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Fans Deserve Better Explanation From Newcastle Than This One

2:19 pm, Wednesday, January 8th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 467 Comments

We looked through the minutes of the second Fan Forum meeting that was held on Monday night, and quite honestly we didn’t learn too much more about Newcastle and Mike Ashley, that we didn’t already know.

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Mike Ashley – free world-wide advertising for Sports Direct
 However, we’ll focus on just one question and answer that we think is enlightening.

And the question was fr0m NUST representative Peter Fanning – so we suppose the NUST have been included again in the Fans Forum after being banned after the first meeting for publishing their minutes before the club published theirs.

Here’s the question and answer

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Question from Peter Fanning  “Do Sports Direct pay the going rate for advertising, their adverts are all over the stadium?”

Answer: The club explained that the advertising boards in question were installed with Sports Direct branding as a showcase for unused space. Sports Direct don’t pay, but it would be sold if other advertisers wanted the space.

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That seems to just a ridiculous answer to us – and how do advertisers even know the space taken up by Sports Direct is even available?

Why don’t they put on the advertising boards something like – this advertising space is available – and who to contact.

And who knows the club may get some interested parties enquiring.

The image you get on TV when you watch the Newcastle home games is fa too many Sport Direct.com signs which seem to be everywhere – even along the walls where the two teams gather before they walk out onto the field just before the kick-off.

So this is a less than a good answer – and basically what seems to be happening is that Mike Ashley’s other company – Sports Direct – are getting free world-wide advertising and certainly in the US – this would not be allowed.

Compare this with the Manchester City club naming their stadium The Etihad, and they have a £400M deal over 10 years for that from Etihad Airlines.

But Etihad are owned by the Abu Dhabi government, and the airline has very close ties with Manchester City’s Billionaire owner, Sheikh Mansour, who is himself a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family.

It would be nice (and it would be fair) if Sports Direct paid Newcastle United say £10M each year, for that word wide advertising they are currently getting for free.

Or another way of pricing it  would be to understand what Newcastle will be asking for the advertising – and have Sport Direct paying that amount – backdated to when they started the advertising.

And who knows, maybe our commercial income will rise significantly from the pitiful levels it is at the moment.

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467 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    afternoon Martoon

    i said yesterday i was going to avoid the sack/dont sack discussion, but apparently i can’t :D . I posted a reply to your comments on a poll, but you must have just left your screen.

  • 2 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    Honest, Mr chairmen of the FA and also mr Bloke form the Monopolies commision… i just got the painters to paint random patterns in those colours, and it came out like that. Coinsidence really :D :D :D

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    not a great explanation at all…surely a local company paying just £100 is better than nothing, so why not let them buy it….unless some legal ramifications involving meeting a price others have paid.

    ian

    I am pleased pardew does all that post match stuff with fans, but thats a bonus, not the main requirement. He has done an average job I think and he needs to do more now with this team, had plenty time to settle now.

  • 4 catchy in norway // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    Rake

    our position in the league right mow is in spite of him not because of him,

    I could go through game by game and point out how his negativity has cost us points,

    the fact that he treat every game the same, regardless if its city or Norwich

    we have quality all over our pitch and on the bench, but shackles are put on them,

    playing man c away, yes be carefull, or they could paste you,
    but playing Norwich, at home, we should be going out to batter them,

  • 5 Ian Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    Transfer- in my time only Keegan and Robson have been better. They were also fully backed in the transfer market. Pardew knows what has to be done to grow and improve the team but has to be more patient in achieving it.

    Likewise so do the fans. The squad is the best we’ve had in years though still unbalanced. A Hall/ Shepherd would recognise that and invest in an attacking / wideman and ST. Where Ashley has scored over Hall/ Shepherd is in recognising Carr’s qualities in recommending the right purchases and Pardew agreeing.

  • 6 Ben3arfa // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    Markaccus

    i see your point mate I just dont get why a meeting of that sort is taking place 8 days into a transfer window and apparently during negotiations for other players. all seems so shambolic

  • 7 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Ed, this is the best NUFC site to be sure. However your leader today is disgraceful and suggests that at all times you are not researching the content properly. You posted :-
    “We looked through the minutes of the second Fan Forum meeting that was held on Monday night, and quite honestly we didn’t learn too much more about Newcastle and Mike Ashley, that we didn’t already know.”

    No wonder you didn’t learn too much as the minutes you are referring to are from September and not last nights meeting.!

  • 8 70TWO // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Transfer Sage

    What team, tactic or twist of fate would you like to see employed to see a positive outcome in the ManC game?

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    ian

    if carr worked for shepherd or hall there would have been so much success with their spending and his scouting, definitely a great match

    But my issue with pardew is entirely to do with playing style. You saw everton last year were a hard working team, very good at it but nothing special to watch (except the links between baines and pienaar), played a mix of decent football and long stuff to fellaini.

    Martinez turned them into a total ball playing side in a matter of weeks, that’s my issue with pardew, it doesn’t need to take years to get players who mostly come from ball playing sides to play well together, it should be pretty instant to get the basics of it then you refine it over time….he hasn’t got them anywhere near being able to play that way yet.

    Even under houghton we would attack teams, might have been direct to carroll/nolan, but we still had a go, this is way too cautious and the way pardew has played for a good 10 years so really dont see it changing i’m afraid. We might pass it more but never attack enough

  • 10 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    Ed a little research would not go amiss.

  • 11 nufcsg // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Dear fellow fans,

    I’ll be travelling to London from Singapore in April and it happen that nufc has a home match on the 19 April against Swansea. I’ve been dying to visit St James’ Park and to watch the team play in front of my eyes. As such, I would need some kind advice from the local Geordies for my trip.

    1. Ticketing – how do I secure my tickets and how early in advance can I purchase? apart from the club website, is there any other channels which I can get them at a discount?

    2. What’s your suggestion for traveling to Newcastle from London? Should I travel on the day before or match day?

    3. Accommodation? For a budget of GBP 80/night, do you have any suggestion? Or is the budget too low? I hope to stay somewhere near main attractions and the stadium.

    4. For a 3 days 2 nights stay in Newcastle, is there any suggested itinerary to share with me?

    5. Any other things to take note of?

    Kindly reply me in this chat or pm me at famerasser84@yahoo.com.sg . I would really appreciate your valuable advice and I’m so looking forward to seeing you at Tyneside!!!! Cheers!!!

    Steve

  • 12 lesh // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Ed… to update from the January meeting, it gets better than SD in isolation…..

    AMc: “We learned recently that Sports Direct don’t pay for stadium advertising. Has a new sponsor been lined up for next season who will pay?”

    The board outlined that the club is constantly working to bring in sponsors across all platforms and that if a company is willing to pay, the club will secure the right sponsor at the right value. It was outlined that partnering big brands is not straightforward and that multi-million pound partnership deals do take time.

    AMc asked if Firetrap, which advertises on LED boards, receives its advertising exposure as part of Sports Direct. It was confirmed that it is part of the same group.

  • 13 catchy in norway // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Ian Toon

    sorry but you have to put CH on another level to pardew, while CH may not have been anywhere near the 2 you mention
    he took a team that was had been torn apart, fixed all the fighting, and had a very good record

    he got sacked sitting 12th in his first season back in the prem, with fans and players kind of happy,

    he scored 105 goals in the championship and only lost 4 games

    the guy is head and shoulders above him when it comes to talking to the press, pardew ties himself up in press confrences, he can never remember what he said last week,

  • 14 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    The club is an advertising vessel for him, plain and simple, as we see with the monstrocity of his logo plastered everywhere and we are bottom of the expenditures for all of the Premier League clubs.

    The tripe that club comes out with is to just passify the fans to keep ploughing money into the club, similar to politicians and governments who are there to main class structure and capitalism.

    Only they know their true agenda. We get an idea of it through what is happening…

    *lower league, cheap manager who is fortunate to be in a job.

    *his own advertising literally everywhere

    *lowest outlay of all premier league clubs (which is good, but that cannot just be relied upon. It will only get us so far.)

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    70two

    I honeslty don’t know what you can do to beat man city, if they turn up and play 100% we can’t stop them, they are better, quicker, more powerful, everything they beat us at.

    What we need to do is make it as hard as possible for them to win. I’m not sure of the best way to do this really, but i don’t get paid a fortune to figure it out.

    Possibly the same side that beat man utd away, contained them (need mbiwa and haidara in without colo and debuchy though).

  • 16 70TWO // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    Would anyone perhaps be able to create a false email template, from say ‘Boots’ and test the waters at SJP as to minimal advertising package?

    Then that could be multiplied up to a figure that SD and associated branding should be paying. Or can they just be truthful and justify it as a perk of ownership, that offsets the verbal abuse directed towards Ashley.

  • 17 nufcsg // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    Dear fellow fans,

    I’ll be travelling to London from Singapore in April and it happen that nufc has a home match on the 19 April against Swansea. I’ve been dying to visit St James’ Park and to watch the team play in front of my eyes. As such, I would need some kind advice from the local Geordies for my trip.

    1. Ticketing – how do I secure my tickets and how early in advance can I purchase? apart from the club website, is there any other channels which I can get them at a discount?

    2. What’s your suggestion for traveling to Newcastle from London? Should I travel on the day before or match day?

    3. Accommodation? For a budget of GBP 80/night, do you have any suggestion? Or is the budget too low? I hope to stay somewhere near main attractions and the stadium.

    4. For a 3 days 2 nights stay in Newcastle, is there any suggested itinerary to share with me?

    5. Any other things to take note of?

    Kindly reply me in this chat or pm me at famerasser84@yahoo.com.sg . I would really appreciate your valuable advice and I’m so looking forward to seeing you at Tyneside!!!! Cheers!!!

    Steve

  • 18 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    Ben3arfa

    Ah i see. Fair enough. Yes the timing is b*ll*cks, like, isn’t it. We never move first.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    nufcsg

    1. i’d go for the official site, usually best prices and will be tickets available as we haven’t been selling out recently

    2. get the train booked in advance if you can as I just got a return ticket to london for £10 by buying it a few months in advance

    3. try things like travel lodge/premier inn (one right in middle of city), they are usually cheap again if booked in advance, have everything you need if you want a nice clean room, shower, tv and nothing more

    4. and 5….just have a look around tourist sites too see what there is, lots to do just depends what your interested are

  • 20 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    70TWO – 8

    I know this was for TS but i think we need to get out of contain mode. High pressure from the whole team. Play narrower if we have to, stop them playing through us.

    Take the game to them would be a start!

  • 21 lesh // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    The two extremes in owner support for a club:

    Man Citeh receives squillions from Ethiad (owned by the Citeh owner) and NUFC receive FA from Sports Direct!

    Where there’s a will etc.

    It’s no more than cynical abuse on Ashely’s part!

  • 22 croftus5678 // Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    i think they honestly know what they are doing “legally”
    he wants free advertising for his “profit” business and we are his childrens pocket money and play thing !

    ofc he wants us to do better as his kids will get more pocket money and advertising through press ect for sports direct if we do but if anything impacts on his main business in the loss of advertising ect he would have a little boys temper tantrum.

  • 23 nufc 11 // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    They may have sold naming rights to wonga but its walks talks and acts like it still is the sports direct arena you have to give him one thing he is razor sharp wen it comes to things like that. I can understand the fans will always want new signings and money to be spent but thats notting new if anything the fans would love to see the academy players been given a chance why was Dummet a LB played at CB derby and not looked at since? talk about confidence destroying Bigi the same JK should be getting these players hooked up with good clubs in lower leagues so they can develop what will they learn rotting in the reserves? notting its not sending out a good msgs to young players who might be considering joining nufc why would they?

  • 24 70TWO // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Man C game -

    Despite the hoopla around Fernandinho and Yaya Touré, they do not really dominate the midfield. When they have lost away they haven’t been closing down and allowed the opposition to test their defense. When we played them in the League Cup we restricted them for 90 mins and had some opportunities, so all is not lost. A positive attitude and some affirmation of what our players are good at could potentially lead to…… a draw!

  • 25 croftus5678 // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    what i find it hard to understand is that we all know that advertising boards dont come free and that to make a blank advertising board it would cost x amount to make but obv a printed/designed board would cost x amount extra so…who would be paying that extra cost ?

  • 26 70TWO // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    cjtoon

    Glad you chipped in, I posted the team from the League Cup match before which was missing Cabaye, Collo and Remy so there is hope.

    Offski

  • 27 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    70Two

    City haven’t been great on their travels this season, and you are right in your assessments of Yaya and Fernandinho. Much lesser teams than us have got a result at home to City and there is absolutely no reason why we should not be able to nick all 3 points.

    Having said that, City have come up here the last few seasons and pretty much upped it a gear. We’ve been able to match them for periods of the game, but never look like actually taking anything from the game.

  • 28 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:09 PM

    Basically, if what was said is true, it shows tha no one wants to advertise inside sjp, otherwise the sd signs would be few and far between. Either that or his rates are stupidly high (likely scenario)

  • 29 cbtoon82 // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    Nufcsg –
    When I travel over I get tickets from the official site. For none members they usually go on sale a few weeks before the game.

    Not sure about getting there from London, I would assume a train and booking in advance would the beat option.

    I stay in a place called sleeperz which is usually the cheapest place from £55 per night and very central. About 10/15 min walk from SJP.

  • 30 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    Markaccus @1 Aye I saw your reply but unfortunately I had to go and do some work. I think a lot of anti-Pardew posters are very vocal on here but I suspect a blog poll would be would be quite close with maybe just in favour of Pardew. I am not going to claim this as fact (like some on here) just a feeling I get from reading all the comments – come on Ed give us a Pardew poll.

  • 31 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    martoon

    Regardless of the results, you’d have that sociopath Ian running around with his ‘it’s not representative of the true fans whom I speak with in a pub in Jesmond, or when we went on our away trip to the moon’

    My own opinion is that Pardew is the best man we could probably get for the money that he is being paid. He is not a glamorous or exciting option, but decent enough to finish mid-table.

    Could we get better managers? Most definitely. Would they be willing to work under Ashley? Perhaps, for a while. Would they be willing to come out the constant drivel and PR spin every transfer window? Repeat the same old tired clichés following our defeats, as well as put up with the sheer contempt that our fans are shown by the current custodian of the club? Not likely.

    So I say we simply must make peace with the fact AP is the manager and focus on getting the fat ******* out of our club. Simples :D

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    Singapore Steve,
    Excellent advice from Transfer sage,
    If we’re going to discuss Septembers minutes we might as well start the soul destroying Andy Carroll debate.

  • 33 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Martoon

    I would worry that the result would make people think it proves who is right, rather than simply showing where the majority lies. For example, if like you say it comes out slightly pro pardew, will the pro pardew people start hurling “told you so’s” at the anti pardews. Likewise the other way. Maybe the only way to keep the peace would be to avoid it all together :D

  • 34 Ian Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Transfer- you make the point for me. Had we loaned/ signed Lukaku and Barkley it would transform the side. Martinez has landed on his feet.

    Just contrast the fortunes of Clarke at WBA who without Lukaku are a completely different side. A top draw ST makes all the difference. Look at ManU who without Van Persie and Rooney look mediocre.
    Hernandez who many wanted to buy is a very limited ST.

    Pardew’s hand has improved but he can’t dig too deep into the under 21′s and academy to find the quality of the top PL sides. You say he has had time and your right in respect of the need for a revolutionary
    change at the coaching level.

    I watched some of the St Mirren v. Celtic game on TV on Sunday and although Campbell scored he contributed little and looked like an infant in the seniors playground. Adam Armstrong looks like a real talent.

    The 5 year plan would only ever deliver from wise investment nurturing and blossoming of the youngsters. As well as bringing players in now is the time to shake things up with the shedding of those that just are not ever going to be PL players or coaches.

    We’ve had this conversation before- it’s not always the Manager to blame in football. I agreed with your Hoddle comments he talks more football sense than most on Sky and he actually says something to think about. He really is a big loss to the game in my opinion.

    Henry Winter is very knowledgeable but I suspect doesn’t want to always show it when surrounded by some of the hacks on Sunday Supplement.

  • 35 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Ciaran

    I actually laughed out loud at that post.
    Good one.

  • 36 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    I was beginning to think I was alone in thinking this. IMO we are in for some grief if this lad plays whilst Colo is injured

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/steven-taylor-play-ahead-mapou-video-evidence/

  • 37 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    York

    Tayler worries the $h1t out of me these days. Always seems one step away from giving a penalty away…… then holding his face.

  • 38 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    Yorkie

    So on the basis of one game Saylor should play ahead of M’biwa? Nothing to do with the fact that Saylor is a vastly inferior defender?

