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Pardew – Joe Hart Was Never Saving That Shot

6:22 pm, Sunday, January 12th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 332 Comments

Alan Pardew was furious with referee Mike Jones at half time after he had disallowed a fantastic Check Tiote strike, as the ball flew like greased lightning into the back of the net and Joe Hart was never going to get to that ball, and he hardly moved.

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Alan Pardew confronts referee Jones at half time

Three Newcastle players were in offside positions but were not interfering with play, and certainly Yoan Gouffran was not in the line of sight of the goalkeeper, so he was not interfering with play.

But Mike Jones still disallowed the goal in an absolutely bizarre decision.

Ala Pardew talked to the referee after the game and whatever explanation he got was not satisfactory, as he had tis to say to Sky Sports after the game:

“For me, this is an entertainment business. The guy’s hit a goal that Joe Hart is just not going to save. It goes through a number of bodies but his vision is not impaired.”

“I don’t think he was clear in his answers about Joe Hart being impaired – I couldn’t work that out.” “I don’t understand it. “Even if Man City’s back four is on the edge of the box and we’ve got four offside, it’s such a clean hit, it’s going in the top corner.”

“He’s got that wrong and unfortunately that was a massive call. In these type of games that have got to go your way.” “It was probably easier for him to give the goal and I can’t understand why he hasn’t.

“We’re crying out for entertainment, you hit and goal like that the place is in uproar, and he’s gone on a real tiny technicality, which I think is wrong.”

Goals change games, and when Cheick’s goal was disallowed Newcastle had come back after taking a hammering in the first 20 minutes, and Newcastle were on the offensive big time – so goals change games.

And goals disallowed by referees under controversial circumstances also change games, which is what referee Mike Jones did today.

We’ll have to see what happens, but usually when a referee has a poor game, which Mike Jones had today,  he usually gets a lower league game the next weekend.

But that’s not going to help Newcastle of course.

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332 responses so far ↓

  • 1 wolfshead@toon // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:24 PM

    the two down souths are having a spat now :-)

  • 2 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    Has anyone seen Vlad Chiriches’ goal against Fulham?

    Disgrace PL referees all of them

  • 3 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM


    no, i’m just super hungover from last night and can’t conjure the will to get out of bed and, seeing as i don’t post on here that often, hardly ever, reminding myself and others that your emergence only came with Kinnears appointment in his current role perhaps gives standing to conspiratorial notions that you are in fact employed by the club……

    in all honesty i’m just trying to give you a hard time because you’re overtly pompous and, although i don’t always post, i do read the comments when time allows and you are always starting an argument with someone and trying to come out of it vindicated, though no doubt each time you stoop as low as those you ridicule for doing so

  • 4 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    Pardew – he is England’s no 1

  • 5 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    norcal yeah he called me out for knowing nothing about football when i said we’re playing much better (which coincided with the turn in the game i might add!?)
    he really does boil my piss lol
    same with rotonda who is the the absolute fickle fan!!
    and he keeps on reminding us how he’s been there for 50 years!
    makes me wonder if he was calling for sir bobby tbh !!!!?

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    I don’t blame the ref or linesman for today. You see it all the time, not just offsides but also handballs and tackles/dives in the box.

    The rules are far too vague and allow the ref too much room for his own judgement.

    The fact that all refs are giving bad/wrong decisions so often this season shows to me the problem is more in the rules that individual refs. Just too much for then to judge in a split second, the laws need to be more black and white.

  • 7 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    I know, just a bit of a joke :) We could spend that kind of money on a really great player.

    Honestly man there’s no point in caring what catchy says. He’s just a bit slow and if you disagree with him he gets angry and logs off.

    Only time I’ve seen him be positive was I think the 1-0 victory vs Man U recently. And even then it was only because the blog was in universal agreement that we played well.

  • 8 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:32 PM


    agree completely with you. it was a tough call for the linesman to make. i wouldn’t have wanted to be the ref and have to decide on that one. a lot of unfair stick i thin

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM


    I’m not fab of pardew myself, don’t thinks he’s as bad as some say, but today he set us up well.

    the problem for me is you see today in Pre game interview he says that will attack as sitting back is asking for trouble, we press and have a good and look very good. My worry is why don’t we so this against the smaller sides, it would blow a lot of then away with our talent.

    I can see pardew is improving the passing play but when we play with the shackles on we are toothless which is the problem.

  • 10 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    what we really need is video replays. it’s so simple.

    blatter and platini love to strangle this game as best they can

  • 11 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM


    I’ll think you’ll find that I’m usually just trying to contradict the likes of Ruddy/Ciaran, MacToon, JfA and others who have overly negative views of the owner/manager/DoF. Those people are all very passionate fans but are also very closed minded and unwilling/unable to understand the intricacies of a modern football club. It’s people like that, evidenced by Ciaran’s disrespectful questioning or Lee Marshall on Twitter, that harm the relationship between club and fans.

    Those fans (can’t be sure if JfA is an Ashley out man though – so he may not be included in this statement), are the sort who are demanding that a man who legally owns a club to leave rather than focussing on how to improve things with him as owner. They argue like a religious fanatic and are blind to anything that contradicts their unflinching belief.

    Some people really can’t see the wood for the trees. There are genuine problems with this club but they just attack people at the club for everything rather than focus on the actual problems. No good will come of it.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:35 PM


    It’s just happening so often and too every ref it can’t be just bad work from refs who have never been this bad before.

    I hate the way players and managers about at refs too, accept the decision and move on, shouting does no good. If somebody screamed at me I know which way the next. 50/50 call would go…not their way.

  • 13 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    laudrop for people who said he doesn’t or would ever use injuries as excuses btw!!?

    “We lost the game but now we have to get some players back and win the next game. I think we are down to just 13 fit players now but we will see what happens in the week.”

    mmmm if you add the fact he said europe doesn’t make a difference and you should deal with it!
    and the fact lots of you used these exact same things to batter pardew with!!
    how about you lot look at the bigger picture next time!!!

  • 14 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    If the stories are true about some Qatari team offering 9M for Cisse then we should take thier hands off, after last summers carry on it clearly shows he doesn’t want to be here and he’s offering absolutely nothing to the team, but does Ashley still think he’s worth the 15M he was reduced from.

  • 15 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM


    to me, that last line in your second paragraph defines you on this blog as well. that’s not an insult, its just how i see things

    I’d like to hear what you think is wrong with the club, if you don’t mind.

  • 16 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM


    Er…there are a few dozen negative ignorant muppets. I stand by that. If I was including everyone who disagrees with me then there would be a lot more than a few dozen!

    I respect those who disagree with me, but I don’t respect those who cannot engage with me properly, cannot respond to specific points and are constantly lying to try to prove their stupid and ignorant points.

  • 17 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    Agree and Dis agree
    Thought it was an awful decision and the law on interfering with play for me has always been pretty clear cut, the ball didn’t take a touch, no one was blocking Harts view so there was no call to make, the managers knew it, our players knew it and Man City’s players knew hence why not one of them reacted

    That being said the result shouldn’t rest on that one moment, same as Arsenal we simply weren’t good enough in front of goal and our front 3 for me were massively ineffective today which there was no real reason for because our midfield was fantastic and giving them fantastic support and service yet we were limited again to long shots as the winger simply weren’t getting into good positions

  • 18 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:38 PM


    In fairness these people you mention don’t demand he just leaves, they demand he starts to actively look for buyers and try to sell as oppose to just staying put. There is a difference to be fair to people.


    No keen on video replay. Refs would use them too much if it was their call to be safe not sorry and if managers/captains could use them it could be tactical for counter attacks.

    Also video replays are not always conclusive, can often argue things either way so might cause as many problems as they solve.

    Goal line is fine as can be done quickly without stopping the game.

  • 19 MacToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    Eh, they (referees) went out of their way to disallow a perfectly good goal.
    Nothing to do with vague rules but poor refereeing. The standard of football has improved so much since the league became the Premiership, unfortunately the quality and standard of refereeing hasn’t.

  • 20 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    Just got back from match
    We were excellent didn’t deserve to lose.
    Just read some of the blogs saying Anita was crap.
    If you think he was crap then you nowt about football.
    Anita, Williamson and Tiote best players on the pitch.
    And now the old c**t that managers Shitty and their supporters winging on about our tackling and tactics of trying to get their players sent off.

  • 21 Ted Bundy // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:40 PM


    Got to laugh, he’s pretty much verbatim stole Ruddy’s schtick and the accompanying thunder.

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    You can’t be sure if I’m an Ashley out man, you think I want a man who I’d like to see imprisoned for his crimes against NUFC in charge of the club.
    As for us being anti Pardew although not his biggest fan I think you’ll find we’ve been quite supportive of him as he’s been dealt a sh!t hand.

  • 23 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:42 PM


    Worst thing categorically is the relationship between club and fans. SJH was great with this and his immediate successors (Douglas Hall and FFS) seem to have bathed in his grace despite being nasty pieces of work.

    But then Ashley came along, was arrogant enough to think he knew how to run a football club, managed to mess around 2 club legends and then presided over one of the 2 biggest clubs to get relegated in the PL era (the other being Leeds).

    That hurt many fans and the attitude from a minority ever since then has meant that the relationship is very hard to rebuild.

    Genuinely, I think most things with the club are exactly where they should be given that we only got back in the PL a few years ago. We should buy a new striker, a new centre half and some more young players but we’re well set. But I’d love to see the fans and the club heal some of the wounds and work well together.

  • 24 MacToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    I’ll think you’ll find that I’m usually just trying to contradict the likes of Ruddy/Ciaran, MacToon, JfA and others who have overly negative views of the owner/manager/DoF.


    and you are qualified to decide what is negative? Remind me of my views on pardew and JFK?

    You are an ignorant and arrogant gobshite DarnSarf.

  • 25 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM


    Same thing mate. Something that he won’t do until he wants to.

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:44 PM


    I think the problem is how much Europe effected us compared to how much it effected Swansea…we went from 5th to 16th….Swansea went from finishing 9th to currently in 13th.

    We rotated a lot, average 8 players a game for group stage of Europe.

    I accept it probably added to injuries and meant a disruption to training but we should have done better

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    I’m sorry but your just describing yourself
    Your not respectful in putting your point across
    You don’t engage people’s points, you rattle off on a rant of why they are wrong
    And you also twist facts to suit your points as you have done in your last sentence of the first paragraph of your post at 11

  • 28 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM


    fair enough, i just don’t see why you’re so quick to antagonize that belief that the relationship is utter crap. The last post you brought in up in jest about MA ‘not caring about the fans’.

    being a football owner is no easy task. but being a football owner with the level of contempt he shows year in, year out for us is even more difficult.

  • 29 lochinvar // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Ok statisticians – just how many other goals this season have been disallowed for a suspect interpretation of a dodgy rule by incompetent officials swayed by undue pressure from the mega bucks clubs ? That’ll be a zero then ?

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM


    It’s not at all…the fans demanded he sold before and he put the club up for sale so not totally pointless…it never sold but at least pressure told.


    This was a clearer one I accept, but for all the refs, not just some there should something more than standards dropping. For me in general rules are too vague on handballs and diving, far to difficult for refs to call sometime

  • 31 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    club owner*

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM


    Liverpool had a clear on side run (3 yards onside) disallowed at man city…it happens.

    There have been so many handballs and dives given as well which aren’t right and many not given. It happens to everyone.

  • 33 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    kompany- we were in the trenches today and his hardest game
    says alot doesn’t it
    especially against the people who hammer players and the staff before a ball has been kicked!

  • 34 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    People are using the disallowed goal as an excuse for Yanga Mbiwa to have been sent off.

  • 35 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:53 PM


    Speaking of negotiations, the likelihood of Papiss Cisse leaving Gallowgate this month has resulted in further efforts from Newcastle to secure a new striker.

    And as has been widely predicted, heading the queue of possible incomers is Dutch international Luuk De Jong, whose ill-fated stint at Borussia Monchengladbach is drawing to a close.

    A loan deal for the rest of the season with the option for a permanent move this summer is looming, by which time the 23 year-old could be joined on Tyneside by his elder brother, Ajax midfielder Siem.

