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Frenchman Again Tops Our Man Of The Match Poll

2:43 pm, Sunday, January 5th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 426 Comments

Ben Arfa has again topped our Man of the Match poll for yesterday’s shocking defeat against Cardiff City which give the visitors only their second win in the last eleven games, and to think they did that at St. James’ Park too. 🙁

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Hatem Ben Arfa – in action yesterday

Ben Arfa has 44% of the vote, and it seems whenever he starts a game, he ends up topping our poll, and Papiss Cisse, who had his first start in eons yesterday and scored a very good opportunist goal to put Newcastle in the lead – is second.

And young Massadio Haidara is third in the poll, and this lad will be pushing Davide Santon for the rest of the season for that starting left back position at Newcastle.

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426 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Dennis Twice // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:54 PM


  • 2 HBA.10 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    hba vs stoke

  • 3 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:55 PM


    you are obviously very selective in your reading then.
    if you weren’t you will see I have always given praise and criticism where it’s due.

    Right now normal service has been resumed as i knew it would be as pardew lacks the nous an intelligence to turn a good situation in to an excellent one.


    I wasn’t being cocky but you seem to have trouble understanding the indisputable points people raised and validating your own.

  • 4 nufc7lad // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM


    Only four Everton players would get into our first X1. That means 7 of ours would get into theirs

    I still believe we can finish above them
    They just have 2 truly world class players and a world class manager
    but we have neither
    but overall i think we have much more quality as opposed to them and i think we can pip them the 7th and europa 🙂

  • 5 theartfuldodger // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    We look like a club relying on luck for anything above 10th.

    Transfers based on luck. Wait and hope for a club to give in.
    (and no we dont do our business in jan)
    I agree with one of the comments that were always 2-3 players short. Despite options of loans and < 10m players around.
    If we are gonna use the bargain and wait tactic then do it in spain belgium too, why only france.

    Even in games we take the lead and rely on luck by sitting back. Interesting point made yesterday how the same players in the same formation suddenly drop off and sit back.

  • 6 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:00 PM


    McCarthy, Barkley and Coleman would all get in our team, and Howard is as good a keeper, if not better, than Krul.

  • 7 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    With Pardew we will always die wondering.

  • 8 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Ed why so many non-story articles so close to each other? It disrupts the conversations here.

    The last time I post this lads don’t worry 🙂


    Transfer Sage- To an extent I agree on your Pardew assessment also. Pardew does tend to sit back on a one goal lead and that is infuriating. We can do better, but remember can do so much worse as it is Ashley who will decide what manager to bring in, and honestly his football decisions scare the hell out of me. Better the devil you know I guess. Tbf to Pardew he hasn’t had the luxury of a Shearer upfront like some of our past managers have had and we still beat Man U at Old Trafford this season with this current squad, without a proper out and out striker. We can’t compare our forward line to the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal as they have quality in abundance. We have a more than a decent squad that just needs that extra bit of tweaking to make it a huge success, if only Ashley could see that.

    We need more of a goal threat and now more than ever without Demba Ba and a goal shy Cisse. I would also like to see us have a Roberto Martinez type of manager that doesn’t sit back on a one goal lead but he ain’t going anywhere soon so let’s focus on what we need and what can be improved on and that is our squad of players. All this negativity around Pardew is a bit over-dramatic I feel as only recently we were doing really well beating the top 4 and giving them a right go. We even drew level with Liverpool with 10 men on the field for an entire half, I can’t remember the last time we did something like that.

    It’s easy to point the finger at Pardew because he plays it safe way too many times but you can’t hide the fact he has improved our team in general and we are slowly improving under him. If we could make bigger strides forward under another manager is open to question but until his contract is up we’ll have to put up with him I am afraid.

    I dream of the day Strolla leaves and we sign a proper ST that scores and creates ffs. That will be the day. Too long has he kept us back and too long managers have been deceived and folled into thinking he is a ‘footballer’ let alone a ‘striker’ to score goals and take us up the league.

    We lack the layers and never have fully recovered since the great Alan Shearer left us. Owen was supposed to be the answer and we all know how that twat sent us back years.

    As I mentioned we keep shooting ourselves in the foot and it’s so frustrating to watch. Now that we have the pacey Bellamy type player we needed in Remy he’s only here on loan and we’ll probably have to look again at the end of the season. The same happened with Carroll and Demba Ba although Carroll is an exception as I would have taken that money too, it was a crazy bid from Liverpool that did us a huge favour tbh, look at the great squad we have now because of it.

    STs and CAMs is what we need to take us to the next level so let’s pray that Ashley delivers this January.

    PS Sorry for the very long post.

  • 9 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Oh and this and that’s it honest lol


    Rotonda – Marveaux really is a mystery as he was doing the business only to be left out of the cold ala Anita. The thing with Anita is that he hasn’t stopped trying to impress Pardew and maybe Marveaux has in training. Who knows? I really do wonder what the deal is with him as I like him as a CAM. Though sometimes he does go missing in games. We can’t really blame Pardew on that one as we don’t know the full strory, maybe his attitude stinks?

    What I hate about Pardew is his reliance on Strolla. Last season it was with Gutierrez, and that was obviously not our best option. This year thankfully Strolla hasn’t featured as much, but the fact is he shouldn’t be anywhere near our team. The same goes with Obertan. The guy is also useless. Makes me look like a football superstar. We need to get rid of this dead wood and there is no point risking playing them to put them in the ‘shopwindow’ if it’s going to cost us points!

    The sooner we get rid of them players the sooner we’ll improve and move forward.

    Just imagine if we replaced them with Carr’s recommended players.

  • 10 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    I couldn’t see the match v Cardiff but from what I heard Haidara was in thick of everything in attack and defense, so my vote goes to him.

  • 11 mindshaft // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    I imagine most people voting on this didn’t actually see the game yesterday and are simply vote ng for hba because they’ve read he hit the bar / post – in truth it was the same old hba basically playing for himself when others were better placed – if he actually knew when to pass rather than trying to take on another player he could be world class, as it is we can’t afford to have him in the team as a starter

  • 12 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    Ben Ten for me. He tries even if he does not always succeed, unlike the big duck egg, Sissoko.

    As for Saylor, at least he told it how it was, unlike Pardew who claimed we were the better side, adding more bizarre excuses to his repertoire: “science” and the ref putting his whistle to his mouth and confusing his players by not blowing. Excruciatingly embarrassing, Alan!

  • 13 magpie6699 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    mindshaft – inclined to agree about HBA yesterday – and I was at the game too. He had some great moments in the first half but after that very little. `he didn’t seem to put himself in positions where he could be fed the ball as much as I would like. I would put Hairdryer and Tiote ahead of him – although the bast players were probably Williamson and Cabaye for mot being part of that shambles!

  • 14 mindshaft // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    Pard’s is going nowhere, his target set by Ashley was top ten and we’ll probably manage that.
    Let’s face it, Ashley is not going to splash out on a new manager anytime soon, Pard’s is cheap and doesn’t ask for money for players and although he’s not the most tactically aware or have the team playing expansive freeflowing football he’s a safe pair of hands
    We should gave gone for Martinez who would be a puppet but have us playing better football

  • 15 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:16 PM


    the difference is that Everton have a manager who gets the best out of his players while Pardew is only capable of getting bare minimum out of his

  • 16 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    Alan Pardew has now full weeks to visit Bars and pick up chicks.

  • 17 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM


    the science one is the best yet !!

  • 18 belgrade fan // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    Demba Ba not even on the bench today. Really killing his career. We should take him back

  • 19 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Difference between Everton and us. Is the manager.

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM


    good points there

    I know pardew is in this for the long haul, as although i don’t like his style, other than last season he has done what has been expected of him by the club.

    I agree better players would help us as even i wuld get better results if i had a better squad surely.

    I don’t know how much better we’d be under martinez, i just think stability is fine but where is the excitement and real progression? Sometimes it’s nice to just make a change to see what happens, good or bad…providing the change is well planned out it has every chance to succeed, as much as it has to fail anyway.

    And if i wanted stability i’d be an arsenal fan, i support newcastle as i like the rollercoaster ride, more fun being u up and down haha.

  • 21 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    JP – Don’t get carried away – Haidara played okay and showed some sign of promise.

    I’ve just been watching Adam Campbell playing for St Mirren. I’ve yet to see anything to give me an indication that he might come good. I noticed in particular that their big defender easily beat the wee ginger speed merchant for pace.

  • 22 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    Sissoko for me might be another ‘could be’ player like HBA.

    He looks the part when he is in full flow, does some really good things but there is just something missing from his game. He gets the ball caught in his feet ala Obertan and his passing leaves alot to be desired. One goal this season is a poor return as well.

    Those who compared him to Yaya Toure when he first came are way wide of the mark.

  • 23 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:22 PM


    You think Pardew will be sacked if we finished 11th 12th or 13th?

  • 24 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Rotonda – Pardew has excelled himself with those two excuses, which are from the top draw. They have something of David Icke about them!

  • 25 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Watch Barcelona vs Leche in La Copa del Rey at the moment. The pace they have all over the pitch is frightening. No one jogging around waiting for the ball, they make intelligent runs all over crying for the ball and the pace each of them have is incredible, let alone their skill.

    If only we could match those intelligent runs and inject a bit more pace in the team we could perhaps do something similar to a Barcelona B Team and that is still better than us. It would be an improvement. I watch our games and the movement and passing is horrid sometimes. No movement, no runs, no imagination. Then when we do make runs we over hit the ball and give it away, so frustrating and even more painful when you see so many teams do it so easily.

    That’s not a dig at Pardew as that has been happening for more than 5 years at least. So sad.

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Now that Solksjaer is no longer an option, would have been very good mind, who is there now out there.

    I know it won’t happen but just for fun. Ie modern, progressive, footballing, good to watch, play to win, expansive, passing style etc:-

    I’ll start us off

    Billy Davies
    Maguire (Burnley)

  • 27 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:26 PM


    You must be psychic!!

    Notice also how science is against him personally, not the team!

  • 28 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Bill-son – Ben Ten is so much better than Sissoko. One never hides whereas the other tries his best to.

  • 29 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM


    By saying “top of the class” in a condescending manner trust me, you were being cocky!!

    So which points have I not taken on board, I’m all ears?

  • 30 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    It’s amazing that Pardew was left ‘Bemused’ by yesterday’s defeat as there is nothing to be bemused about, we simply weren’t good enough to win.

    We’ve gained the amount of points that should be expected with the squad we have and victories over some of the big boys have papered over the cracks of the shocking performances against the likes of Swansea, Hull and Everton to name but a few and after yet another limp exit at at the first attempt in the FA cup highlights the obvious failings of the manager we have

  • 31 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:28 PM


    Would love to go down the spanish route, even Wenger now gets german and spanish players, hardly a french player left at arsenal now. So yesterday.

  • 32 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM


    sorry I forgot i wrote that. apologies

  • 33 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    TS- I’ve been on the rollercoaster ride of NUFC for too long now and quite frankly I am getting really sick of it lol. I love it at times as it keeps us on our toes and you never know what to expect from NUFC. But if we ever want to become successful we have to have some stability to progress and stop the extreme lows from happening on such a regular basis.

    I just wish Ashley opens his eyes and wallet this window or the next and goes for real glory. Surely it can’t be that hard to win a cup? Champions League is also within our grasp if only… but that is the biggest word in football- ‘IF’ :/

  • 34 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Rotonda heights

    It doesn’t matter who’s out there as an obvious better option to Pardew as Ashley will never install a manager with a voice of his own.

    A club of this stature and standing should have been in the mix for the Rodgers, Laudrup, Martinez etc etc but that is never gonna happen hence the eight year contract, which is such a shame as with one simple change everything could be so much better

  • 35 Tinman // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    HBA man of the match? He was just walking around in the second half, not the first time he has done it either

  • 36 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:32 PM


    His very modest target was top 10 so yes he should be if he doesn’t attain that.

    Trouble is he can finish 16th every season and ash won’t pay him off.

  • 37 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Discussions about new managers are absolutely pointless for 2 reasons:

    1) Mid-table and out of the cups is exactly where Ashley wants us to be, therefore Pardew is exactly what MA wants.

    2) No other semi-decent manager would even consider working under Ashley, and even if they did, they wouldn’t work under him for long.

    Discussions about transfer targets are equally pointless.

  • 38 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Rotonda – I noticed that. However, if I was psychic, I’d would know whether he had a particular scientific discipline in mind or whether it was just science in general that was against him.

    “It put my players off, a little bit, when Ole’s face turned into an alien’s in the lead up to their second goal, if I’m honest. We need to concentrate on exorcisms and we’ll be working hard in training next week on that, 100%. This is a massive club and if we’re going to perform in front of 50,000 fans, we will have to deal with purple alien scenarios much better than we did today.”

  • 39 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    There’s no way Bill Davies is an upgrade on Pardew.

  • 40 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM


    99.9% of what is discussed on here is pointless in one way or another as nothing is going to change, not the owner, director of football, manager, tactics, wasted sub’s…………………..nothing!

    It was best put by Talking Head’s when they said – “We’re on a road to nowhere”

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM


    No i don’t, cant see him sacked unless relegated really….unless he speaks his mind, then he might be.


    Yeh I know the feeling, stability I think isn’t just manager, we need a proper system through the club, everyone on the ball following a plan laid down by Ashley/whoever he has right at the top. Somebody to come in and say we will play this way, then run the players, coaches, manager, academy all on that system…like ajax or barca do, only small changes…also swansea.