    Respectfully, I disagree.

    Markaccus

    I aim to please…well actually I generally aim to do the opposite, but I am glad you liked it haha

  • 39 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Mark
    Taylor has his faults but he is better than Mapou. We may find we should have signed a CD in this window, when it is too late.

  • 40 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Ciaran
    Don’t talk rubbish one game.

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:34 PM

    After reading the minutes of the forum – it appear that only one person was asking any probing questions – Andrew McClay -generally about the finances and advertising. He got the usual waffle/big company replies. In respect of the purchasing of goods for the NUFC shop -it was explained that a large amount of money when to SD in order to bulk buy goods -thereby incurring savings.
    This does seam a reasonable answer. However if I was Andrew McClay – I suggest he follow this up with a supplementary query in writing asking to be shown all the original (note has to be original as opposed to documentation prepared subsequently) documentation showing the transfer of the monies to SD then the equivalent/corresponding docs showing monies from the sale of the merchandise returning to NUFC. In reality the layman has no chance of identyfing “faults” in the accounts of large companies -however with a specific item -there is a chance.
    I suspect a lot of the reps do not know a lot about meetings and what they can and cannot say/procedures etc they may get better and more confident to the point that they could -when acting in unison -outvote NUFC.
    Another point – the replies of “the board said” is complete bollocks. This in it’s truest sense would mean that every board member has been consulted about the question. The accurate/true way of recording should be “Mr AB said (on behalf of the board) xyz.” Replies to questions need to be attributable to individuals and not this blanket “the board said”.

  • 42 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    Ciaran
    I suggest you actually go to a game.. I have refrained from getting involved in any of your posts, but you do talk rubbish

  • 43 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    Ciaran & Markaccus – fair points – although maybe we should have a poll on Ashley – Again I suspect the poll would be closer that you would think.
    On the subject of SD advertising I just consider it payment for his free loan. I simply do not believe they could not get other advertisers in a high profile premiership club who’s matches are quite ofter televised. I know if I was Wonga I’d be p*ssed off that there are more SD adverts than Wonga ones and they supposedly sponsor the team & the ground!

  • 44 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    York

    Touch a nerve there pal? Well if you’re proposing that Saylor is the better defender I am afraid you’re wrong. No need to get involved any more because this debate is open and shut.

  • 45 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    York

    I am affraid i have to say i think yanga is the better player. Yes he has made a few errors too, but i still say Taylor has been around so much longer yet still makes the same mistakes almost every game. He has never learned. You are not the only one who prefers taylor, so i respect your opinion but i do differ.

  • 46 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    martoon

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people still sitting on the fence about Ashley. For some of the gullible masses I fear that it would take nothing short of Ashley actually walking into the middle of St James’ Park, dropping his kegs and actually taking a dump on the ground for them to actually realise that he does not give a s**t (no pun intended) about us fans.

    Personally, I will keep on keeping on trying to put forward the message that Ashley is not good for this club, but he does a better job on that score than I ever could, yet there are those who will still come back for more.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

  • 47 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    Martoon

    A poll on ashley would need 3 options….
    Stay, Go and Stay but with somone else making the football decisions. I am not totally sure wether i am in the second or third camp atm

  • 48 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Ciaran
    Why don’t you read the article and my posts and come down off this ego trip that makes you think arguments are done because you say so.

  • 49 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Ciaran

    ….. or have a ?ank on sir bobbys grave

  • 50 Bearsize // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Yeah 10 million a season straight out his pocket and into his other pocket, the end ;)

  • 51 Ian Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    Catchy – Happy New Year. I am afraid I can’t agree other than Hughton is more articulate when talking to the media. The players always speak highly of Pardew and clearly respect him. It’s very obvious and not just the French players. I always felt that Chris lacked confidence in dealing with players but I recognise he has grown into the Norwich job. I always look for their results.

    Given a reasonable transfer kitty Pardew will put an attractive, season on season achieving side onto the field. We need to be patient to improve the quality of the back up players. Our best team is capable of getting results against the top 4 we need to shed the Ameobi’s , Saylor, Obertan etc and get an upgrade.

    I trust I will not have to speak to you after the Mackems game.

  • 52 mushy // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    For what it’s worth, here is my guess at Ashley’s thinking….
    Europa Cup qualification is a poison chalice. Earns 6m, but almost cost us Premiership cash.

    Top 4 CL qualification. Big leap requires massive invesment and massive restructuring. Huge risk.

    Therefore , cetainly for the short term, 6th to 10th is the ideal place to be.

    Given the above, why change anything?
    Ashley + Pardew +current investment = Ashley’s Ideal

    If we got a better manager, I think the equation would read….
    Ashley + Better manager + Less investment = Ashley’s ideal

    In summary, dumping Pardew for a better manager is like hiring a better band on the Titanic.

    Solution: replace Ashley or hope for a change of attitude.

    Easy eh ??

  • 53 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    York

    You’ve already said you don’t want to engage in my posts. I’ve read the article and it’s nonsense. The article focuses on 1 game, not their respective NUFC careers.

    Saylor is a liability, and has been ever since his play-acting days. He is simply an average defender. I don’t particularly want to have to explain why Saylor is worse than M’biwa, because that discussion is akin to explaining why the Sun is bigger than the Earth ie should not need explaining.

    Peace out homie.

  • 54 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:51 PM

    OK, Scenario One:-
    You are a large company with an advertising budget that includes sourcing posters and marquee displays at a top profile sports ground which will be visible worldwide thanks to camera feeds distributed around the globe by Sky, BT and British terrestrial channels with the exception of a very few low key cup games.. Very expensive.

    Scenario 2:-

    You are a large company that just happens to own said top profile sports grounds, complete with infrastructure already in place and running costs paid for. A lot less expensive.

    Q1 – Which one do you think Applies to SD?
    Q2 – If you were MA, why would you even think about selling all that subsidised global advertising and at the same time lose your own marketing?

  • 55 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    Mark
    That’s fair enough. Like I said I fear neither of them will be good enough to fill in for Collo, but I am of the opinion that Mapou will not make it in the prem .If I’m wrong it won’t be the first time.

  • 56 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    *with my posts

  • 57 Belfast // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    La la la la la Sportsdirect.com uks number one La la la la la la

  • 58 stuart no9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    The ad boards IMO are for sale , however the price would be that high it probably wouldn’t be worth the money , so it will brobBly never sell , so in effect the boards would probably not get sold , so SD probably do get free advertising for as long as they want – but this is something most people have known all along – haven’t they ?????

  • 59 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    Ciaran
    Do you really think this article was written on the basis of one game? He has written this using this game as an example. Which, I would have thought, was obvious to most.

  • 60 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Yes it is that obvious, so why discuss it any further – NUFC is Sports Directs advertsing vehicle, you wont see anyone else on the hoardings while they are in Toon.

    Whats todays argument?

  • 61 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Markaccus @47 – I suspect he was trying to do your third option with JFK but of course selected completely the wrong person for the job – as shrewd as he is Ashley doesn’t seem to be a very good judge of character.

  • 62 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    Ciaran

    I do think york has a point. You shouldnt dismiss anyone elses arguements regardless just because they do not match your own opinions. Both players have their limitations and have made mistakes and will make plenty more. Saylor can be a very good defender at times and just as equally poor the same could be said for MYM in his time at the club to date. Many would argue that MYM has far more to offer in the future but they are very different in style anyway. Besides It makes no difference what any of us think about any of our players Im sure most of us wouldn’t let obertan anywhere near the first team but that happens with alarming regularity.

  • 63 Belfast // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:06 PM

    They charged me £1.50 for a sports direct magazine that I didn’t order, the last time I got something from it. Bunch of swines. Should’ve sent it back and demanded a mug instead !

  • 64 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    York

    Yanga had a couple of outstanding games last season. A couple at left back too. He is young, athletic, strong and can only improve. I would go along with anyone who said his weakness is he can be naive, but that will soon disappear with regular games.

  • 65 Scottiedog // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25647507

    Tom Ince to Swansea :-(

  • 66 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1202031/JJB-chief-admits-wishes-hadn-t-accepted-1-5m-Ashley-loan.html

    This makes for interesting reading, our dear supremo up to some shady dealings.

  • 67 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Martoon

    Yes. He was trying to make a football decision, and ended up with one of his pearly king mates. He should have asked for advice on choosing a dof from someone at the club who at least knows that a football is spherical.

  • 68 Belfast // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    Tsunki could you please explain that one again ? I’m lost

  • 69 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Ancientcoptic

    Ashley will be in the next wall street film…..

    WALL STREET: PIES NEVER SLEEP

  • 70 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    As for transfers, I think its safe to assume there is a cap to the wage budget, eve if its in Ashleys head, it exists. This will not be high, as Mike hates overheads. This in turn means that there will be no big signings as such high profile players will only come for big wages. This is why when you look at all the transfer activity under Ashley, its been a bit of a bargain hunt and will continue to be so, continuing presence in the PL all that is required from the club and its staff to keep the advertising vehicle running on a shoestring, costs low and income proportionately increasing. In the scheme of SD, the club as a sports entity is very small beer. Until the econmoy of the situation changes for the worse for SD, this is how the club will be run indefinitely. Cups, League titles and such like will all be a happy by-product of this model if they should by some incredible chance occur.

  • 71 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Cj

    Just because you, or others feel he has a point does not mean that I have to. Saylor is a terrible defender and should be got rid of. There are better debates to be had than this non-debate.

    Such as does anyone anticipate and January sales (our players, not on the high street)

    Will HBA ever truly make it at NUFC?

    What has happened to Jonas/Marv/Sameobi?

    Does a quiet Jan window indicate that we won’t be selling in the summer?

    Etc.

  • 72 mindshaft // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    You can contact commercial.opportunities@nufc.co.uk who will be able to give you advertising opportunities within the ground and costs
    Can’t imagine it would be anywhere near 10 million
    Stoke City offer boards from £750 to £3,500 per game dependent on whether they are crowd or pitch facing and whether they are in camera line
    whereas Hull City charge £750 – £7,500 and Cardiff charge from £1,000 onwards
    I don’t know how many boards we have or how much we charge but say we have 20 in line of camera and charge 10k a pop, per game we’d be looking at …

    20 boards * £10,000 = 200k
    19 home games = 3.8 million

    Plus Cup and friendlies, although given that we are normally knocked out of cups instantly and would probably get little from advertising for friendlies I’m not sure they would count as much additional revenue

    Still, 3.8 million is not to be sniffed at although whether we could charge 10k or even have 20 boards is debatable

  • 73 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:15 PM

    I wouldn’t be quite so dismissive on Saylor after all he can play well and got into (admittedly a depleted) England squad not so long ago. However his best years are behind him whereas Mbiwa is the future.

  • 74 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    Belfast @68 -sorry mate, I will try again –

    W H A T I S T O D A Y S A – R – G – U – M – E – N – T ?

    :)

  • 75 Belfast // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

    I see dog face want’s 16 mill for Remy.
    Think it’s safe to say that deal won’t be happening…

  • 76 Belfast // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    Not sure Skunk only just arrived, been cleaning my spaceship all day….

  • 77 mag // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    The three stooges are meeting tonight to discuss transfers, plodder will be told to carry on fiddling whilst Rome burns, so don’t expect any significant moves in this window.

  • 78 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    Ciaran

    I wonder if jonas never fully recovered from his last injury.
    I think Marv has simply failed to make the grade. I know al about the assists thing last season but he actually contributes little else and becomes more of a hinderance imo.
    Sammy should get more game time, but i think pardew is still desperately hoping obertan becomes the layer manure want him to be.

  • 79 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Just been reading Nufc.coms assessment of the Cardiff game, makes pretty depressing reading, in so far as it could have been copied and paste from any game last season.

    What happens to this team that suddenly makes it switch off?

  • 80 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Edit

    Player manure wanted him to be

  • 81 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    Ciaran:

    It wasnt about that, the blog is for nufc fans discussing nufc matters.I haven’t read the article he was talking about. You may not think this is an nufc matter worth discussing just as others may not think the topics you have suggested are important. All i know is that there is no need to be such an arrogant self important t**t about it.

    By your logic that this is in fact a non-debate isnt everything we talk about a non-debate. Seeing as though we have very little impact upon anything that happens with nufc? MA stay or go, AP to sack or not to sack, team selection, transfers, ambition etc…

    Its all relative, if york thinks it has validity dont just dismiss him.

  • 82 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Mark
    As a supporter I hope you are right. I will admit he is better at full back, perhaps because he has fewer decisions to make as to taking up position, but that is probably a whole new topic.

  • 83 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Cj

    I gave my opinion on the topic at hand, I didn’t dismiss it immediately. York then came back at me almost as if to say ‘how dare you have a contrary opinion to mine’

    In response to this then I took an arrogant approach to the topic as it was a pointless area of debate. In my opinion of course.

    Your concerns about the way I handle other people is noted though ;)

  • 84 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Belfast @63…Bet that magazine had a canny centerfold.

    So…January 8th…have we had any major blog breakdowns yet? I wont inquire about transfers….

  • 85 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Ibiza

    It’s like to good old days, the irony of people on their high horse telling me to get off my high horse never ceases to make to laugh ;)

  • 86 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Ciaran
    My attitude was caused by your comment @ 38. You suggest that my opinion on Taylor was based on one game, which is disrespectful and arrogant, but it doesn’t surprise me you can’t see that.

  • 87 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Ciaran…He with the biggest horse…. :)

    Have a good Christmas and New Year or are you not allowed to enjoy things and be happy being such a negger? ;)

  • 88 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Ciaran:

    No its fine each to their own. i just find you have very extreme and pretty uncomprimising views. For instance you said:

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people still sitting on the fence about Ashley. For some of the gullible masses I fear that it would take nothing short of Ashley actually walking into the middle of St James’ Park, dropping his kegs and actually taking a dump on the ground for them to actually realise that he does not give a s**t (no pun intended) about us fans.

    Personally, I will keep on keeping on trying to put forward the message that Ashley is not good for this club, but he does a better job on that score than I ever could, yet there are those who will still come back for more.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see”

    I myself do not think MA is all bad for this club so i am now part of a “gullable mass”. It doesnt have to be so black and white (badah!) for a lot of us. Yes he has made plenty of mistakes but has done numerous good things too. People pick sides and ignore the points the others make. I dont think you need to be quite so ready to offend fellow supporters though.

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    When did we have those signings last year, was it in the last week of January, it took a disastrous defeat off Reading to prompt the last lot of signings, we’d have to lose the next ten in a row to be in any kind of danger, I think we’ll hear Alan roll out the deal wasn’t right for us and an overly articulate statement from media Joe in the matchday programme come the end of January.

  • 90 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    Markaccus

    Only just noticed your reply. I think the case with all 3 is that they are simply not good enough. However, Obertan surely must be included in the ‘not good enough’ bracket too.

    I read some drivel last night saying that we potentially have a 2nd string XI that could hold its own in the Premier League – surely one of the most ludicrous things ever written, when you consider that our 1st XI nearly got relegated last season.

    Sammy should be out on loan, as should Bigirimana – the forgotten man. When reviewing our entire squad, I must say it is quite poor.

  • 91 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    York…I just jumped in, but if you being offended was caused by that one post, I suggest you don’t chat with Ciaran…I mean…

    “Respectfully, I disagree.”

    …someone must have been rubbing his belly when he wrote that :)

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    Cj toon,
    The only good thing Ashley has done is assemble a half decent cut price squad. Give him a knighthood.

  • 93 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    Jail…That is unless a super deal can actually be struck…that wont be cheaper next summer.

    Come on now, just because we’re not facing relegation does not mean all hope is lost!

  • 94 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    Yorky
    No offence but i read post 38 as the article you posted was basing the opinion on one game, which reading the article is very much how it seems

  • 95 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    Ibiza,
    I see the irony in that post, very clever !

  • 96 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    York

    The article is based entirely on one game, the point of view is made entirely on one game, and not a single reference is made as to why Saylor should start ahead of M’biwa based on other games.

    Your point may have been based on other games, but the article was not. Seeing as how you made the point, then posted the article, I was led to believe that you were promoting the article – a poor article.

    Go back to not engaging with my posts because this is boring now.

    Cj

    Some of the masses are indeed gullible. Not intended as an insult, merely a statement of fact.

    Ibiza

    Bah! Humbug! Had a very nice, relaxing period at home, but now I am climbing the walls looking forward to getting back! haha How about you? In the land of…what was it again? haha

  • 97 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:43 PM

    Ibizatoon
    His posts have always irritated me, but this is the first time I have reacted, usually I skip his posts.

