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French Star – I Am Enjoying Life At Newcastle

9:36 am, Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 108 Comments

21 year-old Massadio Haidara was signed last January from Nancy, in what could go down as one of Newcastle’s best transfer windows for a  long time, and already three of those signings – Moussa Sissoko, Mathieu Debuchy and Yoan Gouffran – are starters at the club with Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and Massadio both pushing hard for a starting position on Tyneside.,

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Massadio Haidara in action for Newcastle

And Massadio has said today he has been able to settle in very quickly on Tyneside since his arrival a year ago:

“It’s great to have senior players from your own country around you.” “To be in the same dressing room as Yohan Cabaye, Yoan Gouffran, Moussa Sissoko and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa has been a big help to me.”

“They have helped me settle in England.” “It is difficult when a player comes to England at first but, thanks to the players and the support of the fans, I am enjoying life at the club.”

Haidara is now pushing Italian left-back Davide Santon for the starting left-back position at the club, and he has been given playing time in the last few games by Alan Pardew, and he started at left back in the disastrous FA Cup tie against Cardiff City last Saturday.

The French U21 International can put in some beautiful left wing crosses, which he did on Saturday.

And since arriving at Newcastle, he has played 15 times for the Newcastle first team, and this lad has terrific potential to develop into a top class player for Newcastle in the future – and it’s the not too distant future too.

What do you think?

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108 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:40 AM

    Had to revert back to mobile site because of fkn videos

  • 2 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Haidara is now pushing Right winger Santon for the left back position.

  • 3 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Haidara can’t cross on his natural left foot

    Why are we complaining about haven’t fees? If the news is true and we were willing to offer £9m for Gomis, then what’s wrong with paying his agent £1m

    Agents manage players affairs off the field, investments etc the whole works, with the amount of money banded about for transfers these guys are bound to flourish, stop twisting and pay the fees if the players are good enough, if we don’t pay the agent fees someone else will

    We don’t like giving a lot in wages, we don’t like bidding more than £10m for a player and penny pinch on every transfer, we don’t
    Ike paying agents fees….there’s a pattern here!!

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:50 AM


    from previous

    Got to also consider though agents make money from having more players, so if it’s clear they just exploit them for cash they will get a bad name and have less sign up to them. So they may want to make money but also need to look out for the best player.

    I take if you know that though, must be interesting having a friend on that side of things.

  • 5 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    I just dont understand how a club can ne made to pay anything. An agents contract is with the player. I suppose the player can ask the club for his agents fee as part of the signing agreement, but it still seems strange.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:03 AM


    That’s it really. It’s part of the deal. Pay the selling club,. play and agent

  • 7 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    it should be the player who pays the agent as the player is his employee not the buying teams employee !

    i believe this is where gomis was held up before as the agent should be taking a (guess 17%) of a players signing on fee but agents have changed the rule and are blackmailing clubs to pay the agents directly as if the agent holds the players contract when in fact they dont.

    question is do we let agents do this to us and then maybe every agent in the future will attempt the same ?

    i’d love gomis esp as 2mil is a bargain hey even 3mil is a bargain “if it was paid to the contract holder”

  • 8 Santon03 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    If I buy a house from real estate agent, do I have to pay agent fee or the one who sell the house pay the agent fee?

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:07 AM


    but we can’t be the only one to stand up, has to come from fifa or eufa at least

    What will happen if you make the agent take a cut of the signing on fee then the player will just ask for a signing on fee to be higher and that will spread across the board.

    I dont mind the agents fees, providing they are good agents working for the player, as a lot are…not ones who force/push a lot of transfers to cash in

  • 10 Santon03 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    common knowledge is the person who hire the agent is the one who pay for the agent services.
    this is probably why last time the deal fell through, because NUFC don’t want to pay.

  • 11 Santon03 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:10 AM


    it depends on the team, some will pay some won’t.
    teams like city, chelsea, etc it’s peanut for them.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM


    true…and that’s why it wont change…the big/powerful clubs can afford it and will, also they have power to say to the player, stop this agent asking for 2mil or you wont sign and play for man utd, go somewhere else.

    For me football is crazy money, wages, transfer fees, tv money, ticket prices….agents just want their cut as well. They are no different to anyone else involved with football

  • 13 Wayayman // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Transfer Sage, totally agree. like I said, as a business it makes perfect sense. As a football fan it grates though… Who was it who said it’s impossible to run a football club like you would run a business? Whoever it was, they’re dead right.

