Tough Questions To Be Asked At Fan Forum Meeting Tonight


The second fan forum meeting will take place tonight after the first one held in September was quite successful, although the NUST (Newcastle United Supporters Trust) managed to get themselves banned after going against the agreements in place, when they published their minutes before Newcastle had published their formal minutes of the meeting.

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Joe Kinnear – will not be present at tonight’s meeting

So they will not be present tonight, but NUFC Fans United will be, and with any luck they will send us a report of how the meeting goes tonight.

It’s clear that Joe Kinnear would like better communications with the fans, but Newcastle – since the first fan forum meeting in September – have banned journalists from the Journal, Chronicle and Sunday Sun to their press facilities, and that’s been in effect since early November – and that’s a long time.

And the official reason for the ban was for their over the top coverage of the Time4Change  march (according to Newcastle ) that took place on 19th October, and maybe 250 supporters turned up for that demonstration – basically against owner Mike Ashley.

This is what Kinnear has said about the fans forum:

“The club has pledged to use the forum as its primary means of supporter engagement, tackling the matters which are important in an honest, open and respectful communication process.”

“The group will get together four times each season to discuss all aspects of the club and having met for the first time in September. “

“The feedback from the first meeting was very encouraging. As you would expect there were some very challenging issues which were debated and some very passionate views expressed.”

“The views of supporters are important.” “With everyone at the club and its supporters pulling in the same direction, we should be hugely optimistic about what we can achieve.”

“It is clear that we are far stronger now both on and off the field than we were heading into 2013.”

Lee Marshall is the new Public Relations and Supporter Liaison manager at Newcastle, and this is what he had to say in Saturday’s program  for the Cardiff City disaster:

“Direct, open dialogue is vital to maintaining a healthy relationship between the club and its supporters.” “So it is great to see the commitment being made to the Fans Forum from all sides.”

“The inaugural meeting in September produced very candid discussions, which really helped those around the table – and all fans through published minutes – to understand how the club operates and how we can work together to improve it.”

“We are looking forward to building on that on Monday.”

We would hope the bans are lifted on the local journalists, since it’s now been over two months since the ban started – and that’s a long time to be out in the cold – so to speak – especially since it’s now January. 😀

But Joe Kinnear will not be present tonight, and we assume one reason for that is he’s off trying to get some good players brought into the club – which is what his job is – after all.

There should be some good tough honest questions asked, and it will be good to see what the answers are coming from the club.

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321 comments so far

  • Ben3arfa

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #1

    Lee Marshall is a Boro supporter and yet he is the Public Relations and Supporter Liaison manager at Newcastle United.

    What a Joke Ashley has made of this club

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  • croftus5678

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #2

    my view on de-jong is the lad was one of the best strikers around 2 years ago and has a great all round game back then.
    so today would i risk him on loan for 6 month’s in shola’s place ? without a seconds though 🙂

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #3

    Couldn’t really have a NUFC fan in that position.

    I guess Marshall can spin better than Pardew to get that job.

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #4

    Ben3arfa,

    So what?

    There can be very few owners, managers and management staff who are at the club they supported as a boy. Given the number of foreign owners and managers this shouldn’t be a surprise.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #5

    nobody who gives a rats will be there.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #6

    De Jong is worth a punt.

    You can never have too many strikers.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #7

    santon

    top = CL
    5th = europa league

    that’s it I think

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #8

    Hatem,

    Absolutely.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #9

    We are in a position of strength with regard to League position, finances having not touched the £60M TV money and with make weight players to add to any potential transfers.

    We should:
    1 – Sign Tom Ince for £1/2M plus loan back Marvaeux/Obertan.
    2 – Extend Goslings contract and keep him on loan, as stand by Cabaye (not direct replacement).
    3 – Loan out Marvaeux/Obertan to Villa, to generate good will towards potential transfer of Benteke.
    4 – Loan in De Jong there is no harm in it.
    5 – Clear out any disappointment and rejuvenate target of finishing as high as possible in the League, worry about the effect of where we finish in the summer, the experience will be worthwhile and the money from finishing position is better.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #10

    People need to relax at the moment. Sky reported Ashley has sanctioned up to 4 signings. If we get them in that’s fairly ambitious given we are sat comfortable in 8th place.