    Ashley is not the perfect owner for a manager to work under but look at others around the world, get far worse so i’m sure we could get a decent manager, not a top top proven one, but a very promising/younger guy with modern, fresh ideas

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM


    anything else to talk about

  • 43 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Agree that there are plenty of managers, who are far better than Pardew, that would jump at the chance of managing our club, the reality however is that Ashley will never go for one of them as Pardew ticks all the boxes for him

  • 44 manxpie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    billy davies!! haha is that because his team have just spanked west hams youth team rotonda?
    gotta be a joke?
    and seriously how many of you have watched molde play?
    to have such a judgement on solskjer?
    and wat is the norwegian top league like?
    about our league 1 i’d imagine

  • 45 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    About this CABELLA rumour, I see him as a more talented player than Cabaye. The only reason Cabaye is ahead of him in the France setup is because he is currently playing in one of the best leagues in the world. I think if we were lucky enough to get him then I would like to think he would play alongside Cabaye. Why do we always assume he will ‘replace’ another player similar to him?

    I think Pardew recognizes that Tiote is too one dimensional, too defensive and we need that extra bit of invention and killer pass to open up defenses. It would be like having two Cabaye’s in the middle. I still feel that we need a proper winger also and I would go for Thauvin, Tom Ince or Sinclaire, (preferably Thauvin). But Striker is our necessity as the moment and Strolla can’t even be considered a Footballer let alone a Striker, as sad as it is, it’s the truth, and sympathy gets you nowhere in football.

  • 46 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM


    We could talk about Ashes 😉

  • 47 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    I dont get it are we having two MoM polls for this chronic mess? I think most of us would want to put this behind us and start the worrying about the Citeh game in earnest. 🙂

    Another thing – afaik there were only the goal highlights on the telly, which ony showed HBAs postie as a non-goal bit of action so does that mean everyone who voted was at the game?

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM


    Love it…….!

  • 49 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:48 PM


    lets not !!!!

    Oh ok then, can we have Tom Moody as next England team manager

  • 50 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:48 PM


    Even if we got this young manager with fresh ideas, as soon as he’d proven himself in the league he’d be off to get a better job at a club who actually wants to achieve.

    Also, this young player would have to be spineless enough to accept the PR drivel that is fed to us, and lacking in principle enough to make himself look like an idiot in front of the fans.

    No, Pardew is going nowhere because he is perfect blend of mediocrity and spinelessness.

  • 51 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:49 PM


    I think you’ll find Forest are promotion candidates and have allegedly played like that all season

  • 52 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    Ruddy; would you class Solksjear as a decent manager?

  • 53 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM


    from what I have heard Flower is not going anywhere.

    I am not a fan of Tom Moody. I think the job will probably go to Giles.

  • 54 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM


    Arguably, discussing the flaws of the owner and trying to influence opinion on that score in an attempt to galvanise and mobilise our fan base could actually make a difference…

    I’m joking, we’re pissing into the wind of course haha

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM


    again you miss the point. If we aren’t going to win anything anyway I’d rather watch some decent football than the deadly 3 shots on goal in 90 odd mins grind we have become.

  • 56 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM


    Honestly, I haven’t seen enough of him to judge, and winning a title in Norway means absolutely bollocks all so I couldn’t possibly say.

    Given how he played under the best manager in living memory, he may have learnt a few things, but that didn’t exactly pan out for Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Roy Keane et al so I am going to wait and see how he gets Cardiff playing before passing judgement. I don’t think he’d be much better than AP though.

  • 57 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM


    We’ve been pissing in the wind since Ashley first walked through the doors at SJP. As long as we remain in the Premier League he’s one happy little camper and has no intention of changing anything or pushing for anything more or better than what we already have

  • 58 Ron Knee // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    NUFC management definitions of:
    Progress: To be knocked out of the FA Cup by a PL side.
    Ambition: It’s January & only about 9 points needed to avoid the drop.
    Stability: Three defeats in a row & a fourth against Citeh coming soon.

  • 59 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM


    Some fans will rather forfeit cup games and would be happy with 15 boring wins and 8-9 boring draws in a 38 game season.

    It would suit pardew and Ashley to the ground.

  • 60 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    I feel once we get whacked by Man City in the weekend we will win most of the points on offer in the following three games. And the mackems are in for a thrashing! That will lift spirits and our general play on the pitch.


  • 61 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM


    We should always be demanding more as far as I am concerned. He has sapped my passion for the football side of the club, but that will change when we eventually rid him from our club and I long for that day.

    He has sullied one of the most precious things in my life, and I will never stop trying to fight him. The reason I get so irate at the likes of Bills is that he defends the man who has destroyed my love for my football team and I find that unforgivable.

  • 62 manxpie // Jan 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    rotonda my point was your gutted we havent gone for ole and you don’t have a clue how his teams play!
    but you’d rather the total unknown than pardew it seems which for me is bonkers

  • 63 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    JP from the Rock

    And if we were to have a poor transfer window followed by a home defeat to Sunderland?

  • 64 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM


    Sometimes the unknown is better than tried and failed. Hint – Pardew

  • 65 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Ciaran – All hell will break loose, but at least we won’t get relegated :/

  • 66 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:03 PM


    agree pards is going nowhere as he ticks all the boxes for the owner

    and still, i dont think the club is as bad as you make it out

  • 67 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:04 PM


    It is truly sad to see so much apathy from so many fans towards what he has done and continues to do to OUR club.

    I totally understand what you are saying as I myself have not stepped inside SJP for long time and I will not step inside there again until Ashley has gone. It may seem a very small and insignificant stand by some, but thats how I feel and it breaks my heart

  • 68 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    Ciaran- But we have to remain positive or else why bother following NUFC. If this is what to be expected for the rest of my days watching NUFC I think I’ll pack it in now. I live in hope that one day we will get it right. Hell we’ve been so close before to CL why can’t we do it again? Maybe not this season but hopefully in the near future, and who knows we might actually win something someday 🙂

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    It’s a shame we don’t try to setup our style of play in a way that potentially can make him MOTM for most games (of course he needs to be doing his part…no free ride)

    …but this staying deep, doubling up on the wingers and fullbacks tracking inside to cover for the center backs need to stop as soon as possible!

    I don’t think I have seen a team this tired for a long long time (fatigue is kicking in)

  • 70 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:10 PM


    You’re entitled to your opinion. We’re regressing, not progressing.

    Some people equate ambition with keeping your star players which is absolute nonsense. Ambition is about constantly building, developing and showing your fans you want to win.

    The club has demonstrated that there is no intention of doing well in the league, rather doing too well in the league has been seen as an inconvenience.

    We’ve been told that we don’t want the cups as confirmed by director John Irving as they are not financially beneficial.

    And we’ve been told by our own manager that he’s glad we’re not in Europe.

    You may be happy that we have a good first 11 now – though we could well see some key players in that 11 leave this summer.

    Look beyond the match-day, what exactly are you happy about?

  • 71 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM


    We don’t have to remain positive to support NUFC. I hold a firmly negative stance on the direction of the club, yet I still proudly call myself a Newcastle United supporter.

    This is not what we have to look forward to forever, only while Mike Ashley is in charge.

    Once we rid the club of Ashley, we may see ambition return to the club once more.

  • 72 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:13 PM


    it was ridiculous imo that Gouffran, a man that was out on his feet against Arsenal went on to start the next two games, it seems that rotating our squad for the xmas period came in one game and that was yesterday. stupidity from Pardew

  • 73 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM


    Should AP have played Sammy or Marveaux LW instead of Gouffran and we had lost the match, AP would have been slated for risking the cup due to playing fringe players.

    The reason Pards couldn’t really rotate a lot of our players was because our fringe players are simply not good enough.

  • 74 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM


    burning out players for the rest of the season could cost us far more than one game though. Thats where the good managers know how to manager their squads, the reason that Pardew did not rotate is simply because he has found a line up and formation that works to a certain extent and he has no idea how to change it and make it work. Thats where he has always fallen short at every single club he has ever managed.

    A fully fit Sammy is gonna be more effective than a physically and mentally knackered Gouffran

  • 75 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM


    I agree to an extent, though I do not rate Sammy at all. With better options, AP may have had more confidence rotating his squad. A matter of perspective I suppose. I put more blame on MA than I do on AP because we should have a stronger squad to compete in more than 1 competition. The fact that we haven’t is not AP’s fault.

    His mis-management of the players he has is his fault, but not the reason we lost that game.

  • 76 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    JB…yeah it does seem kinda strange. In terms of stamina it’s a demanding kinda of football the old gaffer wants to play and for some reason he is very reluctant to rotate players?

    We have had like 12 or 13 players in our 23 man squad in form; wouldn’t rather have had a whole squad more or less in form to choose from? (that’s theoretically speaking 🙂 )

  • 77 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Ciaran – As much as I dislike Ashley, we are now much more stable than we were under Freddie Shepherd. His tenure although exciting was driving us into a Rangers / Leeds, near bacnkrupcy. That’s a fact. Under Ashley, although against his first intentions surely, has cleared ‘most’ of our debt and steadied the ship somewhat. I used to hate some of the players we had before like Smith, But, Cacapa, Andersson, Guivarch, Marcelino, Geremi, Viduka and the like. All past it has beens or pre-madonnas that were taking us nowhere.

    Some people have short memories and we’ve gone a long way from then. I bet if it weren’t for Shearer we would have been relegated years ago.

    Today as it stands we have some players that are a joy to have in the team, the only thing is getting the right combination, be that the manager or playing style, but one thing you can’t argue is that we have a much better squad now than that we had way back then.

    That IS progress, even under the tight arsed Ashley, whether you like it or not.

  • 78 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM


    I don’t rate Sammy either but then again I don’t rate a knackered Gouffran, yes we should have a better squad but a better manager would know how to manager the squad we have far better than what Pardew does. Even with a fully fit best 11 on the pitch Pardew’s failing still shine through and it’s far easier to replace a manager than it is to find someone willing to spend £300 million on buying a club

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:28 PM


    Ambition isn’t keeping your players in my view, it’s ensuring you improve the team year in year out, whether it involves keeping the same players or not.

    During his time here we have gone backwards, many lower finishes than before arrived… years before him 13th, 7th, 14th, 5th, 3rd, 4th followed by 6 years after him 12th, 18th, 1st C, 12th, 5th, 16th….only 1 top ten finish compared to 4 before his arrival.

    Yes things change with some teams getting more money but in that time it’s only really man city, chelsea were already spending big when he came in.

    I don’t think the man is great for the club, think he talks a good game of balancing books and building for the future but yet to see a lot of improvements. Especially in coaching set up at all levels at the club. It’s good we will have a state of the art training facility but if the same staff not really worth it.

    I think they said the league took priority over cups, not that we didn’t want to challenge. Slightly different but could have the same meaning if being cynical/realistic depending on your view.

    I still think that under Ashley we could do very well though, I think we have a very good 11 then a good 4/5 to back that up. Same as everton but as they hired a good manager they are getting more from the players.

    The team is slowly getting stronger since we got promoted, not to the level of sir bobby or keegan’s times but still a good team which does get better every season in terms of players, just in my view let down by a manager who isn’t suited to them.

    The problem with ashley on the playing side is not really transfers, yes some mistakes and gambles but it’s mainly managing and coaching appointments he has made, people who aren’t going to take us forward no matter who the are given.

  • 80 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:28 PM


    Just because Pol Pot was slightly better than Hiter, does not make Pol Pot good.

  • 81 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:32 PM


    Yeah you are right we do have some very good players that are a joy to watch but then again we could easily lose any one of them in any window.

    This month i’m more concerned about us keeping our best players rather than who we may potentially bring in and thats a sad state of affairs seeings as we have obvious issues with the squad

  • 82 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM


    When the club admitted that the cups were an opportunity to play squad players that is saying that we do not want to win a cup. You or the club can spin that if you like.

    Also, you’re basing your assessment of Ashley that under him we ‘could be very good’…so what you’re saying is you are wildly speculating on a theory that has absolutely no evidence to support it.

    As for saying that his issue is not regards transfers but coaching? With the squad we have, we will always have a glass ceiling, as it is not strong enough so of course there is a massive issue re investment.

    I’m sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

  • 83 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    I’ve been thinking about what you said and you’re right, if the lunatic Vincent Tan can get a Solksjear then Ashley could attract someone similar, but for every Mourinho there’s a Christian Gross, his mid table money spinning dross is
    assured under Pardew.

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:36 PM


    I agree with you. Ashley was not the reason we lost yesterday at all. The 11 pardew selected and the bench he had was more than capable of winning that came if they went out with the right game plan and mentality. We set to “contain” them which is a terrible idea for a poor cardiff team resting players. Not like we got beat of man city who rotated with there deep squad.

    Ashley might not help pardew as much as we want him to, but pardew carries the can for a lot of these problems. Marv got the most assists last year, i’m not a huge fan due to his apparent lazy displays but surely he is worth a spot on the bench….between him, obertan and sammy i know who i want coming on when chasing a game with 20 mins to go. We get no explanation and nobody seems to have asked the question.

    Cisse has been a consistent scorer at every club, good finisher but we make him feed off scraps and isolate him when he plays.

    I think it all stems from not having a main style of play at the club which is just tweaked game to game. Instead as you say we chop and change until we find a team that works, use it until it stops working then repeat. If we had a main style of play it would make changing/rotating a lot easier as everyone would know the game.

    I genuinely want to know people’s opinions on what style we play……..its not tika taka clever one twos to score, it’s not long ball and win second balls like carroll/nolan, it’s not wing play and getting men in the box, its not killer balls for players to run behind on…..WHAT IS IT?

