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It’s 91 Years Since This Last Happened To Newcastle

2:14 pm, Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 427 Comments

Sunderland are in the fourth round of the FA Cup, and have what looks to be an easy tie in the next round at home to Peterborough United or Kidderminster Harriers.

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Alan Pardew – mounting pressure not to lose next game against Sunderland

And they are also in the Capital One Cup semi-final against Manchester United, and the first leg of that the two-legged semi-final game takes place tonight at the Stadium of Light.

So if that’s all you knew about Sunderland you may even think they were doing well, but they are also rock bottom of the Premier League.

And it’s interesting that the two bottom clubs just  happened to have made it to the semi-finals of the League Cup (Capital One Cup), with struggling West Ham also set to play Manchester City in the semi-final, and their first leg  is tomorrow night.

It seems that clubs fighting relegation for some reason seem to do well in the local cup competitions these days, maybe because the manager is trying to save his job by winning as many games as he can.

And Wigan won the FA Cup last year and were relegated, and Birmingham won the League Cup in 2011 and were also  relegated, and those sides represented England as one of the three clubs in the Europa League.

Sunderland won only seven games in the league in all of 2013, and two of those were against Newcastle, and when they won 3-0 at St. James’ P in late April, they hadn’t won for the previous nine games, and in fact had taken only 3 points from those games.

But they still won 3-0 away, and then this season they beat us 2-1 at the Stadium of Light, and in their previous eight league games they had only one point and were at the bottom of the league table – which they still are.

I can just hear it now from Sunderland fans – if only they could play Newcastle every week. :D

That was the first time since 1967 that Newcastle have lost successive games to Sunderland, and if heaven forbid we lose again in the next game in early February, that will be the first time since 1923 – the year my late father and mother were born – and that’s 91 years ago. :(

Alan Pardew will be under some extreme pressure in that game, and his FA Cup record at Newcastle is abysmal, and his recent record against Sunderland is also abysmal – and those games are important to Newcastle fans – in case Alan didn’t already know that.

But before we play Sunderland again, they  will have played three more games than Newcastle –   the two-legged semi-final in the League Cup and the 4th round of the FA Cup – and that’s   six games compared to Newcastle’s three games – all in a short 26 days.

But given the way the last two games have gone, we’re not sure even that will be an advantage to Newcastle.

What do you think?

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427 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    depressing and unnecessary stat Ed

  • 2 Dennis Twice // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    1st?

  • 3 Dennis Twice // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    No sorry

  • 4 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Sparky

    Cabaye wasn’t treacherous in the summer!! Let’s rewind back to when he joined, Cabaye said that he joined us because Percy guaranteed him that we will play a passing game and attacking football, needless to say the guy was disillusioned by a club that lacked ambition on the pitch and off the pitch

    We went back on our promises to Cabaye with defensive hoofball I think he is right in wanting a move!! Our ambition is stay in the league with cups being a distraction

  • 5 sparky55 // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    our toon @ 4

    treacherous in refusing to play for us.

    I completely understand why he wanted to leave but refusing to play for us was well out of order and completely un-professional

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    Got to take each window as it comes….if we do well thins window it doesn’t mean we will sell next. Cabaye might leave but for whatever reason only arsenal seem interested yet wont part with half the cash we want.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    i mean in the prem league….there was previous interest from roma and psg

  • 8 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Not saying you can fake a knee injury but Colo conveniently out in Jan again, missing the derby again too. :(

    On that subject, will Pardew add another record and field another loss to the unscrubbed? I hope not Alan, I’ve been warming to you of late in the league, but I feel the first rumblings of confidence from the land of the weary.

  • 9 sparky55 // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    TS

    They’ll be plenty suitors once he’s played in the world cup.

    Man U, PSG, and Monaco are all in the hat for him.

    I think Man U might surprise us…he’s just what they need

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    sparky

    agree man utd need a player like him but he never seems to be tipped as a player for big clubs for some reason, more than capable though.

    he might do but a lot can happen with injury and form between now and world cup, he didn’t do a lot in the euros as france fell apart…could easily happen again

  • 11 cyprus // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    Our toon,
    Where did you read about Pardew’s guarantee you mention?
    Cabs wants out, don’t go falling for him. Choose HBA if you must ;)

  • 12 cyprus // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    This is what I found that he said when he joined:

    “”This is a fantastic move for me,” Cabaye said.
    “I have enjoyed great times with Lille but the time is right now to test myself against the best and playing for Newcastle United in the Premier League does just that.
    “My first impressions of the club and the city are that it is a lovely place and the stadium is magnificent.”

  • 13 martoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    It is ridiculous to call a player treacherous. At the end of the day they are employees and if a better offer comes along that suits their personal needs then of course they will take it – just the same as you or I would. We don’t know what went on behind the scenes as to exactly why Cabaye didn’t play but I don’t remember him being fined which would seem to suggest it wasn’t all one sided.

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    martoon

    Also Pardew said that cabaye wasn’t in the right frame of mind…he never said he has refused to play. It was a very strange situation.

    I don’t think we will ever know the truth as both us and cabaye will spin the story so they look the victim.

  • 15 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    Cabs mentioned his chat with pards will try to find you a link Cyprus

    Sparky

    The club say he refused to play, Cabaye recently said only JFK knows the truth as to what happened, I think it’s pretty obvious that we tried to flog him, offered him out and there were no takers!! Arsenal bid of £10m was something we made public on the day of the game (Monday) bid was actually submitted on the Friday, we leaked that to start a bidding war!! We protected our commodity by not playing him…in turn this was dressed up as him refusing to play!!

    How many times are these muppets gonna lie to you for it to finally sink in?

  • 16 Troy Stavers // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    It all depends on injuries whether we will beat the Mackems.
    We’ve done remarkably well so far this season up until injuries to crucial players have hit.

    The season we finished 5th was a season which saw the Physio twiddling his thumbs.

    We 13 or 14 strong players but beyond that we are very poor.

    We should be far too strong for the Mackems if we get those key players back. Let’s hope so!

  • 17 Troy Stavers // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    I’ll be gutted if Cabaye is sold. I get so many lasses mistaking me for him.

  • 18 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    https://www.nufcblog.com/2011/06/11/i-didn’t-hesitate-for-a-second-to-join-legendary-newcastle/

  • 19 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    https://www.nufcblog.com/2011/06/13/yohan-cabaye-assured-of-more-signings/

  • 20 MadisonToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Regarding the transfers this month: I think we’re being linked with a number of these players because we need to balance out our home-grown numbers. If a couple of the players that many people would like to see leave actually do leave (Shola, Obertan, Gosling, etc.) then we’ll be a short of the home-grown rule. If we can actually get players who are home-grown and are able to make a contribution to the first team (even as a consistent bench player or someone who sees the last 30 mins every now and then) then I think that’s something Newcastle should be interested in.

    We can’t keep targeting only non-English players without balancing it out by moving one of our current foreign players on. This is unlikely to be the only reason we’re looking at a few of these players, but could explain a bit of why we’re looking at a few who may not be ‘upgrades’ so to speak. They may be a significant upgrade to the home-grown player they are replacing, just not a huge upgrade in our starting eleven.

  • 21 wynsleap // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Pardew’s cup record with the Toon is abysmal.
    So is his record against Sunderland.
    If you add his constant lying and backtracking on comments to the media, his mouthpiece utterings on behalf of Ashley and his brush with relegation last season, the question has to be asked:
    Why is he still here?

  • 22 cyprus // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

    Thanks OurToon.
    Don’t quite see the ‘sexy football’ quote but I get the drift. In my mind, Cabs is also culpable for our football. Last year he lost the MF so many times to ‘lesser’ opponents. He has an occasional good shot, can occasionally find a good pass, but he is below the ‘next level’ of Fabregas, Nasri, Ramsey etc. I’m afraid.

  • 23 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    From Fan’s Forum last night.

    CF: “Does the club expect or hope to strengthen in January?”

    The board explained its view was that the current squad is stronger than it has been for some time. It was stated that if the right player became available for the right price, perhaps the club would bring someone into the squad. If not, it would not add to it.

    Doesn’t seem to convey the impression that we are going to sign 4 players this transfer window does it? Could be smoke and mirrors though…

  • 24 lesh // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Sharon, I think you’re spot on with the view that we’re repeating the same pantomime every fkng window.

    Why do they bother or could these charades have anything to do with flogging unsold season tickets?

    Nah, only a cynic would do that or even think.of it!

  • 25 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    Letch

    Anyone who approaches their support of NUFC with an air of cynicism can surely be forgiven though.

    Interesting that Jail for Ashley said that the day after it was said ‘Ashley going to sanction 4 signings’ there was a 9-match ‘discount’ offer.

    Even if you discounted the football side of things, or acknowledge that we’re progressing on the pitch (I disagree with this point of view mind) – Ashley just conveys the approach that he is all about the money, and any potentially good news that comes from the club is just another ploy to make us part with our money.

  • 26 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    good morning all,

    interesting that it was said, “if the right player became available for the right price, perhaps the club would bring someone into the squad. If not, it would not add to it.

    now where have i heard that before???

    if there’s a beer at the right price, ill drink it, if not, i will not add to the beer already in my system…. ffs, im starting to agree with ciaran, and need to see some ambition lol

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    1 – nobody should believe a word the gobsh**e Redknapp (the elder) says. I don’t care if he comes across as a salt of the earth ‘one of the lads’, he’s as shifty as they come
    2 – believing all that you read on fans’ sites is dangerous as they tend to be written by the more passionate fans. Meaning that they are quite often heavily biased one way or the other.

    It was simpler when football was run by working class blokes who were good at organising things because they could relate to the working class blokes in the stands. Now football is run by rich middle class blokes in a very different way. It seems many of our fans are incapable of understanding the way a modern football club runs and sadly we also have an owner who appears incapable of understanding how an old-fashioned football fan thinks.

  • 28 beddersmag // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    ciaran

    come on mate has to be progression on the pitch this season surely?

    our toon

    dont forget part of the reason wby we played hoofball was that the midfield didnt show for the ball enough. cabaye at times looked disinterested and unfit. and thats not to mention tiote or jonas who were unable to keep the ball, marveux similar. its not like pards told them to play 4% more long balls more than the average today- its circumstances on the pitch which dictate long ball (also going behind is more likely to produce long ball from panic and we did a lot of that last season)

  • 29 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    DokToon

    The problem is that the club doesn’t talk in ‘football fan language’. Plenty of managers have come out in the last few weeks and said that either they won’t be signing anyone or it will be difficult. Both Mourinho and Moyes have I believe and their fans will both say that they need players (Chelsea a top striker – like Lukaku…and Moyes a creative midfielder at the very least).

    You shouldn’t get dragged down into the negativity of it all. As we only got promoted a few years ago, there is no reason whatsoever to think we have some kind of right to finish high up the table. Everything tells me that we should finish in 8th this season and that would be a good job.

  • 30 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Dok

    You feel and think however you want to feel and think and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Now do as I say ;)

  • 31 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    We know that the club needs to look for deals. I know fans want signings but if we’d signed all of the players that the fans wanted for the fees that the fans wanted then we’d either have a lot fewer players or a hell of a lot more debt.

    I know we’ve lost the last 3 games and we’ve now got some injuries but even 1 or 2 signings this Jan would be good news and we’re still well placed in the league.

  • 32 kt97toonarmy // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Couldnt face us getting beat off the mackams for 3rd succsessive time. FFS. Anyway i think if we get 4 signings it will improve us. But defo think 2 strikers will b great.

    Ill b honest. Ive never heard of cabella. Nd the idea of loaning him back is actully depressing.

    De jong im not sure about him like. Interesting fact for those who like statistics but he hasent had a shot on target all season.

    This link i found is typical newcastle in the transfer market

    http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/lyon/transfer-talk/news/gomis-to-newcastle-move-hits-snag_128904.html

  • 33 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Kt97

    I was very keen on Luuk de Jong in the summer, but I find it worrying that he has flopped pretty spectacularly in the Bundesliga – even Cisse could score in that league!

  • 34 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Thomas Rincon Anyone?

  • 35 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    tds… i see what your saying, but we are NUFC, it should be a right, a passion to do as best we can… im starting to see failings in the system is all… i will adore our club til im dead, but ffs, id like to see an effort to upgrade and progress is all…

    ciaran, do as you say? ok ill go have a drink :)

  • 36 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Dok

    That would be doing as I do :P

    How have you been anyway? Everything good your side of the pond?

  • 37 Novocastrian66 // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    DeJong has to be an upgrade on Shola, hasn’t he?

  • 38 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Beggarsmag

    We played long ball football last season right from the off, you can dress it up as players out of form etc but even with out of form players the philosophy of the type of football shouldn’t change!! Example whenever we are losing in games now we revert back to hoofball (yet we’ve only won 1 game coming from behind this season against 9man Stoke) Cisse upfront certainly didn’t enjoy 70 or 80 yard lumps towards his head….the main reason we played hoofball was down to pards not having the time to work on a game plan, the EL showed that tactically this guy needs at least 5 days to prepare a team!! I’ve said this before but every time Williamson lumps the ball forward (this season) you’ll here a daft shout from pards saying good ball!! Players looked disinterested because of the shite we played

    Cyprus – not many midfielders on par with Fabregas and Ramsey has only had a decent half season mate, arsenal fans were crying out for him to be sold in the summer, Nasri is not a central midfielder

    If we play attacking football with players making attacking runs then maybe we will see the best out of Cabaye, same with HBA!! As I’ve said creative players are fighting a losing battle in a team that plays defensive football

  • 39 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    Any updates from todays meeting with Montpellier reps? Did that old busturd JOKE turn up to the meeting drunk?

  • 40 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    ciaran, alls well here, a bit of a cold front though here… was 23 degrees F when i got up fo rwork this morning….

  • 41 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    hear MA is gonna pull a vincent tan and change us from the magpies to the tortoises, in hoonor of our defensive minded sheel like tactics lol

  • 42 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    Link to minutes of last nights Forum
    http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Fans/FansForum/0,,10278~3608153,00.html

  • 43 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    shell, that is… ;)

  • 44 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    It will be interesting to see how we play against Man City. Is it possible that if we’re truly whacked, say 5-0 that it would change the board’s attitude about transfers this window? The board says we have the best squad in quite some time but I would argue we only have a decent starting XI and about 3 other decent players. The injuries and suspensions should help the board understand that if they have a clue.

  • 45 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    Just to dispel some nonsense that was written earlier. 1 signing in January would certainly not be enough. Even if that signing was Remy Cabella. We are woefully short up front, and our defence has shown how vulnerable it is when injuries/suspensions affect us.

    Minimum of 2 first team players in the right positions and it might be a good window. Any less is a failure.

