no good asking me, I’m completely bemused by the whole situation. It beggars belief.

  • 180 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    I spent the first half about 12 rows from the front. I had a great view of what was happening. It was nothing like Pardew’s assessment. I spent the second half in the very front row. My vantage point was at the same level as Pardew’s. It was a nightmare; you can’t see the wood for the trees down there.

  • 181 jimmysmith // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:29 PM

    To be fair to Pardew, very few managers would stack up well against Robson, and certainly not KK, despite that remarkable first spell, and Pardew’s tenure is of course unfinished and overall far from poor so far, although I agree we have at times been difficult to watch, but again, do quite often look a very good side.

  • 182 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM

    Graeme – You’re not coming down with a dose of science, are you? It’s awful when you’re up against science. But you’ve got no chance when the ref puts his whistle to his mouth and sells you a dummy.

    Remind me of KK’s and SBR’s benches. Anyone?

  • 183 Graeme // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:35 PM

    B@B – Science is great mate, but I promise I’m not using any tonight, I’m on holiday lol.

    I am coming down with an evil bitch of a cold though, so think its time I retired to the comfort of my pit. Catch you next time.

  • 184 sparky55 // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:37 PM

    The unfortunate thing about this blog is it’s a bit cut and paste week in week out.

    We win and it’s ‘he’s a golly good fellow’,…we lose and Mike Ashleys got no interest in the club, we should sack Pardew and ‘just think what would happen if we had a good coach managing this great squad.’

    and let’s not forget Jails wonderful insights

    Everything about this wonderful club is a shame…even this blog…and that’s unfortunately because we’re all just pissing in the wind because nowt will change until Ashleys finds someone that meets his price

    much more fun pre-match when lots of optimism flying about…same old same old after each and every game.

    so here’s some more even though I know it’ll never happen…SACK PARDEW…HE’S F&CK1NG CLUELESS

  • 185 Mister Tuff // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM

    Ahaa the old deny the facts argument;
    It was widely reported in the press and I’ve posted the direct quotes on here a couple of times what Sir John Hall reported he was told when he was in negotiations selling the club – Ashley wanted the club to promote his clothing business.
    Now then if you pardon the expression, which I do hesitate to use, those who deny the facts
    are the true knobba’s.

  • 186 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM

    Aye graeme, i’m off. This website slows and then freezes my computer. I keep getting some javascript download shite. Ahhhhhh. That’s science for you!

  • 187 yo-yo // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:43 PM

    Rotonda

    I made a resolution a week ago to challenge the ‘haters’ as I have ben totally fed up with the s***te that gets dished upon here on the slightest and most spurious grounds but am going to give up as of now. Life is too short to argue with iredeeemably negative people. The phrase used to be ‘atmosphere hoover’. Someone who gave off bad vibes whenever they entered a room. It really was a very bad resolution. You just get on with your hate fest and gorge on every real and imagined fault of our manager.

    I have never encountered anyone with such a warped way of using stats – except in politics. You constantly present the odd ‘fact’ and then frequently try to present opinions as ‘facts’ and draw immensely wide ranging and illogically twisted conclusions that I was sure you must be a member of the Cabinet.
    The only thing that might raise a difficulty with your credentials is your capacity for hatred, loathing and vitriol. Particularly a certain middle ranking club manager who just must have sold his soul to the devil in order to toally destroy our club.
    Being a Newcastle supporter is hard enough given the eejits who have owned and allegedly run our club in recent years and the semi detached and disinterested owner we have now without having to endure the diatribes you post so I shall just ignore you in future and hope you don’t have a blood pressure problem or anger management problem in real life.

  • 188 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:44 PM

    Mister tuff, John hall said he sold to ashley because he convinced him he would do well for nufc. So he’s contradicting himself if he’s saying that clothes sales was ashleys sole or main reason.

  • 189 Mister Tuff // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:51 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie full quote is :-
    ““I was told that the man behind the deal was Mike Ashley and I sat with his representatives over three days thrashing out a deal. I was keen to know why they wanted the club and they were quite honest. They wanted to market their sports goods in the Far East and would use the club to help do this.”
    Note -no suggestion that the clothes sales would be the “sole or main reason”.
    So it would appear therefore no contradictions from SJH.

