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Some Disturbing News Concerning Yohan Cabaye

11:42 pm, Thursday, January 9th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 79 Comments

Newcastle’s top midfielder Yohan Cabaye signed a five-year contract at around £60K/week in June of 2011,  and in the summer he will have two years left on that contract.

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Yohan Cabaye - two and a half years left at Newcastle
And there is some worrying news being reported in the Telegraph today, that Yohan Cabaye could buy out the last two years of his contract at Newcastle.

And it seems that Newcastle United could lose Yohan Cabaye for less than £6M if indeed Cabaye takes up the option of buying out the last two years of his contract – which is around £3M per year.

The law that allows this is called the “Webster Rule”, and it’s under Article 17 of the FIFA transfer rules, which can be read here.

A player is allowed to cancel his contract without just cause as long as he pays his employer – in this case Newcastle United – the remainder of his contract, which in Yohan’s case would be two years at £3M a year – around £6M.

And while that is almost 50% more than we paid for Yohan from Lille, it’s still a lot less than what he is worth today, since he has become a much better player while at Newcastle.

And of course what can happen here is that clubs who are interested in signing Cabaye could give him a signing on fee, which magically includes that £6M, and it’s still a lot less than they would have to pay for him in the transfer market in the summer.

Remember that Arsenal bid £11M for him last August and that was quickly turned down by Newcastle, who valued him closer to £20M.

We just hope that this news doesn’t give Yohan Cabaye some ideas, but he would need to be very dissatisfied with life at Newcastle for him to take this path, although he did go on strike in August, which was not a wise move by the Frenchman.

And with 18 games still left in the season and our squad almost fully fit, Newcastle still have a good chance of finishing high up in the league table.

And Cabaye could be part of that, and also the potential comeback of Newcastle United into being a top club again.

That’s what we would like to see.

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79 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:46 PM

    Well, we have 5 and a bit months to sort this out. I would suggest JFK gets on it.

  • 2 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    In other news, St James’ Park could be hit be a meteorite, we could sign 5 players this transfer window and I could win the lottery…

    Pointless speculation. Far too much of this in the media today. Exactly how often has this actually happened? The article says that most contracts include clauses to prevent this from happening.

  • 3 Ancientcoptic // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:52 PM

    “Article 17 of FIFA’s Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players has a section on “Consequences of Terminating a Contract Without Just Cause”. It states that any player who signed a contract before the age of 28 can buy himself out of the contract three years after the deal was signed.”

    Man Utd look are going to be in the same position with Rooney; although I think this is quite a rare thing to happen, as clubs do not like having compensation cases hanging over their heads.

  • 4 gfp13 // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:52 PM

    Not all owners or managers will have the same mind set as me but if I knew of playing buying out his contract in order to go to another team would that not then make you a bit paranoid that he will do the same to your club… Unless of course you are the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid where the only way is down. I would stay well clear of any players buying a contract out and I assume a few owners would share my view and not sign him on that basis

  • 5 darrylwe // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:53 PM

    Has anyone got any examples of when this has happened? Surely it would be common place if it was as easy as that.

  • 6 Moe // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:53 PM

    If we lose him then we lose him. It might be a lesson for the club not to depend too much on a single player.

  • 7 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 9, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    70TWO

    Your last post doesn’t make much sense. We don’t need to tout our players for sale! Every club knows that every player has his price. Only one club thought Carroll’s price was £35M though…

    The club has money to spend and we don’t need to sell any first team players.

  • 8 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    I think we do rely very heavily on 4 key players, most notably Cabs, but also Collo, Tiote and Remy, and also perhaps Krul. All teams do of course, but of the better sides we are the most vulnerable in this way.

    When any of those guys are missing our chances dip considerably, and also exponentially of course the more that are out, particularly against top sides.

    Man City, for example, bloody ‘ell.

  • 9 2_goal_tino // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    This surely can’t be the case. If this were true wouldn’t the vast majority of transfers just be for free with players being compensated on arrival at their new club? Most players’ contracts are less than their transfer value.