  • 98 Rotonda heights // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    I see Ian Toon is back with his usual patronising claptrap. How the hell do you speak for 52000 people on match day. Did you not hear the boos at the end of the game?

    Why don’t you go and hold your pardew love in with Carla and Pushy etc. Funny how they never appear on here after you were outed

    Hard conditions my foot. We have a great quad that most managers would jump at the chance to work with.
    I’m sorry but your credibility along with your multi invented ”friends” is shot pal.

  • 99 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Yorkgeordie
    I don’t believe you skip his posts, because love him or hate him he is one of the better posters on here, there’s certainly not enough quality on here to ignore certain posters writings.

  • 100 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Jail… That can’t be right! Clever?

    Ciaran..I believe “the land of fruit and nuts”…and yes, I am! A little bored tbh, but that kind of was the point….to get a rest. It’s working, i’ll give it that.

    York…Fair enough, but perhaps you’ve picked the wrong post to pick him up on? That one really wasn’t disrespectful, it even included the word “Respectfully” (with a capital letter and everything). I suggest a blog intervention for Ciaran…

    Ciaran…We’re here because we love you…

  • 101 bishopblaize // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    Don’t wanna sound like an Ashley but if he can do it can I?

    Can I please propose that I advertise my small buisness on those boards for slightly more the current FREE price?

    I can understand filling the empty spaces BUT yer telling me we the ONLY prem club without sponsorship? Bollo..xxx

    Where the Club marketing the advertising in those areas?

    Defo a raise for concern and must be ANSWERED correctly wether his club or not.

    We know investment can be made no matter how small .. Not FREE .. He be making a killin from em AND he still would with a Brand Change (SD would still be the 1st thing to mind regardless of the sponsorship)

    AT least the Board have been honest.

    MA will be grinning whatever the reaction. Its easy to see his moves going forward!

    Still better the devil we know if no one else in frame.

    Best BIT now is Man City fielding a proper squad for this evening League Cup and us spanking them @ weekend :)

  • 102 nufcsg // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:51 PM

    thanks transfer sage and cbtoon!

  • 103 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM

    Ibiza

    I know, I was slipping, which is why I had to make up for it by being an utter bell-end afterwards. I feel much better now, but so long as I have the support of the blog, I will continue to offend and delight ;) haha

    Well getting a rest is good to recharge the batteries, but sooner or later it gets a little boring and we need to get back at it. Were you home over Xmas?

  • 104 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    TDS
    I am pretty sure the guy who wrote this article was already of the opinion that he didn’t fancy Mapou and used this match to illustrate it. However we are getting away from the point. I saw the article as someone who agreed with me and, as I get the impression I am in the minority on this opinion, I thought I would post the link.

  • 105 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    J For A

    Come on, We are financially sound, We have very good ticket prices, We have a very good squad – the best since SBR was in charge (people have been saying it all day) and We have graham carr working wonders. He has tried to bring stability to a notoriously unstable club. Dont think he quite deserves a knighthood like!

    I was just saying that im sure a lot of people are undecided (or willing to wait and see) on Ashley and dont need to be labelled a gullible mass.

  • 106 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    York

    I then gave my opinion on your link/point and you kicked up a massive stink about it. Seems like you used a point made by myself to illustrate your disdain for me. Unfortunately for you, you chose one of my tamer replies to an opinion I disagree with, and now you look rather petty.

    Like I said a while back – Peace out homie.

  • 107 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Cj

    Well the problem with labels is that they are too readily bandied about. Because I won’t jump on this love-in that some people had earlier on in the season when we actually were playing semi-decent football, and because I actually do not like the owner, I have been labelled as a neggar.

    I don’t whinge and moan about it, despite the neggar tag being a wholly poor description of my ambitions for the club. The ‘gullible mass’ tag however, one could reasonably argue, is rather fitting.

  • 108 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    *replace “poor” with “inaccurate” – captures what I mean a bit better.

  • 109 swemag // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    I am getting this sneaky feeling that nothing will happen in this transfer window.

    It is indeed disappointing.

    We have the money. The players are there for the taking. We even have players to offload, we have the league and nothing else to think about.

    Do we really need to pay the wages of Obertan, Marveaux and Jonas? Do we really think that they will add anything for the future of Toon?

    Save the money and bring someone in. A striker and a midfielder would do.

    Thank you very much.

  • 110 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Ciaran…Balance has been restored then…please no more pleasantries in the future…just look what happens.

    I was in England for about 3 days early / mid December, but fled as quickly as possible :)

  • 111 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    Ibiza

    I’ve been back in Ireland for the best part of 3 weeks, and I won’t be leaving until Sunday. I love this country, but there really isn’t much happening haha

    I must try my best to be an odious little toad – Mark’s words not mine (TDSarf is Mark in case you missed me pissing him off last night haha) – in the future and remind myself that people get hurt when I try to be nice so I must not do it. Thanks for helping me through this quandary.

  • 112 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Ibiza
    You say fled but we all know you mean “was chased out”

  • 113 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Ciaran:

    How is that remotely relevant, its the same as myself saying I hate our playing style because its highly defensive, static and appalling to watch. That is my opinion – I am a ‘neggar’ too who cares?

    Its very different from calling anyone that either supports or is “sitting on the fence” regarding MA part of a Gullible mass. I would like to think im not entirely credulous just because i happen to think MA isnt the devil in disguise.

  • 114 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:09 PM

    Missed quite a bit while on my way home

    Ciaran

    Cheers saw your reply…. yes that is utter drivvel about our second 11 being good enough to hold its own in the prem. Thats just silly! Someone actually posted that on this blog?!?!? We are doing ok, about par for our squad, but no way could we feild a second string and get away with it. We wouldnt even beat Fulham or West ham, and they are playing awful football. I would rather watch out defensive style than those two.

  • 115 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Markaccus

    I am trying to remember who posted that, but it was posted yesterday – on the thread with 400+ comments. I might trawl through it and see if I can find the comment.

    We have 13/14 good players, some of whom are very good. Ie our 1st XI + Anita, HBA, Haidara. After that I would say the players behind that are poor/average (and that includes the likes of Marv and Cisse.

  • 116 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM

    Ciaran
    Yeah, whatever, shouldn’t have taken the great Ciaran only to be humiliated. Are you not the guy who took to the hills crying ‘leave me alone’, only to reappear in your present form. A disguise which was recognised almost straight away. What happened to the breakaway forum by the way

  • 117 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    It is very clear what Ashley does to the club imo….

    Every financial decision he makes brings home the bacon. Our monetary position just keeps getting stronger

    Every footballing decision he makes, and every half baked p.r. idea he has, make a total mockery of us. He has to leave football and fans to someone who has a clue, or he just has to sod off altogether.

  • 118 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    York

    Click Ciarans name. It leads to his blog. Thats why he changed his name, not because he was hiding from his old i.d.

  • 119 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Yorky
    Aye i get your opinion and why you posted the link, just saying i don’t the response was aimed at you directly, more at the article

    Have to say I’m not in the Taylor camp, looking at his fitness record and what you actually get from him I’d rather see a younger CB learning the PL aka Yanga getting game time ahead of a player who’s never really lived up to his billing
    He’s also probably one of the higher earners at the club and for me simply doesn’t contribute enough

    Looking at it from pairings i think you can only really look at it as Yanga is pressing for colo’s spot and Taylor for willo’s as yanga is too similar to colo to partner him and and the same for Willo and Taylor so if willo is starting then yanga should partner him

  • 120 JP...from The Rock // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:19 PM

    Boring! Same circulated crap again. I don’t give a shite about SD unless we get players ‘over the fcuking line’!

    Oh and ‘Arry fcunking Redknapp is mental if he thinks we are going to pay an extra 16M for a player that only last year was available for 8M. He is not worth 16M and his goals have dried up too.

    Redknapp what are you smoking seriously!?

    I can’t stand that ugly melted candle looking prick. I don’t hink Arsenal will pay that much either. You can keep him you twat!

    Remy’s good but he’s not spectacular and we can do better anyway. Mr Carr just go and do your magic and rub it infront of ‘arry’s disgusting face!

  • 121 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    York

    I freely changed my moniker to my actual name, nothing to do with being recognised. I’m not humiliating you, you’re humiliating yourself.

  • 122 Yohan Kebab // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    anybody think we could make a move for coentrao with santon going the other way?

    real madrid will probably want a decent second choice left back and coentrao wants game time, could suit all parties if we gave them a decent fee aswell?

  • 123 Yorkgeordie // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Mark
    yeah, I’d rather talk about football, but that seems to have gone out of the window

  • 124 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    I know now why I remembered it, it was because he was insulting me! haha

    Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    I have read that we have 13 or 14 strong players but beyond that we are very poor. Some people always want to knock mikey for the sake of it. We have a second string that includes the likes of mym, sayls, haidara, cisse, marv, jonas, anita, ben ten. We have never had such a strong squad in the history of the club after mikey last splashed the cash. In fact, I reckon we’re not very much short of having a second 11 that could hold its own in the top flight on any given day. Poor!? Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument. One things certain. Ciaran and co’s pension pots wouldn’t stretch so far.

  • 125 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    Markaccus
    But he has done that, he’s left the football stuff to JFK………oh dear!

  • 126 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Ciaran…I like this, this thread is turning in to a form of bio on you. Scintillating stuff!

    Tads…You got me…I was chased out :)

  • 127 lesh // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Oh dear, Mr Tuff, you’re being such a distrustful soul, even suspecting that there might be some misunderstanding on the cost price of goods from SD. That would never happen surely if NUFC is treated at arms length by SD, as a third patty unrelated business dealing at commercial and non-preferential rates. As may I add should it be in respect of advertising.

    A relatively minor point I’d picked up was that of a guy who bought something from the club shop and upon returning it, was told he couldn’t have his money back but would receive a credit note as the item would need to be returned to SD. What baloney! Assuming the item wad a stock item bought from SD and paid for by the club, and that the return was made to the shop within the sphere of consumer rights legislation, then a refund is an entitlement – not a credit note. In the buyer’s position, I’d research the legislation and take the matter up again, escalating through the media if necessary.

    Strikes me that that the Club’s Forum reps say the first thing that comes into their heads.

    This Forum, it’s aims including honest and open dialogue between the Club and its customers fans is nothing more than a charade where the Club’s contribution is absolutely nothing – well, apart from the veuue and tea and biscuits, unless there’s a charge for the refreshments!

  • 128 wolfshead@toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    ibiza

    chased out as in deported? haha :-)

  • 129 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Ibiza

    Disappointed that it didn’t start of with old Parky coming out with a big red briefcase saying ‘Ruddy Marveaux-lous, this is your life!’

    And enough of your sarcasm, it is scintillating stuff! haha

  • 130 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Jp

    Say what you really feel will you instead of sitting on the fence :D

  • 131 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Ciaran bearly anybody likes you. Your a sarcastic tw*t. I bet your parents don’t even love you.

  • 132 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    See belfodil has agreed terms with WHU over a loan move, good signing that tbf

  • 133 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Ciaran…Ha…another disappointment…oh wait, this isn’t my life ;)

    Wolfs….Yes, deported by the weather :)

  • 134 GraemeT // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Why does anyone expect us to sign anyone during this window? did we sign anyone in the summer apart from a 1 loan deal? has the club shown ambition lately to push on and move forward? I am not even looking at any of the rumours because i am sure come the end of the window the same text will come out that we tried but couldn’t get anyone over the line.

  • 135 mag // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Hopefully Ashley sacks old plodder at tonight’s meeting!

  • 136 ToonMatt // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    I hate the man with a passion and I can’t wait for the day he sells up and goes, There’s nothing I hate more then a liar, He will bleed this club dry.

  • 137 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Ciaran

    Looks like they had too many blue smarties. Wtf is he on about pensions for? Must have been a cracking night :D

  • 138 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Ibiza

    If the opinions that people are throwing out were recorded and played on national television it would one of the funnier/depressing episodes of This is Your Life haha

  • 139 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    Kevy…Is that a Chinese bear?

  • 140 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    ibiza,

    land of fruits and nuts? what brilliant mind coined that for you i wonder ? :)

  • 141 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    Markaccus

    Not a clue, given how I am still only in my 20s, I reckon if I took a pension plan out now I could have enough set aside to buy the club by the time I retire at 90 haha

  • 142 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    ….and I think it’s Lee or perhaps Lei?!? Have to say my Chinese ins’t good, in fact it’s non existent…perhaps JFA can help?

  • 143 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    @Ibizza Nope a Irish Chihuahua haha

  • 144 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Dok…Some crazy fool, running around saying I want your nuts…i’m a fru….

    ;)

  • 145 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Tads

    Yes. Oh dear. Oh dear indeed. JFK was summed up on here before xmas after he had released a statement.

    Someone said “somebody must have wrote that statement on behalf of jfk, because otherwise it would have been in crayon” i may have paraphrased a bit but that was the gist.

  • 146 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    Thomas hitzelsberger has come out of the closet. How many fans will be d1cks about it and hurl abuse?

  • 147 beefman13 // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    The big Dutch defender Virgil van Dyke looks a terrific player, he plays for Celtic, watched hi on half a doze occasions and he is solid as a rock, in the dutch squad as well, would be a very useful accuasition, of course AP saying lately we dont need any defenders, puts the kibosh on that idea, plus this window is already starting to wind me up with the usual goings on, MA get some money spent, how much money do you want for god sake ha ha.

  • 148 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    https://twitter.com/tweetsfromben/status/420965510285516800/photo/1

  • 149 Toon1978 // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Don’t even know why Ashley employs scouts. He never buys any bugger.

  • 150 beefman13 // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Listen here Tsunki and Ibiza, the Doctor Who`s of the forum, come clean, i did about being the rooster, games up bonny lads, get on the forum and sort it and put your fags down and get to the GYM.

  • 151 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    @Beefman13 I would rather jump in the river tyne than sign a player from celtic.

    Spl is worse than the ladies league ffs.

  • 152 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Ibiza

    Last time jfk tried to sign a chinese player, he ended up with a king prawn egg fu yung and a bag of prawn crackers.

  • 153 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    Welcome back Ibiza mate. I hear you’ve been tantalizing the ladies in California. Could you have a word with the Danish Dazzler for me? It’s possible I’ve offended him without meaning to. I hope your chest hair is still in good shape after being mauled by beautiful women.

  • 154 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France
    FLASH: @Nabil_djellit understands that Gladbach are very close to signing Paul Georges Ntep. More to follow. #AJA #AFC #ASR

    Bigger chance of De Jong leaving…not necessarily to us though.

  • 155 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    mark,

    he actually ordered some dim sum, and took it literally :)

  • 156 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    Kevy…Don’t get it.

    Mark…I’d say both Ashley and himself would consider that business well done :)

    Beefman…The Doctor Whos of the blog?? Please do explain :)

    Is this about multiple accounts? If so, I’ll never admit to anything…you’ll have to catch me first…muhahahahaha…*runs in to glass door*

  • 157 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France
    #Montpellier manager Rolland #Courbis has banned Remy #Cabella from talking to the press about his transfer situation. More to follow. #NUFC

  • 158 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    G2…Thank you kind sir, may I ask why you deserted me? It was a tough December and I could have used some extra manliness.

    Is there a complaints number or do I have to write in?

    What did you say to the Danish Dazzler? Fear not, he’s probably forgotten by now.

  • 159 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    Anybody see the latest drivel from our Arry about wanting about 16M pounds for Remy? What about the court case? Will we make an offer without knowing what will happen there? I’m not sure what Remy is worth in the open market these days. He scores about 1 in every 2 games so far in the Prem. He has looked out of sorts lately though. Resting on his laurels. He claims to want Champs League footy as well. Sounds dicey to me for actually signing him on a permanent deal.

  • 160 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Dok

    Dim sum has many varieties of stodgy dumplings. Ashley and Jfk eating that basically amounts to canibalism!

  • 161 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Huge computer problems in December Ibiza mate. Some nasty spyware got both computers at home. Paid about 360 euros to have them fixed. Still fuming about it since I paid big for an online security setup.

  • 162 lesh // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Ciaran.
    By your own admission you’re making s complete tw@ of yourself.

    You’re trying and failing to adopt different personality traits when posting, you’re being deliberately offensive and provocative – all the indications of Narcissisism, which many people find boring and irritating.

    You’ve clearly got a useable brain in between your ears but rather than channel its energy into such unproductive activity, why not try to put it to good use?

    Give yourself a break Ciaran, before your body and mind do it for your. Get a grip,

  • 163 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    G2…Sounds bad, you should have taken out the extra insurance. I believe the installments are €7 pcm ;)

    All sorted now?