    On pardew of course I believe a better manager would get this lot playing exciting, attacking football and be possibly higher up the league, like Everton currently are.

    A lot of reaction seems over the top to me. Of course we could have a better owner or manager but there are plenty worse owners and managers in our very league.

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  • SharpEnough23

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #11

    Kinnear trying to pronnounce Monchengladbach that should be fun

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #12

    I was disappointed the club said Europe was a burden two years ago but appreciate why they said it. If the plan was to add 2-4 players a year and we needed a good 8 to cope with Europe then of course that’s a problem for the club, bringing in 8 in one window would be difficult to do and also integrate properly.

    We added 5 last jan (even if it was panic buys they were still players we had a plan to sign at some stage) and look to bring in up to 4 this window. That means if we get Europe we will be in a strong place to attack on all fronts hopefully next season.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #13

    SharpEnough23 – “Mongral-hatchback”

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #14

    Transfer Sage

    What you say about player numbers in regard to Europa is spot on, we got knocked out in the quarter finals(?) so with additional players we should be more secure. Hopefully the previous experience will have been a learning curve.

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  • martoon

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #15

    Well said JimmySmith from last topic. It is gutting to be out the FA cup but to suggest our season is over and not worth watching any more is ridiculous and not what I would expect from NUFC fans, Manure fans yes but not us.

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  • SharpEnough23

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #16

    I loved our cup run in the Europa league and if it wasnt for poor defending by Santon and Saylor in the away leg we would of got through.

    Plus now if you win the Europa league you get into CL

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #17

    martoon

    our season is over in terms of winning something but that’s it.

    I watch us not for trophies, would be nice, but to see us win and hopefully in style as much as possible.

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #18

    Transfer Sage

    I think the club was right to say that the Europa League was a burden because they didn’t have enough quality in depth to rotate sufficient numbers of players two games a week.

    Have they now got sufficient quality in depth? Possibly not but contrary to what many fans think the club is not stupid and given our current league position must think that they have a reasonable chance of qualifying again and hopefully if the current rumours are true they are trying to rectify the problem.

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  • martoon

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #19

    TS @17 – Agreed but there were one or two posters on the previous topic who stated they were not going to watch the matches anymore – they used to be called fair weather supporters!

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  • sparky55

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #20

    sorry repost…got caught out again!

    I really do think this is very simple and I don’t really want to attract a load of abuse but I’m on the blog so it comes with the territory…

    Carr is an intelligent and experienced scout…he doesn’t scout players who play hoofball…he scouts players who can play the beautiful game as it should be played and how the french youth programmes teach the game to be played…on the ground and teaching first touch control and by keeping possession.

    So he scouts really good players with the attributes stated above and Pardew gets his grubby little hands on them and makes them play in a way completely foreign to the way they’ve been taught to play football since they were 8 years old.

    Pardew is a dinosaur who belongs in a bye-gone age…no-one else in the premiership sets his team up like pardew because every other coach in the premiership knows midfield domination is the key to success and with them playing 5 midfielders and pardew paying 4 how the hell are we expected to dominate…which of course then leads to us being over-ran in the middle and marked out of the game so the only option left to man on the ball is to hoof it up to Shola or Remy…PATHETIC!

    Pardew relies on wonder goals from our gifted players…how often do we play great football with numerous touches leading up to a tap-in goal??? not many is the answer

    The reason why we get caught out week-in week-out is the tactics of a man who so out of touch is beyond belief.

    If we sack him now we won’t go down even if they put me in charge for the rest of the season so why not do what other teams have done and try our luck with younger more progressive managers who suit the type of players we have in the squad just like Liverpool and Swanasea and Southampton and spurs and Everton.

    I guess I can dream

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #21

    marton

    yeh that’s a bit odd, but each to their own

    slank

    they also used a lot of squad players in the league phase, we often used to make 7/8 changes with obertan, gosling, etc getting games.

    It was a problem not just extra games but how this effected our training and prep for games. Hopefully with our extra players we now have, a few more to come in and last years experience we are in a better position to deal with it.

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  • Ben3arfa

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #22

    Yeah only that Boro are our biggest rivals after the mackems .