  • 46 John Tudor // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    thomas rington for the tea lady hamshu

  • 47 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    charlie could you please repost that link again mate . its showing up with an error message. cheers

  • 48 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    Ben3arfa

    Copy and paste the whole link – including the bit at the end that is not hyperlinked and it should work for you

  • 49 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    so far- after we lost 3rd game in 6 days 2morrow there is info that MA sanctioned 4 players in. 3 days later- Cabella- if we sign him we ll loan him back
    Gomis- agents fees issues
    De Jong-we want loan they want to sell

    so, should we trust that story about 4 players in you tell me

  • 50 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    JT

    *whispers* Not allowed to talk about NUFC tea lady, some people get very defensive about her…

  • 51 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Ben3arfa
    copy the whole of the following:

    http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Fans/FansForum/0,,10278~3608153,00.html

  • 52 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Belgrade

    I’d be very surprised if 4 players came in. In fact I would be very surprised if we even signed 2 players who would immediately improve our first team.

    If we get anyone in it will probably be a relatively poor upgrade on Shola – ie Gomis – and probably another cheap option to bolster our squad and maybe a young player – like Mbabu was last Jan.

    So if you twist and spin things like the club and apologists like to, then there might be enough to appease the blinkered.

  • 53 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Less of the Tea Lady controversy there!

    G2 – I am afraid that a footy lesson from the blue half of Rainyville is on the cards with our new version of a (hastily-cobbled) back four. My big worry Is Mbiwa. Whereas Saylor either has a good game or an outrageous nightmare Mbiwa seems to blow hot and cold at random during the course of a single match. Santon in the right? Folklore has it that he is also a rb but I am not convinced he will be at ease there.

    And of course there’s our slightly directionless midfield. I think Pards might be best having Tiote and Sissoko sit back and protect that back four.

  • 54 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:13 PM

    Cabella – GFN:
    ‘For the moment, I am 100% focused on my team. I am focused on staying up.I want to play these last months out but if there is an offer, the two clubs must agree.’

    ‘If an offer is agreed than I will decide. Everyone says if its from England I must go. There are some good clubs in England. Over there, I would be the happiest.’

  • 55 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    One of our many difficulties is that the board are just Ashley yes men. They will do as told. We’re in 8th with absolutely no chance of relegation so Ashley is completely relaxed this January compared to last. I don’t believe a word of the 4 players in bollocks. In a little over 3 weeks we’ll know the truth. Prepare to be disappointed as usual.

  • 56 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    SH: “Did the club’s Academy achieve the highest category status?

    The board confirmed that a further update will be made available in due course.

    AMc: “Does the club plan to reinstate NUST to the forum?”

    LM reiterated that the club’s decision was final, explaining that it was taken due to NUST breaking protocol and to therefore maintain the integrity of the Fans Forum.

    Liam Hall (LH): “Regarding strength of the squad, if we did qualify for the Europa League this season, would we strengthen where we didn’t last time?”

    The board explained that the Europa League generated circa £6m last season and that was not a significant amount to strengthen the squad. Any funds available would be used to strengthen for the Premier League and not for the Europa League.

    The club are maintaining their permanent ban on the only democratically constituted fans body. We still do not have Cat 1 status, and we will not be making any additional signings if we do happen to qualify for the Europa League.

    Mike Ashley learns from his mistakes? Well he didn’t consider not strengthening for the Europa League as a bloody mistake despite it nearly relegating us!

    I really do hope people will wise up to this regime sooner rather than later.

  • 57 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Ciaran

    Exactly. I said on summer we ll sign 1. And we did. only 1. I said the same now. only 1 probably Gomis. But I just dont know than who will come to support NU, I think nobody cares and wants to lose nerves to see if we ll finish 8th or 9th

  • 58 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    Spot on @53 Tsunki mate. This idea that everything is peachy with the squad is just bafflegab as usual. The board are as full of it as Pardew. We have 1 decent striker (a loanee), and about 1.5 decent CB’s until Mbiwa comes good if he does. We have a right footed starting LB who can’t cross with his left foot to save his life. That doesn’t sound too peachy to me.

  • 59 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    Belgrade

    We are 10 points clear of Hull who are in 10th, and the teams below them are so inconsistent that I do not think it is possible for us to fall outside the top 10 now (famous last words) so I think we have pretty much got a top 10 finish nailed on so you would have to ask, why would we make many key signings this January?

    Obviously we see that with the likes of Spurs and Man U blowing hot and cold, we have an opportunity to finish above them, but Ashley does not, and will never, realise the ambition of us fans.

  • 60 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    ciaran

    no problem mate. than me and lot of people I know here and support NU will stop watching us and just come to see result. i really dont care if we r 7th place. I care ELor CL spot. In translation to MA vocabulary- less supporters less money for him

  • 61 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Belgrade

    That is one of the problems with the way MA is running the club. While international fans have an interest in English football teams, the reality is that they will only truly support the ones that are consistently challenging in the league, playing good football and showing ambition.

    It is not as easy for fans who live and breathe the football club to switch off how they feel about the club though.

  • 62 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    I enjoyed this post from the last thread

    70TWO // Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Repost

    The chat about using technical players makes me wonder, again, what they actually do during in training. Even if Pardew isn’t a ‘technical’ manager preferring defensive survival and ‘fluke’ goals, he would be able to see the qualities of players during training.

    IMO accordingly coaching should involve making use of players skills and incorporating it into game play. Perhaps this is where the problem lies, as they are being drilled with the Pardew way of playing by coaches that are all of the same mentality.

    I remember once seeing on a clip, an interpreter in the changing room who was whilst translating Pardews words having a bit of a giggle with the French lads. The face on Pardew was like thunder as he probably thought he had another wanna be Mourinho. But it illustrates the rigidness of his thinking.

  • 63 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    You’re spot on with your posts Ciaran. In fact even Gomis may be too much for us to afford. After all I believe our offer is 2M since he’s out of contract this summer (I think). So why pay that kind of massive money for him if we can get him for free in the summer? We might just be able to afford a 17 year old from somewhere foreign to make it sound sexy this January but that’s about it.

  • 64 stuart no9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    It’s funny – pards wins a couple of games and he is god , lose a couple and all opinions change again . How long is it going to take before people understand – he is cr@p at his job . Surely he must have been Sussed out by now . I think he must be sacked before the Sunderland game . No more chances – out

  • 65 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    DokToon

    One problem is that we don’t have passionate spokespeople at the club who are at a similar level to the fans. SJH and Keegan were perfect in that role and FFS carried it on a little as I think people considered him as a continuance of SJH’s reign a bit.

    The thing is, football has changed massively and there aren’t many of these passionate fans running football clubs any more. And there aren’t many managers with a personality as big as Keegan’s either. Neither Ashley or Pardew will want to be shouting loud about the ambition because they know the realistic position of the business side of things – we’re the 8th biggest club in the country and we’re miles away from the top 6. That’s not to say we can’t close the gap or even target the top 6 but you know and I know that the chances are that we won’t get there, even if we spent £20-£30M on players. The top 6 spent that on 1 player these days. The only way we get into the top 6 is if our key players rarely get injured and stay in top form and we get a bit of luck.

    It’s simply got to be a slow build up.

  • 66 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    I don’t go overboard on criticising Pardew because, contrary to what many seem to think, he hasn’t got a big budget squad of quality players. They are very good value for the money. But bargains. And that’s all he will get, so a bit of slack is due. Until he loses to the mackems as they are complete rubbish.

  • 67 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    @geordietwo (post 58)

    a right footed LB is not necessarily a bad thing!
    i cannot believe fans on here criticizing santon!!
    he’s one of our best players ffs

  • 68 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Nufccursed

    If you genuinely believe that then you have absolutely no concept of what a full back is supposed to do. Santon is a truly horrific full-back.

    Mind me asking what it is about him that has you, incorrectly, calling him one of our best players?

  • 69 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    The problem is that if we continue to sit mid table Pardew is going nowhere stuart no9. Ashley likes having another yes man who is cheap for the wage bill. Have him on the yacht once a year for a pissup and he’s as happy as a clam.

  • 70 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    ciaran
    read my words
    i haven’t said he’s a good full back, i’ve said he’s one of our best players!
    to me santon should be played in midfield as he’s good going forward.
    and apart from debuchy we do not have better full backs than him…

  • 71 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    ciaran
    one reason mainly:
    contrary to most of our players santon actually has technical skills!
    debuchy might be a better full back, but santon is definitely a better ‘footballer’ than debuchy!

  • 72 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    nufcursed

    Gotta say that I don’t agree that he’s one of our best players. But then, neither do I agree with sensationalist fools calling him “truly horrific”.

    He’s a very good young footballer who still has a lot to learn in his position. But would you seriously but him above Krul, Debuchy, Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko, Goofy, Colo or Remy? Even Willo has been better than him this season. So I’d say it’s between the inconsistent Ben Arfa or the limited Shola for our ‘worst’ player in our ‘best’ 11 this season.

  • 73 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    So because Santon is fancy with a ball he is immune from criticism?

  • 74 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Sorry can’t agree nufcursed. He’s very one dimensional. Makes a rush down the left wing, cuts inside and either passes back or takes a poor shot on goal. Also he’s often poor defensively. I wish I could say otherwise as I had high hopes for him early on with us. How many assists and goals has he had for us and how many goals have come from his poor defensive play? Haidara may scoop his position at some point.

  • 75 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    toondarfsarf:

    above krul not (but comparing a GK to a field players is not fair)
    i rate him higher than debuchy,tiote,sissoko and coloccini

    to me debuchy is decent but technically very weak
    tiote is energetic but not a ‘smart’ footballer
    sissoko is overrated
    coloccini is too slow

    only ones of your list that i find better than santon are
    goofy, remy and cabaye

  • 76 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Sensationalist fool?

    Pipe down plant.

  • 77 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    geordietwo:

    off course he’s one dimensional as he’s playing full back!!
    do you find that debuchy is that much better going forward??
    santon is a players who loves to attack, but is told not to by pardew!
    so yes he’s not a GREAT full back, but i believe a better manager would use him in a better way

  • 78 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    Santon should be nowhere near the first team until he learns to defend.

    Also, Haidara has shown in almost every single appearance he has made that he is a much more natural full back as he both defends and attacks much better than Santon ever has done.

  • 79 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Nufcursed

    Yes, Debuhy is much, much better going forward than Santon. He always provides and outlet down the right wing and his link up play with Cabaye is fantastic. He has the brain to know when to make the run and when to fall back and cover.

  • 80 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    nufcursed

    If it’s not fair to compare Krul to Santon then you can’t compare the other players too. No point in saying that Santon is better than Debuchy because he appears to have better skills. This season Debuchy has been by far the better full back, both defensively and offensively. Now, if Santon was bombing forward and getting goals and assists (like an Italian Gareth Bale), then your argument would carry weight and we’d all be calling for him to play on the wing. But he’s not. In fact, Debuchy has been doing that much more.

    There are many factors to making a footballer, appearing to be silky smooth with the ball is just one of them.

  • 81 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    ok ciaran you are being completely ridiculous!
    what has haidara done that he’s better than santon??
    to me haidara has not shown anything to suggest he’ll be a better full back

  • 82 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Santon is not even a good full back. He’s a terrible full back who lacks any spatial awareness, is constantly found out of position, rarely, if ever, closes down the crosser, and is not even attack minded enough to provide a consistent threat going forward due to his inability to use his left foot.

  • 83 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    darfsarf

    agree debuchy is better defensively but attacking-wise???!!
    what the hell has debuchy done in the attacking departement so far?

  • 84 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    In Haidara’s first game he showed he had more awareness in that position than Santon ever had. Due to being left footed he is comfortable going down the outside, he has awareness of his defensive position and is a very tough tackler whereas Santon is clumsy at best.

    If you haven’t seen that in the brief time Haidara has played then that is your deal, perhaps you don’t know what makes a good full back.

  • 85 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    ok guys you have your opinion i have mine.

    all i’m saying is debuchy will never play for a better team than newcastle while santon could…
    just read this post again in a few years time:)

  • 86 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    After a few seasons now I can see why Santon was allowed to leave his Italian club. I can’t say whether he would play better under a different manager but he has been average to poor for us most of the time and yes Debuchy is a much better fullback.

  • 87 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    nufcursed

    Suggest you ignore Ciaran. He is a self-confessed WUM (Wind Up Merchant) who says that he adopts an internet persona with more extreme views than he really holds just to get a rise out of people and start arguments.

    He’s like an anti-Brit. When he says “truly horrific”, he means “not one of the best” and when he suggests Haidara then he’s just being sensationalist by bigging up a young player that we’ve hardly seen, like Armstrong, Streete, Campbell, Vuckic, Marveaux, Chopra and many others before him…

  • 88 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Nufcursed

    Debuchy is already one of the best right-backs in the league. Arguably only Zabaleta is better and Coleman is probably on par with him on form (if not a bit better)

  • 89 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    one last thing
    you all keep saying “what makes a good full back” but that phrase is not correct.
    the role of a full back depends on the tactics of the manager!
    yes debuchy is a better FB right now, but in another system, with a more attacking approach i’m sure santon would be the better FB.
    also santon has to play LB, put debuchy there and see how much he would offer, put haidara RB and see what he would do!

    you guys forget santon is playing against his foot, that’s a lot harder so give him some credit that’s all i’m saying

  • 90 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    TDS

    I’m not a self confessed WUM. When did I ever say that?

    As for being anti-Brit? Care to clarify your comments? My statements re Haidara are based on watching him play, so once more – pipe down and wind your neck in son.

  • 91 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    nufcursed

    Well this season, Debuchy has 1 goal and 2 assists to Santon’s…er…none and none.

    Debuchy has had 10 shots on target to Santon’s 1.

    I haven’t watched every minute of every match but I remember Debuchy doing much more quality attacking than Santon from what I have seen.

    Do those stats back up my viewpoint well enough?

  • 92 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    sighs..

    yesterday the tea lady fiasco
    today the santon saga…

  • 93 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    Nufcursed

    He’s a right footed left back, as was Paolo Maldini, and it never affected his performances.

  • 94 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    Off for a bit to work off my Christmas fat mates!

  • 95 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    is the french natl team better than NUFC? oh wait, they are one and the same, lol

  • 96 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    viva le toon neufchateau!

  • 97 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    Ciaran

    I was actually bored one evening when coming back from the pub and funnily enough, very easily found some interesting quotes from you on this blog that would 100% back up what I just said.

    So I suggest you pipe down, wind your own neck in or I’ll show you up for being the sad little man that you truly are.