  • 190 sparky55 // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:52 PM

    lads…does it matter what he did or didn’t say when talking to Sir John…the facts are he is using it as a Sports Direct advertising hoarding, and his actions do back up that fact he’s not interested in winning anything, and the manager will remain in charge until such time his debt is paid off because when it comes to puppets Pardew is the best.

    Its a win-win for Ashley and a lose-lose for the fans…but have faith lads…one day it will change

  • 191 lesh // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:54 PM

    Ciaran.

    You’re on a real downer and a suggestion that might just put a smoke on your face.

    1 – find an old fashioned mangle;

    2 – place your nether regions between the rollers;

    3 – brace yourself;

    4 – slowly turn the roller handle forwards and

    5 – feel the smile forming……..

    You’ll feel much much better for the experience!

    Enjoy

  • 192 Marty-Toon // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:57 PM

    Our squad wasn’t great under KK or SBR
    Our first team wasn’t either tbh
    Can’t remember how many times Warren “can’t defend”Barton made runs up the pitch lost the ball and we lost the game
    He could attack but our defence was a shambles for years
    O’Brien or Bramble,there was always one weak link or more.
    When we were flyin high in the league we still didn’t have great strength in depth.
    But we certainly had a lot more fight in us than under Mr. The ref had the whistle to his backside,the ground wasn’t full enough to get a win,pre match dinner was a bit tasteless

  • 193 colwell // Jan 4, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    Getting beat at home to Cardiff isn’t all bad at least now we can concentrate on the league. We can finish 8th now, Yeah how great at least that way we don’t have to worry about European football hindering our chances of a mid table finish next season and the one after…..

    We really are just making up the numbers, in the Prem and cup games.

  • 194 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:00 AM

    lesh – @190 -do you recommend wearing a gimp mask when carrying out your exercise routine.

  • 195 Marty-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:12 AM

    It’s not all bad losing to Cardiff ,no it’s not.
    As many and Pards have said,the team put out today should been strong enough to win,they as pro players should be disgusted at the lack of fight and effort that some of them give.
    We as loyal fans will continue to love it when we win a few games and get disappointed when we lose games we should be winning but things won’t change for a long time at the Toon.
    We’ll sell and buy good players but just not enough to challenge the big boys so I for one need to lower my expectations.
    We’ve a good team,a mediocre manager and an owner that has us debt free and we play in the PL.
    Not sure if I can be happy with that but I can’t really do anything about it as I’ll always support my club

  • 196 Marty-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    Would be nice to get a point against City but it’d probably be nice to not lose by a cricket score also
    Checking out,later lads

  • 197 70TWO // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:21 AM

    Just seen highlights of the game, good goal for Cisse. Their first was a blinder but Mbiwa could have closed down the inside channel and made him go towards the corner. Haidara lost Campbell at the set piece rather easily, although can wonder why Saylor was not in front of goal.

  • 198 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:24 AM

    If you want to cheer yersels up amd you have Sky Sports
    12.45 tomorrow Celtic v St Mirren – 2 of our lads playing
    Adam Campbell and Conor Newton both Geordies and 2 good’uns.
    All together now – C’MON YOU BUDDIES

  • 199 matclarke4000 // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:34 AM

    Don’t worry lads and lasses, the mighty, mighty Cumbrians will knock out the Mackems tomorrow!

  • 200 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:20 AM

    Pardew doesn’t like us to qualify for Europa. Cups are not a priority. No money available to sign anyone with Joke K incharge.

    Wonder what are we playing for season after season? Mid table finish every season will keep Ashley delighted.

  • 201 Anita the Legend // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:24 AM

    Remember

    Are you mad?
    Chris was a Yes-man?
    Pardew is NOT?!

    Hahahaha! You’re a bit if a wrong-un aren’t you?

  • 202 lesh // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:26 AM

    Mister Tuff.

    If a gimp mask helps Ciaran see things in a positive light, then in his case yes, wearing one is essential.

  • 203 Sav // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:28 AM

    If that was Obertan’s last chance to prove himself, perhaps it was worth missing out on the FA for another year.

