It’s 91 Years Since This Last Happened To Newcastle


Sunderland are in the fourth round of the FA Cup, and have what looks to be an easy tie in the next round at home to Peterborough United or Kidderminster Harriers.

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Alan Pardew – mounting pressure not to lose next game against Sunderland

And they are also in the Capital One Cup semi-final against Manchester United, and the first leg of that the two-legged semi-final game takes place tonight at the Stadium of Light.

So if that’s all you knew about Sunderland you may even think they were doing well, but they are also rock bottom of the Premier League.

And it’s interesting that the two bottom clubs just  happened to have made it to the semi-finals of the League Cup (Capital One Cup), with struggling West Ham also set to play Manchester City in the semi-final, and their first leg  is tomorrow night.

It seems that clubs fighting relegation for some reason seem to do well in the local cup competitions these days, maybe because the manager is trying to save his job by winning as many games as he can.

And Wigan won the FA Cup last year and were relegated, and Birmingham won the League Cup in 2011 and were also  relegated, and those sides represented England as one of the three clubs in the Europa League.

Sunderland won only seven games in the league in all of 2013, and two of those were against Newcastle, and when they won 3-0 at St. James’ P in late April, they hadn’t won for the previous nine games, and in fact had taken only 3 points from those games.

But they still won 3-0 away, and then this season they beat us 2-1 at the Stadium of Light, and in their previous eight league games they had only one point and were at the bottom of the league table – which they still are.

I can just hear it now from Sunderland fans – if only they could play Newcastle every week. 😀

That was the first time since 1967 that Newcastle have lost successive games to Sunderland, and if heaven forbid we lose again in the next game in early February, that will be the first time since 1923 – the year my late father and mother were born – and that’s 91 years ago. 🙁

Alan Pardew will be under some extreme pressure in that game, and his FA Cup record at Newcastle is abysmal, and his recent record against Sunderland is also abysmal – and those games are important to Newcastle fans – in case Alan didn’t already know that.

But before we play Sunderland again, they  will have played three more games than Newcastle –   the two-legged semi-final in the League Cup and the 4th round of the FA Cup – and that’s   six games compared to Newcastle’s three games – all in a short 26 days.

But given the way the last two games have gone, we’re not sure even that will be an advantage to Newcastle.

What do you think?

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427 comments so far

  • Ben3arfa

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #1

    depressing and unnecessary stat Ed

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  • Dennis Twice

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #2

    1st?

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  • Dennis Twice

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #3

    No sorry

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #4

    Sparky

    Cabaye wasn’t treacherous in the summer!! Let’s rewind back to when he joined, Cabaye said that he joined us because Percy guaranteed him that we will play a passing game and attacking football, needless to say the guy was disillusioned by a club that lacked ambition on the pitch and off the pitch

    We went back on our promises to Cabaye with defensive hoofball I think he is right in wanting a move!! Our ambition is stay in the league with cups being a distraction

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  • sparky55

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #5

    our toon @ 4

    treacherous in refusing to play for us.

    I completely understand why he wanted to leave but refusing to play for us was well out of order and completely un-professional

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #6

    Got to take each window as it comes….if we do well thins window it doesn’t mean we will sell next. Cabaye might leave but for whatever reason only arsenal seem interested yet wont part with half the cash we want.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #7

    i mean in the prem league….there was previous interest from roma and psg

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  • Tsunki

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #8

    Not saying you can fake a knee injury but Colo conveniently out in Jan again, missing the derby again too. 🙁

    On that subject, will Pardew add another record and field another loss to the unscrubbed? I hope not Alan, I’ve been warming to you of late in the league, but I feel the first rumblings of confidence from the land of the weary.

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  • sparky55

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #9

    TS

    They’ll be plenty suitors once he’s played in the world cup.

    Man U, PSG, and Monaco are all in the hat for him.

    I think Man U might surprise us…he’s just what they need

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #10

    sparky

    agree man utd need a player like him but he never seems to be tipped as a player for big clubs for some reason, more than capable though.

    he might do but a lot can happen with injury and form between now and world cup, he didn’t do a lot in the euros as france fell apart…could easily happen again

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  • cyprus

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #11

    Our toon,
    Where did you read about Pardew’s guarantee you mention?
    Cabs wants out, don’t go falling for him. Choose HBA if you must 😉

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  • cyprus

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #12

    This is what I found that he said when he joined:

    “”This is a fantastic move for me,” Cabaye said.
    “I have enjoyed great times with Lille but the time is right now to test myself against the best and playing for Newcastle United in the Premier League does just that.
    “My first impressions of the club and the city are that it is a lovely place and the stadium is magnificent.”