  • 85 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Reference the Krul and Cabaye injuries.
    somebody mentioned earlier on the BBC Radio Newcastle post match phone in where John Anderson agreed with a caller about the suspicious injuries to Krul and Cabaye and also agreed they would be fit for the next league game (City).
    It was also suggested in a post that if Cabaye is really injured why let him leave for a jolly in France -and not keep him under the medical supervision of the club – if indeed he is injured. If he is injured he needs to be under a supervised recovery plan -and certainly not be allowed to have some free time in France.
    This echos the “injury” to Colo when he was allowed to return to Argentina to recover and where he was spotted jumping up and down on the terraces at St Lorenzo -clearly the warm air aided his recovery. I just do not understand these practices – might it negate any insurances etc. Clearly some unrevealed goings on here.

    A good window to me will now mean, as well as getting in a couple of players (up to standard) in -to really make an effort to get rid of the rubbish/shite.

    Keepers – Eliot is a poor keeper – I have posted previously that he is wobblier than a Chivers jelly – he is jittery and nervous – you can see the fear in him. Despite a poster supporting him yesterday – he really is at best a Championship level player.

  • 86 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Right lads, I’m off for this evening feel free to return to the Pardew out conversations that will inevitably mask what is actually wrong with our club.

  • 87 Shola Pure Legend // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    Lets be honest if fatty had got sent off in the 1st half. He would still have got motm. People dont see the loads of nothing he does he gives the ball away more then player in our team. He was average yesterday against a very average team.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM


    Do you think the squad is improving season on season since we got promoted? i think it is, i think we have a much better team now than when we came up. It might be taking longer than I want and we might gamble on people staying fit a couple too many times but over the period the squad has got better, just my view.

    I also think we have a squad similar to everton in quality, that’s why I say if the owner would appoint a better manager (remember everton don’t spend much either, usually make very few signings) then I think we also could be playing good attacking football with this current side, not title winning but genuinely push the top 4 like everton are and giving every team a real game.


    I agree with you. I think we can get good manager. What I will say though is the better the owner the better the chance of getting a good manager. Just because I think we can get a lot better doesn’t mean I think we will.

    The club do need want to bring in a better manager first and then they need to scout/look around properly for somebody with the skill to do whats needed.

  • 89 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM


    Pardew is the only manager i have ever known who approaches every single game as if it were an away fixture against world class opposition.

    SJP should be a place where other teams are weary or even all out afraid of coming to but with that numpty in the dug-out we openly invite sides to come and play at their best against us.

    all the players who were available yesterday were more than good enough to beat a poor Cardiff side but we were beaten by our own bloody manager yet again and I’m sick of it

  • 90 welshgeordie9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    A lot of people on this blog remind me of a green day song that’s called basket case.

    Do you have the time to listen to me whine.

  • 91 Toon1978 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Even the mackems are still in two cup competitions. M.Ashley is interested in 1 thing. That is lining his wallet. As long as the club is in the EPL and bringing in income then that is all that matters to the man. Winning titles, cups, European competitions means nothing to Ashley. He has no desire to put anything back into the club at all. I do however sympathise with Ashley in a way because all we have done is shout for him to sell the club and that the fans hate him so why should he invest in the team? He just thinks “f.. k you, I’m ok” I do think he should sell up and move on for his own sanity and for the good of the club but we must remember he pulled us from the brink and for that we should appreciate him for the club still being were it is now instead of being a Leeds or a Portsmouth. On the other hand, we will win nothing with Ashley owning this club. We are fortunate that we are still a top tier club but unfortunate that our owner holds no ambition for our beloved NUFC.

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM


    It seems very much like over complicating the game for the sake of it, just as if to say…look at all these tactics/plans i know, aren’t I good. I’m sure that’s not why he does it, thats more AVB (will add to that) but more that he genuinely think he is outsmarting opposing managers.

    The key example is the everton game last year at home. Ba was sold so cisse stayed right and shola in the middle as we had prepared for the game that way and had plans for baines….why? he is an attacking fullback, anyone playing on the right should know to match his run and offer support….what clever plan was there for stopping him that couldn’t be explained in a day?

    As for AVB i menttioned earlier, Tim Sherwood to some extent, then the soccer saturday guys, mentioned how they thought AVB massivley over complicated the game to a point where all natural creativity was taken from players and they had to play one way only and everything had to be from the plan, not thinking on thier feet.

    I think that’s great analysis and shows why they were so solid in defence usually anyway, yet lacked that spark up front.

  • 93 fatash // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Pardew had a line up that worked but it is at the moment broken and I don’t think he has the skill to put it right even when Cabaye and Debuchy become available again.
    Ashley is probably looking and saying we only need 7 or 8 points and we are still premiership next season, we don’t want to be in Europe as it will cost money to strenghthen the squad. So its no new players this window and perhaps we can let 1 or 2 go maybe Cabaye, Krull or Santon. After all even Pardew couldn’t screw survival up with all them games left and so few points needed, unless he goes and sets another new club record for us.

    PLEASE let me be wrong.

    I still think we will finish on 53 points

    Ashley is slowly but surely ensuring mediocrity for NUFC

  • 94 Toon1978 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM


    Green day a quality band 🙂

  • 95 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Our current position has to be taken into perspective of our history in the last 50 years. Unfortunately it is about as good as it gets I’m afraid. We missed the chance of sustained success of a gravy train of trophies in the mid 90’s. Our club attracts owners with little or no ambition. Fact. Ashley will not risk his fortune to try and develop the club. Is it because he doesn’t want to or because he realises he cannot compete with Man City and Chelsea?
    He sees the club as a vehicle for cheap advertising for his businesses. I think to get the maximum coverage he has to keep us in the Premier League. Is this acceptable? Is this enough? Enough is never enough for football supporters. We always want more. Our ambitions as fans will never be matchedby any owner.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:50 PM


    we were in nowhere near as much debt as those cubs you mention and had a much better income to repy loans…only llambias say we were saved by ashley, basically to say to us lot, shut up and be grateful for what we give you.


    Well positive have been discussed too. It’s just what people think of the club, whats your thoughts on it all?

  • 97 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    All I can think of now after the latest excuses is Jessie Pinkman on Breaking Bad saying “yo Mr. White… SCIENCE ‘n’ ‘sh*t.”

  • 98 welshgeordie9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    They my favourite band and also bowling for soup

  • 99 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    When Pardew wins he was lucky to defend the lead and when he loses its because he’s a crap manager.

    That just about sums up today’s blog.

  • 100 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    Marveaux has an excellent footballing brain . Sammi and Obertan are nowhere near him in terms of quality. Wouldn’t be surprised if we sold Marveaux to a rival club.

  • 101 Toon1978 // Jan 5, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    Transfer Sage

    We were still in quite a bid of debt, granted not at the level of Leeds or Porstmouth but still none the less on a slippery slope. All we want as NUFC supporters is a good cup run and a good crack at getting into Europe because we will the league unless the Man City owners get fed up and buy us lol.

  • 102 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Kets…if we sell Marv it will probably be to a French club.

    …I would have loved for him to have played more; he showed some excellent football at times, but then again sometimes he just went missing. Maybe it is due to way we play or maybe due to past injuries?

    Never the less these technical flair players do seem to find it hard under Pardew and have to work twice as hard, because flair is not enough for Pardew (not even a requirement I think)

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:01 PM


    i don’t think it’s that bad really.

    I think our style of play is boring which means when we lose not only do we not get 3 points we also aren’t entertained which makes it a lot worse to take as a fan.

    I would never say he was lucky, I think the style he uses, in my view relies on individual performances, although improving team play a little now, it depends on us defending well and then a forward whether remy, cisse, ba (before sold), hba, cabaye to do something a little special.

    I don’t think he is a terrible manager, I think he is ok and doing the basics in the league…i’d personally just like somebody who develops a style of play and explains things more (like where marv is)

  • 104 welshgeordie9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:04 PM


    Same with the players when we were on a good run people we’re saying they were good players and when we lose they say they rubbish.

  • 105 welshgeordie9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM


    Same with the players when we were on a good run people were saying they were good players and when we lose they say they rubbish.

  • 106 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    bills…sometimes you as well need to step back a few step an reflect on both what others are really saying, but also on your own thoughts!

    …things are not necessarily as you see it (it might be your truth, but be open to others as well)

  • 107 welshgeordie9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    Come on swans win tonight

  • 108 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Mister Tuff @89

    this is used to keep our star players happy, when we think who is our star players – Krull, Collo, Cabaye

    Transfer Sage@ 84

    believe it or not Pardew has no play style atm, he’s what you call a 1 system man unlike other managers they have about 3 phases of style of plays it could be attacking, defending & counter which most teams or even all teams will have against other opponents.

    but Pardew though as a 1 man system sticks to 1 phase BUT try’s to replicate it into one style of play not many teams use this because it’s so difficult to use but there is one team who use this system and are very successful and that’s Barcelona with there Tiki Taka style which combines into all sets of play in one attacking, defending , counter, contain, control & of course possession.

  • 109 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    You can have no flair like Willo and Shola and still get a game under Pardew.

  • 110 Toon1978 // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Williamson has been one of our best defenders this season so far.

  • 111 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:17 PM


    I agree with most of what you say.

    I think Pardew also suffers from the fact that many fans overrate most of our players. Our best and most creative CM Cabaye rarely dominates games and for me Anita and Sissoko are very average compared to their oppo in the top six sides.

    Remy after a good start hasn’t looked great for a while and Cisse is still struggling despite yesterday’s goal.

    We have only one real game changer, HBA, and he is inconsistent.

    Add it all up and we are among the best of the rest after the top six. I doubt any manager could get us into the top six with the current squad which is stronger than when we finished 5th imo.

  • 112 Magpies-till-d3ath // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    Pardew pictured in Newcastle airport.

  • 113 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    They used Michael Owens commentary voice in Guantanemo bay, it was banned as water boarding was deemed more humane.

  • 114 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Some will tell you that flair players are a luxury you cannot afford; I don’t believe that, but I believe you can set your game plan up in a way that may make it look so 🙂

    …for me last season a player like Tiote was a luxury we couldn’t afford. Shola for most of his career has been a luxury we cannot afford. Cissé this season. There might be others, but you get my point!

  • 115 jimiley // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    It is a damning indictment of our club that Pardew is the second longest serving manager in the Premiership. Somebody thinks the excuse maker is doing a good job but it is not the fans. I wonder who that could be?
    Tired of the excuses, the pickpocket wins even against dross (when did we put an inferior side to the sword? Do not mention the lucky goals against Palace or the win against 9 man Stoke), the drab football and the inane and insulting simplistic mumblings to the fans. “You won’t win the Cup getting knocked out in 3rd round!!!!!!”
    Pardew out. And some proper investment in quality players from the disinterested owner. If only pigs could fly.
    And stop selling Rangers stuff in our shop.

  • 116 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    also when you look at the style Rafa Benitez plays he sets up 2 in 1 style of phase which he did at Liverpool & Chelsea which is also difficult for instant —

    he plays an attacking 4-2-3-1 when his team is on the attack but when not in possession he sets up a 4-5-1 for defending or winning the ball back system, this is why in some way ppl say he’s an Rigid style Manager and in terms of styles they are probably right.

  • 117 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Bills…I think the point about a new manager is long term, where as what we are seeing now is just plain short term – every season seems to be up in the air like anything can happen (hard to see any real progress really or what direction we are pulling)

    …like I said earlier Ashley is the kind of owner who knows absolutely nothing about football and wants as little work possible, as long as he says in the PL. If he is getting that you won’t see him and you won’t hear from him. What an owner.

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:28 PM


    i have explained my thoughts in the past numerous times but it just gets boring trotting out the old arguments lets just say this blog is divided between pro and anti pards one will always be in the ascendancy dependant on the results however it would be nice if the critics of pards didnt stoop to personal abuse that should be reserved solely for ashley something i think the majority of us can agree on lol

  • 119 jimmysmith // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    “Science is against me.” I don’t really have the foggiest idea what that means. Is it just a misuse of language in an attempt at saying “luck is entirely against me” or “I’ve had no luck at all”or “there’s no rational explanation for what’s happened” or is it it just some arse backwards Cockney slang like “not no way”?

  • 120 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:31 PM


    who said ” Science is against me “?.

  • 121 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:34 PM


    Why do you and others say Ashley knows absolutely nothing about football as if it was something unique to NUFC?

    How much did Abramovich, the Mansours, Venky’s, Vincent Tan or the Americans at Lpool know about football? How many owners have ever played the game and can say they really know football?

    It’s just another stick to beat Ashley with.

  • 122 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:34 PM


    if it was Pardew it was probably in terms of Psychophysically and Mentality during game play.

  • 123 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Jimiley @ 115
    It’s a damning indictment of the premier league that Pardew is the second longest serving manager. Unfortunately the need for success is paramount and every team’s success is based on different criteria. Some just need to stay in the premiership, some need silverware and some need champions league qualification. It all depends on the club.
    I’ve supported the Toon for over 40 years and can’t remember them winning anything, I was too young to remember 1969. We had a few close calls but inevitably ended up disappointed, but have resigned myself to that fact. It’s part and parcel of being a Newcastle supporter. Yes I’d love them to win something, of course I would, but I’ve seen so many managers and players some and go I’ve gotten a bit blase about all the ‘Pardew Out’ posters, if it wasn’t Pardew it would be the next poor sucker whoever he may be. I’ve seen lots of mediocrity and also seen some decent football, but at the end of the so far even with Keegan and Sir Bobby we’ve won bugger all

  • 124 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    bills and jesper

    just out of curiosity if we think we can see what is wrong why couldn’t ashley? he might not know how to manager a side but he surely can see the basics of whats right and wrong and recognise a good player too.

    why couldn’t he be a normal fan too

  • 125 jimmysmith // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Pards…..” The last 3 years, I don’t know, it’s science against me”

  • 126 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    bills…because he doesn’t know anything about football and he has been here 6 years and he stills hasn’t learned anything about the game!

