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Tough Questions To Be Asked At Fan Forum Meeting Tonight

10:02 am, Monday, January 6th, 2014 by Ed Harrison · 321 Comments

The second fan forum meeting will take place tonight after the first one held in September was quite successful, although the NUST (Newcastle United Supporters Trust) managed to get themselves banned after going against the agreements in place, when they published their minutes before Newcastle had published their formal minutes of the meeting.

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Joe Kinnear – will not be present at tonight’s meeting

So they will not be present tonight, but NUFC Fans United will be, and with any luck they will send us a report of how the meeting goes tonight.

It’s clear that Joe Kinnear would like better communications with the fans, but Newcastle – since the first fan forum meeting in September – have banned journalists from the Journal, Chronicle and Sunday Sun to their press facilities, and that’s been in effect since early November – and that’s a long time.

And the official reason for the ban was for their over the top coverage of the Time4Change  march (according to Newcastle ) that took place on 19th October, and maybe 250 supporters turned up for that demonstration – basically against owner Mike Ashley.

This is what Kinnear has said about the fans forum:

“The club has pledged to use the forum as its primary means of supporter engagement, tackling the matters which are important in an honest, open and respectful communication process.”

“The group will get together four times each season to discuss all aspects of the club and having met for the first time in September. “

“The feedback from the first meeting was very encouraging. As you would expect there were some very challenging issues which were debated and some very passionate views expressed.”

“The views of supporters are important.” “With everyone at the club and its supporters pulling in the same direction, we should be hugely optimistic about what we can achieve.”

“It is clear that we are far stronger now both on and off the field than we were heading into 2013.”

Lee Marshall is the new Public Relations and Supporter Liaison manager at Newcastle, and this is what he had to say in Saturday’s program  for the Cardiff City disaster:

“Direct, open dialogue is vital to maintaining a healthy relationship between the club and its supporters.” “So it is great to see the commitment being made to the Fans Forum from all sides.”

“The inaugural meeting in September produced very candid discussions, which really helped those around the table – and all fans through published minutes – to understand how the club operates and how we can work together to improve it.”

“We are looking forward to building on that on Monday.”

We would hope the bans are lifted on the local journalists, since it’s now been over two months since the ban started – and that’s a long time to be out in the cold – so to speak – especially since it’s now January. :D

But Joe Kinnear will not be present tonight, and we assume one reason for that is he’s off trying to get some good players brought into the club – which is what his job is – after all.

There should be some good tough honest questions asked, and it will be good to see what the answers are coming from the club.

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321 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ben3arfa // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Lee Marshall is a Boro supporter and yet he is the Public Relations and Supporter Liaison manager at Newcastle United.

    What a Joke Ashley has made of this club

  • 2 croftus5678 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    my view on de-jong is the lad was one of the best strikers around 2 years ago and has a great all round game back then.
    so today would i risk him on loan for 6 month’s in shola’s place ? without a seconds though :-)

  • 3 Hatem's better than Messi // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Couldn’t really have a NUFC fan in that position.

    I guess Marshall can spin better than Pardew to get that job.

  • 4 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Ben3arfa,

    So what?

    There can be very few owners, managers and management staff who are at the club they supported as a boy. Given the number of foreign owners and managers this shouldn’t be a surprise.

  • 5 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    nobody who gives a rats will be there.

  • 6 Hatem's better than Messi // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    De Jong is worth a punt.

    You can never have too many strikers.

  • 7 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    santon

    top = CL
    5th = europa league

    that’s it I think

  • 8 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Hatem,

    Absolutely.

  • 9 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    We are in a position of strength with regard to League position, finances having not touched the £60M TV money and with make weight players to add to any potential transfers.

    We should:
    1 – Sign Tom Ince for £1/2M plus loan back Marvaeux/Obertan.
    2 – Extend Goslings contract and keep him on loan, as stand by Cabaye (not direct replacement).
    3 – Loan out Marvaeux/Obertan to Villa, to generate good will towards potential transfer of Benteke.
    4 – Loan in De Jong there is no harm in it.
    5 – Clear out any disappointment and rejuvenate target of finishing as high as possible in the League, worry about the effect of where we finish in the summer, the experience will be worthwhile and the money from finishing position is better.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    People need to relax at the moment. Sky reported Ashley has sanctioned up to 4 signings. If we get them in that’s fairly ambitious given we are sat comfortable in 8th place.

    On pardew of course I believe a better manager would get this lot playing exciting, attacking football and be possibly higher up the league, like Everton currently are.

    A lot of reaction seems over the top to me. Of course we could have a better owner or manager but there are plenty worse owners and managers in our very league.

  • 11 SharpEnough23 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Kinnear trying to pronnounce Monchengladbach that should be fun

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    I was disappointed the club said Europe was a burden two years ago but appreciate why they said it. If the plan was to add 2-4 players a year and we needed a good 8 to cope with Europe then of course that’s a problem for the club, bringing in 8 in one window would be difficult to do and also integrate properly.

    We added 5 last jan (even if it was panic buys they were still players we had a plan to sign at some stage) and look to bring in up to 4 this window. That means if we get Europe we will be in a strong place to attack on all fronts hopefully next season.

  • 13 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    SharpEnough23 – “Mongral-hatchback”

  • 14 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Transfer Sage

    What you say about player numbers in regard to Europa is spot on, we got knocked out in the quarter finals(?) so with additional players we should be more secure. Hopefully the previous experience will have been a learning curve.

  • 15 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Well said JimmySmith from last topic. It is gutting to be out the FA cup but to suggest our season is over and not worth watching any more is ridiculous and not what I would expect from NUFC fans, Manure fans yes but not us.

  • 16 SharpEnough23 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    I loved our cup run in the Europa league and if it wasnt for poor defending by Santon and Saylor in the away leg we would of got through.

    Plus now if you win the Europa league you get into CL

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    martoon

    our season is over in terms of winning something but that’s it.

    I watch us not for trophies, would be nice, but to see us win and hopefully in style as much as possible.

  • 18 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I think the club was right to say that the Europa League was a burden because they didn’t have enough quality in depth to rotate sufficient numbers of players two games a week.

    Have they now got sufficient quality in depth? Possibly not but contrary to what many fans think the club is not stupid and given our current league position must think that they have a reasonable chance of qualifying again and hopefully if the current rumours are true they are trying to rectify the problem.

  • 19 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    TS @17 – Agreed but there were one or two posters on the previous topic who stated they were not going to watch the matches anymore – they used to be called fair weather supporters!

  • 20 sparky55 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    sorry repost…got caught out again!

    I really do think this is very simple and I don’t really want to attract a load of abuse but I’m on the blog so it comes with the territory…

    Carr is an intelligent and experienced scout…he doesn’t scout players who play hoofball…he scouts players who can play the beautiful game as it should be played and how the french youth programmes teach the game to be played…on the ground and teaching first touch control and by keeping possession.

    So he scouts really good players with the attributes stated above and Pardew gets his grubby little hands on them and makes them play in a way completely foreign to the way they’ve been taught to play football since they were 8 years old.

    Pardew is a dinosaur who belongs in a bye-gone age…no-one else in the premiership sets his team up like pardew because every other coach in the premiership knows midfield domination is the key to success and with them playing 5 midfielders and pardew paying 4 how the hell are we expected to dominate…which of course then leads to us being over-ran in the middle and marked out of the game so the only option left to man on the ball is to hoof it up to Shola or Remy…PATHETIC!

    Pardew relies on wonder goals from our gifted players…how often do we play great football with numerous touches leading up to a tap-in goal??? not many is the answer

    The reason why we get caught out week-in week-out is the tactics of a man who so out of touch is beyond belief.

    If we sack him now we won’t go down even if they put me in charge for the rest of the season so why not do what other teams have done and try our luck with younger more progressive managers who suit the type of players we have in the squad just like Liverpool and Swanasea and Southampton and spurs and Everton.

    I guess I can dream

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    marton

    yeh that’s a bit odd, but each to their own

    slank

    they also used a lot of squad players in the league phase, we often used to make 7/8 changes with obertan, gosling, etc getting games.

    It was a problem not just extra games but how this effected our training and prep for games. Hopefully with our extra players we now have, a few more to come in and last years experience we are in a better position to deal with it.

  • 22 Ben3arfa // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Yeah only that Boro are our biggest rivals after the mackems .

    Doesnt matter at all

  • 23 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Martin,

    I remember when after a defeat a few people on here said they would never have anything more to do with Newcastle United but bizarrely continued to post regularly to this blog reiterating that they wouldn’t have anything to do with Newcastle United!

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    sparky 55

    I think using 4 or 5 midfielders isn’t the issue, it’s the plan to play defensive and keep people back, doesn’t matter how many midfielders you have then.

    spurs play 2 up top, man utd play 2 up top, man city play 2 up top, liverpool play 2 up top…works for them.

  • 25 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Martoon not Martin.

    Curse of predicted software!

  • 26 Geordie1 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Those of you on here who think Ashley and his cronies are going to spend the bulk of the £60 million+ are living in cloud cookoo land the man is a fat selfish tyrant and until we are rid of this buffoon Newcastle United FC will always be a stepping stone for players wanting to play in the Premierleague we will win nothing whilst this TOOL is the owner, do not under any circumstances think that maybe he has woken up to the idea of the TOON in Europe bolloxs has he, try telling that to the one’s that attended the Cardiff game. He is doing exactly what he said he would do via the Fans Forum meeting does not want any cups, does not want Europe as it would cost him more money all this selfish git wants is a mid tabled finish every season so that he can reap the rewards that Premierleague survival brings.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!!!!!

  • 27 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    slank

    pardew brings a lot of people down with his joyless c..p but when you’ve spent 53 years following a team it’s a hard habit to shake no matter how painful.

  • 28 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Geordie1

    I take it you don’t like our owner?

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Geordie1

    I dont think Ashley will spend 60mil nor to I think he needs to and neither did any of our previous owners.

  • 30 sparky55 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    TS@24

    Sorry but don’t agree.

    Who plays up top on the same line as Suarez, who plays up top with Welbeck, who plays up top with negredo?

    They all play 4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1 morphing into 3-4-3 and the man who plays in the hole switches between midfield and attack…we don’t.

  • 31 catchy in norway // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    pardews song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vz6iwV38U

    there was 5 changes at the back, 1 new GK, 3 new defenders, 1 defender who was out of his normal position,

    who put this all together ?

    who decided that the first half we should just contain them ?

    who decided to bring on remy with 5 mins left??

    the guy is a total plonker, who only knows how to blame

    he has his loyal followers though, there called the plonkers too,, bilsson take a bow son

  • 32 Sazzer // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    70TWO
    Why keep Gosling? He is never going to be more than decent.

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    sparky

    sturridge and suarez
    rooney and van persie
    soldado and adebeyor
    negredo and aguero

    all use two strikers when both fit

    We don’t play 442 either, very rare we do. We have been using remy up to alone or shola with remy off to the left.

  • 34 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Rotonda,

    You must be the same old fart vintage as me as I started going to watch the matches back in the early 60s.

    I sometimes think I’m fortunate to have seen us win a major trophy in 69 but then I think of all the utter crap Newcastle teams before, during and after and also having to endure the absolute dump that was St James Park. Youngsters today have never lived and fortunate they are too!

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    sparrky

    i do accept that there is poor movement from us though , i genuienly do believe we struggle to do anything other than the rigid set up

  • 36 Slank // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Sazzer,

    Why indeed?

  • 37 sparky55 // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    TS

    Sorry but don’t agree…next time you see the graphics of the line ups pre match, take a look and see.

    …and you’ll also notice how they rotate at dropping deep.

    All modern football in the premiership is possession break football which is why it’s the fastest most dynamic football played on the planet and exactly why we’ll do SWFA in Brazil this year.

    We can argue this one all day but let’s catch up on Monday and take it up then

    cheers!

  • 38 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Slank @34 – Yes I’m also of that era – St James Park was a sh*thole and you had to be desperate to go to the toilet then as it was practically an open sewer.

  • 39 Barton // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Cashley sanctioned 4 signings?………..yer right and i have a third leg!!!

  • 40 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    I like de jong, he ‘s been unlucky at Moechengladbach because he really does ‘t suit their style of play and he got a raw deal as he replaced marco reus which at BMG is an impossible task!
    Hes got all the attributes to be the best dutch striker simce Van Basten though , ahead of vsn nistelrooy because he can contribute more than just goals! Hes really quick for a big guy too!He was most successful in a team that played wingers and put the ball into the box though and i’m not sure we do that at newcastle!

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    sparky55

    i always find those graphics on the screen are just disrespectful to any club sky/itv/bbc don’t deem to be top clubs

    any team like us, stoke, west brom always get listed as a basic 442 but man utd, liverpool etc are listed as a modern and advanced 4411.