  • 204 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:47 AM

    Anita @200
    That’ the problem with this blog – people read what they want to see and make no attempt to understand the content. I made no attempt to say that AP is not a yes man, it was not an opinion. I was merely reminding an earlier poster of a fact – when AP replaced Houghton it was reported that Ashley wanted a manager with more of a say.
    There are way too many on the blog that allow their emotions to cloud logic and they believe what they want.

  • 205 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:56 AM

    Toto @ 186
    Totally agree – too many drug through facts in an attempt to fuel their narrow minded, one sided argument. I an not even sure if they can be classified as ‘supporters’ as all they do is knock the club..
    Mackems have less negative things to say about NUFC that some of the posters on the blog, which frustrates the hell out of me.

  • 206 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:57 AM

    Letch

    You’re a sad individual.

  • 207 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM

    Remember

    Why are you positive? On what do you base your positivity? I look at us and we are a team that is happy to plod along, Chris Houghton was sacked because he couldn’t control the likes of Nolan, Barton and Enrique who kept saying things like the club lacked ambition etc Pards was bought in to be a YES man but only YES to Ashley. In his first press conference he said that he’d bang on Ashley’s door to get the investment when needed, well this summer he was banging on about getting 2 more bodies after Remy on loan…..We ended up with nothing (He’s was bought here under a lie and has lied to us every week with his warped assessment of matches)

  • 208 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:17 AM

    Just to put things in perspective – sometimes managers just need a bit of time and understanding; not that I’m sticking up for AP, more to remind the fact that all teams go through bad periods.

    “In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring “Three years of excuses and it’s still crap … ta-ra Fergie.” was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[51][52] Ferguson later described December 1989 as “the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game”, as 0United ended the decade just outside the relegation zone.[53][54]
    However, Ferguson later revealed that the board of directors had assured him that they were not considering dismissing him. Although naturally disappointed with the lack of success in the league, they understood the reasons for the sub-standard results (namely the absence of several key players due to injury) and were pleased with the way that Ferguson had reorganised the club’s coaching and scouting system.”

  • 209 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:20 AM

    As I stated earlier can any of Pards supporters please explain to me why we lose more games from winning positions than any other team in the league? The intention was to see the game out at 1-0 and once again we got caught out. BTW the Stoke game it the only game this season that we’ve won after going behind, that’s because they had 9 men!! That tells me that during 90 mins Pards is totally inept tactically to alter things, we cant defend leads (We are a defensive team) and we refuse to kill teams….Can any of you explain this?

  • 210 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:28 AM

    Fergie was given time but he came to Man Utd from Aberdeen where he won things, Pards has won Manager of the Season, that’s his trophy Cabinet as a manager, he’s got more teams relegated than he’s actually won something in management!!

    When he lets the team play attacking football, like Chelsea this season when we went 442 instead of 451 at home we actually achieve and get results but too often we take a lead and then try to hold on. The season we finished 5th we played some really good attacking football, currently its only our Defenders that we pick out as consistently good, Remy has gone off the boil, it says to me that Pards is stopping this team from reaching its potential not leading this squad to good things.

  • 211 89Norcal // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:31 AM

    I’m glad we lost a third straight. This blog was getting do lovey-dovey anyways

  • 212 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    Our Toon @ 206
    Why am I so positive? I’m not…….. I have been a fan for 40+ years ( was there when we won the Fairs cup) and hurt when the team lose as much as anyone.
    I simply don’t think it is as simple as others would like to make out. The club is a business and needs to be managed in a responsible way. We have a great team, a great stadium and in general a great fan base. I can appreciate the fact that we are strong financially and not headed the way of the likes of Leeds, Coventry etc.
    AP was voted manager of the year by his peers (ie those who know the game inside out) two years ago and I just don’t understand how some fans can feel that they know better.
    I DO believe that if you are to be a supporter (of anything) you have to do what you can to help the team , and it frustrates me that so many do their utmost to bring the team down .

  • 213 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:41 AM

    Remember

    I love your optimism and its good that you have it along with others on here, I’m probably what you’d call a Doom & Gloom fan currently and have been since Pards should have got the sack last season….Both sides have reasonable arguments when aired in the proper manner. Pards was the best manager in the PL the season we finished 5th just as he was the worst manager in the PL for last season. The thing that really bugs me is that he has no knowledge of tactics, if we are losing he will revert to default setting of hoofball, we cant hold leads yet we are a defensive team, if he has less than 5 days to prepare a team for a game 8/10 times we lose.