  • 164 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    @Geordietwo I would tell arry to go f himself. It doesn’t look like Loic is to optimistic about joining either so I would go sign a striker now probably best bet would be Gomis then pick up someone in the summer.Maby get back in for Ba.

  • 165 Toon1978 // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    Sazzer

    The Cabella situation seems a tricky one. He obviously wants a move.

  • 166 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Doh!!!! Why didn’t I think of that Ibiza? This could be a new business opportunity for Manly Man Inc. Computer security! Brilliant mate. :)

  • 167 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    CJ,
    For starters do you think the cheap ticket prices are a direct result of Sar Mikes generosity or the fact that we would be woefully short on attendances if people had to pay more to see the dross his low paid mediocre manager serves up, and as for being financially stable, we are being held to ransom, once he has his money back and I’m under no illusions that a large chunk of that initial £ 130 M he paid for the club has been paid back already, then it is quite feasible he could sell every single player bar a skeleton squad get his debt back and hang us Geordie bstards out to dry.

  • 168 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    kevy @163 moving for a decent striker would be far too sensible mate. Ashley prefers to wait until we’re in deep doodoo, then panic and lash out at all and sundry. Then a good pissup in the yacht. Beautiful.

  • 169 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    G2…”Protect your computer like only a real man could” – Not long now until we’ll have the Manly Inc Arena…

  • 170 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    G2..

    cimputer security, as well as classes o nhow to hide unsightly porn sites from the missus would be a logical branch out :)

  • 171 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    If people on this article posted about football and not other posters there would only be about 15 posts!

    Speaking of which Ibiza is a mummy’s boy who only came back to blighty to help his mum get some new fence panels down B & Q!

  • 172 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    @Doktoon Steve jobs couldn’t even have thought of that ;)

  • 173 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    I’ve tried to warn people of the danger of confusing tads and TDS with TDsarf, say his name three times and he might appear :O

  • 174 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    kevy…

    ive already trademarked it, lol….

  • 175 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    Hang on beefman – Doctor Who? Am I supposed to be ibiza still? No, really I ant to know – AM I Ibiza? I am confused…

  • 176 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Ant? Want.

  • 177 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Rooster never threatened to knock as many people out as Beefman he must be a pansy !

  • 178 Markaccus // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Porn sites could be renamed so that when they are minimised, the look like innocent pages. For example “pearl necklace saga” will just look like a game!

  • 179 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    Tsunki
    We all know who and what you really are……….. Back to work Kinnear!

  • 180 Rake // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    @Catchy

    I don’t accept that we are 8th in spite of Pardew. He’s the manager his rights and wrongs have got us to 8th this season. Whether it’s more wrongs than rights to me it’s a nothing statement.

    Have you considered if we had a more attacking style of play from a new manager that the games we win from Pardew’s defensive tactics could be out weighed by us losing games going for a more attacking approach. Our defense when exposed often gets found out. Have you considered this may be why Pardew is defensive?.

    I’m not saying it is or isn’t it just seems to me that people have a large dislike of Pardew, I’m not a fan of his at all. I would like to see a good technical coach get the best out of some of our technical players. It just seems that people will find anything to slam Pardew.

    I would simply say that whilst he is here I will not personally berate him for every decision because I think we all agree he is an average manager at best. Yet some people judge him as if he should be peerless and out think every manager every game.

  • 181 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    DokToon that is inspired mate! You sound like Manly Man Inc. material! As for tads he’s been down south too long. Manly Man has the goods for you tads. A trilby, moustache wax, and tight leather pants with the Manly Man logo on the butt. You’ll look as good as you feel walking into the pub mate :)

  • 182 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    JFA
    Kind of like a boring accountant bogey man?

  • 183 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    Ibiza…Do pipe down, you’re embarrassing us!

    Tads…They don’t have a B&Q near my mums, we generally use Wickes.

  • 184 kevymartins // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    I’m jfk in disguise could somebody please tell Jail for Ibiza and Geordie 108 to go get me a wiener dog.

  • 185 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    Kevy…Post by post you’re making a little more sense. Keep it up, you can do it.

  • 186 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    Rake
    Great post, fully agree

  • 187 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    Wait…Was there a footballing post…oh alright…I’ll read it, but I’m not promising a comment.

  • 188 cjtoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    J For A:

    Either way we are the cheapest in the league which is good is it not? They would still be cheap should we not play crap football. but we are not frivolously frittering away money and paying over the odds for people which i see as a good thing too.

    I don’t want to speculate about what may or may not happen in the future. Im being optimistic hoping that something quite so extreme wont happen! And all i was saying is he has done some good things as well as many bad and im willing to see what the future brings

  • 189 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    Ibiza
    In that case i can’t mock you, wickes is just to damn good

  • 190 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Rake,
    I am no fan of our silver tongued lothario but I agree I can’t see any sense in the statement we are 8th in spite of him, maybe we could be doing a lot better but teams can’t manage themselves.

  • 191 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Rake…I back tads’ response to you. Problem is, you’re debating with a mindset of I’d rather be relegated playing attractive football…apparently.

  • 192 beefman13 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Yea you`s two?? morph from one Doctor to the next, and chunks is the slightly more aggressive version, Beefma being the more aggresive of the two with rooster, unless your on Teamtalk and it its all out War, well it used to be with me defending MA all the time, i dont do that now as he is an unsavoury character who even gets my back up on occasions!!

    I still dont think hes the Devil incarnate but he does what he wants to do with his money, and any money coming in to the Toon is his, it can be infuriating at times as we all know, but i suppose the club is grounded and on a level footing, i just feel we could push on more instead of squeezing every last drop out of our more decewnt players, its a long season quality reinforcements MA come on get you `slim`cheque book out. or you will have the rooster on your tail, Capiche!

  • 193 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    tads…It certainly is, but I bet if you try hard you can find something else!

    Jail @189…But I bet Ashley has contemplated the idea.

  • 194 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    cjtoon
    Do you think the ticket prices may have gone down because we’re not playing good football, haven’t been for a couple of years and due to all of Ashley’s PR blunders and general distancing of the fans along with sending out vibes that were not interested overly in cups and not Europe had led to the gate receipts slowly dropping?

  • 195 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    tads,
    Exactly like a Tax man bogeyman with a dangerous lack of accounting knowledge.

  • 196 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    beefman…All that meat is rotting your brain out mate! If I could morph in to someone else, why would I chose Tsunki?!? ;)

    As for Ashley…nah, forget it. Nothing new to add.

  • 197 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    Toon1978
    Yeah, we will see what happens with Cabella. It would be such a exciting signing.

  • 198 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    tads I see you as our George Smiley down south mate. Gary Oldman hasn’t a patch on you. We need some dirt on Arry to help us get Remy on a permanent deal. Can you work on that? Start with the foreign bank accounts with account names from his pets. I’ll back you all the way in case you get in a tight spot. Ibiza has a nice hideout for you in the sun as well.

  • 199 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    Ibiza
    Ahh poor catchy, he’s been saying we’ll be relegated under pardew since day one, by his maths we should be in league 2 by now!

  • 200 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    Well back to house repairs for me. Boring :(. Catch you all later.

  • 201 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Get French Football ?@GFN_France 8h
    According to @footmercato_net, #Montpellier and #Newcastle will meet in the coming hours to discuss Remy #Cabella. Very much unconfirmed.

  • 202 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    tads…Well, at least someones predictions are worse than Lawro’s…

    G2…Boring? Nothing more manly than house repairs! Embrace the moment.

  • 203 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    So I have a choice between being Ibiza or JFK. Well that’s easy…..

    :D

  • 204 jackostoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    Steven Taylor is utter bollocks

  • 205 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    JFA
    I kind of see him as that Frank bloke from the vicar of dibley now!

    G2
    Sorry but old ‘arry is a southern national treasure and is better protected than the royal family!

  • 206 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Indian Mag
    Be great news if true, really think Cabella could be the missing piece in our squad

  • 207 GeordieTwo // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    Some lovey bits of humour on here today. Keep up the good work lads. You’re absolutely right Ibiza mate. House fixup is manly by God! I’m feeling better already.

  • 208 Rake // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    @190

    I only responded as he addressed me. I usually avoid getting into debates on here because I’v seen so many deteriorate into nothing more than name calling.

  • 209 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    Just read the article and the basic fact is that Ashley is ripping NUFC off to the benefit of Sports Direct and still there are those who will defend the man

  • 210 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    I can see Hammers tearing City to shreds tonight

  • 211 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    Don’t want to see Mackems winning the Capital one cup. who knows with Inter and Milan we could see a Mackem in Milan.

  • 212 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    TADS

    Indian Magpie is dead. RIP

  • 213 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    tads
    Frank Pickle
    He is so boring that nobody listens to him, even when he tries to relate such momentous events such as “the time he went down to the pub and they’d completely run out of crisps”

  • 214 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    Letch

    I am indeed putting my brain to good use – no one who posts on this blog is putting their brain to good use, it is hobbie, a tool with which to unwind from our everyday lives.

    If you think the way I interact on this blog is any indicator of how I use my brain in real life then you are very sadly mistaken.

    As for being a narcissist? I think you’ll find that it was york who kicked up a stink, and then myself and Ibiza were having a laugh – an ironic reverse of the view that some people think I am narcissistic. Humour. Get a sense of it please.

  • 215 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Evening gents! Someone on this blog ages ago told me they wanted this shirt, but can’t remember who! Anyway, its the Inter Milan stylee one in near mint condition, size medium…

    http://www.dogonthepitch.co.uk/collections/new-signings/products/2009-10-newcastle-united-third-shirt-m

  • 216 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    JFA
    “It reminds of the time i went to St James park and they ran out of Bovril”

    HD
    You can run but you can’t hide from IM past

  • 217 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    Any news on Luuk de Jong? Would love him to be given a chance with the toon, although looking at the poll Ed put out, I see I’m not alone in thinking Ba or Gomis would be a better option…one of those 2 AND de Jong and a perfect window for me….plus a big strong CB please of the Helder mode :)

  • 218 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    JB,
    They don’t just defend him they think he’s some kind of hero, wait till he’s got all his money back and he asset strips us before selling us to one of his cronies in a deal that suits everyone but us.

  • 219 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    tsunki, its JFK every time.. at least you can get away with being a dumba$$ lol :)

  • 220 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    Really can’t understand those saying they wouldn’t take Ba back…best striker we’ve had since Shearer IMO and for people calling him a mercenary, money-grabber, etc, well he is not from Newcastle and a footballers career is a short one, so if you get the chance to play Champions League football at a mega rich and mega ambitious club on mega money, who would turn that down? The only situation I can see any player turning this down is when the player has loyalty to their club, but in fairness this happens very rarely nowadays with players representing the club they support or the club who developed them, AKA Shearer, Le Tissier, Scholes, Terry, etc. No other player for me has the same kind of loyalty, look at Rooney for example, playing for the club he supported as a boy and was off in a flash

  • 221 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    If we don’t sign Cabella, we’ll be in for Gourcuff. Ba and Doumbia would be my first choice strikers to go for. Gomis and De Jong aren’t as efficient.

    Big Hitz is officially bent. The only good thing he was at was shooting from 30 yards. He’ll be doing plenty more shooting now he’s retired.

  • 222 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Looks like Debuchy’s off to PSG on loan:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/359509/PSG-ready-loan-bid-to-bring-Newcastle-defender-Mathieu-Debuchy-back-to-France

  • 223 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    Kets…Yeah, it looks real likely.

    Dok…Do I not get away with it then? ;)

  • 224 Thump // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    @Kets: Thank God that’s the Star. I was almost worried for a second.

  • 225 scout // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    Someone who remembers HELDER big barrel chest on him haha class

  • 226 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    scout – never understood why we didn’t sign him permanently, was a beast and one of the best centre backs we’ve had of late and their aren’t many! I would rate him, Coloccini (on a good day) and Woddgate as out top three post 2000…before that Philippe Albert was the boss :)

  • 227 DokToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM

    ibiza,

    in spades, lol :)

  • 228 scout // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    jail
    Get back in your pram son. Asset strip us…..get a grip

  • 229 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    It’s a sad fact but a few good results all seems to be forgiven by some, while the pro-Ashley happy clappers are in dreamland as the big cuddly one continues to shove it in with no lube in sight.

    Considering we owe him a hundred plus million, which he leant the club out of the goodness of his cholesterol strained heart you’d have thought that he would be selling every advertising board in sight to make himself money?

    Or maybe, just maybe it’s worth far more to SD to be getting all this free worldwide advertising?

  • 230 scout // Jan 8, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    Quality mate. Always remember my grandad comparing him to some beast he worked down the pit with

  • 231 scout // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Must say with the advertising issue they say no one else wants it?? So where is it advertised For Sale and what’s the price. Coz whatever it is he should be paying it into the club from his own pocket IMO

  • 232 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Remy “Lolcat” Cabella:
    http://billgx.edublogs.org/files/2012/02/tomslolcat-1siwjyg.jpg

  • 233 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Scout…haha :D

  • 234 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    scout

    Why would he pay for the advertising when he can get it for free?

    He knows we will do nothing about it, so whats to stop him?

    NUFC is nothing more than a side project to SD. Lets see what he does with the additional £30 plus million we will get at the end of the season?

  • 235 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-fc-understood-luuk-6482108

  • 236 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    I don’t really get the advertising thing TBH. If he owns the club, which he does, does that not automatically allow him to use it to advertise? Out of decency yes he should pay something. But if you own a car you can stick your own advert on it, yeah? Not defending MA but you get me drift?

  • 237 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    De Jong and Cabella would be a step forward. That would relegate Gouffran to the bench.

    Krul

    Debuchy Mbiwa Coloccini Santon

    Ben Arfa Sissoko Anita Cabella

    De Jong/Cisse Remy

  • 238 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    I suppose what I mean is if MA paid for it, would he not just be paying himself?

  • 239 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    Subs:

    New keeper
    Saylor
    Haidara
    Tiote
    Cabaye
    Marveaux
    Cisse/De Jong
    Gouffran

    Still feel we need 2 strikers.

  • 240 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    roblee7

    As the sole owner of the club he can basically do what ever he wants with no recourse. But the infuriating thing is that he is benefiting personally from advertising Sports Direct for free while costing NUFC a fair amount of revenue as a direct result. Legally he’s doing nothing wrong although he is robbing NUFC and putting the profits into the pockets of the SD shareholders and his own

  • 241 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Kets

    I think Marv will be off this month as he’s not in pardew’s plans it would seem

  • 242 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    scout,
    pram ?, it’s very feasible, nobody is ever going to pay him what he wants, so when he’s got his money back, and I mean all his money, he could quite easily completely strip us then sell us for a pittance, don’t be so arrogant.

  • 243 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    JB. That makes more sense cheers :). If it was a case of the more money Sports Direct make the more money goes in to NUFC then I guess nobody would have a problem? I know unfortunately that is not the case though :(

  • 244 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Roblee
    Not really IMO because it’s sports direct that’s advertising along with many other businesses that he’s a share holder in and he’s basically conning the club out of a few mil a season, SD paying NUFC isn’t Ashley paying himself

  • 245 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Or could MA claim because he cleared our debt of 110million or so he is entitled to it? Or does he want that money back through player sales, etc?

  • 246 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    I wonder how much Fire trap are paying, where has the revenue gone ?

  • 247 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    JFA
    Some one posted something apparently from the minutes that Firetrap was addressed and confirmed to fall under the same blanket as Sports Direct

  • 248 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Sports Direct, and any of their affiliate groups – including Firetrap, do not pay a single penny for advertising.

  • 249 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    RobLee,
    There’s the misconception, we we’re in debt 80M by all accounts, his ridiculous handling of the club when he took over got us relegated, what did he do, apologize and take it on the chin, he threw 50M at the problem and charged us, a debt I haven’t seen reduced despite the top earners being cleared out, the free advertising and the profit from transfer sales.

  • 250 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    roblee7

    If he were to advertise SD in return for writing off the debt we owe him then fair enough, but Ashley wants it both ways.

    Sports Direct pre-tax profits in July 2013 up 40% to £207.2m and sales up 30% to £2.19bn.

    When you think that he could pay for the advertising he’s currently getting for sod all, the outlay from the SD profits would not even be noticed

  • 251 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    tads,
    So that means no then ?

  • 252 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    JFA
    Got it in one!

  • 253 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:26 PM

    JFA JB. So basically he’s a tight greedy tosspot?