    I don’t think our problem is the formation at all, there could be little tweaks here and there sure, but it’s the mentality.

  • 42 sparky55 // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    marttoon…great days those…we used to p1ss where we stood because those bogs were a complete health hazard and you used to see clouds of steam rising above the gallowgate in the winter.

    Dreadful really but I always look back at those days with fond memories with the same 16,000 fans watching pretty average football but having a reet laf!

    Always brings a smile to my face!

  • 43 sparky55 // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    TS…who installs that mentality?

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    sparky

    I fully accept that comes from the manager, not saying he is blameless. I just meant our formation isn’t the big issue for me as no matter how we set up it’s nearly always a defensive mindset.

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Malta Mag on previous thread, like SBR, Pardew is a true gent, can’t believe somebody would even mention the two in the same breath, do true gents shag their players missus and stand in front of the camera twitching their ears while spouting a complete load of bull to the fans.

  • 46 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    catchy

    kudos for recommending Solksjaer all those months ago now. I think he’ll do really well. just what we need a young exciting manager. Oh well.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Slank

    I’m exaggerating a wee bit as I am actually 53 but my dad took me when I was a bairn.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    jayphoto

    I’ll take your word on that as you seem well informed but as you say we play without wingers so probably wouldn’t see the best of him.

  • 49 Sazzer // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    If we sign R.Cabella and A.Hunt then L.De Jong will score a lot of goals.

  • 50 Sazzer // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    But so would probably Remy and Cisse.

  • 51 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Geordie1 – How to win friends and influence people. It is yet to be seen what sort of investment will made in this window but there has been a continual improvement in the squad. You might not recognise it from your soap box.

    Sazzer – I don’t think Gosling should be dismissed as he is still only 24 and suffered from a lack of continuous games. He keeps doing the right things and whilst he might not be of the quality of Cabaye he still could be a potential midfield force with transfer value.

  • 52 Dannyo // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    @Ben3arfa
    Why on earth would it matter what clubs employees support if they do a good job?
    Lee Marshall is a great person I’ve had the pleasure of speaking directly to. He’s got a job which is between a rock and a hard place.
    He’s well spoken and candid and I’d hire the man in a heartbeat if I had the opportunity to do so.
    Chose your words more carefully, you have no clue who or what you speak of, when you spout random things like that.

  • 53 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    @rotonda hes the closest to Shearer ive seen in a while! People shouldn’t be concerned about his bundesliga form, the manager at BMG doesn ‘t play with Number 9 attacker! Instead he plays 2 very roaming and clever #10′s that go wide and drop deep sometimes making a 4-6-0 at times! Not sure any #9 out an out striker could flourish in that system! Its pretty well reported that Favre ( manager) never wanted him, he was a buy of the chairman! Ironically its said he turned down newcastle as he was concerned about getting minutes in the pitch and BMG offered the best chance of this aswell as being a shortish drive from his parents home!
    Like i said, he was brought in to replace Reus and was expected to play like reus which was never going to work! Im noticing we’re being linked with a few dutch players at the moment! Never a bad thing aslong as we avoid the centrebacks!
    For me, sell HBA, Sell cabaye ( only because hel be gone sooner thsn later and Buy both de jongs and Luciano Narsingh , line up with a midfield of tiote, anita and Siem with Luuk Up front and remy and narsingh left and right! Even pardew couldn’t dull thst side down (im dreaming though)

  • 54 lesh // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Repost

    A question to those baying for Pardew’s sacking: Which clubs’ fans are calling for their manager to be sacked where the club’s sittting in the top half of the Premier League? In fact which club’s fans, apart from WHU are calling for their manager to be sacked?

    Again, can I ask the ones who want Pardew sacked, just who is available to replace him and what purpose would be served by pushing him now?

  • 55 Belfast // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Seems like a lot of hot air to me. They’ve never cared about supporters opinions before, so don’t see why they would now.

  • 56 Dannyo // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    @Belfast
    The summary of the last meeting they had was an interesting read.
    It sparked the whole “League prio over cups” thing if I recall correctly.
    I’m sure this one won’t be any less controversial :)

  • 57 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    @dannyo – agree with that! Football alliances will cone second to professionalism for most people! Im a die hard toon fan, its in my blood but ive still worked for Aston Villa and Stoke football teams snd done the best I can !
    Lee Marshall has possible the rawest deal possible at Newcastle! He deals with explaining the mistakes of a team compiling of Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew…. It must be like being Hitlers publicist and trying to get him after dinner speaking jobs…

  • 58 Belfast // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Apparently Gosling had been doing really well with Blackpool. It’s probably best for him to move on though. Don’t see him getting much game time with us.

  • 59 Dannyo // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    @Jayphoto
    You are dreaming, haha, but I’ve favoured Luuk coming to us for a few weeks now, I think he’d fit in well.
    It’s not easy being at your best when your manager doesn’t really want you, and well knowingly so.

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    lesh

    well you could point to bad and good example…southampton have improved under pochettino even though the southampton fans didn’t want to see their manager go.

    remember houghton? we didn’t want him gone and the owner said we got pardew for an upgrade, to take us further forward….if that was genuinely the case would he not do the same with pardew? replace him when he hits his ceiling?

  • 61 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    I wonder where the Pardew who after the ManU game admitted to learning something from the Swansea game has gone? He has gone dangerously back to his default operating system with playing on the back foot tactics and rose tinted excuses. He needs to continue with the same system that beat ManU against ManC, dominate midfield stop them supplying their forwards and exploit the weaknesses in their defense.

  • 62 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Dannyo – “It’s not easy being at your best when your manager doesn’t really want you, and well knowingly so.”

    Relevant to Pardew also?

  • 63 Sazzer // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    70TWO
    If we can make money by keeping Gosling around and out on loan then sure let him stay. As long as he isn’t lurking around our bench next year like Obertan. At least he isn’t taking up spot for foreigners.

  • 64 Dannyo // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    @70TWO
    It’s not easy though. Ideally you want systems that exploit weak areas of the oppositions team.
    He spoke about being very happy to be able to do that against Man Utd, and getting it to work so well.
    Maybe that made him overconfident, and changing that way of playing hasn’t had the results he’s hoped for.

  • 65 Dannyo // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    @70TWO
    Depends, do we know who he’s had a hand in bringing in or not?

  • 66 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    @lesh pardews a strange one! Theres no way the board can sack him, the club would be a laughing stock, the job hes done deserves to be continued!
    I will say though we have been very lucky with injuries and when we lose Tiote or Cabaye we look much less a side! If injuries hit us we’ll drop like a stone! For me Pardew is too pragmatic And sometimes seems overawed by the big teams! Personally i don’t think anybtoon manager should ever play for a draw! I also worry that he reverts to form and can be predictable in match, its always shola or HBA on at the 65 minute mark depending who starts! I also worry that he doesn’t know how to get the very best out of flair players! Its a concern thst he’ll always stick to a winning team too, the tactics required to win games aren’t always the same and I feel his playbook has only 2 plays – 1 tactic for home and 1 for away.
    The biggest concern for me is that I think its clear pardew and Carr have very opposing views on what makes a good player which isn’t great when up until kinnear, Carr was pretty much buying the team!
    Though if im honest i could overlook all of this if he shouldered abit of blame when he got it wrong tactically! His losing after match interviews are infuriating and can make him sound ridiculous

  • 67 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Its fairly easy to get carried away with the league results so far this season but its so reminiscent of the 11-12 campaign. Lots of average defensive performances with 1 goal margin wins. A substantial amount more luck than last season. Our performance against stoke was comparable to a turd rolled in glitter. Which is lucky for pardew because we were awful until stoke got the two reds. There have been a couple of decent performances in there but not many full 90 minute perfomances where we havent looked shaky.

    We still look completely lacking in terms of off the ball movement and creativity. we are still defending far too deep especially after going in front. One thing I have noticed is our complete lack of tempo when attacking. We pretty much set up to play counter attacking football but rarely attack at pace with intent as a team which i find more than bizarre. Yes individuals like remy and sissoko bomb on but as a team we are so poor going forwards.

    I think i suggested a while back if i could choose one signing for a january a creative unslefish CAM would be my choice of signing. Cabella would be good, also firmino, volland, Siem D Jong, Mata (marquee? :-p) cabaye is our ‘creative’ force accdording to pardew but he gets played in the deep plying pirlo role and when he is near the opposition box he shoots too much for me when you want him to be playing in a team-mate. Ironically benny is exactly the same. Probably our two most creative and with remy our most greedy players too.

  • 68 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Off beat 3322 formation for ManC:

    —- Remy —– Gouffran
    —— Anita – Sissoko
    Haidara – Tiote – Santon
    Mbiwa – Willo – Taylor
    ———— Krul

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    lesh

    by the way i dont want pardew out the door now….i doubt we’d get better, i want him to continue to improve

  • 70 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Also, on regards to Solksjaer! Ive lost alot of respect for him taking the Cardiff job! Its shown he is unwilling to take risks! Its a no lose for him because even if he flops people will blame Vincent Tan! Would have had more respect if hed have taken the villa job when offered or WBA where he wouldnt have the owner as a ready made excuse should it go wrong!
    Read Fergusons biography recently and he says the only jobs he would recommend to to his former players are ones with sensible chairmen and owners that will allow you to work and give you time.
    If With all the offers hes had , Cardiff is what OGS was looking for in a club then im glad we went nowhere near him

  • 71 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    jayphoto:

    Totally agree. Pardew is such a mixed bag. He has some good attributes. I think a lot of the players respect him and respond well to him. Bizarrely Ben arfa seems to be one of them even though personally i struggle to understand why pardew hasnt given him a free role in the team in the CAM/CF position behind 1 but prefereably two strikers.

    Why we play with wingers when we have no natural wingers in the side is still a mystery to me. 4-3-1-2 is what i would play not saying it is right. But we have an abundance of strong central midfielders. Gouff can play up top, benny and cabaye the cam role, cisse needs a creator like benny to make him chances, likewise with remy. Anita for me is hugely underrated he keeps us moving doesnt dwell on the ball, has a great touch improves our tempo and has great feet.

    Likewise I hate it when we lose there are to many poor excuses. The players still need to take responsibility though they are mostly internationals with losts of experience!

  • 72 Geordie1 // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    @Transfer Sage Your remarks were: I dont think Ashley will spend 60mil nor to I think he needs to and neither did any of our previous owners.

    Howay man get real the £60+ is part of the new TV deal which a lot of clubs have already dipped into obviously with more AMBITION than this slug he is not only raping the Football Club out of finances but has still not reduced this so called debt of £130 million we supposebly owe him having been a season ticket holder for the past 17 years this will be my last season and I will not be buying another until he has gone.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    lesh

    i think you miss the point like a few other pardew fans on here.

    Football for me is or should be an avenue of entertainment where you escape the hum drum everyday stresses and for 90 mins can switch off and try and enjoy watching the team you’ve supported since a lad.

    When you have a manager quote ” we contained them well” when referring to playing at home against a second string, bottom of the table outfit who had barely had 24 hours with their new coach, then you know the game is up.

    By the law of averages we’ll get a good 20 mins here and there because of the quality of the players we have, in spite of pardew not because of him.

    So many players have regressed under Pardew it’s silly.
    The potential with the right people is amazing. Great stadium, 52000 home fans, premiership club and we get JFK, Pardew and Wonga. It’s a living tragedy.

  • 74 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    cjtoon@67 & jayphoto@66 – Agree with you whole heartily.

    Everything seems to have to go through Cabaye which makes us reliant on him having a good game and clueless when not present. I am sure Krul has been told to wait for the team to be up the pitch before kicking out.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    geordie1

    I am just saying what I think is true. I think we do need more players but we have shown we get good quality for a low price, never top top players but very few can afford the top top lads.

    Previous owners took money from the club and wasted on a lot on impulse buys and not having a good scouting/academy system either.

    Ashley is far from perfect but he isn’t doing everything wrong, the squad is gradually improving but there is still a lot of work to do.

    Jay

    Cardiff is a safe bet but in this day and age where even a good manager is discarded for no reason you might as well give yourself every chance, a club like cardiff who said they’d give him a good chunk of money.

  • 76 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Jayphoto

    In fairness for all his bad press Tan has ploughed a load of money in to cardiff and oversaw their first ever promotion to the premiership which would not have been achieved without Tan’s financial input.

    There is no time for sentimentality in football now. He gave mackay 50M over the summer and they were near the bottom of the table so he got an upgrade in Solksjaer.

    Tan may look like a Bond villain and is easy copy for hacks to portray him as a nutter but at least he has some genuine passion for the club.

  • 77 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Rotonda:

    Exactly my view the last 18 months by enlarge have been hard to watch. Rarely exciting mainly mundane and quite often infuriating.