    …the difference between those you just mentioned and Ashley are that they show up and set the bar high. The support the manager and hire someone who knows what they are doing (since they don’t themselves)

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    TS…I don’t know mate he probably just don’t care – as long as we are safe he doesn’t have to be here or do anything!

  • 128 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    TS…I’ll tell you what, I’ll swap Ashley any day of the week for Levy and his backing 😉 Ashley seems to be a Spurs fan anyway lol

  • 129 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    anything on the transfers front for Newcastle ( holy shit first time ever iv’e giggled during writing lol ) i heard Cardiff are after Zaha now?

    anything on Gomis? i don’t rate the player at all but anything better than Shola.

    Ince? Cabella?

  • 130 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    where’s the ITK’s ???

  • 131 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    B&W…O haven’t heard anything mate

    …Torq were spreading some rumours about Caballa a few days ago, but I don’t know if it was in jest!

  • 132 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM


    All the talk was about Ashley last january having enough of llambias and getting personally involved to do the deals for players as he got impatient…then llambias was sacked/let go so maybe ashley did get involved and had had enough of him.

  • 133 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:53 PM


    I’m sure Ashley has opinions on players, style of play etc., but I doubt he’s going to impose them on Pardew like Vincent Tan did.

    What Ashley did do I’m sure was tell Pardew that no less than a top ten finish was acceptable this season and to reinforce that the players bonuses which kicked in on a top 12 finish last season are now top 10 as well.

    I don’t see that as unambitious I see it as a minimum standard. Telling Pardew he woukd get sacked if he didn’t finish top six would have been unrealistic.

  • 134 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    jesperfuglsang – captain of the lemon crew

    is Torq still over France?

  • 135 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    TS…maybe because he felt our PL status were in danger?

    …i think he sacked Llambias because he had to get involved – he doesn’t like it that’s why he hired Llambias in the fists plave 🙂

  • 136 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Transfer Sage@132

    funny you say that because i’m sure it was MA who bought in the French lads.

  • 137 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM


    B&W…I am not sure to be honest!

  • 138 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM


    i’m not sure if this is entirely true but i’m sure i read somewhere that AP had to finish 10th or above to keep his job or else he walks

  • 139 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 5:59 PM


    How do you know Ashley hasn’t learnt anything in six years? Pure opinion of yours, not a fact.

    He knew enough not to sack Pardew and we are 8th and 12pts ahead of Laudrup who many wanted as manager, and some still do.

    It was also Ashley who insisted on our current policy of player recruitment and seeing as we’ve got a decent squad who are worth far more that what we paid he hasn’t done bad there either.

  • 140 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    black and white

    its what i said, Ash got involved so he must have some idea of how to deal with other clubs

  • 141 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    i can’t stand MA at all, but he has got us good players but i think MA major concern would be Cisse, 10 million for a striker who is looking like a flop, poor sod. 😉

  • 142 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    Black and White @ 138,

    Reading between the lines thats what I think the score is. Minimum 10th or Pardew goes.

  • 143 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    How bad are these injuries to Krul and Cabaye? Surely just knocks? If not we may be in big trouble. And Saylor was dubbed moronic by for his play. Sounds very promising doesn’t it? The whole Obertan affair is a farce as well. Get rid of. He’s a waste of space anyway. We’ve known that for at least a year now. What is Kinnear doing other than nothing? We’ve needed a clear out for a long while now. Still I’m sure Ashley is happy just counting his money.

  • 144 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    Transfer Sage

    i know mate that’s what’s funny though 🙂

    who would of thought he would do something like that, i remember writing a post on this blog stating he must have some ambition to go over France and getting the players through.

  • 145 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    geordie two

    the only player kinnear cleared out was perch….and he was the best and most used fringe player

  • 146 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    Didn’t impress many in the Gallowgate with his antics in front of Marshall in Cardiff goal when we had a free kick on the edge of box.
    Stood eye to eye with Marshall waving his arms above his head.

  • 147 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    I guarantee that wouldn’t have been a red if Fergie was still in charge .

    Also am I the only person that doesn’t :

    a) Want Gomis
    b) Want any more French players ?

    There are pictures on twitter of Pardew at the airport and a tweet from Gomis saying he was coming to Newcastle that was quickly deleted .

  • 148 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    i also read somewhere that what ever money NUFC make over the season MA puts in the Newcastle kitty so to speak but again i’m not entirely sure about this

  • 149 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    Talk is Cisse spent nearly the entire game against Cardiff offside. Well at least he scored but that doesn’t sound promising either. No transfer activity to speak of yet. Maybe the financial fair play rules are having an effect. The 3 clowns are going to meet next week? Shouldn’t that have been done before the window opened? It’s the blind leading the blind with us.

  • 150 Marty-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    We had senior players and many internationals on the pitch yesterday and it really shouldn’t be a problem being “up for a cup game” whilst playing for Newcastle United 🙂
    These guys get their chance to play like Mr.Huffy Pants Egg head Obertan and then when he does get the chance he doesn’t deliver.
    Not only him,we have many that just aren’t good enough.

    They really don’t know how lucky they are to be professional football players yet they don’t bust their holes when given the chance.

    I for one don’t want some sugar daddy owner like City or Chelsea have and like Spuds have used millions and just change manager after manager after manager and bring in over priced players every window and sell them a year later at a loss.
    Pards has done better this year but didn’t change the team when they were tired looking after the Arsenal game and we ended up paying for it in injuries to key players.
    It would’ve been easier to bed in a couple of fringe players then than when we’ve four players out.
    He doesn’t know when or how to change his game plan when the game is in action,like he waits til the other team scores and throws on Shola.
    The main problem for us fans is if Ashley did sack Pards then who is available?
    Would the replacement be any better?
    Solskjaer won his first,he may win 3/4 games now but most managers have a honeymoon period with their new club (Sherwood)
    I for one don’t see any manager that would take us on would be any better than what we’ve got.
    Martinez isn’t gonna move and although I like the style Laudrup has at Swansea(they’ve played that way under the last 3 managers)I just don’t know how much better he is than Pards.

  • 151 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Aye Transfer Sage I have to agree. We’ve got a load of rubbish on the bench and somewhere in the background as well. Where is Marveaux for example? And why have we held on to Obertan? Completely useless. Jesper mate I hope you weren’t offended by my comment about the Lamberghini yesterday. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle one. I’ve spent my life driving small underpowered cars held together with string and thumb tacks mate. All the best Dazzler. 🙂

  • 152 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    big pappa

    i dont mind if we get more french, english, belgian, german, spanish, dutch, papa new guinean, etc players… long as we get some good players.

    i would hope we do more than just scout france and we scout leagues around eastern europe, balklands, begium, etc where even more bargains are to be had

  • 153 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    So were out of both cups, does that affect how we approach the second half of the season?

    What as fans do we want to see as aspirations this season now?

    On Laudrupp
    Are you comparing him this season as a comparison to pardew this season, or Pardew last season?
    Because he’s doing well with an injury ravished squad and still playing in Europe and has named a strong squad for today’s cup game vs manure and are currently holding manure to a draw away

    Sorry but he’s doing better with a far less superior squad

    Pardew has done well for a run this season but he’s supposed to be progressing every season and atm he’s in the same place as when he took the job

  • 154 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    there’s some top French players on the cheap due to tax or whatever so i think it’s ideal, in a way look at our French lads

    Cabaye – top playmaker – cheap
    Haidara – star in the making – cheap
    Sissoko – another star in the making also a beast – cheap
    Gouffran – fantastic player – very cheap
    Debuchy – probably the best RB in the PL – cheap
    MYM – will probably be the best CB in coming years – not so cheap but a good price

    and for Gomis as i said in my other post rather him than Shola

  • 155 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Geordie Two
    the reason he spent a lot of time offside was that he was running into space, making darting time and time again but our midfield etc., wanted two touches on the ball or didn’t get there heads up to see his movement ad the moment was gone.

  • 156 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Agree we have exhausted France and been sussed by the teams there, we seem to have a very limited scouting network

    This also has to be the slowest start to a window ever!

  • 157 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    I think Pardew will always play too defensively, especially against poor sides. I’m not just talking about the Cardiff game. Whenever we score first we then proceed to sit back and concede possession over and over again. Not enough resilience in the team. Let’s get some players with grit now to complement the good technical players we already have. Other than Tiote we have few players who really go hard to get the ball back. Ha Bony has just scored. Man U are going out of the cup as well. 🙂

  • 158 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Fantastic cross by Routledge and brilliant header by Bony.

  • 159 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    @ Sage

    I don’t really care what country they are from but our main starting 11 at the minute if you include Haidara who I think is a better option than Santon has 7 players .

    And that is not including the bench .

  • 160 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    7 French players rather 🙂 .

  • 161 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    Routledge tearing up Man U.

    I’m so glad we got rid of him for obertan. Great bit of business.

  • 162 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Ok Charlie @155 I can understand that. I can’t comment because I couldn’t get the game on. Still how to make Cisse a consistent force again? If Krul and Cabaye really are injured we are in deep trouble surely. Not enough squad depth and the owner just sits there like the useless lump he is.

  • 163 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Also all these links to ince/Zaha has anyone watched lualua this season? Lads been playing well miles ahead of obertan

  • 164 harrizoom // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    The pardew out campaign is very boring now to be honest, his record is as good as any other manager we have had, only difference is they had as much money as they wanted and world class players. And as for the fa cup, why be soo shocked, we were playing a team with a new manager which history tells you always means one thing, and we are rubbish in the cup. There is noone available atm that is better than pardew, were you all calling him a few weeks ago wen we were on a decent run, i think not. Very very fickle

  • 165 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    bills..yes that is my honest subjective opinion! but how would you want me to be objective about this? I am just going by what I see 🙂

    …I have to grab some dinner! later

  • 166 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    wolfshead @118.
    You make a partially reasonable point in talking about the personal abuse. However, contrary to what you suggest in stating that the abuse only comes from critics of Percy the pro Percy/Ashley Brigade do insult other posters as well. You should be more open minded as to reality.
    Having said that we are all Toon supporters in our own ways. I do think however that the abuse should stop. Some of the pro Percy/Ashley Brigade really do support the team. I’ve manged to get a photo of them at the match a couple of years ago – you can see they are enjoying themselves and their T shirts clearly show they support the team. Link:-

  • 167 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:22 PM


    sure there is more in france for us but nice to have more options, especially when we hold out for deals a lot.

    and yeh, given the extra tv money and tight compeitition at the top, coupled with a few big teams needing to really ad i’m shocked more hasn’t happened.

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM


    if you look at the reasons why a lot want pardew out it’s not fickle, it’s a consistent problem they feel hasn’t been addressed

    as for nobody better? how do you know that? there are so many managers around the world

  • 169 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM


    All I’m saying is Laudrup had a great start but since he won the Lge Cup he’s won 7 out of 30 Prem games.

    You, I or anyone else can’t say he’s going to be a great manager yet.

    But, Bony is starting to look good and when Michu is fit that could be some front two.

  • 170 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    2-1 to Swansea

  • 171 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    Got to stick with Pards IMO.

    8th in the league and closer to 7th than 9th.

    He’s bang on target for the clubs expectations.

    If anyone should get flak, it’s Ashley who sets the expectations.

    Top 10 finish is not ambitious enough. The real culprit is the owner.

    So many people find too many excuses not to blame him but are quick to blame Pardew. Don’t get it at all.

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:28 PM


    it’s not blaming on person…it’s blaming all of them.

    but realistically ashley could sack pardew tomorrow but not sell the club tomorrow if nobody was interested

  • 173 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Swansea through against ManU away from home and we lose to Cardiff at home. That should tell us something about the quality of our respective teams and managers. We have a sad sack owner, a delusional director of football and a manager who still thinks he’s managing West Ham in his one and only glorious cup run as a manager.

  • 174 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    Troy good to see you on here mate. I have to agree, our owner is a useless lump most of the time. Hiring Kinnear is a perfect example of how out of touch he is with football.

  • 175 Toonpiper // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    The “knocks” suffered by Krul & Cabaye were sufficient to ensure that neither player is cup-tied, and therefore more-attractive to would-be buyers.

  • 176 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:32 PM


    We beat ManU away.

    Does it not count because it was the Prem?

  • 177 harrizoom // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Im not saying there isnt problems but people only seem to make these problems an issue when we havent won a game. As for managers what managers are available, cardiff have just employed a manager that is only proven in a small league, there are no top managers that would want to come to newcastle and that is fact, until ashley goes we may aswell stay with pardew and be comfortable in the premiership

  • 178 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Apparently Gomis is tweeting that he is signing.

  • 179 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM


    i’d rather do what cardiff and southampton and even swansea have done and taken a gamble on a younger, hungry manager…even spurs now.

    whats the alternative? pardew and mid table, no cub runs

  • 180 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM


    you seem to have a fetish about photos/vids of monkeys/gorillas which is fine i just hope you dont use them to racially abuse lol

  • 181 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Geordie Two,
    Swansea may be through against ManUre, yet they’re still only 4 points off relegation. Everything has to be taken in perspective

  • 182 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    Moyes is the same standard of manager as Pardew, but Man United will sack him soon unlike NUFC.