    And although I know this bloke, he’s more of an acquaintance than a mate. Admittedly though it was interesting when i found out he got one of his young (non-first team) players a rise from £500/wk to £8K when he signed for us. He showed me a class picture on his phone of the lad and his entire family larging it up in some posh restaurant eating lobster and drinking champagne when he signed.
    Aaaanyway…. i’m not enjoying this time of year. All this speculation, being linked with every player in France, hundreds of websites pretending to be ITK, getting our hopes up that Shola might be off (instead of just off-side), fears of losing Krul, Cabaye, Colo off home too, waiting for the next bollock that JK drops. It’s all too much so roll on Feb 1st when we can slip back into disillusion again

  • 14 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    @9 ts

    completely agree with officials should get involved m8 not just for us but for everyone as things are way out of hand now ! look at bale ! with clubs spending like they do how fair is it to lower league clubs to keep the best players or sign better players when bully teams just snatch them.

    and i always thought signing on fee’s where part of a players contract ? it started out many many years ago that in a players contract “if they had one written it at all” they would get 5-10% of the signing fee as a signing on fee ! then somehow clubs bribed players to join them instead of others and offered players x amount direct to the player ! and now its the agents turn lol.

    we should just compensate the whole team where buying a player off as it disrupts team spirit and pay fee’s to the players parents for allowing them to be born >.<

  • 15 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Since telling the media that Luuk De Jong is our top transfer on Sunday evening I find it disturbing that we still haven’t made a formal offer for the lad, even though I think he’s pants!! We can only speak to the lad once a formal offer has been made

  • 16 Wayayman // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    The agent thing isn’t set in stone, just like any business people can (within the law) make things up as they go along. For example, I’m a photographer. I pay my agent 20% commission of any jobs they get me. If I’m doing a fashion shoot, the Model Agencies charge the clients 20% PUS they take 20% off the models too. That’s industry standard, but not law. ALL of the agencies do the same, they have an association they belong to who support this idea. THAT is the key, having a unified body behind you. For the football clubs to be able to change how things are they NEED FIFA to act. FIFA for some reason are trying to do the exact opposite, so the game will continue down the path of fuelling the greed. Players at the top and their agents will get richer, and football fans will continue to get priced out of their game. In another generation, the stadiums will be all like The Emirates where they’re mostly middle class one-song wonders, leaving 10 minutes before the end to make sure they get home in time for Downton Abbey.

  • 17 Wayayman // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    *PLUS not PUS! Almost a Freudian slip!

  • 18 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    @15 our toon

    so many things about luuk going around its hard to believe anything m8 !

    imo he will be great for us esp as i just found out his 13 apps last season equals 87mins of play ^^ no wonder his stats are rubbish if its true.

  • 19 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    We were the biggest beneficiaries in years gone by when it came to agent fees, we paid big money to get big named players, now we are tight fisted we complain about agent fees….yet we along with every other club have fuelled this over the years!!

    Agents serve a purpose to both the player and the club the player represents, clubs use players image rights without paying them for that service (exception Ronaldo & beckham) we can’t have it both ways!! Just pay them and get on with it

  • 20 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM


    I’m concerned about Luuk De Jong as he failed big time in Germany and wasn’t prolific in Holland, it seems as though we look to buy players who can play in multiple positions to suit Percy, probably because Percy won’t use players in there natural positions

    The excuses are already starting with Gomis as well, the dialogue has begun about agent fees, if media news is to be believed then his transfer will cost a total of £3m including agent fees!! Yet we were willing to bid £9m for the lad as just a transfer fee in the summer!! Smoke and mirrors

  • 21 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Wayayman that’s the exact boat i’ m in although agent fees for me are a little over 20%!
    I read the zlatan ibrahimovic book lately and really highlights the importance of agents to the players and was pretty screwed over when he signed for ajax

  • 22 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Our Toon

    On image rights…

    Surely if a club pays a signing fee to a player, then they have the right to use his image for any club-related matters (web site, club magazine, strip sales in the club shop et.c)? Anyone else who wants to use it has to sponsor the player.

  • 23 LEROI // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    This is a funny old one in the summer we were going to pay 8-10m with fees now we can do a deal for half that or maybe less and we’re still bloody quibbling over nowt ehhhh? Then on the other hand gomis is not at the top of the quality scale when it comes to available strikers is he? Then again i think we need 1 pretty sharpish like this month & 1 to fill remys spot when a champs league or bigger wage payer steals him off us in the summer. Hell if I’m totally honest we need 1 to replace cisse because even though he scored a scrappy lucky tap in the fa cup he’s still not the forward we need as our number 9.