  • 10 MassiveG // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:06 AM

    I really think we should be doing everything we can to support Newcastle so if it’s true about Pellegrini not knowing City needed one more goal to top their group, then I think putting info like this on a site which, who knows, Cabaye’s agent or another club may read we risk it becoming a self fulfilling prophecy so pipe down on loopholes on our players’ contracts and focus on potential signings!

  • 11 Liciouz // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    This rule is very controversial, and in general not used at all unless the player for some reason is bench. At the time of the ruling on Webster, several clubs made it clear that they would sue any of their players attempting the same.

    Actually, perhaps the most famous player who has ever applied this ruling is our own Jonas Gutierrez as he moved to us from Mallorca.

    http://metro.co.uk/2008/07/04/newcastles-jonas-deal-in-doubt-247940/

    It’s so far-fetched in big football clubs today that I’m not even slightly worried.

  • 12 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:18 AM

    All these ‘could’ articles are annoying. We ‘could’ sign 4 players this window, we ‘could’ sign nobody…now Cabaye ‘could’ buy himself out of his contract IF a range of unlikely circumstances exist.

  • 13 ochytoon // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    I’m sure Cabaye keeps £6 million around his house. Another pointless article on this blog, and another reason why I don’t comment anymore

  • 14 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:26 AM

    Krul could leave this summer
    Remy could leave this summer
    Cabaye could leave this summer
    Colo could leave this summer
    Debuchy could leave this summer
    Ben Arfa could leave this summer
    Pardew could get sacked this season
    JFK could be caretaker manager again
    We could sign nobody this window
    We could get relegated…

  • 15 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:27 AM

    Very good review of the Fans Forum on the true faith site.
    It seems more and more “observers” either disbelieve or distrust NUFC. This certainly should not be the case between fans and the club -it seems to me that NUFC really do not understand the reasons why these types of forums are recommended by UEFA. Link to article:-
    http://www.true-faith.co.uk/true-faith-fans-forum-alternative-view/?

  • 16 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:29 AM

    OR

    We could sell no first team players this window
    We could sign 4 players this window to strengthen the squad
    Remy could sign permanently this summer
    Cabaye could sign a new contract
    We could qualify for the Champions League…

  • 17 70TWO // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    ToonDarnSarf

    My assumptions are based on impressions, so may be slightly confused. However, as Ashley is foremost a retailer I presume that as well as looking for cheap players to buy, he would also be looking for the biggest returns. If you were another football club owner would you not be cautious about approaching NUFC for a supposed ‘top’ player?

    Currently there are a number of players that need to be moved on and probably have minimal value, as a self sustaining business how will NUFC afford to purchase reasonable upgrades without high value outward transfers? I might be wrong here when considering the TV revenue, but is that enough to sustain the club when other sources are supposedly low?

  • 18 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    I think a professional footballer after ten odd years as a pro and on
    60 000 quid a week for the past 3 years is almost certainly potentially very capable of buying out the last 2 years of his contract.

    Although obviously it would not the best for us, I’d still think more power to him if he did, and can’t see anything unjust about it. It’s his life and his skill set.

  • 19 ochytoon // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:33 AM

    jimmysmith
    You over estimate the intelligence of footballers

  • 20 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:38 AM

    Mister Tuff

    Sadly, yet again an article full of holes sadly…

    For example, it’s really stupid when people keep mentioning our attendance in terms of making us more attractive to sponsors. What could is an extra few thousand in the ground when the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea will have millions more viewers worldwide?

  • 21 Anita the Legend // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM

    What a load of old cobblers.

    Why would any team pay the ridiculous fees that they do for players? Amounts like £50million plus are common place. Every team would just quietly explain that the player needs to but himself out then they’ll pay him back.

    There’s no way it’s possible. It can’t even be legal!

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM

    Didn’t we pay Mallorca a compensation for Jonas anyway regardless of the Webster ruling?

  • 23 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    Cabs doesn’t strike me as an unthinking person, and I believe intelligent people are more likely to suffer from depression, so I reckon Cabs might be able to pull together the funds if needs be.