    I got bashed last season for saying watching us was often a chore but i stand by that. I dont think it would take much to change it as i said previously its creativity we lack anyone coming in who can bring that to us can only help imo.

    Football is about entertainment but sadly with the money involved results are more important and even champions have to ‘win ugly’ sadly we are not champions and we almost always win ugly :-p thats when we do win of course!

  • 78 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    Cardiff is a club that will give OGS what he wants and time to do it with little interference from a DOF, because he is their man, not unlike Pardew. Nature will take its course eventually.

  • 79 piers18 // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    Juan Cuadrado

  • 80 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Geordie1 @72 – You contradict yourself you say Ashley is r*ping the club of finances but not reducing the debt to himself. Surely if he was taking money out the club then reducing his debt is where it would go! Don’t forget the £60m is not paid until then end of the season and a lot of clubs are borrowing against this.

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    For all the people saying we wouldn’t get any one better than pardew, well Catchy flagged up Solsksjaer last season !!

    If someone can go to work for Tan, an alleged headcase, then why not to us?

    I think bergkamp would be a great shout or the guy at Burnley. Someone from Spain even better. They are out there for sure..

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    rotonnda

    tan is nuts i’d say….can’t change a teams colour and mascott .
    he has put in a reported 75mil….hardly like a 1billion chelsea had or the simialr amount for man city.

  • 83 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    I note the usual specious claptrap from those with an agenda and their wish promoting the thought approach to constantly posting the same drivel in order to win a few converts to the TFC.

    Returning to the blog, let me correct the much promoted suggestion that the club didn’t want a run in the FA Cup. This suggestion came about simply because John Irving, the Finance Director had stated when discussing cash control and cash flow forecasting for season 2013-2014 that the assumptions to be used would not include a run in the FA cup.

    Finance is not my field but I do know enough to realise that in cash flow forecasting the assumptions used need to be realistic – otherwise it’s rubbish in and rubbish out.
    No doubt tequilamag and others will understand the point.

    Surely, though it can be appreciated the point being made that the Finance Director’s area of responsibility is somewhat far removed from that of the Football Manager. That is unless your out to make mischief or simply are not equipped to understand the difference.

  • 84 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    geordie1:

    @Transfer Sage Your remarks were: I dont think Ashley will spend 60mil nor to I think he needs to and neither did any of our previous owners.

    Howay man get real the £60+ is part of the new TV deal which a lot of clubs have already dipped into obviously with more AMBITION than this slug he is not only raping the Football Club out of finances but has still not reduced this so called debt of £130 million we supposebly owe him having been a season ticket holder for the past 17 years this will be my last season and I will not be buying another until he has gone.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!

    No ofeence but what are you talking about? I still cant get over people who think ashley is somehow stealing money from the club (raping as you so elloquently put it). Have you considered the positive health of the club finances. Do you want to see negaitive accounts for the club with frivolous spending? He will most likely take back his loan money when we are making decent profits as to make sure we are still in the black.

    Ambition can be measured in different ways and you cant always buy success which im assuming is what you meant by ambition (spending £60million on players?) Chealsea man city and Spurs this season have shown spending huge amounts of money doesnt buy success and surely therefore our approach although at times frustrating is in fact a far more sensible way to do it.

    Sadly our problem is on the pitch (dugout) not off it! i think most of us can see that.

  • 85 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    Cjtoon

    But look at the top teams they rarely need to ”win ugly”. City average nearly 2.5 goals a game, as do Everton, Arsenal and Liverpool and others are not far behind either.

    Their focus is scoring goals. Being as negative and defensive as we are, we are already conceding a place due to poor GD

  • 86 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    Just remembered Agüero skinning Saylor, certainly hope we don’t play both Willo and Saylor in the middle. Return to a back four then!

    ———— Remy – Gouffran
    Haidarra – Tiote – Anita – Sissoko
    Drummet – Willo – Mbiwa – Santon

  • 87 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Rotonda heights – Toon 0 – Arsenal 1 – ring any bells.

  • 88 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    TS

    Statiscally teams who play in red are way more successful.

    Ian

    we love you too and can’t wait for your gems .

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Ian

    It actually comes from a comment in a fans meeting where the club spokesman said league is priority over cups. Not just from a financial employee.

    I personally don’t think that means to just sack off the cup as some suggest though.

  • 90 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    I think Bergkamp on paper looks a great shout! The game has moved forward so much in the last few years and the premier league even more so! I think dinosaur british managers like allardyce and dare i say pardew will be phased out as the premier league is no longer english football but Global football!
    Not writing off British managers/coaches though, Rodgers at Liverpool has shown british managers can adapt and compete! Theres a few managers under the premier league that seem set up in that mold too!
    Id always like a manager who understands the city, was watching ketsbaias coaching career with interest and hoping solano does well!
    Im willing to take a bet Shola will manage us one day! His actual ability aside, hes apparantly got a personality and knowing our luck we’ll never be rid of him!

  • 91 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    Rotonda:

    I would rather watch us playing attacking exciting football finishing mid table than the stuff we play in order to finish top ten.

    I know people will argue thats a ridiculous opinion but you put it in a nutshell for me earlier. I look forward to us playing days in advance and very rarely do i come away thinking wow that was brilliant which is surely what we all want.

    For me jordan henderson is a prime example of what good football coaching can do to a player. He has been excellent this season a real creative box to box midfielder. hes playing one touch football in a lovely footballing side. Under KD he was avergae at best under BR he has started to justify his price tag!

    I can only dream of us playing like city, arsenal, liverpool, southampton, everton, chelsea they all play pretty attractive football.

  • 92 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    there are always exceptions, don’t take it as read but more often than not those teams mentioned are free scoring. Without the help of 2 red cards we seldom score more than 2 absolute max.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    Rotonda

    Man city, Chelsea, Madrid, doesn’t seen to yet them and they all sell well abroad too. I take it that was tongue in cheek? Haha

    The only thing what makes a team big abroad is success and exciting play.

  • 94 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    CJ

    100% spot on. V good analogy with henderson. I’ve not seen any player improve under pardew except maybe Parch but that was pardew’s level

  • 95 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Transfer – Happy New Year.
    The League is the priority for NUFC.

  • 96 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    TS

    I was thinking more your Arsenal, Liverpool and ManU

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Ian

    I’m sure carl and pushy will understand the point too. How are they by the way. still good buddies?

  • 98 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Rotonda- Off the top – how about Krul, Williamson, Cabaye, Tiote , Gouffran, etc etc

  • 99 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Rotonda:

    It does make you wonder doesnt it. the staff and players know they dont create and score enough but we dont seem to do much to rectify it.

    If we want to play formations with wingers we need to buy some natural ones who play onto their strong foot not cut in continuously. We need to find the correct positions for some of our players.

    I thought Pardew had turned a corner with team selections this season but he is falling back into his bad habits sissoko and gouff and id possibly include remy haven’t been great lately imo (barring stoke which doesnt count as they were awful 1st half). If its fatigue or bad form they should have been replaced.

    Its just the little things we really need to look at.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Ian

    Happy new year. And I can see why the league is the priority but this year with no Europe and what looks to be a failu safe top ten finish without a real chance of champs leage footy maybe we should have gone a bit harder at the cup?

    Rotonda

    Yeh they are obvious ones but the two clubs who have benefited most from new owners are city and Chelsea, both of which haven’t had to sacrifice tradition. City have a new stadium but I think most fans accept that’s a good thing to move on and upgrade when needed.

    Also got this off themag

    Sky Sports are saying their ‘sources’ are telling them that De Jong is expected to arrive on an initial loan in January with a view to a permanent deal, with Sky saying they understand Newcastle are ‘confident’ of landing the Dutch striker.

    In distant days it was the Chronicle that United used to break their transfer dealings but long before the current ban it has been Sky Sports as the preferred option.

    The breaking story on Sky Sports says that Mike Ashley has said he will fund up to four signings in this current transfer window with midfielder/winger Cabella also very likely to sign, with Sky’s ‘sources’ claiming the player is ‘keen to make the switch’.

    The report concludes with the assertion that Ashley has also made clear that the potential incoming transfer activity will not mean any of Pardew’s key players, including Yohan Cabaye, leaving.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Rotonda- I take it you didn’t contact Ed!

  • 102 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Ian toon:

    Although contentious i think Williamson’s good form is both a symptom of our poor attacking play and also quite regularly the cause of it too. I would agree good cb pairings tend to have a fairly limited lump of a defender paired with a more accomplished ball playing defender but when our team lacks attacking impotus the last thing we need is a cb who constantly returns posession to the opposition or passes the ball to our goalkeeper to do the honours.

    I have nothing against the guy and he has been good. In a very defense minded team who quite often have two banks of four if not 10 players behind the ball!

    I dont think we have seen the best from the others bar perhaps tiote – who has been outstanding this season as well as debuchy who has been great.

  • 103 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Transfer- I wasn’t at the game and have not seen anything on TV. However, my brother told me the defence was awful with Taylor at fault for one of the goals by not being goal side for a cross into the box.

    Personally I want to finish in the European places – nothing matches a European night at SJP. Mind, might have to wait for the CL.

    Like the sound of some movement in the transfer market- or is it just, The Chronicle trying to improve sales after being decimated by promoting T4C non activities.

  • 104 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    Happy new year Ian Toon nice to see you are posting again. Personally I don’t care if you used alter egos or not as long as you provoke debate with your posts.

  • 105 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    CJ- it’s no coincidence that Williamson plays well with a number of other CB’s. He know does the simple things well whilst Saylor constantly looks to embellish his own game to the detriment of the team. He fails to do the basic defending anymore – schoolboy stuff. My brother thought Haidara was poor on Saturday as well.

    My Bro wonders whether Saylor is looking for a move!

  • 106 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    Rotonda heights
    Agree top clubs only have to ‘win ugly’ when they have rare off days, whereas we rely on winning ugly due to our lack of attacking ‘fret-osophy’.

  • 107 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    martoon – thanks. Just for the record I have only ever posted under my own name as Ed will confirm.

  • 108 Ben3arfa // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    @Dannyo

    dont get your knickers in a twist tiger.
    i just found it strange that a supporter liaison manager would declare such a thing on his twitter account (which he has apropriately deleted since)

    no hard feelings though fella, just give Lee a hug for me the next time you “have the pleasure” of meeting him.

    Oh , and good luck with the forum tonight boys, Im sure Mike Ashley is taking all our concerns seriously

  • 109 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    martoon- A Happy New Year to you and all the toon fans around the world.

  • 110 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    Ian toon – Yeah that’s fair enough he is doing what he has been put there to do. Nobody can argue with that or the professional conduct he gives. All i would be unhappy with is the constant turning over of possession in particular when he isnt under pressure.

    I have seen it far too much, the majority of our possession has been colo and willo pinging it between themselves then Willo ploughing a 60 yaerd diagional ball to nobody. It infuriates me no end. It also means cabaye ends up dropping back into a central defense position to try and get us up the pitch which is cetrtainly not where i want to see our more creative players!

  • 111 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    Just out of interest, hypothetically how many of you would care if we sold cabaye for market value. £14-£18 (is realistic?) If it was guaranteed we would use the money to strengthen?

    Personally although i think in another team he could be a better player im not his biggest fan for us.

  • 112 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    £14-£18 million before the wise cracks!

    Although £14-£18 for obertan looks like a good deal :-P

  • 113 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    @GFN_France: According to @inside_foot, Evian are in discussions with Newcastle for the loan of Gabriel Obertan. Unconfirmed. #NUFC #ETG

  • 114 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    CJ- I agree distribution is not a strength. However he provides the balance we currently need. I have heard it said this morning that had he played we probably not have lost.

    I was highly critical of Willo but I have revised my opinion given his current run of good form. As far as the defence is concerned I personally don’t favour unenforced changes.

    I hope Cabaye is not out for too long because he’s our most influential player.

  • 115 lesh // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    Thanks for coming back, Sage, Jay and Rotunda.

    Jay, Rotunda, you have yet to propose an available and credible, experienced successor to Pardew, should the need arise. Any offers?

    Oh, and where’re Catchy and Ciaran’s suggestions? The silence from those two, two of Pardew’s harshest critics, is deafening. Can we assume they can’t respond?

  • 116 pottsclock // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    cjtoon
    I agree, Willo’s passing ability (or lack of) is definitely a negative but overall he has improved under Pardew. Colo has good passing ability and perhaps this is one of the reasons why Pardew favours him over Mbiwa.
    I also think that Tiote often looks for the safety ball back rather than forward. That’s maybe what he has been asked to do but it does mean we rarely get the ball forward and on the floor quickly unless it’s a Cabaye pass.

  • 117 mindshaft // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    I’m sort of with the Ashley out club but only if we can get in a multi billionaire who will spend his own cash to make us successful.