  • 24 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    @20 our toon

    its always been hit or miss with strikers from holland so you could be right m8.

    just remember looking at him before in 2010 when he scored 1 in 2 games avg and in 2011 where it was almost 1 to 1-1/2 games ratio before his move.

    making the best out of us being linked by noticing he got subbed a hell of a lot mid way into games last season when he got 6 goals in 26 apps but a lot was 3/4 to half games then he was taken off or subbed on late.

    and this season where he gets 5 mins here and there as sub’s = 13 games but total game time of 85mins so theres no wonder he looks rubbish based on stats.

  • 25 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    They have to sell those last nine games, of course there’ll be complications…..

  • 26 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Any news or updates today?

  • 27 HullMag6 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Anyone else think Remy Cabella is more to replace Loic Remy than Cabaye?

    I’d agree on any move for Jordan Rhodes and Tom Ince. De Jong is younger than Gomis if we had to gamble on one of them then I’d take luuk, he may be able to find his form with us. Gomis = one possible last big pay cheque.

  • 28 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM


    Clubs can’t have it both ways is what I’m trying to say mate, just because the player plays for the club doesn’t mean he automatically becomes there marketing tool, in any other business this service is something that would be paid for

    Signing on fees are generally used for loyalty when it comes to existing players at the club, but generally the player feels he should be rewarded for signing to a club!! Clubs used to take advantage of players as agents were less prominent!! Now they can’t take liberties as agents are tough negotiators (bit like some praising MA when it comes to getting value in transfer market)

    The shoe is on the other foot and agents are good for players but not good for clubs unless players go off the rails!! Agents advise players on there careers, Gareth Bales agent told him to have 1 more year at spurs and he listened, did him the world of good!! The biggest worry clubs spending £85m on a Bale or £40m on an Ozil, forget agent fees

  • 29 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    @26 ben

    same links bud just moussa sow to add to them !

    no idea what to believe but i think not knowing or telling is they way to go about transfers…..i just dont trust them enough to do there jobs.

  • 30 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    @27 hull

    imo cabella is the perfect replacement for arfa/sissoko and shift goofy to the right as he looks far more effective on the left !

    plays like arfa but is not greedy and a great team player (just dont like the fact he dives a lot)

  • 31 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:04 AM


    Spot on mate, half price season tickets need to be sold and what better way than with empty promises!! How are we ever going to compete under Ashley if he refuses to pay £1m to an agent!!


    I think de Jong had 1 big season in the Dutch league before he was snapped up by BM, last season he started 24+ games scored 6 and got 2 assists

    Out of all the European leagues the The German league is closest to ours for style of play!! This season de Jong hasn’t had a look in but that should be a concern in itself, BM are playing very well yet this guy can’t get a game!!

    Jordan Rhodes has a fantastic record in the championship, Danny Ings has done well in the championship but these players have never played in the premier league, not many make that jump….Jermanie Beckford had a better record than both and he failed at Everton!! Rhodes for 2 or 3m yes but for 8/10m no thank you!!

  • 32 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Our Toon

    I see what you are saying and agree to most of it.
    I am also just assuming that, when you are paying a player, he is your employee and therefore, he has to fulfill his contractual agreements to recieve all of his wages. i would imagine that the club would write in clauses about marketing strips and appearing in match day programmes and such, and his final wage would be made up of these various things… like goal bonuses et.c.
    It is the agents job to make sure he gets these ‘extras’ for his player, and also to secure separate sponsorship deals for his boots and stuff. The player should be paying the agent per peanut if you like :D

  • 33 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Agreed Markaccus, the other thing to consider is that if a player has to pay the agent rather than the club then the signing on fee would rise dramatically!! The player will ask for an extra £1m and then give that to the agent!!

  • 34 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    @ourtoon – problem for De jong is he was brought by the chairman when the manager didn ‘t want him! The system BMG play, even Negredo or Giroud would not play! The manager doesnt’ believe in #9 strikers and instead plays 2 free role free roaming number 10′s who link up and become a 6 man midfield when they haven’t got the ball!
    They brought dejong to replace reus and expected him to do the same job!
    For me, i like de jong! Hes not the finished article but hes the attributes to be as good as Huntelaar! He works tirelessly, is 6’2, strong, good in the air and is particularly quick for his size! Hes an out n out #9 in the shearer mould! I wouldn’t judge his BMG form too closely, hes even played on the wing for them and we all remember cisse on the wing.. I really think it was just a case of bad decision and wrong club!