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:54 PM


    I accept that, we have done well against all big teams but it means little when you put in timid performances against west brom, west ham, Sunderland, Cardiff, Hull, etc

    It’s not all doom and gloom by a long means but we need this intensity and threat in all games, not just the big ones.

  • 37 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:58 PM


    It may not be all doom and gloom but there is nothing to be excited by either.

  • 38 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    ToonDarnSarf – I can conclude from your comment about the officiating today that you are an unapologetic Devil’s Advocate. You seem to take the contrary stance for the sake of it; well, bravo, if thats contributing to lively blog discussion, but your stance on todays refereeing is a poorly judged one. In my humble opinion of course, but also, I suspect, in the majority of analyses today (apart from subscribers to the blue half of Ranyville). I can see why some would take the view that you do seem to propose an opinion more for the sake of controversy than honest assessment of things that actually happen.

  • 39 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    Our scouts were present at Bordeaux vs Toulouse. Been told by friend who is a Season ticket holder at Bordeaux I Am guessing Ben Yedder

  • 40 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    sage but my point is he made a big point of europe not making a difference to league form

    and many on here have used that quote to hammer pardew!

    but there form and injuries have proven that it does effect the league position
    if it didn’t and laudrop was such a great manager they’d certainly be in the top 10 at least especially with the money they’ve spent!?
    i’m just pointing out the fact lots of laudrops supporters hammered pardew last season with the exact same thing and i mean hammered! lol

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:01 PM


    I wouldn’t say that much. I don’t think we have much or anything to challenge for this year but we can still see some exciting games.

    Even if you don’t enjoy the style of football I think it’s still exciting as all out games are close.

  • 42 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    TS.,,I gotta agree with tads on this!

    …it should have very clear for the ref to know what to do in that situation. And yes we are very ineffective in front of the goal – that said Citeh really gave us room today. Would have loved for Benny to have started :)

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:02 PM


  • 44 Spellcheck // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    Himanshu, you’re India’s No1………. TOOL. 😉

  • 45 MacToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    TS, I suppose some rules are open to individual interpretation. I do still stick to my point of continuously poor refereeing in the Prem. I’d actually like to see more technology used to assist refs and if done correctly, would enhance the matches.

  • 46 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    Balon D’or for the referee

  • 47 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Spell check we finally agree on something 😉

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM


    I do agree with what you say and for people to say Europe doesn’t effect anything is wrong. It does have some problem, even with a deep enough squad you still have to alter trainig and match prep…and for pardew who hasn’t managed in Europe before like that it will have taken him time to adapt.

    I’d say laudrup is still doing a good job as they have missed bony and michu for chunks of the season which is their total strike force….I don’t remember is missing a whole are of the team.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    There’s a lot of rubbish written on here and I should know as I write most of it, but that day you justified not replacing Leon Best by saying we had Shola and the prolific gangster No Danger, you pretty much proved you just argue for the sake of it.

  • 50 John Tudor // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    robbing barstool

  • 51 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    My gosh @Mr Transfer Sage @6
    You don’t blame the referee or linesman as the rules are far to vague?
    There was nothing vague about that situation. It was as clear as can be.
    I haven’t heard of one chap at the ground or on TV say he got it correct.
    Come on Mr Sage.
    I like the cut of your jib normally but you have called this one wrong my young fellow.

    I had a clear view from my executive box behind the patio doors and there was no doubt Mr Gouffran never interfered with play.

    I bet you said that to have a little tickle with the chaps on here didn’t you, you little rotter.

  • 52 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM


    FFS stop correcting your grammar. :( we can interpret for ourselves

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    europa league doesn’t seem to be hurting Spurs and swansea aren’t far off where they were last season before they won a cup.

    can understand Pardew being wound up but calling someone a c- – – -shows his lack of class.

  • 54 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    sage agree on the fact we need the consistantcy
    and that is a big problem but we ain’t played really bad this season apart from a few games
    but tbf if you take a look at this blog you’d think we were bottom of the league!
    infact managers in lower leagues get more praise then our own
    even tho we are 8th after a very hard run!
    no wonder not many post anymore tbh!!

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Mac toon

    Other than goal line tech we use now what could be done? Possibly offside but even then would need to stop the game at times.

    I think even rugby only use it for tries to see if the ball is over the line, not for any other foul on the field.

    Other sports like tennis and cricket have natural stoppages too for reviews to take place.

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    HD…it just bugs me with this new phone…it is playing tricks on me I am telling you 😉

    …I try to stop correcting myself in the future…I promise lol

  • 57 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    rotonda there 3 points of the relegation zone fella so please stop with that excuse!!

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    it’s not the players who get hammered, it’s the manager

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    HD…I just really want to correct myself there :)

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:11 PM


    I just couldn’t remember about Ashley so didn’t want to tar you with that brush automatically.

    I think you’ve all abused Pardew over the summer and at the beginning of the season but have changed your tune with a few decent results.

    The squad is good. It’s right up there with Everton’s and must be the 8th best.

  • 61 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    I must say, Mr Pardew looked dashing today in his suit and I bet the ladies thought he looked handsome when he lost his temper with Mr Pellligrini.

    I thought Newcastle United were fabulous today. I loved my first game at St James Park. So much better than supporting those blue moon chaps. I used to get so bored winning with ease all the time.

    At least following Newcastle United Football club has
    humbled me. I’ve always followed the top teams but this is so much more fun.

    I’m a maggie for life now.

  • 62 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM


    Come on..Best wasn’t exactly amazing! Shola is better and Ranger had loads of potential…before he ruined it

  • 63 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM


    if you get a chance watch Vlad chiriches’ goal for spurs against Fulham.

  • 64 Spellcheck // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    Nice one Indian. Got no cricket to watch?

  • 65 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM


    Eh? I said it was a shocking refereeing decision! What else could it be? I just said that these things will hopefully even themselves out over the course of the season. Hopefully we’ll get some luck in the next few games.

  • 66 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Anyway…got sidetracked with a real life conversation. So signing off now…can’t be arsed to get back into it…

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM


    I think we should be 8th with this squad so pardew is average, we are having and average season, not good or bad, some positive changes to our play but can see why people want an upgrade. I’d swap cabaye for iniesta just like if swap pardew for guardiola…so can see why people want to upgrade the manager as the team upgrades….but I agree with you it’s not as bad as people make out. It’s more a mentality change from pardew than much else.

    Shearer and duchess

    Yes it was a poor decision but the rules allow this sort of misinterpretation to happen no matter how tight or not so the interference is.

    Refs have bad games, we benefit from decisions at times so I don’t like to complain too much.

  • 68 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    plus spurs replaced 1 guy with 6-7 guys!!
    so again your argument is shit mate
    we baught 1 player!!! thats it!!!!

  • 69 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    Next time I can actually make it up for a home game, I’ll meet any of you who want to for a beer.

  • 70 John Tudor // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    not from him fiddling git

  • 71 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    Spell check

    Looking at England my appetite has dimmed. I must admit

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    You can trawl every post you wish you will not find my views on Pardew differing, I’ve stated many times I don’t like him but very rarely slate his limited ability, so for you to say I changed my opinion over a few good results is a downright lie and fu##kin out of order, Ranger one in fifty eight, huge potential.

  • 73 MacToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Generalise with no proof, good one gobshite!

    Anything black or white TS such as offsides in some instances. Anyway this detracts from a poor refereeing display in the first half today, shocking infact.

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM


    we were 3 points off relegation last season and finished 16th.

    I appreciate Laudrup because europa or no europa, at least he goes out to win every game and entertain.

    Even without michu and Bony and having played 3 games in 6 days they still beat us 3-0.

  • 75 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    @Mr Sage

    I don’t want to labour the point but it was an outragious refereeing decision and the rules should never had caused a problem.

    Your jib is looking a bit shreaded round the edges now my good fellow.

  • 76 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Awwww shoooot sorry ToonDarnSarf – I skipped a few lines and mixed you up with Transfer Sage. My apologies, sir, I will retract my ‘Devil’s Advocate for the sake of it’ line.

    Until the next time. :)

    Right, now to rip into Sage – You are wrong on that mate, far too diplomatic a stance, as no matter how much you tighten the regulations, there will be a nugget who will still foul it up. Rules like this are the best attempt of the day to try and make the game fair without botching the action or the advantage. It gives a chance for a well-qualified official to exercise fairness, but on this occasion we didn’t get one. Bad decision, f he didn’t see it properly, he should ahve let the goal stand. Consulting wth a liney who couldn’t commit to an opinion was redundant and only highlighted his error.

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:23 PM


    selective memory again. what about the 6 players we bought in Jan. You’re not slagging them off surely

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    TS…I’ll tell you what you come and work for me, but just don’t tell me it’s my fault when you fuck up because I gave you too much freedom to make your own decision (when that is what I pay you to do 😉 )

    …it is only human to make mistakes – and I want a human referee, but todays call was an odder disgrace! We have talked about this before – the decline of the standard of refereeing in the PL. Today was another example of it.

  • 79 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    sage well tbh it does annoy me saying we’ve got the x best squad so we should finish x
    if that was the case then city would win every season including last
    this is the prem and thats why its exciting
    if pardews got us in this position after a very hard run at this point of the season then i would say he’s done and the lads very well but thats my oppinion
    but to hammer him for “only” being in this position imo is an injustice

  • 80 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM


    TS…I will tell you what you come and work for me, but just don’t tell me it’s my fault when you f@ck up because I gave you too much freedom to make your own decision (when that is what I pay you to do 😉 )

    …it is only human to make mistakes – and I want a human referee, but todays call was an odder disgrace! We have talked about this before – the decline of the standard of refereeing in the PL. Today was another example of it.

  • 81 clinath@ed // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    Jesper….did you mean LOL.?

  • 82 Spellcheck // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    Lol. Well said you butt plug

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM


    Oh I agree it was a bad decision, but the rules allow for these kind of things to happen, what do they count as interfering with play? Touching the ball, looking like touching the bal, moving last minute, blocking a keeper, etc….I know this was quite clear cut but with the rules as they are this sort of things is bound to happen…usually it’s the other way where a player does interfere but it’s not given.

    No excusing the ref but this isn’t an isolated incident.


    I agree the standard is dripping in quality of reffing, just trying to suggest a possible reason. There must be something behind it, even if my point is wrong, there is always a reason for things…I’d love to see standards rise .

    It annoys me when they keep saying it’s an entertainment business, it is but first and foremost it’s meant to be a fair sporting contest and rules should be made to benefit the sport not entertainment which I think leads to problems.

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    Clinath…maybe 😉

    …what are you refereeing to? …or where are to referring to?

  • 85 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    so rotonda we beat man u at old trafford in the league
    swansea lost there without rooney n van persie!!
    and my point is if you can understand the timing rotonda if its not to complex for ya!!!!!!??
    we baught 6 players half way into our european season!!!!
    so again your argument is shit!!

  • 86 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Shocking decision from the ref. Ferk knows why he disallowed it.

    Though I think getting robbed made us play far better, because up to that point we were rubbish.

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM


    I agree he shouldn’t be hammered for this. He’s performing as expected or me so gets a bit of praise and he’s doing an average job…not excelling and not failing.

    Id say that if city don’t win the title they have failed and not performed as they should. I agree this can happen but will say it shouldn’t happen often…but even city have very close rivals with arsena and Chelsea having close squads to theirs.

    So if we not just underperform it’s not the end of the world, it’s when we drop to 16th serious questions should be asked….not definitely a sacking but there needs to be reason explained and strategies to go forward which I think it seems there was.


    Yes today’s was a shocker but I happens with refs. The standards slip but I can’t say 100% why…must be something behind it, just making a suggestion.

    I think there is something to be said for some rules being vague, if at work you don’t give people below you enough guidelines and structure and trust them to make bigger/more judgement calls than they should do then it’s an issue.

    At the same time though I do see your point that as a ref and knowing those rules they should be trained and capable of dealing with it.