  • 183 harrizoom // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    And possibly get relegated like sunderland, not sure i agree

  • 184 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    Some good points from bills-son and Irish Toon. Of course it counts that we beat ManU ourselves but look at the state of our cup runs under Pardew. An absolute disgrace over the last few seasons. It tells me a lot about our squad depth and the lack of character as well. We are just gutless in the cups. Absolutely shocking for years now. And Pardew continues to blather on about them. How can anyone take him seriously?

  • 185 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:41 PM


    I will say Ashley, whatever people think, good or bad, has been pretty average at best/poor with manager appointment really.

    I’d say we might not get a better manager.

    As for sunderland, they hired the wrong man in di cannio and poyet is trying his best to get them out, if he’d been put in charge last season they’d be so much better off.

    We do scout players well so no reason we couldn’t do the same research into managers. it’s why you give them interviews, so they can explain there plans to go forward in the restrictions a club puts in place, then assess them.

  • 186 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    Welcome back Troy Stavers,
    I don’t get it either, did you know Ashley was the best owner in the PL last week despite his summer showing !

  • 187 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    ManU have put Moyes in a no win position. Fergie prepared for his last season by bringing in an aging striker van Persie who is constantly injured now. Fergie didn’t fix the midfield problem either. Moyes comes in and brings in Fellaini who has been a disaster. They will have to spend big now as they have lost 4 of the last 6 at home and are in danger of a mid table finish. I dearly hope it happens but they won’t let it whereas as long as we finish above 16th or so Ashley will be smiling and counting his money.

  • 188 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    wolfshead – I have no fetishes and abhor racists.

  • 189 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    @G2 cheers. My bro is back on the other one so I’m keeping off there.


    I don’t see how Pards can be blamed. It’s the club who set the expectations as I’ve said.

    Pards is only following instructions and the cups aren’t a priority. We are bang on target regarding the league.

    Until the owner changes expectations and those aren’t being met then Pards shouldn’t be criticised.

  • 190 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    The premier league is the holy grail. Most owners are happy as long as their team remains in the PL. Because of this outlook the FA cup has dies on it’s arse. I used to look forward to the all the build up on FA cup final day. Do you remember when they had It’s a knockout on and the BBC showed coverage from about 10 in the morning. Now they’ve played around with start times and start dates, it used to be the last domestic game of the year, but no more. To tell the truth I can’t remember the last time I watched a cup final, either FA or League Cup, sad isn’t it?

  • 191 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    Evening lads
    A bit of juicy news that Montpellier have signed Cabella’s replacement in Lucas mugni………….Read into that what you will !!

  • 192 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    I wish people would stop assuming that winning a cup gets you relegated, it has happened to about six teams in the history of the game !

  • 193 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    Mag I still think Moyes is a much better manager than Pardew but he’s been put in an impossible position. That squad is actually quite poor in depth. They have quite a few under-performing players such as Nani, Fellaini, and they are quite weak at the back as well with Ferdinand over the hill now. Fergie didn’t bring in the quality to replace any of the aging players and he went and bought an aging striker who was great for one season. Pardew would be reduced to a pile of tears on the byline with that kind of pressure.

  • 194 DS_NUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    @SkySportsNews: Coming up at 7.30pm it’s the first Transfer Centre of the January Transfer Window – standby for some exciting news for Newcastle fans! #SSN

  • 195 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM


    glad to hear it you will be glad to hear i am not going to post for a while so i bid you adieu

  • 196 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    I can remember as a kid watching the Fa cup all day no matter what teams were involved. From them leaving there hotel to the ground. And them walking round the hallowed turf of the old Wembley in there white suits”liverpool” ha ha.
    But yes mate it was just a magical day and now its no better than wathing the charity shield

  • 197 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    geordie two

    since man utd’s new owners came in they have nassively cut down on their big singings and ferguson has had no choice but to let the team grow old…sufering now

  • 198 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    You seem to be missing the point with the appointment of Pardew, it is us the fans that either want him gone or merely tolerate him because we know nobody better will be appointed, Ashley on the other hand couldn’t be happier with him as he doing exactly what was set out to him when he took him on.

  • 199 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    These posters that bang on about Ashley telling Pardew to lose cup games are potty. Pardew loses cup games because he is a loser both as a player and manager plain and simple.

  • 200 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:53 PM


    Interesting if true.

  • 201 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    An interesting point is one we’ve been arguing about for months now. Is Cisse offside so much because we don’t get him the ball quickly enough or is it that he makes such quick impulsive runs that nobody can actually anticipate them, even Cabaye? If so he should have adjusted his game long before this. He’s clearly not a holdup type of player so what is Pardew’s plan to improve his effectiveness or do they even discuss it? I would hate to bet money on that.

  • 202 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:54 PM


    We simply don’t have a clue what Ashley intends long term as he never tells us.

    All we can judge things on is history. The topsy turvy past makes me shudder with PR disaster after disaster.

    We may make financial gains but it’s whether he will invest in players remains to be seen. We are £18m in profit on transfer dealings since he arrived and that money could be the difference from top 8 to top 6.

  • 203 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM


    i get that, i dont see pardew going anywhere….do what he is asked

    just a shame for us

  • 204 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    Transfer sage
    Take 3-4 players out of there squad and manure look very ordinary. I think season by season they have been slipping down the pecking order and are dominant force to be feared like they have been

  • 205 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    Unfortunately that’s what money has done. It’s chasing the cash cow that is the premier league. It’s ridiculous to think that Pards is the 2nd longest serving manager in the league after 3 and a bit years. But unfortunately owners want success straight away, whether that success is classed as silverware or staying in the PL.

  • 206 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    Transfer Sage that may be true mate but if the owners want the Champs League money to continue they are going to have to spend money now. They can’t hide the aging squad any longer and their supporters will start to make a big noise about it.

  • 207 DS_NUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Apparently it’s gomis

  • 208 joeinthecheapseats // Jan 5, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Can’t understand the negativity on Gomis
    1. He’s got to be more of a threat than Shola
    2. He scores goals
    3. Could well link up well with Remy
    4. It wouldn’t be a loan
    5. The French lads have improved us no end when did we ever pose such a threat to the top teams after Sir Bobby left
    6. Ciaran stop moaning were still pushing for Europe again

  • 209 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    The only negativity on Gomis is that there may be/probably are better alternatives.

  • 210 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    There may be better alternatives than Gomis, but would they join us?

  • 211 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    just proves a point mate that the fat controller doesn’t measure success by the standard of football we put out on the pitch. And that’s why the trophy cabinet is still bare

  • 212 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    Pardew has improved us no doubt. Newcastle have improved in the 2/3 years under Pardew/Ashley. What Ashley needs to decide is how far he wants to go and how far Pardew can take us?

  • 213 Ron Knee // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    According to Maxifoot on 29/12/13, Gomis was going to Marseille!

  • 214 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    Gomis played for Lyon in the Coupe de France a few hours ago

  • 215 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    We not getting a superstar striker, even if he scores one in three he has to be better than Sholas one in seven.

  • 216 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    He sees it as a business, and as far as he’s concerned he’s turning a profit, so all’s good. I’d just like to get Chris Mort back as he looked at it from a business and football point of view

  • 217 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:05 PM


    Yes, why not? We are one of top 8 teams in the best league in England. Pardew can speak the same bullshit (was it bullshit?) he said to Cabaye/Sissoko/Cisse/Debucy/Mbiwa etc to make them join us. Those 5 I have mentioned are full international players and most of them joined us only a year ago. We are better than last year (last year we were fighting relegation).

  • 218 pottsclock // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    Gomis seems to have tweeted that he is on his way..

  • 219 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    After the saga with Debuchy it’s likely Gomis could sign, we are seriously short up front and who knows what’s going to happen to Remy.
    Mr Tuff,
    Good evening, is the longervRemys case goes on better or worse for him.

  • 220 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    The wild swings in negativity on the blog are mainly due to the wild swings in performance level by the team. On minute we’re beating top sides, then we can’t beat Cardiff at home. With Man City coming up next in the league and injuries mounting Pardew will be under pressure again but it’s the lack of signings and sorting out of our poor squad players that is the main reason for all of this.

  • 221 Irish-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Outside of the top 4/5 clubs we are in a group of 8 clubs who swap positions each year, so any prospective purchase has a choice of those 8 clubs to choose from. What makes us better than any of them to a prospective employee

  • 222 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:09 PM


    he said the same damn thing in the summer, personally i hope we don’t get him as he is simply not good enough for us, his own fans have labelled him Go Miss

  • 223 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Pardew has taken us as far as he can because he has serious limitations to his coaching ethics
    I think most teams can easily suss us out because we cant play any other way than what is coached into them through the managements limited structure

  • 224 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    Lads I said this yesterday but the fall out from yesterday’s defeat was in the making over the festive period when the squad wasn’t utilised. Pards errors during this period are easy for all to see

    Stoke he changes to 451 at home and we struggled until the reds.

    Arsenal game is a funny one, some fans have said we were unlucky…..really? We had 1 shot on target over 90mins (not including Shola’s pass back) at home we should have attacked Arsenal instead of trying to negate them and pinch a win

    WBA – we change from 451 which has got us max points in last 2 away games to to accommodate a goalless striker in Shola whose last away game start resulted in a 3-0 loss!!

    Cardiff – Squad wasn’t rotated over the festive period which led to wholesale changes but pards was right to make the changes, where he fails consistently is trying to hold a lead, the squad did the right thing winning 1-0!!

    To all pards sympathisers can you all answer these simple questions about his management skills: Why have we lost more pts from winning positions than any other team? Why have we only won once from a losing position (9 Man Stoke)

    For all those laudrup haters on here, Swansea are mid table and they’ve just knocked man utd out of the cup, yet we have a better squad and were fighting relegation being in the EL hasn’t affected Swansea as badly as us!!

  • 225 manxpie // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France 42s
    There has been contact between Newcastle representatives and Bafétimbi Gomis reps in the past days, we can confirm. More to follow #OL #NUFC

  • 226 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    Well said I think that we are changing our style of play by keeping the ball on the deck passing and moving less hoofball and not afraid to change system tactics
    All in all I have enjoyed this season and a lot of the football
    And Krul has started to roll the ball out or pass the ball to our full backs to start the moves.
    And if he was a crap manager then would these French players come and second – once here they would want out.
    still a long way to go though

  • 227 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    Evening mate…………I totally agree about gomis. I can only think that this is a signing because its a cheaper option and an upgrade on shola

  • 228 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    For me Joe doesn’t get enough criticism but maybe this window will turn things around for him if we make some decent signings. Still we’ve let the squad get into a pretty poor state and having a player like Obertan around who apparently walked out when not on the bench against Arsenal can’t help either. If Ferguson can’t impress at Birmingham and Gosling can’t at Blackpool then what future have they got in the Prem? Fergie is struggling now and I think he was always too small to make it in the Prem and we have Haidara now as well. Gosling just never recovered from all of the knee injuries. They’ll be moved on soon if Joe is paying attention at all. The same goes for Amalfitano and probably Vuckic.

  • 229 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    Our Toon

    Pardew cannot manage the squad as a whole, that much has been proven to be correct over the last three games. his limitations as a manager are obvious

  • 230 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    We have a team full of internationals and Pardew still can’t advance beyond the 3rd round of the FA cup at home against Cardiff City who have lost 18 times out of 20 visits to SJP. The sooner he goes back down the A1 the better.

  • 231 manxpie // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    haha have a look at this !! mike dean
    secret swansea fan!

  • 232 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    It’s too bad Gomis isn’t younger though. Isn’t he 28 now? No real sell-on value there. What will Ash think about that?

  • 233 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:17 PM


    evening mate………………its a strange one as Carr has got most things right but Go Miss could be a poor choice if he does indeed come here. personally i think we need to be looking at a Remy type of player and not an outdated Shola type. A perfect blend of the two would be Lakaku, a boy with real pace and power. Jose doesn’t seem to fancy the lad so why not test the water instead of going back to France???

  • 234 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:18 PM


    Do you really want me to list all the positive things about Newcastle right now? All I was trying to say is since we have bought quality full international players quite regularly, I don’t see why you suddenly seem to think we have lost the position/ability to do so now. A year ago Sissoko, Mbiwa (after winning the league), Debuchy joined us, do you think they wouldn’t have joined us this January?

    I think there are better alternatives than Gomis and yes some of those better alternatives will want to to come to Newcastle. It’s illogical to think they will all reject us.

  • 235 SharpEnough23 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    Anyone know what sky are on about?

    Look at the top

  • 236 pottsclock // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    Gomis would be a Shola upgrade, that’s all. But if he is then we need one so I am not against it.
    However, he is not the goal scoring pacy striker that we also need…so we need another.

  • 237 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    I find it amazing we talk about sell on value, let’s get some players in irrelevant of age, have to be good players though. Sky sports are tweeting about some very very exciting news for us so will watch at 7:30pm

    Charlie yes these French players would come because we are a stepping stone, Cabaye wants to leave and last time I checked he was French, they will want to leave if we don’t show ambition!!

  • 238 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Yeah I agree. Pardew has some negative points and some deficiencies but these are over-exaggerated at times and blown out of proportion. If he was as bad as people say they are, these french players wouldn’t be joining us and certainly not sticking around. Infact, they seem to praise him every now and then.


    Pardew may well have taken us as far as he can (I am not sure how you can say that though? – he could do better with larger funds in my opinion) but this may be as far as Ashley wants to go.