    How people can say Ashley is ripping the club off with a straight face is beyond me. He simply won’t put any of his own cash in and will not borrow against future income (i.e. the 60 million we get at the end of the season)
    This therefore means we have to generate enough income to buy players out of club funds and also to pay off some of the debt we currently owe to the fat man, this is obviously going to get us 8th – 10th at best, especially under Pards tactical genius.
    Think we’re all agreed that we now have the best squad since SBR days, unfortunately Pards doesn’t seem to be able to get the best out of them

  • 118 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    lesh

    i would never have picked out tiote, gouffran, sissoko…never have found laudrupp, pochettino, etc etc

    I don’t know who the alternatives are, none proven in the prem but sure the way the clubs have contacts around the world they could find somebody if they wanted to look

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    lesh

    ciaran isn’t too harsh on pardew…he hates ashley

  • 120 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    tads:

    Although he does need to be shipped out a loan seems pretty pointless. We need to get him off the books as he has had plenty of opportunity to show what he can do. I suppose it would mean some of our other squad players would get a chance on the bench though instead of him. Although it will probably just mean Gutierrez gets back onto the bench.

    Ian Toon:

    Totally agree unneccessary defensive changes are always likely to have an impact especially wholesale ones. Its a shame as id rather we went out with our best team against cardiff than city. Its hard to say if willo would have made the difference all players make errors but i would think we need to be concentrating on getting more goals ourselves. There would be far less pressure on our defense if we were better at ball retention and attacking!

    We will play to contain city for 70 minutes and then go for it if we are still in the game. probably my favourite of Pardews match tactics.

  • 121 Mister Tuff // Jan 6, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    For anyone interested – below is a link to the UEFA Handbook on SLO’s (Supporter Liason Officer). One recommendation from UEFA is that the person chosen for the role should preferably be a fan. (well we seemed to have stumbled at the first hurdle if ours is a Boro supporter).
    A lot of clubs get nominations from the supporters groups for possible candidates as the intention is for the SLO to represent the fans primarily and not the club – oops we seem to have stumbled on that one as well.
    Link:-
    http://clients.squareeye.net/uploads/sd/UEFA_SLO_Handbook_eng.pdf

  • 122 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    CJ – I don’t know if you go to matches (not having a dig if you dont) but what is not so obvious on TV is that everything goes through Cabaye he is instrumental in all our play and he would be a big miss unless we replaced him with like for like.

  • 123 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    pottsclock:

    Yeah agree completely colo is the ball player he can carry the ball and his long passing is actually pretty superb. His reading of the game is often really good but his positioning is sometimes a bit off especially when he presses out on the wing.

    I know what you mean but tiote is good at what he does breaks up play, keeps it simple, passes to the more creative players. Sadly the creative players give it back to him and he goes back. For me anita is the main protagonist in getting us to move up the pitch rather than go backwards. I love his one touch passing game. He is always aware of the one two also which cabaye and tiote rarely look for.

  • 124 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    cjtoon
    The problem is with obertan he’s probably on a relatively decent wage, if he’s not prepared to lower whilst under contract there’s very little we can do apart from ship him out on loan and hope they pay at least half his wages
    On willo, before this season i’d agree on his passing but not this season, he’s been much calmer on the ball and 9/10 he looks to play it to feet, I’d say Krul and Colo have been much much more guilty of aimlessly punting the ball up the pitch to nobody!

    In fact for me Krul is having a poor season, great shot stopper but has no control or dominance over the six yard box, his decision making in whether or not to come for the ball has been poor and his distribution is horrendous!

    Lesh/Sage
    Now I’m not saying Pardew out or that there are better qualified unemployed managers, but surely being a top flight club with scouting systems apparently set up globally surely we could at least be looking at an exciting up and coming manager/coach to come in and replace Carver and have a ready made manager take over if we continue to just float around mid table, not getting worse but not really getting any better?

  • 125 Ian Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    martoon- Good point. Watching football on TV gives you a blinkered impression of the game. Not least that you fail to see the movement off the ball. I would suggest that it fails to show the options open to the player in possession of the ball. It also implants opinions to the viewer that are heavily weighted and constant comment often unduly influences.

  • 126 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    tads:

    I agree he is better this season however imo he still costs us possession too much. As you say Krul is just as guilty. I do think Colo has much better distribution than the other two though. I think most of the squad are guilty of wasting posession too much. Cabaye in particular going for the hollywood pass rather than a simple quick pass and move.

    Totally agree on Krul he has been so inconsistent this season Barring the spurs game which was a complete one off. Im suprised pardew hasnt given elliot a shout to give krul something to think about. Yet agian another great professional just like willo but he needs reminding he can be dropped. Hes been flapping a lot lately and probably cost us against both arsenal and west brom.

  • 127 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    Woo hoo
    @GFN_France: FULL STORY: #Montpellier Chairman admits Newcastle ‘on the verge’ of a #Cabella bid; wants to keep player until June: http://t.co/tmat78E6uc

    On the verge of a bid, wow
    I’m not a DOF but surely if you want a player you need to make the bid not phone up and go hhmmmm we might bid not sure what’s his mileage like? Good tyres?

  • 128 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    tads

    exactly…i am very please we are building the new academy/training facility. But it’s a waste unless we get the proper coaching staff in place.

  • 129 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Martoon:

    I get to as many as possible but i live in north devon so a season ticket isnt possible really. I probably make 10-15 matches a season while i have lived down here. I watch all the rest online though. I do agree a lot goes through cabaye, i dont think he is as instrumental as we think though. I think we miss him when he isnt there as we dont replace him with a creative player. what i was getting at is imo i would love to swap him for a unselfish creative david silva, mata, lallana type player who like the ball to feet. Likes to beat a man but also likes to keep it simple and play for the team.

    I like cabay as a box to box centre mid but i dont think he can cut it as our sole creative force which is pretty much what pardew expects from him.

  • 130 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    I would like to point out i dont think this is cabayes fault either. There is next to no off the ball movement from our players other than debuchy and remy which is pretty embarrasing.

    If we cant rectify the movement then cabayes passing and frequent long range efforts become more of a hindrance than a help. My main issue is quite a few times this season he has taken on shots when he could have put a team mate in on goal. From our main creative player that disappoints me. It may just be me with that view i dont know

  • 131 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    CJ – very impressive you make 10 -15 games a season from North Devon although I presume some of them are away games. I wonder if Cabella is being lined up as a replacement (he even has a simlar sounding name :) ) .

  • 132 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    First game in charge in England and Solskjaer already outsmarted Pardew.

    Says it all really. Good luck to him could be a great manager hope it works for him.

  • 133 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    cjtoon

    Williamson didn’t cost us the game against Arsenal. I am not sure why you sat that. If you look at the marking, Santon and Coloccini were the closest to Giroud so one of them was meant to be marking him. Williamson was marking Big Mertesacker so it was not his fault.

  • 134 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    ilovetoon8788

    ‘Solskjaer already outsmarted Pardew’

    How did he outsmart Pardew? Was it something to do with tactics that I missed? Maybe you were at the match and can enlighten me? What did Solskjaer do or change in the game to outsmart Pardew?

    The way I saw it, the reason we lost was poor defensive mistakes by us and possibly Pardew sitting back after going 1 nil up (not entirely sure we did this though as I have only seen highlights).

  • 135 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    Mbiwa’s ball distribution from the back is also pretty impressive. He is a like for like replacement for Colo.

  • 136 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Martoon:

    Yeah i try my best! its a bit of a trek! yeah its a mixture of both, whatever i can get to really. saw the home games over christmas as I was back up seeing family! pretty disappointing games like :-p

    Funilly enough im not sure what interest there is in cabaye. A lot of it seems to be press speculation with arsenal and PSG having ruled themselves out i think the only others i have heard mentioned a Roma and Napoli and nothing to strong at that. We have to hope cabella is our ‘david silva’ esque player that has cabaye and tiote sat behind him giving him the freedom to create and removing a lot of the creative burden from cabaye. (in an ideal world)

    Mutiny by Lemons:

    Not sure where i say that in this paragraph:

    Totally agree on Krul he has been so inconsistent this season Barring the spurs game which was a complete one off. Im suprised pardew hasnt given elliot a shout to give krul something to think about. Yet agian another great professional just like willo but he needs reminding he can be dropped. Hes been flapping a lot lately and probably cost us against both arsenal and west brom.

    Just to clarify I meant Krul Not Williamson if it wasnt clear.

  • 137 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    @MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    You have your own opinion and to me Solsjkaer use of substitutes and maintaining team balance and not just throwing bodies forward aimlessly showed to me he’s smarter than Pardew.

    Nothing against Pardew nor calling for his head. Just pointing out when i see a great manager in the making.

  • 138 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    cjtoon

    Apologies. I thought you meant Williamson.

  • 139 lesh // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    Transfer Sage, tads, you’ve hit the nail.on the head when you say that there are no credible successors to Pardew available.

    Solskjar’s an unknown quantity and some might say that because he’s on one Ferguson’s boys, then he’ll do the business. Like Keane, Hughes, Bruce, Ince perhaps?

    Would Ashley take a chance on an unknown quantity as a replacement for Pardew? No chance, too much at stake.

    As it stands, the only way to take a calculated risk on a up and coming manager, would be to recruit him as coach/ assistant manager and help him develop as a potential successor – Malky McKay perhaps?

    Just rambling out loud, hope you understand!

  • 140 DokToon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    good mornign all, from the dark side of the pond…

    hope all had a pleasant and safe holidays…

    when watching matches here stateside, i tend to mute the commentary at times, i dont feel i need announcers telling me their opinions, shoudl stick to the match in my humble and worthless opinion :)

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    ilovetoon
    Credit to solskjaer for the subs but have no illusions he didn’t set that team up, doubt he’d even taken a full training session

  • 142 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    I think it would be rather risky to appoint an unknown manager to replace a manger that has taken us to fighting for Europe. There is little sense in hoping the unknown manager is going to be better than Pardew. If he is to be replaced, I would like his replacement to be a proven manager who has achieved more than Pardew and is definitely better – I’m aware there are not many managers who fit this criteria that are available which is why sacking Pardew would be the most pointless thing ever and calling for him to be sacked is a waste of time and Ashley will not do it. Not anytime soon.

  • 143 pottsclock // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Quote, “West Ham co-owners David Sullivan and David Gold have issued a statement backing boss Sam Allardyce during a difficult time and claim they will be offering all the support they can in January to turn things around.”

    ..that’s him sacked soon then !!

  • 144 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    Montpellier have already signed Cabella’s replacement apparently, for once this seems a promising bit of business if we ever actually bid!

  • 145 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    lesh @138 – That’s not a bad shout about Malky McKay – if I remember correctly he is an old buddy of Pardew’s as well.

  • 146 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    lesh

    i didn’t say that…i said no proven prem managers are available, big difference.

    looking elsewhere they might not have prem experience but its up to the board to get the best manager who has the skills/ability to succeed

  • 147 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Dannyo

    Sorry lad, Lee Marshall is a great person? No, he’s not. I’ve experienced his lies and PR spin on more than one occasion personally, and his dual role of PR/Liaison Officer is completely conflicting. He is paid to both lie and liaise with the supporters.

    Great person? Great people do not get employed by Mike Ashley – especially not in the PR department.

  • 148 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    martoon
    As good of a shout as it is i can’t see Mackay wanting to take a role user someone, he’s built a steady reputation and prob feels he deserves to be a manager, you’d have agree with him tbf

  • 149 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    Ciaran
    “Great person? Great people do not get employed by Mike Ashley – especially not in the PR department.”

    Not sure about that, Dorothy the tea lady is an absolute gem ;)

  • 150 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Letch

    What was it exactly that you wanted me to respond to? Also, you clearly have trouble discerning the premise of my comments if you think I am one of Pardew’s harshest critics.

    Back to the drawing board for you bonny lad.

  • 151 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    Im not sure a manager would want to come in under alan pardew?! isnt that basically just putting yet another issue in place behind the scenes. its basically the same as having kinnear above him. McKay underneath him would make him a paranoid wreck wouldnt it? :-p I think the sort of thing that would be more realistic is looking at guys like this:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/meet-gary-white-one-worlds-2052284

    Im sure this sort of candidate would be more than happy to come in as an assistant/tactical coach/first team advisor whatever they could shoe horn him into. It would give them a break and pardew fresh ideas and a second opinion.

  • 152 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    Tads

    She’s not employed, the poor dear is batty, she wanders in off the street and just starts making tea. Ashley decided to just let her have at it so he wouldn’t have to hire a tea-lady full time.

    It does have its draw-back as you can never quite tell if you’re getting milk or spit in your tea but wor Dot is a canny lass ;)

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Before I start I’m not saying pardew should be sacked now

    All I will say is that any average manager could get us where we currently are. 8th best team in the league in 8th position is not special and not the sign or a miracle worker.

