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Newcastle 1 Cardiff 2 – Goals – Video Highlights

10:23 am, Sunday, January 5th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 190 Comments

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Ben Arfa in action yesterday

Here is the video of all the goals yesterday.

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190 responses so far ↓

  • 1 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    We have a decent squad but we only have imo two quality players who consistently produce quality pervormances and that is Debuchy and Tiote.Our midfield as a unit is far more a hard working one than a free running, creative, fast attacking unit like Arsenal or City’s and thats why we rarely look exciting or create many chances.HBA is the only real game changer we have and he isn’t consistent.I said a few weeks ago that our squad had never been as bad as some suggested at the start of the season but neither was it as good as some were saying when we were 5th.

  • 2 bzak12 // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Pardew has been backed in from 50/1 to 11/4 overnight to be next manager to be sacked. God let this happen.

  • 3 Thump // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Repost from that “Devalue the cup” article.

    @bills-son: I think that comment is the first of yours that I completely agree with. There is no winning situation here. In fact, you could actually make an argument that it would be more (financially) advantageous for a club like Newcastle to profit more from winning two cup ties, getting knocked out and focusing on the league.

    I’ll always remember the 1998 final where Arsenal took us apart 2-0. My dad took us all to Byker for the occasion and it was bloody brilliant. The streets were lined with carnival rides and games, facepainting etc. and every single bar was heaving. My dad ended up sitting me on a table just in front of the bar in Jackson’s so I could watch the match relatively free from obstruction. Despite losing 2-0 (and the following year) it was a bloody brilliant time. The entire City had been done up for the honour of competing in the final. Why can’t we get some of that back? We’ve shown we can go toe to toe with the big boys so why the hell do we fall at the first hurdle? Before anybody points fingers at Pardew and blames tactics; this has been an issue long before Pardew and it will continue to be an issue. The problem seems to be endemic to the club. Maybe those 40+ years is too much pressure for some of our players.


  • 4 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    there’s one thing that SBR & KK gave Newcastle that AP couldn’t in a million years give Newcastle

    and that’s HUNGER

    back in the day the awaken giants where hungry for success fair enough we didn’t win any silverware but we were in the Champions league, cup finals, the players were so determined and hungry.

    but now though it’s gone until we find a proper chairmen & Manager who are hungry for success.

  • 5 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    I really hope Ashley opens the wallet this window. 3 decent signings would make a world of difference to our squad. And not stupid money either.

  • 6 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:38 AM


    pardew is a walking excuse. it’s what he does!!!

  • 7 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Black and white

    Sorry to keep having a pop at you but those days we were the big spenders. Keegan and Robson had money to burn and also the premier leagues greatest ever striker.

    Pardew has none of that. It’s not pardews fault that Ashley won’t give him any money. 20 mlilliom this transfer window and it would transform us.

  • 8 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:41 AM


    it won’t make a difference if MA bought in very good players, AP will somehow mess it up, he probably couldn’t win a game with Barcelona or Madrid if he was a Manager there.

  • 9 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    it’s not signings it’s a decent manager that’s needed.

    Why bring in more creative playmakers and goal scorers whose careers he’ll just ruin. Cisse and ben Arfa look shadows of their former selves now. How about getting them back on form first.

  • 10 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:41 AM


    Excellent summing up whats gone wrong not just with Newcastle United and the FA Cup but the FA cup in General.

    A complete overhaul of Festive Fixtures and the FA Cup third round is needed

  • 11 SharpEnough23 // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Newcastle are like our national team, always the nearly men, can never cope with the expectations of so many passionate supporters

  • 12 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM


    true mate, but Pardew wanted Bent at Newcastle and no doubt Carr was laughing at the thought of it.

    we are lucky to have one of the top scouts to recognised talent because if we didn’t no doubt Pardew would of made us into another Stoke.

  • 13 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Pardew will not be sacked. He isn’t the best manager and is far to negative with his style of play which is not entertaining but the main thing is that Ashle isn’t pumping in 100′s of millions so will settle for steady improvement in results, which pardew is delivering in a way.

    Football is about 2 different things.

    Players/managers – winning is the only thing

    fans – to be entertained and to win

    If the manager can win ugly every week he will be delighted, the owner (most of the time, unless Abramovich) will be delighted and so will fans (but they will also want to see some fluid, attacking, dominating displays). If a team win ugly fans might not like it but they will at least see the benefit.

    When a team plays good football and loses it’s not great but at least you get some entertainment, when a side plays ugly and loses you get nothing enjoyable out of the game.

    Ashley has slowly built a decent squad, that team yesterday was full of quality, it’s the negative mindset that hampers us.

    As Pardew said “we contained them first half”….it’s Cardiff not Madrid, why aren’t we giving them things to worry about instead of worrying about them.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM


    top of the class for missing the point.

    We have a very good squad, one of our best ever seen at SJP. just because we haven’t spent fortunes but made very shrewd buys instead doesn’t mean we haven’t got a good squad.

    We’ve got half the current french national team ffs and people like marveaux and Jonas not even in the squad!!
    Our squad would be a gift to most intelligent managers.

  • 15 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    As long as you finish outside of the top 6 it doesn’t matter where you finish as long as you don’t get relegated!

    ..coaches in the EPL need to get some f*****g perspective!

    Any team outside of the top 6 should priorities the FA Cup and to some extend the Carling Cup (not both). We are going to end up somewhere between 8-12 with not Cup to show for (wow look at us)!

  • 16 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Rotonda heights@9

    Finally someone who understands the weak link to Newcastle.

  • 17 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Transfer Sage

    here here.

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Testing 1-2-3

  • 19 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM


    when he said ”we contained them”, ie a second string cardiff team near the bottom of the league with a new manager, at home and then also blamed the crowd , it told you absolutely everything you needed to know about pardew

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    As for Ashley wanting us out of the cup it’s stupid….difference in saying league is priority and saying we have no interest in cups.

    This cup round and the next are played on weekend so no prem fixtures are on….therefore still a weeks rest between games so no incentive to not go through this round.

    For me we put out a strong team…apparently krul, colo and cabaye injured with debuchy suspended. So only resting remy and willo, we surely can afford to rest 2 players. I’d rather go with our strongest side but that team should be beating Cardiff.

    The problem lies with how cautious we are, with being that cautious we need key men like cabaye, remy, ben arfa and previously cisse to do something magical…we only had 2 of them on the pitch and they couldn’t produce any magic. We never get enough forward in attack, look at us compared to other clubs

  • 21 sweendog // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    this game showed pardew up again .. like I said before the game willo should have played instead of Taylor .. remember Everton Willi made the difference .. also don’t change the spine too much .. 3rdly its a cup game so ATTACK … sooner pardew is out and a decent manager like pochetinno or laudrup the better

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    As long as you finish outside of the top 6 it doesn’t matter where you finish as long as you don’t get relegated!

    ..coaches in the EPL need to get some f@*k¤ng perspective!

    Any team outside of the top 6 should priorities the FA Cup and to some extend the Carling Cup (not both). We are going to end up somewhere between 8-12 with not Cup to show for (WOW look at us :) )!

  • 23 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Cheers black and white

    But for every one of you there’s a wolfie or a scout lapping up everything the charlatan and chancer utters.

  • 24 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Rotonda heights

    aye mate lol, but i’m used to it now. :)

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM


    I don’t like using interviews against a manager, it’s not that impotant usually as they often say things to protect the players, cover their backs, etc etc….they all try to be clever and gain some psychological advantage, which doesn’t matter.

    But I heard his worst excuse played on the BBC radio newcastle interview during the after game phone in. He actually said the ref put the whistle to his mouth, just before the first goal, but didn’t blow it, we switched off for a second and gave them half a yard to shoot and score.

  • 26 sweendog // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    does highlight we need a good commanding cb who loves to header ..but not a plodder .. also a striker and an ACM and winger .. then even pardew can get us top 8 .. a decent manager would have us top 6+ though

  • 27 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    BZA 12

    where did you see that, god i hope it’s true.

  • 28 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Has anyone read Niall and Biffas anylasis of the match at
    Anybody thinking Ashley will spend to try and get us into a competition the club clearly don’t want to be in is off their rocker.