  • 24 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:44 AM

    70TWO

    Many of the figures bandied around are misleading. E.g. the outsourcing reduces revenue but increases profit.

    Other clubs know that we won’t let players go on the cheap…and you see that as a negative?? There will be regular dialogue between our club and a club interested in one of our players. If we want to sell then we can quote a lower price. But why should we want to sell our top players unless we get huge money for them? Look at what Spurs did with Modric and Bale.

  • 25 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM

    TDS – please explain -full of holes.

  • 26 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:49 AM

    Why is going on strike not a “wise” move. He doesn’t seem to have suffered at all and it’s a very clear way of expressing unhappiness and flexing and exploring the power of your own position. It’s certainly a courageous thing to do.

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:55 AM

    Mister Tuff

    I already gave one example already. It’s too late for me to read and analyse it thoroughly but it’s not a balanced report with sweeping statements based on pure speculation.

  • 28 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:57 AM

    Jimmy

    No. It’s a cowardly and stupid thing to do. And probably backfired for him as it shows a character weakness. I wonder if Wenger was put off by this attitude rather than Cabaye turning in barnstorming performances to convince Arsenal to up their bid…

  • 29 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:01 AM

    TDS – do you think, perhaps, there could be any non evidenced claims by the club.

  • 30 lesh // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:03 AM

    According to the Torygraph article, Cabaye IS looking into the buy-out option. How true though, we’ll just have to wait and see.

    The article includes the following paragraph:

    ‘Some clubs insert additional clauses into their contracts to guard against players leaving like this, but Newcastle have refused to comment when asked whether Cabaye is able to take advantage of the Webster Rule.’

    The club has refused to comment, that could speak volumes!

    Knowing what little we do about the footballing expertise among those running the club, that paragraph is worrying! If there’s no such clause in Cabaye’s or any other player’s contract, that might explain Kinnear’s recruitment – not that he’d make any difference though.

    We’ve just got to hope that Charnley’s been on the ball with such a clause.

  • 31 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:08 AM

    I don’t know that its reasonable to say categorically he behaved in a cowardly or stupid way or that he showed a weakness in character. He may have felt the offer was a reasonably fair one and that the club was unreasonably impeding his professional and personal progress by not entering into serious negotiation and of course he like all of us is fully entitled to withdraw his labor if he feels he’s being poorly treated.

    I don’t know enough about the whys and wherefores of what went on to start calling him a cowardly, stupid or lacking in character over it.

  • 32 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    Mister Tuff

    What do you mean?

    I think, perhaps, many things are possible but I choose to not always assume the negative possibilities are any more likely than the positive possibilities.

  • 33 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:12 AM

    Jimmy

    Footballers have hugely paid contracts, they are not like you and
    I. If he wanted to leave he should have handed in a transfer request but should have continued to do his job.

  • 34 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:15 AM

    TDS – I’m trying to nudge you into taking a middle stance in the absence of any visible/researchable evidence. A reasonable observers view I suggest

  • 35 Ciaran // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:18 AM

    Mark

    Calm down, surely Mike cannot be paying you to work your spin to all hours of the morning.

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:22 AM

    Mister Tuff

    I do take a middle stance. I criticise the club for terrible PR, for not leaving the door publicly ajar to the NUST and media, for giving free advertising to a commercial partner (SD) and for not doing more to bridge the gap between owner and fans.

    That’s enough to take up with the club really. There’s no need to add other stuff that is made up, exaggerated or misunderstood.

  • 37 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:26 AM

    How does the size of a contract, effect an employees right to challenge an employer.

    Also slapping in a transfer request, why is that necessarily the correct course of action.

    Actually, I’m starting to labour the point a little. I simply tend to support the idea individualism and meritocracy and am naturally suspicious of the fairness of contracts in football.

  • 38 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:35 AM

    TDS – agreed they have terrible PR – I did a piece on Percy’s PR a couple of years ago -from his West Ham days to his current position. Not much has changed. Some time ago I sent them an email complaining about their response to the damage caused – to the lads playing amateur football at Wigan. Their response had been -”it’s got nothing to do with us”. They had in the meantime realised their PR gaffe and rectified matters. In the end they got a fantastic PR result. It seems they do not see the best opportunities initially.