    Doesnt matter at all

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #23

    Martin,

    I remember when after a defeat a few people on here said they would never have anything more to do with Newcastle United but bizarrely continued to post regularly to this blog reiterating that they wouldn’t have anything to do with Newcastle United!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #24

    sparky 55

    I think using 4 or 5 midfielders isn’t the issue, it’s the plan to play defensive and keep people back, doesn’t matter how many midfielders you have then.

    spurs play 2 up top, man utd play 2 up top, man city play 2 up top, liverpool play 2 up top…works for them.

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #25

    Martoon not Martin.

    Curse of predicted software!

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  • Geordie1

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #26

    Those of you on here who think Ashley and his cronies are going to spend the bulk of the £60 million+ are living in cloud cookoo land the man is a fat selfish tyrant and until we are rid of this buffoon Newcastle United FC will always be a stepping stone for players wanting to play in the Premierleague we will win nothing whilst this TOOL is the owner, do not under any circumstances think that maybe he has woken up to the idea of the TOON in Europe bolloxs has he, try telling that to the one’s that attended the Cardiff game. He is doing exactly what he said he would do via the Fans Forum meeting does not want any cups, does not want Europe as it would cost him more money all this selfish git wants is a mid tabled finish every season so that he can reap the rewards that Premierleague survival brings.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!!!!!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #27

    slank

    pardew brings a lot of people down with his joyless c..p but when you’ve spent 53 years following a team it’s a hard habit to shake no matter how painful.

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #28

    Geordie1

    I take it you don’t like our owner?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #29

    Geordie1

    I dont think Ashley will spend 60mil nor to I think he needs to and neither did any of our previous owners.

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  • sparky55

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #30

    TS@24

    Sorry but don’t agree.

    Who plays up top on the same line as Suarez, who plays up top with Welbeck, who plays up top with negredo?

    They all play 4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1 morphing into 3-4-3 and the man who plays in the hole switches between midfield and attack…we don’t.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #31

    pardews song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5vz6iwV38U

    there was 5 changes at the back, 1 new GK, 3 new defenders, 1 defender who was out of his normal position,

    who put this all together ?

    who decided that the first half we should just contain them ?

    who decided to bring on remy with 5 mins left??

    the guy is a total plonker, who only knows how to blame

    he has his loyal followers though, there called the plonkers too,, bilsson take a bow son

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  • Sazzer

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #32

    70TWO
    Why keep Gosling? He is never going to be more than decent.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #33

    sparky

    sturridge and suarez
    rooney and van persie
    soldado and adebeyor
    negredo and aguero

    all use two strikers when both fit

    We don’t play 442 either, very rare we do. We have been using remy up to alone or shola with remy off to the left.

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #34

    Rotonda,

    You must be the same old fart vintage as me as I started going to watch the matches back in the early 60s.

    I sometimes think I’m fortunate to have seen us win a major trophy in 69 but then I think of all the utter crap Newcastle teams before, during and after and also having to endure the absolute dump that was St James Park. Youngsters today have never lived and fortunate they are too!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #35

    sparrky

    i do accept that there is poor movement from us though , i genuienly do believe we struggle to do anything other than the rigid set up

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  • Slank

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #36

    Sazzer,

    Why indeed?

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  • sparky55

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #37

    TS

    Sorry but don’t agree…next time you see the graphics of the line ups pre match, take a look and see.

    …and you’ll also notice how they rotate at dropping deep.

    All modern football in the premiership is possession break football which is why it’s the fastest most dynamic football played on the planet and exactly why we’ll do SWFA in Brazil this year.

    We can argue this one all day but let’s catch up on Monday and take it up then

    cheers!

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  • martoon

    Jan 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #38

    Slank @34 – Yes I’m also of that era – St James Park was a sh*thole and you had to be desperate to go to the toilet then as it was practically an open sewer.

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  • Barton

    Jan 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #39

    Cashley sanctioned 4 signings?………..yer right and i have a third leg!!!

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #40

    I like de jong, he ‘s been unlucky at Moechengladbach because he really does ‘t suit their style of play and he got a raw deal as he replaced marco reus which at BMG is an impossible task!
    Hes got all the attributes to be the best dutch striker simce Van Basten though , ahead of vsn nistelrooy because he can contribute more than just goals! Hes really quick for a big guy too!He was most successful in a team that played wingers and put the ball into the box though and i’m not sure we do that at newcastle!

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