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM


    The crowd was a bit low yesterday, typical of the FA Cup these days for some reason. For me clubs need to react and just drop ticket prices even more, most will only face one or two rounds of the cup anyway so might as well charge a low price, not like it’s a huge money spinner anyway, get kids in for free with adults for a fiver….might get more interested in the game doing this too….give everyone a chance to go, especially for large families the league is just too pricey.

    Also I think our previous team selections for cups might have but people off, why turn up to watch a second string….but we did lay a strong team yesterday, but we didn’t know they would until kick off.

  • 30 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM


    I agree we have a good squad. But I’d say maybe the 7th -8th best in the league. Where are we again???

    Think on next time before trying to get cocky!

  • 31 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Newcastle training ground news.

    ‘ young boy – Alan is the opposition penalty area that white box around the penalty spot?’

    ‘ Alan – no boy it’s the long line through the big centre circle!’

    ‘ young boy – I thought so since i always see our strikers there!’

  • 32 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:58 AM


    I agree, we don’t get enough forwads in attack but that imo is down to the players Pardew has to wotk with.

    Cabaye prefers to play deep, Tiote isn’t an attacking midfielder and Gouffran and Sissoko are working their butts off wide. That’s why we our chances are few and our wins are narrow.

    I’m not saying Pardew can’t do better but I don’t believe he is shackling a natural squad of freeflowing attacking potential.

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Does anyone think we will signing anyone here in January of importance?

  • 34 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:58 AM


  • 35 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Someone mentioned we scored 3 goals against Palace as it it was an achievement…

    Deary me. A deflection, own goal and a penalty… way to get 3 goals, Alan.

    And wow, 5 goals against Stoke… after 2 red cards.

    Great we got the wins, that isn’t the issue, it is the constant scraping and nicking of points which we do which a good group of players which infuriorates me. Plus, the excuses, oh the excuses.

    Pardew is so fortunate it is unbelievable.

    A lower league manager sacked from his last job to be handed a Premier League job on a plate by his gambling pal.

    This gamble will never pay off.

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM


    difficult to say what we will do, i don’t think the club wanted to be in europe last year, we played a week side in most group games but managed to progress….they knew they’d need to buy 7/8 players to really compete then and they didn’t want to do that one summer.

    But now, since we got those 5 last jan, we probably need just 3/4 to have a good depth for europe and that could be achieved in this window and the summer with not spending too much at once…so you never know.


    Spot on. As a fan i dont get excited by top ten or top 12, i get excited by playing in europe and cup runs. Football is all about finances for most these days and no longer about fans and wanting to win cups.

    Is this just typical of english footy? or other countries too

  • 37 Tommyy // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    I’m finding it disturbing how quickly we’re reverting to last seasons style of play, if Pardew can’t improve the way this team plays without having every single player fit then he’s no use to us.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM


    if we have the 7/8th best team in the league and we are currently 8th then the manager is doing the bare minimum surely?

  • 39 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    It is not just the cautious approach build up. It’s the end product.
    We do not possess/raely play the defence splitting ball, or the one two’s around the edge of the box as Arsenal and Man City do time and time again.
    Also we Do not have a Rooney or Saurez player who burst a lung to get into the box onto the end of a pull back/cross.

    Take yesterday time and time again Hiadarra got down the wing pulled the ball across the box and know one was in the box

  • 40 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    bills…it is down to the style of play Pardew employs…not the players (they were quite capable before they came here)

    …we play football where we double up on the wings and football where our central midfield neither have offensive obligations nor defensive; we just moan about our wide men not either tracking back or get into the box and score goals!

    You try to run that wing like that for 90 mins. Why do you think modern football have move on?

  • 41 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM


  • 42 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    i said yesterday Pardew will be converting back to his old style ( wish i kept my bloody mouth shut now )

  • 43 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    i think this is a reason why we should play through the middle using a 4-3-1-2 tactic.

    problem solved!

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM


    I agree to some extent but the manager is paid X amount and has more qualifications than us to solve these problems, you need to find a better way.

    For me i’d push the whole team up the pitch another 10/20 yards so not as big a gap between each are of the side for the oppositon to play in and press quick and hard to squeeze all space.

    I’d also just tell cabaye to stay a bit further up the field, give him no option, we have anita to come short and play the ball out and tiote to break play…i’d have remy, cisse, hba, gouff (3 of those 4) attacking and just say make sure you get forward as quick as possibly when in good possession. Tell them to come into the box when the ball is on the opposing wing, we just never attack in numbers enough.

    The only time we have and i was genuinely excited was when we had a few good dispays towards the end of the 6ht placed season, surely we can do that again can’t we….we have the same manager so surely he hasn’t forgotten that and we also have similar players but probably more quality and more suited to that style.

  • 45 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Bills, a front 3 of Remy, Ben Arfa, Cisse or Gouffran is a dream for most managers.

    Anita, Sissoko and Cabaye behind them.

    Plus an internation back line.

    Krul in goal.

    That team should be putting in good, positive, attacking performances regularly, I don’t care what anyone says otherwise.

  • 46 bzak12 // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Rotonda Check it out its on Oddschecker next manager to go he is second favorite behind fat Sam. I was looking at it last night and he was 50/1 with some bookies and 66/1 with others Mised my chance I would have chance a fiver on the chancer.

  • 47 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    TS…hard to really say mate :) but from what I can gather here on the continent most people here take pride plying in Europe (the cups that is)

    …it is what the spectators want to see and it is what most players aspire to)

    We just have a owner who don’t understand football and doesn’t really care! Why should we listen to him?

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:07 AM


    yeh that’s the problem, we need don’t see to have a way to get goals.

    - Some teams rely on killer palls through/over and pace to run in behind
    - Some rely on tika taka build up play, clever one twos and pulling teams apart to find a gap
    – some go direct and feed off scraps
    - some get the ball wide and flood the box with bodies/big men

    I don’t honestly know what out style is

  • 49 Tommyy // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    I’m also wondering when Ashley draws the line and decided he’s given Pardew enough resources and isn’t getting enough back. If we go on a big losing streak, 3 will surely become 4 and could easily become 5 or 6, is that enough to sway the balance?
    What we’ve learned from this season so far is that if we have everyone available then Pardew can grind out results. Is that good enough? Not for me, results are good yes but we need some impetus and drive about our game, someone mentioned above there’s no hunger, and they’re right. There’s a lack of common identity, the players go through the motions because they have no clear goal or sense of achievement.
    In my opinion we don’t need to look any further than Everton to witness how a man with ambition and drive can motivate and set up a deservedly winning team with players no better than ours.
    I’ve been behind Pardew this season but he is in desperate need of new coaches and finding a way to motivate these players.

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:10 AM


    I think it’s a sad state of academies in england as well.

    You look in other countries and when you play in europe they often bring a couple promising kids in who are their main talents, not a full 11 but a few either in the team or on the bench, just to give them exerience.

    Very few academies in england produce the quality of player to do this. Southampton are sensational at it, arsenal are ok too (but mainly develop talented 14-18 year olds from abroad) then not many others do now. Get the odd player but not enough.

    Our academy should be producing better quality so when we are short we have a player who can come in to the team/bench….obviously not for the longer term but to play on or two matches here and there

  • 51 Harley // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:10 AM


    That’s why I say he’s not doing a great job just a decent job. It’s half way mate, there’s plenty games still to come.

    In an earlier post (which I presume you didn’t see) I stated that 8th would be unsatisfactory with no cup runs either.

    However that is at the end of the season. At this stage I’d say its been a decent season up until the last 2 games.

    We’ve had 2 unexpected defeats and now all the hysteria starts again. I will change my mind if our season now implodes and we now go on a terrible run. But we have to wait and see now.

    So far not bad, here’s hoping we can do a bit better 2nd half of the season.

    So my view is that pardew is doing a decent job, which not a lot of people on here can understand. If you don’t say pardew is terrible, you are a pardew lover. There’s no in between.

  • 52 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    The big change that Martinez has made at Everton is to transform the midfield. He’s played Barkley an outstanding young talent, signed McCarthy as the DM and loaned Barry (an inspired signing imo) and Deulufou.

    Everton’s midfield is a street ahead of ours and Lukaku up top is better than anything we have.