    Also Pardew has fighting for top 4 (not bad is it?) and that too with a supposedly crappy owner?

  • 239 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Would love Lukaku at the toon but again I think a tad to ambitious for us. I never understood why we didn’t go in for him in the summer when he was available on loan so he could have sampled the Geordie atmosphere in St james park.
    What do you make of Montpellier signing a ready made replacement for cabella ???

  • 240 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Breaking News

    Pardew has today signed a new improved contract at NUFC!!!

  • 241 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    A pardew upgrade would be the best news in this transfer Window!

  • 242 manxpie // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    nah gomis and an out n out winger will do me we’ve got remy n gouff for pacy strikers
    a proper left footed LW is wat we’ve needed for years

  • 243 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    If Ashley doesn’t wanna go further then firing Pardew would be pointless.

  • 244 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:25 PM


    Cabella would be one hell of a signing for us would be great if we could make that happen.

    I know you’d have thought that if we were going to sign a loan player in the summer Lakaku would have been the perfect choice. He may be out of our reach but what about Benteke???

  • 245 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    The news is the signing of Bafetimbi Gomis

  • 246 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Gomis was due to fly into Newcastle today but he missed the plane 😀

  • 247 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Lukaku on loan would have been really good but there is no hope of a permanent transfer with him whilst there is some with Remy. This may be why we chose Remy over him?

    Benteke would be worth buying.

  • 248 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    And by missed the plane I mean he was clean through but ended up in the hanger

  • 249 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    Im not slating percy bud, Im just saying that as a coach he has been found wanting sometimes.
    Whether you have £10 mill or £100 mill to spend on players you have to coach them to there best ability and not to play players out of position.Which he has a tendency to do

  • 250 Ancientcoptic // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    SharpEnough23 – Interesting…

    It sounds like the Gomis news is about to become more official….

    We are going to find out very soon.

    I will be happy, so long as it is for less than 3 million.

  • 251 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    luuk de jong

  • 252 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Luuke de Jong???

  • 253 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    apparently ashley is to sanction 4 deals and let nobody go

    lets see what happens ey guys

  • 254 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Four coming in none going out 😀

  • 255 Ancientcoptic // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Cabella??? One can dream!

  • 256 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    The squad depth is a huge issue and we see it every season in the cups. Based on those performances we have an extremely poor squad past our starting XI. I just can’t see it any other way and that is Kinnear’s only real role. So what is he doing? Why no real effort last summer when we so clearly had some excess baggage? This window and next summer are huge tests for Kinnear. If he doesn’t really start to have an impact he should be gone. Wake up again Ashley.

  • 257 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Bugger off Sage 😀

  • 258 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    de Jong on an initial loan would be a very good move for us and if Cabella comes in as well then happy days

  • 259 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    Mahley sanctioning 4 players in eh……and who are they I wonder ???

  • 260 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    Cmon remy cabella

  • 261 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM


  • 262 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM

    Luuk De Jong LOAN
    Bafe Gomis
    Remy Cabella
    Centre back-not heitinga please

  • 263 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM


    haha…it ties in with what i posted end of november…i said there were 4 links….not all the same as mentioned now though.

    i’ll have to see my pal this week

  • 264 pottsclock // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM

    De Jong and Gomis would be appreciated…

  • 265 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Luik de Jong on loan, one of 4 apparently…..are all of these going to be loans!! Luik De Jong is alright but I’d bid £15m on Benteke!! We need someone to hold the ball up

  • 266 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Guys whats the big news? i can’t watch it

  • 267 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Do you not think gomis and de jong would be a massive risk as both are not proven.
    Cabella-Loic on a permanent-de jong-??

  • 268 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    I agree jazzy, but 2m is a bargain for gomis

  • 269 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    How many will leave? Will Cisse leave? Apparently we are close to the kid from st etienne so is that 2 players identified then? We only get Cabella if we move quickly

  • 270 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    Moses-jack all pal apart from what we are all aware of in the transfer stakes

  • 271 pottsclock // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    Mose is, the news is:
    1. Luuk de Jong is our main target, probably through an initial loan. It’s understood we’re in talks, whatever that means
    2. MA has sanctioned up to 4 additions in this window

  • 272 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    I want a team good enough to finish in the top 6 every season and actually compete well against lower division clubs in the cups. Why else be a supporter? Give us some entertaining football that leads to wins. That’s what both Keegan and Sir Bobby did. I know we didn’t win anything with them but we came damn close a few times. I can’t say the same with Ashley, Kinnear, and Pardew, the 3 stooges. If a club’s own supporters don’t have ambition then who will????

  • 273 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    for those saying £2 million for Gomis would be a good deal – Imagine Shola at 28 and thats what your £2 million will buy you!!!

  • 274 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    From Sky:

    We understand Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is willing to sanction up to four deals during the January window, and we can confirm that a striker is very much in the Magpies’ sights and their interest in De Jong is strong.

    De Jong is currently with German side Borussia Monchengladbach, who paid more than £12million for him in 2012, but his move to the Bundesliga has not been a success.

    Newcastle are now ready to bring him to England on an initial loan and it is our understanding they are confident of securing his signature.

    De Jong is not the only attacking player in their sights as our sources have confirmed they have a firm interest in Montpellier midfielder Remy Cabella.

    The 23-year-old, who likes to play in the ‘hole’, is understood to be keen on making the switch to Tyneside and increase the already sizeable French contingent at St James’ Park.

    Talks between the two clubs are expected next week once their president returns from his holidays but, having signed Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Newcastle know their management well and are hopeful of brokering a deal – although as ever with Ashley he will not pay over the odds for any player.

    With attacking arrivals, Papiss Cisse has been linked with a move away from the club, but Newcastle sources have told us that they are not looking to let ‘any’ first-team players leave this month, which also includes Yohan Cabaye.

  • 275 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Our toon
    I hope Dekoke is not classed as a signing mate as he only going to warrant a token fund as he is u17 but one for the future !!

  • 276 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    .Get rid of Cisse & Shola

    .Bring in Gomis & De Jong

    .Sign Remy permanently .

    That would leave us with:

    Remy, De Jong, Gomis, Gouffran

    Not bad I suppose .

  • 277 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    De Jong and Gomis more toys for the numpty to mess about.

  • 278 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    So we haven’t actually signed anyone?

  • 279 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:44 PM

  • 280 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Is mike really having a rummage around the European bargain sock bin? Why? We’re not in danger of relegation are we? Are we?

  • 281 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Lads we are not in talks with Luuk de Jong or his club…. This is what sky have said Luuk de Jong has been identified as newcastles top transfer target, we want to bring him in on loan initially but haven’t opened lines of communications YET!! Ashley has sanctioned 4 deals!!

    What I don’t like about this is that surely Luuk should have been identified in November or December and lines of communication could have been opened up!! We haven’t even made a move for our top target and today is the 5th

  • 282 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    Apparently cabella likes to play in the hole, don’t we all?

  • 283 Toon1978 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    It would be a great window to get De Jong loan with option to buy as well as making Loic a permanent and bringing in Cabella and Gomis.

  • 284 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Interesting statement from the club,But would welcome the sale of our fringe players and we all know who they are without keep mentioning names !!

  • 285 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Our Toon

    We are in talks according to SSN for de Jong

  • 286 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Tsunki mate you know Ashley loves a rummage in the sock bin. He can build up loads of expectations that way and then sign nobody. I imagine none of the other clubs can understand who Joe is asking about anyway.

  • 287 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Dreeeeeeeeeeam, dream dream dreammmm.


    ITK-athon starting to wind up now. Anyone seen ptbag yet? 🙂

  • 288 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM


    The reason why he is rummaging about is because Cabaye will defo leave in the summer along with colo, maybe HBA because he’ll be in the final yr of his contract and Shola is out of contract at the end of this season!! He is pants but will need replacing

  • 289 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Geordie Two
    You are the definition ,the very image of a know-nowt gobshite supposed fan.
    Wilkinson is 10 times the player under Pardew than previously
    Keegan never got past February in the FA cup in the 90’s
    He also lost in the League cup to Kinnear’s Wimbledon

  • 290 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    I’m watching ssn now and nothing of the sort, it flashed up interested in de jong but no formal bid.

  • 291 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Luuk De Jong – the better alternative than Gomis 😀
    Hopefully we can get him and Remy Cabella(?) and if no one leaves – that would be a dream window for us!

  • 292 toon62 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    We should be going for Jordan Rhodes, he is perfect foil for Remy (the one we have, and hopefully the one we will get). Gomis is not the answer, and certainly not De Jong. Encouraging that we look like we are going to do business this window….

  • 293 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Well it will be good to get someone else to play in a hole apart from JFK.

  • 294 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Newcastle United are in talks to sign Dutch international striker Luuk de Jong although there has been no formal bid yet but we are being told that he very much is their top transfer target. Newcastle are confident of securing an initial loan deal with our sourses saying Mike Ashley is will to sanction four deals this month

  • 295 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Well if its true that Ashley has sanctioned four signings when we are 8th. …

    What will those who swore blind we’d sign nobody if we were in the top ten say?

    Let me have a guess…

    We’ll only sign cheap sh1te.

  • 296 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Is Joe talking to other clubs about players then? If so can he pronounce their names? I would hate to end up with us signing Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte instead of Gomis and Lukaku. Joe put your reading glasses on mate.

  • 297 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    It was right at 7.30 pm on the dot when Sky Sports News said that we are interested in De Jong and want to get him on initial loan deal and are confident of getting him. They also mentioned Remy Cabella and that Ashley is willing to get 4 players in.

  • 298 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    |I don’t think he has made an appearance yet but there’s plenty of time yet

  • 299 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Thanks Jeff. It’s certainly a pleasure to discuss football with you. Having a bad day are you mate? Maybe lay of the booze for a few years. Or there’s always the possibility of a brain transplant. Nice try WUM.

  • 300 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM


    We are in talk with the lad according to SSN

  • 301 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:54 PM

    Tsunami? Cant say I haven’t thought of that though….

    Cabaye and colo conveniently injured? Funny how we stayed injury free all that time, and then when the transfer window opens, people start falling out.

  • 302 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:55 PM


    Just watched it again and the guy on sky says Newcastle are in talks but no formal bid has been made for Luuk De Jong, we have been told though that he is there top transfer target for this window. Not being a sceptic but we haven’t even bid for the lad but we have told sky that he’s our top transfer target!! Smells off to me why tell sky but not make an offer yet?

  • 303 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:56 PM

    Potential team after Jan :





    —————————-De Jong—————————

    Elliot, Collo, Haidara, Anita, Sissoko, Gouff, Gomis

    That team and bench could do some real damage in the PL .

  • 304 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    Oh by the way Jeff who the f*** is Wilkinson? 🙂

  • 305 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    So it looks like we’ll be signing Cabella, De Jong, Gomis and Heitinga. That would take us in the right direction, but I feel there’s better alternatives than them.

    Gourcuff, Ba, Benteke and Alderweireld would be my choice.

  • 306 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    Hard to see with all this smoke being blown about.

  • 307 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Well it appears to be a load of crap all this transfer hysteria!

  • 308 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Our Toon

    there are a few reason for that

    1 – We are talking to the player to see if he’s even interested in coming here
    2 – to see if the lads wage demands fall inside what we are willing to pay.

    By talking to him we have already been given permission by his club

  • 309 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    I’d accept it if we for Benteke and Remy in the summer. Cabella would be a good coup.

  • 310 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Haha, with us potentially signing 4 players and Man Utd signing none, I can see us beating them 6-0 this year.

  • 311 Ancientcoptic // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé – Haidara at left back, and that is exactly the side I would like to see put out for us.

  • 312 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Sounds like more press nonsense to me. It’s all speculation. If we get more than 1 player I would be surprised given our current league position and our famous underspending owner.

  • 313 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    G2 ha ha I was afraid to ask in case I forgot the NUFC Legend that is Wilkinson! 😀

    Anyone else not think we will end up with completely different signings from the names being spilled? That’s usually what happens isn’t it?

  • 314 beefman13 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    The FA Cup now only has the same prestige as the old league cup of years gone by, its flat as a pancake, only solution is to give the FA cup winner a ticket in to the Champions league. otherwise while the money men control football it cant get its spark back.

  • 315 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:00 PM


    Remy has already said he want’s CL football and seeing’s as he’s not gonna get that here we have little to no chance of signing him permanently

  • 316 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Yes Tsunki mate I’m still raving about the amazing Wilkinson myself. You don’t get players like that very often. And to think Pardew was actually able to improve him! 🙂

  • 317 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    So to clarify a source close to Ashley has told Sky that we are in talks with de Jong but no bid has been made!! He is top transfer target!! We haven’t offered anything but want him on loan, how hard can that be to arrange and I’m sure sure poet signed someone on loan who was his top target on 1st Jan

    Bills yes 4 players have been sanctioned but remember Cabaye will be leaving in the summer along with Colo so whoever comes in now will have to replace these players let’s see who the players are first before sucking MA off

  • 318 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    We might have a chance of making the CL if we sign 4 quality players.

  • 319 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    How much longer is Moyes going to have at Old Trafford?

    He’s completely out of his depth there

  • 320 beefman13 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Oi chunks, you still on the tabs???

  • 321 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:07 PM


    I’m critical of this because the big news is no news, we haven’t been given permission to speak to the player because no offer has been made, he has been identified as the top target, when was the last time we got our top transfer target?