  • 39 manxpie // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:37 AM

    this just goes to show players and agents have all the power
    even tho this report has just picked cabeye it could have picked probably 100 players in the same situation!
    and the fact its the mirror is sour grapes for me
    storm in a teacup springs to mind!

  • 40 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:40 AM

    Jimmy

    Well every footballer could play on a week by week contract if they really wanted to. But they don’t want the flexibility because it goes both ways…the club could get rid of them if they were no longer needed. A player can’t have it one way without the other.

  • 41 manxpie // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:43 AM

    and to think a player is able, after being bought for say 15 mil and payed 50 grand a week for 3 years costing the club 20-25 mill can then buy the rest of his contract for 5 mill is a joke!
    how that is allowed to happen is a mystery to me like!?

  • 42 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM

    Mister Tuff

    Agreed. MA doesn’t quite grasp how football fans think. Customers are not like other customers. Show me a SD customer who has only shopped in SD for generations, who goes on a blog about SD and who wears SD branded clothing at least once per week.

    The biggest mistake MA made was not getting a trusted football man in from the beginning. He could have stopped him from making stupid mistakes like other naive owners have done.

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Jan 10, 2014 at 1:55 AM

    TDS – good distinction between a shop customer and a “customer”/supporter of the club. Mr Tubbs without doubt knows more about the former rather than the latter.

  • 44 jimmysmith // Jan 10, 2014 at 2:06 AM

    The only strong argument I can think of for contracts as they exist in football is that it allows smaller clubs to grow and be fairly compensated for the time, effort and expense they put into developing players.

    In that respect I can see how it helps to maintain a leveler playing field and allow clubs greater opportunity to move through the leagues or hold their place.

    But to what degree does it work. How much of the transfer fee for Bale for example, did Tottenham fairly earn, relative to Southampton or the player himself, actually the size of the fee was probably as much down to DNA and upbringing as anything else, although the parents didn’t seem to have had their hands out.

  • 45 Sav // Jan 10, 2014 at 2:15 AM

    JFK better get Kebab’s file out straight away.

  • 46 RonVanDam // Jan 10, 2014 at 2:53 AM

    Bump his wage by 20k and he’ll stay

  • 47 LeToonARMY // Jan 10, 2014 at 2:58 AM

    I think we should go 3-5-2 against Man City and we might win it lool yh right
    __________________KRUL___________________
    ______YANGA_____WILLO____SANTON_______
    _SISSOKO_ANITA_TIOTE__CABAYE__GOUFFRAN_
    __________AMEOBI_________REMY____________

    Subs#
    S.Taylor
    Haidira
    Obertan
    Ben Arfa
    Jonas
    Cisse

  • 48 RonVanDam // Jan 10, 2014 at 3:04 AM

    LeToonARMY

    Like the team but i think knowing pardew, we’ll play a more counter attacking 4-5-1

  • 49 RonVanDam // Jan 10, 2014 at 3:14 AM

    And whats going to ruin it is that we will sit real deep and get hammered for 90+ mins

  • 50 potski // Jan 10, 2014 at 3:59 AM

    How can it be legal? Because it is in the FIFA regulations, and was imposed on them by European Law. Players cannot be forced to stay with clubs which don’t play them, they then have “sporting cause” to leave at the end of a season, without paying any compensation. So threats of managers to make professionals “train with the kids” are always likely to backfire. The clubs lawyers will immediately point out the potentially huge loss of money when it allows players to walk out of a club.

    Interestingly, this rule must also force managers to play squad players in some games, even when they would prefer to play their first 11. Most times injuries/suspensions will get a squad player 10% of games, but not always. And given how topical it is both at Newcastle and a number of other clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me that many of the managers play weakened teams in the cup competitions because they must give players some games to avoid this rule kicking in.