  • 88 John Tudor // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    6k made him disallow it

  • 89 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Belfast is usually at fault for most other things though.

  • 90 clinath@ed // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    Sorry Jesper….I was about 30 mins behind the blog, when I typed it. Confusing, but you got the gyst!

  • 91 Thump // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    I’ve watched that goal close to 20 times now and I still can’t see why it was disallowed. Even the “official stance” is that it was a legitimate goal. God knows what was going through Jones’ mind… well, he was thinking about the money.

    As for the “rant”, both Pellegrini and Pardew have said it was nothing, but I fully expect Pardew to be sent to the stands for the next few matches.

  • 92 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    He was actually nowhere near the keeper lol
    Think he’ll be sent to ref in the conference next week.

    Mbiwa should have been sent off for that tackle on Nasri as well to be fair.

  • 93 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    Oh no the smelly one has arrived….

  • 94 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    I thought the atmosphere was electric. My finely quaffed hair ended up standing on end like Don King with the static electricity being generated.

  • 95 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    damn bloody spelling! Coiffured hair I meant.

  • 96 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Transfer Sage ‘ comment 12

    Suppose that makes you a dishonest Cheat ?

  • 97 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Did you call anybody a knobber yet.
    Tennis, cricket and Rugby all use video refereeing, what’s the hold up ?

  • 98 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    There’s some real spunky fellows on here again tonight.

  • 99 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    Yep a rainy weds eve in yeovil for the whistler methinks, not justice enough.

    Mbiwa’s tackle is blown out of proportion b the result of it. It wasnt a studs or two legged jump, it was a swipe with a leg o eg which unfortunately caught Nasri’s knee awkwardly. I didnt think it was malicious, more to impede play but thats all. Having said that, he already did enough writhing in previous tackles to suggest he had lost both legs so no real injustice with the end result there.

  • 100 Malta Mag // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Hate to sit on the fence with the offside decision but you can see the argument of interfering with play because as Brian a Clough once said, if you’re not interfering with play then you shouldn’t be on the pitch. The real shame is that it was such a perfect strike that everyone knows Hart would never have got anywhere near it. As for the performance, well top class and once again we showed that we are nearly there and knocking on the door of those Champions League places. As for Pardew, well for me he proved again he’s the right man and as he showed again today, has the passion for the battle.

  • 101 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    well sage ya pretty much agreeing with me lol
    it really just annoys me that the constants on here keep on sticking up for other teams managers
    and then hammer our own
    thats why i brought that up just to show that excuses and reasons aint exempt

    and rotonda you say he goes n plays to win!?
    hes had 5 wins in 30 and in the last game he had 65% possesion and 2 shots on goal!!
    and i’d bet thats how his season has been all season
    so please tell me how its different!?

  • 102 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Sage ..just joking mate.

  • 103 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Shearer Transmitted Duchess – c’mon its Beattie isn’t it? Possibly G2 it has the same twang as the Manly Man Entrepreneur.

  • 104 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    TS…I get where you are going mate 😉

    …just wanted to throw it out there because today I really thought the ref made a bad f@ckup! Mistakes are only human, but so is admitting it!

    …now that would be big if he did that (I am saying this without knowing if he has? lol)

  • 105 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Shearer and the duchess ..

    heard it all before ..your boring with that posh persona shit.

  • 106 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Just back from the game
    Great entertainment and yes a poor decision
    But we did enough to win and when needed today Remy was not up to it he had three clear chances ,so whilst we can blame the ref for a. Very poor decision we should look at our selves
    We desperately need quality in front of goal and remy at the moment is desperately in need of help

  • 107 clinath@ed // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    I see your point Malta, but the offside rule has been fckuked about 100 times since Mr Clough’s time.
    Sadly I might add.

  • 108 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Alright Jail,
    Yeah Tsunki and Ibiza are both knobbas to be honest.
    Where is Ibiza these days by the way ? Did somebody drown him or something ?

  • 109 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Mr Tsunki

    Youre an inquisitive chap.
    I am new to this forum and new to supporting Newcastle United. I don’t know who these fellows are that you speak of.

    I like you though.. A real spunk.

  • 110 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Belfast…he took the Wenga Bus to the States in an attempt to sow his royal oats 😉

  • 111 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    tsunki i thought the exact same thing at the time
    his and everyone elses writhing on the floor after every tackle is like thew boy who cried wolf
    and tbf it really couldn’t have happened to a nicer twat of a player!!

  • 112 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    …but he ended up in Palms Spring (Golden Ladies that’s what he got 😉 ) lol

  • 113 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    Well if you havent seen the pic comparison vetween Tiotes goal today and the one against Arsenal, @NufcNewsNow1’s Tweet:

  • 114 bills-son // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM


    Dead right, if Remy had been on song (which he hasn’t been for a few games now) the result even allowing for the disallowed goal might have been different.

    We desperately need a ST in this window.

  • 115 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    Now unless otherwise abused I’m going off to watch

    Hugh Fearnly Whittonstall ..A cook on the wildside..then River Cottage ,,you can sometimes see one of my old guitars make an appearance at river cottage . Shut it the lot of ya. !

    I will of course be drinking a few bottles of Miclelob and some Mexican Nat’s piss . night all, unless otherwise abused.

  • 116 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    Mr Online Guy

    I do not want to upset you my good fellow.
    I was warned before I joined the Toon Army that i would meet foot soldiers like you.

    I like your feisty attitude though. I bet you are insightful into the world of football.

    I will keep an eye on you to see how much wisdom you can pass onto me about my new football club.

    Are you pre Keegan or post Keegan?

  • 117 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    I was at the match and agree with charlie in the gallowgate. Best performers were tiote (player of season for me), anita and willo.
    Great game spoilt by a deplorable refereeing decision. Pardew was bang on with his assessment of it.
    Very good performance from the lads. We were the better team and dominated the game.
    Pardew got the subs wrong again. Anita was getting better and better when he was taken off and gouffran still had plenty left in the tank. Sissoko was poor as usual and shouldn’t even have started in my opinion. We were just getting some great momentum going when Pardew decided to tinker.

  • 118 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Very hard luck with the disallowed goal. It shows again that the game needs some sort of one per game video appeal process. That might have changed the outcome to a draw if the goal had stood. We seem to give the ball away at the crucial point of many attacks however. Very wasteful. And I’m increasingly disappointed with Remy. As for Santon, many giveaways again, especially in the first half. It sounds like several players may be on their way out but it might all come to nothing again. Jonas as more or less said goodbye however so he seems to be done.

  • 119 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Yes Badly need a new striker. I’d actually be in for Jelavic if the price was right. Need somebody who’s a big lump and can hold the ball up. Don’t think Remy offers much when playing on his own.

  • 120 bills-son // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM


    I’ve made exactly the same point about Laudrup.

    Since he won the League Cup Swansea have produced relegation form. But, he is foreign and doesn’t talk with a cockney accent.

  • 121 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    tsunki its pringles cum sock obviously (with the spunky reference!)
    don’t go giving beattie credit for funny posts!!!

  • 122 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    Shearer and the Duchess fav cousin has a box at St’James. I can sit a drink Champagne until its coming out of my nostrils and eat my way through 5 courses but you know what ? I would rather jam me cock in the car door.

  • 123 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    How do you feel about being a real spunk Tsunki mate? I’ve been called a real punk in my time but not the other. Still as long as you’re a manly man everything should work out well.

  • 124 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Yes I agree, with a more teeth up front we could have had the game, our mdfield rattled them more than most teams this season, their passing technique gets them out of trouble but we matched them for skill and guts today, we would have murdered the mackems and those oher crap sides if we had done the same against them. A positive today is that a decision like that can break a teams spirit, it bolstered ours today, the spectacle of Tiote of all people calming Sissoko down is one to remember! I think we may have found our new captain now after todays performance.

  • 125 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    I am not a Pardew fan – still unsure of the reasoning behind many of the things that he does. However, I have to say he did very well today with his man management and his substitutions. After the last 15 minutes of that first half I was sure we were going to have a red or at least a second yellow within the first 15 of the second half. He calmed them down in the dressing room and sent them out knowing that we needed to keep our heads.

    After reclaiming composure he then put Ben Arfa and Cisse on at the right times – not too early, and pulled the right people for them. As a Premier league manager he should do that perfectly every time and I probably shouldn’t need to comment that he got it right this time, nevertheless, for my part, I think he did very well today.

  • 126 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    Just seen a replay of the mbiwa tackle, not sure if it should be a red or not, is go for not a red but not sure what the exact laws state.


    I wouldn’t say consciously but subconsciously it happens.

  • 127 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    What is it that appeals to you about jamming your johnny into a car door online mate @121? I find it to be quite the opposite. If I’m watering my horse beside my car I keep the door firmly shut. :)

  • 128 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    GT…Spunk or Tsunki that is prefers to be called Skunk 😉 so I have been told lol

  • 129 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Tsunki/GT…this is something we have here in little DK:

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM


    I’ve said the same on Martinez last year. It’s ok playing nice football but you need the results too. He has shown he can do it this year though and really impressed me in the transfer market.

    I’d say laudrup is currently struggling but the again looking at his team he isn’t too far off where you’d expect them, not having a nightmare but not excelling either.

  • 131 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    Thought remy did well but he is better when moving around across the line right of left but he is defo not a lone striker ,his confidence seems low in front of goal
    Sissoko worked hard but is not a wide man some powerful runs though seems to get confused when he arrives anywhere near goal
    Cisse is a waste of a shirt I have never seen such an ineffective sub as him today if there is any truth in the Qatar rummor get rid

  • 132 Toon Tang // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    goal of the season chalked off coz the ref had the painters in . still cant believe it

  • 133 Belfast // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    I can’t even remember Cisse touching the ball to be honest

  • 134 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    Ok also not panicking on signings yet. Ideally need a few in but won’t ruin our season if we don’t.

    If we get 2/3 who can play wide, attacking mid and a striker then we had plenty options to alter things and attack more.

  • 135 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    It would serve us well if Pardew got sent to the stands. He would get a better view of what is actually happening. I seriously doubt whether he fully appreciates what’s happening from his ground level vantage point. It’s not as bad as that of tv viewers of course who follow the ball around the park through a little window.

  • 136 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    I know gouffran runs a lot But never seems to finish 90 minutes

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM


    I posted a stat yesterday that shocked me when I read it.

    Sissoko has created the most chances for us this year and has 4 assist (also the most).

  • 138 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    Transfer ..just joshing with you on comment 12 ..I aint bin on in a while good to see you .

  • 139 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    Pardew had to react to City’s subs and compromise i going for a goal, not easy. I would have subbed Sissoko for HBA much earlier, and changed Remy for cisse, leaving Anita and Gouffran on. But hey, he took a risk and it didnt work.

  • 140 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Benny should have come on before Cisse Belfast mate. Cisse made no impact whatsoever whereas Benny was straight into the game. He needs more playing time than 10 minutes. If that was putting Cisse in the shop window it didn’t work. Please sell him to the team in the Middle East interested in him Ashley. We absolutely must get another striker in. Several players should be leaving us in fact.

  • 141 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM


    If cisse had touched the ball he would have been offside.

    Pardon the pun 😉

  • 142 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Tell Harry he needs to knock 50% off the asking price.

  • 143 martoon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie – I agree about the subs – as soon as Anita went off we lost the midfield and Cisse was useless HBA was OK.

  • 144 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    A solid striker and a pacey wide man and no departures we will surprise a few in the remainder of the season,so many of our boys fighting for Brazil is a real positive
    Overall today was a great performance full of bottle and passion

  • 145 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    With the amount of space Citeh was giving us I would have loved for Benny to have started that game!

    …sometimes I do wonder how bad Sissoko has to play to be benched or how ineffective Remy has to be to sit next to Sissoko 😉

  • 146 ~Anita One Bites The Dust~ // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    For those whinging at the call, it came as no surprise to me.

    With all the rub of the green against stoke.. the floodgates holding the torrent of sh!t was always gonna burst. Where there is good luck.. there is bad..

    The ref and assistant are still tw@ts though.