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    de jong is the prefect player to fit us and also fit pardew’s style.
    if we can get him in i would be very pleased

  • 36 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Our toon

    yeah, i suppose if the club just pays the agent it cuts out the middle man. Quicker all round.

  • 37 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Jay photo

    I was under the impression that de Jong is a midfielder/striker, at twente he would come off the wing and was rarely used as the #9 striker, the lad has always said himself that he prefers to come from wide or in a #10 position

    Huntelaar is a goal machine, his team play is pretty average but he’s a proper goal scorer, de Jong doesn’t look at this age as if he is that type of player!! Positionally I’d say de Jong is more like a young van Persie but is a million miles away when it comes to ability

  • 38 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM


    Similar to the way Barca play with 3 number 10′s?

  • 39 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Cabella looks impressive in a free role cutting in from the left , crossing from the right or being the playmaker down the middle.

    He’d be a class acquisition , maybe starting him off on the left wing until Cabaye buggers off

  • 40 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Got a feeling Pardew has his eye on a Gomis Dejong strike force next season though gomis has his heart set on Marseille.
    Think we’re going to be able to take Cabella too, that lad is a cross of HBA’s talent and Gouffrans work rate so fingers crossed!
    Think Tom Ince may be a possibility also!
    Can see Cabaye, Coloccini, HBA (only 18 months left of contract) marveaux, Obertan , shola all moving on in the summer and I can’t see us taking Remy for the fees being quoted as the longer that saga drags the less likely it is

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    just listening to the sunday supplement podcast from sky sports, they have been discussing andy carroll

    apparently although out injured he is incredibly fit and in the best shape of his life, which is a strange thing. Working with top specialists in belgium and holland.

    They were also saying that the injury he had involved jumping and was mainly common in ballet dancers, very rare for football.

    Not saying I want him here, but I want the lad fit and to do well, be good to see him back.

  • 42 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Is it worth buying Cabella when he is in the mould of HBA?
    Under Percy will we ever get the best out of the lad?
    Will he be demonised for not tracking back?

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    i’d use a midfield three of tiote, cabaye and cabella if we get him in, perfect combo or tacking, pace, beating a man and passing with a goal threat too.

  • 44 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    @markaccus – yeah kind of, except its only the 2 front players that are fluid, the midfield are quite rigid!
    Works well at home when the attack alot more but their away form is woeful!
    I like BMG a lot, got lots of family there, they are kind of the newcastle of germany! Mental fans and support! Great place to go watch a football game but the next fiasco is never far away with them

  • 45 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM


    I hate Sam Allerdyce and his brand of football, would love to see them go down but agree with you on AC though

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Our toon
    Cabella is not at all a mould of HBA
    He is an out and out number 10 with a fantastic range of passing and makes great runs off the CF
    HBA is a winger, always has been

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    our toon

    going off reports he works much harder and also if the owner is willing to invest, especially in technical players it would see thats the way he wants to go forward…so i think he would need to make sure that he got the best out of them or he might be the next upgrade

  • 48 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Aye think that’s exactly how we’d set up and exactly what we’ve been calling out for, that link between midfield and attack

  • 49 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    T sage

    It would not be the worst thing in the world if a fit and on for A.C. came back to Newcastle. I still say that no matter what system you play, it is important to have a player who is good in the air and is able to hold play up.

  • 50 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Wouldn’t touch carroll simply because it takes him an eternity to recover from injuries! Even when he was our player hed be out for 6 weeks where another player might miss 1 game with the same niggle!
    Have no doubts about his ability or his commitment on the pitch but got a few mural friends and im not sure his diet, lifestyle, drinking suits a top premier league footballer!
    Definately something amiss with this injury, his original comeback was meant to be september….

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:40 AM


    it wouldn’t be the worst thing if he was fully fit but still think there are better options.

    whatever he does i hope he does it well though

  • 52 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Carroll is on the best part of 90k per week no chance he’s ever coming back move on!

