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This Is Why Newcastle Will Continue To Devalue Local Cups

9:44 am, Sunday, January 5th, 2014 by Ed Harrison · 23 Comments

Newcastle played four league games in a short 11 days and Alan Pardew made precious few changes to the starting side during that time – in fact Newcastle played their strongest side available in those four games – two wins and two defeats.

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Alan Pardew – cups are important to Newcastle – no they aren’t

And while it’s true that we had two injuries and a suspension coming out of the last game, the 1-0 defeat at West Brom – Alan Pardew made seven changes to the side for the FA Cup 3rd round tie yesterday against Cardiff City, which we managed to lose after going 1-0 up after 61 minutes with a goal from Papiss Cisse.

And we are not even going to mention that Cardiff are 4th bottom of the league and had one win in their last 10 games before yesterday’s surprise win.

We wont mention that. :D

The Newcastle defeat yesterday by Cardiff was an embarrassment to Newcastle fans everywhere, and it was very hard to take.

So for the fourth year running Newcastle made an ignominious exit from the FA Cup after playing a weakened side, and if we continue to treat the two local cups as secondary to the Premier League – which we do – it’s going to be a long long time before Newcastle ever wins anything again.

And that’s a fact – not an opinion.

Villa manager Paul Lambert put the cat among the pigeons earlier in the week, when he said the FA Cup was nothing more than a distraction to the Premier League, and all hell was let loose – but there are lots of other managers who would agree with that – even if they don’t say it in public.

And it’s interesting that Villa were beaten 2-1 at home by League One club Sheffield United yesterday., and can now concentrate on survival in the Premier League this season and getting as high up as possible..

The fact that the Premier League for the next three years will pay PL clubs between £60M and £100M each May says it all – and the PL games are the high priority for every single PL club, and staying in the Premier League is the only thing that matters.

The FA Cup Final winners get £1.8M and the money they get along the way for winning previous ties is around £1.6M, so the total for winning the FA Cup competition is £3.4M and entry into the Europa League.

If you finish bottom of the league in the Premier League you get £60M and £2M for each place up from there, so the third bottom relegated side gets around £66M, and the winners get around £100M.

If Newcastle finish mid-table  we’ll get around £80M.

So you see what we mean.

And that’s why you have seen so many managers fired at clubs who are close to the bottom of the league – and one example of that is of course Cardiff City, who sacked Malky Mackay last week.

We hear every year from Alan Pardew that the two cups are important to the club, and that he wants to win something, but he continues to put weakened teams out – so it’s simply hogwash.

If the cup ties were really important, then Alan would have played his best side yesterday and included the likes of Mike Williamson, Loic Remy and others in the starting eleven, but instead he made seven changes from the last game – four more than were enforced.

It may be politically correct to keep saying the cups are important to Newcastle – but in truth they are not – and that’s becoming more and more true – at least for PL clubs, as the amount of money they get from the league increases to unbelievable amounts.

And we have said many times before that big time football is now all about money – and that’s very true.

But notice we’re not saying that’s particularly good – it’s just the way things have become.

And it’s one reason the FA Cup is not what it one was, and it’s hard to make a good argument against that.

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23 responses so far ↓

  • 1 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    Ed’s article typifies that Pardew is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

    Ed says Pardew should have played our strongest team yet many fans wanted players rested and most on here were happy with the team he put out.

    Its a sickener going out of the Cup early yet again and by the sound of it Pardew is as sick as we fans are. To suggest that he isn’t and didn’t want to win it is a slur too far imo.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Jan 5, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Scout,
    Shocks do happen in the FA cup, that is the (fading) magic of the historic competition, but Pardew has now suffered four in a row that normally clubs only do dvery thirty years, he’s under orders not to take it seriously.

  • 3 Tsunki // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    The irony being that he did field the strongest team, arguably the fans choice in fact, and before you say Saylor wasn’t a choice, take a look at Mbiwa’s involvement in both goals.

  • 4 John Tudor // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    top and bottom he wasn’t capable of winning it

  • 5 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Lots of people are blaming Pardew for changes – yet a lot of people including me wanted changes.