  • 254 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Jail

    Every company that Ashley owns outright or partially owns are all held under the same holding company, meaning that any company that advertises at SJP and comes under his holding companies name will get it for f**k all

  • 255 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    roblee7

    tight fisted is an understatement. His greed knows no bounds

  • 256 roblee7 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    Haha :)

  • 257 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    “Not a clue, given how I am still only in my 20s, I reckon if I took a pension plan out now I could have enough set aside to buy the club by the time I retire at 90 haha”

    Ciaran’s comment is simply absurd but I suspect he half believes it. My point anyway, as he well knows, is that he wants Mikey out, but he’s not prepared to risk any of his money. Once he’s built up a hard earned pension pot over 25 years or so, and a family to support like Mikey has, he will no longer be quite so naïve as to invest it in a football club and then spend big every transfer window. The joke is that he marches to get rid of Mikey, but hasn’t a clue who would take over and can’t afford to himself, with or without the help of his mates.

    It’s well seen he’s in his 20′s. He’s still trying to work out who he is never mind understand that inflationary growth will increase the value of NUFC just as much as it will increase the value of his poxy pension pot, which will be like a flee on an elephant’s arse in comparison.

    He ridicules my point that we have a very good reserve team, the best quality squad in our history thanks to Mikey. I’ve asked him if he blames Mikey for this but he doesn’t like any hard questions.

    He prefers not to engage with me but won’t say why and yet he criticises NUFC for their refusal to engage, to answer straight questions and to speak openly. If he wants to big the big knob of the blog, which he clearly fancies himself as, he really should man up.

  • 258 beefman13 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Mikey owns firetrap, i personally think its scandalous, its withholding money from NUFC and benefiting Sports Direct, hes mega out of order.

  • 259 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Ciaran says Sport Direct don’t pay a penny for advertising. Can he explain why Mikey would not have NUFC charge SD for advertising when he owns 100% of NUFC but little more than 60% of SD?

  • 260 scout // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Jail
    I didn’t mean to cause any offence. Sorry mate

  • 261 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Not only is Ashley getting his advertising for free, the NUFC fans are essentially paying for it.

    Somebody is paying for that advertising space, either an advertiser is paying for it, or the fans are paying for it in lost revenue.

  • 262 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Ancient – What’s the answer to my question @258?

  • 263 Novocastrian66 // Jan 8, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Blackey; good point well put.
    What bugs me about the advertising situation is that; the club says it has to be self sufficient and the transfers etc have to be funded from the clubs income. This is fair enough, yet it does not actively seek to increase revenue streams by selling advertising space. The club would rather give it away for free, therefore restricting the clubs ability to grow.
    Ashley must have targets for the financial growth of his companies. What are his targets to increase the financial capabilities of Newcastle United to allow the club to compete at the top table?

  • 264 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    B&B…Basic maths really. For the sake of simplicity…

    1% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

    As for “Ciaran’s comment is simply absurd but I suspect he half believes it.” – I think you’re on to a winner there. Ciaran believes he’ll buy the club with his future pension! Give over.

    From your comment, should we assume you think Ashley is naive then?

  • 265 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Can Ciaran tell us how much Mikey has taken in earnings and dividends from NUFC compared to the previous regime? It’s surely relevant to his arguments.

  • 266 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    Blackley @264…Relevant indeed, but only if you find a way to incorporate how much Ashley has received from SD which has benefited from free advertising at SJP.

  • 267 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    blackley

    well in the fan forum meeting with the club they confirmed the club do not pay for advertising. Also it’s such a small amount it makes no difference to ashley if his 3billion pound company pay us a few mil a year but they dont as the club have admitted.

    Ciaran, York, Markaccus

    On Saylor, he was very promising 5 years ago, since then he has not made more than 14 games a season due to injury. Given he was an average centre back with potential to be good he has totally lost that through lack of fitness. He is an all action, body on the line player which is no good if you body doesn’t work.

    For me Mbiwa makes mistakes (I said he’d never make a prem CB at start of the year) but i think I am wrong on that now. I like the lad, I do think he has a habbit of dropping a yard and not holding a line very well and occasionally losing his man in the box but he is cutting this out a lot compared to when he started.

    I prefer mbiwa to taylor now (especially as willo is the big, aerial cb along side him) and think with age/injuries on mbiwas side he will only continue to impress more and be better.

  • 268 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    ibiza and blackley

    The previous regime took money out of the club, more so than Ashley has I believe, but that doesn’t make either right to do so.

    I think the advertising is an issue but don’t know how big an issue as how much could it generate, some advertising is sold/taken by league/club sponsor too so i’d like to know what the average club makes before passing final judgement.

    Either way though it should be sold, even if a small fee as anything is better than nothing

  • 269 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    Blackley
    ”explain why Mikey would not have NUFC charge SD for advertising when he owns 100% of NUFC but little more than 60% of SD?”

    I am assuming because he is making more money from keeping the advertising situation the way it is.

  • 270 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    Ibiza

    I don’t follow your maths; you might have missed my point. Lets say Ciaran invests his pension pot in NUFC and owns 100% of NUFC. Let’s say he owns 60% of another business and you and I own the other 40%, two completely unrelated parties. Surely it’s a no brainer for Ciaran as owner of NUFC to have it charge fully the jointly owned business for services NUFC provides to it? If it doesn’t Ciaran loses and we benefit.

  • 271 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    I smell a WUM and not a very bright one it seems

  • 272 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    I was just about to say that Yaya Toure looks like he’ll be out of our game as he went off injured…..but he’s returned though!!

  • 273 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Pardew’s a plonker. Preferring Obertan to Marveaux. It’s a disgrace.

  • 274 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    blackley

    The club confirmed that sports direct and it’s affiliates don’t pay a penny for advertising, it’s the quote in ed’s article and little more detail of it is in the fan forum meeting minutes.

    Whether it makes sense or not it’s the situation.

    Also sports direct i worth 4.4 billion, see article below, making a 200+mil profit last year, so even charging 10mil for advertising would have little to no impact on advertising. The fact they pay nothing is unacceptable in my view.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10301135/Sports-Direct-sales-surge-18pc-as-it-heads-for-FTSE-100.html

  • 275 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Blackley why would Ashley want to pay 60% of advertising, when he can get it for free.

    Sure the debt stagnates, but guess who has to pay that debt? Not Ashley!

  • 276 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    kets

    100% agree with you on that…i can see him picking jonas over marv as he likes hard workers. But not only is obertan useless, he also does work hard or track back properly like pardew wants his wingers to do.

    Blackley

    When you think how many tv/radio/online adverts do you see for sports direct? loads….they won’t be cheap, so surely we deserve a cut too at newcastle.

  • 277 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    Ancient – My question to Ciaran is how is it better for Mikey not to charge SD when he owns 100% of NUFC and only 60% or so of SD? If £1m passes from SD to NUFC for services rendered, SD loses £1M but Mikey’s share of that is only about £600,000, whereas NUFC gets £1M (Mikey’s wholly owned pot).

  • 278 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    TS

    I hear what you’re saying but what’s the answer to my question?

  • 279 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    I’m not an accountant but I thought you could claim advertising as a legitimate expense against tax. So surely if SD paid us for advertising they could offset it against tax and it would give us an additional revenue stream – everybody wins or is it not that simple?

  • 280 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:19 PM

    I know Manchester city have a big squad. But this is more or less the team that I expect they will put out against us.

    Lets see if they come up with the tiredness excuse if they fail to beat us.

  • 281 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    blackley

    I honeslty don’t know, but there must be some benefit to Ashley doing it this way or why wouldn’t he do it your way?

    It could be to keep share holders happy, show he can get free advertising, it keeps people talking about sports direct when they see the signs, people write articles, does more to get the name out than the actual advertising if that makes sense?

    It could be that, say an estimate of 3mil they could pay to advertise for a year, is such a trivial amount that whehter he gets 100% or 60% of it is such a small amount to him it’s like us arguing over whether we get an extra 1p on our pay or not.

    i really don’t know the answer, just speculating, but the situation is clearly spelled out from the club so there must be some benefit to ashley

  • 282 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Ancient – Based on his shareholdings of NUFC (100%)and SD (60% or so), if Mikey has NUFC charge SD for advertising, surely Mikey would be better off?

  • 283 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    Advertising cannot fully be written off as a legitimate expense as it is directly linked to profits percentage

  • 284 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie
    Don’t know how much Ashley has put in taken out

    Don’t know how much Hall and Shepherd put in but I can tell you how much they took out….

    Sales of shares by Cameron Hall, Sir John and Douglas Hall’s company:

    December 1998 Sold 6.3% to NTL: £10m

    December 1999 Sold 3.26% to NTL: £5.28m

    December 1999 Douglas Hall sold 0.39% to NTL: £0.57m

    June 2003 Sold 11.4% to Newcastle United itself: £4.5m

    Total earned by Hall family in sales of Newcastle United shares £20.35m

    Sales of shares by Freddy Shepherd Nil

    Shepherd and his brother, Bruce, have increased their shareholding, via their company, Shepherd Offshore, from 7% at the time of flotation to 28% now

    Dividends paid by Newcastle United plc to shareholders 1998-2005

    Total to Halls: £13,698,280

    Total to Shepherds: £5,489,239

    Salary packages paid

    Year Hall Shepherd

    1999 £23,533 £23,533

    2000 £35,000 £75,000

    2001 £110,000 £232,868

    2002 £524,257 £591,639

    2003 £591,667 £668,920

    2004 £635,465 £717,145

    2005 £495,951 £552,954

    Total £2,415,873 £2,862,059

    Totals made from Newcastle United 1999 to 2005

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451

    Figures compiled with assistance of Ian Ferguson from http://www.nufc-finances.org.uk

    Totals made from Newcastle United in a 6 year period

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451
    That equals over &7 million per year

    AND

    In summary what Shepherd left was a club that was losing over £30m a year, had debts of £70m, had no assets they could borrow more money against, and had a set of players on long, lucrative contracts. Ashley can get rid of the debt but the £30m annual losses with over paid players will take longer to sort out.

    came from http://www.nufc-finances.org.uk

    but don’t know if website is still available

  • 285 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    ‘ If £1m passes from SD to NUFC for services rendered, SD loses £1M but Mikey’s share of that is only about £600,000, whereas NUFC gets £1M (Mikey’s wholly owned pot).’

    Yes, but 600k would be coming out of Mike Ashley’s pocket… that is money going from Ashley to Ashley.

    If he does not pay anything for advertising, the club debt stays where it is, meaning that Newcastle fans will have to pay to clear the debt. > Money going from NUFC fans to Ashley.

  • 286 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    blackley

    or possibly he genuinely wants to sell the advertising space to a totally separate company, but if he has it tied to an official contract with sports direct he won’t be able to break that contract if another company wants to pay?

    also, if that is the case, maybe he can’t drop the price to sell to local companies as there is a set price which other companies have bought into and could challenge/sue if we offered it for less to others?

    I simply don’t have any info as to why?

  • 287 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Not bad for a man that couldn’t even walk 5 minutes ago

  • 288 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    jack

    the odds i could get for man city to win 5-0 tonight were 16-1…….a west ham win was 14-1

    it’s going to be close to double figures if they keep pushing

  • 289 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    The bottom line is that NUFC is a short term project for Ashley, SD is something he will be associated with for life (probably) MA is looking at the big picture, we only fit in as a marketing tool for SD

  • 290 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    Sage

    16-1 was well worth a few sheckles mate, hope you took it???

    At their best City are terrifying, if they could play like this away from home they’d have the league wrapped up by February

  • 291 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    jack

    i didn’t take it…..i took 7-0 and 45-1

  • 292 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    TS – My point was to Ciaran because he is taking one aspect and using it as a stick to beat Mikey with when he doesn’t know the full picture. Perhaps Ciaran can explain why someone would do something like that when, on the face of it, it is counter intuitive. Again to Ciaran, how does Mikey compare to previous regimes in terms of extracting money from NUFC through dividends, fees and bonuses? I can’t recall Ciaran ever mentioning it but I don’t keep a track on him.

  • 293 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Poor defending by Johnson though, bit scary thinking that this is the team we play on Sunday!!

  • 294 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    jack

    I really find it odd city can’t do this away from home. Getting big wins at home is usually hard as teams come and park the bus, away from home teams will attack them so should have tons of space.

    Basicaly i don’t know how home or away makes much difference, often have away fans singing loud in a lot of games as they are hard core fans and a lot of home fans dont sing, at any club really.

  • 295 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Our Toon

    I’ve said for a while that the only reason we have concentrated our transfer activity in France is simply because Ashley has gone over there with SD to take on Decathlon in their own back yard.

  • 296 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    JB – so how much could they claim? – still seems like a legitimate was to channel money from SD to NUFC. Also yes Toure doesn’t look injured now – shame!

  • 297 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    *way

  • 298 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Negrado tackling Diame on the edge of the box in citehs half!!

  • 299 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    JB…I think you’re right, WUM of the highest order.

  • 300 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Sage

    It’s a good job they don’t play like this away from home as the league would already be close to being over.

  • 301 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    blackley

    fair enough asking the question i guess….but if it is confirmed by the club now, not just speculation as a lot thought, there needs to be some pressure put on Ashley. Local papers should really get stuck in seeing as they are banned, he can’t do much worse for them can he.

    Do you have nay ideas why they are doing it this way? as you say it is counter intuitive yet it still happens.

  • 302 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    our toon

    i’ve said this about negredo before…it shows attacking players can still work very hard, same as rooney does, and still be a huge influence in the final third

  • 303 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    JB

    My hope is that Rangerd continue getting promoted and the fat one sells up, even rangers can compete in the French market!! SD advertising is one thing, now our ground is being peppered with Firetrap, MA’s new venture

  • 304 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Blackley, in your scenario and using the numbers you stated.

    Ashley would be getting 400k from others invested in SD, but NUFC would be 1 million better off.

    If we are 1 million better off, that is 1 million cleared off the debt he is owed. 600k of that coming from his own pocket.

    If he carries on getting advertising for free, the club still owes him 1 million. (While he would not get that 400k, he would stil be owed 1 million by the club… and none of that debt would be coming from his account)

    So he could squeeze 400k out of SD, or he can keep things as they are, and have 1 million owed to him.

  • 305 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    martoon

    I’m not sure of the exact percentage but basically any advertising will lead to an increase in profit/revenue so it is then subject to a taxation charge. There are loop holes there that will reduce the overall percentage you’d have to pay but it’s not a tax right off by any means

  • 306 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Our Toon

    Don’t worry City will be tired.

  • 307 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Ibiza

    i can spot them a mile away now mate :D

  • 308 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    TS

    Agreed mate but it must help that his team has the philosophy of score as many as possible, under Mancini they’d be smoking there cigars now!!

    Kompany & Yaya Toure are the only 2 players Citeh would miss the most if injured

  • 309 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    JB…Quite a talent…I just wish I could manage to remember to not engage with them!

  • 310 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    blackley

    to pick you up on this point to ciaran

    Ciaran’s comment is simply absurd but I suspect he half believes it. My point anyway, as he well knows, is that he wants Mikey out, but he’s not prepared to risk any of his money. Once he’s built up a hard earned pension pot over 25 years or so, and a family to support like Mikey has, he will no longer be quite so naïve as to invest it in a football club and then spend big every transfer window. The joke is that he marches to get rid of Mikey, but hasn’t a clue who would take over and can’t afford to himself, with or without the help of his mates.

    None of us can afford to buy the club here, and if anyone can please do, but if ciaran believes ashley is bad protesting to get him to sell is not a bad idea for him.

    We don’t need to have our own buyer lined up, the protest was designed for ashley to put the club up for sale at a realistic price and to have people involved look for a buyer. Thats what happens when selling a lot o big businesses, you have people actively look for interested parties then open discussions.

    I’m not saying it would work but that the only way the club will be sold, for ashley to decide to sell and look use professional companies to enquire and look for buyers.

    whether we agree or disagree ashley should go i think that’s how the club would be sold

  • 311 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Our Toon

    If Mikey’s NUFC ownership was all a marketing tool for SD, Mikey has lifted a 10 ton stone to retrieve a sixpence. If Mikey and SD had kept an arm’s length relationship at all times (in other words Mikey had not bought the club) SD could have had all the benefits that NUFC provides for a fraction of the cost that Mikey has incurred and none of the high risk and headache. NUFC is Mikey’s rich man’s toy. He loves the power that being Mr Newcastle United brings. The SD connection is secondary, though not unimportant.

  • 312 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Our Toon

    Well he already owns a fair percentage of Ranger, plus he owns the naming rights to Ibrox (good luck trying to get away with renaming that ground) so it’s not out of the question that he will one day sell up here and move further north as they will be back in the champions league long before we will and that will give him the revenue he desires and even bigger exposure to SD

  • 313 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    Ibiza

    They are like ugly womem when you’ve had too much to drink, you need your mates to drag you away to stop you making a fool of yourself :D

    I’ll keep an eye out for you mate :D

  • 314 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    our toon

    I don’t think Ashley will ever sell us and go to rangers, it’s not worth it. The top clubs in scotland don’t make money and also barely get any tv time around the world, tiny audience compared to the prem.