    One thing I would agree on is that I would have liked Martinez here.

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Tommy…Ashley knows jack shit about football and in the 6 years he has owned Newcastle he has shown no signs of wanting learn!

    …he will do nothing unless his hands gets forced! He doesn’t care enough to do so…it is sad really :(

  • 54 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM


  • 55 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:13 AM


    The big question for me is progression.

    If you believe the club, and we should be able to trust them, then hughton was sacked as they believed he had taken the team as far as he could, he had reached his ceiling.

    So at what point do they look at pardew and say, well we have improved the team (however little/slowly people think it has improved during his time here) but the results have started to plateau.

    Or do they just stick with him as he does the minimum required….thats the test of ambition more so than buying a 30mil player

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    TS…I think you need a shuffle in the generation that coaches the top teams in England.

    …to many dinosaurs who still focus on the physical aspect of the game and sacrifices the technical part!

    It is very evident then you watch British football – there are the exeptions and then there are team who have the that leap like Swansea, Liverpool, Cardiff, Everton and SOTON.

  • 57 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:17 AM


  • 58 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    *have taken that leap (God this phone is killing me :( )

  • 59 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    getting goals – spot on.
    I think we need another ‘clever’ midfield player and ‘instictive’ forward who takes chance pops up in the right place.

    NOT easy to find at a reasonable ‘Ashley price is right’ player.

    We have got a ‘clever’ midfielder in HBA but needs to use it because he can deliver a killer ball but does not do it enough.

    PS. a lot of movement from Cisse yesterday but never got the pass he wanted as it takes us two touches to many to get it to him

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM


    yeh people do often seem to split everything into two camps regarding Ashley or Pardew….and sorry i never saw your earlier post.

    I think results wise we are doing ok, we have got the points which this side should get….nothing more but also nothing less. As you say, average performance so far but also agree it’s a half way point….things may get worse or may get better, we won’t know until it happens.

    My issue with Pardew is that I see him slowly improving our style, he has got us keeping the ball on the deck a bit more, he has cut out some long balls and he is clearly trying to get krul to pass it out more which is all good. The problem comes though in the intent of the team….no matter what style we play under him i always feel it’s a defensive brand of football and whilst a match can be entertaining as it’s tight, the actual football is never that entertaining as we are too deep/defensive.

    I’d take the Aussie cricket team as an example. They have made 1 change to their team that lost a series 3-0 six months a go and won 5-0 now. It took them the first defeat 3-0 to get it right but it’s paid off. They look at the england team and say yes you are better on paper but we are still good and we will take the game to you…we won’t let you just play in first gear in your natural game…if you want to win you have to cope with our pressure.

    Now if you have a terrible team like wigan had they can attack all they want but they will lose more than they win, but we have a pretty decent team, so attacking and taking the game to the opposition is what i think we should do.

    Just my opinion of course, sure plenty will not agree with me.

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Tommy…Ashley is just interested in the minimum workload on his part!

  • 62 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Krul (back from injury), Elliot, Alnwick
    Santon, Dummett, Haidara, Debuchy (sus, 2 games),
    R.Taylor (long term injury)
    Colo (inj 4-6wks), Willo, Yanga-Mbiwa, S.Taylor
    Cabaye (inj 2wks), Tiote, Sissoko, Anita, Bigirimana, Gosling
    Ben Arfa, Gouffy, Marveaux (fall out with Pardew),
    Obertan, Jonas (contract clause), Sammy
    Remy (loan), Cisse, Shola

    Well it’s not football manager 2014, but Stevie Taylor can go, Gosling can go, Obertan can go, one of Jonas and Marveaux can go, Shola can go.
    Which means we need some young englishmen in to meet the quota, which don’t come cheap unfortunately.
    A young centre back (or promote Good), a winger, an attacking midfielder, a pacy young striker and a centre forward please.
    Santa man you missed me out.

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    I would like to add something to what TS just described (which was very well put by the way), for a team like ours the most important thing is to KEEP THE BALL OUT OF OUR DEFENSE!

    …at all time! Do what you got to do to make that happen – that is the key to our success if you ask me! Period!

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM


    yeh our play to cisse sounded poor…just had radio so didn’t see but sounded like a mix of him running too early but also if he held his run to match the pass the chance would be gone as the defenders would have been able to cover him.


    I think when you look at the kids coming through in england it’s promising, very technical….barkley, gibbs (bit older now), jenkinson, wilshire, berahino, sturridge, zaha, sterling, llana, shaw, ward-prouse, clyne, a few more at southampton….sure i’ve missed a few.

    We have some very talented kids just not getting enough through and as a club we have been very poor at i, even long before ashley came here.

  • 65 kt97toonarmy // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    I was at the match yesterday. Although we lost it was the first time ive been in the gallowgate corner. The atomoshere u get there is class. Something i wont forget in a hurry. Ill forget the result nd the performance.

    On another note cisse needs to start against city. He has scored in the last 2 apperances he has had for us whereas shola couldnt score on a pitch by himself

    Ive never heard of this kid honestly tho that title. I thought it was cabella.

  • 66 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    Transfer sage

    How many we brought through recently? Can think of Krul, Steve Taylor and Shola and they weren’t even recent. Alnwick, Dummett, Bigi and Sammy struggling to break through.

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    Just playing devil’s advocate but there was a caller on radio newcastle yesterday, saying we rested too many, the pundit (John Anderson) then said well krul, colo, cabaye, had a knock.

    The caller replied, yeh fine i accept that but i bet mos of them have recovered from the knock for the league games…nobody was injured during the busy period in the league and nobody was tired/injured when we were winning.

    Obviously can’t prove it’s a lie, and no reason to go along with it, but interesting all the same.

  • 68 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    TS…yeah Newcastle has always been poor at that :(

    …nothing new there sadly!

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    TS…we all like a good old conspiracy theory ;)

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:30 AM


    we just don’t produce the kids here….granted you can only produce if there is talent but football is huge in this region, plenty open space/green fields to play on compared to parts of the south, we are a one club city/region so should pull a lot in too.

    I honestly think the best thing the club could do is look at top academies….southampton, barca, ajax, etc and offer a member of their staff the head role of our academy….probably won’t get their top men but get somebody who has experience in a top environment and see if he wants to build his own academy and take some reward/fame for developing a team.

  • 71 kt97toonarmy // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Both goals we conceded we criminal! Just awful defending. I think taylor proved that hes average. Nothing more my team for city



  • 72 martoon // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Could someone answer this – When Pardew didn’t rotate the squad over Christmas he was lambasted on here for not using his squad and resting some players. When he does rotate the squad for a cup match with a team still with 7 or 8 internationals then people on here say he should have played his strongest squad which is it?

  • 73 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Deffo agree that Pardew is trying has changed our style of play and someone must be working with the defence and Krul in passing to them instead of hoofing it upfield.
    I would start Cisse upfront with Remy on yesterday’s game his movement and running was excellent just need to get the ball to him quicker

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM


    it will be interesting to see if krul and cabaye recover from these knocks….and if cabaye is injured why are we letting him fly to france and not making him rest/work with our physio.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:34 AM


    For me you have to look at where is your chance of winning something…for me it’s the cups. Play a strong side in the cups and if players need a rest in the league give them a rest, if they don’t need one that’s fine.

    I have no real problem with the team put out yesterday, would have liked remy and willo in seeing as were already missing 4 (krul, colo, debuchy and cabaye) so shouldn’t have changed that many.

    But still that team should have won the game, that’s the let down, it’s the style of play more so than the team that cost us yesterday

  • 76 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    TS…here in Denmark a lot of people take a Master from the University in sports (not sure what they are called in English) and there is even special educations run by Team Denmark.

    It is these kind of people who are coaching the young ones here in Denmark. Qualified people; and we are not even as good as some other Countries :)

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    TS…that last part always seems to beat me. It was the same last season with both Benny and Colo. Why are they send home to recover from injuries?

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:39 AM


    loads of people do sports science/sport coaching/etc over here at university but not sure how hands on some of it is…just depends on the university whether its more theory or practical based.