    The game was poor like a eleven a-side kick around. we were in control scored then switched off. I’m not blaming Pardew I’m blaming the players for their attitude effort after we scored – seem to go to sleep -hard work done.
    first goal should of closed Noon down long before he got the shot away.
    second goal just bad, bad marking and goalkeeper should hve come and punched collected

    BUT
    I ask the question never mind the club supposed to be not bothered by the FA Cup are the Fans
    Yesterday before the game pubs were empty, fans flat, walk up to ground no atmosphere inside ground Flat NO BUZZ

    30,000 including me cheaper tickets – turned up – might speak volumes about the FA Cup.
    Also I see a lot of other Premiership gates were down.

    Have fans had burn out over the festive season 5 games in two weeks including the FA cup then Man City on Sunday coming.

    Personally I think we have overburn over Christmas, New Year – players, managers, fans all seem flat, jaded.

    Maybe scrap tradition of 3rd round on first Saturday in January and play less league games over the festive period and play the third round say Boxing Day or New Years Day

  • 6 John Tudor // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    scrap the lot just decide who wins what via hal

  • 7 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Why is it people go on like it’s always just the last game. We have been poor for so long under Pardew it hurts.

    Everyone now beats united, Krul single handedly beat Spurs and 2 red cards saw us get past Stoke.

    Pardew had the whole festive period to rest and rotate people but still wouldn’t. He just hasn’t got the smarts, imagination or X factor to take us any further now.

    Enough is enough. Sick of always having to justify our failures with endless excuses, excuses, excuses.

    Just give me a team that conjures up more than 3 shots on goal in a game and can beat woefully out of form bottom end of the table clubs.

  • 8 Owldman // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    I FA cup appealing to the older generation of supporters,
    I don’t the younger fans are that interested,its losing 3 on the trot that riles.Against Arsenal we looked really good & deserved something out of that game ,but against the leagues struggerlers,we looked poor.Now we face another daunting game against Man City.Which Toon will turn out for that game I wonder! the side that seems to perform well against good sides or the team that played so poorly against West Brom & Cardiff.

  • 9 Rotonda heights // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    The time to change were the 3 games in 6 days over the festive period!!!! Not rocket science

  • 10 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    I agree with you Bills. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

    I cannot understand all this angst from so many fans because we lost a game to a fellow Premier League side. We haven’t won a domestic trophy since 1955, nearly 60 years ago.

    Managers change, players change and owners/chairman change but the constant remains, no trophies at Newcastle United.

    It’s no use fans getting on the back of Pardew as he is only doing (or not so) what Sir Bobby, Keagan and all other Newcastle managers have failed to achieve.

    I’m old enough to remember the 1955 final so the fans should do what I do and get behind the team and move on.

  • 11 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    scout

    that’s your opinion and your entitled to it mate and i respect that, but you must look on the football style of things, we have good technical players, strong players and fast but they play defensively.

    it’s either just me or there’s something wrong about it,

    why sit deep on 1-0 leads?

    why sit deep and go for counter attacks at home to a lesser team?

    if it was against bigger teams i would fully understand but against out of form teams who have won 1 out of 10 games!

  • 12 bishopblaize // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Where is it documented that the club don’t have an interest in the Cups?

    Only a few days ago Pardew was buzzing about bringing Silverware to back to Tyneside!

    Looks like we only got one thing to focus on now … Champions League …

    Who doesn’t want that then :>

  • 13 Slank // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Charlie @ 5

    I think, like you, that the FA Cup is a fading competition.

    It has been eclipsed by the Premier League and the European Competitions.

    Because there were so few games broadcast through the Internet it only nails another nail on the FA Cup coffin.

  • 14 spitfire_ // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Ed, last night Pardew try to win the game putting strong starting XI… however he is tactical inept and he can’t understand this… or he understand this but can’t except it.

  • 15 Toonfan8 // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Please lads, i have one question. How is doing Mbabu and Kemen for our development team? I have no information about that….

  • 16 bills-son // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Black and White,

    We have a decent squad but we only have imo two quality players who consistently produce quality pervormances and that is Debuchy and Tiote.

    Our midfield as a unit is far more a hard working one than a free running, creative, fast attacking unit like Arsenal or City’s and thats why we rarely look exciting or create many chances.