    Players under 28 can leave a club after three years without just cause, in other words for any reason they want. So Manxpie (apart from your maths being faulty) no this doesn’t apply to someone on a three year contract, who can walk away on a free any way. The rule is purely to make it difficult for clubs to tie players to long term contracts and never let them leave.

    It’s BS that clubs can place restrictions in the contracts on this rule. It’s a FIFA regulation.

    But it is one of the reason you often see players in long term contracts offered new contracts during this sort of period 2-3 years in. If Cabaye were to sign a new contract now, then the ability for him to walk away would not exist until 2017, etc. You will see that Gerard, Terry, Lampard will have had 5 year contracts but then had them renewed every couple of years.

    EVERY player on long term contracts is in this position, at our club and every other club. There is always risk, but the risk is really little more than the existing “Bosman rule” that allowed Simpson to leave last summer with no compensation to the club. He had done the three years of his contract and he could go elsewhere without a new club paying Newcastle a free.

    Cabaye can’t just walk away on a “free” in the summer. He would have to pay the club compensation, and it is not just the money left on his contract, but other expenses and fees the club has spent on him, and that would seem to include his initial transfer fee, agents fees etc.

    So players who have been at a club 3 years already, and have not had a contract extension mean the club is in a much weaker position to keep them, if the player wants to move on. The player can announce at the end of the season that he is leaving, pay the compensation and look for another club.

    But why would he do that if he can in any case get a transfer to another club where he doesn’t have to pay the compensation, and possibly gets a “loyalty bonus” under the terms of his existing contract and a signing on fee from the new club?

    It’s nonsense that Cabaye wll just put his hand in his pocket and pay out £6 million to Newcastle to get out of his contract. That’s as much as he has earned in the last two years. Did he have no expenses on cars, regular trips back to France to visit family, long summer holiday away in some swanky destination and a big house, probably paid up front? So he could easily have spent already a big chunk of the money he has earned from the club. And the rest he will have put away as an investment for his future once his career is over.

    If it were to happen, and I don’t believe it, then it in any case works both ways, and as has been pointed out, we got Jonas in circumstances like this. We could well have benefitted from this with a number of other players, where their club is prepared to sell them during the last two years of a long contract, rather than risk them leaving and getting a fraction of what they are “worth”. There would be a fee, just not silly money.

    To me the main the effect of this ruling is to stop owners saying they will only ever let someone go for ridiculous fees. And that is more relevant to the Cabaye situation. The club cannot say in the summer that “we will only let you go for £22m” when they know full well he can leave for £6m.

    This is nothing to get agitated about – if you believe that Cabaye is actually worth £22m then you are deluded. And again, it works both ways, given the owners of Montpelier were saying not so long ago they would only let Cabella go for a huge sum. Perhaps he is in the last couple of years of a long contract now, and they are being forced to negotiate a more reasonable sum.

    But note the suggestion that buying clubs can easily get players “dead cheap” because of this rule is crap. Other clubs and agents are not allowed to induce a player to break his contract, and leave before the end, even if they pay the compensation.

    “It shall be presumed, unless established to the
    contrary, that any club signing a professional who has terminated his contract without just cause has induced that professional to commit a breach. The club shall be banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, for two registration
    periods.”

    So Arsenal can’t just say to Cabaye, “pay the £6m compensation and then sign for us on a free, and we will give you a £6m signing on fee to cover it”. Any club who has been in contact with the player or his agent, or the current club, and shown an interest in acquiring the player, is not going to find it very easy to prove to FIFA they did not induce him to leave the contract. This is obviously why players are not doing this all the time. There is a significant risk that if he leaves and pays the compensation that interested clubs would not touch him for fear of FIFA sanction It’s probably why Collocini is not at San Lorenzo now.

    The truth is, lots of players every year leave clubs (usually at the end of their contracts on a “free”) and don’t get signed by another club for one reason or another. Their shelf life is short, and once they are out of the top level of the professional game even for a short period, then they might never get back into it. Most players (regardless of how bright they are) have agents, managers and friends who are going to advise them not to take that sort of risk.

    Would you pay your existing employer £50,000 to be able to leave your current job, when you don’t have a certainty of getting that money back?