  • 147 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    We must sign Domenico Berardi only 19 or Simone Zaza

  • 148 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Madisontoon were you at the game or did you follow the ball around a green background through a little glass window?

  • 149 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    I’m beginning to like this spunk business jesper mate! The annual general meeting of the Manly Mens’ Club is coming up soon by the way. Some key topics:
    1. Chest hair, what does the future look like for our keystone product?
    2. Have we focused too much on nose hair in the last couple of business cycles?
    3. With the latest Stud Muffin incursion into the U.S. where should we send him next for maximum manly impact?
    4. Can the club afford a Countach for our prize Dane jesperfuglsang.
    5. Is the trilby making a comeback?
    Stay tuned for the exciting outcome for these and many other manly questions.

  • 150 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:19 PM

    On my phone now so may have missed posts…


    Are you saying that you’ve never called for Pardew to be sacked?

  • 151 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:19 PM

    I wanted to comment on Arsenal game .

    .seconds before they got the free kick that leads to the soft goal, the ref was standing watching as colo was smashed in the back from behind, ref was right on the spot and he had his eyes on that incident .

    .it was a blatant free kick to Newcastle ..the ball is played across by Arsenal ..Tiote ? runs passed the little Spanish guy who goes down as the wind from Tiotes shorts passing by at speed.. leads to him going down as though he’s been shot by a sniper in the Leazes end..Arse get the free kick and score .

    another case of bad refereeing ..

    WE were done .

    Im off to watch PJ Harvey ..

  • 152 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:19 PM


    yeh i guessed haha…good to see you back.


    sissoko has created more chances and assists than any other newcastle player this year, so must be doing something right.

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    I think with cisse contributing so little this year (whether people blame the manger or not for that) it would be good business to move him on if we recoup all the money providing we use that to bring in a couple forwards as we already need one.

    I don’t think cisse is a bad player but he just looks burnt out with us, mentally shot to bits so both us and him need a change of scenery i think.

  • 154 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    to be honest bills i robbed ya stat but i agree lol
    tbh we haven’t had a left footed winger for 5 years!!
    or a shola replacement i.e a big hold up striker again for at least 5 years
    so our attacking force has been limited for a long time
    but still we get we’ve got the best squad ever!??

  • 155 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:22 PM


    there is nothing wrong with changing opinion based on results….not just on result but over a period of time.

    if we struggled over a full season it’s fair to ask questions i think.

  • 156 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    You can’t fault Pardew for trying to get Cisse involved and trying to give us a different option up front. Cisse has been terrible, but if you put yourself in Pardew’s shoes, he had to play him. Pardew couldn’t just sit there and not change things and keep our only other striker on the bench. I also don’t think he could put him on earlier as he has been providing so little. A Cisse substitution is clearly a roll of the dice and you can’t do that too early in the second half or we could have been on the end of another 4(+) – 0 thrashing if he give it away everytime he gets it and essentially leaves us playing with 10 men as he’s so often invisible on the pitch.

    I’d have been alright with a Ben Arfa substitution earlier. Wasn’t too far off what I would have expected though, so I’m alright with it.

  • 157 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    We need to sign micky quinn and mark mcghee, or peter withe and alan shoulder. Anyone who knows how to score from one or two yards.

  • 158 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Uh oh – stats being used to prove a player is good again! The problem is that although he has created chances etc I would like to see the stats on chances wasted, bad touches, poor crosses. I bet HBA has better stats by a long way for time on the grass. I’d rather see my assists coming from him any day.

  • 159 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Manchester city = The Harlem Globetrotters of Football

    Great Team but Joke Club.

  • 160 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    what was a good point made post commentary of the sunderland fulham game on radio newcastle was the variation in set plays they have seen under poyet and how it produces good chances and goals.

    For me ours go 95% to willo which never result in a goal…the only ones we have scored from this year have gone to remy and gouffran, i think we need more variation there.

  • 161 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    I’ll play devil’s advocate when I think it’s appropriate and I’ll take the balanced view more often than not but I struggle to think how anyone can defend the decision to rule that goal out!

    The only possible justification I can think of is that the ref was (mistakenly) convinced that Goofy touched the ball. It’s just ridiculous to think anyone was interfering with play.

  • 162 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM


    Unfortunately just followed it around on a screen. Live in the States so that’s all I get. Happy this year that NBC took over Premier league coverage and we can get every game now.

  • 163 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    I still can’t believe we have (apparently) turned down £9 million for Cisse .

    I would have personally took him to Qatar on a pedalo for that price .

  • 164 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    First half hatrick for Berardi.

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM


    i wouldn’t say joke club…chelsea are a joke club as they buy stacks of kids in to never play them and change manger so often there is no point in him developing kids as he wont be there in 2 years.

    At least man city invest heavily in a massive academy, top coaches and kids and very heavily in the local area to improve it for local people.


    I’m not just saying that makes him a better player as there is more to playing on the right than just assists and chances…there is a lot more such as general passing, clever runs to pull players and make space etc…..just tying to say he isn’t doing an awful job given how much he defends as well.

  • 166 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Madisontoon Are the yanks getting into it? Hows it going down?

  • 167 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    I have been a benny fan but I have finally lost patience IMO he is unable to fit in a team great talent but greedy beyond belief
    He arguably lost us a draw against Arsenal and wba and again today blasted into the side net with others in better positions
    He is too much a luxury I think

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    After reading the actual law for offside, not just going off how pundits describe it I retract what I said about this rule being too vague, seems very clear cut,

    A player can be ruled offside, even if they do not touch the ball, if they “interfere with an opponent” by “preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball”.

    Law 11 in the Fifa rulebook

  • 169 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    G2 – still getting to grips with being constantly insulted as a Skunk. I regretabbly stooped to calling Belfast ‘BelFats’ once but I felt cheapened. :)

    I know…Man City should be called ‘PlastiCity’ and be done with it.

  • 170 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    TS…I thought Marv did that last year to mate 😉

    …Sissoko has still been bad lately!

  • 171 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM


    Of course not. But it’s daft to go from one extreme to the other as some have some. Pardew should have got the backing once they decided to retain him. He deserved a few months once that decision was made.

    Yet there are some who ignorantly claim that Pardew is. League One level manager and similar stupid insults.

    He got us to 5th but he wasn’t a world class manager, then he took us to 16th but he wasn’t a League One level manager.

  • 172 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    Madisontoon even though we got beat today, I couldn’t think of anywhere I rather be in the world than sjp when the lads put a shift in like that. Sjp is such a great place on days like this.

  • 173 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:33 PM


    I think thats a little harsh on benny myself

    i take it you are referring to the shot at near post against arsenal? well he had one option in the six yard box well marked and rest around edge of box, not many good options for the pass, likely to be intercepted.

  • 174 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    He got a lovely pass in the Strawberry corner and it bounced off his ankle, he clearly doesn’t want to be here and as yorky said, if some club are offering 9M get rid.

  • 175 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:33 PM

    The yanks are not getting into it as much as I’d like them to, although there are more fans now than there were 5-10 years ago. I just heard a stat that in the US soccer is the number 1 sport for 13-24 year olds. Many many kids play it but the support for the sport really dies out around middle school (secondary school). However it looks like it’s gathering some extra steam over here which is definitely a good thing.

  • 176 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:33 PM


    So you agree that there’s no way that should have been ruled out?

  • 177 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    Ts The rule is clear enough. Very bad decisions from the officials. The lino was in no position to make a call on whether gouffran was interfering.

  • 178 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    Willo is the new Jack Charlton, Im impressed by a lot of his game ..I thought he was out of his depth last year.. big change in him

    Jack used to wind Goalkeepers up by standing on the near post blocking the keepers view ..and another man just off Jack’s shoulder .. a short corner to the
    near post and a flick on by JC lead to many a goal for Leeds… back in the day .. aahhh I was only a little kid and tactically aware ..Leeds were ruthless.

  • 179 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    1. I think next we should focus on anything that resembles Tom Selleck
    2.We have and we should focus more on the mustache
    3. not Palms Spring – that was sadly a disaster!
    4. Can we afford a Countach? of course we can (White of course)
    5. It’s already my friend and very 007ish 😉

  • 180 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    As to the Tiote goal – clearly not offside. Cant believe that was called back. Granted, we still could have lost the game even if it had counted but things would have changed and we should have at least had the chance to move forward level from there.

  • 181 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Sage – Sissoko is deplyed too far forward, and doesnt have a great final ball. He needs to be played deeper, run through midfield and then release the ball to an AM or winger to do the assist work. He shouldnt go beyond the final third as he wstes too many chances imo.

    Yorky – thats rubbish Im afraid, you are one of thse looking for the negative aspects of his game, aspects he needs if he is going to be effective going forward, bravado and confidence and yes selfishness are required traits of such a player, and for the limited time he was on created opportunities and always drove play forward, and crucially didnt do anything to lose the game. The player of that sort who doesnt fail most times doesnt exist mate.

  • 182 lesh // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM


    Tell Pardew to get the lads to get back to their recent winning ways – winning might just put an end to the niggling and nattering that breaks out when we lose!

  • 183 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM


    yeh i do, should have stood…always said it should have just thought the rule caused confusion but that’s clear as day.

  • 184 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    Anyone think Willo could have gotten a foot on their first goal? From the replays it looks like he was pretty close to it when it came across. Maybe he was wrong-footed but I was surprised he didn’t even make an attempt on it.

  • 185 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    I can’t remember the gallowgate crackling like it did today for a Long long time even the quite chaps that sit behind me were on their feet ,god only knows how load it would have been had remy hit the net with his good goal chances
    Games like today rekindle the dream oh I can’t wait till we are a great team again
    To have a go at Pardew today is simply daft

  • 186 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie
    If we can play with the same tempo pass and movement as today – best movement I have seen off the ball in a TOON team we should be able to get something from the next few games.
    I think we are are not for off being a very good premiership team – just need a player to gamble getting into the box on the end of our pull backs.
    ALL in all pleased with our performance pissed off with the officials and the attitude of the Man Shitty fans on phone ins saying we are a dirty team and should of had three sent off

  • 187 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    In your opinion
    Even thou it’s rubbish
    He has had every chance ,he will always be a nearly man

  • 188 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    lesh shut up fella ya tossbummer!!
    how dare you take offence to the constant neggers!

  • 189 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM



    Guidetti and Guy asuling sorry cant spell it, cant be bothered to spell check it ..2 great players ..never get a sniff

    and look how often Man city change manager ..with ref: to your point on Chelsea .

    when I say Joke club.. in back of my mind is always the thought that Man city are buying the title and any trophy’s ..the money they have is astronomical as you know ..hence my thoughts and comment of joke club.

    I’m slightly pi**ed at Football now because of the overriding feeling of it not being a level playing field

    Thus to me that makes it unfair competition

    and my opinion is Man City are A joke Club.

  • 190 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Brilliant @178 jesper mate! Tom Selleck!! We have to get him as honourary club president. And yes we can do something with fake moustaches I’m sure. :)

  • 191 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM


    1. I think next we should focus on anything that resembles Tom Selleck
    2.We have and we should focus more on the mustache
    3. not Palms Spring – that was sadly a disaster!
    4. Can we afford a Countach? of course we can (White of course)
    5. It’s already my friend and very 007ish 😉

  • 192 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Spot on don’t worry about city fans how quick they forget de Jonk leg breaker

  • 193 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM


    GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    Brilliant @178 jesper mate! Tom Selleck!! We have to get him as honourary club president. And yes we can do something with fake moustaches I’m sure

  • 194 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM


    well said…if we play like this we will blow the teams away that we should be beating and have struggled against

  • 195 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    yeah very short memories.
    Anyone notice a change in our build ups from the back.
    Instead of Krul kicking long our full backs and central defenders are coming short for roll outs and short kicks – HOORAY!!!

  • 196 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM


    fair enough but guidetti simply isn’t good enough for any top prem side, not just them, they will produce cream of the crop players for themselves and very good players which get sold on.

    they don’t change too often either, only had 3 managers under this owner and hughes was there before they arrived i think? (maybe wrong).

    it isn’t level but never has been, at least man utd have rival who can match and outspend them, they bought the title too, not really brought much through since the class of 92.

    man utd benefited from being the biggest cub in england when the prem league took off as the money making machine, 10 years before and liverpool would probably have continued at the top for a long time, go back further and be other teams.