    Other sports are so much better. With cricket there are loads of coaching courses and local amateur clubs often pay for people to do coaching course and have age ranges from under 11 up to under 19, can have talented kids playing senior games (accept it’s different for football though) and there are string links between leaagues/clubs and professional counties.

    Also a lot of clubs at amateur level higher a professonal ffrom abroad to play for the season and to work with kid, these often have international experience or at least full professional experience.

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:40 AM


    no idea….no matter how good he failities are in their countries, may well be better than ours, there is no way to accurately monitor what they are doing and if they are following plans…..benny came back as fat as stevie taylor last year

  • 80 Lucky Les // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Money rules football but what price”Glory”?

  • 81 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    TS…some even take a PH.D in some specific area and then get employments at a football club :)

    …I think it is called Sports Science or something?

  • 82 martoon // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    TS but if had rotated against, say, WBA, wth the same result Pardew would have been slated (more than he was).
    I think the injury thing is fair enough – players carry knocks and niggles all the time and I guess the thinking was nearly 2 weeks off would help clear them up but of course they probably could have played.

  • 83 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    martoon @ 71

    It’s because many who come on here only come on here to moan. There is always more postings when we loose than when we win. It’s the old problem of the ‘benefit of hindsight’. Many spout off about Pardew and Ashley, quoting facts and statements, as if they have had detailed discussions with them.

    Fortunately, there are many good people who submit sound postings not always complimentary but at least they are articulate and have a reasoned argument even if others may disagree.

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM


    yeh can do all that here but i know a lot of people who did it just so they could have 3 fun/easy years and uni. Some of the sport courses are very good but a lot are just for people to experience uni and don’t really lead to anything.

  • 85 JaxtheMag // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    we need a new manager to build a new team, this team is just a mid table team that wont go any higher.

  • 86 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:45 AM


    Just wanted to ask you a question.

    You have been watching Newcastle for a long time. Given Ashley and pardew where do you think a Newcastle should finish so that a fan is happy and content in next few years.

    Do you think that clubs like Southampton and Aston Villa will overtake us in next few years.

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    TS…well that is just a shame really!

    …to be honest I couldn’t care less whether Beardsley is a Toon legend – I want qualified people coaching at Newcastle!

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM


    yeh he would have been, but even when we win people criticise so he will never please everyone

    I just look at it and think you have a squad, with around 16 good players i think, therefore you use whatever team for each game you think is fit/right for the game.

    We should really have one style of play so slotting a player in shouldn’t have to change the system massively, thats where the problem comes for me.

    The other issue is why, when a cup game appears, do we have 7/8 players injured/tired? they weren’t tired in the league. The only one who i thought looked tired recently was gouff, and he wasn’t rested.

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM


    exactly…i’d rather we hired qualified people with fresh ideas who have vision and pan to take the club forward. We need to look into the strong academeies and poach some coaches to bring in to not just coach ours but to run our academy.

    I’m sure some would leave basic coaching jobs in academies to run there own with us.

  • 90 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    If you look at in Isolation.

    Pardew is a rank bad football manager.

  • 91 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:55 AM


    i wouldn’t say he was that bad, just that he wasn’t modern/progressive and really struggles to adapt to these players.

    He uses them the way he knows how, slowly learning but i don’t think he will learn enough.

    I don’t see why he can’t, just needs to talk to others, hire coaches to help him, go to eufa courses and learn new coaching drills…it’s not impossible, anyone can improve mentally and learn.

  • 92 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    JaxtheMag @ 84

    Are you suggesting that we need a new manager because Pardew’s team has lost one match in the FA Cup to another Premiership side?

    Would you have suggested the same if Sir Bobby and Keagan were the managers as they records are not brilliant?

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:03 PM


    I think a lot of people here don’t like pardew for more than one game…that’s a comment people make all the time after a defeat.

    People don’t like his style of play
    People don’t like him toeing the party line
    People don’t like his team selections
    People don’t like his comments to the media

    There are a lot of reasons people on here give for not liking him and it’s never just down to one game.

  • 94 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM


    I am afraid he is IMO.

    He wants whole team or at least 10 players to defend.

    That means we have to play on counterattack. Where we have Shola Ameobi and no pace in our team.

  • 95 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    TS @ 87

    ‘..other issue is why, when a cup game appears, do we have 7/8 players injured/tired?..’

    Is it, and it has already been suggested by more than one Premiership manager, that there are too many games in too short a period in the Xmas / New Year and when players get tired they are more likely to get injured?

  • 96 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Ted Bundy // Jan 4, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    From now on, I support my legs as they support me, stuff this poxy club. Waste of time, energy and money going to watch that limp-wristed shite today – why did the straw break the camels back? Because of the million of other straws preceding it.

    Look at all the old guys on here, bitter as out because they’ve supported the club for 50+ years for meagre return – not me, I’m getting out young!
    Your a bigger pr@ck than your namesake bundy and Nufc doesn’t want muppets like you. I understand your frustration and anger and to a point resentment towards the hierarchy,and I agree Pardew has his limitations but to come out with a comment like that beggars belief.
    Go support the makems down the road son………oh I forgot your a glory hunter,manure or citeh are after more fans like you as they are struggling to fill there stadiums. And finally please please don’t let the door slam your face on the way out !!

  • 97 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    Tbh honest lads it’s not just Pardew is it

    We wanted an exciting modern DOF we got Kinnear
    An exciting modern manager we got Pardew
    We wanted a qualified experienced coaching staff with a great knowledge of European football and progressive styles of play, we got Carver and Stone
    An exciting youth coach to turn around the failing academy, Beardsley

    So to solely blame pardew imho is ridiculous, we all knew that the form was papering over the cracks, the club needs and has done for years a massive internal shake up

  • 98 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    Jazz @ 95

    ‘…all the old guys on here, bitter as out because they’ve supported the club for 50+ years for meagre return..’

    Yes and No.

    I’ve supported them for over 50 years and yes for meagre returns but I am not bitter as I have seen much worse, really much worse.

    With the exception of winning the Fairs Cup (which I was there) the majority of the time the teams have been truly crap. And the stadium was a complete and utter dump. And the owners stole from the loyal fans and lined their own pockets.

    It all changed for the good under Sir John Hall, both the teams and the stadium. The current situation in terms of quality of players, the stadium, the facilities, the staff and the ownership is probably better than it ever has been.

  • 99 70TWO // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    I feel like my ballon has been popped, or my head has exploded and I am now aimlessly wondering. If the short/medium term target for those in charge is to establish a top ten team and to build up capital (like Arsenal) for future investment in squad (if that is the plan?), why aren’t more of the squad players used?

    I have had this discussion before about “got to play your strongest team” and winning before rotating players. But I would have thought Ashley would be instructing more players to be used in order to secure their maximum value for selling. Maybe this is what Pardew referred to when he said MA doesn’t understand the difference between business and football.

    The only conclusions I can make is that the current selection philosophy will only result in the accumulation of dead wood and our best/first team players being sold to provide revenue. Using a small selection of players from the squad of players available currently, has created short term success without the ability to reinvest possible transfer money to add to the quality players we have.

  • 100 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:22 PM


    im not a pardew lover im here wether we lose win or draw unlike you and your cronies who only turn up to crow when results dont go well all the posters sniping now were no one to be seen when pards won the manager of the month any way im done arguing byeeee

  • 101 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Ashley is not wrong

    Pardew is not wrong.

    Yet the club is mired in mediocrity and will soon be obscure.

  • 102 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:26 PM


    exciting modern manager?
    remember gullit he was young too and he was hailed as a saviour and was going to lead us to the promised land mmmm

  • 103 fray bentos // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Back on here after a long time and see the same old same old, more Pardew bashing

    You will never win anything with a manager like Pardew, sad fact but then again you will never win anything with 99 percent of managers or clubs even in the country. From what I have seen Pardew is an average to possibly decent manager who manages at a club who seem to have average coaching staff and an average youth setup, basically a club which is not in the top tier and don’t have a winning setup, Chelsea, Man U, Man C, Arsenal, Liverpool etc, will all have better coaches, better physios, better facilities than us, thats a given.