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM


    i personally wouldn’t sign him but some journo was saying when he saw him last month he was the fittest he had ever been and was working so hard to get right, think the penny has dropped

  • 54 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    Anyone remember when fans thought phil airey was meant to replace carroll in our side? Crazy!
    Question to everyone:
    If we go out and sign Cabella, Gomis and/or De Jong and Tom ince in jan and only lose obertan and marveaux, will peoples perceptions of kinnear and ashley shift slightly?

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Carroll = hoofball, constant injuries from lifestyle and stupid wages

    We are well shot of him and Nolan. Let West ham have the grief with Mr anti-football himself Sam Allardyce. Where are WHU by the way….!

  • 56 John Tudor // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    would yours

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM


    well currently i hold the view that ashley makes a lot of cock ups, mainly with PR, treatment of fans and appointment of people like llambias, kinnear and to an extent pardew with the other coaching staff at all levels.

    I think the man has done well to reduce ticket prices (even if it is to just sell more) and to upgrade training facilities. I think on transfers we buy and sell well we just don’t always do things at the right time and need to have a wider scouting network and back up plans to stop being left short. But the quality we bring in is great I feel and we get better year on year.

    I think those signings would be a huge boost and I think show we have more priorities than league survival or mid table mediocrity, But to convince everyone he needs to make positive moves like this in other areas too and more consistently.

  • 58 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    I would like to revert to the point made by Neil Cameron and indeed Transfer Sage ( yesterday) that we could have made a better fist of staying in the FA Cup – not least for financial reasons!

    Having now caught up on all things toon Saturday’s defeat by Cardiff is painful. Because whilst The PL is the priority on financial grounds we did not need to give up on the FA cup whilst arguably also getting the maximum financial return from our PL final placement

    The PL Season 2013-14 now has Merit Payments worth £1.2m per place in the final Premier League table. Simply, the team which finishes 20th receives £1.2m, the one in 19th £2.4m and so on up the table with the top club receiving £24m, that is, £1.2m multiplied by 20.

    For comparative purposes , last season the sum was £755,881.

    Taking a realistic view on NUFC’s likely final placement it is unlikely that we will finish any higher than sixth. Taking the negative view we should finish no lower than tenth. Though in football circumstances have been known to change.

    The point is that the difference between finishing 10th and sixth in financial terms is £4.8m. I do agree with Cameron and Sage that with no Europa we could have managed a morale boosting cup run as well.

  • 59 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:50 AM


    Doesn’t matter what Cabella does going forward IF he joins and that’s a big if then Percy will judge him on what he does defensively!! I find it pointless craving for such attacking talents when it’s clear to see we will be defensive

  • 60 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:50 AM


    The only way we will get any of them is if Ashley gets personally involved like last January. Could you honestly see JFK holding a coherent conversation with any foreign player and his people. He struggles with English.

    Then again would Pardew just ruin the likes of Cabella like Benny and Marveaux, with his total lack of any attacking / offensive coaching ability.

  • 61 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    @54 jay

    if we sign 2 top quality players (1 being a striker) i will have more faith in them (esp as we will have some sort of understanding on how ashley works with his jan bargain hunting buys then)

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM


    i don’t think it means it has to be hoofball…can be good wing play and carroll is ok with the ball in to feet, but i do agree we should look for better, more rounded players.

    by all accounts the lads lifestyle and professionalism has improve no end.

  • 63 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Luckily Cabella works his ass off defensively! Lad really notches up the miles! The coach at Montpellier up until this season is not a manager who allowed players to slack off defensively!
    Even players like Younes Belhanda and Giroud worked hard for the team! When they won the title they didn’t have the best team or best play but they were built around having the best athleticism and desire and work rate

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM


    I think we could have at least managed two rounds of the FA cup as the 3rd and 4th rounds are played on a weekend and due to a lot of prem league teams involved it’s usually a free week, so still get your weeks rest/training between games.

    Also are you sure on that 1.2mil figure? I agree it’s 1.2 mil per place but does 20th start on 1.2 or is there a base figure of more which then increased 1.2mil per place after? That’s what i thought, may be wrong.

    eg. start at 5mil and progress 1.2mil per place.

    All I remember is it comes from tv money. Apparently 50% of total tv money is split evenly between clubs. 25% is given in prize money as you say. the final 25% goes off total tv appearences…we should be quite high on the last one.

  • 65 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    I think me and TS are advocates for lodging a bid for Benteke, bid £10m n throw in Shola n Obertan!! Forget AC not worth perusing!!