    And to say there aren’t others who will do a better job we could get is wrong in my view. Especially if we sign the likes of de Jong and cabella this window (fingers crossed on those two).

  • 154 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Sage

    I would be very surprised, and quite impressed if we signed De Jong and Cabella in this window as it would seem to intimate some form of ambition and forward thinking that has been sadly lacking in our transfer dealings more often than not.

    As I have said, discussions about replacing Pardew are pointless as he is carrying out his job to the letter – comfortably mid-table, out of the cups and the added bonus of being a mouthy charlatan carrying out MA’s PR spinning nonsense.

    He’s going nowhere.

  • 155 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    TADS & Ciaran not wanting to split hairs (I do really) but isn’t the Tea Lady called Kath.

  • 156 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Cjtoon

    That is the type of person we need at the club. The club needs to overhaul it’s coaching staff if they want to take advantage of the new training facility being built.

  • 157 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    martoon

    I really don’t know, is she? Of course you know we were having a laugh haha

  • 158 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    Ciara’s

    Equally discussions about Ashley are pointless as he is going nowhere. Ultimately everything we discuss has such a small impact.

    Would signing those two, and possibly a couple more change you view on Ashley? Obviously not entirely but would it give him some breathing space, especially just a month or two after they unveiled plans to develop the training facilities too?

  • 159 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    Sage

    Personally I think I have reached a point of no return with Ashley but I could understand if others were to afford him some breathing space as a result of those signings.

    We have been in this situation before. When he signed Cabaye, Santon, Ba, Marv et al in one window, and then signed Cisse the following January, people assumed that MA had turned a corner and would run the club with more ambition, yet that was proven to not be the case. A leopard doesn’t change its spots.

    Regarding the training facilities – while good news – it is not what we need to be investing in in order to move forward with MA’s ‘plan’ for the club. I would be much more impressed if he announced that the investment was going into the Academy to secure Cat 1, yet this is still not the case.

  • 160 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    Ciaran – call yourself a supporter and you don’t know the name of the tea lady maybe you could be the next DOF :)

  • 161 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    I think for pardew if he is say given four more 1st team quality players then he really has no more excuses to hide behind. Im more than willing to see what he can do this season but im not overly impressed so far. Barring the obvious decision to flood the midfield against man utds weak midfield he hasnt done anything tactically astonishing.

    I thought our football was getting better but im not so sure after the festive period. We lack movement and creativity. If we get say cabella and a striker surely thats good enough to challenge top 7? Im happy to ride out this season and see what happens as as sage says we dont really have any choice regardless. for me a creative advanced midfielder is a possible catalyst to push us on a level.

  • 162 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    martoon

    Well surely a prerequisite of being NUFC DOF is not knowing anything about the club, knowing more than the fans, and trying to sign players who already belong to us…

    Now first order of business in my new role as DOF is to make an exciting signing. I hear that Vuckic kid at Rotherham is doing rather well, wonder how much he’d be going for… haha

  • 163 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Hopefully all the fringe crap will be moved on and some quality brought in, Pardew will still be here though!

  • 164 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    I must admit im suprised we havent gone in for ince. Somebody is going to get a good deal there as surely he will be on the move this month and he is english!? at some point he will have a hugely overinflated resale value…ashley wink wink! get it done

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    ciaran

    Yeh it is all good things but I can see why.

    I think people can change but it takes more than one good deed, it might be a start but needs to consistently impress to change the strong opposes to him I feel.

  • 166 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    out of interest anybody like mame biram diouf? hes out of contract this summer. Hes powerful and pacey can find the back of the net and has been in england before so youd think he could acclimatise quickly.

  • 167 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Afternoon all

    Cjtoon. Trouble is, we just dont seem to want to sign english prospects. Just foreigners.

  • 168 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Keep Shola etc for the cup games!

  • 169 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Cjtoon

    Yeah he would be more likely attractive to Mashley. Diouf, that is.

  • 170 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Mag…… so we don’t need them for the rest of this season then, do we? :-D

  • 171 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    TS

    in fairness to Pardew since he joined us he has had a net spend of somewhere in the region of -£15m which usually means relegation, combine that with the spending of other clubs like Norwich, West Ham, Swansea and even Sunderland have spent more than what they have sold then putting everything into perspective you have to give Pardew and his backroom team, Graham Carr being one of them a lot of credit, we are now a much better side than what we were when he took over and he has done that even though he has sold more than what he has spent, just a couple of days ago someone (I forget who) was whinging on about us and saying that he wishes that we could be ran like Southampton, they have spent more than us but are 6 points behind us, why do some of us wish to go backwards ?, what I would like to see as Pardew himself would also like to see, is just what could Pardew do with a bit more financial support, of late most managers have had £20m ish budgit due to the new tv deal, if Pardew had had the same and also been allowed to spend the other £15m deficit just what squad would we have and where would we be now if he had that £35m which most of his competitors have had, just think about it, an additional £35m added to our current squad who are only 6 points from a CL place, in all honesty I don’t believe we have the grounds to critisize Pardew, critisize Ashley by all means, but Pardew, no, most managers who take over a below mid table side and then have to sell £15m more than he is allowed to spend would take you down, we have improved.

  • 172 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Ciaran
    So basically she got the job the same way JFK did!!!

  • 173 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    @169,Exactly no cup football under the easybeat Pardew.

  • 174 catchy in norway // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    to be brutally honest , I’m not bothered who we sign, we could sign bale and Ronaldo for a billion £ , pardew would stick as lB and RB because they can run fast

    the guy drains every ounce of skill out of any player he come in touch with, well except for obertan , he is just a strange shaped head that is luck he is fast

    this season , with the team we have we should be comfortable top 6 with a healthy goal+

    I think he will have to walk when Sunderland beat us in a few weeks time , the writing is on the wall now

  • 175 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    I just think we could probably get ince and diouf for £5-8mil which turns into assets of at least £10-15mil as soon as they sign contracts theyre both young and have potential and fit the bill of positions we are looking for plus ince is english and is in really good form! its a no brainer really.

  • 176 toonbrother // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    pardumb sucks that is all

  • 177 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Ciaran

    did we not get cat 1, I thought it was announced a while back that we had finally achieved it.

  • 178 catchy in norway // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    spoof

    ???

    your mad, why judge them on what they have spent, it may only be 15 mil, but the players have been mostly quality, that are under achieving right now

    I don’t like ash, not at all , he does things backwards , but he has bought wisely, just at the wrong times

    coaching and tactics is what our main problem

  • 179 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Afternoon Markaccus – Pardew has stated a few times he would like to sign some British/English players but I suspect they are always too expensive.
    Ciaran – I think a few on here would say you could be the next DOF as you know nothing about football – not me of course ;)

  • 180 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:34 PM

    @lesh – my choice to replace Pardew would 100% be Dragan Stojkovic! A manager with a clear footballing philosophy! Whenever i’ve seen him talk about the way the game should be played I have thought he’d make a top toon manager!
    I also like Paolo Bento, should be available for club management in 2014/15 season!
    In Germany Sammi Hyppia is doing well but wants to manage in england in future and Markus Babbel impressed me also!
    Some more obscure but talented coaches would be goncharenko,
    Montella, pereira and Bilic all have great philosophies and styles. For me nufc under pardew lacks a philosophy, we’re jekyll and Hyde , AP changes any set style the moment he loses a game.
    Think Pardew should continue, he doesn’t deserve to lose his job, but if he did , id want to see us actually bring in a manager that suits us, not simply one that had won stuff! Remember both laudrup and pocchetino had tough losing seasons in spain and came from less than glamourous clubs

  • 181 Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    I was all for resting Gouffran and the players that looked jaded on Saturday, but the unnecessary wholesale change of the defence I think cost us, four signings and a good result against city to lift this black cloud hovering over SJP.

  • 182 pottsclock // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    I have it on good authority that Dorothy is only a loan signing and is only available for the CUPs.

    (Sorry)

  • 183 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    @180 and all six numbers on the lottery as well!

  • 184 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    While im bombarding you with potential signings, there are some really good players out of contract this summer. diego from wolfsburg is running his contract down. He may be a free in the summer (or available on the cheap now). although he is 28 i would love someone like hime 394 career apps 99 goals 101 assists. not too shabby at all

  • 185 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Catchy

    your critising Pardew by saying “with this side”, just a reminder bonny lad, this is the side which Pardew has assembled, and please don’t give me the this is the Graham Carr side bollocks, Carr is part of Pardew’s team, Pardew is the manager and Carr scouts for the type of player who Pardew wants.

  • 186 Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Martoon,
    What the silver tongued lothario says and what the club do are two entirely seperate entities.
    Spoof,
    They never announced it at all, someone just assumed on here that a club f our stature should be cat 1 and everybody went along with it.

  • 187 70TWO // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    toonarmydownsouth @153 – Montpellier have already signed Cabella’s replacement apparently

    Kinnear is not far from a Colon himself.

  • 188 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Martoon

    Hows it going?

    Pardew wants brits but he is not allowed to buy them. Probably like you say due to price.
    I have already seen some silly comments here on the ever lasting pardew debate. I have decided i am not going to comment on it ever again, even if someone asks a direct question. It gives me a headache!

  • 189 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    By the way that just means the Sack/stay debate. Other things that involve him i am happy to comment on :-D

  • 190 jayphoto // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    Massive issue we have is that if Pardew goes, it’ll be kinnears job to fill the managerial position and i dread to think who he would look to appoint ! Mick Harford wouldn’t shock me… Sometimes youre better the devil you know

  • 191 Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    We all know Pardew is a mediocre manager, nothing more nothing less, he will never be considered for England even with a dearth of top flight English managers, Solksjaer an unproven manager commands a salary of £4M , the silver tongued lothario works for 500K, go and figure that one out, he is the best manager we can get.

  • 192 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    What will jfk call cabella. It scares me. Cabellend, maybe?

  • 193 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    And de jong????? Duke le Dong possibly.

  • 194 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:49 PM

    I cant help laughing at the box at the bottom of the scree advertising “The great fracking debate”. Everyone likes a fracking good debate now and them.

  • 195 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    catchy m8,

    your in denial, you have never liked Pardew, that’s fine, but we should never let likes and dislikes cloud our judgement, what I said earlier is how it is, we are stronger on the pitch even though he has been forced to weaken in monetry value, if another club had a manager who was forced to sell a net of £15m and the team was much stronger we would all be praying that we could get a manager like that, that is simply how it is, two questions for you

    1 are we a better side now than what we were when Pardew took over
    2 in the transfer market has he sold more in monetry value than what he has spent

    the answer is a definate yes to both, as I am sure you will agree, so how can we a a go at him, your taking your frustrations out on the wrong man, we should all be hammering Ashley as it is his lack of ambition and his pathetic support of the manager who is holding us back, its not Pardew.

  • 196 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM

    Pardew has went out of FA cup against the mighty Stevenage, Brighton and Cardiff City, so he’s certainly consistent in his failures.

  • 197 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM

    spoof:

    1. Yes
    2.Andy Carroll

  • 198 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    Tads

    Tres droll tads ;)

    Martoon

    I’m glad you’re in the ‘Ciaran knows oh so much about football camp’ – there aren’t many of us! haha

    Spoof

    That was people putting 2+2 together and getting 5. Many thought that because it was announced that because our U 21s were playing in the elite league – which is only open to Cat 1 clubs, that we had achieved cat 1 status. When in reality, the FA had just given us special dispensation to achieve Cat 1 status – something we have yet to achieve.

    Myself, and a few others contacted the club personally and it was confirmed that we do not have Cat 1 status.

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  • 200 Wandering Geordie // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    The four players I’d love to see at the Toon are
    Alfred Finnbogason
    German Pezella
    Luke De Jong
    Tom Ince

  • 201 Mister Tuff // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    I see that top class sports news service S***** D***** are claiming an exclusive to the effect that the Toon captain – the man with the long permed hair is out for five weeks with a knee injury.
    I suspect the poor fellow will have to return to Argentina to aid his recovery -helped of course by those world class facilities at St. Lorenzo. In addition with being so near to the Equatorial Rain Forest – he will be able to speed up his recovery by the application of a special poultice freshly made from Amazonian plants and animal bones by the local shamen. The permed hair one can then test out his injured knee by jumping up and down upon the terraces of St. Lorenzo. Seems the Toon are on the ball with health plans for their players.

  • 202 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    @198 pardews choppers couldn’t get any whiter!

  • 203 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    If pardew was a scout i would congratulate him but in reality he isnt getting the best out of a talented bunch of players.

    i dont think hes been forced to sell a net of £15mil in players. We have spent money and spent it pretty well by enlarge otherwise the squad wouldnt be better than it was when he took over!