    Luuk De Jong x2

  • 322 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:07 PM

  • 323 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    I wonder if we’ll all get an e mail offering the last nine games for £ 150 after the club announce Mike Ashley has sanctioned the signing of four players ???
    I’d wait till their in the bag before saying I told you so, you’ve just got rid of that egg on your face from last summer.

  • 324 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    Solskjaer is on 4 million a year at Cardiff, Big Sam is on the same at West Ham……………………………and people why we have Pardew as manager???

    would any of them work for 500k a year???

    i seriously doubt it

  • 325 Hatem's better than Messi // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    We might have a chance of making the Champions League … wtf lol.

    Either Pardew is so thick that he keeps repeating the same mistakes every time we play in a cup, or the club don’t want a cup run to get in the way of our mission to compete for eighth place.

    Suck it up this is the way it is.
    We’re not trying to win anything.

    Ashley is happy with our cup record or Pardew would be out.

  • 326 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:12 PM


    Spot on mate, let’s see who the 4 players are!! De Jong will join us on loan but in the summer he will be up for grabs we will have an option to buy but he might want to see who else is interested in him!! I’m not a fan of loan deals unless the club is struggling financially!! Remy on loan and made it clear he doesn’t want to stay!! These aren’t signings just stop gaps

  • 327 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Our Toon

    IF, we are indeed talking to the player then we HAVE been given permission by his club, either that or we are talking to him outside the bounds of the code of professional conduct but seeing’s as its being reported we are talking to him I doubt we are

  • 328 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    If we signed De Jong on loan – with a view to a permanent deal and Remy Cabella, I would be impressed.

    If the other 2 signings that MA is supposedly due to sanction are of the Obertan, Marveaux variety – ie Gomis, then he can keep them as far as I am concerned.

    Sign quality, not quantity.

    As always, I will keep my assessments of incomings/outgoings to myself until 1st February.

  • 329 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:14 PM


    Sorry mate but you of all people have no right to call anyone on previous comments made

  • 330 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    It’s de Jong and four more on top Gomis is definitely one of the four, Shola is certain to move on this month along with Jonas,Obertan,Marveaux and most of the fringe crap.

  • 331 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    In fairness mate they was saying that about sir alex when he took over at manure !!
    On benteke………unsure pal,Has he had his purple patch like cisse did ??

  • 332 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:16 PM


    Watch out, the egg might be flying in your direction.

    You and others were adamant, no signings at all if we were top ten in Jan.

    An egg in your face for every signing 🙂

  • 333 MosesNUFC // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Hopefully this will be our transfer window:

    Obertan (1m)
    Jonas (1.5m)
    Marveaux (3m)
    Ameobi (0.5m)

    Thomas Vermaelen (6m)
    Remy Cabella (10m)
    Tom Ince (4m)
    Bafe Gomis (2m)
    Luuk De Jong (LOAN)

  • 334 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:20 PM


    I understand what your saying but the fact remains we haven’t made an offer for the player he’s just been identified as the top target mate, the talks mentioned probably went like this: JFK “is that Luuk kid available on loan” BM “yes” JFK “ok thanks”

    All we’ve done so far is found out that the lad is available on loan we have agreed any loan deal we have agreed any kind of transfer!!

  • 335 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    Don’t want to see Marveaux leave.

  • 336 HullMag6 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    So gomis tweeted he’s coming then removed it. Sky sports saying in talks with luuk de jong, cabella rumour not going away. Stalling on letting Gosling go – trying to manoeuvre a Tom Ince move?

    Rumours that Ash has said 4 in NONE out.

    What gives?

  • 337 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Ruddy-Impressed….now there’s a first !!

  • 338 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    The more egg the better.

  • 339 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM


    He seems to forget that we don’t support the club to rub it in other fan’s faces.


    I’m capable of acknowledging when he does things right – he just does not do things right.

  • 340 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM


    I think you’ve used up all the eggs for one season

  • 341 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    @ Kets

    Neither do I .

    Don’t think he has been given anywhere near a fair crack of the whip . I honestly don’t think he has had more than two starts in a row .

  • 342 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    Lads we have identified 4 potential signings including Luuk, not Luuk de Jong plus 4!!

  • 343 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:24 PM


    I admitted I got it wrong last summer.

    Unlike those who swore blind we’d sell at least two and possibly three top players.

    I’ve made no predictions at all about this window but plenty have stated that Ashley will sign nobody if we are in the top ten.

    Let’s see, and if we do let’s see what they have to say.

  • 344 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Don’t believe anything until they sign. We generally get linked to players and then sign someone totally different.

    Interesting period tho.

  • 345 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    4 first team signings would be enough until the summer. Get rid of Obertan, Gosling, Tavernier and Shola. Loan out Sammi and Dummett.

  • 346 Ciaran // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM


    Who has said we will not sign anyone this window out of interest, or are you speculating?

  • 347 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    Readings goalkeeper Alex McCarthy is signing to replace Elliott or Krul hopefully.

  • 348 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    Remy wants Champs League football (oh and a big paycheque by the way). He won’t get either from Ashley. Shola is done like dinner. I’m amused by all the positive spin coming out about 4 signings but let’s wait and see. Joe hasn’t even addressed the squad’s problems let alone the coming departure of Colo who is often injured now anyway and the aging Ameobi. For an 8th place team we look very shaky on the bench. I’m not sure we’ll be 8th for much longer. Fortunately there is a big gap between us and 10th place Hull (10 points, amazing). And to think it’s Hull in 10th is amazing as well. I just can’t believe the complete collapse of West Ham. Didn’t see anything as severe as that coming but Carroll has been a complete disaster for them with his injuries. The complete Fulham collapse somewhat surprised me as well. Nobody could have been surprised by Sunderland though. 😆

  • 349 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:27 PM


    Don’t worry,

    I’ve saved a few rotten eggs for you.

  • 350 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Just a thought lads, how good is Luuk de Jong? Are we signing him because he can play in midfield and attack? The lad has failed in Germany no 2 ways about it!!

  • 351 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:29 PM


    no need mate as unlike you I stand by everything I’ve said and haven’t turned my back on comments made and cwtched back up to Uncle Mike

  • 352 Marty-Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Seemingly Ashley didn’t want to spend on a private jet but sent a ticket for Ryanair flight for Gomis and he wasn’t at the gate an hour before so they didn’t allow him on the plane 😉

  • 353 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Our Toon

    He looked very, very good while playing in Holland but for one reason or another things haven’t worked out for the lad in Germany, as with every signing it will be a risk, but a risk we have to take

  • 354 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Geordie Two

    Add Cabaye to that list of departures and I would say HBA because he will be in final yr of contract

  • 355 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM


    Alfonso Alves was also incredibly good in the Dutch league along with the a lot of others who unfortunately haven’t made the grade elsewhere!! He was as prolific as Bony or RVW yet they haven’t set the PL alight, jury is out on Luuk de Jong

  • 356 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:35 PM


    Standing by everything you’ve said and being right on everything you’ve said are two different things.

    Unlike you I’m not perfect.

    Must be nice, congratulations.

  • 357 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    I have categorically stated that no first team players will be signed this window, loan signings excepted, I’d love to have egg on my face.

  • 358 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Out of all the European leagues the German League is the closest to the premier league, if you don’t make the grade in Germany you will struggle in England

  • 359 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Our toon
    I don’t think de jong has really had that much of a chance as kruse and mlapa have frozen him out.
    Personally the loan deal depends on what the fee is for a permanent deal before I would conclude its a cracking deal for nufc

  • 360 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Alfonso Alves. ..

    The worsr Brazilian since David Blunkett shaved his lasses fanny with a blunt razor.

  • 361 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    De Jong, Gomis, McCarthy, and Dekoke

  • 362 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    I think we will sign a couple of players for the first team and not the 4 currently being spun by the club, the signings we make will be enough to convince fans to renew season tickets!!

  • 363 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:40 PM


    You weren’t the only one to say the same thing.

    There were plenty.

  • 364 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM


    I’m far from perfect and have never claimed to be, I’m not always right and have never claimed that I am, but unlike you I don’t make grand pronouncements and then scurry away from them at the first opportunity and then openly look to rub other posters noses in it when they are percieved to be wrong

  • 365 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    It’s an interesting time of year as Troy says. I’m loving watching ManU lose and Moyes squirm. Beautiful. I wish I could say the same for Man City, Chelsea, and Liverpool but they are very good sides, as is Arsenal most of the time. We’re a strange club that nobody can really understand. From 5th to 16th to 8th. Almost anything is possible from season to season with Captain Bizzarro Mike Ashley leading the way.

  • 366 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM


    Name examples.

  • 367 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Our Toon

    As we don’t know why things haven’t worked out for the lad it’s a hard one to call.

    All I know is that if it’s a toss up between de Jong and Go Miss, I’d take de Jong every day of the week

  • 368 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    If we are getting players in – would be great to get a couple signed up for the Man Chitty game

  • 369 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    Pardew will still be here though!

  • 370 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Don’t claim to know De jong is better than gomis-You will be hammered again lol !!

  • 371 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Jazzy P

    If he can’t replace them Kruse and Mlapa then that doesn’t fill me with great confidence especially considering Mlapa hasn’t even played for BM this season, 24 games last season and 6 goals and 2 assists, 13 sub apps this season no goals and no assists (2 shots at goal)

  • 372 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM


    I’m not trolling though months and months of posts to openly show you up, suffice to say lay off the egg throwing that’s all. We have all got things wrong but getting some twisted hard-on in calling people out on it is poor

  • 373 GeordieTwo // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    It’s been a slice again mates. Jeff from Benwell is unhappy but maybe he hasn’t received his Manly Man chest hair yet? That’s bound to cheer him up. And if Pardew can continue to improve Wilkinson we may have a real World Cup contender there.

  • 374 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM


    I had the displeasure of watching Gomis twice and it’s not something I want to see the lad reproduce in our shirt 🙁

  • 375 t00ntime // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Dont know if its been said here because I cant be bothered to read all the comments lol. But I saw a few people mention Gomis’s tweet. The tweet was fake, no verified sign. But (According to gfn) we have started talking to OL

  • 376 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM


    We are crying out for a striker with hold up play, both de Jong and go is are poor at that aspect of the game, I see de Jong as similar to Remy but less pace and not as ruthless in front of goal

  • 377 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Gomis is miles better than Shola.

  • 378 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    Our Toon

    the sad thing is we have the perfect striker already at the club but we will not be able to keep a hold of him

  • 379 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    Gomis and Shola are different types of strikers, Gomis knows where the goal is and goal shy Shola has somehow made a living out of football!!

  • 380 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM


    Lay off the egg throwing?

    If you read Jail’s post at 323 he started it and I carried on a bit of banter which is par for the course between me and him.

    You then jumped in with your own egg comment and I threw one back.

    And you blame me 🙂

  • 381 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    Gomis is big and mobile and Shola is just big!

  • 382 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    My bad on mlapa.
    Personally would choose having ba back over both gomis and de jong
    De jong would be a satisfactory January transfer window and take less pressure of the cf position come shola and Remy’s departure

  • 383 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM


    Who would that Perfect striker be? I unlike others believe Remy is better coming in from the wing, he got his first 5 goals that way for us, the lad just isn’t an out and out striker!! Do you not think Shola was a better player when he had his gum shield in?

  • 384 croftus5678 // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    well ashley apparently come out and said he will support upto 4 signings !!!

    gomis put on twitter the move to toon is on (gotta say for the reported 2mil fee i heard this seems a very good deal with remy not being ours and shola on his way)

    talks ongoing for luuk also on loan with a view to perm this time round (one deal that would get me excited tbh as i rate the hell outa this lad even though he’s off form atm)

    this cabaye lad (not seen much apart from he was rated at 100mil not long back and what i’ve seen on youtube which shows him to be skillfull but a diver and avg winger imo not a world class one) would prefere ince tbh but can see him going elsewhere.

    and lastly hettinger (everton) an avg defender but an upgrade imo from saylor who would apparently snap our hands off at a transfer + he’s experianced international and prem defender and we all know everton know about team work so could do with some of that rubbing off on our players.

    gosling out by the looks of it and maybe ober so far so its looking very good atm imo.

  • 385 Newcastle for alltid // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    I would welcome De Jong. He hasn`t quite made it in Germany, and a loan deal to see how he works in the PL is a win-win situation for both parties IMO.
    Cabella is an interesting one. Lots of talent, and making a name for himself in France. I do doubt that we`ll sign him though, as I expect a “bigger” club to come in and snatch him in the end – like Dortmund did with Aubameyang last year. Then again, I didn`t expect Sissoko to sign for us either. 🙂

    As for Loic Remy, I doubt he`ll commit to us long-term. We won`t offer him the wages he`s on at QPR. If they go straight up he`ll be gone. Also, if a top club comes in, he`ll be gone. We`ll just have to enjoy what he brings to the team this season, and hope for the best!

  • 386 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    Our Toon

    Remy, as he has pace, strength and is clinical when through on goal.

    Strikers are a premium and when we are unwilling or unable to pay big money we are very limited as to who we can actually sign

  • 387 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    We all seem to be forgetting that getting rid of Saylor and Shola etc will mean that the squad has lees than the requirement of English based players, in a squad of 25 we need 8 players trained in England including 4 home grown trained by the club sailor and Shola are the home grown players, we can’t replace these players with foreigners as we won’t meet the league requirements

  • 388 croftus5678 // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    someone on here mentioned the other day if we dont get champ league remy will be gone !

    and i completely agree + the fact that i think its 95% sure we wont get champ league so i’m just enjoying him while he’s here.