    As for the players, we have some good players but to say our squad is better than any of the top 6 is quite stupid, therefore being positioned at 8th isnt too bad

    Where am i going with this? Well Pardew isn’t the man to bash, if you want to bash anything, bash the state of the football world now where money rules all or bash Ashley for not putting enough passion, money or footballing knowledge into the club. Pardew is not the type of manager who can manage a top side and win trophies, he is the type of manager to grind out results and try to get a club winning more games than they lose, he’s doing his job currently overall over the last 3 seasons so why give him so much shit? Why bash Pardew when he is simply doing the job he has been employed to do, if you want more bash Ashley

  • 104 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    Himanshu Dhingra @ 100

    The club has always been mediocrity.

    Since our last domestic trophy in 1955 have look at the table of winners for the old League 1, the Premiership, the league cup and the FA cup. We don’t feature.

  • 105 mag // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Nothing will change until Pardew is sacked the man is not premiership quality, so until that day dawns we will have to put up with his rubbish decision making and mumbling press conferences.

  • 106 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    wolfshead@toon @ 101

    Also AVB at Chelsea and Spurs.

    Young and hopeless!

  • 107 70TWO // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    On the FA Cup – it is very much second fiddle to the Champions League and lacks the money to motivate serious involvement by Premiership teams. Unless the FA can get a number of serious sponsors and market the games worldwide, they will always have to be cap in hand to the PL. If any further evidence of decline were needed, the spectator figures should be setting alarm bells ringing.

  • 108 Greebol1892 // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    My wee-wee is boiling a little…. not because we’re out of the FA Cup nor because our good run is over. It’s Pardew’s blinded persistence to set us up a a counter-attacking team. West Brom were there for the taking but it was another Swansea (a) display from us. Luckily West Brom were poor but still beat us. Why the hell is Pardew happy to “contain” Cardiff at home?!!? Howay man! Same owld shite defensive tactics regardless of the opposition. Then try and shut up shop when we’re 1-0 up with 30 mins to go.
    Anyone who has a clue about football can surely see Pardew’s shortcomings? And people are surprised that Marveaux has been frozen out? The lad has no defensive qualities at all so doesn’t fit.

    These tactics have worked to an extent against the better teams but surely a confident side takes the game to weaker / lower-placed opponents? We are not creating enough chances and are conceding goals…. and that is a worry.
    Anyway, the bloke is here to stay and will not be sacked as long as we avoid relegation – Ashley will be content with that.

  • 109 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    mag @ 104

    So the 2011-2012 Manager of the Year is not premiership quality? So the LMA made a mistake and you know more than they do about football being a football manager?

    Interestingly Pardew is the only Newcastle manager to get the award. Sir Bobby and Keagan were never recognized.

  • 110 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    I bow down to good judgement sir as I have only graced the hallowed park that is st james.My argument is Newcastle united no matter what era we talk of has never had real success like the likes of man u or Liverpool have,And I would love nothing more to have an owner that pumps money in and we would have a manager that can play attacking football but we have what we have and to come out with pathetic crap like certain members on this blog brings out the worst in me im afraid

  • 111 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    70TWO @ 106

    I agree with you. The FA Cup lives on because of a misplaced nostalgia. Football has moved on and the Premiership and the Champions League are the top dogs.

  • 112 John Tudor // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    same old same old year in year out

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Hasn’t Joke in ear received an award as well? ;)

  • 114 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    jazzyp @ 109

    We did have an owner (Shepherd) who pumped money in, albeit not his own, and we did have managers who played attacking football (Sir Bobby and Keagan) but it didn’t deliver us any trophies. There were no street parades with crowds lining the streets to see the team paraded on an open top bus.

    Why we can’t win anything is beyond me. I think some teams are destined to win things no matter what but we ain’t one of them. I’m afraid we are the wallflowers of the football world. Sometimes nice to look at but not bring the house down.

  • 115 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    I don’t know why people whine about not winning anything. We will never win anything, no matter who the manager is. I gave up on Newcastle winning owt years ago. I’m happy with being in the Premier League. Obviously I would be delighted if we did manage to win a trophy, but it won’t happen.

  • 116 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Alan Pardew wom LMA manger of the year not because he is a good manager but because he had one lucky season.

    Yeah Based on that George burley was a good manager.

    Yeah we should have Pardew and Kinnear as co managers.

    May be we should go for Howard wilkinson, he won the league with Leeds

  • 117 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    But wouldn’t you want to be entertained while participating from a distance? Or what keeps you interested?

  • 118 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:56 PM


    Pompey, swansea and Wigan have won something. why shouldn’t we expect a good push at least.

  • 119 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:56 PM


    apart from sj hall we have been badly run in modern times plus we will never be seen as a glamorous club unless we are lucky enough to be transformed ala citeh

  • 120 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    The sooner the dinosaurs like Pardew, Pulis & Fat Sam (to name a few) are replaced by the likes of Poccetino, Martinez the better, for the Premier Leagues sake .

  • 121 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Never say never my friend,One day bud we will have success hopefully in our lifetime lol

  • 122 JAMSHA // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    adam campbell playn for st mirren?? jst saw him

  • 123 hadthetshirt // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    2 bad goals to give away both down to the keeper.We need a good Goalkeeper.Krul decent shot stopper but bad distribution.Elliott just very poor always flapping but can distribute the ball better than Krul.His (Krul) saves against spurs won us the game so fair play,but any premier league keeper should have made those saves.Ok 3 were really good but one good game doesn’t make you a great one.I think buying a keeper is a mut,along with a striker and or creative midfielder.We also need to tell Ben Arfa to pass now and then :)

  • 124 JAMSHA // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    ohh i c newton also

  • 125 JAMSHA // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    campbell has amazing pace.. lol looks like messi so short

  • 126 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    wolfshead@toon @ 118

    I cannot see us becoming a glamorous club. Lots of factors are against us. But you never know.

    There was a pivotal moment in time (under Sir John, Shepherd and Keegan) when it could have happened when the club were every bodies darlings but when Keegan bottled it against ManU and subsequently quit that was it. The bubble had burst and the genie was back firmly in the bottle.

  • 127 wolfshead@toon // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM


    agree its a bit depressing isnt it lol

  • 128 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    That Cabella fella looks like the real deal, just what we need. He’s like an even better Cabaye from what I’ve seen from him. If only we could have them both in the same team instead of one replacing the other. We need to keep building and if it means to replace Cabaye with a better player of similar attributes then so be it, but it would be great and quicker for us as a team to go places if we kept Cabaye and also brought in Cabella.

    I would also bring back Demba Ba in a heartbeat.

  • 129 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Himanshu. I’d rather be where we are than Portsmouth or Wigan. Swansea will never be as big as Newcastle. They’ll have their time in the sun and good luck to them but again I wouldn’t swap places with them.
    I imagine winning a trophy is great, but I wouldn’t swap it for being in the Premier League.
    Even SJH said that being in the Premier League was more important than winning the cup. It’s no good winning the cup a being in the First division. Ask Boro fans.

  • 130 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Can’t believe Forest putting their bodies on the line in the FA cup. In a battle for play off spots and having to play 46 matches Minimum.

  • 131 jimiley // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    What is the purpose of Newcastle United?
    The only competitions we can win are the Cups. We can never win the league or even Champions League place unless we get lucky and then our small squad would be devastated playing Champions league and Premiership football.
    But our manager has said he does not want Europa Cup football and the owner has dismissed the Cups.
    So what is our purpose?
    Our purpose is to get mid table security and make as many millions for the owner as possible. We could not even focus on the FA Cup when we are safe from relegation. That means playing an extra six games a season. We could not manage that in case it affected our league position.
    A team with no ambition to win anything when it is allegedly the 20th richest in Europe has lost its soul. It has sold out to capitalism and sold out its fans. I am now an armchair fan after 50 years on the terraces. I have watched some crap NUFC teams. That is not the point. I will not finance an individual who exploits the fans for personal gain and offers nothing in return except survival. It is so sad. A club with no purpose which will never realize its potential under this owner..