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Our toon
    Don’t be silly, it’s completley different role!
    He expects wingers to drop back when the full backs over lap not sit on the laps for 90 mins
    We play with 2 holding midfielders and don’t have a natural number 10, in no way would a number 10 have to cover the FB’s, that’s just ridiculous
    Also you never mentioned Percy’s tactics you said the lad was a replica of HBA which is in no way even slightly true

  • 67 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM


    To be fair, WHU are not where they are because of Carrol, (well, maybe if he had played they would be better off). I also don’t subscribe to the A.C. = Hoofball theory. Yes he gives that option, but he has plenty of other attributes. I totally agree about his fitness issues, but if he has worked on that, as T sage suggests, then maybe he will become a more consistent player.

    I am not saying we should sign him, i am just saying that, while he is not the best option, he certainly isn’t the worst.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:59 AM


    I don’t even think the hoofball teams play with carroll is his fault, but a 6ft, 6” beanpole is always going to encourage the aerial route as players just get lazy.

    Rodgers knew exactly what he was doing. A modern passing, footballing manager offloading to a dinosaur in fat Sham. Sadly pardew in reality is much nearer to SA than BR on the spectrum.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:04 PM


    like i say i’d not sign him, think there are better for the fee, but i do think he has more ability than he gets credit for.

    our toon

    i’d go for benteke definitely….gone off the boil a bit, looks like he is sick of doing it all himself, think he’d welcome a move to us, would really help him get a big role for begium…especially with other forwards currently doing better and playing in better teams.

  • 70 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM


    At no point did I say Cabella will be covering FBs you’ve made an assumption, Cabella can be played on the wing as well as in the hole, much like HBA!!

    Percy prefers 442, so where would Cabella fit into that formation? The fact remains that we’ve managed to destroyed 2 out of the 3 creative players we have by playing defensive football!!

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    our toon

    i think pardew uses 433 more than 442, over the last 18 months.

  • 72 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    To get the best out of creative players we need a change in management….someone who understands creative players not someone who reverts to hoofball when losing!!

  • 73 Wayayman // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    The saddest thing is that the young lads who should be progressing seem to be fantastic at U18-U21 level then just go backwards. That’s been happening for years now. Why Ashley doesnt see it and invest in a TOP youth coaching set-up is beyond me. Great coaches can really up a good players game, while bad coaches can ruin them. It’s not rocket science but while we’re being run by ‘old school’ coaches, we’re not going to progress. Look at Southampton for the best example of how the best youth set-up will affect the first team. Granted, the owner would need to have some long-term vision, and Ashley will never have that. He doesn’t have it in business either.

  • 74 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM


    He’s only changed that because we have 3 strikers at the club, otherwise 442 he’d play

  • 75 jayphoto // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    We knock Pardew but today Juventus have come out and made comments about ‘big clubs’ looking at their plsyers ! Juventus!!’ In my mind its hard to find much bigger than that bar 1 or 2 teams!
    Really does all come down to money these days, Juventus are a much bigger club than PSG, Man city, monaco and chelsea but even they worry they can’t hold onto players when money comes knocking!
    They are concerned that PSG will take Pogba, if they can’t hold onto him what chance do we have if PSG come knocking for cabaye

  • 76 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    @70 our toon

    i’m with you on pards playing 4-4-2 with cabella on the left wing for some of the season as we need a few different formations i think we can all prob agree on that.

    imo if its arfa/marv you are talking about being spoilt by pards i would have to disagree though tbh for different reasons but one they have in common is “team players” both are selfish and only want to do what they want to do which is fine when it works and we all praise them when it does but if i would compare goofy who’s not as exciting but is far far more effective defensively aswell as attacking because he plays for the team and not himself and i believe cabella is a team player.

  • 77 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Our toon
    It’s an assumption based on your critism of the work he expects HBA to do, which is as a winger, which is his role, he’s never been played as a number 10 except in the odd game here
    Cabella may well be able to fill in on the wings, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s an out and out number 10
    The 442 is deployed because we don’t have a natural number 10

    As for ruining Marveux, the bloke has only every shown flashes and has spent most of his time here on the injury bench, no one has seen enough of him here to judge where he is or was

  • 78 lesh // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    If Kinnear fails to get Gomis,that’s one of the rumoured four signings done for. De Jong’s club prefer to sell? That’s another target gone.