  • 197 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Yorkymag 191

    Well said .

  • 198 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Jan 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    h d at 39 if our scouts were watching bord v toulouse they would have been disappointed. watched match boring and if people think we play defensive they ought to watch french football.i cant think we would watch ben yedder but if we did he played poorly missed both of his chances poorly and he is very small for a striker 5 ft 6. watched cabella against monaco played quite well won a penalty but is more like janujaz than commentator said like ben arfa . goes to ground at the slightest touch.

  • 199 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    sage do you think there should be a limit on them clubs buying players then loaning them out?
    because chelsea have got a team constantly out on loan that could play in the prem
    and i’d imagine city are the same?
    seems unfair to me when everyone else struggles to get a full squad together?

  • 200 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    Gudietti is on his way to Stoke as we speak.

    They just need to make Ireland’s deal Permanent from Villa.

  • 201 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Charlie I love effort like that. We’ve shown it a good few times this season, but we’ve got to do it consistently. I do think Pardew’s got to up his game though. I feel like he holds us back or puts a spanner in the works with his substitutions, but if he can get us playing with that sort of commitment week in week out, I’ll cut him a bit more slack.

  • 202 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:04 PM


    it’s hard to say really…i think there should be a limit on loaning players over a certain age, maybe 21.

    let clubs loan as many kids as they want but say only 2 over 21

  • 203 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    Also city are such a great club they could not even sell there ticket allocation today
    I can only wonder the demand for nufc tickets if we were top of the league
    Yer big club shity my arse

  • 204 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Tiote scored his first goal with his left foot and today shot with his left.

    is he 2 footed?

  • 205 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    i dont believe anything chronicle mirror group say. although de jong on loan might happen will believe it when it happens. i certainly dont believe newc would turn down 9 mill for cisse .if they did get a reasonable offer for him they would take it and bring someone in imo.

  • 206 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    yorky I said that your statement was rubbish and then explained why. If your going to say my opinion is rubbish at least reciprocate with a few of your observations as to why so.

  • 207 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    yorky lol to right mate

    sage yeah but my beef is they’ve got the spare money to pay top dolla for younger players then they just loan them out
    where as we pay 1-2 mill for a young player we can’t afford to loan him out
    seems very very unfair to me!?

  • 208 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM


    I’m a bit worried that it’s still the case of us getting really pumped up for the big teams, but we’re using an energy that we can’t reproduce when we play lesser teams (Cardiff, WBA, etc.). I loved watching it today, and it was quite reminiscent of the cup game against them earlier this season when the players had that same fire in their bellies. However, they have to figure out a way to bring that energy and passion to the lesser teams – and that need lies squarely on Pardew’s shoulders. Let’s see how we fare next weekend against West Ham and we’ll know if this is a real change or if it was our ‘big game energy’ that might just disappear over the course of this week.

  • 209 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM


    but i think you need an allowance for a young player to make sure he doesn’t stunt his development, an older pro should see the risk going to city and not playing but i don’t think a kid should be punished for wanting to work with the top coaches around.

    it might not be perfect but i think it’s the best way to make sure youngsters get a chance, otherwise they just get wasted as no games or the big clubs like city just pay full whack after another club develops them.

  • 210 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM


    a good chance west ham will have lexscott and lacana traore by then

  • 211 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

    yorky @202 – agree with you on that though and they are still bitching on about Nasri when they should count themselves fortunate they got a FK, more than we got when HBA had his leg snapped.

  • 212 Tsunki // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Didnt Jelavic go somewhere dreamy like Hull this week, Belfast?

  • 213 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Tiote needs to hit shots with his left foot all the time lol as he is terrible with his right !

    We were unlucky but I think we desperately need more options up front and on the wing how can the board not see this?!? Every time we bring on Cisse , Arfa we lose our shape and end up getting beat !!We have not came back to win when they get brought on all season! We would have better bringing Shola on than Cisse at least he would have won things in the air !

    Its a bit worrying about Remy when we first signed him he would have scored those 2 chances he had he looks short of confidence also running about with no support for lots of the match must not be doing him any good he looks more effective on the left hand side where he has a bit more time on the ball

    A special mention has to go Saylor I think he actually played pretty well today and gave us more of an attacking threat at corners could it be that Willamson is actually our best defender and brings the best out of everyone else? Surely not ha ha

    It was annoying though that it took a wrong decision against us for the team and the crowd to actually get going we should have been in their faces from kick off we need to play with that level of intensity every game and I think we would not be far off top 6 by the end of the season

  • 214 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    TS –

    I hope not, but as we saw last year it can take a while for the new lads to gel into the squad. If they go straight into the first team (which I would certainly do if I was managing WH and got those players!) they may have a stilted performance. Still, if they do pick them up it will be a much tougher side than their current form and league position would predict.

  • 215 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    Charlie/madisontoon i agree Pardew has to get them up like that for every game. Sissoko needs to show more ambition to get in the six yard box when the play is developing on the opposite flank. Same could be said of benny. You only get success when you’re determined to score. I’m not sure we’ve got one player who wants to score enough that they will bust a gut to get in the box never mind be brave enough to go in where it really hurts.

  • 216 manxpie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

    yeah thats a good poin’t maybe its just jealousy lol
    but i still think there should be a limit on how many top young players that can be bought
    they seem to buy them all

  • 217 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    Marveaux should be starting in place of Cabaye or Sissoko. Whoever is underperforming should be out of the team. Pardew doesn’t change his first team enough. That’s his problem. He prefers players with greater workrate and poorer ability. Marveaux would be in my team most weeks.

  • 218 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Definitely agree with that Blackley. And it seems when Sissoko make his bursting runs forward with the ball if we have someone making that near post run he can cut it back for Cabaye and that’s proved hugely effective for us (2 goals immediately spring to mind, maybe others as well). If only we had a striker/opposite winger who wanted to make that run. Remy seems to drift out to the outsides and may not be the right choice for a single man up top – I hope that gets seriously looked at by the backroom staff soon (and fixed through transfers? Nah, who am I kidding).

  • 219 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    @Blacklie and Brownlie

    Gosling when he plays bursts a gut to get into the box just a shame the rest of his game is not that great!

  • 220 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    Ok fair point
    Where to start
    Benny is without doubt a brilliant talent but not a team player
    Not only does he not fit in to us he does not fit in for France either
    I don’t agree with your analysis at the arsenal game from my seat I was directly behind benny when he chose to shot instead of pull it back to Remy,who was completely un marked and would have had a tap in ,he did the same at wba again I was within 20 yards. Of him and again today although it was a tighter angle I agree
    I would love him to prove me wrong but he won’t a leopard can’t change it’s spots
    He is selfish a good trait in a forward I agree big al proved that but he does not even look up he has only one focus occasionally he will score a wonder goal but only occasionally
    But worse for me he is lazy in defence and as a consequence is almost un pickable
    Nassri today showed how important both parts of the game are he is a little s…. but a real player benny is only at best half a player and it is interesting that no top teams have any interest in him .
    We are stuck with him I fear until his contract runs down
    I rest my case and appreciate it may not be your view but it is certainly not rubbish

  • 221 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    I called for his sacking after the Lpool and mackem disasters but I also understand that his joke of a boss is more than happy with him and therefore isn’t going anywhere.

  • 222 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM


    the bigger question is why don’t we have some more kids pushing through.

    I know people say barca create a lot but they have infinite resources and a huge pull of being barca. What we should look at is southampton…bale, walcott, oxlaide chamberlain, shaw, llana, ward prouse, there’s plenty more.

    that’s what we need to make sure we go all out to replicate, especially if we living within our means not buying a host of top class players.

  • 223 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

    Aye Transfer

    The players in Man City so called development squad could easily ply their trade in the prem ..if they are not good enough for Man city 1st team is the development of those players and the holding on to them fair if Man city are not going to give them their chance ..

    I think there is arrogance in having such talent in the reserves and so much money .. and buying up players and not playing them …Asyuling is an amazing player and he cant get a game . maybe out on loan now ?

    Guidttii would be good enough for half the clubs surely ? get a game at S/land, Stoke, Villa ?

    Anyway Transfer I respect your opinions

    I know there has never been a level playing field as regards the prem and money club’s..but I now know that the gulf in status as a football club between the have’s and the have nots is massive and getting wider.

    Unfair competition rules ..Man City + joke club.

  • 224 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    madison toon
    West Ham Norwich mackems Thats where Pardew has got to play his part and get the Toon up for the next few games and play with the dsame passion tempo as today.
    As for substitutions I would of not changed/brought on any subs as we were all over Shityt at the time and we seemed to loose momentum when Anita was brought off

  • 225 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM


    i wasn’t at the arsenal game but saw it on tv and highlights…i dont think benny had a simple ball for the cut back.

  • 226 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    Off to watch sherlock. He’s the only one harder to follow than Pardew.

  • 227 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Charlie –

    Those are the teams we need to beat and not just scrape a draw from. I’d love to see him motivate the players for those, I just haven’t seen it happen yet. Fingers crossed, I guess.

    I do think Anita did well, but just didn’t quite have what we needed in the final third. Did a number of really nice turns and kept position very well. We were chasing it a bit at the end and I don’t fault Pardew for his subs.

  • 228 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    I’ve been more impressed wth Abeid than Gosling. Abeid is also excelling for Panathanikos. I’m pleased for him.

  • 229 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    Trust me he did

  • 230 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Im off night all.

  • 231 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Man City fans are pretty much calling our team a bunch of thugs on Sky Sports comments !

    Got to laugh as everytime we got the ball in a good area they would put in a cynical challenge to stop us but that went unpunished ! In fact Southampton did it to us recently (same referee) and so did Arsenal

    Cabaye and Tiote for us could have walked but so could Fernandinho and Zabaleta for them

    Also not forgetting De Jong’s shocking tackle a few years ago on Arfa

  • 232 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM


    but they keep loaning him out to see if he improves…we do the same with tav, caampbell, fergie….yes they cost less and aren’t as good but we hold onto kids as well instead of letting them go.

    i do see your point though….football is now so much about money it does take the edge off what it once was

  • 233 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:46 PM


    watch the replay, he didn’t have a simple cut back

  • 234 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Kets I’ve heard joe wants to sign abeid.

  • 235 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM

    I was 20 years away
    Trust me he did

  • 236 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM


    Iv wracked me brain as to what can be done re; level playing field for all

    There’s no answer is there? .

  • 237 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Not really his job the final third, had Remys mind not been elsewhere then we could have had something today, we have a striker who doesn’t want to be here, another with his mind either on jail or a bigger pay packet and another one who can’t play 90 mins and hasn’t scored for more than a year, we also have a Dof trying to tell us we don’t necessarily need to spend this January.

  • 238 welshgeordie9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    Any transfer news anybody

  • 239 yorkymag // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    Transfer yards not years lol

  • 240 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:51 PM


    you cant have a wages cap ..they would defeat that easily at the richest clubs ..then there would be restriction on trade

    Even in the richest sport there is ..Horse racing, the sport of kings, they have Handicapping …Its a difficult debate this one ….

  • 241 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    In an ideal word you could have one set transfer fee for all and …and …one set wage for all divisions ..and set bonus’s for each player throughout .

    Not going to happen.

  • 242 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:58 PM


    So I’m basically right then.

    I think it’s daft to call for Pardew to be sacked just because of a bad result or two. The players are the ones on the pitch and deserve blame too.

    The time to sack Pardew would have been at the end of the season. I was 50/50 depending on who else could be brought in but once the decision was made I thought I’d give him a few months and see where we’re at. As it stands, we’re pretty much where I predicted we would be so things are ok. Just ok, not great but not poor.

    I just think that Ashley is unfairly compared to SJH and many fans are frustrated at seeing other billionaire owners (City and Chelsea) spending loads on their clubs and winning trophies.