    If he went to PSG for instance, because of the French tax laws they would have to pay him over £100K just to break even, and around £150K to make back the money he had paid out in compensation. And they might offer only a three year contract because of his age. He would get CL football, but would probably never get back the compensation he paid to Newcastle.

  • 51 Novocastrian66 // Jan 10, 2014 at 4:57 AM

    I don’t like any line up that includes Shola.

  • 52 shanghai fan // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:04 AM

    Assume he would need to pay that quoted amount, and it is post tax. What are higher rate income tax’s now? 40%? Which means he’d have to come up with 10m (the pre tax amount to compensate nufc). If the salary is stated pre tax, then he has earned 5.4m over the course of 3 years (3m x 3 yrs x 60%). Now if I had earned 5.4m over three years and needed to spend 6m to buy out my contract, I don’t think I would be prepared to do that. In either case, pre or post tax, it would be too high a financial gamble, especially if I only had 5 years of good earnings ahead of me. He’s 28ish right? If on the other hand I had 6 mths… Totally different story, and if this is the case we could really take advantage in some transfer dealings – Gomis for example

  • 53 shanghai fan // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:25 AM

    One other thing on buying out contracts, if this was cut and dried, why are there still massive fees for players, especially young ones. The young ones are on low wages and, taking zaha or even fellaini for example, Man U would have spent much less buying out their contracts. With millions at stake, I don’t think clubs would have overlooked this loophole lightly. All in all, I think the risk is low

  • 54 GeordieRob // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:25 AM

    Thanks Shanghai! Finally someone realises that this story is bogus. £60k per week pre tax does not give one £3m in a year.

    And with tax rates in France being what they are, he won’t have anywhere near enough to buy himself out of the contract. And to go where? Arsenal have a wage cap, so he won’t earn enough to make it worthwhile. French tax rates are now 85% so ligue 1 is out. Manure is the only option where he might get a game.

    BS on so many levels only designed to wind people up.

  • 55 Our Toon // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:25 AM

    Webster ruling would allow him to buy himself out of his contract, fans seem to think all he gets is a basic wage….add to that win bonuses, goal and assist bonuses (£prods around £7k – £15k) appearance bonus (£10k-£15k) outside endorsements, boot sponsor….the lad is very marketable is France.

    He will earn a good £2m at least from off field activities so the amount mentioned is peanuts, someone said footballers aren’t clever enough to think like that etc, well his agents are there for a reason….we had a debate about agents and they work round the clock to get the very best deal on and off the pitch.

  • 56 Our Toon // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:31 AM

    Players don’t buy themselves out of contracts because they then lose any bonuses that are owed to them by the club, same goes for requesting a transfer, think back to Rooney in the summer, he wanted to leave but never handed in a transfer request….don’t be naive on this subject, the day Cabaye signed i’m pretty sure he would have got a signing on fee of around £2m (minimum)

    Most agents put closes into contracts that if the player is sold and they havent requested a transfer then the player gets 10% off the transfer fee as a bonus

  • 57 GeordieRob // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:37 AM

    Our toon.

    I don’t know much about anything, but of one thing I’m certain: Her Majesty’s government always get her cut. Despite everything you say, he won’t have enough. Certainly not in cash if he has any plans from keeping his money away from the taxman in the future. No chance.

  • 58 ToonMatt // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:40 AM

    Who could blame him or any player if they wanted to leave this club? It’s been proven that we are the least ambitious club in the league? we don’t want european football and we don’t want to win cups, nobody can blame him for wanting to leave and win silverware.

  • 59 cyprus // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:49 AM

    Cabs if you want out, there’s the door. You ain’t the ‘next level’ believe me.

  • 60 Our Toon // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:50 AM

    Geordierob

    Yes the queen gets her cut no doubt about it but don’t believe for 1 minute that Cabaye only source of income is through us. He will have investments, restaurants, properties rented out, shares etc. What he earns here as a basic will only be a fraction of what he gets.