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  • martoon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #13

    It is ridiculous to call a player treacherous. At the end of the day they are employees and if a better offer comes along that suits their personal needs then of course they will take it – just the same as you or I would. We don’t know what went on behind the scenes as to exactly why Cabaye didn’t play but I don’t remember him being fined which would seem to suggest it wasn’t all one sided.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #14

    martoon

    Also Pardew said that cabaye wasn’t in the right frame of mind…he never said he has refused to play. It was a very strange situation.

    I don’t think we will ever know the truth as both us and cabaye will spin the story so they look the victim.

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #15

    Cabs mentioned his chat with pards will try to find you a link Cyprus

    Sparky

    The club say he refused to play, Cabaye recently said only JFK knows the truth as to what happened, I think it’s pretty obvious that we tried to flog him, offered him out and there were no takers!! Arsenal bid of £10m was something we made public on the day of the game (Monday) bid was actually submitted on the Friday, we leaked that to start a bidding war!! We protected our commodity by not playing him…in turn this was dressed up as him refusing to play!!

    How many times are these muppets gonna lie to you for it to finally sink in?

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  • Troy Stavers

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #16

    It all depends on injuries whether we will beat the Mackems.
    We’ve done remarkably well so far this season up until injuries to crucial players have hit.

    The season we finished 5th was a season which saw the Physio twiddling his thumbs.

    We 13 or 14 strong players but beyond that we are very poor.

    We should be far too strong for the Mackems if we get those key players back. Let’s hope so!

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  • Troy Stavers

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #17

    I’ll be gutted if Cabaye is sold. I get so many lasses mistaking me for him.

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  • MadisonToon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #20

    Regarding the transfers this month: I think we’re being linked with a number of these players because we need to balance out our home-grown numbers. If a couple of the players that many people would like to see leave actually do leave (Shola, Obertan, Gosling, etc.) then we’ll be a short of the home-grown rule. If we can actually get players who are home-grown and are able to make a contribution to the first team (even as a consistent bench player or someone who sees the last 30 mins every now and then) then I think that’s something Newcastle should be interested in.

    We can’t keep targeting only non-English players without balancing it out by moving one of our current foreign players on. This is unlikely to be the only reason we’re looking at a few of these players, but could explain a bit of why we’re looking at a few who may not be ‘upgrades’ so to speak. They may be a significant upgrade to the home-grown player they are replacing, just not a huge upgrade in our starting eleven.

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  • wynsleap

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Comment #21

    Pardew’s cup record with the Toon is abysmal.
    So is his record against Sunderland.
    If you add his constant lying and backtracking on comments to the media, his mouthpiece utterings on behalf of Ashley and his brush with relegation last season, the question has to be asked:
    Why is he still here?

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  • cyprus

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

    Comment #22

    Thanks OurToon.
    Don’t quite see the ‘sexy football’ quote but I get the drift. In my mind, Cabs is also culpable for our football. Last year he lost the MF so many times to ‘lesser’ opponents. He has an occasional good shot, can occasionally find a good pass, but he is below the ‘next level’ of Fabregas, Nasri, Ramsey etc. I’m afraid.

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  • Ciaran

    Jan 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #23

    From Fan’s Forum last night.

    CF: “Does the club expect or hope to strengthen in January?”

    The board explained its view was that the current squad is stronger than it has been for some time. It was stated that if the right player became available for the right price, perhaps the club would bring someone into the squad. If not, it would not add to it.

    Doesn’t seem to convey the impression that we are going to sign 4 players this transfer window does it? Could be smoke and mirrors though…

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  • lesh

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Comment #24

    Sharon, I think you’re spot on with the view that we’re repeating the same pantomime every fkng window.

    Why do they bother or could these charades have anything to do with flogging unsold season tickets?

    Nah, only a cynic would do that or even think.of it!

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  • Ciaran

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    Comment #25

    Letch

    Anyone who approaches their support of NUFC with an air of cynicism can surely be forgiven though.

    Interesting that Jail for Ashley said that the day after it was said ‘Ashley going to sanction 4 signings’ there was a 9-match ‘discount’ offer.

    Even if you discounted the football side of things, or acknowledge that we’re progressing on the pitch (I disagree with this point of view mind) – Ashley just conveys the approach that he is all about the money, and any potentially good news that comes from the club is just another ploy to make us part with our money.

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  • DokToon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #26

    good morning all,

    interesting that it was said, “if the right player became available for the right price, perhaps the club would bring someone into the squad. If not, it would not add to it.

    now where have i heard that before???

    if there’s a beer at the right price, ill drink it, if not, i will not add to the beer already in my system…. ffs, im starting to agree with ciaran, and need to see some ambition lol

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #27

    1 – nobody should believe a word the gobsh**e Redknapp (the elder) says. I don’t care if he comes across as a salt of the earth ‘one of the lads’, he’s as shifty as they come
    2 – believing all that you read on fans’ sites is dangerous as they tend to be written by the more passionate fans. Meaning that they are quite often heavily biased one way or the other.