    The fact is that unless Ashley spent hundreds of millions, then we’ve got no right to catch Man Utd, Chelsea, City, Liverpool or Arsenal.

  • 243 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2014 at 9:58 PM


    rugby has a wages cap so there must be some way of avoiding restriction on trade, i know exceptions can be made on sport….but it would need to be world wide, not just prem league.


    tv replays are clearer, i guess we’ll just need to disagree on this one

  • 244 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    Right about what ?
    You’ve said I’ve given him a hard time over the summer and then changed my tune, you couldn’t be more wrong as it happens !

  • 245 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    Haha Kinnear will be making a bid for Vuckic, Tavernier and Abeid tomorrow.

  • 246 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    JfA –

    I definitely agree that it’s not Anita’s job to create things in the final third…just that we needed that to happen so he was an acceptable player to take off to adjust our playstyle to try and grab a goal. If Remy had taken one of the two good shooting opportunities or at least gotten that late header on net, things would have been very different and Anita should have stayed on IMO. Although it sucks when the toon go on a rough run of form (4 straight losses? well sh*t), but it may put a bit of pressure on the management to bring in a player or two.

  • 247 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:13 PM


    So when were you giving him a hard time? If you weren’t then sorry, sometimes it’s hard to remember who’s slagging off Pardew and who’s slagging off Ashley! I know Ruddy has changed his tune on Pardew…

  • 248 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    We really need to beat West Ham next week unfortunately they will be buzzing from their first win and Carroll being back into the team apparently they might have signed Lescott by then as well

    We need to win it though no excuses cause that will be 5 games without a win which is relegation form

  • 249 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    Carroll to dive and get sent off… :-)

  • 250 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:20 PM

    Like I said earlier it just seemed a subbing for the sake of it, Cisse was never going to change the game Arfa for Remy was what I went for, even if this De Jong turns out pants he has to be better than what Cisse is offering atm, reading those programme notes today doesn’t fill me full of confidence regarding transfers.

  • 251 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    You’ll find that those opposed to Mike Ashleys insidious reign have a lot more patience with the silver tongued lothario as we know there won’t be a Benitez or Klopp to replace him.

  • 252 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM


    I can agree with that. But he has copped far more than his fair share of flack. It’s one thing saying that he got it wrong but there was so much speculation over the summer and for the first couple of months regarding his potential replacements and so much abuse by people saying he is “League One at best” and similar such rubbish.

    I still reckon anyone who doesn’t like the way that Ashley has run the club should focus on the things he’s really done wrong.

  • 253 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:30 PM


    Yeah, I could have seen that sub. I think having both Remy and Ben Arfa on at the same time gives us more threats and taking Anita off doesn’t mean we really lose a threat. I 1000% agree that Cisse is playing horribly and should really not be getting minutes at all. However, given that he was our only striker on the bench, I wasn’t too surprised to see him come on as we needed something to happen up top.

    RE: de Jong

    It looks like maybe a loan move is what they’re after and I’d be fine with that. He hasn’t proven himself outside of the dutch league, so not putting too much money/stock into him (i.e. not buying him outright) is probably the right move. Still, we need him or someone to come in this month as our current frontline will not cut it for the end of the season if MA wants top 10.

  • 254 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    There’s too much to focus on.

  • 255 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    Mr Guy

    I am not a hardy northerner like you my fellow.
    The executive box has french doors that I wouldn’t dream of opening, firstly because of the pesky north east wind chill and secondly, I couldn’t hear the TV for the noise of the toon army.

    You chaps certainly create an atmosphere. There were some choice language as well.. Words I have never heard before.

    What the bleeding hell does this mean,
    ” Hoo man, yi f****n black b*****d, are ye tekkin the piss, ya doylem!”.
    It wazza girl, Goof never did oot!”

  • 256 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:37 PM

    I think top ten is nailed on regardless of transfers, cant see Hull catching ten points, which makes me think we’ll amble through till the summer as this season is effectively over.

  • 257 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM


    Too much focus on what mate?

    Top 10 should be nailed on. I think our squad need to prove that they are for sure the 8th best in the PL right now. We need to finish in the top 10 every season. You know I think the only managers other than KK and SBR to finish in the top 10 were Roeder (7th?) and Pardew (5th). I guess you could say Dalglish (2nd) too but that was KK’s team. Which he then dismantled in the summer…

  • 258 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:45 PM

    Really looking forward to all those top ten finishes with those bloody cups out of the way.

  • 259 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    Mr Guy

    I take on board your valid point about the executive box. However, I swear by it for firstly, the french doors prevent that cold north east chill from penetrating the 10 layers of clothing I wear and secondly, you toon army foot soldiers are noisy bunch. I can’t hear the TV for the singing and shouting.

    I was a bit shocked by the choice language being used I must say.

    What on earth does this mean,
    ” Hoo yi daft black bast@rd ! Thu was nowt wrang wi that man! Goof never even goddin the way! It was a girl!”

  • 260 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    So thats every manager bar Gullit and Souness !

  • 261 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:50 PM


    I think we all (football fans) need to accept that cups are going to take 2nd priority for club owners and the Europa League is fun for the fans but is not good or the owner or manager.

    Players take knocks throughout a season, so I think we’ve rested players who needed to recover for the next league match. But we’ve put out strong teams in every cup match.

    The problem is that the ill feeling from some fans to the owner is that every quote that can be interpreted in a negative way, is…

  • 262 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:52 PM

    Did you check out the Great pursuit ?

  • 263 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:53 PM


    Like I said, I don’t think you can count Dalglish because it was already halfway through and he didn’t really have to do much…we then finished 13th after he sold our best players…

    Since SBR left it’s generally been pretty crap.

  • 264 MadisonToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    I hope top 10 is nailed, but I do think our lack of goals recently is worrying. I don’t count the Stoke game as it was an anomaly, but we haven’t had a player who was playing as a forward score since Remy against Norwich in November. Thankfully Gouffy and Cabaye have been chipping in a bit with goals from elsewhere, but that’s a long stretch not to have any production coming up front. We either need reinforcements or we need to change our fortunes up front with our current players and from Pardew’s past inability to motivate players who are struggling, I just don’t see the latter happening.

  • 265 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    Yes TDsarf….

  • 266 shearer and the duchess // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Mr JFA

    I cast my monicle over the reviews of the book. Seems like a jolly good read my good man.

    That Mr Guy seems a bit boisterous doesn’t he. I bet the rotter was one of those outside my french doors shouting and swearing. I had to turn the bloody TV up to full volume!

  • 267 lesh // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    Match if the Day:

    Lpool Stike – 18min playing time

    Toon Citeh – 10 min playing time

    BBC no like NUFC?

  • 268 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:07 PM

    i feel sorry for this lad, he proved a point about Man City and he got nothing but stick, i for one would buy him a pint, go on lad give it to the Man City prats

  • 269 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:09 PM


    You kidding mate? 8 goals in the Liverpool game. 2 in ours…

  • 270 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Nasty that by Mwiba.

  • 271 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    Yep. Could easily have been down to 10 men for that challenge. There were a few bitty ones earlier on too that could have seen a couple of yellow cards for someone.

  • 272 Our Toon // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Normally a big critic of Percy but can’t fault that performance today, first goal was just poor to give away as a team!! Anita too tight on Silva, gouffran falling asleep (twice) Saylor losing Dzeko and Williamson who could have cut the cross out!!

    We weren’t in the game until the ref didn’t allow that goal, that just gave us the extra spark and we kicked, seems we play better when angry!! If our wingers are going to consistently lose players when babysitting than surely HBA needs to come in

    Can we all stop hyping Remy up, the guy is average at best, missed a free header, left foot shot straight at Hart and clean through only to check back onto right fight (getting tackled in the process) what’s that now 1 goal in 10?

  • 273 MacToon // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:19 PM

    ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 4:52 PM

    Unless you’ve read every single one of my posts, I don’t think you’re qualified to comment on my views.

    ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    I’ll think you’ll find that I’m usually just trying to contradict the likes of Ruddy/Ciaran, MacToon, JfA and others who have overly negative views of the owner/manager/DoF.


    Obviously you’ve read every single post of mine to qualify you to comment on my views!!!

    Remind me, my views on Pardew and JFK are?


  • 274 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    Our Toon,
    Not forgetting that one on one that Hart saved but was ruled offside, imo I think he knows he’s going to jail and his heads gone, I could be very wrong but his form has took a serious dive since his bail was extended.

  • 275 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:27 PM

    So whether you want to discount KD or not, every manager bar Souness and Gullit have had a top seven finish in our PL days.

  • 276 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:28 PM

    Lol top 10 isn’t good enough. We should be aiming for the top 3-6 every season. We need Cabella, Gourcuff, Doumbia and Ba signed up asap.

  • 277 Our Toon // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:32 PM

    Difference of mentalities from between Brendan Rodgers and Percy is Amazing. I watched both games and Cissoko (Liverpools LB) was defending by himself vary rarely did Coutinho come back to help him

    Liverpool winning 3-2 and bring sturridge on, rather than seeing the game out they went to kill off Stoke, yes they conceded 1 but got 2 in the process!! I look at us we refuse to play HBA because he isn’t very good at tracking back, we consistently defend 1 goal leads rather than finishing games!! Mentalities like these are the difference of mid table mediocrity and top 6

    Rodgers was asked recently about Coutinhos work ethic, his response was that liverpool have 2 DM’s to cover when attacking, He picks Coutinho and Sterling for what they give when attacking not what they do when we defending

    Honestly find that amazing as most on here harp on snout work ethic!!

  • 278 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    Coutinho is a player I’d love to see playing for us. Sturridge, Suarez, Gerrard, Cissokho and Coutinho are the key players at Liverpool.

  • 279 Our Toon // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:37 PM


    Haha yes forgot the offside chance, correct me if I’m mistaken but didn’t most of his early goals come from playing wide? The 2 goals against Cardiff and 2 against Hull came from wide forward role!! Chelsea was a wide forward as Cisse came on toward the end, Norwich and Stoke are the 2 goals from a central position

  • 280 Our Toon // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:39 PM


    Cissoko hardly gets a look in for them, young Flanagan was keeping him out, Coutinho is in HBA mould, would never play for us as Percy needs him to babysit

  • 281 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:41 PM


    How would I know what your views of Pardew and JFK are these days. Do you know what the “/” is used for?

    I could guess that you don’t think much of JFK and you think Pardew is a puppet, but I know you for someone who is grossly biased against the owner and has a one-dimensional goal to improve the club which is to get rid of him.

  • 282 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 12, 2014 at 11:44 PM


    Put it another way…in 19 seasons in the PL, we have finished 9 in the top 10 and 10 out of the top 10. That doesn’t really provide a great deal of evidence that we’re not being ambitious by targeting top 10.

  • 283 RonVanDam // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    Striker Papiss Cisse, 28, may be about to leave Newcastle, but only if the unnamed club in Qatar chasing his signature add another £1m to their initial offer of £9m.
    Full story: Daily Mail

  • 284 MacToon // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    DarnSarf, your reply does not surprise me, infact too predictable.
    Selective memory? Read every one of my posts to qualify comment on my views?
    This is what you said to me not so long ago (and notice no “/” between words):

    ToonDarnSarf // Dec 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM


    You think you haven’t been generally negative about Ashley, Pardew, our squad strength and our prospects? Yeah, I’d put you among the more negative posters on here, obviously especially on the Ashley front.


    You are a hypocrite.

    How can I relate to a someone who believes derby matches are “just two games in a long season”. You are an ignorant and arrogant gobshite.
    Your relationship with Newcastle and the North East appears not to be far removed with Ashley’s
    It is you who is negative, not only are you prepared to accept such an anti fan regime but constantly defending it.

  • 285 RonVanDam // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    Arsenal are planning a £30m offer to Newcastle for midfielder Yohan Cabaye, 27, and 23-year-old full-back Davide Santon.
    Full story:

  • 286 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM

    Santon had a good game yesterday!!

  • 287 Graeme // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    RVD – the only problem with that is JFK mate.

    Even with his shoes and socks off, he’s never going to count past 20!!!