    Also some would argue we are not a better side in terms of the football we play. I preferred watching us with nolan barton enrique carroll than i do quite often now. Perhaps controversial but maybe it was because we were unexpectedly good then.

  • 204 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    Catchy

    If you honestly think that sacking Pardew will solve all the issues at our club then you are clearly cracked in the head. You don’t like Pardew – many don’t – but at least they acknowledge that he is a puppet, a symptom of the wider problem – Mike Ashley.

    You get rid of Ashley and Pardew no longer is a concern, as a decent owner would have Pardew out the door.

  • 205 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    cjtoon
    so that is yes to both questions, cheers m8

    Jail and Ciaran
    cheers lads, I got that totally wrong as I did believe that we had the status, it was probably a well worded (deceitful lie) press release which had gave me the wrong impression, thank you for putting me right.

  • 206 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:01 PM

    Ciaran belt up! Pardew is an over promoted chancer who is very lucky to still be employed at NUFC.

  • 207 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    Lets play “guess who joined a Cardiff blog since his bezzie became manager”

  • 208 Troy Stavers // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    I want to know why the club don’t take the cup competitions seriously when the fans do.

    31k fans turned up for the game and it was a pathetic showing. How much money did the club make from the game?

    The takings should be given to local amateur football clubs.

  • 209 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    ciaran:

    as much as catchy hates pardew your level of hate for ashley is pretty equal. I think the main issue is theres not really any reason we cant still do well as a club with them both here. We have a really solid foundation at all levels finance, stadium, fans, squad we just need to get the best from it. Not saying i wouldnt change them but in reality we cant.

  • 210 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    spoof:

    Sorry i wasnt really agreeing see #202

    I mean pardew gets quite a bit of stick but ashley takes a lot of the heat off him with all of the other antics. Theres no doubt we could do better but we could do worse too. Ala last season

  • 211 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    cj

    all manger have scouts who go out and try to find the type of player the manager needs, Fergie, Mourinho, all of them, they also have trainers fitness coaches ect, ect, there is too much for just one man, but the credit and the shit all goes to the manager, you cannot say that we are better off under Pardew because of the imput of others, to buck lies with him.
    Yes under Houghton we got some great unexpected results, 5-1 against the scum, 6 versus Villa and AC getting the only goal in a 1-0 v the Arsenal, but please do not try to tell me that the long ball Hughton side was better and/or more entertaining that the current Pardew side as that is just ridiculous.

  • 212 bobby vee // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Ciaran & TADS
    For your information the Tea Lady, and I stress LADY who
    looks after the Press in the Media Room is called KATH
    and is a legend in her own life time, respected by all at NUFC and beyond. Having been involved with NUFC for
    countless years, she has probably forgot more about NUFC
    than you will ever know! Respect where it is due OK!

  • 213 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    Troy

    with the fanatical support which we have it could be argued that 31k plus attendance is by our standard very poor, could the remaining 20k be voting by there none attendance.

  • 214 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:17 PM

    Bobby Vee

    Calm yourself. No one was disrespecting anyone.

  • 215 Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Lo and behold, less than 24 hours after announcing the sanctioning of four signings I have just recieved an e mail offering the last nine games of the season, bit more than the £ 150 I predicted yesterday mind.

  • 216 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Ciaran

    it looks like you’ve upset Bobby vee, now that’s not like you as ordinarily your as quite as a lamb !

  • 217 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Thats what im saying though, i think i did enjoy watching that side more. We played some good football and it wasnt all long ball by any means, a lot of good wing play for a start the sort of wing play we can only dream of now with the exception of debuchy. Maybe its because we did do unexpectedly well and to a certain degree overperformed. But i remember watching a lot of matches and actually enjoying 90 minutes of whole hearted commited football. I didnt say it was a better side but i think some of the football may have been.

    In contrast we currently have a very good technical squad with international players not even getting in the match day squad and i rarely watch a good 90 minute performance packed with attacking intent. Im not naive enough to think this is solely on pardew but responsibility always lies at the managers feet in football (in reality). Plus if your willing to soak up the adulation when things go well you need to be counted when the brown hits the fan. Sadly Pardew has a book of excuses rather than solutions or admissions he may have played a part in said misfortune.

  • 218 martoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    bobby vee @211 – Is that not what I said. To be fair TADS & Ciaran were joking about a tea lady not having a pop at the real one – no need to get quite so excited!

  • 219 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Bobby vee

    I dont think i have ever seen anyone take anything so far out of context as you just did re the tea lady thing!!!!! Lmfao.

  • 220 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:22 PM

    CJ

    I make no bones about my hatred for Ashley. In my view I think I have every right to hate him, and in the same token I think there are very few reasons to defend him which is why I will continue to slate him until he leaves.

    Also, I wasn’t slating Catchy for hating Pardew – it is his right, but I was merely passing comment that the club would benefit more from ridding ourselves of Ashley than it would of ridding ourselves of Pardew. Get rid of Ashley and we rid ourselves of both JFK and Pardew with him.

  • 221 Troy Stavers // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    Spoof,

    I agree that many fans will have thrown the towel in based on the clubs announcement they did not take the competition as a priority.

    But as far as attendances go, its still one of the highest home attendances for a 3rd round game.

  • 222 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    It was bordering on spectacular!

  • 223 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    I proposed the signing of Remy Cabella almost an year ago.

    Check this out

    http://thespectatorsview.com/2012/12/10/10-frenchmen-that-newcastle-should-scout-part-1/

  • 224 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Spoof

    I’m not one to disagree or cause a stir am I? Haha

    On topic – just seen on Twitter that a selection of fans are going to St James’ Park tonight to call for the reinstatement of NUST to the Fans Forum.

    Unfortunately I can’t make it myself, but I think it would be great if others could attend and call the club out on the lack of proper fans representation on, what is becoming, an arbitrary, undemocratic, talking shop.

  • 225 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Jail
    I wish you hadn’t mentioned about offers for the last nine games, I have been a season ticket holder for years and years, but gave it up this year due to a certain Mr A, but f–k–g hell it is killing me, you never appreciate the banter enough until you take yourself out of it, reading posts like yours makes me want to fail and go back, PLEASE bonny lad, no more posts which make me squeal in pain lol

  • 226 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    ciaran:

    Sorry i didnt mean to imply either of you shouldnt/cant hate either of them i was just saying we should still do well with both of them here. We are in a good postition in many aspects (not ideal in anyones book) In particular if we do make 4 signings this window. I think there will be plenty more twists in the Ashley reign and Pardew will be here a while i think.

  • 227 catchy in norway // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    OC I can see where the big problem with our club is, and if we could we should get rid of the lot , ash JFK parsnip and all his shut coaches

    but the easiest one to get the faster results would be change pardew and the coaches, we are way to defensive going backwards under him,

    and if anyone thinks pardew has any say in who we buy , you are the most deluded . we buy mainly attack minded players that pardew tries to make defensive minded, taking away any attacking in stinks they came with

    the guy is a total puppet , tool , ignorant idiot, who needs to look in the mirror to to the real problem

  • 228 mindshaft // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    @Ciaran – to be honest the problem is Pardew, 8th is the minimum we should be with the set of players we currently have.
    Obviously we aren’t going to win the league but we should be doing at least as well as Everton and possibly Liverpool and Spurs,
    Albeit Liverpool have Suarez who is head and shoulders above anyone at toon but beyond that I’m not sure they have anyone that much better

    The difference is that their managers have them playing a fast passing, flowing football style whereas Pards is all about keeping it tight with a bit of passing in our own half then catch them on the break

  • 229 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Cj

    As far as I am concerned, as long as Ashley keeps putting up these glass ceilings – not trying for the cups, and not preparing us for Europe – then my question would be “what is the point?”

    If we are not going to attack a cup, or try and break into the top 6 on a regular basis, then what is the point?

    The mantra of Ashley’s era seems to be ‘do the minimum to get by for maximum profits’ and for me, that is not the way to run Newcastle United and as such he should be removed.

    Catchy

    I would rather put up with poorer football in the short term, if it meant getting rid of Ashley in the long term and reclaiming our club back.

  • 230 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Bobby Vee
    A) Calm down you’ll do yourself a mischief
    B) it’s a joke
    C) who said the media room tea lady? Is there one single tea lady for the whole staff? This isn’t a serious question btw i just find it amazing that out of all the football related arguments on here that’s the one you picked up on, bit weird like

    HD
    Well done, seem to remember nearly every one here over a year ago saying we should be looking at this lad before they lost Belhanda

  • 231 Rotonda heights // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    mindshaft

    spot on

  • 232 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    Mindshaft

    I am not saying that better managers wouldn’t want to come here, or have us playing better football – of course they would.

    The thing with good managers is this, they tend to have a spine and be principled, because they know they are good enough to get a job elsewhere. The reason we are stuck with Pardew is because a) he is a cheap option, b) he is spineless enough to go with anything MA says because he knows he will not get a better job and c) lacks principles that would see him kick up a fuss about the way he has to conduct himself with the media re transfer et al.

    As for 8th being the minimum with the players we have? You’re right, we should be 8th as a minimum requirement, but Ashley will be delighted if we finished 8th with a threadbare squad every season = maximum profit for minimum investment.

    Under those circumstances, why would he sack Pardew?

  • 233 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    Ruddy; how can one get rid of an owner of a limited company? Unless someone offers him £250m + , he is here to stay.
    We need to find a way of engaging him so his plans can match our dreams.
    Personally, I think we’re backing a non runner either way, however the latter is more likely than the former.

  • 234 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Troy

    we will always turn up in droves, at times we are our own worst enemy, for most clubs getting 31k plus would be phenominal, we aren’t most clubs, look at Sunderland, 20k for a quarter final against Chelsea, if that was us we could have sold the stadium out at least twice, what a shame that we don’t hane someone who could use this to his/her and our advantage, the marketing potential must be massive.

  • 235 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    TADS

    So it’s not exclusive :(

  • 236 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Personally, I think those who are calling for the manager’s head and not focusing on the current custodian of the club are missing the bigger picture and are looking at short term gain rather than the long term future of our club.

  • 237 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:43 PM

    Novo

    It is more likely that we are able to engage with Ashley so we can get him to match our ambitions for the club?

    Respectfully, I disagree entirely.

    As for how we can get rid of Ashley? Well he has shown himself incapable of dealing with criticism – his decision to ban NCJ media following the march was the billionaire equivalent of throwing his toys out of the pram. I say keep the pressure on him, protest, call him out, create negative media for him and his business interests and see how he responds.

    It is better than doing nothing.

  • 238 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    ciaran:

    the problem is ashley cant just be ‘removed’ whereas Pardew can and i would say the fans play a part in Pardews future at the club (not much but a little).

    Im not sure ashley is doing that, he isnt the manager of the team Pardew has the tools to work with to do either of those things and arguably both.

    i still dont get this view ashley is after maximum profits either i do think he genuinely wants us to get better and become competitive for the european slots. I think he has been cautious but our transfer dealings have been well executed. If he was just wanting to make a profit why would we ever reject bids for our players?

    I think Ashley can still suprise us in a good way for a change. As always what we do in this window will help us to make up our minds.

  • 239 Our Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Ashley has sanctioned up to 4 deals, should we be happy or grateful as some seem to think we should be!! These 4 players should have been bought in the summer, we are the only club that seem to think January transfer window is where we get value for money!! The only players available in this window are ones that aren’t very successful at there current, running down there contract or unhappy players.

    I said yesterday that Luuk de Jong isn’t the answer to our problems upfront, if we do bring him in my biggest concern is that we have bought in 2 players for this season and none of them belong to us!!

    We do need a new manager and I would look at de boer from Ajax, Percy is very limited as a manager, the bulk of our points won have come from great individual performances rather than a team effort!!

  • 240 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    HD
    Sorry mate!! Still doesn’t take away from the fact he’s a cracking player and would really give us that whole package in the number 10 role rather that trying to make players like Cabs or HBA in to a number 10, which there just not!

  • 241 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Our toon:

    I dont hink it matters when we do our business as long as it is beneficial to our squad. Obviously the summer is prefeered as it allows the players to bed in but the imports from last jan are now coming along nicely and if we can get top players at good prices or on pre contracts then I dont see why that is a negative.

    Im with you on de boer however he turned down spurs so i doubt he would fancy coming to us.

  • 242 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    Ciaran

    To be fair, the Media have themselves just as much to blame. The coverage they had in the papers was WAAAYYYY OTT. There was practically nowt else in the paper! I refuse to feel sorry for them, even though i agree Ashley should be ousted.

  • 243 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    Cj

    One of the few benefits of Ashley’s tenure is that he does not sell easily – that could be because clubs will know that they have to pay top dollar if they want our players ie maximising profits of any sales.