    And since the club is currently running at a profit/break even and we just get an extra 20-30 mil a year not i see no reason it would ever cost him from his own money again, and he gets much greater airtime from newcastle.

    Even if rangers get champs league they won’t qualify for group stage every year and even if they do they won’t be high on viewing figures.

  • 315 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    JB…You are a gent!

  • 316 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Blackley

    To get SD to grow as much as they have in as little time they have can only been done with massive investment, don’t forget due diligence is what messed MA up, a rich man throws money around especially when it comes to his toys, he doesn’t look to make them self sustainable

    The growth of SD globally would have cost a heck of a lot all the advertising in the world couldn’t buy the notoriety he gets from being associated to NUFC!! NUFC was known around the world and now SD is known around the world!!

  • 317 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    jack

    “These annual results show that in the year to end June 2013, turnover increased by £24.48m to £75.82m, which, after operating expenses of £62.71m, produced an operating profit of £13.10m and retained profits after tax of £9.74m, compared to a loss of £7.37m in the previous year.

    “This is not only a highly satisfactory result, but represents a five-year record profit. Consistent with such a robust financial performance, our net cash at bank position at the year end was £3.76m, an improvement of £6.53m from the same time last year.

    http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=2697/title=celtic+post+47.7%25+increase+in+revenues+

    It’s still not making them that much money at celtic, newcastle is a much safer bet with the new tv money as no way will celtic get to the last 6 of the champs league very often so surely rangers will be the same/worse off.

  • 318 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Ibiza

    do you think we should warn the others on here off the fat bird? or let them carry on making fools of themselves?

  • 319 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    JB…Well, with great power does come great responsibility…but maybe just hold out a while…there’s not much on tv right now

  • 320 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    TS…I was with you until you said Newcastle and safer bet…. ;)

  • 321 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Anyway, I’m off out.

    Remember, you can play with the WUM, but don’t get it wet or feed it after midnight.

    Bye for now.

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  • 323 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    our toon

    i think sports direct main help was the recession though (does coincide with buying nufc so hard to tell exactly) but being so cheap and others going out of business contributed to a massive rise in profits for SD more so than advertising at out ground and all the press.

    No doubt it does help, but i don’t think it’s them main reason for the growth. There is still a lot of advertising on TV, internet, radio, etc that gets the website out there and being top google search for sports shop just shows he is winning battles all over the place, not just at nufc.

  • 324 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    TS

    Ciaran supports fan ownership and democracy, although he is known for changing his views depending on the weather. The fans’ group who wanted to buy the club had a great idea of getting fans to invest their pension pots. Absolute madness, although great for young uns like Ciaran who like other people to take the risk, especially as they haven’t got a pot to piss in.

    What is the point in Ciaran calling for Mikey to advertise for a buyer when he wouldn’t have any idea who would end up buying the club and how they would run it. Can Ciaran give us assurances that the next owner who meets Mikey’s reasonable asking price will not get the club into debt in a short term attempt to push a brand, or will continue to improve the squad year on year and build steadily as Mikey is doing?

    Does Ciaran think that Mikey is going to ask Ciaran and Co for their blessing when he sells? Woo Hoo!

  • 325 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    Sage

    It all depends on the amount of money he can take out every year. The running costs of NUFC are far, far higher than they are for Celtic and Rangers. The debt percentage here is far higher than it is with Rangers and the TV exposure his far higher for a champions league side.

    Football will always be nothing other than an annoying distraction to a business opportunity for Ashley.

    If he can turn a bigger profit up there then he’ll jump at the chance

  • 326 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    blackley

    of course you can never be sure, we may well get a much better owner, we equally could get an owner who spends less, takes everything from the club and does a worse job, a one who piles us into debt.

    but if you think ashley is bad, as some do, then you might be willing to take that risk, if it doesn’t work protest again.

    i’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to totally dismiss it as a pointless/stupid idea is wrong i think as no matter what your views everyone here is acting in what they believe to be best for the club.

  • 327 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    I hope you all realise that while you are engaging with the WUM you are keep a village idiot from his important duties?

  • 328 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Sage

    4-0 so far, what were the odd’s on double figures?

  • 329 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    jack

    Operating expenses.
    Although turnover was up, operating expenses were also up by 14% from £75.2 million to £85.7 million. This was all due to a rise in wages, which are up by 20% from £53.6 million to £64.1 million. This means that the clubs wages to turnover percentage has risen from 60.6% to 68.7%. Meanwhile, other expenses remained the same at £21.6 million.

    taken from nufcblog org

    our operating costs are only 20 mil higher than celtics last year. Bearing in mind they wont make that much every year as wont get to last 16 of champs league then i think we are much safer in terms of a consistent revenue…as in prem league money is set in stone, doesn’t fluctuate too much.

    either way, at best rangers will have a good year and be similar in profit to us, other years they will fall behind.

    Personally would love to see celtic and rangers in english league system like cardiff and swansea, would be huge cubs if they made it up to the prem….selling 60,000 there

  • 330 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    jack

    500-1 on 10-0 win

  • 331 Tsunki // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    Hang on who is tonight’s WUM?

  • 332 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    It’s like a training expertise for Citeh

  • 333 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Exercise

  • 334 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    Sage

    I understand what you are saying but Ashley will have to clear 100+ million in the loan he gave the club before he personally urns a profit here and how long is that going to take him?

  • 335 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    our toon

    A part of me wishes we were bought instead of city, their owners do everything right…appoint a great set up at the club in terms of technical directors, spokesmen, giving viera a role, etc etc…they do a lot building up the local area and doing a huge training/academy complex to build for the future too but spend a lot on short term areas until that kicks in

    but i also like the way we have to earn every single win, we could wait another 40 years for a trophy or never see one, i really cant decide…but i think a super rich owner edges it

  • 336 Thump // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    @Tsunki: I think it’s NEoffers.

  • 337 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    5-0

  • 338 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    jack

    well celtic only made a small profit, so can’t really make much taking that away

    as prem league revenue continues to grow the club will naturally become worth more when it comes to sell in the future, so can steadily make his money back over time and then make even more when he does come to sell.

  • 339 Thump // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    @TS: I love the romaticism of football. I’m a Geordie and black and white to the bone – of course I do. On the same note, I can’t ignore what the Arabs did for the blue half of Manchester. They’re not only investing in the club, but they’re investing in the area – as you said. It would be interesting to see what would have happened to us, though.

  • 340 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    God Man City look scarey – but hopefully away from home they won’t be as menacing – I hope NUFC are watching this as West Ham are giving them far too much respect & space.

  • 341 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    Our Toon
    A lot is spoken about the lack of due diligence. By how much did it mess Mikey up?

    When Shepherd was at the club, Mikey could have got all the benefits to SD for a modest annual amount and none of the time, risk or ball ache .

  • 342 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    TS

    While Mikey is using revenues to pay down the debt, the club is benefiting. Does Ciaran blame Mikey for paying down the debt and benefiting the club into the future?

  • 343 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Sage

    Then what is the point in him buying a 10% or 15% stake in the club if the return is going to be so low?

  • 344 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    martoon

    west hame lost 5-0 to forrest so i wouldn’t look too much into this really, they have blown every team away at the etihad, except liverpool who should have gotten a point or three from the game (bad ref and bad finishing)

    I think it’s awful watching west ham just sit off them, not press then and just give them so much space and time in the final third, deserve to be losing….allerdyce must be gone soon.

    Thump

    I’m not a geordie myself, live in county durham but lived up newcastle for 3 years during university and loved the city. As much as i would love a billionaire i would have reservations on abramovich as when he decides to sell/loses interest they have nothing in place to build for the future….at least man city will have something in place (in bricks and mortar too) which will be a lasting legacy to the club and area.

    they have done very well and built like a business, invest heavily to get to the top of market, operate at a loss but look to make money back long term…i admire them for it

  • 345 Novocastrian66 // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Mike Ashley has effectively paid £250m for a life time of advertising for his companies, but the club owe him the money for having that privilege.
    What are the club / Ashley actively doing to increase revenues outside of the TV deals? Nowt from where I’m sitting.
    I would be surprised if Ashley has investments in Wonga as that deal looks to be cheap to me.

  • 346 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    I would gladly trade five PL titles, two CL trophies a Super Cup a couple of FA and league cups,and throw in four community shields for three or four years in the CC and League one, before returning to our place in mid table obscurity.

  • 347 Rotonda heights // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    could you imagine pardew ever having us play like city.
    with the same players he’d probably have tried to ”contain” west ham until the last 20 mins!!!

  • 348 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    blackley

    well ashley paid the debt off all at once, using his own money which he loaned to us interest free…good on the face of things but banks won’t lose out on all the interest we’d have paid on those loans so we’d have had to pay that off as well as the money owed.

    tha money he loaned could have been used to build the squad and push for champs league, whilst we continue on the repayment plan for the loan, increasing our revenue stream with champs league (much easier to get in 2007 when he came in compared to now) and ultimately would have had a longer term benefit that saving money and relegation had.

    just a thought.

    jack

    well it was peanuts so maybe just to get distribution rights for rangers kit (they sell a lot world wide, huge amount suprisingly) or to get things in place to advertise cheap in the stadium. I really don’t get why he doesn’t have sports direct on rangers kit really.

  • 349 Sazzer // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    NUFCfans ?@nufcfans
    “@JuanG_Arango: Scratch San Lorenzo from list of teams Coloccini will head to. Father was just sacked as their director of football.” #NUFC

  • 350 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    novo

    the club said wonga was our best ever sponsorship deal yet the figures given were lower than virgin money paid…i don’t understand, maybe bad communication/reporting from papers, i dont know

  • 351 jazzyp // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Jb@316
    Don’t warn me off the fat birds mate-Ive got a fetish for em lol

  • 352 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    Don’t know if this has already been addressed, but this is a good point from the forum to focus on.

    However, Ed has got a few things wrong:

    1 – it was explained why the commercial revenue shows as low. Outsourcing has improved overall profit but will also show as reduced revenue (also reduced costs of course – but this isn’t usually divided into commercial costs in any easy to read accounts). So it isn’t “pitiful”.

    2 – There’s no way that the SD advertising is worth £10M per season. But obviously it is worth something.

    3 – No way should the space be listed as “advertising available”. This would be very bad PR.

    4 – We don’t have to advertise the space as available anyway. We will be in regular contact with potential sponsors and new ones know where we are if they want to sponsor a PL club.

    But it is cheeky that SD get the available space. How about advertising NUFC Direct, SBR’s charity or something else more appropriate. It would be good business for MA to transfer funds from partly owned SD to wholly owned NUFC, so I can only assume that the other SD directors don’t want to do it or there is some other deal in place.

  • 353 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    TDS

    what is your view on my response to blackley and ashley paying off debt, it’s just and idea i was thinking based on somebodies post a few months ago, thought it was interesting

    also agree on using the space for local charities like sir bobby’s…good idea.

  • 354 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    TDS

    on your idea regarding charity….you should forward that to ciaran to pass on for the next fans forum meeting, would be really good to hear a club response to that.

  • 355 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Please don’t tell me that you actually believe that there is space available???

    Hmm, let me see, what is the easiest way of getting around me advertising my main company for free to placate the fans???

    I know, I’ll just have our PR tell them that it is available but Sd is simply using it in the mean time

  • 356 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Not that I really should have to make this point but just to clarify for anyone who thinks I am an idiot:

    I do not that that if I took out a pension plan now that it would put me in any better a position to buy the club.

    I am pretty sure everyone other than this evening’s WUM – see how a proper WUM operates Mark? – everyone else has been able to spot that.

  • 357 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    jack

    i don’t mind it thats the truth…no other gorund in the league has free advertising space they can’t sell….so it either shows incompetence in selling it or as you suggest lying to fans,

  • 358 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    TS

    Regarding the debt, a big chunk was a lump sum due for the stadium when Hall sold up. So MA had the choice of lending the money himself or taking out further finance against the club to pay it. His predecessors lent money to the club at high interest rates for personal gain. He lent the club the money interest free.

    Other money was for transfer fees due to other clubs. I’ll bet that they negotiated a few of those down (e.g. rather than pay £2M a year for the next 4 years, will you take £5M right now?

    Investing that money in the playing squad instead would have just made us highly debt ridden, unable to support itself and making huge losses every year. That isn’t Ashley’s model.

    It would have been like Leeds. The only way we could have turned a profit would have been to qualify for the CL every single year.

  • 359 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    ciaran

    do you like TDS question, i think you should raise it with the fans forum for next time.

    if sports direct is just using the free advertising space that can’t be sold then would it not benefit the local area more if it was taken with a charity, ideally sir bobby’s

  • 360 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    The scary thing is Negrado cost something like £15m, he looks class!! Great finisher as well, sports direct are always mentioned with MA, every bad decision he makes the press always say SD owner and NUFC owner

    Jermaine Defoe has agreed to join Toronto in Canada as of Monday!!

  • 361 Rotonda heights // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    amazing how close the city players are too each other while west ham are completely stretched. Thank god for small mercies that allardyce isn’t still here.

  • 362 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    Sage

    i’ll go with the second option, the man is lying to us in order to benefit SD………………….at the expense of NUFC

  • 363 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    As for not putting my money where my mouth is – I am, and have been, a long time member of the Newcastle United Supporter’s Trust, the only vehicle possible of realising fan involvement in our club’s ownership structure.

    I do hope to see some form of fan involvement in the future re how the club is owned in the future – possibly with a NUST member or 2 on the board. It is only by joining NUST and helping them in their endeavours can we turn this rather abstract ideal into a reality.

  • 364 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    TDS

    I suppose i didn’t explain it properly….it could have been a balance, took on half the debt instead of all of it, try a better way to balance paying debt but also investing a good amount to take us forward.

    I personally think the balanace is wrong but it’s just my opinion on the matter.

    When we see he is worth 3 billions his company makes 200mil profit last year would he really notice a small injection in to the club even if it was in the form of another loan until finances improved to start paying him back…even if that loan was just to totally overhaul academy and coaching staff,

  • 365 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    JB

    Simple business logic my friend. It doesn’t make sense for Ashley to want to give free advertising to a company he owns 64% of in favour of gaining revenue to a company he wholly owns. Put it simple, if the sponsorship is worth £5M a year then getting it from SD would cost Ashley around £3.2M but would also profit Ashley £5M. So he would actually gain £1.8M.

    And if he got it from another company, then he would gain £5M. He could then take this money to pay off his loan and he’s £5M a year closed to getting his money back.

    Most of the conspiracy theories just don’t make any sense at all.

  • 366 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    FFS, he owns the club he can do what he wants with it, he can change the home strips to red and white stripes if he wants and change the club’s name to Tribute to Sunderland United.

    People may not like it but that is the harsh reality of the situation. The club is not owned by the supporters – in the eyes of the law, they are mere paying customers.

    Anyone who has a problem with the way Ashley runs the club should either buy it off him or, go support the Heed instead.

  • 367 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Yes we have an interest free loan but it’s definitely come with strings attached, not being able to sell advertising space is laughable….we need to have space to sell it, didn’t seem to be an issue with the previous regime!! Can’t have it both ways in my eyes, be self sufficient but then stifle the club by not selling advertising space

  • 368 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Sage

    I am not on the Fan’s Forum, the majority of the questions that Time4Change raised for the club to answer have been glossed over and the club has refused to answer them.

    My own personal views on the Fan’s Forum is that it is an illegitimate talking shop that is not fulfilling its purpose. Until the NUST is reinstated to the Forum it will remain an unrepresentative, undemocratic talking shop filled with arbitrary, club vetted appointments.

    Did you also know that if you wanted to contact any of the members of the Fan’s Forum, you have to go through Wendy Taylor?

  • 369 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    TS
    I don’t understand your idea about Mikey paying off the debt with an interest free loan? You say, “… banks won’t lose out on all the interest we’d have paid on those loans so we’d have had to pay that off as well as the money owed.”

    To my mind, the debt was restructured. instead of paying interest on third party loans, the club pays nothing on its loan from Mikey. That benefits the club enormously at Mikey’s expense.

    It is common practice for directors/owners to take earnings/divdends for their involvement in a business. Is Mikey taking anything?

    As for the advertising, you’re saying that SD should be paying at least something. That’s a bit like my funding my son through university (thousands a year), and him saying I ought to pay him for my using his car when he’s away because otherwise I’m getting a free benefit.