    It was simpler when football was run by working class blokes who were good at organising things because they could relate to the working class blokes in the stands. Now football is run by rich middle class blokes in a very different way. It seems many of our fans are incapable of understanding the way a modern football club runs and sadly we also have an owner who appears incapable of understanding how an old-fashioned football fan thinks.

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  • beddersmag

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    Comment #28

    ciaran

    come on mate has to be progression on the pitch this season surely?

    our toon

    dont forget part of the reason wby we played hoofball was that the midfield didnt show for the ball enough. cabaye at times looked disinterested and unfit. and thats not to mention tiote or jonas who were unable to keep the ball, marveux similar. its not like pards told them to play 4% more long balls more than the average today- its circumstances on the pitch which dictate long ball (also going behind is more likely to produce long ball from panic and we did a lot of that last season)

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #29

    DokToon

    The problem is that the club doesn’t talk in ‘football fan language’. Plenty of managers have come out in the last few weeks and said that either they won’t be signing anyone or it will be difficult. Both Mourinho and Moyes have I believe and their fans will both say that they need players (Chelsea a top striker – like Lukaku…and Moyes a creative midfielder at the very least).

    You shouldn’t get dragged down into the negativity of it all. As we only got promoted a few years ago, there is no reason whatsoever to think we have some kind of right to finish high up the table. Everything tells me that we should finish in 8th this season and that would be a good job.

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  • Ciaran

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #30

    Dok

    You feel and think however you want to feel and think and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Now do as I say 😉

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #31

    We know that the club needs to look for deals. I know fans want signings but if we’d signed all of the players that the fans wanted for the fees that the fans wanted then we’d either have a lot fewer players or a hell of a lot more debt.

    I know we’ve lost the last 3 games and we’ve now got some injuries but even 1 or 2 signings this Jan would be good news and we’re still well placed in the league.

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  • kt97toonarmy

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #32

    Couldnt face us getting beat off the mackams for 3rd succsessive time. FFS. Anyway i think if we get 4 signings it will improve us. But defo think 2 strikers will b great.

    Ill b honest. Ive never heard of cabella. Nd the idea of loaning him back is actully depressing.

    De jong im not sure about him like. Interesting fact for those who like statistics but he hasent had a shot on target all season.

    This link i found is typical newcastle in the transfer market

    http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/lyon/transfer-talk/news/gomis-to-newcastle-move-hits-snag_128904.html

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  • Ciaran

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #33

    Kt97

    I was very keen on Luuk de Jong in the summer, but I find it worrying that he has flopped pretty spectacularly in the Bundesliga – even Cisse could score in that league!

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #34

    Thomas Rincon Anyone?

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  • DokToon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #35

    tds… i see what your saying, but we are NUFC, it should be a right, a passion to do as best we can… im starting to see failings in the system is all… i will adore our club til im dead, but ffs, id like to see an effort to upgrade and progress is all…

    ciaran, do as you say? ok ill go have a drink 🙂

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  • Ciaran

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #36

    Dok

    That would be doing as I do 😛

    How have you been anyway? Everything good your side of the pond?

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  • Novocastrian66

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #37

    DeJong has to be an upgrade on Shola, hasn’t he?

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #38

    Beggarsmag

    We played long ball football last season right from the off, you can dress it up as players out of form etc but even with out of form players the philosophy of the type of football shouldn’t change!! Example whenever we are losing in games now we revert back to hoofball (yet we’ve only won 1 game coming from behind this season against 9man Stoke) Cisse upfront certainly didn’t enjoy 70 or 80 yard lumps towards his head….the main reason we played hoofball was down to pards not having the time to work on a game plan, the EL showed that tactically this guy needs at least 5 days to prepare a team!! I’ve said this before but every time Williamson lumps the ball forward (this season) you’ll here a daft shout from pards saying good ball!! Players looked disinterested because of the shite we played

    Cyprus – not many midfielders on par with Fabregas and Ramsey has only had a decent half season mate, arsenal fans were crying out for him to be sold in the summer, Nasri is not a central midfielder

    If we play attacking football with players making attacking runs then maybe we will see the best out of Cabaye, same with HBA!! As I’ve said creative players are fighting a losing battle in a team that plays defensive football

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  • Ben3arfa

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #39

    Any updates from todays meeting with Montpellier reps? Did that old busturd JOKE turn up to the meeting drunk?

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  • DokToon

    Jan 7, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #40

    ciaran, alls well here, a bit of a cold front though here… was 23 degrees F when i got up fo rwork this morning….

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