    Selling Cabaye for 10 million would not have been good business, though it may have been a profit. Just because he rejected that bid does not mean he is not interested in profits. That is too black/white a view.

    If Ashley genuinely wanted us to be competitive he would have invested in 2012 after we finished 5th. That was not simply a ‘mistake’ which they have learned from, it was a deliberate plan of action. Our squad was not strong enough to progress – even without those injuries and suspensions which marred last season we had a squad only capable of top 10. If he genuinely wanted us to be competitive we would have invested properly instead of leaving us woefully short until Jan where we effectively panic bought to avoid relegation.

  • 244 mindshaft // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:52 PM

    @Ciaran – Sadly Pards won’t be sacked as he will hit the clubs target of top ten unless we have an almighty collapse in the 2nd half of the season. I’m sure Ashley would like champions league footy on the cheap and if we had a better manager it’s possible we could sneak 4th but it’s just not on Ashleys radar much like any cup

    This is the only reason I would like Ashley to sell up, i.e. a total lack of ambition for the club, even if he isn’t going to invest more money he should at least be looking at getting the best manager he can possibly get and Pards is def not the man to get the best out of our current crop of players

  • 245 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    mindshaft

    Pardew has assembled this squad of players by selling -£15m worth of talent, yes that is what his sell to buy figures are, so you are having a go at him because you feel that he is not getting the best out of the squad he assembled at a financial gain to the owner, but even though we play better football and are a much better team and it has cost minus £15m you still have a go at the manager, QPR spent millions to get relegated, Sunderland had a spending spree in the summer and will get relegated, West Ham spent millions and might join Sunderland, Alan Pardew has had the smallest transfer kitty amongst the PL clubs but we are getting better and you have a go at the manager, think about it.

  • 246 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    Markacus

    Even if you agree with the club’s reasoning, surely there were better ways of addressing that issue than immediately applying a blanket ban on press coverage of Newcastle United. Add to that their decision to bar the only democratically constituted fan group from the Forum for a piddly issue over posting of minutes (NUST did not post minutes, it was Peter Fanning’s report on the meeting, which did not contradict anything the club posted) then you get the impression that Ashley does not want anything that may amount to criticism to be published.

    Which I feel backs my assertion that the more we do to protest and criticise the way he operates, the more furious the fat controller will become, hopefully to breaking point where he ups sticks and leaves.

  • 247 cjtoon // Jan 6, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    ciaran:

    I didnt say anything about the cabaye bid but other than carroll and Ba we havent really sold anyone for other than market value. it would be naive to think we havent had offers for some of our players. I think we probably had quite a few for cabaye tiote and krul when we finished fifth.

    Without sounding argumentative do we not want our club to be profitable, personally as a fan i want that. whether it was a mistake or not back then makes little difference as we now have a squad that is good enough so how can we blame ashley if we have the squad and can still turn a profit?

  • 248 DokToon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    catchy @ 226…

    please, kind sir, tell us how you truly feel :)

  • 249 Our Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    CJ Toon

    The issue with buying in Jan and not the summer is quite obvious in my eyes, every team around us is strengthening in the summer whilst we kick back and relax that is a disadvantage, the players other teams buy settle in when January comes round again this is an advantage for them. We buy in Jan but players don’t settle until the following season (odd exception Cisse)

  • 250 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Mindshaft

    Getting the best manager he can possibly get costs money. Pardew is reportedly on 500k a year, whereas Solskjaer – a PL newbie and managerial novice has already got a yearly salary of 4m a year.

    Pardew will not get sacked unless we are in serious danger of being relegated again. Ashley merely wants us to stay in the league. Those who think he will be sacked if we finished outside the top 10 are deluding themselves I fear.

  • 251 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    I’ve don’t have any time for the local or national hacks and I’m not that bothered they have been banned. Having said that I do not see the point of the ban.
    Ashley is here until someone buys him out. He is a hard nosed business man and he won’t give a toss about the bedsheet brigade marching on Barrack Road. He won’t see them from his luxury yacht in the Med.
    We have to try and conciliate with him to move the club on and I don’t mean stroke his ego. Perish the thought. Calling him a FCB will only alienate him further.

  • 252 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    Cj

    First and foremost our squad has been proven to not be good enough. We cannot even compete in more than 1 competition with the squad we have it would seem. First 11 is very good, scratch the surface and players like Obertan, Saylor, Shola and Jonas show how weak our squad actually is.

    Secondly, as long as we are in no danger financially, I couldn’t give a toss whether we are in the red or in the black. I am a football fan, not a bloody accountant. That may make me sound argumentative, but it boils my piss when supposed football fans put weight behind being profitable. Since when did NUFC fans ever care about being profitable!?!

  • 253 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    Markaccus

    sorry m8 but the paper reflected the feelings of most of the fans, if your in the public eye you are open to praise and criticism, you have to take both in equal measure, they want the praise but not the criticism, it doesn’t work like that.

  • 254 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    Ciaran

    I totally agree the NUST should not have been banned. They did not do anything other than carry out a peacfull protest with valid concerns. I susspect it was the medias coverage that did for nust as well.Ashley is a spiteful bat fastard. No doubt about it.

  • 255 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    It seems a strange window this time. Very quiet and Moyes saying the players he wants might not be available. Rare to hear that out of ManU. Sounds more like what Pardew would say along with “we tried” on Jan. 31. I have join the cynical crowd about the injuries to Cabaye and Krul. It would be madness to sell either but our owner is a strange bird indeed. We need a striker first and a good CB second without selling anyone if we are to stay in the top 8. Below 8th there seems to be a fair amount of dross so Ashley must be laughing.

  • 256 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Spoof

    Yes it did do that. But it did it over and over with page after page of the same stuff, to the extent that it was no longer objective and i think it actually diluted supporters genuine complaints and degraded them into petty slagging. You have to remember that in general, newspapers are run by and staffed by total c**nts!

  • 257 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Novo

    You seem more intent on cosying up with/understanding Mike Ashley than you do with your fellow disgruntled fans. Bedsheet brigade? That kind of talk will only alienate you from your fellow fans. Saddens me to hear that kind of dismissive nonsense.

  • 258 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    How’s this for a scenario? Fat Sam gets the bullet at WHU, who then need a cheap alternative. They offer Pardew the job and he does one to the Boleyn? JFK gets the Toon hot seat.

  • 259 Tsunki // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:09 PM

    I knew that JFK’s appointment was just deflect us from the real culprit of all our woes. If we are going to see success and make changes to this club, forget Pardew, forget Ashley, we’ve got to get Kath the Tea Lady out while there’s still time!

    :D

    Oh and Ian Toon don’t listen to your mate, it was Yanga who let his man drift behind him and didn’t even try to jump for the cross, Saylor saw what was happening and left his mark to try and deal with it but too late. Santon of course was buying a Balti Pie so shouldn’t be blamed at all.

    If they are going to ask difficult questions I hope they ask which is the world’s longest river, I get a different answer every time.

  • 260 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    GeordieTwo

    I seem to rember Moyes saying something like that in the summer. I think he is covering himself because, as yet, he has not got the pulling power of Alex Ferganoid.

  • 261 Tsunki // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Novo, that’s not a scenario, that’s a likelihood. Different things.

  • 262 Our Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    Geordietwo

    Moyes is in a different transfer market to us, the players they want clubs won’t want to sell mid season!!

    De boer didn’t reject spurs but he has said that he won’t leave midway through a season!!

  • 263 Marty-Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    @mindshaft
    Apart from Suarez who is head and shoulders above any of our players(correct)Liverpool don’t have anyone better than us,
    I have to disagree
    Coutinho is a fantastic player and Sturridge has done well too.
    Their central defenders actually score goals for the team although I wouldn’t have their wing backs
    Even Dare I say it Henderson is playing better than most of our players but it doesn’t mean they’ve better players,it just goes to show that their manager knows how to get then to play

    Pards says we wanna get the transfer business done quickly but their still looking for telephone numbers for the clubs involved

  • 264 Tsunki // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    I like Keano’s stance on fans – ‘sometimes fans are idiots’. Now that’s diplomacy. Mike should hire him for PR.

  • 265 Our Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Marty toon

    Coutinho is on par with HBA granted that Coutinho is younger!! The lad doesn’t track back loves a trick and is probably a better passer than Benny!!!

    Liverpools team is better than ours as is there squad, Gerard Enrique, Sakho, Skertal, Agger, Suarez, sturridge,, sterling and Coutinho are all players who would get into our first team

  • 266 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Good comments lads. It’s just good to see ManU struggling and no easy out for them anymore. Would love to see them finish 6th or lower but they’ll probably get van Persie back and go on a bit of a run. As for us anything is possible with a disinterested owner, an out of touch delusional DoF and a very average manager who thinks we can win every match 1-0.

  • 267 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Markaccus

    over reaction or not, and I do appreciate you views on this this, but what was surely missed which ever side your on was the opportunity for the protest group to capitalise and organise another protest shortly after the newspaper ban when feelings were at boiling point, nothing was done it was as if they felt they had done enough and were now glorifying in the slaughter of the bad press, but now they are like lambs to the slaughter again, they should have struck when the iron was hot, like yourself bonny lad I may follow the Rugby rather than the football, having said that it could be a case of from bad to worse

  • 268 Our Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Sorry Marty toon, I should have said mindshaft!! Sometimes we look at things through tinted glasses

  • 269 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    Ruddy; I admire the fans for making a stand what they believe is a worthy cause. I was trying to convey Ashley’s apathy and the futility of the demonstration.
    I was in town the day of the demonstration. I didn’t see or hear a thing while I was in town. However the pubs I frequented on the said day were full of Newcastle United supporters.
    It was a small minority that demonstrated, compared to the attendance on the day and therefore you would have to agree it was totally misrepresentated in the press. Until someone finds a way of motivating the majority to take action, the demonstrations, well intended or not, are doomed to fall on deaf ears.
    Personally I have no time for Ashley or any other previous owner / chairman who has controlled the club in my lifetime. They have all milked the cash cow, the supporters, to some degree.

  • 270 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Spoof

    Protests take time/money to organise, I know because I have been involved in organising protests in the past. It needs to be ratified by council, the police etc. All in all, a protest could cost you well over £1000.

    I think you are being incredibly unfair on people who paid for that protest out of their own pocket, and spent time and energy organising it.

  • 271 cyprus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    A fair assessment of AP:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/as-alan-pardew-reached-three-years-in-charge-of-newcastle-he-must-start-living-up-to-his-own-billing-8989173.html

  • 272 lochinvar // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    Managers approach games and influence them in different ways, these quotes from Laudrup after Swansea beat manure in the FA Cup ( and ok we beat man utd in the league so no probs with that result ) – or is he just a good politician and talks about how he achieved something after it has happened..
    “I wanted to avoid a replay so I wanted to risk a little to go for the game,” said Laudrup.
    “After they equalised they had 10-15 minutes where they had a couple of chances and put us under pressure.
    “But apart from that I didn’t get the feeling that it was going to be a really long afternoon.”
    “We looked comfortable even at 11 against 11 and I thought we had a chance. Then after the sending off I added one more striker to go for the game.”
    If Pardew had had the same strong approach perhaps he could have maintained pressure on Cardiff to secure a 2-0 lead by bringing on Remy ( and maybe Sammy) much earlier to secure the result. Or didn’t he want to be in the 4th Round of the Cup along with West Ham, Spurs, manure and others !

  • 273 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    Novo

    What pub were you in? If you were in any of the pubs on Percy Street you’d have seen the protest as many who didn’t protest lined the streets to applaud those who did.

    I stand behind the utility of the march, and will back any future demonstrations as it dispelled the notion that Ashley does not care what we think. It is the apathy of the fans which allows Ashley to continue operating like he does.

  • 274 Mister Tuff // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Those attending SJP tonight -if they’ve got anything about them should be to play the regime at their own game.
    First – NUFC have no right at all to ban NUST or anybody else for that matter.
    Then declare they have no confidence in the forum and refuse to carry on until NUST is re-instated.
    Then inform the regime that they have failed to follow the principles of the UEFA SLO scheme and that they will make an official complaint to UEFA about what has happened and to complain to UEFA and that as a consequence of their actions the Toon are not fulfilling their UEFA licence obligations.

  • 275 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Spoof

    Yeah i agree if there had been more protests to follow i think that would have been good. Like i say the protesting itself was well warranted, and still is. Might have been good if someone from nust had had a word with the media to try and get them to be objective and impartial (as they should be but rarely are).

    I am a season ticket holder at the falcons, and after fridays showing i am about ready to protest up there, too! The press can f**k off, though ;)

  • 276 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I agree that that is the approach that should be taken by those attending the Forum tonight. Unfortunately, the glory hunters that are FansUtd have a seat on the forum, one that they will not relinquish by hell or high water.