  • 98 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    TDS fair point but to me stats are sometimes misleading.
    a good assist that doesn’t end up in a goal is still a good assist to me, but is not counted in the ‘stats’ so what do statistics prove?
    they’re relevant in some cases, but not in all.
    i remember santon delivering at least a couple of good ‘assists’ which our strikers unbelievingly missed..

    so yeah i still think debuchy is not as good as many here think, same with sissoko.
    lots of effort, but he’s no top player

  • 99 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    sits down, makes some popcorn, grabs a beer, and yells “lets get ready to hummmmmblllleeeee, lol…

    seriously you two, enough’s enough….

  • 100 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    TDS

    Go for it plant. I stir the pot a little to provoke debate but that does not make me a WUM and you have yet to clarify your anti-Brit comments you pathetic little weasel.

  • 101 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    ciaran maldini was/is LEFT FOOTED!

  • 102 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    I actually quite enjoy this blog and am quite happy to engage in a debate with someone like nufcursed, despite me disagreeing with him. But I don’t like people who take overly confrontational viewpoints just to start an argument and then bombard them with more sensationalist crap to try to appeal to a few other vocal idiots.

    It’s cheap and tacky, like an old fashioned car salesman or a travelling preacher.

  • 103 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    Paolo Cesare Maldini (born 26 June 1968) is a former Italian footballer who played as a left or central defender, being adept with either foot although naturally right-footed.

    Think you will find you are wrong. He had a decent left peg but was naturally right footed.

  • 104 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Don’t like it then piss off back to your computers Mark.

  • 105 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    nufcursed

    Effort is massively important in the PL given the pace and physicality of the style of play.

    10 shots on target (out of 22) to 1 (out of 18) has surely got to demonstrate that Debuchy is getting into better shooting positions and/or just shooting better.

    Debuchy also appears to be more “all-action” in terms of defence, whereas Santon does not appear to be as up for the fight.

    I think Santon looks like a very good footballer but he still has a lot to learn at full back. For the positions that they play, I’d put the likes of Sissoko and Tiote above him for sure.

  • 106 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    ciaran why does he take penaltys with his left foot then?
    to me you take a penalty with your best foot!

    and tds i agree with you on the ‘like to debate’ thing:)
    although we have different opinions i think we both have some good arguments

  • 107 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    Nufcursed

    Maybe he felt lucky that day. He was,is and ever shall be a right footed left back.

  • 108 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    Awww cmon really nufcursed IS a WUM, Surely? Santon better than Debuchy? Ha ha I have read some tripe that makes the blood boil but that stuff made me laugh out loud. He genuinely does not know what he is talking about. Is he 10? :D

  • 109 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    Ciaran

    From your own fingertips…

    I know I come across as an arrogant twat, but like I said, it’s all blog persona nonsense, I’m much more accepting of differing points of view in real life discussion.

    AND

    Disclaimer: This is just a blog, my comments are clearly an elongated extension of how I would conduct myself in a real life debate. I hope you all know that I am actually a polite, sincere and courteous person in real life and this blog is nothing more than a vehicle to let off some steam for a good old yarn and a pointless argument.”

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    anyone who can get radio newcastle on

    fans phone in usual but steve harper in tonight

  • 111 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    Tsunki,
    Did you ever hear the one about the logic of selling Leon Best without replacing him ?

  • 112 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    nufcursed

    I don’t think you’ll find many people to agree with you though…Debuchy has been one of the best right backs in the league this season and although Santon has more time on his side, I can’t imagine many people choosing Santon over Debuchy in the full back position.

  • 113 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Mark

    That demonstrates that I am a WUM in what sense? WUMS take points of views in a debate that they may not necessarily believe in order to cause an argument. Whereas I take a point of view that I do believe in and make it slightly more forcefully than I would do in real life discussions.

    I am not surprised that you lack any grasp of how to discern distinct concepts in the English language, not like you IT boffs need to know how to spell is it.

  • 114 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    well i see debuchy light years ahead of santon, the only thing santon is better at is running with the ball, which is pretty low down on the fullback list of priorities

    debuchy defends better, takes up better positions, covers the cross to the back post by picking up spare men much better, he also makes clever runs and knows when to hold back, he puts in a decent cross as well

    santon for me gets caught out of position too much and he annoys me more than any other player the way he loses the ball on the half way line and just walks back leaving others to fill in for him too often.

    Santon is not horrific I don’t think but he is definitely under threat from haidara who seems a much better defender

    I do think under a better manager though, as we use two defensive mids, we should be able to commit the fullbacks a bit more in attack and not look as exposed but with pardews tactics we aren’t any better

  • 115 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Ciaran

    So first you decide to call me by my real name (which is poor etiquette on a blog) and then you suggest I’m an IT boff? Wrong Mark I’m afraid, IT boff I am not.

    According to Urban Dictionary, a WUM is “someone who posts on message boards and newsgroups with the intention to cause as much disruption as possible by goading others.”

    Which is you.

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Ciaran

    the answers you posted from the fans forum last night are a little disappointing. I always take the comments from the club, positive or negative, with a pinch of salt as the club do lie to fans, it’s been shown in the past.

    It annoys me the way they answer questions, I don’t know whether it’s incompetence or what but it always sounds like every answer is defensive as if we are asking personal questions.

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    TS

    Mostly agree with your last post. He’s under threat from Haidara because Haidara isn’t far behind so if Santon drops in form and Haidara is doing well in training, then he could take his spot. They’re both young so potentially have a lot of room for improvement. The question is, which one of them improves quicker…

  • 118 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Mark

    See I use Oxford’s Dictionary, not some bullshit made up dictionary that has no utility in the real world. With that strict definition, surely by calling me a sensationalist fool then you are, by your own definition a WUM.

    People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones Mark.

  • 119 wolfshead@toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    ciaran

    i just remembered something i have been meaning to ask you for a while are you the same ciaran who interviewed on look north before the march?

  • 120 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    TS

    The club answers defensively and doesn’t reveal too much information because things have gone too far in the relationship between the ownership and certain fans so certain fans will take any little detail and twist it.

    If the club said that we’d sign 4 players this window and only signed 3, then they’d say it was a failure, if we said we’d sign 1, then they’d say it showed a lack of ambition. So they keep their cards close to their chests. Besides the fact that many of the questions the fans want answered would give advantages to the competition.

    I would like to see the answers to proper questions on sponsorship and coaching for example and I hope they were asked in a proper way.

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    From Fan’s Forum last night.

    CF: “Does the club expect or hope to strengthen in January?”

    The board explained its view was that the current squad is stronger than it has been for some time. It was stated that if the right player became available for the right price, perhaps the club would bring someone into the squad. If not, it would not add to it.

    That is very open ended, sky sports said Ashley will sanction up to 4 deals, not we will sing 4. So we may have 4 targets and we will only sign them if they above criteria is met.

    As for strengthening for Europe, the answer is again vague. They won’t add extra players for europe as it’s not financially viable (forget about the actual football side and what fans want ey) but strengthen for the league. Well they knew last time Europa caused us problems in the league so maybe that means they will strengthen to prevent the problems happening in the league as oppose to just strengthening to win europa league (either way we get additions).

    Just another way to look at it, not saying either way is right or wrong.

  • 122 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Sage

    It is disappointing, but nothing more than I expected. The club have no plans to reinstate the Trust, have no intention in backing down on their ban on NCJ media, have intimated that the 4 players reported most definitely will not be coming in (at least 4 players who will immediately improve our first team) and it does not look like any additional signings would be sanctioned if we ever qualified for Europe again.

    Did we expect any less?

  • 123 nufcursed // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    look i’m not here to get people to agree with me TDS!
    i’m here to give my opinion like each one of you.
    personally i still think santon is a better player than debuchy (although most of you don’t)

    i agree that debuchy is the better FB right now in this team, but to me santon has more potential (which pardew will never be able to exploit)
    let them both play in a good team like barcelona and i’m sure santon would look the better FB.
    santon is young and needs guidance from a manager with a vision and pardew cannot provide that.

    anyway, enough about santon! i just wanted to defend him cause i think it’s unfair how critical some are towards him. there are A LOT, a lot a lot worse players than him in our squad!

  • 124 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    Wolfs

    The one and the same.

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    TS

    The minutes haven’t been released for the Fans Forum yet, so people are just speculating and going off Chinese whispers at the moment.

    If we sign 4 then we’ll have outgoings to fit into the 25 too. I could believe Ashley will sanction 4 if the deals can be done within certain parameters, but frankly I’d be impressed if we get 2 in and send 2 out.

  • 126 wolfshead@toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    ciaran

    did ya chance your arm with dawn thewlis? ;-)

  • 127 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    Mark

    The minutes have been released, they are on the official website. Wake up man.

  • 128 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    TDS

    As you said yourself (not sure if its true or not) but the vocal minority are the ones who jump on Ashley (i think you said something similar once, please correct me if wrong) where as most are quite content with what’s happening.

    If that’s the case why should 99% of fans be punished with defensive answers which avoid the question to keep the 1% happy who will complain either way (as you say).

    I’d like the club, if they are to continue these meetings, actually answer questions. They don’t need to say we’ll sign, x, y, z…but they should give a bit more info on goals and targets.

    the biggest issue is academy status, why can’t they tell us now? they could either say yes we have cat 1 status or no we dont….the say we dont for the following and we are looking to improve and hopefully have it by whatever date.

    Surely they must want it and be working towards it, know what they need and know roughly ow long it will take to get that in place?

  • 129 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    nufcursed

    Agreed, he deserves to be defended. But you’ve just basically agreed with most of us anyway. Debuchy is the better full back, which is frankly all that is relevant as both Santon and Debuchy are full backs. Santon doesn’t play on the wing and he doesn’t play for Barcelona so that’s just complete speculation.

    On that topic though, I’ve seen nothing from Santon that makes me think he’d be a top winger. Certainly not yet. He does have the potential to be better than Debuchy but he’s not there yet.

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    Ciaran

    They said they won’t strengthen for europe but the league, as europe effects league form potentially then they would improve the squad? I don’t know.

  • 131 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    Unfortunately Dawn was not interviewing me, got the less attractive, but very pleasant Jeff Brown haha

  • 132 wolfshead@toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    ciaran

    thats a shame :-( lol

  • 133 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    TS

    I’ll have to check the website if the minutes have been released. I looked a NewsNow earlier and they weren’t there and I’m surprised if they have been released this quickly. Good though!

    And, yes, I did say that. But it’s the 1% who chant “Ashley out” or organise the marches. They can provide embarrassment to the club and to Ashley.

    Has any other club gone public on who they are attempting to sign? I haven’t seen anything from anyone at any of the top clubs, have you? I just don’t think that’s the right or normal thing to do.

  • 134 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Fans/FansForum/0,,10278~3462657,00.html

    minutes from fan forum

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    sorry wrong link there

    http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Fans/FansForum/0,,10278~3608153,00.html

  • 136 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    TS

    Academy status and sponsorship questions should be answered. No harm there and definitely the former is a clear answer, yes or no. With some information provided if it’s no.

    Anyway, off out for dinner with my real life girlfriend…

  • 137 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    How does anyone who organise marches and voice their discontent against the owner embarrass the club?

    Fans like you embarrass the club Mark.

  • 138 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    Interesting what Steve Harper talking on Radio Newcastle says about Ben Arfa

    He is a enigma can be a 9 out of 10 player one week 5 out of 10 the next
    in training like Ginola doesn’t bust a gut.
    and in some games needs to put a shift in.

    mmmm

  • 139 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    TS

    Thanks. Will read them later.

  • 140 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    AMc: “We learned recently that Sports Direct don’t pay for stadium advertising. Has a new sponsor been lined up for next season who will pay?”

    The board outlined that the club is constantly working to bring in sponsors across all platforms and that if a company is willing to pay, the club will secure the right sponsor at the right value. It was outlined that partnering big brands is not straightforward and that multi-million pound partnership deals do take time.

  • 141 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    Transfer Sage- To further clarify the point, on the subject of Merit Payments for final placings for PL season, 2013-2014. The fact is that these payments only account for 25% of the UK broadcast income the Premier League distribute to the twenty clubs. The other 75% is split with 50% being equally shared between the twenty clubs and the remaining 25% distributed based on how often a club is shown live on Sky or BT.

    Interesting to note that for season 2012-2013, Manchester United received £13.4m from live TV income; compared to £5.8m, which 12 clubs got.

    The Toon were the only club that earned more than that sum, outside of the PL top ten, namely £9.2m of our total income of £46 million.

  • 142 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    TC: “Why was our retail website selling some Rangers items?”

    The club agreed that should never have happened and explained that because Sports Direct fulfils a similar operation for Portsmouth and Rangers, there had been a human error in the coding behind the website.

  • 143 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    In September’s meeting, Nick Stone (NS) said that Wonga would be happy to commit to funding stadium flags proposed by supporters and accordingly, Wonga set aside some budget.
    Damian Peachey (DP) explained that a big part of Wonga’s partnership with the club was demonstrating a commitment to the community and fans, such as reverting St. James’ Park to its original name by purchasing the naming rights, investing in the academy in conjunction with the Newcastle United Foundation and funding the stadium gates. The next step is activity within the stadium itself.
    Wonga produced three designs for two large flags which will be located at the Gallowgate End, which were voted on by Forum members. They are set to be revealed at the Sunderland fixture.
    Forum members were encouraged to submit additional ideas for stadium activity for the second part of the season.

  • 144 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    Also a question that never got raised by the looks of things was I though the whole reason we went with Wonga is so that it would pay for a top player every season ?

  • 145 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    TDS

    I don’t want them to go public on who they plan to sign or how many, it’s just a little shady the way they answer, i may me looking into it too much though

  • 146 wolfshead@toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    sage

    do you mean those massive flags that used to passed around the stadium they were banned because of a fire hazard yet you see them in ither grounds

  • 147 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    Ian

    I said that about payments, I knew the 50:25:25 split…..what I didn’t know was the 25% for placings did the base payment start at 1.2 mil then increase by the same of does it start at say 5mil then increase by 1.2mil….if that makes sense, not sure if I have explained it well.

    I imagine we do quite well, I think we are n TV a fair amount of the time, more so than most outside traditional top 4 and city.

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    wolfs

    I think that’s what they mean, I was just posting the quotes from the fans forum meeting I thought looked interesting.

  • 149 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Gosh our club officials are a bunch of lying scumbags.

  • 150 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    charlie

    I found that a good comment too. Harper has has seen him train so he knows more than us.

    I still think football training isn’t good, not right for me.

    In a lot of other sports skills training is short, sharp, intense sessions, not played over a few hours as this doesn’t help, just tires players out.

    The only thing you take a long time on should be things like shooting, free kicks, corners (practicing delivery alone)…

    just my view but shown to work well in other sports like cricket and rugby.

  • 151 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    I’m also disappointed with the stance on NUST and the local papers.

    Yes they did something the club didn’t like, and maybe something they agreed not to do. What they should be doing is looking at ways to get them back on side and give them a chance after their first mistake.