    Off field endorsements and sponsorships will amount in the millions, he could do a Gutierriez….Teams will know all this info and its probably been done in the past where they’ve asked a player to buy himself out of a contract and then paid the player a signing on bonus which reflected the buying out amount, football is a shady business mate

  • 61 Our Toon // Jan 10, 2014 at 6:54 AM

    Agree with you ToonMatt, we are a stepping stone because we have no ambition.

    Cyprus

    You say he isn’t the “next level”, well for us he’s the top level, our hub, the one who makes us click. Probably the first name on the team sheet!! The only creative player in a defensive starting 11. Who is going to replace him?

  • 62 cyprus // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:01 AM

    OurToon,
    I read you mate, but I admit, I ain’t convinced with this lad. Don’t get me wrong: He’s good but not excellent. He too often over-powers his passes, he can’t dribble very well, his tackles are reckless. He will warm the bench in a team like Chelsea alongside Ba.

    Is he the first name on AP’s team sheet? I think so, but, when he’s been out, his understudy has filled the gap and he wasn’t missed. We lose (or win) as much when he’s in the team. Couple all this with his desire to leave and you have my previous statement.

  • 63 Our Toon // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:11 AM

    Cyprus

    Whose his understudy? Please don’t say Anita, Anita has 1 goal in his Toon career and something like 3 assists.

    He would get into Chelsea’s team ahead of an aging Lampard, he woud get into Arsenal’s team ahead of Arteta and he would get into Spurs, Liverpool and Man Utd teams, interesting fact about Cabaye, 22 interceptions in oppositions half only behind Lucas Leiva on 23 interceptions.

    In an attacking team this lad would flourish, look at his record for us and we are defensive…he’s an all round CM, when he leaves most will be going on about how much we miss him, Anita prefers short simple passes, Cabaye is like a quarterback

  • 64 bills-son // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:21 AM

    Our Toon,

    Agreed. Anita is no substitute for Cabaye.

    Take Cabaye out of our side and we have no real creative CM and imo it is as big a weakness in our squad as our striker situation.

  • 65 cyprus // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:22 AM

    OurToon,
    Like I said, I get you. Blanc and others can’t be all wrong, so I have to admit I’m a bit out of the way on my impression.
    You use American football terms: interceptions, quarterback. Well, which is he? As you know, quarterbacks are offensive generals, they don’t do interceptions. We tout Cabs as an attacker, right? How many assists does he have per minute, compared to Anita? And how many attempted and failed assists? Again, I repeat, he’s a good player, just not wow outstanding. I hope I’m proven wrong in the world cup and/or when he’s at ……….

  • 66 shanghai fan // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:22 AM

    By the way in a follow up to my post, there’s also a national insurance cut of about 12%, which takes earnings down to 4.7m. He will also probably owe his agents some management fees, plus the nice sportscar, house etc. On Ourtoon post, I understand and respect your point. My opinion on additional income is that it would be secondary to his nufc pay. For a couple of reasons, he’s not superstar material yet, so he won’t command Ronaldo/messi rates, and I’m guessing those funds really ramp up if ur super famous, which he is not. But I don’t have data, so it’s just purely a speculative guess. Thanks GeordieRob for the kind comment

  • 67 cyprus // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:25 AM

    Off now, will check on comments later. Bye lads

  • 68 bobby mango // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:26 AM

    Doubt this will happen. As others have said if it was feasible then players would be doing the same thing all over the place.
    Any player who wanted a move would just buy up their contract… Must be other financial penalties involved.

  • 69 rivettCatcher // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:38 AM

    Total horse sh1t cockney bollox!

    Why pay 90M for Bail when it would have cost 5M to buy out his contract.

    Southern media sh1t stirring…. cucking funts :@

  • 70 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:51 AM

    I think a lot of these press people like to set the agenda.
    They think they are part of the club and if they don’t get the freedom of moving in and about the club/players, manager/owners they spit the dummy out and start making stories.
    Also certain members of the press support a certain club and will try the hardest to get players in they like by writing stuff hinting that a player is unsettled and would like to move to ‘their’ club.

    Sells newspapers don’t it!!!!