  • 277 MosesNUFC // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    Turkish media linking us with moussa sow
    Montpellier have bought in a replacement for cabella and their president says offer is imminent

  • 278 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Ciaran, do you think it’s responsible to give a newbie manager a contract worth £4m a year? As for our squad, you might not rate it, but we’ve never had such a strong bench. Are you blaming Mikey for that?

  • 279 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    Lazio V Inter

  • 280 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    Blackley

    To avoid any ill feeling I think I should just let you know that I am, from the outset, simply not going to engage with you.

  • 281 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    The F.A. should be able to police some of these despotic dictatorship decisions that some owners make. NUST ban is unacceptable. Supporters make a club. I dont agree with a total blanket ban of the Media, but certainly some papers are best kept away, at the risk of ruining the validity of important concerns.

  • 282 Mister Tuff // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Whilst listening to John Anderson on BBC Radio Newcastle after the match he made comments about Cisse always getting caught by the offside trap. His explanation was simplicity itself -basically that Cisse does not make his runs in a curve when the ball is pumped forward. He is on the shoulder of the defender when he commences his run and therefore get caught out every time.
    If he did a curved or diagonal run he would beat the trap.
    Seems a very reasonable observation from an ex- pro.

  • 283 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Ruddy

    I was not having a go at the protesters, I just felt that under the intense media pressure it would have been better to have another march when the going was good, the pathetic over reaction from the club was a massive gift which remained unopened from my point of view, but well before the first protest I did warn you that this was a likely hood, too many big gobs who do naff all, its never changed and it probably never will, I do wish that I had been wrong but ?

  • 284 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Just because we performed poorly in the cup, despite anything Pardew might say, he was clearly taking it very seriously and resisted the temptation to blood youngsters. Never mind science against him, he simply couldn’t motivate his players.

  • 285 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    Spoof

    So immediately after paying over £1000 for a march, Time4Change – a small group made up of working class people – were expected to do the exact same thing again, all out of their own pockets?

    Fans are more than willing to pay for their match-day ticket, buy a programme, eat inside the ground, buy club merchandise, and then complain about Mike Ashley and say fans groups should be doing this, that or the other. If more supporters put their money where their mouth is and actually backed their fellow fans then maybe they would have been able to do that.

    It is easy to say what should be done from the comfort of our armchairs.

  • 286 Mister Tuff // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Ciaran – I suspect you are probably right about tonights’ meeting in that those attending may want to promote their own ego’s at the expense of sticking together. Hopefully not but that is what I suspect. The Toon have been audacious in banning a supporters group -when the reality is they have absolutely no authority to do so.
    So I would follow suit and declare the supporters groups did not want to engage – what’s good for the goose is good for the gander – then they (NUFC)may see how childish the ban was and they can all start again with a clean slate.

  • 287 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Ciaran, it was a bit of a tough question for you. Have I said something to upset you?
    Does anyone think mikey wouldn’t love the riches of the champions league? Those who complain about free advertising, think of the value of it to him in the CL.

  • 288 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    We have considerable dross in the squad including of course the by now often mentioned Obertan, Gosling (damaged by injuries), Vuckic (damaged by injuries), Marveaux (what really happened to him?), and others. Any reasonably competent DoF would have addressed this by now. Joe hasn’t even learned the names yet. I wonder what he tells Ashley. An example “Mike I’m looking into the whole Kebab business again now. He should definitely bring in 25M for us. Krul is probably worth 50M Mike so don’t worry we’ll be jumping into a pile of cash soon.”

  • 289 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I agree with your reasoning entirely, and hope that that is the conclusion that they eventually come to, but sadly I think that will not be the case.

    The reality is that until NUST are reinstated, the Trust has absolutely no validity as far as I am concerned. Having been to FansUtd meetings (and witnessed how warped their recording of minutes are) I have come to the conclusion that they have sold their soul to the devil in return for ‘dialogue’ with the club – which comes in the way of Wendy Taylor and, more often, Lee Marshall – who is quite adept at bare face lying.

    All appointments are now arbitrary ones that have been vetted by the club, and as such it is now no more than a talking shop. As a NUST member, I do not feel represented by the forum and as such do not validate its existence.

  • 290 Markaccus // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    B & B

    Thing is, Ashley knows that to get CL, he would have to spend big and employ a jose mourinho. Even then CL is not nailed on. He just isnt the type of man to risk paying big and then falling short.

  • 291 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Spot on Markaccus @288. You’ve got Mikey sussed mate. No way we’ll ever even try to make Champs league unless all the big spenders in the league disappear in a puff of smoke. We have no chance of finishing in the top 4 with Ashley as owner, now or ever.

  • 292 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Ruddy

    get off your high horse, £1k for a march is palty, did you see the Palace match, Jimmy Nail and Sting sitting together, Shearer, and so many other players who are loaded, there is a wealth of of riches who could be approached if the big fat arses would allow it, I dare bet that Alan Pardew would donate if it could be kept quite, £1k is f all, don’t use that as an excuse, the problem is as I told you from the outset, there will always be someone who could do it better than me and as a result fuckall gets done, please tell me if I’m wrong.

  • 293 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    Another comment from Joe to Mike:
    “Mike we have a fantastic squad. The competition at all positions is fabulous. Look at the tremendous wingers we have. Why we have that Oobertoon fella, then there’s the amazing Furgoodsun on loan (or have I bid for him?). Then we have the brilliant Marvello (where has he got to again?). It’s just incredible Mike. Other clubs are just drooling at our depth.

  • 294 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    Ruddy

    at 283, thats pathetic m8 and you know it is, did you see the Palace game, Jimmy Nail and Sting in the stands,Shearer and even Tony Blair, we are wicked with people who could support the financial needs of a group who want better for our club, but as I told you from the out set it is a bunch of gobshites who do have have the brains to maximise any good which they may have done, are you another gobshite or are you going to do something about it.

  • 295 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    Ruddy; in a roundabout way you have highlighted the problem. You’re a member of Time4Change, then there is the NUST and there is also FansUtd, who you don’t have much respect for.
    The suporter groups are fractious, they all want what is best for Newcastle but they are divided and therefore they cannot have a common agenda. What is required is ONE group with a clear andcohesive manifesto to move the club forward. to motivate the majority of the fans to convince the owner to change his ways.
    We are a mile away from that. Divide and conquer.

  • 296 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    Spoof

    Oh I get it, so in order to get Mike Ashley out all we have to do is ask Ant and Dec, Sting and Jimmy Nail. Simple.

    Is that the mindset of our fans. I’m not going to bother doing anything because someone else will do it. I am doing something about it. I am in on the ground floor, I am doing my bit.

    Question is, what are you, and other fans who criticise in their armchairs doing? If your answer is ‘not going to the games’ or ‘going to games but not buying a pie’ or ‘whinging about Ashley from my armchair’ then I fear you’re not doing enough.

  • 297 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    GeordieTwo

    grow up mate

  • 298 Marty-Toon // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    OurToon
    I was just gonna reply to your comment until i seen you corrected yourself ;-)

  • 299 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    Novo

    I agree, fans groups have been famously divided over the years. Time4Change is actually the only group in recent times to unite all the fans groups in their support of the march. That may not sound like a huge deal, but it is.

    But just because we have division and discord among some fans does not mean we should not try and force change regardless. Just because I dislike FansUtd does not mean I would not work with them for the betterment of the club.

  • 300 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    Markaccus, mikeys not going to splash out for a chance of quick success. But he might spend wisely and build steadily. The reason he is able to own the club, unlike me or you, is because he has built his other businesses on strong foundations. You’re dead right to mention risk. Fans like ruddy want jam today, but they’re not the ones taking the risk.

  • 301 Ciaran // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    Anyway lads, I must be off. Have a good evening!

  • 302 mag // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    When managers such as Martinez and Laudrup win cups with vastly inferior squads it just goes to show how inept Pardew really is. The better quality players in the squad are made to look ordinary by his team tactics and ridiculous substitutions ie defenders brought on when a game is already lost, players played out of position and the fact that he’s one of life’s born losers.

  • 303 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Well thanks Spoof @294. I didn’t realize we were being monitored for maturity by such a superior being as you. I’ll watch myself from now on. No, really I will.

  • 304 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Has ruddy got a massively wealthy benefactor whom he can trust and who is ready to step in? He talks as if he has. I can’t ask him because for some reason he wont engage with me. He doesn’t seem to care for the tough questions.

  • 305 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    Ruddy

    come on m8 you know my stance, once bitten twice shy, I have been there, granted you asked me to come along to the new forums which I declined due to “once bitten twice shy” I have seen it all before and I am seeing it again and once again we get get kids like yourself who feel that me and my generation haven’t a clue, well good luck to ya, but I tell you now, go for Ashley though Newcastle football club and you have failed, if you want to send a message to Ashley it can only be from Sports Direct, but has that ever been discussed, not likely, a sad clueless bunch who have not had the forsight to seek a figure head.

  • 306 Novocastrian66 // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:24 PM

    Therein lies the problem. I’m a lost cause you’ll never get me out my armchair, or the pub, to go on a march. Doesn’t mean to say I wouldn’t support a group with clear objectives to change the mindset of the club and more importantly the owner. We’re nowhere near having that group.
    Good Luck Ruddy. Don’t let your hatred of Ashley blind your love of Newcastle United.

  • 307 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    Geordietwo

    with all due respect you did deserve the comment I made, it wasn’t one of your best posts was it

  • 308 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    i hope in the meeting someone is gonna ask IF the TV and final position in the PL money is going to be spent on Newcastle and Newcastle alone.

  • 309 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    308

    why bother asking the question, we all know that the money will go into the back pocket, as it always has.

  • 310 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    a lot of ppl in the past have mentioned that Newcastle will receive between 60-80 million in the TV deal!

    only question is will MA pocket it ( very much likely ) or will it be spent on improving our squad & coaches ( most likely not )

  • 311 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    You’re absolutely right Spoof @307. From now on I’ll submit my posts to you for review as supreme arbiter of all that is mature before making them available to everyone else. After all the level of maturity on here is incredibly high and I am guilty of dragging it downward. Thanks once again Spoof. It’s very comforting knowing such a font of knowledge as you is available to us. Oh was my previous post @303 mature enough? And what about this one? Probably not. Hmmmm. Oh well just grin and bear it mate as you have no censorship oversight I’m aware of on here.

  • 312 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    and spoof has already answered before i posted again :)

  • 313 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Spoof while we’re at it do you think our DoF is the right man for the job? Are you staggered by his contributions to the club so far? His mastery of the English language? His subtle handling of the press? Just wondering mate.

  • 314 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    rumours have it that Newcastle are going into negotiations with Cabella and also eyeing Sow!

    speculations don’t we just love it ;)

  • 315 Spoof // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Geordie calm down m8, I just could not see any value in comment 293, and all I did was say so, sorry I thought that was what forums were about, nothing personel, but what was the point of the post ?

  • 316 Ancientcoptic // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    Ciaran

    Can I ask where you got the information that Solskjaer is on £4 million per year.

    That would make him higher paid than the likes of Klopp & Pellegrini… are you sure?

  • 317 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    Cool, so we’ll have the following strikers to choose from in January:

    Cisse
    Remy
    Gouffran
    Ameobi
    Sow
    De Jong
    Ba
    Gomis

    That’s what you call strength in depth.

  • 318 GeordieTwo // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    Ok Spoof I’m calm again now :). The point of the 293 was that Kinnear is useless as DoF, doesn’t understand today’s game, can’t pronounce our own players’ names, and doesn’t have a clue about strengthening the squad. He will suck up to Ashley mightily but that’s about it. His lack of awareness of his own past achievements is equally appalling. The man belongs in a senior’s home, not as DoF of our club.

  • 319 Ancientcoptic // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    Sorry, that comment was not Ciaran:

    ”Jail for Ashley // Jan 6, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    We all know Pardew is a mediocre manager, nothing more nothing less, he will never be considered for England even with a dearth of top flight English managers, Solksjaer an unproven manager commands a salary of £4M , the silver tongued lothario works for 500K, go and figure that one out, he is the best manager we can get.”

    Again, where is this 4 million coming from?

  • 320 MosesNUFC // Jan 6, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    If i could take any manager (Within the range of how big we are as a club) to replace pardew, i think the perfect manager for us would be Michael Laudrup. He would give us a new exciting attractive brand of football philosophy week in week out and would give us success.

  • 321 lesh // Jan 6, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    NE Offers? Laser treatment for teeth? Free advertising?

    Is this classed as being enterprising and is somebody taking the pi$$ out of Ed or is there a tenuous connection to Saylor?

    Maybe Ed’ll start thinking about slapping a fee on for advertising under cover of a post on a blog dedicated to Newcastle United!




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