    HBA is the only real game changer we have and he isn’t consistent.

    I said a few weeks ago that our squad had never been as bad as some suggested at the start of the season but neither was it as good as some were saying when we were 5th.

  • 17 jimiley // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    What is the purpose of Newcastle United?
    The only competitions we can win are the Cups. We can never win the league or even Champions League place unless we get lucky and then our small squad would be devastated playing Champions league and Premiership football.
    But our manager has said he does not want Europa Cup football and the owner has dismissed the Cups.
    So what is our purpose?
    Our purpose is to get mid table security and make as many millions for the owner as possible. We could not even focus on the FA Cup when we are safe from relegation. That means playing an extra six games a season. We could not manage that in case it affected our league position.
    A team with no ambition to win anything when it is allegedly the 20th richest in Europe has lost its soul. It has sold out to capitalism and sold out its fans. I am now an armchair fan after 50 years on the terraces. I have watched some crap NUFC teams. That is not the point. I will not finance an individual who exploits the fans for personal gain and offers nothing in return except survival. It is so sad. A club with no purpose which will never realize its potential under this owner..

  • 18 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    there’s one thing that SBR & KK gave Newcastle that AP couldn’t in a million years give Newcastle

    and that’s HUNGER

    back in the day the awaken giants where hungry for success fair enough we didn’t win any silverware but we were in the Champions league, cup finals, the players were so determined and hungry.

    but now though it’s gone until we find a proper chairmen & Manager who are hungry for success.

  • 19 Jimjam // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    It’s not only the manager and owner who aren’t that bothered about the FA cup. The fans aren’t either. Tickets reduced to £15 and the stadium is half full. It’s apathy all around.

  • 20 Thump // Jan 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    @bills-son: I think that comment is the first of yours that I completely agree with. There is no winning situation here. In fact, you could actually make an argument that it would be more (financially) advantageous for a club like Newcastle to profit more from winning two cup ties, getting knocked out and focusing on the league.

    I’ll always remember the 1998 final where Arsenal took us apart 2-0. My dad took us all to Byker for the occasion and it was bloody brilliant. The streets were lined with carnival rides and games, facepainting etc. and every single bar was heaving. My dad ended up sitting me on a table just in front of the bar in Jackson’s so I could watch the match relatively free from obstruction. Despite losing 2-0 (and the following year) it was a bloody brilliant time. The entire City had been done up for the honour of competing in the final. Why can’t we get some of that back? We’ve shown we can go toe to toe with the big boys so why the hell do we fall at the first hurdle? Before anybody points fingers at Pardew and blames tactics; this has been an issue long before Pardew and it will continue to be an issue. The problem seems to be endemic to the club. Maybe those 40+ years is too much pressure for some of our players.

    /rant.

  • 21 Douglas // Jan 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    If we are ever to win a cup we need a bigger squad. Ashley will not finance a bigger squad sooo we’ve no chance.

  • 22 Sav // Jan 5, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    The changes in line-up shouldn’t alter the fact that those 11 who lined out in Black and white ought to have shown there was more about them. Cardiff were the opposition and they made changes, too. Our second string are not good enough to rest 1st team players and still put out a decent side. Ben Arfa needs to look at himself and Cisse, too. There’s no excuse for so many repeated offside infringements from a 27 year-old striker. Obertan needs to find himself a proper job. Clearly, it is harder than it looks to ‘pick up young talent’. The big clubs have feeder clubs and systems in place we can only dream about. Good as Carr may be, even the ones who show initial promise generally don’t make it.

    However, 3 straight defeats (4 if you include next Sunday’s) in the lead up to the transfer window might lead to Mashley get ting the chequebook out and an eager new striker and maybe a playmaker brought in.

  • 23 toonluvva // Jan 5, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    I wonder how long it will be before we are renamed Sports Direct FC?

    Mashley bought NUFC so that he would be PAID to advertise Sports Direct on TV IMO.

    Survival in the premiership is his only concern. His investment last January was only made because of the genuine possibility of being relegated and losing a lot of TV revenue.

    There will be no investment this January because we are not currently in danger of relegation.

    I don’t expect there to be any ambition shown in this club, beyond mid-table finishes, for as long as MA retains control of the club.




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