  • 71 shearer and the duchess // Jan 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM

    What a load of shite.
    It’s just been in the chronicle he’s looking to buy a house in Newcastle.
    Another made up story about him buying out his contract.
    Have we signed anyone yet? Thought not. Don’t expect it either.
    Ashley couldn’t be happier with the current league position.
    If he could choose which position to finish in before the start of the season, 8th would be it.
    Safe distance from Europe but respectable.

  • 72 Novocastrian66 // Jan 10, 2014 at 8:05 AM

    Shanghai; I’m with you mate. Wealth is relative. Whatever someone earns they generally spend it. A footballer will no doubt invest a sizeable portion of his salary to provide an income when they retire.
    For Cabaye to shell out £6m up front to buyout his contract is a big ask.
    Would his new employer give him a huge signing on fee to cover the cost? Is this allowed?

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jan 10, 2014 at 8:12 AM

    well surprise, surprise bills son having yet another dig at Anita!!

  • 74 Slank // Jan 10, 2014 at 8:18 AM

    This article is utter tripe. There have been far too many inaccurate and sensationalist articles from Ed. I am thinking that perhaps he has developed Alzheimer’s.

    I liked the comments fromTDS @ 14 on ‘coulds’. The list could be endless. The word ‘could’ is probably the favourite word used by journalists after ‘sources’ when they want to make up a story and not be sued.

  • 75 lesh // Jan 10, 2014 at 8:27 AM

    shanghai fan and others.

    If Cabaye’s contract is so drafted that it has a clause that denies him the opportunity to buy the remainder of his contract and his market value was say £15m, then a buying club would pay that to NUFC.

    Now if he has the option to buy out his contract, in other words his contract does not deny him the buy-out option, and that would cost him £10m to do so, then the buying club could pay Cabs a signing on fee that covers the £10m and leaves him a little something to buy himself a beer as it were.

    Whether he could buy his contract out or not, depends on whether it contains a non buy-out clause or not.

    A club that does/ did not have the wit to include a non buy-out clause is wide open to losing that player under those circumstances.

    We’ll find out in due course whether Newcastle United’s enlightened contractors have had the nous to negotiate a water-tight contract or not.

    But having had Ashley and Llambias with their in-depth knowledge of the business of football in charge of such matters, and now super-lawyer Kinnear, one can only wait and see.

    I suspect that Cabaye could buy-out if he wanted to. Pessimustic? Probably!

  • 76 shanghai fan // Jan 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Leah, nice clear post. You make some good points. I think the crux of your argument is on if a clause for buy out is in his contract. My point was, and taking fellaini and the 27 odd million they paid for him, for such sums of money I would not expect any football owner worth his salt to not negotiate (or bring in the best lawyers to not negotiate something so central). In the context of these sums, paying the best lawyers fees is small beer money. I’ll give you an example to illustrate my point, when I buy my house (and I may or may not be a property man) I appoint my lawyer to draft the contracts to protect me from losses. I think it is fair to say a top lawyer would have vetted the contract process, so I think we cannot use “they’re not football people” as an excuse. This really is a business / law issue, of which I think we can all agree, Ashley is astute at. Side note” wasn’t Chris Mort a lawyer by trade? :)

  • 77 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    URGENT MESSAGE TO THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THIS BLOG
    I don’t know whos is doing it at the moment ,Ed or his son , but please take note:
    I know Americans are supposed to be a bit on the naive side, but this Cabaye story was broken ny.
    A. Simon Bird who works for the Mirror group who are at war with NUFC at the moment because of the Chronic and Journo ban.
    S. Bird was also the chap JFK called a c**t while mnaging the Toon
    B. Steve Welch of the Telegraph who is a fanatical Gooner.

    By recycling this crap ,on this normally splendid site ,you are
    merely doing their NUFC undermining dirty work for these, so – called , Journalists.

    Rant over

  • 78 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    *by

  • 79 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 10, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    ADDENDUM
    The telegraph gooner fanatic is of course Luke Edwards not Steve Welch (freudian slip methinks)




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