  • 132 JAMSHA // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    lol campbell pullng pant for a long time

  • 133 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    If this transfer window is to be classed as a success we have to try and move the club forward by moving on our fringe players.
    Gutti couldn’t even get in to the squad and Norwich and qpr are showing interest
    marvs-God knows whats happened to this guy,obviously some form of domestic.
    Obertan-never been good enough in my opinion.
    Saylor ??? im unsure on this one,maybe because he has been a good servant and gives his all for the club im blinded by loyalty !!
    Cisse- I just wish he could find some form but to me from what reports are saying has still little to offer,But what would he be valued at at this moment in time ??
    Pardew stating we don’t need a CB is wrong imo as colo could be gone in the summer and saylor’s days looked numbered !!

  • 134 sparky55 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    We have a very good squad that is now in no danger of going down whatsoever even if I were to manage them til the end of the season!…so surely now is the time to take the risk and get an exciting young manager in who can take the club forward and get the most out of this very good squad

    We’ve bought some great players in over the last 3 and a half years and none of them have progressed or are any better then when they came, and the squad simply haven’t gelled so the blame for both good and bad displays falls on the manager…but unfortunately for us long suffering supporters the bad far outweigh the good.

    I’ll take any manager under 45 right now who looks like they’ve got the potential to play a better brand of football…the sh!te Pardew serves up week-in week-out is simply not good enough and there’s no signs of progress whatsoever…unlike with Liverpool, Everton and Swansea and Southampton who all took the risk I’m talking about.

    It’s hardly a risk at all to be honest

  • 135 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    If Allardyce doesn’t get the sack after this then they will be playing in that shiny new Olympic stadium in the Championship .

  • 136 Troy Stavers // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    I seriously don’t understand why fans are surprised.

    Pardew has openly stated in the press prior to the start of the cup competitions, the priority is the league.

    On top of that, he is no different to every other toon manager since 1955, in that he has failed to win a domestic trophy.

    Surprised? I’m not. It’s been stated loud and clear that by the club, that a top 10 finish is the expectation and cups aren’t a priority.

    Mediocrity under Ashley is the aim. We are right on track.

  • 137 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    We have a good squad but we need more. Strolla, Obertan, Gutierrez, Vuckic and Gosling should all be shipped out asap. They are not good enough.

    Replace them with quality like Demba Ba, Cabella or Siem de Jong and we are making huge strides forward. The more we stall on these crucial decisions the quicker we go backwards to being below average again. We need to build and quickly to not lose any of our key players in the process.

    I just hate the waiting for everything with NUFC. If we all know Cabella is worth it and is recommended by the brilliant Graham Carr and we have the finances then why in the hell do we wait to make our move!!? It really does my head in and is the most annoying aspect of this club. There is where we show a real lack of ambition, right there!

  • 138 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Agree on the Ba saga
    No matter what he did we have players within our squad that have done far worse crimes.
    Cabella would be a major signing for us but again would have to show a lot of ambition from the club.People seem to think he is an out and out winger but has only actually played in that position twice this season

  • 139 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    I’m not blaming pardew or ashley more than others for our lack of trophy. The club hasn’t been well ran for a long time. It’s doesn’t look to develop all areas…Ashley works on scouting and financial stability, shepherd and hall sent fortunes on first team players which were hit and miss as no proper scouting, no youth policy/development and set us back with long term targets….i dont go much further back than that so can’t comment before but it seems the club never has the right balance for all areas.

    I’m not saying we should be winning cups but it would be nice to challenge a bit more. Pardew isn’t the only one to rotate in he cup games, cardiff did it themselves yesterday, rotation isn’t a massive problem to me….its our style under pardew thats the problem, as in we dont have a consistent way of playing like most sides do and as a result seem to change our game too much when certain players come in which makes gelling and integrating different combinations of players more difficult.

    and to the poster who mentioned rotation/injuries after a busy festive period….i accept there is more chance of injuries after a busy period, but none we injured/rested much during the league game but when a cup appears it all changes.

    It’s not just this year though, it’s been every cup game under pardew.

  • 140 kilcline // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    We should be looking to the likes of Forest and taking their best young players. Patterson out wide looks a threat everytime he gets the ball.

    Saying that, they play decent football, he would be sh1t in a black n white shirt.

    Pardrew out!

  • 141 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM


    A little unfair in my opinion. There are signs of progress in terms of getting the ball down and using our ball players more but the question is, is it enough and happening quick enough?

    I do agree there is no change what at all in our mentality and approach to games.

  • 142 kilcline // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Patterson just completed his hat trick, not sure if they got him from Liverpool?

  • 143 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    I’d say the only time we appeared to take a cup game serious was once we had got through the group of europa league and man city home this year in the league cup.

  • 144 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    sparky55- I don’t agree. Look at Poyet and how awful he’s doing. Many fans were desperate to have him here, thank God he’s not or else he could even send us down. Pardew has improved players here also, Willo, Cabaye, Gouffran Tiote etc are better players because of him.

    Some just think because he’s over 40 that his style is out of touch in modern football. I don’t agree with that. Sir Bobby was a genius and he was well above 40, so was Fergurson. I am not comparing them to Pardew just making a point that age has nothing to do with it.

    I do like Roberto Martinez though and I feel we missed the chance to nick him before he went to Everton. He has them charging up the table and doing what we should be doing challenging the top 4 and playing attractive football.

    But they also have Lukaku on loan from Chelsea banging in the goals for them and Miralles on fire. That won’t last, and remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

    I prefer our team to theirs tbh. We just need that extra spark of creativity and that quality striker up front.

    We seriosly lack firepower and chance creation, hence the drastic need for a CAM and ST.

    We get those two positions sorted and we’re flying again. I am just praying we do it asap as we coulld again miss the train to success now that we’re so close to it.

    It’s easy to forget that under Pardew we have recently gone on one of our best runs in a decade, only falling short to Sir Bobby’s entertainers when we finished 4th.

    Pardew knows the squad and what’s needed but I must admit he does make some dodgy substitutions sometimes. If we get a new manager in it’s back to the drawing board and more steps back than forward imho.

  • 145 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Jimiley; it’s always been the same in my time following the club. I think Westwood and McKeag were worse than our current owner. We simply do not have the finances to compete at the top. Man City and Chelsea are at a differnt level financially. Even Man Utd cannot compete in the transfer market with those two.
    Forget about winning anything and try to enjoy live sport and it becomes easier. Mind you getting beat yesterday still hurt.

  • 146 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    We have a good squad but we need more. Strolla, Obertan, Gutierrez, Vuckic and Gosling should all be shipped out asap. They are not good enough.

    Replace them with quality like Demba Ba, Cabella or Siem de Jong and we are making huge strides forward. The more we stall on these crucial descions the quicker we go backwards to being below average again. We need to build and quickly to not lose any of our key players in the process.

    I just hate the waiting for everything with NUFC. If we all know Cabella is worth it and is recommended by the brilliant Graham Carr and we have the finances then why in the hell do we wait to make our move!!? It really does my head in and is the most annoying aspect of this club. There is where we show a real lack of ambition, right there!

  • 147 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM


    what is poyet doing wrong? He is trying to get them playing football but he lacks the players.

    Most games he has set them up well only for one of those morons to go get themselves sent off or score own goals, beyond his control.

    They have been in most games they have played under him, rarely battered and look like they have a chance. I think given our squad he’d have us playing some great stuff.

    But it doesn’t have to be him, look how well we scout players. Surely that could be put to use scouting a good manager who seems to get the most out of his players and plays in a positive way.

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM


    we do have creative players though….cabaye, marv, hba….all very creative and yet none of them either get on the pitch or get high enough up the pitch often enough to effect the game.

    We don’t get many people forward at all so we end up trying to pick out the striker with a ball into the box who is marked by 4 men as nobody supports him, thats the way we set up

  • 149 sparky55 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM


    Depends what your benchmark is to measure progress.

    If you benchmark from the appalling goofball we played last year playing 4-4-2 then yes we’ve progressed…if you’re benchmarking against the year we came 5th playing 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 then no we haven’t.

    If you benchmark from the football we were playing just before Pardew arrived to what we’re playing now 3 and a half years later then no…we’ve not progressed…we’ve just got better players who should be playing better football anyway but somehow we’re not.


  • 150 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    I think Poyet is actually a decent manager . The problem at Sunderland is simple, its the players fault .

    The Mackems could bring in Guardiola and still get relegated :) .

  • 151 clinath@ed // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Forest going WHU a football lesson…..some very good kids playing out there.