    Two more failures, and jib done, again the excuse being that we tried but circumstances beyond Kinnear’s control frustrated the deals.

    Well, if Kinnear’s job entails making a dogs breakfast of things, I’m in for it when he chucks it!

    Another no-spend window on the horizon?

  • 79 DURhamTOON // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Lads take a look at this link… Says Saylor is a Cardiff target, if he went would anyone be too upset? I think with the squad we have he is 4th choice at the moment in his preferred position and to be totally honest I think if an offer came in he should be let go. Thoughts anyone??

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    Like all proffessions, if there is a shortage of labour the price goes up and vice versa, top coaches as in top surgeons etc are a valuable commodity and therefore have to pay top dollar to get them, hence we have an antiquated staff who merely have qualifications.

  • 81 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Would i be upset? In a word……
    Staylor must be one of the clubs high earners and we rarely see 12-15 games from him over the last four years, much rather bring in another CB

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM


    I think we do need to get much better coaching into the club, especially for kids. Some areas are good, working with keepers but that’s it really.

    I have seen that the club do a lot for kids, have a relative (not close, through a second cousin) who is 8 and plays for the academy and they put a £50 taxi on for him and his parents to get to games which is good.

    Also we are building a new academy after upgradding it before as well, so there is some long term planning…we do bring in some players around 15/16 to develop too so must be some long term planning.

  • 83 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM


    on marv. totally agree. A few on here keep saying he is one of our most gifted players. Yet even when he has been playing, he makes more errors than he does useful things. He is even more erratic than HBA, who is another player i am starting to go off. He is better than Marv but just doesn’t seem to be producing enough of his good side to warrant his place. I think Pardew was right to drop him from the starting lineup

  • 84 Graeme // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Durham, It would probably work out well for Saylor in that he will get games for Cardiff; It may also help him moving away from NUFC after 10+ years, get him out of his comfort zone and exposure to a completely different set-up.

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM


    but look at klopp…huge manager in world football, main manager and on only £30k a week….so surely we could get a few academy coaches in for a reasonable and quite small expense

  • 86 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    I wouldn’t miss Steven ‘Angel of the North’ Taylor. He is a liability. Has never learned from his mistakes so keeps making the same ones.

  • 87 lesh // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Our Toon…… Allardyce out?

    Hey, Catchy how about it, sounds good….. Allardyce out, makes a change eh?

    It might even catch on!

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:35 PM


    but marv did get the most assists from playing a fraction of minutes on the pitch to some others.

  • 89 mag // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    It doesn’t matter who signs the plodder will still be here with his iffy decision making and general dodgy tactics picked up in the lower leagues where he plied his trade miserably.

  • 90 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    I think a few are missing the point I’m trying to make here, Marv and HBA yes they have there faults but last season Marv was leading assist chart for us and HBA has scored 3 and got 6 assists this season in 9 starts (that’s him not playing well apparently)

    The point I’m making is that we stifle creative thinkers in the team to accommodate grafters, we don’t play to the strengths of any creative players!! Marv is decent but at no point have we changed our style to suit his play and the only time we did change for Benny was when we finished 5th and played attacking football!! Cisse flourished as well

    My gripe is that we can ask for geniuses on the ball, creative players etc but as long as our tactics are sit back to soak up pressure and then nick a goal these players will simply fail!!

  • 91 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    12/18mths from now we will be on here slating the likes of Cabella if he does sign, slating him because he doesn’t fit into Percy’s brand of football, Marv, HBA, Cisse etc haven’t just become bad players over night!!

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:44 PM


    for those who don’t like pardew got to think us signing better players is still a good thing. It shows the owner has grander ambitions than just mid table (if they arrive as expected) and that means Pardew will have to get the best from them.

  • 93 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    T sage

    All that proves to me is that all these statistics prove NOTHING! :D

    How many times per assist did he lose the ball, miss a tackle, cost us a goal et.c. Stats can be used to prove owt you want lol

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    our toon

    if we are complaining in 18months about cabella, hba and others not settling there is a good chance pardew will be out of a job…ashley wont spend that kind of money and take not getting results

  • 95 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    HBA And cisse have not become bad overnight, i agree.

    However i NEVER rated Marv. like i say he always seemed to do more bad than good. Even if a stats charts shows highest assists, id like to see the rest of his contribution stats.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:49 PM


    stats are useful if analysed properly and you use complete stats too….there is more to the game than just assists/goals I agree but the question has to be asked why can’t we accomodate the likes of marv and hba? why can’t the manager motivate them to play the way he wants, or adapt slightly to allow others to cover their weaknesses as their strengths are very valuable too.