  • 152 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    Morning all…Just been reading the fans forum minutes…

    It reads like an automated online help service.

    “SH: “We need to get the message out there that we’re competing for it, challenging for top four. It’s good to be aspirational.”

    The board reiterated that 10th is not the highest it wants to achieve, it is the minimum target.”

    The question wasn’t what is the minimum target and are you afraid of anything higher, but whilst making minimum targets should we not be more vocal about chasing those higher places…rally the troops a bit more?!?

    Not saying we should or shouldn’t, just that the answers are defensive in the extreme (I do get why, although I may not agree)…Personally, I’d be really annoyed if I was in attendance at the meeting…couldn’t this just be done by email? Nothing new really gets answered, just postponed to the next meeting.

    Oh well, how’s things people?

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    ibiza

    that’s what I feel too…..it’s a very wooden answer, as if he has 20 answers prepared and selects the best one suited to the question even if it doesn’t fit 100%

    We accept the minimum target of 10th, but why can’t targets be reviewed mid year. Surely if we were 20th now the target would change from top ten to survival…then heads could roll later as long term target failed.

    If that makes any sense.

  • 154 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    ibiza,

    still in the land of fruits and nuts? :)

  • 155 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    My friend used to be a natural right-foot player when he was a kid. Since he wanna mimic Bebeto who’s a left-foot player, he’s been practicing using his left foot. Now he’s a left-foot player with great power and his right foot sucks.

  • 156 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    TS…Absolutely. Even a, “anything is possible, but we prefer to stay grounded and keep expectations at a reasonable level.”

    Anything really. The way they do it now almost comes across as they’re not actually listening to the question. It’s probably more down to covering their own backsides, less information given the better and all that, but I can’t imagine it really satisfies too many fans.

    Dok…Never heard it referred to by that name, but it sounds fitting, so…yes!

  • 157 MacToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    http://fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/joint-statement-sunderland-and-newcastle-fans-join-forces-to-say-no-to-bubble-match?fb_action_ids=10152153878567668&fb_action_types=og.likes

    Surprised no one has mentioned that “Sunderland and Newcastle fans join forces to say no to “bubble” match.”

  • 158 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Why should the club fork out £20m plus to strengthen the squad just for a tilt at the Europa league that would bring the club £6m maximum? Mikey is right to make the league his priority and to run a sensible ship. I’m all for a cup run, but the last Europa run was a pain in the arse. Far too many little games both home and away.

  • 159 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    no news huh .

    I bet Kinnear and Nicollin just got drunk and got some hookers instead of striking a deal for Cabella lol

  • 160 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Mac…I can see why the mackems were against it…”bubble” is a bit close to soap really….

  • 161 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    the thing with things like the forum is that they are always covering there own arses with there answers just like politicians
    and that will always be the way when talking to tens of thousands of people unfortunately
    so pointless really

  • 162 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    B&B…It doesn’t need to be £20m investment though.

    I’ll say now that I really like Anita, however, was he the right purchase for the time? Did we need another CM or should the club have used that money to actually bolster the squad with the games we had upcoming?

    The club have shown in the past that they don’t need to spend £20m to help the squad. In the summer when we got Cabaye, Ba, Santon and then last January when we got Gouffran, Sissoko, Debuchy, Haidara & MBiwa.

    At some point we’d need to try and bridge the gap between mid-table and CL….EL is exactly that. We either accept never qualifying (or when we do having a disaster campaign) or there will need to be some smart investment to prepare us.

  • 163 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    ibiza,

    ove rhere california is always referred to as the land of fruits and nuts, the left coast.. i mean, if you choose to live on an earthquake line, youre just not right!

  • 164 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Dok…”Earthquakes are to a girls guitar, they’re just another good vibration and tidal waves couldn’t save the world from…”

  • 165 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Breaking news!!!!!!

    The club has agreed a fee of £7.5million for cabella. Now I’m well chuffed.

  • 166 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Transfer- Mate, Season 2013-14 now has Merit Payments worth £1.2m per place in the final Premier League table. The team which finishes bottom ( 20th) receives £1.2m, the one in 19th £2.4m and so on up the table , in increments of £1.2 million with the top club receiving £24m, that is, £1.2m multiplied by 20.

  • 167 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    “There’s a fair old breeze blowing around at the Stadium Of Light tonight, but hopefully it wont impact on the quality of the football too much”

    Must have been fairly breezy at the SOL for some time….

  • 168 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    bangs head against wall after reading that statement, just like ive been doing the last three matches, ugh…

  • 169 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    how reliable is that ???

  • 170 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Dok…AllDWay reliable!

  • 171 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Ibiza it’s certainly the complaint of the biggest moaners that mikey doesn’t invest enough. But, these players cost a fortune just to run (wages) never mind to buy. Besides, I don’t think the fans would show much enthusiasm for another long and tiresome run, watching the squad players home and away against some of Europe’s minnows.

  • 172 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Yes!!!!!! Remy Cabella!!!!! Welcome to Newcastle United

  • 173 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM

    Very very reliable

  • 174 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    B&B…It’s one of the complaints, although I’m not sure a figure has been out to it. My point isn’t that people don’t want Ashley to invest, but the amount you stated (£20m). We wouldn’t need to spend that much to give ourselves a chance to be competitive in the EL and the PL.

    Fans would show enthusiasm if we got EL football. Many fans have commented on how much they enjoyed it. Fans will be less enthusiastic if the club doesn’t prepare us properly, which they didn’t last time.

    Are you seriously saying you don’t want EL?

  • 175 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    fans wouldnt be interested….. snort…

  • 176 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Now to get another good striker and a very pacey winger. We’ll be flying.

    Lost hope in loic remy. He can leave as long as we get a better replacement.

    Very poor lately

  • 177 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    sounds like a MA puppet saying that…

  • 178 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    I have to laugh at the democratic fans forums who want to own the club and critise mikey for not risking his family’s wealth on these gambles. Do they still want to use their pension funds to buy the club from him as they once said they did? Woo hoo!

  • 179 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Evening gents! Any news? Are we all playing nicely? :-)

  • 180 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    The mackems must think it’s a nine o clock kick off !

  • 181 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    blackley and brownlie

    For me europe is always welcome, whether europa league or champions league. There are some big big clubs in both competitions and some great chances for away days and I love a european night at st james’

    Whats the alternative? to hover around 8-10th so we don’t make europe and we don’t go down?

    Or to push for champs league but if it looks like we won’t get it to then just to throw games to miss the europa league?

    We have more players than we did last time, and if we add a few this window it gives us and extra 5/6 players compared to when we started the last season in europe so we should be able to deal with it better.

  • 182 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    Can’t believe how many empty seats there are at the stadium of Shite for a semi-final FFS .

    If it was us they could play that game at 4 in the morning and it would still be a sell-out .

    Long story short, I despise Mackems ;) .

  • 183 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    blakckley

    nobody is asking him to gamble his wealth at all….we don’t need to spend huge fee’s on player, we have shown that with great buys like cabaye for a very reasonable fee.

    With us set to get an extra 20-30mil a year from our BT deal, wonga being our best ever sponsor and what the club state is increased profit from revenue then surely we can afford an extra couple of players a season?

  • 184 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Big Pappa…Good moral to that story :)

    Torq…I think you have this the wrong way round perhaps? ;)

    We always play nicely.

  • 185 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    Ibiza I base £20m on my perception of what the moaners would like to see invested year on year. I actually took what I thought was a conservative figure.
    I know what you mean about Anita as not being a priority position, but he has been very handy to have around. We needed him.

  • 186 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    ian

    Thanks. I wasn’t sure if the lowest payment was the 1.2 or not. Thanks for clearing it up.

  • 187 Ashton // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    We keep getting linked with strikers and attacking players yet our weakest position is the defence. We have enough attacking talent to score goals what we lack is a respectable defence.

    We need a good LB and a CB that can compliment Mapu. Williamson and Coloccini are not good enough.

  • 188 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    blackley

    Also, sorry for so many posts by the way, 20mil a year isn’t a massive gamble for Ashley either. He is worth around 3 billion…with that invested properly in sports direct and other ventures he will be making well over 20 mil a year so surely even if he spent that from his own cash he wouldn’t really suffer.

    I’m not saying he needs to spend his own cash though, I’ve always said we buy and sell well, just occasionally take a gamble on selling/not buying which could have serious consequences.

  • 189 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    TS I agree about the CL but we need to build steadily. Moreover, the Cabaye type deals don’t grow on trees. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Patience is required. Its in short supply. I’d love to see how ruddy and co would go about running the club after they had invested their pension funds.

  • 190 Ashton // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    We were linked with Kostas Manolas a couple of months ago and I think he is exactly what we need. I’ve seen him play and he is very impressive. He wins everything in the air and is really strong with good footballing ability. He can also read the game very well.

  • 191 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    well said BPC,

    is there a sequel to how you hate manure? :)

  • 192 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    Transfer
    Harper on Ben Arfa I thought was a very true comment on him when he is on the pitch during games – a bloody enigma.

    Chris waddle has been on about training and he said most players would rather play 3 games a week than train

  • 193 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    @ Dok

    Not so much a story more of a quote from a film for Man U fans :

    “Welcome to the real world” (prize for whoever gets it)

    No more trophy’s every season and glory supporting plastic fans ;) .

  • 194 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Ibiza you old salt! I keep missing you in here.

    How are you sir? Glad to hear we are all behaving! :-)

    Have we signed anybody yet? I’m getting restless!

  • 195 DokToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    perfect term for them BPC

  • 196 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 197 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    torq

    any confirmation on the 7.5 fee for cabella? much lower than i thought..or is that speculatin?

    Blackley

    I agree steady building so we surely must enter europa league if we ever plan to advance to champs league?

    I accept (going off our target of 10th this season) that finishing 5th, although the club will have been delighted, caused headaches. They would have needed to sign 7/8 players to give us the genuine quality in depth people think we need and that was just too much for one window. I think just buying anita was a mistake though….surely we could have looked at some loan signings, even if just barca/real/etc youngsters to get us by.

    I think now, providing we add a couple now and a couple in the summer are in a good place to attack europe and the league together.

    I also don’t think it was tiredness last season that killed us, we would often rest 7/8 first team players in europe, the problem came in the disruption to training and prepeaation, something pardew hasn’t had to deal with before. So if we get in again I think he will also be wiser in how he goes about rest/training.

  • 198 jazzyp // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Nufcking
    May I ask what drugs your on ????

  • 199 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    TOON TOON
    BLACK AND WHITE ARMY
    TOON TOON
    BLACK AND WHITE ARMY
    TOON TOON
    BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

  • 200 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    NUFCKingALLdWAY

    Are you trolling?

  • 201 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    Jazzy
    Not on any mate. But if I was I wouldn’t tell you

  • 202 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    wah wah wah WUM ALERT!

  • 203 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Mark

    Where’s your urban dictionary now when there’s a real WUM about? Pri*k

  • 204 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Ben arfa
    What does trolling mean

  • 205 jazzyp // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Ruddy
    Such vulgarity doesn’t become you !!

  • 206 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    “They see me trollin…..They hatin” :) .

  • 207 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    same as a WUM .You tosser lol

  • 208 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Hang on how old is he?

  • 209 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    sunderland go 1-0 on stroke of half time

  • 210 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Sage – Not convinced mate. Would prob be the right amount of money, plus add on’s, but I’m not certain a deal has been done. And as it stands, Cabella wants to see Out this season at his current club and adhere to a gentleman’s agreement he has with them to leave in the summer.

    Sounds about right considering the character of the lad. As I say, not buying it just now. Although MORE than happy to be proven wrong. :-)

    Nufcking must have some excellent sources…or might well disappear and reincarnate over time, should the deal not materialize.

  • 211 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Patrollin, tryin to catch me basting turkey

    Evening all

  • 212 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Bpc – Trollin’ Trollin’ Trollin’….

    :)

  • 213 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    Jazzy

    Does the asterisk not absolve me? Oh crumbs.

  • 214 Graeme // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    and the scum just take the lead 1-0

  • 215 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Torq

    Or some excellent sauces. High grade Chop brown. Or some mad man salad cream

  • 216 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    torq

    i couldn’t see any stories on it yet myself.

    I am looking forward to this January, hopeful I guess is how I feel. I think a couple players of cabella and de jong’s quality, then maybe another 1 or 2 would show me Ashley wants more than safety, not sure how much more but more.

    which also gives me faith that pardew then needs to start producing with a technical team, which would be the pressure I think he needs to either improve or move on

  • 217 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    That’s harsh.
    I’m only 12 years old

  • 218 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    I was only joking about the cabella deal

  • 219 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    i guess i might be the only one here who wants sunderland to win this tie and even the cup

    be hard for us to live with all the grief off them but i like to see as many north east sides do as well as possible, makes the region stronger and does no harm to have a proper rivalry.

  • 220 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    NUFCKing there is no such kind of joke allowed here.

  • 221 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    T sage

    I cant quite bring myself to want them to win. I think you are right, you probably are the only one :D

  • 222 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Transfer

    I agree. 100%

  • 223 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Whoever it is who has hijacked Sage’s account, that’s not funny!

  • 224 pottsclock // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    WHAT ?!

  • 225 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Nufcking – You fooled us all, mate! :-)

  • 226 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Pretty sure we all knew you were trolling to be fair.

  • 227 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Will you lot stop going on about bringing players in, we are not signing anybody this window.

  • 228 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Sage – have you been smoking from the same bag as nufcking? Haha

  • 229 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    @ Sage

    I would like them to get to the final and be leading 1-0 till the 90th minute, only for City to score in the 90th & 91st and win 2-1 .

    Then I want a camera to pan to the 10 Sunderland fans that travelled and watch the pain on their faces (purely for entertainment purposes) as I crack open a beer and eat some popcorn ;) .

  • 230 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    Yh sorry everybody.

    Would love for us to get him though

  • 231 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    I would like them to get scragged 3-0 in the final by a league one side.

  • 232 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Welshgeordie

    Shut the f up.
    You have no ambition or belief for this club. You don’t belong here.

  • 233 TorqToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    BPC – wins my vote for ‘post of the day’ !

    Lovely stuff! :-)

  • 234 jimiley // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    The scum might beat Manure but they will never bear Citeee. Even if they fluke the Cup, its a bollocks Cup and beneath us. It is hardly worthy of our attention. If the scum want to win it let them get on with it. Same for the FA Cup. Consolidation in the league is everything.

  • 235 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    A ringing endorsement indeed.

    NufcKing

    To be fair to Welshgeordie, just because he thinks the club will not be signing anyone does not mean that he does not want the club to sign anyone. Two completely different things.

  • 236 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    Language, master 12 year old. I know it’s ‘My First Post’ night but ease back on the throttle there, junior.