  • 370 Rotonda heights // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    i think i hate ashley most of all for not selling to the mansoors when he got so greedy

  • 371 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

    p

    why not let people fight for change at the club, pressure him and try to get more fans on their side….ignoring the problem won’t make it do away either. people still support the club even if they want the owner out

    tds

    if that was the case though why do no other prem ground not have empty advertising boards? are we the only one who can’t sell it? never had a problem before ashley.

    and also if it didn’t benefit ashley why would he do it? surely he would make sports direct pay for it?

    i agree it’s not worth 10′s of millions, but it’s the principal…if the club will be so principled on issue with fan groups and press they surely can’t be annoyed when fans get the same way over advertising?

  • 372 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    TS

    But that isn’t his business model at all. There’s no point complaining when he does exactly what he said he’d do. He was always going to come in and make the club self-sufficient, which is what he has done. Why would he want the club to be paying interest to 3rd parties rather than keep all of NUFC revenue to NUFC? Last year, every single penny of NUFC revenue was either spent on NUFC business or put into the NUFC bank account.

    But I reckon he would loan a bit more if it was required. If we lost Cabaye and Remy for the season, I reckon he’d stump up some money to ensure the plan stays on track.

    It’s always been a longer term vision than many of the fans would like. This year top 10, next year I expect top 8 and then he knows the fans will be expecting a top 6 challenge after that, although it will be tough.

  • 373 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    TDS

    As a club that is established as ours is are you seriously telling me that we cannot sell all the advertising space available???

    If that is the case then the level of sheer incompetence at the highest level within our club is even more sickening than I first thought as i would say that it would makes us the only club in the league that cannot manage to sell all the advertising rights

  • 374 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    p

    Or we could all follow your lead in bending over and simply taking it without question

  • 375 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    blackley

    my point was the debt the club owed before Ashley took over was to banks/other clubs…..they will have been charging us monthyl payments on this and we would be paying a certaain % interest.

    ashly paid this all off himself with his own cash, but the banks wont say you owe us 10mil, just give us 10mil and forget the interest we’d make on that over the 5 year repayment plan…you’d have to pay a good chunk, if not all of that interest even if you paid the loan up front.

    so instead of paying the bank 10mil for loan and say 2mil on interest, ashley paid the bank that 12 mil and we not owe him 12 mil

    so it’s not like we are better off long term, just we don’t have to pay in monthly in a fixed plan, ashley can take it whenever he wants

    i’m not saying it’s bad or good either way, just long term we aren’t better off financially

  • 376 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    TS

    I reckon SD refuse to pay for it. And I also reckon we’ve set the price quite high so as not to undervalue the space. So there simply haven’t been enough takers at that price. I’m pretty sure I remember seeing “Shepherd Holdings” or similar advertised at the ground at some point too.

    But the amount of SD advertising is ridiculous. I think the argument is plausible from them but I think the test is to see that if we do finish top 8, is any of that advertising replaced. The higher we finish and the better our squad, the more attractive we should be to sponsors.

  • 377 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    TDS

    Ashley may own 60% of SD but that is his first and only love, nufc is something he will own for less than another 3/4 years I think, he will remain as majority shareholder at SD for next 30/40 years!! Short term pain for long term gain, SD keep reporting year on year record profits!! Like all good businessmen Ashley is looking at the long term and not the short term gain, he’s seen the money in football and can quite easily recoup the money he has spent!! Apparently he took £17m back last year, the debt would have been around £80m but relegation cost Ashley an extra £40m….the club will still have to pay for this and this was his mismanagement which will come out of our pocket

  • 378 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    TDS

    i don’t mind the longer term plan, i’m just saying i don’t think it was the best plan, but i accept that’s how he wants to do it.

    they talk of things like five year plans, the first of which started before relegation so i presume we are no on a new five year plan.

    none of us know the plan, where the club plans to be, so it’s hard to judge exactly the targets….where can they expect to be in 5 years? it won’t be the league title, probably not even champs league as teams above us improve at a greater rate than we do so where does it leave us?

    not complining, just really curious as to what they want

  • 379 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    JB

    It’s all down to supply and demand! Maybe they have set the price deliberately high so as not to undervalue the space.

    There’s an optimum price for which to fill the space 100% of the time but if you have extra demand at that price, then you’re not charging enough and if you have space left over then you’re charging too much.

    Maybe we’re charging too much? Maybe other clubs do similar things but we don’t notice because we don’t sit on their blogs.

    Is it really worth getting so stressed about?

  • 380 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Can anyone please tell me what kind of striker Luuk De Jong is.. and what formation would he best fit into provided we sign him?

  • 381 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    TS
    Are you talking about early repayment charges? I’m not sure there were any. If there were, I’m sure they wouldn’t have been much.

  • 382 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    TDS

    it is good that they ask for decent money but surely deals could be done to sell it, no other club fails to do so from what i can see…..although i can’t confirm this 100% obviously

    it’s poor from the club to not sell it

  • 383 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    TS, well to be honest the advertising space is moot issue. At the end of the day, I don’t think a lack of advertising effects the budget for playing staff which let’s face it all the fans give a toss about.

    I read somewhere that, generally, commercial revenue at Newcastle is down. Nothing is black and white (excuse the pun) because there has been a recession, NUFC does not have to allure of the Keegan era etc etc. That said, the article I read did seem to imply that the club was defficient on the commercial front missing out on revenue opportunity on a much broader horizon than advertising boards.

    Again though, that’s Mash’s prerogative.

    Of course issues like changing the name of the ground or in the case of Cardiff changing the shirt colour is a lot more impactful at an emotional level to fans. It maybe wrong but it is the owners prerogative. That said, I think people have the right to express their discontent but don’t expect the owner to do anything about it. He has never really listened the fans before and he is unlikely to start now.

  • 384 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    @Transfer sage how ya doing mate.. contrary to what others feel, I always like people with insider info contributing to the blog :) Any infos?

  • 385 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    blackley

    yes early repayment charges….there will have been some, banks won’t miss out on millions of pounds out of the goodness of their heart

    if people here think ashley is evil and a bad guy banks make him look like a basket of kittens

  • 386 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Ciaran’s back! The king of the blog’s ignoring all the hard questions again, but does engage enough to clarify that he’s not an idiot.

  • 387 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

    Our Toon

    I think last year he took nothing. It was the year before he did. Or perhaps he did last year and he changed his mind this year. Either way, he’s only taken something out of the club once since he bought it.

    £40M isn’t out of our pocket anyway, the majority of the club’s revenue does not come from NUFC fans these days. And are you seriously suggesting that everyone responsible for a relegation should stump up the cash that it costs? Stand up KK, JFK, Hughton, Shearer, Owen, Martig, Viduka, Duff and the rest. Let’s all have a whip round…

    And the 60% thing does matter. Like I said, £3.2M of his money in SD could become £5M of his money in NUFC. He could pay off his loan quicker that way, but it would make more sense to get the money from outside and turn £0 into £5M instead.

  • 388 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Does anyone else find it amusing that Sam Allerdyce said on Sunday that he rested his players for the 5-0 defeat to Forrest because the carling cup semi final was more important!! Did he honestly think he’d get a result against them at there ground?

  • 389 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    p

    well could argue football clubs are huge parts of the community, real deep ties with an area that go over a hundred years an generations affecting all people in the community.

    I think the government needs to put in place similar laws as to planning with listed buildings. If not being able to change a window on stately home damages tradition/history and the local area then surely changing a clubs colours is equally as bad, if not having a larger effect.

    you need planning permission and for listed buildings have even stricter controls so why could they not do the same for football clubs?

    as for advertising, the value may be moot but it’s the principle…if they ban papers/fan groups on principle then surely we have the right to be as annoyed as they are over that issue

  • 390 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    If we are asking too much then we are losing money coming into the club through pure greed and incompetence. I’m not suggesting that the amount we could get is going to make a massive impact at the club in so far as buying new players or anything like that, but even if it was 1 million that was then invested into the youth system and set up it’s 1 million pounds worth of improvement that can be made at our foundation level

    1% of something is worth more than 100% of nothing

  • 391 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    Isn’t it so satisfying Tiote and Brazilliamson playing so solidly again. And has anyone else notivced Tiote and cabaye sometimes playing 4-5 passes to one another , ala Xavi and Busquets :D , isnt of use but improves confidence!

  • 392 Novocastrian66 // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    Why would any company pay for advertising space when another company gets the space for nowt?
    They will be prepared the going rate; which at St James’ Park is nothing.

  • 393 bollance // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    Blackley

    Ciaran is not an idiot and his parents do love him.

  • 394 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

    It is irritating that we don’t get any revenue for SD advertising but the way I look at it is that it is offset by our interest free loan – how much interest do you pay on an £130m loan.

  • 395 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    So who comes in for Cabaye next game?
    And I ask again, has anyone consistently seen L De jong play? what kind of striker is he?

  • 396 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    @martoon how ya doing mate? what are your expectations from the city game? :)

  • 397 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    TS

    What other club announces the detail of their 5 years plan? Not many…

    It wouldn’t be good to let selling clubs know what we want to do and once we have made it public, there is pressure for us to buy the players to back that up, so player prices would increase for us. And then there’s the knowledge that the PL is a finite business. There aren’t more points or positions to find in the same way that another business can expand into other areas to develop customers and revenue. There are 20 places in the PL, 3 of which are a no-go area and there are 20 clubs fighting hard to get the top 4 or the next 13. It’s just different.

    The plan looks pretty clear to me. Long contracts for players bought for good deals, develop the youth, invest in the academy and make the club self-sufficient. Our squad is improving every year.

  • 398 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    tds

    if it benefited ashley to pay advertising he would, simple as that i feel

    it may financially benefit him but may not benefit him enough (as it is peanuts for SD and Ashley) so might be better and give him more sway with other directors at SD to do it free.

    as people say, he is no mug so why would he miss out if he didn’t have a reason to?

    ciaran

    i didn’t know that, could you suggest that question though for the groups to put forward, i wouldnt know where to start and i think it does give them a difficult question to answer

    i say the ones t4c had on facebook and say you had one in there

  • 399 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    P Good point about the shirt colour. Thanks to Ciaran and Co, we might get a new owner who prefers red and white stripes. Or perhaps, Ciaran would prefer green?

  • 400 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    TS – that was my point about the eyes of the law.

    Of course, the position of a football club in the community and stakeholders beyond shareholders is more significant that your average business is well understood ans recognized.

    However, as you say, it would require regulation to establish the way clubs are run if it is different from today. Not that easy as you want to balance the needs of all stakeholders concerned. In an ideal world that would happen but reality is big business rules. They can’t even implement fair play rules.

  • 401 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    TS

    I bet none of us know if other clubs show advertising space from companies who don’t pay. I suppose the advantage of SD is that if they don’t pay, there’s no contract so they could be replaced at any time. But I’d like to see less of it and replace it with NUFC Direct or SBR’s charity.

    Sports Direct are a commercial partner of ours so it makes sense for them to get some advertising.

  • 402 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    tds

    i can see the cub is planning to improve steadily….but thats not seeing the detail of the plan…plan or no plan surely you want to improve anyway

    they don’t need to announce it in full but be nice to know something

  • 403 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    TDS

    I’m not sure when he took the money out might have been last year, I don’t think KK or JFK or even Shearer should stump up the £40m you miss my point, we got relegated because of shocking decisions off the field, decisions made by the owner!! MA made the mistakes and we will pay him back that £40m (that’s as bad as bankers paying themselves bonuses for failure)

    Just to clarify our pocket means from the club!!

  • 404 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Defoe off to Toronto FC

  • 405 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Bollance

    It was very important to Ciaran that he cleared that up. Hahaha!

  • 406 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    JB

    Yeah, even if it was £1M then it’s worth having. This is what I don’t quite get, and I won’t unless I saw all of the figures.

    How about this though…I know sponsorship for the advertising boards isn’t worth that much so if the existing sponsors pay £X, then it’s hardly fair to let another sponsors pay £X/2 or even less is it? The club must work to maximise the revenue, but obviously we also don’t want to get tied into sponsorship from Wallsend Butchers for 3 years when if we stay in the top 8, we will get much bigger companies wanting to sponsor us for much more money.

    Ashley has an incentive to maximise revenue for NUFC.

  • 407 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Sage

    I did indeed have a question that we wanted answered, my question was touched upon, but the majority of our questions were either glossed over or simply not answered.

    We will probably draft up another list of questions, or contact Lee Marshall and see if we can get the rest of our questions answered, because we have been left very disappointed following the Fan’s Forum.

  • 408 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    Our Toon

    All owners make mistakes. It’s not the first time that our club has been relegated and it won’t be the last. Promotion and relegation are part and parcel of football. Relegation has always been costly.

  • 409 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    What are people’s opinions on Pochettinos comments recently regarding Lallana and Shaw. He said why should we sell these 2 players? We have spent so much time in nurturing them and getting them to where they are today, what’s the point in going through all of that only for someone else to reap the rewards of our hard work….they are not for sale at any price!!

    What’s ppls thoughts on this?

  • 410 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    TS

    It would benefit Ashley for SD to pay for the sponsorship but it’s not wholly his decision is it? For SD to engage in that kind of sponsorship, there would need to be a clear relationship over a fixed period of time, goals would need to be set on the results of the marketing venture etc. It would need to be assessed. Maybe they just don’t feel that it is worth the going rate for them, but it’s better to take it for free rather than leave it empty or have it go on the cheap. I can’t imagine other sponsors would be happy if they found out that a company not affiliated with the club has the sponsorship cheaper than them.

  • 411 martoon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    IITianToon – Hi I’m doing OK thanks – fancy talking about football when everybody else is talking about finances :) A bit worried about the City game but I’m hoping we might raise our game and surprise me like we did against Chelsea.

  • 412 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Thats fine, but in the mean time then SD simply have to stump up until a long term sale is in place. Every penny makes a difference at a club where finances are tight. We are losing out at the expense of SD and that is wrong for NUFC no matter how you look at it

  • 413 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    JB

    I mentioned the Defoe move earlier, seems as though Toronto move quicker than us in the transfer market

  • 414 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    SS1 – Sarah-Jane Mee is very, very cold…………………..my good god

  • 415 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    @Our Toon
    Brilliant comments from the Pooch xD . I think those players, for their own careers should stay on at Southampton for 2-3 years. God knows how many good players are being ruined by sitting on the bench of top teams. Players like Marin and de Bruyne at Chelsea immediately coming to mind!

    @martoon
    I hope so too, though a 0-4 wont be having long odds I believe :(

  • 416 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    Our Toon

    Ice-ages move quicker than us mate :(

  • 417 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    @JB Who is Sarah Jane Mee?
    Regarding the Defoe transfer, looks like he is going for a last big payday!

  • 418 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Our Toon

    Isn’t every relegation ultimately the owner’s/chairman’s fault? I don’t see other owners providing interest free loans when that happens, let alone just giving the money away!

    When Chelsea keep sacking their managers, does Abramovich pay for the severance fee out of his own pocket? Or does the club pay? It’s the latter.

    Ashley made mistakes that season that got us relegated, but there are many other people who share some of the blame, certainly including the only people who could have actually done something about it, the highly paid international players on the pitch!

  • 419 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Our Toon

    she presenting ‘What’s the Story’ on sky sports one

  • 420 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Anyone else feel Walcott’s injury could totally derail Arsenal’s title challenge?

  • 421 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    TS

    They are telling us something. They’re telling us that they have targeted the top 10 this year and that the league is a priority over the cups. They also said that we are looking to sign players whenever possible and progress. We know the club should be firmly in the top 8 with the possibility of establishing itself in the top 6.

  • 422 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    IITianToon

    Walcott’s injury has come at the perfect time for Arsenal (if there is ever a perfect time to lose a player) as with the window open they can replace him straight away if they want to and lessen the impact of his loss

  • 423 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    IITianToon

    Nope, he’s a very poor player. Perhaps it will give Gnabry more of a chance in the first team, or Oxlaide Chamberlain now that he has returned from injury.

    Both of those 2 players are much more exciting talents than Walcott ever has been.

  • 424 moonraker // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    I am one of Mike Ashley’s greatest critics on things like lack of communication in particular, but I cant see anything wrong with him using the advertising space as long as he is financing the club with loans! Surely it’s just swings and roundabouts or am I missing something. Hasn’t he loaned the club 100 million?

  • 425 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    JB

    Just switched it on lol

    TDS

    Please don’t compare us to Chelsea’s owner or even citehs, Roman would never appoint pards, Roman pays managers off but he also spends a heck of a lot on transfers, doesn’t have a net spend of +£5m

  • 426 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    TS

    Do you take my point that the criticism of Mikey regarding the advertising is a bit like your neighbours criticising you for not paying your child for the use of his car while he is at university? They take no account of the fact that the only reason your child’s car is lying idle is that you’re paying thousands of pounds a year to put your child through university.