  • 152 kilcline // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM


    We should sign Patterson, he tormented them all day.

  • 153 Graeme // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Forrest 5 – 0 WHU

    Could this be the end of Fat Sam??

  • 154 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:50 PM


    Outside of City, ManU, Arsenal and Chelsea every team in the Prem is only playing for a cup not just us.

    Spurs sold Bale and spent big to challenge the top four and they won’t win the title, probably won’t get into the CL and are out of both cups.

    There is no other league in Europe that has four top teams challenging for three automatic CL places and if you include Spurs thats five. Any owner of NUFC, Ashley or anyone else, who wants to challenge the top four will have to take a huge financial risk. Lose out on the CL for two seasons in a row and the whole thing could go sh1t faced.

    There is an increasingly elite rich set in football and we aren’t in it. Unless we get an owner who has a few hundred million to blow nothing will really change at NUFC.

    Those who say £20M spent on tnree players would make us a top four club are dreaming imo.

    The mega money is great for the elite clubs and players but it is ruining the real competiveness not just of the Prem but also the Spanish, Italian and French leagues. And it will get worse.

  • 155 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    WHU have been absolutely demolished!

  • 156 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Cannot understand how Sam Allardyce isn’t managing Real Madrid.

  • 157 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:52 PM


    Fair point

    I would say when pardew came in we played effective and entertaining long ball football. You’d look at the club under houghton and say he liked to go 4411 and use carroll/shola with nolan around him for support, flighted balls up to the target man and deal with knockdowns and second balls.

    Whether people like it or not, that was our style, we knew how we played and if a different player came in you knew their job.

    Now I don’t know our style, whats our play to score goals? I really don’t see a style.

  • 158 Nufc-83 // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    Watching st mirren vs Celtic. Campbell doing ok and looks like he will develop quickly playing competitive football (even though the standard when compared to the prem is shocking). Newton looks poor seems to be hiding and never shows for the ball and when he does get it he wants to get rid quickly even when in space got no chance of making the grade.

  • 159 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:56 PM


    What about everton? Sold a key man and were clever with 3 loan signings and a couple transfers.

    Not gambling with the clubs future (remember and extra 20-30mil a year tv money now too so all clubs have a bit more to spend so those who use it better than others will see rewards).

    Everon may not make the top 4, they have liverpool, arsenal, city, chelsea and man u to compete with but they have a chance.

    Nobody is demanding top 4, or anything unrealistic like risking 200mil to try and get it, but they just want to see the club use it’s money as well as possible.

    A player may cost 10mil then 70k a week, a fair chunk. The dortmund manager is fantastic and according to the club gets paid 30k a week.

    So for a club like us, who don’t have the riches of a top side, we should be looking at these options. £30k a week for a manager who will get every last drop out of the players is crucial if we genuinely want to progress on a budget.

  • 160 sweendog // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    see there’s talk of a guti sale and i reckon this will finance the cabella deal…

  • 161 John Tudor // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    we should have employed billy davis

  • 162 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM


    Which is why I am delighted t hear the money they are spending on the academy, got to look to the long term when operating on a tight budget, but also can’t forget the short term.

  • 163 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    TS – If Poyet were as good as he’s made out to be he would have sorted the players attitudes and mistakes by now. I am not impressed by him at all.

    About our players not moving forward I agree and disagree. We sometimes move the ball really well and often in confined space, w should spread the ball around more and be more creative with it but that is down to our players I feel. Gouffran has made a huge improvement over Gutierrez and is chipping in with the goals. Remy is playing out of position as I feel he should be on the left of a front 3 or playing with a proper strike partner that supplies knock on AND is a goal-threat, something that neither Strolla or Cisse are.

    We lack those two or three players to take us that final step I feel. When we had Ba he could hold the ball up brilliantly and bring others into the oppositions half with and feed it to them. The problem then was we didn’t have Debuchy, Remy and Gouffran.

    We’ve always been a couple of key players short from assembling an amazing team. We have more quality now but we lost our key striker in Demba and that is devastating to any club. Imagine Liverpool without Suarez for example. We never recovered from that and Remy is not an out an out Striker that can hold up the ball. He is more of a Bellamy type player that can cut in at pace and score some great goals.

    We keep shooting ourselves in the foot as we do good business to strengthen in a couple of positions only to do bad business just round the corner by weakening other areas of our first eleven.

  • 164 Ron Knee // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    Has Poyet stopped the rot to an extent, getting a few draws rather than defeats?

  • 165 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    I know its not been the most attractive football but up until the arsenal match that I thought we deserved to at least draw it was all positive.And because we have lost 3 on the bounce…….probably 4 after next weekend nufc has all of a sudden gone to pot has it ????????

  • 166 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM


    I said earlier today that Martinez has done an excellent job at Everton but. … Lukaku, Deulofou and Barry are loan signings and Barkley is an outstanding talent that he inherited.

    Everton won’t win the Prem and they are an injury to Lukaku away from being in the same situation as us if Remy gets injured. I doubt their squad is big enough or good enough to get a top four finish.

    That leaves them playing for the EL and a cup. Same as us really and every team outside of the top four.

  • 167 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    “For the last three years I don’t know, it’s science against me.” Is the absolute zenith of Pardish .

  • 168 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    And how much do you seriously think we will make from the sale of gutti………..2-3-4 mill ??

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM


    they were rock bottom of the league on 1 point when he came in after 5 games….they are now still bottom but have picked up 13 points from his 15 games…not great but a lot better.

    Di canio had frozen people out, signed poor quality and demotivated the lot of them.

    poyet can only do so much, if the players are poor/lazy he can’t change them overnight, there is steady improvement in how they play they just lack a goal threat and have a lot of players who are wreckless.

  • 170 Ron Knee // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    Sorry, typo
    Hasn’t Poyet …

  • 171 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM


    That’s true but lets see how martinez deals with an injury to a key man, we won’t know until it happens.

    I think the loan moves are something we really need to look at. I’d say you look at the team, if it’s good enough with no gaps fine, if you want to improve look to kids, if they are ready use them, if not buy a player, if a player is out of budget go for a loan.

    We did this with remy, we ideally should have looked around for other positions we are short and tried to make a loan.

    I’m against loans for the sake of it, especially if it hampers kids in your team from playing, but if the kids aren’t good enough no point missing out on a loan to play them when they will be no good.

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:11 PM


    Guti is meant to be on 50k a week. Thats 2.6 mil a year.

    So even if we get a couple million, having him gone frees up a good amount of money.

    Got to remember every 20k a week wage works out at just over a million pound a year. So shipping out the likes of obertan, marv, taylor, guti can really help us to bring others in.

  • 173 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    People saying we missed out on Martinez, we didn’t, by all accounts he had a great relationship with Dave Whelan and we know what he thinks of our toadlike owner, he wouldn’t come within a country mile of us, nor would any other manager come to think of it, that’s why the silver tongued lothario is perfect for the job of delivering mediocrity while kidding himself he’s not.

  • 174 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    TS – Yeah?..really?… and what do you think about us always being that 2 or 3 players short then? No comment? I bet you must hate to agree with me on something lol

    I feel we get Demba back, somehow keep Remy and sign another CAM that can actually dribble past players with the ball and do all the things Cabaye also does and we are laughing all the way to a top 6 finish every season.

    Before we needed a LW to replace Gutierrez, that’s done with Gouff now, we needed an upgrade on Simpson as he was too defensive, we now have that with Debuchy. We needed an upgrade on Willo, we now have that with M’biwa (fair to Willo he’s in the form of his life), and we needed a bit more steel in midfield and we also got Sissoko.

    Where we lack now is up front and that is the most crucial part to any side. If you don’t shoot you don’t score and with Strolla for example we will never get anywhere.

    Remy alone can’t do it and he’s not the out and out striker that Demba was for us. Cisse is way too inconsistent and not as good as Demba Ba in my opinion.

    A ST, CAM and if we’re lucky another young striker that can also play in midfield and we are flying. BUT we have to move quickly in the transfer market as not to disrupt our slow and steady progress.

    We are really close to a brilliant team, don’t you agree?