  • 237 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    BPC

    like that shot a couple of years ago when man c nicked the title in the last seconds, it showed the manure fans dancing in the sunderland stands and then the joy turn to horror as the news of agueros goal filtered through. I had that recorded to play over and over.

  • 238 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Ciaran

    You have no clue about football

  • 239 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Jimiley

    We can all pretend we wouldn’t love to win the League Cup, but the reality is that most NUFC fans would love some silverware, even if it was the League Cup.

  • 240 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    232NUFCKingALLdWAY

    I remember that at the end of this month and then ask my next question where we are going to Finnish in the league and I bet you without new signings we will struggle.

    You muppet.

  • 241 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    He he weren’t Michael Owen and his new pals all pulling victory trainer tops on and giggling like girls when it all happened?

  • 242 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Any I am 15 not 12

  • 243 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    I’d love us to win anycup…hell i’d even has us enter the johnstone’s paint trophy if we could…although going out in the first round might be embbarassing in that one.

    And I didn’t think anyone would agree. I am a fan of newcastle mainly, and love to see us beat sunderland more than any other side (although man utd on their patch is pretty sweet too) but in general I like all sport in the north east to do well.

    football, cricket, rugby, basketball…anything going.

  • 244 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Thanks Ciaran

  • 245 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    NUFCking

    Well, one thing is for sure… i do not believe you are 12. Even 12 year olds act more grown up than you. I think you are about 9 at the most.

  • 246 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Nufckingaboutalltheway – oooooooh you shouldn’t have done that!

  • 247 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    welsh

    I honestly think even with no more signings we will come in 8th place at worst 9th if southampton buy well and pick up early season form.

    Just my view, no more valid than any other.

  • 248 jimiley // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Ciaran,

    We should get behind our owner who has stated through associates that the Cups are a distraction and we should focus on the league, the Champions League and eventually the Premiership. The Cups are a distraction. If you desire Cup silverware, go support another team. I want the league title

  • 249 Ben3arfa // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    I am still quite skeptical about us bringing players in. wouldnt be surprised if we signed no one.

    i dont trust that fat snake Mike Ashley and his constant smoke screens.

  • 250 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    I don’t think we will struggle as a matter of fact we will get wuropean football this season. Just watch. I hate so called supporterswho have no belief for the club at all like welshgeordie. They might aswell be sunderland scum

  • 251 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    markaccus

    that aguero goal was my favourite premier league moment not involving us, it was great to see as a neutral.

    I like man city too, they spend a lot and win but are no where near as smug and spoilt as chelsea fans.

  • 252 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    You need to read eds notes on having respect for other posters. Now go put your dry-nights on and let your mammy tuck you up in bed. You have school in the morning

  • 253 pottsclock // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Normal service resumed at the SoS

  • 254 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    No worries welsh. I happen to think we may see two players signed this Jan, but it will probably be Gomis and some other squad player/young player to make it look like we’ve been active.

    I just don’t think Ashley will see the need to invest given how we are 10 points clear of 10th place Hull City and teams in the bottom half are ridiculously inconsistent.

  • 255 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    Oh well it’s troll night I am off until he has gone to bed. Back in an hour.

  • 256 Graeme // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    manure 1-1

  • 257 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Sage

    I cheered that goal almost as much as Shearers rocket volley v everton years ago. Great moment.

  • 258 jazzyp // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    I wonder if Nufcking is Jeff from the last transfer window ??

  • 259 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    Jimiley

    If you want the league title go support another team. Get behind the owner, pull the other one. If you think MA has designs for CL football, or the title then you are ever so slightly deluded.

    I will continue to support NUFC in the true tradition of always wanting to have a go at the cups. This club has been starved of silverware while lesser teams have proudly paraded their spoils following a successful trip to Wembley.

    I think it is you who should be looking for an alternative team to follow.

  • 260 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    Anyone have news on luuk de jong transfer deal

  • 261 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    markaccus

    it’s moments like that, that almost make me think the prem league is no scripted by sky and players earn so much as they are actors haha

    if you look closely you can see aguero is actually played by the actor nicholas gonzalez

  • 262 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    Jazzy

    I was thinking that. He had problems remembering his age too.

  • 263 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    It’s just annoying that we have been linked with good players and I just think we might just miss out, I think another 2 or 3 players and that would make us a top 8 team. I just worry about injuries.

  • 264 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    ciaran

    do these quotes help change you view on ashley, from nufcblog.org

    Why did Mike Ashley buy Newcastle United?
    In a statement made in October 2007 Mike Ashley attempted to explain what attracted him to buying Newcastle United amongst other things saying:
    “I bought this club to become part of its passion and it has worked. I feel at home here already. I love the place, the club and especially the fans, who wouldn’t?”
    In a statement made in September 2008, he said on the same subject:
    “Newcastle attracted me because everyone in England knows that it has the best fans in football…” adding later:
    “Don’t get me wrong. I did not buy Newcastle to make money. I bought Newcastle because I love football.”

  • 265 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    Sage

    And dennis wise is played by tom cruise, because the are both odious little b*$tards!

  • 266 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    ciaran

    sorry, i couldn’t resist

  • 267 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Your right

  • 268 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    258jazzyp // Jan 7, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    I wonder if Nufcking is Jeff from the last transfer window ??

    He’s got to be a Sunderland supporter

  • 269 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    welsh

    I do agree to really start kicking on we could do with at least 2 this January, and a quality two like de jong and cabella…not just squad players.

    but who do you see below us going past us? for me the only realistic one is southampton.

  • 270 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    Language

  • 271 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    markaccus

    is wise that popular with the ladies though? i see him as more of an animate character like Golum.

  • 272 John Tudor // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    and krul is james dean

  • 273 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    NUFCKingALLdWAY

    Just joking

  • 274 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    Ok I am still here but just so you know if it is Jeff he is a manure fan, he slipped up talking about ads for Man U shirts appearing on his pages. Turned out he had been shopping for his favourite top. It would make sense he would turn up tonight.

  • 275 Graeme // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    scum penalty, 2-1

  • 276 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    And kompany is samuel l jackson

  • 277 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    Read the minutes now:
    1 – seems like good progress on the singing section. Sounds like the club has legitimate concerns unrelated to MA being bothered about chants against him. But even if that was not the case, why would he want to approve a section that would mostly sing “Ashley out”?

    2 – Shame that NUST don’t have a way back in but they were idiots for breaking the protocol. Why didn’t they take up NUFC Fans United’s offer to ask questions on their behalf though?

    3 – Interesting that they are blaming the NUST version of the minutes for distorting the truth about the targets for this season. I can see that making sense though and I’m tired of hearing idiots saying that 10th is the target and we don’t want higher.

    4 – £6M from the Europa League is nothing compared to the strain on the squad. If we did get into it for next season, I hope we’d just play reserve players until the QF stages at least.

    5 – Daft for a fan to suggest the club should quash transfer rumours! No club does this. Questions about specific transfers just shows that some of the people there are just normal naïve people who happen to be NUFC fans.

    6 – VERY WEAK answers on the Sports Direct sponsorship issue. I don’t see what right they have to free sponsorship rather than anything else. I know MA owns part of SD but that isn’t a good enough reason. Surely they could pay something?

    7 – Shame about NCJ Media too. Surely there needs to be a way for them to build back this relationship. Although I do agree the coverage was unbalanced, it’s not good to continue like this.

    8 – Interesting (and valid) point on turnover down because of outsourcing. It must be more profitable (or why do it) but it would show as turnover down (and costs down).

  • 278 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    I can assure u I am not jeff whatever he is called

  • 279 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Why did Mike Ashley buy Newcastle United?
    In a statement made in October 2007 Mike Ashley attempted to explain what attracted him to buying Newcastle United amongst other things saying:
    “I bought this club to become part of its passion and it has worked. I feel at home here already. I love the place, the club and especially the fans, who wouldn’t?”
    In a statement made in September 2008, he said on the same subject:
    “Newcastle attracted me because everyone in England knows that it has the best fans in football…” adding later:
    “Don’t get me wrong. I did not buy Newcastle to make money. I bought Newcastle because I love football.”

    ciaran

    appears my comment didn’t post which i apologised for haha

  • 280 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Mark

    No one wants to read your apologist spin on the club.

  • 281 jazzyp // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Welsh
    Yet another mackem fan that blesses us with his presence then eh

  • 282 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    Sage

    No worries, you had me confused as usually it is me that should be apologising to others! haha

    As for Ashley’s comments? I’d imagine his approach changed following KK and relegation.

  • 283 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    Honestly imagine if Sunderland manage to fluke a Carling Cup win ?!?The players better get the derby in the next game because we have to beat them its getting beyond a joke now that they get results against us !

  • 284 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Ciaran

    My what now?? Or is there another Mark here?

  • 285 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    NUFCKingALLdWAY

    Are you in a good mood

  • 286 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    Markaccus

    Oh no, not you lad. Was referring to TDS

  • 287 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 PM

    T sage

    Gollum was played by andy serkis, who, thinking about it, looks a little like dennis wise, so that could work!

  • 288 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 PM

    9 – looks like I was correct about the outsourcing to SD and using their warehouses as storage and having them buy the NUFC stock in greater bulk. Means greater profits and OBVIOUSLY the club gets revenue from the sales. Only idiots stated otherwise.

    10 – also damn obvious that the Rangers stuff on our website was a mistake. Again, only idiots said otherwise. It made no sense to be anything else!

    11 – frustrating that they couldn’t have an answer on the academy status! They’ve had a hell of a long time to sort this so surely they knew they would get asked this questions could have provided more than a holding reply?

    12 – naïve comment to say that we need the message out there that we are challenging for the top 4. We’re not challenging for the top 4 because we don’t have the squad or the money. I’d like to see the message being made clear that we are trying to build a squad to get into the top 4 though. But realistically, how do we compete with mega-rich Chelski, City and Utd? They should finish in the top 3 every year so it’s down to just super rich Liverpool and Arsenal alongside us, Spurs and Everton? And even Spurs have loads more cash than us…

  • 289 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Ciaran

    Ah right, no worries.

  • 290 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    TS

    I reckon that is why he bought the club, but he was naïve and things went wrong Sad…

  • 291 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    I have read that we have 13 or 14 strong players but beyond that we are very poor. Some people always want to knock mikey for the sake of it. We have a second string that includes the likes of mym, sayls, haidara, cisse, marv, jonas, anita, ben ten. We have never had such a strong squad in the history of the club after mikey last splashed the cash. In fact, I reckon we’re not very much short of having a second 11 that could hold its own in the top flight on any given day. Poor!? Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument. One things certain. Ciaran and co’s pension pots wouldn’t stretch so far.

  • 292 jimiley // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    This club is headed in the right direction and is run on a shoestring. The owner is a genius and we should support him all the way. Mike gets my vote.

  • 293 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Welshgeordie

    Are you a mackem in disguese
    Are you a mackem in disguiiiise
    Ohhh welshgeordie your a mackem in disguise

  • 294 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Ciaran

    Would you kindly stop being childish and call me by the name I’ve chosen for this blog. If I wished to be called by my real name then I wouldn’t have picked ToonDarnSarf

  • 295 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    TDS

    can i come back on some of that?

    1. It’s a start anyway. Also read a lot of people laughing at man utd for having a singing section saying all fans should be singing not just a few hardcord fans. I do agree it’s easier to get chants going though if you let the regular home and away fans sit together.

    If they worry on flares (not seen man myself at sjp) then they need to find a way to deal with it. CCTV and to issue bans to those who bring them, a few more cameras and can solve this easily. You are responsible for your season ticket so if you or a friend you lend it to uses flares you lose it.

    2. They didn’t follow protocol but did so with the best interest of the club at heart (rightly or wrongly), there should be a plan to get them back, even if it means removing certain people as their spokesmen.

    3. hard to say on this, they have cleared it up 10th is minimum but be nice to know they have looked at targets at half way point to reevaluate, even if they don’t disclose it publicly.

    4. it doesn’t make a lot of money but it does build prestige in europe, gets the ‘brand’ (hate that phrase) of nufc our around europe too so can only lend to make us more attractive to sponsor and sign players. I think we are now just a few players from having a squad that can push for europa league and maintain league form so hopefully by saying they will strengthen only for prem it means they know europe hindered us so next time will have more players to help us in the prem….open answer so people can interpret as they wish.

    5. never going to happen, clubs dont go public for many reasons, fine with this

    6. not a great answer, surely you could find even local sponsorship even if it’s just £1000 its extra money which could be spent on something

    7. there needs to be a plan to get them back in, the local media helped us to get john hall take over and start local revival of the club, very respected in the area

    8. i don’t have access to detailed figures so can’t confirm on deny the truth on this….the revenue was down 16/18mil though i think looking at some reports so there answer only covers half of this…so again not 100% sure

  • 296 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    Jimiley

    That’s a good one. You should be on stage.

  • 297 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    No problem Mark, will do that in the future Mark. Rest assured Mark you have my word Mark.

  • 298 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    TDS

    9 and 10. fair enough answers for me

    11. agree entirely….they should have said one way or the other and if no stated why and what needs/is being done to meet the criteria and when they expect this. We know thye don’t have it so no shame in saying they are looking to get it….just makes people think they aren’t trying

    12. we need to look long term to build the team, needs to be some buys short term to push, not silly money but good players, and an overhaul of the academy coaching if that is the way we plan to go…get every last drop of talent from the local area, not use outdated/poor coaches who have failed.

  • 299 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    Pineapple

  • 300 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    ciaran

    how do you know he is called mark? have you been stalking again? haha

  • 301 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Leave mark alone

  • 302 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    Sage

    I have my ways and means, like a ninja ;)

    On all honesty was just a lucky guess haha

  • 303 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    ciaran

    i need you to start liking ashley soon so you will go to games, could do with getting up there myself and having a pint with you and catching a game

    can you just like him for one week haha

  • 304 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    Shut up paul (ciaran)

  • 305 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    TS

    Of course you can. I put it out there to be commented on.

    1 – I’ve seen flares on the televised games and it was embarrassing. Better dialogue though could improve things. Tell them they need to police themselves and if they don’t shop the people responsible (so they can be banned), then the whole singing section will be disbanded. That would soon get responsible fans telling others not to even bother trying.

    2 – I’d like to see them back but they did what they did because they were unprofessional. They’re fans, not business people. I don’t know what happened afterwards, but they should have been contrite and apologetic. If they were unapologetic or even rude then I can understand the club’s position. Clearly, we don’t know what went on behind closed doors.

    3 – surely we’re on target and we all know that right? But we’re also light a striker. I don’t think we would strengthen more or less if we were 6th or 14th right now as long as there was not a good chance of getting top 4 or relegated.

    4 – Spurs have struggled to do EL and PL. I don’t want to see the likes of Cabaye and Colo playing 2 games a week as well as travel. CL teams can afford more players and rotate, EL teams can’t. The format is wrong.