    He makes excuses and consistently talks about how we were in control of the game until the opposition scored, someone should tell him that just because we scored and want to hang on doesn’t mean the opposition want to do the same, Cardiff could have settled for the draw today but there new young manager wanted the win!!

  • 214 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:41 AM

    Good read tonight, gents.

    If you aren’t in the Champions League places, haven’t won a cup, or been relegated, all you can hope for is the simple basis on why football is so great, attacking football with flair and passion. Martinez and Wenger have the right idea.

    Unfortunately, we have an owner and manager who are void of this simple and basic piece of positivity.

    Ashley only wants mediocrity and limited expense in order to advertise his capitalist brand. Pardew is helping him achieve just that by being dull and average at very best.

    Graham Carr is keeping the club ticking over with low cost international players, not Ashley, as his expenditure remains scarce as ever.

    The propoganda which the silver haired puppet spins, whether he fully realises it or not, doesn’t matter. What matters to Ashley is his company, and the accumulation of more money. Just like the corrupt government and social class structure, created by people in power simply to make more money and manipulate those under them in the pyramid.

    Ashley’s lack of footballing ambition is therefore no surprise when his sole pursuit is monetary gain.

    Football, however, is about enjoyment, putting on a show and doing the best you can with a smile on your face.

    It is the most draining time I’ve had as a toon fan in all the years I’ve supported the team, relegations and previously poor managers included. Do you wonder why ‘only’ 30,000 turned up, Alan?

    I wish Ashley was gone and he can take his slimey drinking buddies with him.

  • 215 Offkey // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM

    Pardew is still in my good books. I was expecting a much more painful season and some good form against decent opposition has bought Pardew time, at least with me.

    I was all for sacking at the back end of last season but I think he has shown some good signs this year. I would also expect any mid season dismissal to lead to Kinnear’s appointment.

  • 216 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:46 AM

    Out toon,
    “Fergie was given time …” Yes, I understand that he had own things in Scotland before but my point is that his Man. Utd team at the time were terrible and the fans wanted to get rid of him.
    No-one was complaining about AP two seasons ago when the team over-performed with a limited squad – now that we have probably the strongest squad. in recent history and have beaten Chelsea, man Utd and Spurs some tag him as being the worst manager of all time.
    I just don’t follow the logic .

  • 217 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:58 AM

    “I DO believe that if you are to be a supporter (of anything) you have to do what you can to help the team , and it frustrates me that so many do their utmost to bring the team down”

    If you want to help/support the team then force change in getting rid of Ashley and the puppets, at the moment we as fans are fueling the disappointments by consistently paying to watch a defensively organised team with wingers who babysit for there full backs!!

    The writings been on the wall since the Stoke game, if they kept 11 on the pitch we’d be talking about 4 straight defeats not 3. This is the best squad we’ve had in years its just unfortunate that we have a Muppet in charge of picking it weekly, We’ve lost Colo and Cabaye to injury because he refused to rotate players, the list is just never ending with Pards. Cisse Scored and you’d think great got his confidence back against Stoke then he doesnt appear for the next 2 games…Yet Shola gets a game!! Chairmen are going for young managers, up and coming managers, Martinez (who’ll be on par with us when it comes to spend at Everton) Pochettino (Southampton) Laudrup (Swansea) Gus Poyet (SCUM) Poyet will keep them up as well (He’s played Pards 3 times and beat him on all three occasions with a weaker team than ours) Brendan Rodgers, Solskjaer (Guided Molde to first ever championship win defended following season and won cup last season) We are stuck with Pards (Highest League finish 5th) never won a significant trophy…..and won Manager of the year for finishing 5th.