    I’m not saying marv is the answer, but whats the lad done to fall behind obertan? hardly like he works hard either.

  • 97 mag // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Plodder likes the direct football that all the limited managers play just like Big Sam, that’s the way they were as players. Plodder has never had a squad of technically gifted internationals and it shows, give him an Andy Carroll or a Lambert he’s in his element, the problem comes when he has forwards like Remy and Cisse who like the ball played through the midfield quick counter attacking football.

  • 98 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Obertan apparently walked out against Arsenal after he wasn’t on the bench, yet pards has played him against Cardiff ahead of Marv and Sammy….what does that say to the team?

  • 99 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    well…this transfer window looks promising.. i do hope we sign cabella, striker like sow/ de jong..& 1 british players…long?

    i am surprised tho..when people on here “dream” about signings & then write their starting lineups if we sign this and that.. everyone is putting HBA in their 11..while goufrann is left out.. especially cos yohan is probably our best player for the past 12 months..hes not as skillful as HBA, but hes better at everything else..

    anyway..i hope we get rid off dead wood – obertan, gosling, jonas, shola (in summer), marveaux (good player, but if pardew doesnt want to play him, just sell him..for everyones sake), cisse.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM


    thats what i cant understand. We seem determined to buy mainly technical players yet we hire an more traditional/old school manager.

    I accept some people’s points that pardew goes along with club PR and doesn’t great a fuss, but surely that average type of manager exists but with a technical style.

  • 101 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    T sage

    Yeah i agree you need to use complete lists of stats to analyse them correctly. Sometimes a player can just lose form, and it can be nothing to do with the manager. Would people blame Jose for Torres’ form? What about blaming Rooneys lapses on Fergie? I personally think HBA and Marv are responsible for not producing enough themselves. They are generally deployed in attacking roles when they are played (ok marv is missing now) and while they should be given some free reign, they need to do a bit more for the team too. HBA is lazy. Something Shola gets blasted for all the time. Marv could create 1 goal, then be utterly ineffective for the rest of the game.

    Cisse was partly Pardews fault, i will admit that. The whole Ba playing central for him to feck off anyway debacle has to be attributed to some mis management.

  • 102 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    T sage

    Yeah i agree you need to use complete lists of stats to analyse them correctly. Sometimes a player can just lose form, and it can be nothing to do with the manager. Would people blame Jose for Torres’ form? What about blaming Rooneys lapses on Fergie? I personally think HBA and Marv are responsible for not producing enough themselves. They are generally deployed in attacking roles when they are played (ok marv is missing now) and while they should be given some free reign, they need to do a bit more for the team too. HBA is lazy. Something Shola gets blasted for all the time. Marv could create 1 goal, then be utterly ineffective for the rest of the game.

    Cisse was partly Pardews fault, i will admit that. The whole Ba playing central for him to eff off anyway debacle has to be attributed to some mis management.

  • 103 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    The more an agent takes for himself, the less available to the player. Players need to wise up. It’s good that mikey drives a hard bargain.

  • 104 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    Lads has anyone seen Nakamuras latest party piece it’s impressive

  • 105 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    So, anybody still believe in that 4 players in story? which started 1 day after our Cup elimination

  • 106 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Liverpool must be laughing at us for we apparently managed to sneaked Marveaux from them at the very last minute.

  • 107 mag // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    With this regime anything is possible when it comes to new signings. Another striker the young defender Dekoke and who knows about the other two it could depend on who leaves.

  • 108 70TWO // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    The chat about using technical players makes me wonder, again, what they actually do during in training. Even if Pardew isn’t a ‘technical’ manager preferring defensive survival and ‘fluke’ goals, he would be able to see the qualities of players during training. IMO accordingly coaching should involve making use of players skills and incorporating it into game play. Perhaps this is where the problem lies, as they are being drilled with the Pardew way of playing by coaches that are all of the same mentality.

    I remember once seeing on a clip, an interpreter in the changing room who was whilst translating Pardews words having a bit of a giggle with the French lads. The face on Pardew was like thunder as he probably thought he had another wanna be Mourinho. But it illustrates the rigidness of his thinking.

    Benteke – would love to see him at SJP and would be a good opportunity to bid, but at about £20M I doubt it.

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