  • 175 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    bills son

    Sorry but in between some occasionally valid comments you do make some very questionable ones too.

    Martinez has Everton on another planet to us. Do you not remember being 3-0 down at half time to them and being completely destroyed .

    Who cares if they’re loan signings, they’re very inventive and creative ones. If only we had some.

    More importantly they play an expansive passing attacking game which is great to watch ( a bit like Forest just now) Unlike our ” containing’ and hope to nick 1 mentality.

    Martinez won the FA cup with the weakest squad in PL history last season so I would say the way they play and the position they are in, they have a fair greater chance of finishing 5th or winning a cup, not least because they are still in one!.

    We have no cohesion or fluency whatsoever and have averaged only 3 shots on goal for part of the season.

    I would be truly amazed if we can get back to top 5/6 now after such rank management over the festive period

  • 176 Novocastrian66 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    We’ve lost 3 games in a row and we could have won them all. We’re lacking up front. We do not have enough quality to change things if we need a spark. Giving Shola a jersey is a waste of laundry and Cisse is out of sorts. This is where our transfer focus should be.
    Disappointed with the lack of ITK’s in this window.

  • 177 jazzyp // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Good point bud and yes as stated before would sooner move on fringe players that contribute nothing and bring in a player that would make a significant difference to our squad

  • 178 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:18 PM


    I really disagree we couldn’t get a good manager in. There are tons of managers who work under far worse conditions than pardew. Look around europe.

    I’m sure we could get a good manager in if we wanted to.

  • 179 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:19 PM


    that’s why the silver tongued lothario is perfect for the job of delivering mediocrity while kidding himself he’s not.

    Very good summation.

  • 180 stuart no9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    I still can’t believe some people blame the players for yesterday’s performance . For 6 years now we have seen what a waste of time we have for an owner . For 3 years we have witnessed what a clueless , inept excuse we have for a manager , and yet you still try to work out where the problems are be how we could rectify them . Simple , get rid of both of them , it dosnt need a full length debate to work that little poser out . Last week he was god because he won a couple of games , even by his own admission he “knew ” he was a good manager and that this was now ” his ” team – well he is right , this is his team – a team who have crumbled like a pack of cards have got his stamp all over it . Let’s be honest , he’s a loser who would blame his granny for a defeat if he had to . Let him blame who he likes but one thing he shouldn’t forget , this is ” his ” team . 3 long years and that is what he comes up with O.G.S. At Cardiff 5 minutes and gives him a lesson on how to manage hahahaha. What a plonker .

  • 181 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    Bit hard on Poyet. they were 8 points adrift. if they had won last week they would have moved out of the bottom 3.

  • 182 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:25 PM


    I agree we always seem to be short by a few but I guess every set of fans say the same really, even chelsea and arsenal are short of top forwards. But yeh I agree we always leave a gap in the squad, at least this time it’s a gap in the squad though and not a gap in the starting 11 as some previous years.

    I still think, even with additions, we will not progress as far as the squad is capable due to the overly cautious approach of the manager. The players and manager do not suit each other, Pardew gets about 70% out of the team, i’d like a guy who could get 85-95% out of them consistently.

    I think marv showed when he was in the centre that he was the man who could skip past a player and find a killer pass but he’s totally disappeared this season.

    I think we are close to a very good and exciting team, a brilliant team requires a general higher quality and at least one key/big player like a suarez, aguero, messi, ronaldo, van persie, etc.

    But yeh, agree on the general sentiment of your post, just think under pardew we will always have good runs but never reach our full potential.

  • 183 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    If we’re selling Marveaux, we’ll need to sign Cabella, Gourcuff and N’Zogbia. I’d also sign Ba and Doumbia to replace Ameobi.

  • 184 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:29 PM


    Once cabella has been pardewed he’ be like cisse, benny, Marveaux etc.

    People who say we can’t get a manager better than Pardew. Really?. I’ve just seen one there in Billy Davies.

    The guy plays great football as does the burnley guy. I just want to enjoy watching football again and not be told ” we contained them” whoopy – do!!

  • 185 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Am I the only one that thinks Gouffran is wasted t wide ? . Yes he is good defensively, but we must be one of the only teams in the league that have a CF playing left wing and as a second left back when defending .

    If we stick with 4-4-2 I would like to see:





    I think with two left footers on the left we would create a lot more down that side rather than relying on Debuchy . Supposedly Santon has a decent left foot yet I am yet to see it, he always cuts back on to his right and it is so easy to defend .

  • 186 Transfer Sage // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM


    exactly, for fans it’s not just about winning, it’s about being entertained for our money and being proud of the side for having a go. Of course some games we may need to play on the counter but not all.

    You can accept this football when winning as thats what the manager is paid to do, but when it isn’t working and it appears the team is capable of more it’s frustrating

  • 187 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    BPC @ 120

    Spot on

  • 188 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM


    I said earlier that Martinez had transformed Everton’s midfield by signing Deulofou, Barry and McCarthy and playing Barkley.

    Bearing that in mind I largely agree with your post.

  • 189 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    TS- To an extent I agree on your Pardew assessment also. Pardew does tend to sit back on a one goal lead and that is infuriating. We can do better, but remember can do so much worse as it is Ashley who will decide what manager to bring in, and honestly his football decisions scare the hell out of me. Better the devil you know I guess. Tbf to Pardew he hasn’t had the luxury of a Shearer upfront like some of our past managers have had and we still beat Man U at Old Trafford this season with this current squad, without a proper out and out striker. We can’t compare our forward line to the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal as they have quality in abundance. We have a more than a decent squad that just needs that extra bit of tweaking to make it a huge success, if only Ashley could see that.

    We need more of a goal threat and now more than ever without Demba Ba and a goal shy Cisse. I would also like to see us have a Roberto Martinez type of manager that doesn’t sit back on a one goal lead but he ain’t going anywhere soon so let’s focus on what we need and what can be improved on and that is our squad of players. All this negativity around Pardew is a bit over-dramatic I feel as only recently we were doing really well beating the top 4 and giving them a right go. We even drew level with Liverpool with 10 men on the field for an entire half, I can’t remember the last time we did something like that.

    It’s easy to point the finger at Pardew because he plays it safe way too many times but you can’t hide the fact he has improved our team in general and we are slowly improving under him. If we could make bigger strides forward under another manager is open to question but until his contract is up we’ll have to put up with him I am afraid.

    I dream of the day Strolla leaves and we sign a proper ST that scores and creates ffs. That will be the day. Too long has he kept us back and too long managers have been deceived and folled into thinking he is a ‘footballer’ let alone a ‘striker’ to score goals and take us up the league.

    We lack the layers and never have fully recovered since the great Alan Shearer left us. Owen was supposed to be the answer and we all know how that twat sent us back years.

    As I mentioned we keep shooting ourselves in the foot and it’s so frustrating to watch. Now that we have the pacey Bellamy type player we needed in Remy he’s only here on loan and we’ll probably have to look again at the end of the season. The same happened with Carroll and Demba Ba although Carroll is an exception as I would have taken that money too, it was a crazy bid from Liverpool that did us a huge favour tbh, look at the great squad we have now because of it.

    STs and CAMs is what we need to take us to the next level so let’s pray that Ashley delivers this January.

    PS Sorry for the very long post.

  • 190 JP...from The Rock // Jan 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Rotonda – Marveaux really is a mystery as he was doing the business only to be left out of the cold ala Anita. The thing with Anita is that he hasn’t stopped trying to impress Pardew and maybe Marveaux has in training. Who knows? I really do wonder what the deal is with him as I like him as a CAM. Though sometimes he does go missing in games. We can’t really blame Pardew on that one as we don’t know the full strory, maybe his attitude stinks?

    What I hate about Pardew is his reliance on Strolla. Last season it was with Gutierrez, and that was obviously not our best option. This year thankfully Strolla hasn’t featured as much, but the fact is he shouldn’t be anywhere near our team. The same goes with Obertan. The guy is also useless. Makes me look like a football superstar. We need to get rid of this dead wood and there is no point risking playing them to put them in the ‘shopwindow’ if it’s going to cost us points!

    The sooner we get rid of them players the sooner we’ll improve and move forward.

    Just imagine if we replaced them with Carr’s recommended players.

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