    Pards the guy who played Carlos Tevez LW so Carlton Cole can play through the middle, the fella who dropped Mascherano & refused to play him, the guy who guided Tevez to his worst goal less spell in football. Tevez said it best (Pards is a great guy but he had no idea how to best utilize me)

  • 218 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:59 AM

    Pro Ashley and Pardew Brigade photographed at the match;

    http://hiartmagazine.com/12-summer-2011/Race%20and%20Racism/go-team.jpg

  • 219 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:02 AM

    Our toon @212
    I do believe that last season was more down to injuries and lack of squad depth rather than bad management. There were many games where our entire starting midfield were injured and we were left with kids on the bench.
    AP was criticized at the time for overplaying the long ball, but to me that is a standard tactic when you know your opposition have a superior midfield that you need to bypass.
    Don’t forget the number of recruits that were brought in last Jan to deal with this.
    As for sitting on leads, I’m not convinced that this is not more the case of the opposition changing their tactics rather than AP telling the guys to sit back.
    Besides, Wenger changed to a 5 man defense to protect their lead when Arsenal beat us but no-one is saying he is a bad manager or tactically inept for doing so.

  • 220 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:12 AM

    Remember

    We got great results against Spurs, Chelsea and Man Utd, you are quite right to point this out. The flip side to that argument is:

    Spurs: Krul won us the game at Spurs (We sat back and got murdered in that 2nd half trying to protect a lead)

    Man Utd: We played very well as a team and for once pards admitted he got it wrong by changing going 442 against Swansea but how much of a difference would a Rooney or a half fit RVP have been against us? We were lucky we played them when we did.

    Chelsea: We played well, Pards was on a losing streak with talk of he might lose his job, he was brave that day and changed it to go 442 and we won because the team was more adventurous, for once we concentrated on our strengths rather than the oppositions.

    Fast forward to recent defeats or form, we played stoke at home, went 451 and struggled at home until the reds came, then played Arsenal and decided to go 451 again, instead of attacking Arsenal we tried to contain them and pinch a goal (at home) we then change to 442 for WBA away (Caretaker Manager in charge) this after we gained maximum pts playing 451 away from home…..we lost!! how many wins this season have come from individual brilliance?

  • 221 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:22 AM

    Remember

    Enjoying this debate….Wenger Changed to a 5 man defence because we were lumping it into there box, tactically he got it spot on and here is why this is different, He ensured that they would win the 2nd ball by purely having numbers at the back….We don’t change the formation but use the same personnel to sit back and invite pressure. Big difference there, Wenger trusted his defensive players to see the game out, Pards doesn’t trust his players to finish games off. Wenger has utilised this tactic once this season, we try it every game we take the lead in.

    Examples: Norwich at home this season HT 2-0 we were hanging on at the end.
    WBA (Home) 1-0 HT Wonder goal won it but we were hanging on in the 2nd half.
    Spurs 1-0 HT playing some good football, hanging on for entire 2nd half
    Reading (Last Season) Winning 1-0 end up losing 2-1
    Hull City – Winning 2-1 HT end up losing 3-2
    Today winning 1-0 end up losing 2-1

    I can give you at least 10 more examples

  • 222 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:25 AM

    OK, let’s assume we can get rid of Ashley & Pardew. Then what???
    Is your assumption that a new owner would invest in the team and the successful young manager you crave for?
    How can you be so sure that we wouldn’t end up with a Venkey/type owner and end up the same way as Blackburn?
    At least Ashley is trying to run the club in a fiscally responsible fashion and I truly believe is building toward the future.
    Some have said this is the strongest squad we have ever had – that is based on smart investments (albeit due to the expertise of Carr ).
    I personally feel the jury is out on management and only time will tell. I just think we have to be careful for what we wish for and nay end up jumping from the frying pan and into the fire.

  • 223 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:28 AM

    As for injuries that you’ve highlighted on 218 for last season, We had qualified for next phase of EL when Pards decided he’d start HBA at home to Maritimo, he got injured in that game and didnt returned for 1 game fulham away scored and got injured again, the same player was then bought back to play against Anzi 2 mths later on a plastic pitch, this damaged him even more and he was a gone for the season!! Look at this season, over xmas period he had players he could have used but decided that the same players would consistently play, now cabaye is out with an Achillies problem and colo is also out for 4-6 weeks. The guy doesnt know how to use his squad thats what led to injuries, not because we had a weak squad, the kids could have got us through the groups.