  • 288 Schwefelberg // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:15 AM

    This pathetic Linesman. Hart feels a fool and starts a scapegoat act. The linesman is like a stable boy at a palace …Oh yes Sir I’ll do what you want Sir….. three bag full Sir….
    Then the ref. joins in… these cowards and suckers!

  • 289 BrightonMag // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:25 AM

    Until the fa stop f****g wrapping refs up in cotton wool then none of this will change… Respect the ref and to hell with the game.

    Back to the game, I was screaming when he took Anita off… Best player on the pitch, thought he was immense today

  • 290 BrightonMag // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:25 AM

    Until the fa stop f’in wrapping refs up in cotton wool then none of this will change… Respect the ref and to hell with the game.

    Back to the game, I was screaming when he took Anita off… Best player on the pitch, thought he was immense today

  • 291 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 12:49 AM

    Robbed of a perfectly good goal , but not robbed of the points . In the end tiotes screamer is irrelevant . 4 losses on the trot for pardew . I remember pards spouting off how good a manager he was when he won 4 off the belt , so could he say the opposite now that he has lost 4 off the belt . Yep he has a good right to be a bit gutted about the goal , but it wouldn’t gave changed the outcome .

  • 292 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:03 AM


    Stop wrapping refs in cotton wool??? What the hell do you think should happen? Should players be able to swear and push a ref when they don’t like his decision.

    Like in all walks of life, people needs to respect authority at the time and then just deal with it later. If I got arrested by the police, I’d question it but I wouldn’t fight and swear at them. I’d be confident I could clear it up later.

    Refs should be accountable for their decisions and I think they generally are to be fair. What I’d like to see is refs reporting why they made their decision and whether they stand by it.

  • 293 70TWO // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:08 AM

    Sorry if this has already been debated, but just read what the Joeker has ‘written’ in the programme:

    Given the business we did last January and with the addition of Loic in the summer, it is our belief that we now have a squad that, in terms of quality and quantity, is stronger than we had in the season we finished fifth, and should enable the manager to deal with every reasonable eventuality. We will not be rushed or forced into making knee-jerk decisions, which experience tells us more often than not turn out to be costly mistakes.

    The first (of two) sentences is a statement of fact, but what is he on about in the last sentence? F##KIN WALLY!!! What about the costly mistake of not adding to the squad in the summer of 2012? I think all concerned would rather have calculated and carefully considered signings that will add significantly to the squad. BELL END!!! That is simply not a good enough excuse not to buy, ahead of players leaving and before a WC summer.

    Another patronising statement made by a supposedly professionally managed business towards their customers.

    BTW – Well played lads.

  • 294 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:08 AM


    Derby matches are just two matches in a long season when you’re talking about the performance of a manager! It’s all about context.. A manager puts a team out to win every game and it’s 3 points for a derby win or any other win.

    The people who deserve criticism for bad performances in derbies are the players who don’t try. Managers can get the tactics wrong like in any other game, players can just have an off day and make some mistakes, but if any NUFC doesn’t put in the maximum amount of effort on derby day then they simply don’t understand the importance of the match.

    We all say that players should play at 100% every game, but that’s not possible, they carry knocks, they might be recovering from a cold, had a bad night’s sleep or having personal issues. Performance fluctuate, we know that. But derby games are not every week and the atmosphere in the ground must make the players know they need to give as much as possible.

    So please don’t twist my words to make out that I don’t think derby games are important.

  • 295 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:19 AM


    You think I am wrong to say that you are one of the more negative posters on here regarding the ownership, the manager and our prospects? I’m shocked you would say that.

    I want what’s best for our club. You want what YOU THINK is best for our club. That’s the difference, I live in the real world.

    Mike Ashley has not done such a horrendous job that he justifies thousands of fans demanding he leave. He hasn’t sent us into meltdown like Leeds or Portsmouth, he hasn’t changed our colours like Cardiff or applied to change our name like Hull. He hasn’t turned a debt-free club into one heavily laden with debt like Man Utd or created internal bickering like Liverpool.

    I can’t imagine that I’d want to go for a drink with the guy, I can’t imagine him as one of my friends and I think he made loads of mistakes in his first couple of years as owner but I don’t have a huge problem with decisions since. Even the temporary renaming of SJP (to try and boost revenue), the weird SD sponsorship, the lack of clarity regarding the cat 1 academy and the odd appointment of JFK are not major issues in my eyes. Certainly not while we have a good squad and are looking to establish ourselves in the top 8/10 of the league.

    I could easily imagine things getting worse with a new owner rather than better. I think his model to advance the club is generally correct, although his engagement with the fans leaves a lot to be desired, and I don’t really want an owner like Chelski’s or City’s.

    I’d rather see energy and protests devoted to improving things with Ashley rather than demanding he leaves.

  • 296 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:23 AM


    You’re being over-critical again. Easy to pick holes in other statements! Clearly what he’s saying is that we’re not going to buy an average striker for big money just because we need a striker. We’re also not going to pay double because the selling club wants to keep the player.

    I can think of stupid purchases like Boumsong and Owen that would never have happened under the current regime. Not because of a lack of ambition but because they were stupid purchases given that Boumsong had moved to Scotland just 6 months before and we only got Owen because we outbid the team he really wanted to move to.

    The translation really is “We might not sign anyone if we don’t find deals that work for us. But we might sign a few if we manage to get some good deals.”

  • 297 Ciaran // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:24 AM

    Blimey, my name has been mentioned quite a few times today and I’ve not even been commenting. Famous or what 😉

    Oh, and it seems like the blog have you sussed Mark. Time to pipe down and wind the neck in I think.

  • 298 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:37 AM


    I’d genuinely love to have a chat about NUFC with as passionate a fan as yourself…but since you are a biased angry young man and incapable of a rational discussion, I’ll simply carry on with my work and not bother….

  • 299 Ciaran // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:50 AM

    I would have a long, in-depth discussion about my views pertaining to our club, but since I lack even a shred of respect for you I think I will save my breath.

    I am actually a very logical, calm and reasoned individual. I am much more capable of a rational discussion than you would believe, it is just I refuse to entertain the notion that you have the best interests of NUFC at heart, so tell me this, why would I waste my energy on such a pathetic individual such as yourself?

  • 300 Beattie25 // Jan 13, 2014 at 1:59 AM

    Down Sarf has always been a cock.


  • 301 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:00 AM


    I actually believe your earlier statements that I thought so incredulous that I kept them…that you are not this odious individual that appear on blogs to offer extreme statements, ignore anyone who contradicts them and pander to the masses by using colourful language designed to “stick it to the man”.

    You are obviously an intelligent man, with a good education and knowledge of the English language, but you talk like a fanatic, yet a fanatic who changes his view from time to time.

    If you just want to start arguments and “blow off some steam”, then I guess that is your right, even if I find it a shame that you disrupt my enjoyment of this blog by doing so, but I think you could actually make a positive difference to this blog and this club if you harnessed your energy a little more effectively.

  • 302 Ciaran // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:01 AM

    Unequivocal and to the point – He has risen!

    On that bombshell…Goodnight!

  • 303 Ciaran // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:04 AM

    Mark….apologies, I mean, TDS

    I am doing my best for our club by putting my efforts into ridding us of Mike Ashley.

    How about this – you and I will never ever get along. I dislike you, and you clearly dislike me. While we disrupt each other’s enjoyment of the blog, we clearly disrupt everyone else’s enjoyment of it also. I will not engage you in the future, so long as you do not engage me.

    I will not be changing my stance, nor do I expect you to change your stance, but we need to remedy the situation before we drive everyone off this blog.


  • 304 70TWO // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:11 AM


    It is rather rhetorical but I am specifically critical of this statement because it responds to an agenda that is not recognised by the majority of fans and printed in the programme. If it was an interview it would not be remiss to have used these words. But why not stick to the general statement to which you have recanted?

    As fans, we can conjure up names from thin air but as professionals, employed within the football industry I expect them to be doing their best, not making ‘knee-jerk reactions’. So why not refer to the practical way they are constantly striving to bring the best they can to the club?

  • 305 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:16 AM


    I can take that deal and I think it would be appreciated by others. However…

    …I’d like to make it clear that I may well change my stance because I am by no means fixed. I’d also like to make it clear that I don’t dislike you; I dislike what you have termed your “internet persona” and if I have never in my life had a real-life discussion with someone like that person. The few that have started that way have been with religious fanatics, extreme bigots or children. I have always been able to extricate myself from the conversation but it is simple impossible when I can still ‘hear’ the other person talking and they are still engaging with the same people I am.

    I appreciate your passion in the club is directed at getting rid of Mike Ashley and I can understand why he has made some fans so very angry, I just find that it is misguided and actually detrimental to the club. As I found your disrespectful attitude towards Lee Marshall earlier in the week.

    What I want is a better relationship between club and fans. I don’t care if the owner/chairman is Mike Ashley, Alan Shearer or Micky the damn Mouse, it’s not important. The club is about the fans and the players. The owner, DoF, manager, coaches and everyone else should just be there to ensure that the fans are entertain by the players.

  • 306 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:21 AM


    So because they say that they will not be doing a negative thing, you criticise them for it?

    I agree that it comes across as a bit defensive and I would have to say that it appear to be an early damage limitation exercise in case we don’t sign anyone. I think they are trying to make it perfectly clear what the transfer policy is, which is drastically different to the previous regime. We haven’t made many poor buys because we do a huge amount of research into the players and we refuse to overpay. FFS might have paid £7M for Obertan or £20M for Cisse. But of course that caution means that we miss out on players from time to time.

    I know no NUFC can actually really warm to JFK, but I don’t think it’s worth nitpicking his every statement.

  • 307 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:24 AM

    “I know no NUFC fan…” I meant

  • 308 70TWO // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:29 AM


    If it read as:

    ” Experience has taught us that making knee-jerk decisions more often than not turn out to be costly mistakes. ”

    It would not be condescending and belittling towards fans for generally wanting squad improvement. Would you not agree?

  • 309 Ciaran // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:29 AM


    I won’t explain in depth as to why I had a seemingly hostile approach to Mr Marshall, but let’s just say that he himself knows full well why I dislike him. You would perhaps need full context to understand.

    As for Ashley? Communication with him is now futile. My mind is fixed in that regard. Yes I was willing to give him time. Yes I once took my fury out on Pardew after fully believing in him, and as such some people cannot take me seriously – I can live with that.

    What I cannot live with is the defence of a man who has stripped my passion for our football. I have passion for what this club is, what it stands for, and hopefully where we go to in the future but as game-to-game goes, I ask myself – ‘if we don’t want Europe, and don’t want the cups then what is the point?’

    What you call building blocks, and progress, I call mediocrity and regression, all in the name of reclaiming the debt Ashley feels he is owed. I won’t stand for that. You will, however, and you will laud that as a sound business model – which it may well be – but I am a football fan, not an accountant, which is not to say that I want our club run with reckless abandon, but rather run with the ambitions, hopes and dreams of the fans who are the heartbeat of this club at the forefront of business decisions.

    We will be able to avoid one another if we exercise discipline, but no doubt one or the other, or both perhaps, will lose this discipline from time to time and snap. We can maintain this truce if we operate with a small modicum of respect for each other’s polar opposite views no matter how conflicting they are with our own.

  • 310 70TWO // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    “nitpicking his every statement”

    Unlike your self of course! :-)

    Night night

  • 311 swemag // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM

    I guess it all comes down to what we want from this club and also how we want it achieved. Like TDS, I have no interest in an owner like City or Chelsea.

    To me football is about passion and pride in the way a club achieves things. Forking out 0.5 billion pounds on the best players on the planet, then winning the league and almost qualifying for the knock out stages for the CL is not really an achivement. And to me it has nothing to do with passion either. I don’t want it. I have no interest in what those clubs are doing except for the fact that they are ruining the game.

    To people who would ask me – ‘But don’t you want to see the best players in the world playing for Toon?’

    I would, but not under those circumstances.

    Further I agree with TDS on the fact that some fans here are always talking about spending money on players is somewhat repatitive and annoying.