  • 427 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    JB

    Well we’re not losing out much if the best offer if £50k per year over a 3 year contract? I’d rather the club didn’t get tied into a deal if it’s beneath them. Saying that, £50k per year could be the going rate for each sponsor, they’re really not much.

    I’d never even looked at the sponsors before when watching a match. It was only as a result of comments on here that I noticed how many SD adverts there really were. I couldn’t have told you any of the sponsors on there apart from Wonga and probably Barclays. And apart from SD (and I think Firetrap?) I couldn’t tell you what the others are either.

    As I said, it simply makes business sense for MA to maximise the revenue for the club, and there are several possibilities why this space is given free to SD. But the conspiracy theories just don’t make sense because they are not in MA’s interest.

  • 428 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    @Ruddy Hmm I guess there is substance to what you are saying. But no matter how poor Walcott is , you cant argue against his goals/assists record. Oxlade and Gnabry for all their ability, I dont think they will have the same impact goals/assists wise. But let’s see!

  • 429 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:13 PM

    I’ve been critical of Walcott over the years but it seems as though he’s matured into a very good player, was on fire before this injury but Arsenal unlike us all ready have ready made replacements oxlade chamberlain and the very impressive gnabry (frightening to think he’s only 18)

  • 430 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    Our Toon,
    Regarding Pochiettos comments, if Pardew said that again it would be regarded as worse conduct than finishing 16th with every unwanted record broken, that might help media Joe and his sidekick mackem Mick in to the hot seat a bit sooner.

  • 431 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    Our Toon

    Managerial appointments has nothing to do with my point. Perhaps I should compare us to other big clubs who have been relegated recently…Leeds…Wolves..Blackburn (big in the sense that they won the league much more recently than us). Should I compare us to Villa?

    If you don’t think my comparison is right then I suggest people stop comparing us in any way to Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or City because those clubs are streets away from us in almost every area.

    My point was purely on finances. I’m not aware of a single other owner gifting money to a club upon relegation out of a feeling of guilt.

  • 432 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    IITianToon

    His goals/assist record is indeed impressive, but I think it is in part to him being in such a good team. He does have ability, nowhere near as much talent as the media would have you believe though.

    In a lesser team he would have nowhere near as much of an impact. I think Gnabry will flourish given a proper run in the team from the little I have seen of him. He may not have an immediate impact re goals/assists but from the little I have seen of him he is brave, confident and very clever with the ball – none of which could be said of Walcott.

  • 433 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    @TDS How ya doing mate! Happy new year! Given a choice always nice to have positive people on the blog, especially on a bad day at work ^_^ .
    I too think Pardew is an average manager. But Ashley cant get rid of him, unless results are absymally poor. The folly of the 8 year contract!
    One manager who I would really like to see here, because of his modern ideas, and calm persona(to handle our big names) would be Frank Rijkaard. Last I heard he was coaching a middle East club. Football wise he would have liked to test himself in the PL. Wages, as always would have been a problem of course!

  • 434 JackButler // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    TDS

    I gaurentee you now that we could pull in more than enough to have an impact on the youth system. I know that Swansea have recently bought two youngsters (16 years old) from my brother-in-laws club who are very, very highly rated who are now part of the Swans youth system and may, hopefully, make it at the highest level.

    The amount of money we could get from the advertising could and would have a big impact at that level…………………..and seeings as our youth set up needs something to change, we could really do with that cash injection

  • 435 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    People do you think Everton are gonna be one season wonders, unless they can convert their loans into permanents? Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry have bagged them significant points this season. Listen, I know Martinez’ team will always play good football, but I just feel their loanees have been big reasons for converting good play into points.

  • 436 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    The five year plan is really an eight year plan and it started when the fat controller gave the silver tongued lothario his ridiculously long contract, however unfortunately for us ”the plan” has nothing to do with silverware and glory but the amount of time it will take for the fat man to get his purchase price and loan back, being left with a club he can completely strip down and sell at a huge gain to himself. Watch this space.

  • 437 belgrade fan // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    What happened in today AP-MA-JFK meeting? Anybody knows? What they decided?

  • 438 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:20 PM

    Jail

    I found it refreshing that a manager comes out and says sorry but we made these players and we will reap the benefits of having a good academy not someone else

    TDS

    I’ve never compared us to any of the teams you have mentioned, what I have said consistently though is that MA is a stingy billionaire who has no interest in funding the club to achieve anything other than mid table mediocrity!! It concerns me that since we told the world that De Jong is our top target we still haven’t made an offer for the player, we lack ambition off the pitch and on the pitch!! I look at what’s infront of me not what goes on at other clubs

  • 439 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    If Pardew’s contract was up tomorrow, I think Mash would offer him an extension.

    If he wanted rid of him, it would have happened by now.

  • 440 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:22 PM

    I’m off now Ciaran. But that doesn’t mean you can start acting like the King of the Blog again. I’ll be watching in case you resume your winding people up. I’ll give you some more questions for you to ignore. Goodnight.

  • 441 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    On Everton. depends on Martinez. If he finishes top 4 and I think he might, he may be off to the big league of management – perhaps one of the Spanish giants or, even Manure

  • 442 Our Toon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    Tiantoon

    Delafeuo hasn’t started that many games for Everton this year, Lukaku is a big help and will be very difficult for any to replace will be interesting but I think Martinez is a class act!! Swansea still play the style he incorporated into the club

  • 443 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    IITianToon

    Happy New Year to you too!

    I try to stay positive. Sometimes not easy in the face of a barrage from certain people! Fine when they’re open to a discussion but pretty hard when they’ve already made their mind up!

    I wouldn’t worry about the 8 year contract, there will be clauses galore. And there’s also the rumour that he’s on a £500k basic salary. Either way, it wouldn’t cost more than normal to get rid of him.

    The problem with a new manager is that he would have to work within certain constraints. Also MA doesn’t want to take a risk and get a manager who has to be sacked after less than a year.

    Pardew is a solid manager who hopefully will be able to stablise the club in the top 8, then we can hopefully progress from there. But if he doesn’t get top 10 at least this season then he will simply have to go as he’ll have failed twice in a row.

    I predicted 8th in the summer and I’ll stick with that though.

    Rijkaard would be good but would he want to manage us? Surely he’s in the Middle East for the money?

  • 444 belgrade fan // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:25 PM

    WHAT HAPPENED IN TODAY MA-JFK-AP MEETING AND WHAT THEY DECIDED? you talk always about NUFC money like MA tells you everything

  • 445 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    JB

    We know there’s already significant investment going into the youth set up though. It’s not about throwing money that way, it’s about getting the right plan together and then executing it. Youth players join clubs all of the time, including ours.

    Where is your brother in law’s club?

  • 446 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    Belgrade,
    Dobro Viche,
    Nobody knows what happened in the meeting, it was probably an informal meeting in Mikes cheesy eighties bar in his front room drinking Mikes homebrew watching transfer centre and having a larf.

  • 447 IITianToon // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    battles this weekend:
    Willo v Dzeko : Willo :D
    Mbiwa v Negredo : close, but Negredo
    Santon v Nasri : nasri
    haidara v Navas: Navas
    Tiote v Silva : if Tiote puts some crunching ones early on, then him; otherwise Silva
    Anita v Yaya: LOL
    Sissoko v Fernandinho: fernandinho
    Gouff v Zabaleta: Zabaleta
    Ben Arfa v Kolarov: this is one area where we can indeed take the game to City
    Remy, unfortunately, in Kompany’s pocket

    Prediction: 1-3 or 0-2

  • 448 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    Our Toon

    You’re way off now:
    1 – we didn’t tell the world that De Jong is our top target! We’d never do that.
    2 – there’s a whole month of transfer window, you can’t judge yet
    3 – MA’s goal is to make NUFC self-sufficient so it’s the club’s money that is spend, not MA’s. MA being stingy (or not) is completely irrelevant.

  • 449 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    blackley

    i don’t accept that analogy at all….as the club could exist under a different owner, we did before and will do after, ashley is not crucial to the survival of NUFC

    he may own the club but he should still pay if he wants one of his other companies to use our clubs space.

  • 450 belgrade fan // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    Jail

    Hvala puno druze/
    I thought they decided that our squad more than good enough, we need nobody and AP received money bonus for FA cup elimination

  • 451 Transfer Sage // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    TDS

    i won’t get chance to reply as i am going to bed now but just a though, might pick up in the morning if still on this article

    Have we invested a lot in the youth set up? i don’t see/hear that at all, they still havent got cat 1 status like sunderland and boro

    we have signed the off player, thats it. the coaches are the same, the training ground is the same (will be improving overall for all age groups and senior players….but not pitches they said, just medical, so won’t help develop players that much more, just keep them fit)

    I’d like to know what else they have done for the academy to improve it.

  • 452 Ancientcoptic // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    IITianToon, Man City appear to have problems dealing with set pieces, I would not be surprised to see Ameobi playing. (Just a shame we are rubbish at set pieces)

  • 453 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    TS

    Goodnight then.

    We’re certainly investing in a new training ground, so that will have an effect. It’s hard to judge the success of a youth programme because obviously it takes a long time to see the results…

    Someone came up with a good point yesterday, that maybe the cat 1 status is on hold because the club won’t invest more in training facilities when they are doing a thorough overhaul soon.

  • 454 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:52 PM

    That free advertising for SD appears very naughty at face value and I don’t quite follow the integrity of the logic of it being in return for paying off the debt, when he surely agreed a fee for the club in consideration of the existing debt anyway, unless of course you came down in the last shower and believe otherwise, and even then, good grief!

    He at least apparently thinks it’s reasonable though and perhaps on balance, it is to some degree, at the end of the day, so long as profits elsewhere get pumped back in responsibly.

    And it’s business, everyone is out to turn a quid one way or another, so it’s hard to know how precious to get about it, if it isn’t illegal. Even so, it does seem to be an area where the owner is openly vulnerable and so where the fans forum and fans groups can hammer away to keep him playing with a relatively straight bat overall, if that’s at all possible.

  • 455 p // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    At least we are passed out Alladyce phase, pity West Ham

  • 456 Taking the Papiss // Jan 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Haven’t read all of the following comments but just wanted to put you right on the interest issue. I work in the city and am particularly involved in Finance.

    The situation is this – when you have a large loan and you want to repay it early, you pay a) the amount of the loan, b) the interest due up to the next interest payment date and c) a “break fee”. Essentially (without being pointlessly technical) banks granting large loans don’t only loan their own money, they syndicate a loan (get other lenders to lend them some of it) and pay fees to those lenders. These normally are measured / timed in the same way as the original loan so the interest payment date is the same. There are still costs associated with the lender “breaking” his funding with other banks and so you pay a break fee. Given that Ashley repaid debts (some of which were long term and had high levels of interest) he would have saved the clubs millions of pounds (anywhere between 50% and 75% of the full value of the loans if i had to guess.

    Also in terms of player instalments, the full value of each instalment will be agreed at the beginning and the amount paid will take account of the fact it is paying over a period therefore no interest will be payable.

    I think Ashley has done good and bad for us, but a lot of people don’t truly understand just how much his decision to pay off the debt saved us. I am not trying to be condescending just trying to give a bit of context.

    TtP

  • 457 Ciaran // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    Hooray for Ashley.

  • 458 Taking the Papiss // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    I haven’t been on here much and thought now might be as good a time as any to give a brief half season round up.

    Generally, I believe we are doing alright. The performances in the cups have been disappointing but we pushed Man City all the way in the Cap One Cup and so I’m ok with that. I am annoyed about the FA Cup but for me the blame is with the players and not with Pardew as he fielded a strong team.

    League wise we are about where we should be. I know we have had a couple of poor results but to be fair, we have over performed in other matches. For me, Pardew on the whole has got tactics right especially against Chelsea and Manchester United. I would think we will get a 7 placed finish.

    Transfers are interesting. My first question is how people would feel if the club came out and informed fans that they will be conducting most of their business in the January window. I personally would be ok with that as it would manage expectations for the Summer. I think that we will bring a couple in – de Jong and Cabella, with Gomis on a pre-contract for summer. This makes perfect sense to me, we are long time admirers of de Jong and when remy goes back in summer we can make the deal permanent. Cabella adds much needed creativity and Gomis would be a direct replacement for Shola providing a ‘different look’ to the team.

    Most controversially, I think that I would sell Cabaye this month if we can get £25m. I think it may actually improve the balance of the side if the money is spent correctly. For me cabaye doesn’t naturally fit in the deeper role anita and tiote play or the more attaching role that ben arfa plays. I think playing anita and tiote would allow us to have cabella, ben arfa and sissoke/gouffran in the same time. The addition that I would like to see that I think we missed the boat on is Ince as he seems perfect to replace obertan, is english and gives us more natural width. Don’t get me wrong, I think Cabaye is the best all round midfielder but I think now is the time to sell (especially given that he has a right to buy himself out of his contract in summer).

  • 459 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    I wish football was still about football,, this blogs been like reading accountants weekly tonight with B and B (not the original) asking the same nonsense question over and over no matter how many times it was answered!!!

  • 460 Taking the Papiss // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:14 PM

    Ciaran – genuine question –

    We all want the best for the club and obviously buying quality is what we all want. Ashley doesn’t want to spend much which therefore grates. But, you may not have a club to support if he hadn’t come in, the debt was unsustainable and we were close to becoming Portsmouth (before Portsmouth). On that basis, do you not think that its wrong to jump all over Ashley for the (admittedly) crazy things he does, without acknowledging that he has done some incredibly important things for the club too?

  • 461 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    TtP
    Wouldn’t the debt we currently have be a heel of a lot less though if Ashley had actually done his research into what he was actually buying into and knew the full extent of the clubs debts etc and then offset that against the value of the club?
    Basically are we only in so much debt because he didn’t buy the club properly and gave “us” an interest free loan to save himself millions because he’d bought into a duffer?

  • 462 Taking the Papiss // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:22 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth

    I get your point but I don’t think you can say that, because that assumes that the previous owners would have sold it for £20mish which I don’t think they did.

    I don’t think he is a saint by all means but the reason that I will never bring myself to fully hate him is that he undoubtedly saved our club. Think also worth pointing out that the club and the debt cost him 20% of his wealth. That is a LOT of money and yes he is a billionaire but £200m is not a drop in the ocean….

  • 463 jimmysmith // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    How is NUFC a duffer at 250 million quid, in a business where Gareth Bale alone is worth 100 million, and TV rights are incredible and where we have gates of 50 000 a brilliant stadium and a squad full of quality players?

  • 464 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:30 PM

    TtP
    Well know obviously there not going to knock the whole debt off the club price but if he’d of done Due diligence he could of least surely got price down?
    Depending what or where you read the club was in roughly £80-90 mil debt and he paid £150 mil, if he’d carried out the due diligence then surely he could of haggled down to around £100 mil if the clubs was on the brink of “doing a Leeds” they would of torn his hand off?
    The rest of the “interest free loan” comes from his sheer incompetence and lack of understanding of the football world and overseeing us drop out the PL, that’s solely on him, why should the fans have to suffer the effects of him personally racking on another £40-50 mil to the “loan”

  • 465 Graeme // Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM

    TADS @ 461 – The Illustrious Owner didnt buy a “Duffer” but he bought a business that wasnt as good as he thought it was because he was “Mr Flash” and didn’t do the “Due Dilligence” that every sensible buyer would do.

    That would have clearly identified that there was a clause that required certain loans to be repaid immediately, in the event of the club being sold. Mainly for the re-development loans I believe.

    The bottom line is MA was caught with his trousers down by the previous owners and paid the price for not doing a proffessional purchase – this cost poor Mr Ashley over £100 million, the dipstick. I think you will find that is the “Loan” we evidently owe him!!

    I could well be wrong though – it wouldnt be the first time lol.

  • 466 stupot // Jan 9, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    I can think of worse owners and worse situations. If £100millions were available for players we would interest only mercenaries like Owen, viduka etc. as for advertising sports direct…why not, he bankrolls the club and has invested and bought some good players most of which have shown potential. As for AP, he is better than hughton who often played for drawers particularly away. Top 8 is good considering what other teams above have spent and pay in wages. We are about 2/3 quality signings away from Europe IMO. There are a host of players we need to move on…marv, obertan, Jonas, taylor etc to free up space and cash.

  • 467 stupot // Jan 9, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    I would love to see an exp euro coach come in but I don’t think ma will pay for it and ap is a safe bet




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