  • 224 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:46 AM

    Thats my main issue with fans who fear the unknown, we currently have an owner who everyone says runs us in a fiscally responsible way, well he also uses us for free advertising which would amount to £15m / £20m a season how can the club, clubs supposed to be self sufficient no wonder players aren’t being signed. The more successful we are on the pitch the more investment we will require to compete, something the owner clearly doesn’t want.

    Just like we can end up with a Venky we could easily end up with an Abramovitch or a Mansoor, it is the unknown but I’d prefer to look at an unknown positively rather than what we know!! Carr is wasting his time, he had a fall out with Pards over transfers which is why JFK has been bought in, Pards wanted more of a say and apparently Carr feels as though Pards doesnt utilise the players in the correct way!!

    Like a victim we fear the oppressor and are scared of change, a victim of such regimes is always scared of the unknown (better the devil you know) well I’ve seen enough to know change is required.

    Andy Carroll has never been replaced and he left 2/3 years ago, we still dont have a forward who can hold the ball up, Ba sold and replaced by Remy (LOAN) he doesnt even belong to us yet we will pay £5m for his services over the season!! With a Striker being priority and especially considering we are so short in that position, you’d think we would have identified our targets in the lead up to this window with bids being placed etc. the fact that it’s the 5th today and still no sign of much needed reinforcements is quite shocking. The window opened in Jan but we could have had someone in place before the window opened, bit like Bayern have done with Lewondowski (Signed, Sealed, Delivered in the summer)

  • 225 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:48 AM

    Our toon,
    It is common practice for the outside mids to help cover the full backs – this is not an AP tactic and certainly not due to mistrust of his defense. How far they drop back is driven by the appetite of the opposition to drive forward. It is logical that this would happen more once a team goes behind as they can no longer play conservatively as they need to throw numbers forward to chase the game.
    If it were a standard AP tactic to have the team sit back on a lead would that explain the 3-0 win at Palace?
    I do agree that perhaps the team set up to take less risk once ahead but if AP set up to play defensively and protect a lead as you suggest his substitutions would reflect that (eg bringing on an extra defender in place of a striker).
    The fact that he has been bringing on (more attacking) Ben Arfa for the more defensive-minded Goufran seems to contradict the sitting back argument.
    You may have seen more games than me (I’m in the US now) but I will say the media over here praise our team strength and tactics in general.
    I will say after watching both Arsenal & WBA matches that the games could have gone either way and the fact that Wenger resorted to 5 at the back indicates his respect for our attack (like you say, he hasn’t done so in other games).
    It’s fine we have difference of opinions – perhaps mine is driven by a thick skin from supporting the team for so long ;-)

  • 226 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:55 AM

    Our toon,
    If a Abramovitch or a Mansoor wanted to buy the club they would so so whether the fans want Ashley out or not. The fact that no billionaire is biting MA’s hand off leads me to believe if forced out he would have to sell at a discount price, and to owners who may be more likely to sell rather than buy. You bet I’m afraid coz the chances are it wouldn’t be pretty.
    I bel

  • 227 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:00 AM

    Darn sensitive iPad…..
    I believe the Caroll funds were invested in the French players (fees plus salaries etc) and for me I believe our squad is stronger for it.
    BTW – as for the advertising…..if I paid 100+ million for a club I’d expect some free advertising, especially as I would be the owner and the money would be coming from my bottom line. Correct me if I’m wrong on this one as I feel I must be missing something.

  • 228 remember69 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    Our Toon,
    Still awake…….. I do agree with your assessment of the need for a striker who can hold the ball up. Yes, Ba was sold but this was due to a release clause in his contract and perhaps a desire on his behalf to look for greener grass.
    The Remy business is sad – we did have him lined up before big ‘Arry turned his head with more $$$$. The only blame you could put on Pardew et al is the fact they didn’t get into a bidding war and offer him even more money to play for us (at the expense of unsettling other senior players).
    Let’s hope AP/JK can bring in players to strengthen our weakest areas this month but let’s face it – those players have to be better than what we have now, be available at the right price and have a desire to come here. Gone are the days where our management sign marquee players just to keep the fans happy (remember Michael Owen?) and that is something we have to live with.