    7 – Similar to (2). We don’t know what happened behind closed doors. I think it’s down to them to apologise for the club and hopefully the club will have the door ajar.

    8 – looks like we outsourced quite a bit though. And our revenue was still similar to Everton’s I believe. I think it was the 7th or 8th highest in the PL.

  • 306 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    Sage

    Well I will never like Ashley and I have vowed never to go to a game, but exceptions can be made haha

  • 307 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    Moyes looks like he’s given up.

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  • 309 Markaccus // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    Just chucked on an extra forward

  • 310 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    TS

    9 and 10 really annoyed me because there were several loudmouth morons on this (and almost certainly other) blog shouting their mouths off about how the club wasn’t getting any revenue from its own merchandise and still had to pay SD for something. It made zero sense and sadly some other morons even bought it.

    11 – I can’t get my head around this though. Is there some legal issue here? A serious problem? You know it is possible that the club is contesting a clause in the agreement with the FA and it’s caught up in legal land.

    12 – I think that’s exactly what we’ve been doing isn’t it? There certainly haven’t been many poor buys, Obertan strikes me as the worst. If we’d been a bit more frivolous with our money, you can bet we’d have signed a few £10M+ players who weren’t even good enough for the PL. And we have a track record there…

  • 311 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    I forgot to mention Sammy and Shola for the second team. They’re better than altidore and larson.

  • 312 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    303NUFCKingALLdWAY

    Haven’t you got to get up early tomorrow for nursery

  • 313 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    ciaran

    good man…have to try and get a game then.

    TDS

    1. think CCTV is the answer, very cheap compared to the club budget (maybe that sports direct ad space can be sold for a couple thousand to pay for more cameras haha)

    2 and 7. true, we don’t know what has and hasn’t been said/done, but like to think the club could play the role of being the bigger person and allow free speech, even if negative

    3. yes on target, but say we were first would we still be happy dropping 9 places to 10th? if that makes sense? extreme example i know

    4. spurs have and haven’t, there form hasn’t got much worse when in the comp and agree the format needs to be changed. But we have a decent set of 16 players i think now, well good enough for europe anyway. we rotated very well last time when in it, just think training was disrupted so surely the manager has learnt a couple things to change to help around

    8. we are down 16mil from before (regardless of what other clubs make). they explained 8 mil of that, what about the other 8? might be perfectly logical explanation just be nice to hear that too.

  • 314 Graeme // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    Final score scum 2-1 manure

  • 315 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    TDS

    9 10…yeh fair enough but the club could have explained things earlier to prevent confusion, simple page in a club program would have solved the issue, but cleared up now

    11. possibly, but surely they could say that there is an appeal/legal procedings ongoing i’d have thought without going into more detail…..seems a bit dodgy to me

    12. we are building slowly with first team players, i think the squad is improving, maybe not every window by it is every year. I just want them to look at successful academies of clubs like barca, ajax and southampton (well within our range – southampton that is) and should be asking pardew what he remember from their academy and also trying to get coaches from proven academies to us….say offer a senior coach at a cub like that a chance to not just coach our academy but manage/run it…surely one of them would like the challenge/step up in career

  • 316 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    Welsh georgie shut up and leave me alone. Oh and say hi to your mum for me. We had a great time last night

  • 317 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    blackley

    krul
    debuchy, willo, colo, santon
    anita, tiote, cabaye
    sissoko, remy, gouff

    elliot
    dummet???, mbiwa, taylor, haidara
    ben arfa, marv, bigi, sammy
    shola, cisse

  • 318 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    welsh

    who do you think can finish above us if we don’t strengthen…teams that are currently below i mean, not the 7 above

  • 319 Toon1978 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Reading the minutes from the meeting last night and it doesn’t bode well for ambition and future signings. Seems Ashley has NUFC exactly where he wants the club. Mid table, no cups or Europe. Then watching the scum beat Manure has me even more fed up.

  • 320 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    TS

    1 – CCTV would work yeah, as long as it’s also made clear that any fans releasing flares will be banned. It just shouldn’t happen at all.

    2 and 7 – agreed. Hope they can sort this out as it doesn’t look good to the public.

    3 – No. And neither would the club be. IMO we have a squad good enough for 8th place, so we’re where we should be. I think we’re quite a way behind top 6 and a shade behind Everton. I also think the likes of Swansea and Southampton are a fair bit behind us. But few key injuries for us and we’re back in that 8th-10th mix. Keep them fit and we can think about 6th or 7th.

    4 – Don’t forget AVB got sacked already! And Swansea haven’t done as well as they thought either. Both clubs’ form have picked up since European competition went on a break. Reserve teams for me, and that should still be enough to beat most group stage teams.

    8 – we also outsource other commercial activities. They gave figures for catering I believe, but I didn’t see the figures regarding the merchandising. Besides, down from what? No point in comparing it to when we still had sponsorship deals as SBR’s CL team.

  • 321 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    Toon1978

    Another misery guts? Owners don’t just come out and say that they’re going to buy several players unless there’s a serious reason to do so! We’re on target at the moment so saying we’ll go for 4 players just sets the club up to be ridiculed if we only get 2 or 3 and also means that the selling clubs can negotiate with an extra card!

  • 322 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    TDS

    8. i can’t remember the year, just remembe reading…don’t think it was champs league times though. but benefit of the doubt there i feel

    4. i think the key is to not use reserve teams but to rest players when they need to be. Some players are fit enough to play twice a week and show no effect really. I think it purely comes down to fitness levels and looking at each player individually.

  • 323 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    TDS

    also AVB was sacked for performances more than results….they had a reasonable points total at that stage just they were so negative in their play….not what they wanted after all those attacking players

  • 324 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Anyone who differs with Mark is clearly a ‘misery guts’ – just because we are on target with where Ashley wants the club to be does not mean that we should be more ambitious. Given how poor Man U are, hot inconsistent Spurs are, and how Everton always fail to push into the top 4, we’ve been afforded a great opportunity to kick on and challenge.

    It would not consist of breaking the bank, 10-15m spent on 2 players who would immediately improve our first team would work wonders for our squad.

  • 325 Toon1978 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Yes, i feel down after reading them minutes. Sorry mate!

  • 326 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    gotta love joey!!

    Joseph Barton ?@Joey7Barton 3m
    What was the point of him retiring. He’s at every game. Go on holiday. Play golf. Spend time with your family. Or friends Busy c*nt #fergie

  • 327 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    ciaran

    I know you have been let down before with transfers, as we all have but do you not think it’s worth seeing what comes of cabella and de jong rumours?

    sky made some pretty big claims for us so might be worth seeing who arrives or doesn’t as the case me be, this january

  • 328 welshgeordie9 // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM

    NUFCKingALLdWAY

    You are a muppet and it’s Geordie not Georgie

  • 329 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM

    Sage

    I’ve said before that if we signed Cabella and De Jong I would be very impressed as they would both represent big improvements on what we already have.

  • 330 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    TS aye, with obertan on the second’s bench

  • 331 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    ciaran

    yeh i remember, hopefully it happens and can start to show some real ambition for the cub as oppose to talking about it.

    those kind of players will fall within budget i imagine so it’s improvement without being silly as some say fans like us want.

  • 332 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    gotta love joey

    Joseph Barton ?@Joey7Barton 19m
    What was the point of him retiring. He’s at every game. Go on holiday. Play golf. Spend time with your family. Or friends Busy c* nt #fergie
    Expand

  • 333 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    indykaila News ?@indykaila
    Newcastle United open talks with QPR regarding Remy. #NUFC

  • 334 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    blackley

    i think the second team isn’t great mind you…but i do think it’s probably the 7/8th best second team in the league, which matches where ourr first team ranks in my view also

    if we continue to improve, even at a slow pace i can accept it, of course i’d love us to go out and improve over the course of a couple seasons but people also need to remember man city had a few years with taksin sinawatra (sorry on spelling) spending quite a lot then a couple years of Mansour spending before champs league was achieved.

  • 335 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    TDS – if you forgive me it was a bit revealing earlier on when you dismissed the early conversation about the fans forum as Chinese Wispers – purely as you had not realised that the minutes had been published sometime previously.
    Whist we all like to see evidence with our own eyes -sometimes this is not possible and we have to make a judgement or assessment on what we have been informed of by others. We could in such circumstances say things like –we’ll I’m not sure about that or we’ll have to await confirmation etc etc. However to immediately dismiss information as Chinese Whispers reveals a lot about how you process information from others -or to put it more succinctly -if you yourself have not seen the evidence yourself or are not the originator -then it’s a lie.
    Man – you need to be more accommodating of others’ viewpoints and opinions. Loosen up for God’s sake!

  • 336 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Sage

    As far as I am concerned, I could see why some people would give Ashley a stay of execution if those 2 came in, but personally I would be more cynical. If those 2 came in we would still need another striker on top of that in the summer – as Shola should be leaving in the summer as well as Remy not being retained.

    Then there is the persistent rumours surrounding Cabaye and Colocinni. If we followed the signings of Cabella and De Jong with smart, early investment in the summer then I may have to re-think my stance re transfers, but it is such an unlikely turn of events that I will remain steadfast that I want Ashley to bugger off.

  • 337 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    manx

    the guy is a horrible little man but can be quite entertaining…the kind of guy you wouldn’t be mates with but can tolerate being friend of a friend and seeing only ever couple month or hearing his stories haha

  • 338 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    TDsarf,
    FYI, the club announced that four players had been sanctioned to buy, the more cynical of us think this had a lot to do with the e mail members recieved offering cut price season ticket deals, did you get an e mail TDsarf.

  • 339 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    TS

    8 – No. I think the higher commercial revenue was a year or two after SBR’s CL time. But we were still negotiating deals from a stronger standpoint than now.

    4 – I know why AVB was sacked but don’t you think the performances could be related to tiredness from EL and PL games? Do we really want players to pick up knocks from EL games against some mid-table team from Lithuania and then not be fit enough to play against a PL team at the weekend?

  • 340 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    Ciaran

    I think i might have said this to you a few days ago but I agree. I think to win all fans back over he needs to not just do his usual good thing followed by a bad thing but do good things consistently…whether it’s transfers, PR, improving other areas, etc etc

  • 341 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    Toon1978

    They are a bit dour! And nothing really for a fan to get excited about sadly…

    This transfer window will offer a lot more answers than that forum I think.

  • 342 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:12 PM

    TDS

    Well possibly but spurs also have a very deep squad and rotated very well, i think it was more than the man goes through a slow paced build up, did it at all his clubs. It’s not just at spurs.

    I don’t want us to risk players for no reason, but if they are playing well and fit the extra games can sometimes be good for them to help them keep their form up, rest can meant rust too.

    JFA

    that could be it, ticket sales are a little lower than previous years so maybe that is the case….it’s another thing where we simply won’t know until the window closes i’m afraid

  • 343 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:13 PM

    TS I just think we could push progress into overdrive with the right manager. Backing Pardew is where I criticise mikey, but its his neck on the line so it’s his choice. I know nufc is small beer compared to his other interests but nufc could quickly lose him serious money. I’m sure he was quite worried not too long ago when his personal wealth took a good bashing.

  • 344 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I apologised for that and it was just an error. The club took ages to release the minutes last time so I was surprised that they had released them so quickly this time!

    Someone was writing about sections of the forum and it didn’t quite read right to me

    And you’ve got to be real here…considering the way crap is regurgitated on football blogs, you can’t believe a single thing you read. The number of people saying that NUFC didn’t get any revenue from merchandising and that we had paid SD half a million quid for all sorts of things was ridiculous. I said what it would be for and I’ve been proven right.

    I think what threw me off is that the question was in speech marks but the answer was not.

  • 345 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:17 PM

    JfA

    The club announced that? Are you sure about that? There’s an official press release stating this?

    Or was it a Sky Sports article that some insider has said that MA would sanction 4 players this window. If it’s cynical then it’s just business and more fool people for bothering to lap up the Sky Sports insider gossip. It’s just garbage, like 99% of the transfer gossip about every single club.

  • 346 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    blackley

    yeh i feel if we are going to go with building slowly and within our means, using the academy, etc then you can see huge improvements for low cost by hiring the best possible coaching staff at all level including the managers position

  • 347 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    TS

    Agree. Rest isn’t always good. But we could have easily had a EL team this season including the likes of Elliott, Haidara, Saylor, MYM, Anita, Marv, Cisse, Sammy. Then pick a first teamer or two if they’re rusty or super fit and then some youngsters.

  • 348 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    TDS

    what i will say about sky is they referred to sky sources telling them this….it’s never a guarantee but it’s much more reliable when they stick their own neck on the line instead of just saying “the daily mail say……” or the sunday sun are reporting…..”

    So I think there is something in it from the club. It could be made up, or the source could just be wrong. JFA could be right and it could be a cynical plot.

    The thing is we will see the signings for ourselves this month if they come or not but we will never know if the sources was genuine, made up or simply just mistaken/mislead.

  • 349 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    TDsarf,
    If you can’t believe transfer centre whats the point in watching it !

  • 350 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    TDS

    i’d be happy to go along with that, i’m not meaning to keep the same 11 every game. Rotation is important not just to keep people fresh but to also keep people on their toes and to keep people match fit….also to make sure everyone is capable of playing with each other to make sure i there are injuries people aren’t coming into the side on the back of no football for a month or two.

  • 351 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    TDS – ever wonder why they were so quick this time to get the minutes published?
    Anyway – my previous point is that perhaps you should perhaps not be so “instantly dismissive” of other posters viewpoints.
    Granted their is a lot of garbage posted on here – especially at this time of the year (window just opened) -but it should all go into the melting pot for consideration then perhaps comment.
    You post some half decent stuff -but sometimes you appear to me (for what is is worth) to take a viewpoint that is too entrenched.

  • 352 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    TS

    I don’t disbelieve that it’s cynical at all. But I also don’t disbelieve that there’s truth in it. The 4 signings could easily be 2 youth players for less than £1M each and 2 first teamers with 1 first teamer leaving (hopefully one of the fringe players). Every business uses positive PR like this and a fan would have to be pretty naïve to take up the offer on the basis of a Sky Sports article! But of course some fans are a little naïve…in a way that’s kinda nice isn’t it?

    So yeah, I reckon it’s a bit of truth in it and a bit of cynicism…

  • 353 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    JfA

    Haha. I don’t! :-)

    There are loads of reasons for people leaking interest in certain players or what they’re going to do. A club might leak interest in one striker to strengthen their negotiation with the club owning another striker. Tell the selling club that their striker is number one choice for £10M but that you have other options…

  • 354 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    TS

    We’ve got a few more first teamers than last season and hopefully we’ll have 1 or 2 more for next season so we should be able to do just that. No way we had enough last year.