    Believe our owner is doing a good job on getting this club back on track and a change of ownership is unlikely to bring us anything better. I am thinking Sunderland, West Ham, Villa, Leeds, Portsmouth…even Liverpool. Speculate to accumulate as some fans refer to it.

    Speculate to accumulate, do you guys run your money through the casino before paying your mortgages? Honestly.

    And we get back to all the crap that Ashley has done. Well, time to move on, and yes, it will happen again.

    Changeing subject, transfers.

    Jonas, if it is true, all the best to him. What an absolute pro. Works his socks off. Time to move on though.

    Cisse, I do think it is time for everyone to move on here. 9 million, take it for the love of god.

    If there was just the slightest of hopes, please bring back Ba.

    De Jong, I just don’t have a good feeling about him. Could be wrong.

  • 312 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:36 AM

    “We will not be rushed or forced into making knee-jerk decisions, which experience tells us more often than not turn out to be costly mistakes.” reads as more defensive than condescending or belittling to me.

    I work with words a lot and I can see how difficult it would be to say something that would come across well with all fans. Often they go for something right in the middle that doesn’t really say much. What they basically want to say is:

    “Ok fans, we’ve got a squad that is rated as the 8th best in the PL and that’s our target for this season, although top 10 is our minimum acceptable finish. We’re always in the market to strengthen the squad but we’ve got limited resources so we will only do this when the deal is right for the club. We are not fighting to win the title, get into the CL or stave off relegation so frankly there is not a justification for taking a gamble and paying over the odds for players and quite frankly those gambles often fail (see Boumsong, Owen, Duff and others). So if we don’t sign anyone, don’t say we didn’t warn you…”

  • 313 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:50 AM


    I can get that it’s a personal thing with Ashley, as it is of course a personal thing for all of us with this club. But I think many people are coloured by the influence that the likes of SJH, KK and SBR had on this club. Frankly we were very lucky to have all 3 of them at our club, without the first 2 we could quite conceivably be a club like Wolves, Reading or Boro. But those 3 men especially have raised expectations at a club when in many ways we had no right to do so. I’ve just had a look and you’d have to go back to 1950/51 before we finished in what would now be the CL places. We were also relegated 3 times before SJH took over.

    They have not said they don’t want to win a cup (that is a terrible spin put on their quotes), what they have said is that the league is the priority over the cups. Every single club in the PL has the same attitude so I disagree with that criticism.

    They have also not said that they don’t want Europe, although it’s clear that the Europa League is a drag on a squad as it simply does not provide the finances with which to allow a club to compete in Europe and domestically. It is perhaps useful for a CL team as a fallback in order to provide more coverage of their club and allow them to keep a larger squad of players active, but it simply does not pay for a PL club to be in the Europa League.

    If we play players in cups who have knocks or are suffering for fitness, then we will either lose them for the league or have them playing poorly. The priority for the long term is to establish our club in the upper reaches of the PL. Then hopefully we can build a squad that can withstand the rigours of multiple competitions.

    So, we’re left with stabilising the club and hopefully targeting the CL in the future. I look at our squad and I don’t think we are one of the top 6 squads, let alone the top 4. This season the only players we have who I think are definite top 4 players have been Krul, Debuchy, Tiote and Cabaye. I think we’d need to spend a good £100M on transfer fees and around £500kpw on wages just to take us to around the same level as Spurs, and I just don’t see this as viable to provide such a small chance of a season of CL football. 7 into 4 doesn’t really work, especially when Man Utd, Chelski and City are willing to spend serious cash when they need to.

    It simply has to be a gradual improvement. There is no other way.

  • 314 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 2:54 AM


    Agree on Jonas. He’s not going to get a look in with us, so good luck to him, he’s been a good servant to the club.

    Not bothered about Cisse. I don’t much care about selling players because I’d rather have Cisse on the bench than £9M in the bank (in the club’s bank of course – I’d much rather have £9M in my bank!). I don’t know if the £9M bid is accurate but I’d like to think that the club has turned it down because they need to get a replacement first.

    History also tells us that if a club is in the market for a striker AND then sells one of their strikers for £9M…then every selling club ups their transfer fees by 50% because they know you NEED a striker.

  • 315 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 3:02 AM

    I hate it when ppl constantly try to compare us to Leeds or Portsmouth or even Blackburn!! Our club had debt just like every other club in the PL, by no means was this debt out of control!! At the rate we are going its 1 step forward and 2 back, no ambition off the pitch!!

    MA has and always will use NUFC as a marketing tool for SD, as a fan I’m not bothered how profitable we are as a club unfortunately that doesn’t win us any trophies, buying players and buying quality will ensure this!! The only time MA has been bitten has been through his own mistakes, appointing Wise and spending £50k a week on Xisco!! Bringing in JFK as manager, his decision making which got us relegated, this new buy cheap sell big policy!! There is a reason we get inconsistent performances on a weekly basis, the reason for this is the players that are signed command such fees due to their lack of consistency!! Exception of Cabaye who had a buy out clause

    Unlike Leeds, Portsmouth and Blackburn we are in the top 20 clubs in world football for revenues, another reason why we would never do what they did, this is an old propaganda trick called scaremongering, in our case it’s used to not spend beyond our means as others carry on, TDS loves scaremongering but then avoids the conversation of £10m/£15m the club loses in advertising but will happily BS about us doing a Leeds, Pompey or Blackburn.

    It’s worth nitpicking at every statement because quite simply we don’t get anything else as communication from the club, being in the EL is something that will require a bigger squad, INVESTMENT!! MA won’t allow that. I read from TDS that we are steadily progressing and he wouldn’t want us to do a Citeh or Chelski, well I only live once and want to see the very best players on a weekly basis playing for my club, not looking at balance sheets to keep me satisfied!!

    Steady progression 5th to 16th and now to 8th, that’s far from steady progression TDS, we will sign again but I fear we will only sign big when the sale of a certain Markee player is made!!

  • 316 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 3:06 AM

    Whilst we stagnate in every transfer window others around us improve!! Eventually the teams making the moves will surpass us as we stagnate and look to the balance sheet!!

  • 317 Santon03 // Jan 13, 2014 at 5:07 AM


    I think after appointment of JFK this season, we play better. The club has signed Faye Downey who made the squad fitter than before. We have missed many targets like Bony, wolfwinkle, Gomis, PEA, DeJonk, etc. But look at them now, well PEA prefer to go to CL finalist Dortmund which we couldn’t compete since we were almost relegated and Gomis due to greedy agents. So far he has done very good job imo if we can stay objective view.
    January window isn’t closed yet, I think we will sign some players but we definitely has to sell some players first.
    I still think that we could do better with different manager even with the same squad.
    Heavy investment doesn’t guarantee success, as example Sunderland and WHU or QPR.
    I think manager is the key role.

  • 318 Santon03 // Jan 13, 2014 at 5:14 AM

    I like Petkovic as a manager, he has done great job with Lazio and very limited budget but he will be Switzerland coach after WC2014.
    Ottmar Hitzfeld or Jupp Heynckes will be great too.

  • 319 cyprus // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:11 AM

    Random comments:
    *We are now officially on a losing streak!
    * We deserved a point yesterday.
    *If you will play HBA, give him a half (or better, a few whole games) so he doesn’t feel he must pull off a miracle right now. In any case, a player of that calibre, at NUFC, needs a ‘permanent’ position in the team. OK, he has poor ones, but so does Cabaye.
    *We are stuck in no man’s land, with almost nothing to play for. We may finally switch positions with Soton, but that’s about it! Hence, time to experiment – and entertain.

  • 320 shearer and the duchess // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:20 AM

    A new player in the dressing room wouldn’t half give the squad a real boost. It creates competition.

    The chaps would all have to resize again in the showers. Everyone would be pulling their pluck to make the grade.

    Rumour has it, their squad numbers represent the size of their todger in inches.

    No wonder that chappy Tiote struts round like king dong with 24 on his back! The chap has a third leg!

    Poor Colo. I think he’s not playing cos he’s injured his pinky.

  • 321 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:37 AM


    I don’t think selling clubs are that naive…agents all talk, clubs hear rumours.

    Too much was made in the summer of Spurs buying before selling Bale, everyone knew Bale was going for 80odd million so by holding on a bit longer it made very little difference.

    I’d say if we can get that money for him let him go, he looks like he needs a change, mentally shot to bits it seems. I’d like to make sure we get a replacement during the same window we sell.

  • 322 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:40 AM


    heavy invest doesn’t guarantee success and the clubs you mentioned haven’t invested that heavily…city and chelsea is heavy investment.

    Those you mention have spent a bit but when shopping in that range need to do a lot of homework, something we do but not what they do. I’d say we need to continue scouting well but just bring in a couple extra players (don’t need to be big money) and improve the squad.

  • 323 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    Heard the F**in’ latest
    The Manchester Evening News has reported that TV cameras picked up what was said between referee Mike Jones and his linesman.

    In the conversation the local Manchester paper reports that the linesman/referee’s assistant asked Jones whether the ball had struck Gouffran on the way into the net and it appeared Jones replied that it had indeed struck the Newcastle player.

    Give me strength

  • 324 Tsunki // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    Beattie is ALIVE! 😀

    I knew it.

    Yorky- better here have a smiley :)

    I think the only thing I agree in is about him being a luxury player, we aren’t going to get good playing time value out of him as a 10 minute sub.

  • 325 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:46 AM


    well if that’s true at least it explains why he gave the offside, completely wrong though

  • 326 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:54 AM

    If true then he is a f**in lier – you can’t just think or maybe it hit him.

  • 327 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:56 AM


    yeh it’s very poor, i don’t see why he thought it hit him though, he clearly moved out of the way. It’s very very poor.

    also those comments explain why pardew was shouting “the linesmans right, you’re wrong ref”….maybe the linesman said it didn’t hit him

  • 328 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:57 AM

    Tiote Goal
    And Andy Grey has said it is one of the worst decisions of the season
    and the tackle on Nasri was also a shocker.

  • 329 bills-son // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:00 AM


    If true that isn’t what the ref told Pardew after the game. That would tell me the ref has watched the video, saw the ball didn’t touch Gouffran and is now saying Gouff interfered with play by unsighting Hart.

    Ref’s make mistakes but if he is found out to be lying about his original decision he could be in bother.

  • 330 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:04 AM

    charlie and bills

    what do you think of the mbiwa tackle? it was strong and a definite foul but i didn’t think a red.

    it was shin against shin, from the side, not through the back of him…if he wasn’t injured by it i wouldn’t see the fuss.

  • 331 shearer and the duchess // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    Mr C@ Gallowgate

    I’ve just read the Chronicles interpretation of the spat between Mr Pardew & Mr Pellegrini.

    Mr Pardew, ” Hoo you f@ckin old c@nt, keep your eyes off Faye Downey! I’m working on her!”

    Mr Pellegrini, ” Pardsy you twat! We’re too old. It’s Sami Nasri who’s doing her! How’s about taking Nasri out and we can share her!”

    Mr Pardew, ” Good shout Pelly! Mbwia! Take that little c@nt Nasri out!”

    Those two rotters are real ladies men. I hope Miss Downsy sees through the two cads.

  • 332 stan anderson // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:19 AM

    I am fallimg out of love with the game now.
    To many cheats, divers whatever you wish to call them.Going down screaming and rolling around like they are dying.Whats happened to the game where you were actually aloud physical contact with your opponent.
    This is a universal problem, not just the few,its all of them.Even players that have the skill to stay on there feet go down at the first opportunity to try to con the officials .I remember the first player i realised was diving was Francis Lee,he was the one that got the dodgy decisions because he knew how to go down in the box.
    I also remember Supermac carrying Waldron on his back to score in the 1974 FA cup semi at Hillsborough.
    Ginola did his share of diving as well and a few more so its always been there.
    Just sickens me to see talented players resorting to cheating to sway decisions in there favour.
    I know the massive money involved is influential in what goes on during a match,win at any costs it seems.
    I see the kids copying the stars they watch on the telly,goal celebrations etc.and it saddens me to think they will think the diving and the cheating is the norm.

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