  • 229 toonincheek // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:17 AM

    remember -

    What you are missing, perhaps, is that MAs empire and NUFC are supposed to be separately accounted for.

  • 230 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:18 AM

    Remember

    The issue with wanting free advertising is that its acceptable if its a couple of advertising boards but the entire ground is plastered with SD and more recently Firetrap (acquired by MA). People around MA have consistently talked about being self sufficient, taking away £15m-£20m a year from a club is not something small, Citeh on the other hand got £100m for Etihad Sponsorship a company that Mansoor has majority stake hold in. Just doesnt sit right with me.

    The reason no one wants to bite the owners hand off is because he wants something daft like £250m for the club, a club that doesnt even own the ground we play on, he got ripped off and others arent as daft as him, he has no incentive to sell though, soon the same ppl will get sucked into the lies of investment etc only for them to renew season tickets and then no investment is put forth into personnel.

    Next season will be very different, Cabaye will leave, HBA will probably leave as we have offered him a new deal which runs out at the end of next season, our 2 creative sparks in the team, replaced by cheaper alternatives with the hope we get lucky, Cabaye’s contract clause was unknown to the likes of Wenger who thought he’d agreed to sign for Real Madrid. Ben Arfa forced the move by flying here. Lack of ambition leads us to becoming a stepping stone to greener pastures

  • 231 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:33 AM

    Remember

    We could have had Remy, probably should have tied it all up in December and presented him on 1st Jan 2013 however we penny pinched as we’ve done with Luuk De Jong, Aubumang (joined Dortmund) could have signed him in Jan with the agreement he moves in the summer window, thinking out of the box. It seems as if the window gets here, we penny pinch and then others march in and take players, we’ve seen with Cabaye signing that its easy to do it quickly but we hesitate over a few hundred thousand.

    As for AC money being spent on French Contingent and wages, well Xisco was on £50k a week, Harper, Perch (who’d have been useful yesterday) these are wages which are no longer being paid, lets just say they earned 100k a week combined…..does that mean the £4.8m that amounts to (I think) over a yr was spent on Remy? We are bottom of premier league table for net spend which is +£5m. A manager who repeatedly says we can’t compete with the likes of Southampton and Swansea in the transfer market!! Its good to have balanced views though and I respect your view, really sleepy now mate but look forward to reading your reply tomorrow.

  • 232 shanghai fan // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:22 AM

    Might low attendance be partly due to Christmas/ny spending and not the brightest year economically?

  • 233 Ron Knee // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:57 AM

    I don’t like the way 2014 is shaping up: 5-0 whitewash in the Ashes!

  • 234 JAMSHA // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:08 AM

    ausi ausi ausi oi oi oi 5-0 howays

  • 235 gaz 44 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    It’s been a while since I’ve been on and read posts by catchy.. We must be on a losing run

  • 236 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM

    Remember…I think you played football yourself way before modern football was introduced ;)

    It is one of the seven sins of modern football to double up on a player defensively. That means the fullback takes care of his own – there will be no babysitting because it creates so many other problems.

    Neither should the fullback ever move inside to mark a player to free up a center back.

    On of the most important aspects of modern football is forward thinking fullbacks – these are the ones who are doing the crosses and the make sure you have more players in and around the box and at the same time crowd the midfield.

    What you are describing is just another British 4-4-2. It has is moments as well, but it demands alot of stamina and certain players who are hard to by these days. Plus it is very weak against technical teams who move the ball around and press high. Way to much negative running!

  • 237 Malta Mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    Micheal Laudrup, Paul Lambert, David Moyes, Martin Jol and even our own Chris Hughton all reaching the reality zone and yet these same managers were being put forward as alternatives to Alan Pardew? Unless you manage one of the elite then you are going to have your ups and downs as with life in general. We haven’t gone from beating Chelsea, Man U and Spurs to the situation we find ourselves in at present, because Alan Pardew is a bad manager. This is simply one of those spells when you have to batten down the hatches and have faith. We’ll come again and if you were a realist from the start of the season then you knew that we would finish 6-8th in the division. Below that position would be disappointing and above a real bonus. Following Newcastle is a love affair and in any great love affair it’s a roller coaster ride lads.




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