  • 355 MacToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    “half decent” would certainly be an improvement ;-) Poor Ciaran’s been sussed as the wum that he is or was it just the pot calling the kettle……nvm

    Hasn’t the FansForum already contradicted Sky Sports report? Won’t stop all the speculation and hope from some though!

  • 356 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    Well nice debate tonight guys, like it when people voice opinions and it’s all kept pretty civil

    it’s me done for the night though, no doubt i’ll see most of you here tomorrow

  • 357 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    before i go

    mactoon

    I don’t think it has….sky sports said we just sanctioned moves for up to 4, not we’d sign them.

    The fan’s forum said we will move if the player is available at right price, they might be all available or none might be….both are very vague statements which could mean 4, 0 or somewhere in between

  • 358 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I’m also very quick to admit when I’m wrong! Which I was in that case. And yeah, it’s very good that the club were quick to release the minutes this time.

    I am a pretty open minded guy, but I may appear to be entrenched because I tend to consider opposing views before forming my own. So when people contradict my points with really weak arguments, I suppose I could appear to be a little dismissive….

  • 359 Ciaran // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    Mark

    That’s a diplomatic way of saying that you’re a complete arsehole.

  • 360 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I am genuinely completely and totally up for my views being contradicted and proven wrong. I want to learn more about my football club, and every area in my life, so if someone can tell me something I don’t know or change my views on something, then I’m a happy man. Try telling me that MA is trying to screw over the club by selling Rangers merchandise on the NUFC website and I’m just going to laugh at your stupidity…

  • 361 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    mactoon i posted before the forum is pointless really as its all politics
    i.e they ain’t lying, just not telling the whole truth

  • 362 Anita the Legend // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    Ashley is planning a major spree guys. He’s gonna shock us to the core and actually invest the real big bucks. Cabella for £12mil, Luuk De Jong for £8mil and maybe even Aiden McGeady for £8mil too! Plus Heitinger and we’ll look at but probably not buy Tom Ince (why oh why hasn’t he been snapped up yet?) … Young British talent like that, semi-proven already.).

    What do you guys reckon?

  • 363 MacToon // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    You’re right Manx, it’s all spin. As far as this regime is concerned we should trust their actions rather than words.
    We have accumulated some good players at good prices, we’ve amassed an ok amount of points and even played some good passing football (very) occasionally. There are signs of improvement, I hope it lasts, history wouldn’t agree though.

    Anita TL, I suppose you got that from some transfer site or similar!

  • 364 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Of course they aren’t telling the whole truth, no club does or ever would. You can’t expect them to reveal specific details on contracts with sponsors or players or specifically what their targets are for transfer windows.

    The disappointing things are why they can’t say more about the academy status or the SD sponsorship situation and also that I think they should have left the door ajar at least for NUST and NCJ Media…

  • 365 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    mactoon well for me i don’t think this is “the best squad ever” that many spout (it isn’t complete for a start!) we certainly need a left winger and another striker plus a out n out playmaker which are all attacking buys
    this eventually is pardews team and your right it has improved and we’re in a good position we just need a couple of signings for that improvement
    but we’ll see on the 31st i suppose

    also i think anita’s still dreaming he ain’t woke up yet!

  • 366 bills-son // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM

    jimiley,

    Some posters must be as thick as Keith Kettlebrough looked. …

    Actually believing you think we should consolidate under the genius Ashley :-)

  • 367 jimmysmith // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    Despite seeing us as a very handy side on our day and at full strength, I don’t fancy our chances against City one little bit if we go in without Cabs, Krul, Collocini and Debuchey, who make up the lions share of our best starting 11, I’d say. Cabs in particular.

    Starting to feel a bit anxious about it. Not real keen on a fuggen hiding at this stage of the game, and it’s definitely on the cards against that ridiculous collection of players.

  • 368 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    tds thats my point its pointless
    the acadamy thing, i believe once these new training complex plans go through we’ll get our answer to that infact it’ll prob be up there with the best
    why spend money updating the old 1 for now (just to get the status) when your gonna update the whole thing soon?

  • 369 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    tds if people are gonna speak to potentially tens of thousands of people they are gonna cover there arse no 2 ways about it thats why its pointless btw
    just like politicians

  • 370 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:21 PM

    manxpie

    That’s a pretty sound argument. Maybe the club have an agreement with the FA so that we can still play in the under 21 league without official cat 1 status. And maybe we’re not allowed to disclose that for some reason or another…or maybe the club is taking some form of legal action to avoid us being forced to upgrade as you say.

    They did manage to clarify a few points though, but there’s still nothing significant about the long-term vision.

  • 371 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    manxpie

    Agree. Because these people know that it only takes a few people to really disagree and the will really kick a fuss. Sad though…

    Imagine if the club came out and said that they were going to try and sign a least 4 players this window to enhance the first team squad. Firstly I’m not sure that’s wise because selling clubs know we will need to buy, but secondly can you imagine the fuss if we only signed 2 or 3??

    It’s not like the days when you could meet the manager at the pub and he’d tell you he’s in for Billy Bloggs for £50 from Burnley.. :-) But they fans didn’t have Twitter or blogs like this so instantly spread the gossip!

  • 372 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    well tds thats obviously just my take on it but seems very odd not to say yay or nay
    i haven’t read the forum posts yet will do when i can be arsed :) but if theres a good thing i’m sure they said that without hesitation lol again all politics
    for me we are a club very much on the move forward as a whole, but will be a few years yet of improvements to get to where we want to be
    be interesting to see the profit at the end of this year tbh must be in the 10s of mills but we’ll see

  • 373 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

    TDsarf,
    We all know your views on Northerners, leave out the patronising BS.

  • 374 Thump // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:41 PM

    Anita the Legend // Jan 7, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    Ashley is planning a major spree guys. He’s gonna shock us to the core and actually invest the real big bucks. Cabella for £12mil, Luuk De Jong for £8mil and maybe even Aiden McGeady for £8mil too! Plus Heitinger and we’ll look at but probably not buy Tom Ince (why oh why hasn’t he been snapped up yet?) … Young British talent like that, semi-proven already.).

    What do you guys reckon?

    I reckon I’ll have whatever you’re having.

  • 375 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:42 PM

    well that and the fact some situations can change in an instant
    i’m just dreading the transfer deadline day because you just know joe will be on sky sports speed dial :)

  • 376 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:46 PM

    manxpie

    Yeah, it will take a while for us to get back to being a proper top 6 club I think. Or even just a top 8 club who is regularly competing for top 6/4. Worth reading the forum minutes, and I wrote on some of the key points above. Some of the stuff was just interesting though and plugs a few holes in our knowledge.

    Yep…politics…more fun to concentrate on the football! Shame we don’t play every day!

  • 377 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    thump the fact mcgeady for 8 mill isn’t the most outlandish comment there says it all!

  • 378 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    JfA

    Errrr….huh?

  • 379 manxpie // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:51 PM

    yeah i will do tds and tbh if they were long posts i usually skip em lol i’m not much of a reader!
    wats your opinion on pardew?

  • 380 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 7, 2014 at 11:57 PM

    manxpie

    I think Pardew is about as good a manager as we can reasonably expect right now. We could get one who plays more exciting football (like Laudrup, Pochettino, Poyet) but they’re relatively unproven and risks in the PL.

    I don’t have a great amount of confidence that he’s good enough to get us into the CL, but I think we’re about the 8th best team in the PL right now and he’s about the 8th best manager in the PL too. Like I say, managers like Laudrup and Pochettino are still unproven although they’ve started well.

  • 381 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    yeah i agree about the best we can get but i feel now is HIS actual team
    which tbf hasn’t been easy for him when you think (and i feel many posters forget) that there are only really 3 starters left from when we came up
    he’s managed a near full transition and now improving so for me he’s doing a good job
    he still needs a few i feel in attacking positions and hopefully he’ll get em this window
    i feel he deserves the time to work with this group and see where we are?

  • 382 Anita the Legend // Jan 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM

    Thump

    Haha, it’s not bad stuff I’ll tell ya.

    But really, it’s gone all quiet and mysterious. Ashley seems boosted by what we’ve achieved recently, think he really wants to prove us all wrong and take a huge entrepreneurial gamble. Wants to show how class he is at making money!

    I think Cabella would satisfy me for now. Just he is bigger than what usually we would believe we’d be able to attract these days. Linked heavily with Man U too. Back when like we tried to sign Rooney? We really seemed determined to try and sign him, imagine if we got him?!

  • 383 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 8, 2014 at 12:50 AM

    Anita TL, if he really wants to push the club on then the first thing to prove that is to get in a proven and positive manager.

    Not a chancer from the lower leagues with an overly cautious defensive mentality and no real plan of playing calculated offensive football.

    There is a mass amount of untapped potential within our players, playing in a positive manner. It will never be fully seen when our forwards spend a lot of the time as second full backs throughout the game.

    It is shameful, when the spirit of football is to score goals and entertain.

  • 384 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:03 AM

    laurent so whos your manager!!!!!?
    come on who’s this manager that knows wat the prem is about and also will be able to keep us in the top 5 without the proper finance!?

  • 385 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM

    I think there’s a tendency at times to over rate the players and under rate the manager, but more importantly, to recognise too little that week in week out, we are up against top, well drilled opposition who are doing there very best to stop us from playing flowing attacking football.

    Even so, our passing and movement seems much improved this year. Surely Pardew deserves some credit for that.

  • 386 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:28 AM

    I don’t buy this idea that we are aiming at mid table mediocrity either, not for a second.

    I think we are looking on track to settle in as a consistent top eight side that can expect to either challenge for a European place or have a good tilt at a domestic cup most seasons.

    Obviously as a fan you’re going to want more, but I think that’s essentially where we are most likely at under Ashley.

  • 387 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:47 AM

    Manx, there are a few managers in the summer that we could have had. Benitez, Garcia, Martinez etc, but Pardew is a cheap, controlled puppet who is simply a buffer to the fans for Ashley. He is average at best, even that is being generous.

    Do I want to see forwards playing as full backs? No.

    Even with our patch of wins, he’s been very fortunate. Rotonda usually lists valid reasons why, I won’t go over them again.

    I want to see our players stand up to be counted, so-to-speak.

    I want them to believe that nobody can beat them when they play with a positive memtality. Not excuses about why they may not.

    Europe is a great experience and should be treated respectfully, not with more excuses which mask his own limitations.

    We have a team full of internation players, selected and reviewed by Graham Carr, Ashley has only provided next to nothing to aid him.

    These players are international standards for a reason. They are capable to play for their country. Not for Egypt or San Marino, but for Argentina, France, Holland, Italy, Senegal and Ivory Coast.

    The players should be developed as a unit to show that they can maximise their own abilities and go out and beat opposition in a manner which excites the spectators.

    For me, that is just not happening. The players show glimpses of what they can really do, but are asked to ‘contain’ more than they are to score a goal. That is down to the manager.

    The silver tongued one stumbles onto formations, as well as pressure from fans forces him to limit long balls from last year, which to an extent, has happened with help from the ball playing Anita.

    So he doesn’t play as many long balls… so what? That doesn’t constitute an attacking flair and I’m not being fooled into thinking any differently.

    I find it amusing that people on here who are labelled as ‘neggars’ generally want to see ‘positive’ football being encouraged, like me, not the defensive 10 men behind the ball boredom which we usually see.

    We shouldn’t be manipulated by Ashley’s tricks or Pardew’s excuses as to why expectations should be lowered.

  • 388 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM

    Jimmysmith

    What football have you been watching this season? Attacking football? Come on mate. We have own games and currently lie in 8th we are on par for what should be expected from this. We are boring to watch at times and Saturday will prove to be the case again, we should attack Citeh on Saturday/Sunday but instead we will defend, sit back and try to pinch a goal!!

    Could it be the reason we have had some good results this season is done to defending deep and countering teams (against better sides) but weaker teams we have under-performed and that’s because we don’t attack them we try to use the same rubbish tactics

  • 389 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 1:53 AM

    Percy is a poor manager and his record over his career has proven to be the case, a dinosaur manager trying to make his way in a modern style of football and all because he’s a cheap option.

    How many results this season have come from individual brilliance rather than tactical nous?

  • 390 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:01 AM

    laurent so the fact in pretty much 1 season in the hardest league in the world he’s had to integrate a whole new team of foreigners and we are still 8th 10 points of 10th you think thats bad plus you think that benitez would actually manage us let alone ashley paying his wages!!!!!??
    that alone shows me you spout a load of rubbish for the hell of it
    without thinking of how or why!!!

  • 391 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM

    and as for rotunda he’s exactly the same he spouts off about laudrop and the southampton manager (we’re above both!!)
    and this “is the best squad ever!!” but how is it!?
    name our wingers and forwards and tell me its “our best ever!” and then remember pardew has that to work with!

  • 392 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:09 AM

    I think we hold on to the ball well in the middle of the park and have decent shape. I also think Pardew would like to play Benny and go at teams at home, but as yet doesn’t see him as adding to the overall effectiveness of the side, despite being taken out to have a look, and I think he is on record many times as saying that this is where they are looking to improve.

    I agree though that we are not threatening and efficient enough in the final third and anything outside of top eight is unacceptable for NUFC.

  • 393 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:12 AM

    ourtoon how many results have arsenal or chelsea or man city especially have come from individual brilliance!?
    absolute stupid argument
    you buy players because of there skill and talent especially in the attacking sense!
    how many games in history have been won by talented players???? ourtoon?

  • 394 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:18 AM

    Manxpie

    This is the best team we’ve had in years no doubt about it, the only thing holding this team back is the manager with his brand of pinching goals and defensive tactics

    Swansea and Southampton have weaker teams to us hence why we are above both, if we weren’t then really Percy would be under achieving!! Laudrup has won more in his time at Swansea than Percy has won in his entire career as manager!! The puppet said when he joined us that he’d knock on Ashley’s door if and when players were required, we’ve been under strength upfront for far too long….Percy told the world that we needed a couple of bodies after Remy signed, back tracked on that on 1st September as he could get the owner to dig deep as promised!!

    Every expert / pundit will tell you that Laudrup and Pocettino are class managers!! Laudrup was being touted for Barca role in the summer and Mourinho has already said that he’s spoken to Real Madrid about pochettino as he can see him becoming there manager!! Please don’t compare Percy to these managers, Percy is on par with Sam Allerdyce, tony pullis and David Moyes!! apart of the anti football brigade!!

  • 395 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:24 AM

    Manxpie

    How many times have man city, Chelsea, arsenal etc own games by more than 2 goals?

    Here’s a stat for you mate, we have lost the most points from winning positions this season and we’ve only come back to win a match once from a losing position this season (against 9 Man Stoke)

    Individual performances will always have an effect but unlike the teams you mention we rely on this aspect heavily, whether it’s HBA v Fulham and Villa or Tim Krul v Spurs!! Like I say we get the goal and then sit back, the teams you mention score and they understand the best way to see games out is by getting more goals!!