  • 389 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Remy is a good finisher but is not a team player, ppl say that about HBA but completely miss what Remy does every game!! The pen against Stoke sums him up….in it for himself, Remy has decent pace but isn’t really quick, koscielny of arsenal out paced him!! Good job he was quicker than mertasacker though. I agree we should spend more or pay more money for players but limiting ourselves to ligue 1 is not good

  • 390 Hatem's better than Messi // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM


  • 391 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    Our Toon

    Remy is using his time here to gain himself a move to a CL club so he’s always going to be selfish when given the chance though showing that he’s a player that works for the team and not for himself would improve his chances, but as long as he scores the goals the clubs will come calling

  • 392 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    If the right choices are made this window, we could be in for an exciting finish to the season.

    We are in a good starting position for the second half of the season and it’s all to play for in terms of a Europa place.

    It’s down to Ashley to pull it off. There lies the problem. 😉

  • 393 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    After Remys blistering start he has 1 goal in his last 9 games with 0 assists, there is a reason why the bigger clubs don’t look at him

  • 394 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    I’d rather have Ba than De Jong. Sod Ince, he’s poor.

  • 395 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Been out for a while
    note to self
    check predictive text

  • 396 Hatem's better than Messi // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    My cat did the post at #390 … I have no idea what the symbol after q is … it’s not on my keyboard … lol

  • 397 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    Our toon… What are you talking about mate? Thats not the rule at all. The rule is that you cannot have more than 17 non home grown players above 21 in your squad, a non homegrown player is just someone who have trained in england since he was 17, he dosnt need to be english or be trained by us. For instance Williamson counts as home grown, even though he didnt go through our academy, as is Krul even though he is dutch. So the long and the short of it is, that we can buy anyone we want and add them to the squad, someone else who isnt homegrown will just have to leave the squad, such as Obertan, Jonas or Curtis Good. Anyone below 21 can be in the squad no matter if they are homegrown or not. And for the record, besides saylor and ameobi, we have Krul, Williamson Gosling (Loaned out though), Raylor and Elliot.

  • 398 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    third line shouldnt say NON homegrown.

  • 399 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM


    I know Remy is using us but for that reason alone I despise loan deals, btw Cisse is in better form than Remy, 2 in 2 for Cisse just a thought!!

    Citeh away from home are a bit Jekyll n Hyde if we attack them we can win, if we sit off them we will get tonked

  • 400 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    Troy Stavers,
    You’re dead right there, it’s been a shite week but four good signings and another good run and WBA and Cardiff will be forgotten, up to the fat man.

  • 401 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:31 PM


    He’s not fat anymore.

    Just cuddly.

  • 402 JackButler // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    Our Toon

    We don’t go and attack the like’s of Cardiff, Hull and sunderland so the chances of us going for it against City are way beyond slim

  • 403 belgrade fan // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

    I said yesterday after Cardiff game that we will be linked with million players. But after that it will start with- we couldn because off…. I personally dont believe that MA came and said lets buy 4 players.

  • 404 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:38 PM


    I said we must have 8 home grown players you say we must have no more than 17 non home grown players, if you do your maths it works out at 25, a squad of no more than 25 players must be submitted!! At what point did I say home grown players must be British? I suggest you read what I put

    4 players of the 8 home grown players (trained in England) must be trained by our academy for minimum of 3 years and before there 21st b’day, Saylor, Krul, Shola, Sammy, are classed as homegrown (trained by academy) Williamson and raylor are classed as home trained but not home grown maybe I didnt clarify it well enough for you but you misinterpreted what I put, please read fully before commenting

    As I said Shola is classed as homegrown as is Saylor, replacing these with hetinga and Gomis wouldn’t be the smartest move

    Final note on this subject, Scott Sinclair said that Mancini didn’t even speak to him when he joined, he never once acknowledged him, it became apparent he only signed him because of this daft rule

  • 405 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Lacina Traore has joined Monaco from Anzi for undisclosed fee but thought to be cut price as they are in relegation and struggling financially!! West ham are in talks to loan him from Monaco!! Traore would be exactly the type of forward we would be looking for

  • 406 Charlietoon // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    I pray the day Shola is not our ‘answer’ off the bench….

  • 407 theycallmeparv // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    I’m a first time poster but I just have to say that Ciaran is possibly the biggest tosser to ever post on this site.


    I think it’s absolutely ridiculous to even assume that Mike Ashley wants just to be a mid-table club. I’m not a fan of his and I’m just as shocked by some of his outlandish decisions as the rest of you but come on, get real.
    Newcastle being a top 4 club is nothing but lucrative to him. Yeah he may be very tight with the money but that’s just down to him being a business man and more than likely a very cautious one. Again, I don’t think is right but I have full confidence that in time when we have consecutive success he will start to offer us more and more.
    Also, Hatem Ben Arfa is by far our best player. Given a run of games, he would be as effective for us as Messi is for Barcelona. I rate Pardew as a manger but I think due to his unsuccessful resume, he’s also very cautious. He does settle but again, in time, this will change. Have faith in your club and stop being so damn fickle!

  • 408 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Our toon… Sorry man, but that was NOT what you said. Its nothing to get into a fight about, but you said, and I quote “We all seem to be forgetting that getting rid of Saylor and Shola etc will mean that the squad has lees than the requirement of English based players”. You are talking about a requirement of English players. There ARE NO requirements to have English based players. You then go on to say “we need 8 players trained in England including 4 home grown trained by the club” Which is also completly wrong… Yah 17 plus 8 equals 25, im glad you know your math, but we dont “need” 8 players trained in England, its just a plus to make a full squad. Unless ofcourse you have allot of good youngsters below 21. Furthermore, NOWHERE does it say that you need 4 players who was trained by the academy. Before you go and get angry and throw accusations that I dont read your post, perhaps you should try and read through mine? Or if you dont believe me, go to the EPL’s official site

  • 409 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Right last season we said imagine if we signed Debuchy , Sissoko and Mbiwa in the one window and guess what ?THAT HAPPENED!

    If we signed De Jong, Ince , Carbella and Gomis and got rid of some of the deadwood I would walk from Glasgow to Newcastle to shake Pardew and Ashley’s hand

  • 410 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    jeff from Benwell – who the hell is Wilkinson?

  • 411 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    santon… That would be some great signings, although im not that sold on Gomis. Is he really good enough or do people just want him in for the sake of it?

  • 412 jimmysmith // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    The transfer policy under Ashley seems very good. We have a strategy that seems to work and we stick to it, albeit too rigidly perhaps, eg. 18 months ago. It’s not easy to remodel a squad and we seem to have done extremely well here. I think you can’t buy unless the right players are available and you’ll never make great decisions all the time.

    I think we need 4 upgrades on what we have. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we were vigorously chasing that many. It would surprise me if we pulled it off though, even though we did exactly that last year.

    I’m ambivalent towards Ashley because I think he was largely responsible for our relegation, also because of the renaming of St James’, Wonga, the free Sports Direct advertising and a host other lesser misdemeanors, but so far I see no reason to think he hasn’t put the club on a sound financial footing overall and is putting the money generated back in responsibly or that he has any other plan.

    As always, I think you can only really wait and see, and voice concern when you feel it necessary, but I don’t see any reason to be overly upset right now about the state of things, other than hoping he might show a little more largesse with his own money, but how reasonable is that, really.

  • 413 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:20 PM

    Personally I would prefer Zouma to Gomis… I know we are well off in the CD department. But as much as I respect the comeback Williamson have made, it frightens me a bit that he is the rock we build our defense around. Dont get me wrong, he is a decent player, but not what we need if we are to strive higher. He lacks technique, pace and have a tendency to hack it away even when he is under no immediate pressure, we should keep him for backup though. We also have Colo with one foot out the door and I dont really know what to expect from saylor in the future? I hear allot about him being unfit.

  • 414 IITianToon // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    Our Toon I think you have got it worng mate .. read this from the official site..

    This says that we can have 17 non HGP and even just 6 HGP over 21. This is why the official site states that squad size of 23 is possible.

    I have no idea where you got the 4 from academy requirement from . An official link would be helpful.

  • 415 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:28 PM


    you obviously don’t read every post or you would have seen my earlier whinge about predictive text.
    I’ll give you a hint , it’s not Guttierrez

  • 416 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    By the way I started to type Jonas surname and my feckin pc changed it to Guttering

  • 417 lesh // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM


    The worst Brazilian since David Blunkett shaved his lasses fanny with a blunt razor.

    Bills, you’ve a vivid imagination!

    And a chorus of……. Oh, oh Dekoke kokey, oh oh Dekoke kokey, knees band, arms stretch…

    361mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:39 PM

  • 418 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    Just to clarify the rules on this squad thing I admit I did make an error so apologies to You Valle, for EL or CL we would need 4 home grown with 8 trained in UK of over 21 (age) players, thought same rules applied for prem!! Taking that into account and the need to not want to be in such competitions we have no fear in that area

    In the league if we are to submit a squad of 25 we need a minimum of 8 HG players within that squad, or at least that is my understanding, we can have less but this then means that kids wouldn’t go out on loan they would remain at club just so we can make the numbers up, minimum numbers allocated would be 16 I believe (not read the rules) however this doesn’t get away from the fact that we need more HG talent coming through, whether that’s via our academy or others we need to invest because the kids (Vuckic, tavenier) are pretty awful

    Why is Raylor registered? He’s out for the season?

    25 reg players = 8 HG
    24 reg players = 7 HG
    23 reg players = 6 HG

    Think you get the drift, players under the age of 21 don’t need to be registered

    Apologies Valle confused the 2 laws PL and European Cups

  • 419 Our Toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    I agree that Zouma is the lad everyone is talking about at st etienne and not the kid we are close to signing!! Zouma should be a given considering his age and talent!! Luuk De Jong, I’m on the fence about him, I was when we first tried to sign him and I’m still not convinced, the fact he has failed big time in Germany doesn’t fill me with great confidence!!

  • 420 sweendog // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

    Anyone realise this source could be non other than the rant machine that is JFookinK.. Just a thought before we all get our hopes up

  • 421 lesh // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM

    Nowt to do with football, but Mrs Brown (as in Boys), reading the paper.

    Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!


  • 422 sweendog // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM

    anyone think this source is non other than the rant machine that is JFK.. just a thought before we think these are done deals

  • 423 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    Sweendog; definitely. Joke in ear bullshit I think. Time will tell.

  • 424 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:14 PM


    To be honest Gomis is not really that great but he offers more than Cisse and Shola combined if we got the other 3 and then him we could make an assault on the top 4

  • 425 Mister Tuff // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    Jail -evening – I see you mentioned earlier on a query about Remy’s bail. It is a very strange situation with his police bail having been extended a couple of times. Normally the cops would be criticised for extending bail – but currently there is absolutely no time limits on how long the cops can keep on bailing people. There are currently calls from the Law Society and senior cops to put a time limit on police bail, with periods of 3 months or 6 months being proposed. Basically the bad side of this is that you can keep somebody’s life in limbo with them not knowing whether they are going to be released from their bail or charged. However, as with all these things -delays will subsequently have to be justified by the cops/CPS.
    Anyway back to Remy -unfortunately we are not in a position to accurately work out what is happening and any comments would only be speculation and would only be useful to add to the debate. However, we could speculate a little.
    Normally, police bail is extended to allow the cops to finalise all their enquiries or to pursue enquiries perhaps suggested by the CPS. One thing is for sure is that if there was absolutely no evidence against him and the two other guys and no likelihood of any further evidence being found -we probably would have heard about it by now -ie Remy released without charge. I think this scenario would have been quite probable up to the initial bail date (in September) and then the subsequent bail date in November – possibly the cops being advised by the CPS to pursue a particular line -which did not come to fruition.
    The further bail extention suggests to me something more is happening behind the scenes – it may well be trying to find evidence from computers/mobile telephones and then getting witness statements from people worldwide to prove or disprove this type of evidence. Sadly (now this is speculation in respect of Remy) blokes involved in “gang” type rapes are usually worse the wear from drink and do stupid things such as using their mobile phone cameras to “record the events” or discuss the event subsequently.
    Bottom line is nobody knows what is going to happen and we’re just going to have to wait and see -so perhaps speculation really is not going to inform the debate.
    Rape is a serious offence and can only be dealt with at the Crown Court and carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Upon conviction the judge has certain starting points as to how he works out what the actual sentence would be and would then consider both aggravating and mitigating factors. So for a victim over the age of 16 years the starting point would be 8 years -aggravating factors would be 1. multiple offenders 2. Use of drugs, alcohol or other substance to facilitate the offence. 3. sustained attack – there are several others.
    So the bottom line is if you are convicted you are going to jail for a very long time. In the case of a professional footballer aged mid twenties -your career will end.
    I’m sure having all this in the background must effect Remy -there may have been some initial euphoria in joining the Toon -which may have been used to “blank out” reality -but I’m sure as hell when he realises the potentials -he must – if you pardon the expression be crapping himself. It should be said that rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove -usually it’s one persons word against another. However, we are led to believe in this case there are three suspects. It would be my experience that getting three persons to all come out with the same story to be on the unusual side.

  • 426 valle // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Our toon… No probs mate, we all make mistakes. And yah I think you got it right. You can submit as small a squad as you want. 11 or even 10 players, but you can only ever register a squad of 17 non homegrown players. To go about 17 players in the squad, the rest would have to be homegrown, meaning trained in England (Or Wales although I aint sure about that?) since they were at least 17 or 36 months before they turn 21. So all in all, to improve the quality we can look all over the world, but to improve the squad, a certain part would have to be found on English shores, for instance Ince for Gosling.

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