  • 396 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:26 AM

    manx – there are hundreds if not thousands of games won by the brilliance/skills of talented players. You surely have to accept that -and please do not ask me for a list.

  • 397 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    our toon this is the best team we’ve had in years but half of it only came a year ago and thats to this country
    and you say we’re above both managers because they’ve got weaker teams but also that pardew is a shit manager that doesn’t know wat he’s doin!
    ya can’t have both mate
    btw this shit manager of ours got 5th in his 1st season and thats after selling his main striker main other scorer plus main midfielder and defender and replacing them with no money at all
    when has pardew had 12 or 14 mill to spend on 1 player!!?
    you anti pardew fans seriously need to look at the bigger picture of this club unless you know a manager that does all that u wish for 500 grand a year with fusk all to spend!!
    otherwise shut the fusk up!!!!

  • 398 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    whilst I feel like a rant -one thing that annoys me is the complaint that Benny gets dispossessed all the time. He does indeed get dispossessed but he is the only player (just about) who takes on an opposition player and tries to dribble passed them. Just about everyone else do not try to dribble so they by design do not get dispossessed if they are just completing a pass. So I think perhaps Benny should not be constantly berated because of this.

  • 399 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:39 AM

    ourtoon bloody hell mate!!!!!
    alrite then go and value there squads against ours
    infact you could probably pick just there forwards and they’d eclipse our squad
    you missed the poin’t totally man it was you who blamed!! us for scoring good individual goals not me!!

  • 400 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:40 AM

    tuff hey!??
    i didn’t?

  • 401 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:42 AM

    manx -my Benny post was a general point not aimed at anyone tonight.

  • 402 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:49 AM

    tuff nah i can see that 1 lol the 1 at 394 unless you were being sarcastic but i can never tell wit u?

  • 403 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:57 AM

    and btw our toon our worst managers in recent history both got us to the fa cup final!
    says alot for cup comps doesn’t it!??

  • 404 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 AM

    Manxpie

    Otherwise shut the fusk up? Let’s have a discussion like grown ups!!

    Yes pards got us to 5th in the league, may I add his highest league position ever, the team played some really good football mate, the creative players were allowed to express themselves, Cisse joined us and was in great form, 4-3-3 was working like a treat!! The following season things changed, as much as he was manager of the season for finishing 5th, he was also the worst manager in the league for guiding us to almost relegation!! Players like Cisse, HBA and even Cabaye looked so different to that first season they had with us, formation was changed because Ba spat his dummy out (poor management because he left 4months later)

    Percy is the best we can get for the amount he’s on, he’s the best we can get under MA, just because he’s the best we can get doesn’t mean that we should be happy with the rubbish that’s served up on a weekly basis!! Laudrup managed to beat us without a Striker!!

    At no point did I say Percy doesn’t know what he’s doing, you’ve made an assumption…..i did say that percy stifles the team and prefers defensive containing tactics, doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s doing….just means he’s a ambitious as the guy who owns our club!!

    Yes we are above Southampton and Swansea, but it’s only January mate, long way to go…let’s see where we are come May!! Pochettino and Laudrup had there 1st seasons last year and both managed to finish above us!!

    Let’s not distort facts here, the season we finished 5th was the season after AC was sold and Nolan etc they we’re replaced by Ba, Cabaye who in all honesty are better options than Nolan and AC

    Half of the team didn’t come 1 year ago as you state, the players in the starting line up are Remy, Sissoko, gouffran and Debuchy the other 7 have been here for longer than a year!! You tell me what Percy has achieved in his career to convince me that he’s the man to take us forward….he came out with a statement declaring he was happy to out of the EL, try’s to defend last seasons debacle by consistently using it as an excuse for swansea and spurs yet the managers of both of them clubs welcome the competition and have rubbished Percy’s claims!! When was the last time he took responsibility for something?

  • 405 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:09 AM

    Mr tuff

    Completely agree with your HBA statement, unfortunately most have bought into the ways of pards!!

  • 406 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:14 AM

    ourtoon – was watching that Vierra and Keane programme on the telly earlier on. Vierra and Keane we nominating their best teams. Vierra mentioned Robert Pirez who he included in his best team. He mentioned Pirez was renowned for not getting back to defend -but this was accepted as he could always create something + he said Wenger gave him a free roll. So it does show that these types of players can be fitted into a system.

  • 407 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM

    Going back 1 yr to this day we played 47 games in all competitions, we won 6 of them by 2 goals or more…2 of those games were against morecombe and Leeds, the other one was against 9 man stoke leaving 3 games that we won in the league by more than 1 goal against 11 men

    47 games we won 19 with 9 draws 19 losses, I wonder how many we lost from wining positions because we wanted to hang on to what we had

  • 408 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:28 AM

    Mr tuff

    My biggest argument is that Sissoko gives us very little going forward from the RW but defensively he does well to babysit, although he was to blame for WBA goal at our place when Brunt scored, however all was forgotten as he scored a cracker!! I think Sissoko has scored 1 goal and got 2 assist this season in 20 starts, HBA has 3 goals. & 6 assists in 9 starts with 9 sub apps!!

    It’s about time we started to tell our FB’s especially Debuchy whose been fantastic this season to concentrate more on defending and to leave the attacking to the like of HBA!! Yes offer support but I feel the FB would have sufficient cover from the likes of Tiote and Anita as DM

    Creative players like HBA may not work hard but they give so much more as attacking options though, get rid of this negative defensive style and let the team express themselves!!

  • 409 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:30 AM

    I think that maybe one of the problems we have in getting the side to gel as a unit with Benny in it is that we aren’t quite good enough to dominate games and keep teams on the back foot. If we did that in the way that the more accomplished sides can, then Benny’s weaknesses would I think be far less of an issue. So realistically we do need him to alter his game to suit the needs of the side.

    I think its fair comment to say that Benny doesn’t have a great deal to offer when we don’t have the ball, and his decision making is also not the best and that we do suffer as a result at times.

    Even so, he is a wonderful talent and I would like to see him back in the team now, and the side built around him in an attacking sense in a last ditch effort to get him to deliver or ultimately be moved on.

  • 410 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:32 AM

    seriously ourtoon how many times on here have i seen sack the manager or sack pardew and then loads of abuse about this or that! without any and i mean any thought of a real replacement!? does my head in!
    and he got us to 5th which is his highest ever but its certainly alot higher than the options available and a hell of alot higher than laudrop or pochitino

    and last season imo the summer transfer window had as much to do with that poor season as the injuries!
    but how can you blame a manager trying to accommodate them both remember we tried them up top together in quite a few games at the start of the season but it didn’t work
    maybe pardew knew he wouldn’t get quite as good as a replacement if ba did leave so tried to keep him happy?
    he was right if that was the case!
    as i said before he’s done very very well under the whole circumstances and to here “sack him” or “he’s clueless” is a joke in my eyes
    and i still havent heard a viable option under these circumstances not 1 from these same people who want our manager sacked!!!!?
    and you say laudrop n pochitino only had there 1st season last year well pardew got 5th in his 1st season finishing above chelsea n liverpool! so might be the same this season for pardew!

    and you say not to distort facts but then say nolan n carroll aren’t as good as cabeye n ba! but that is in total hindsight and admit it! 1 proven prem league player against a good ligue1 player and 1 prem striker in his 1st season scoring 6 to 1 striker in his 1st season scoring 11!who was younger and sold for 35mill!!!

    and on the europa go and have a look at wat harry redknapp said about it and i’m not surprised after the season we had he said wat he said
    the problem is if he says something instantly and of the cuff its scrutinised for eternity look back at my earlier posts reguarding politics!!

  • 411 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:54 AM

    ourtoon wat wingers has pardew got to choose from btw?
    and arfa its not just about his tracking back its about his descision making which is the most erratic in the world imo lol
    god knows wat its like as a team mate to second guess where or if he’s gonna play it
    his position is about assists
    if he scores goals aswell great but his job is to assist and set up attackers which he rarely does
    have a look at harpers comments mate might change ya mind on him since he actually trained ,played and new him!

  • 412 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:56 AM

    manx…Hello there, late night? :)

    What did Harper say about Benny? Have a link?

  • 413 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:06 AM

    ibiza yep but not for good reasons ! :)
    i havent mate i read it earlier on here think it was sage could be wrong tho
    just said 1 game he’s 9 outa 10
    the next he’s 5 outa 10
    plus not a great trainer

    which pretty much imo shows his form and weight !
    but pardew is the devil for not playing him!
    and harper is just jealous and doesn’t know wat he’s talkin about probably :)

  • 414 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:11 AM

    manx…When is there a bad reason to be up at 4am? :)

    Fair enough…sounds about right, the lad can blow a bit hot and cold.

    As you know, I don’t have any major problems with Pardew. Of course there is better, but I’ve seen little of our owner to think we’d be getting anyone “better” than Pardew and I think most of the time he handles the overall situation reasonably well.

    As for Benny, he does raise the excitement levels. When he gets the ball, there is always that possibility of magic about to unfold. Sadly, more often, it doesn’t.

    Hopefully he and / or Pardew sorts it out. What isn’t up for debate is whether an in form Benny is valuable to the team…it’s whether we stick with him when he’s not.

  • 415 manxpie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:22 AM

    well ibiza ya can have my chronic toothache if ya want :)
    (if only!!!)
    yeah i’m actually still getting used to your opinions lol
    but yeah i feel we need a few signings and then we’ll see wat pardew is made of because then it is totally his team be nice wit arfa but if he pullshis finger out!

  • 416 Santon03 // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:54 AM

    Why don’t we go for Abel Hernandez?
    He is Uruguay international playing in Serie B side Palermo. He is strong and quick can play LW RW or striker and very skillful player.

  • 417 Ben3arfa // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:08 AM

    Santon03

    Hernandez is a brilliant player, very similar to Loic Remy in fact, except he is left footed.

    I dont think we do much scouting in Italy though, which is a shame.

    I understand that Santon was purchased in 2011 at the request of Pardew and not due to a recommendation by our scouting department.

  • 418 lesh // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:13 AM

    Well, well. Surprise surprise, hes a bin-dippers’ view on the Loic Remy situation. Seems that Liverpool’s always been his first choice destination. Christ, if that’s the case and he went to QPR, where do/did we figure in his prorities?

    http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2014/01/harry-redknapp-will-sell-loic-remy-16m-lfc-transfer-news.html

  • 419 Santon03 // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:23 AM

    Ben3arfa

    I don’t know who Carr recomends, I don’t think it was made public knowledge. I think you are right that our scouts have France and Holland as their priority. It’s shame that we don’t scout Italy, Belgium or countries like Croatia and Serbia they have great players there.

    lesh

    I don’t think anyone would touch Remy until his trial finished, redknapp is being an @rse by asking 15 – 16mil, he is trying to take advantage and gain transfer funds while Remy and NUFC performing well in the league which is something that he can’t do.

  • 420 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:59 AM

    Manxpie

    We seem to be going round in circles, you haven’t answered any of the questions I’ve out forth so let’s try this again, if pards is such a good manager why was he sacked from Southampton when in division 1(his last job before joining us)

    Looking at pards career it doesn’t fill me with any confidence about his abilities, he got the favourites of the championship (west ham) promoted to the prem via play offs, finished 9th in his first season and lost to Liverpool in cup final (positive) following season whilst in EL they got knocked out in 1st round and lost to chesterfield in the cup….they went on a losing streak which was the worst run west ham had in over 70 years!! In the season he got sacked Percy played at even on the LW with Carlton Cole upfront (mascherano was bench warming) Tecez suffered his worst goalless run in his career of 13 games without a goal (similarities to us last year are striking) needless to say he got the sack

    Percy moved to Charlton they got relegated from the prem but were favourites to come back the following yr, they ended up finishing 11th and following season struggled Percy got sacked as they were in bottom 3

    Southampton he had lallana and lambert they didn’t get promoted and he had a falling out with the owner!! Your argument of Pardew finishing 5th in his first season is rubbish mate he finished 9th in his first season with west ham!! Laudrup and pochettino who btw this is his first full season are better managers, young manager with fresh ideas and understand the modern game!!

    This excuse of injuries has to stop, every team has injuries, it’s down to the manager to rotate players and manage the work load in a responsible manner, Gutierrez is probably not playing after he slated the type of training we did last season!! Percy mismanaged the squad in this 3 games without a win, he also played HBA in the EL last year when we were already through, in that game HBA picked up his injury, he bought him back from injury on a plastic pitch in Russia which ultimately killed his season off!!

    My biggest gripe with Percy is that during the game he has very little impact which results in something positive for us!! As I’ve said we’ve only won 1 game when the opposition has scored first (9 Man Stoke) we’ve lost more pts from a winning position than anyone else!! When we are losing he will revert to hoofball and a goal shy striker in Shola who failed to score in the in 2013

    He was rightly rewarded for guiding the team to 5th but no raves about his style of football or about his managerial abilities!! Laudrup and pochettino are touted as potential next managers for Barca n Real Madrid yet you seem to think Percy is better….laughable mate!! Some players aren’t great trainers….ppl say that about berba but Lesley king never trained due to his injury didn’t stop him from becoming a really good CB!!

    Gutierrez criticising coaching methods from last year has to be the reason he’s not considered, he’s a better option than Obertan!! Who walked out apparently but played the following week!!

    On Ba Percy upset Cisse to accommodate Ba even though he knew he wouldn’t stay!! Shocking man management and that’s something Percy’s good at though (man management) Tevez did say that Percy was great to have when he came to England but when it came to the game he had no idea how to use me as a player (pretty much sums him up as a manager)

    Final note on this manxpie, Percy consistently comes out and says we was in control of the game up until that point (almost every game) someone should tell him “if your in control pards then get the 2 goal advantage and kill the team off because they will wrestle control back” 9 times out of 10 we end up losing because of it

  • 421 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:03 AM

    Lesley king lol

  • 422 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:03 AM

    Did it again haha ledley king

  • 423 Santon03 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:43 AM

    vs city we could see Debuchy, Willo, Mbiwa, Santon as back four.

  • 424 Ben3arfa // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:11 AM

    Santon

    Pretty sure Debuchy is suspended lad

  • 425 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:45 AM

    I think there might be some news on Remy Cabella today.

  • 426 Ben3arfa // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM

    ^^
    i hope so

  • 427 70TWO // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:28 AM

    Our Toon
    You are dead right about Pardew but we have got him for at least this and next season. Which will be half way through his contract and a potential tipping point. I do think most people (except Hodgson) would agree that being in control is having a couple of goals over the opposition. Dominating possession does not always a signify ascendancy.




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