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Limited Interest In Newcastle Target – Is He Good Enough?

6:18 pm, Monday, January 13th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 126 Comments

There doesn’t seem to be an awful of interest in Borussia Monchengladbach striker Luuk de Jong, but the Dutch International has very much become a peripheral player in Germany, and his appearances for the club this season have been sub appearances  for a few minutes at the end of games.

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Luuk de Jong - Monchengladbach substitute

But to be fair to the player, the coach in Germany Lucien Favre has never rated the player ever since he was signed for over £12M in the summer of 2012 from FC Twente, and at that time he was Newcastle’s top transfer target, and we had bid £10M for the lad, but he preferred to play in Germany.

Newcastle seem to be the club most interested in the player at the moment, and  are said to be in discussions with the German club about the loan fee.

And it seems Newcastle want to see how the Dutch International performs in the tough Premier League, before making any decision to sign him permanently, and that’s good thinking by the club.

Luuk has been told of Newcastle’s interest in signing him on loan and he had this to say:

“I can imagine going.” “My coach will change things in the second half but not that much.” “I want to play longer than three to five minutes. It’s no fun.”

“The coach does not give me the feeling that he continues he will build firmly around me.” “He does not talk much with me. It was a first half of the season to forget.”

Borussia have made a mistake by signing the lad for  a massive £12.6M given his subsequent failure in the Bundesliga, and Newcastle have every right to be cautious before signing this lad, even on loan.

The Monchengladbach Sports Director  Max Eberl  says there have been no concrete offers for the striker:

“In Luuk de Jong we have a player who didn’t play that often in the first half of the campaign.”  “I can understand him being unhappy.”

“We keep getting enquiries about him – but there have been no concrete offers.” “We don’t intend to give matters like this one our attention until something concrete happens.”

There’s not much to be lost by bringing Luuk in for the remainder of the season at Newcastle, as long as the loan fee isn’t prohibitive, but of course the German club will be trying to recoup as much of the £12.6M as they can, as they try to unload the Dutchman.

But maybe when they sign a player, they should probably check that the coach rates the player, and that could save them some money in the future.

Do you think Luuk de Jong would be a good permanent signing for Newcastle – from what you know of the player?

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126 responses so far ↓

  • 1 mag // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    Most of these Dutch players are overrated and this guy certainly is one of them.

  • 2 Tsunki // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    If MA stalled on his price last time he must be pretty smug now that he is undoubtedly worth much less. I sense a bit of hardball bargain hunting here.

  • 3 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    totally agree bud,Check out the merchandise before you buy.Unproven and has a rough ride in the bundesliga .But the last thing we want is another cisse on our hands

  • 4 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    How can you say that pal when he’s not even been given a chance to shine in the german league.I agree take him on loan with a view to a permanent,But don’t shoot him before he’s been given a chance bud

  • 5 mag // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    If he’s so good why is no one else chasing him?

  • 6 Tsunki // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Maybe he is like cisse, who is actually a good striker, made terrible in his case by lack of proper service from our midfield and diminishing game time. In De Jong’s case, a bad start coupled with a manager who doesnt like you is a killer blow to performance. If he came for a bargain, we could end up getting a tidy forward who could replace Shola. Nothing lost for a few million and modest wages.

  • 7 Charlietoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Anyone else feel not the slightest but of sympathy for Man C. Yes for Nasri but for Man C I feel like this is a small amount of payback for the support they gave De Jong after breaking Ben Arfas leg, and I’ve certainly enjoyed reminding every whinging Man C fan of that and the fact that he didn’t even get a yellow.

  • 8 Newcastleforlife // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    just taking back to Tiote’s goal…

    Now that FA has suspended the refree, it seems thay have accepted that it was a mistake from ref…

    Why cant there be a rematch??

    In bundesliga, there was a rematch for the match where the ball went in through side netting…
    Both are similar scenarios…

  • 9 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    How do you know that ??

  • 10 Charlietoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    BTW I am aware this is a different De Jong. I say No to all De Jongs though.

    Get Guidietti(?) off MAN C……oops might be tough now

  • 11 Tsunki // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Charlietoon – include me. I still hope he misses the world cup the sneaky whining brat.

  • 12 JaxtheMag // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    we will always end up with players no one else wants coz we wont pay the money, at every home game and we are after players on lone.

  • 13 Charlietoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Newcastleforlife – we’d get our asses handed to us in a rematch, I say use the anger against West Ham and the up coming games rather than hoping we can turn em over for the first time in 12 matches. Start strong and dont stop and dont give Pards any more ‘tired’ excuses.

  • 14 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Would you not consider older brother siem who is available for around £5 mill, Which is an unbelievable price for such quality

  • 15 mag // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    If they get him on loan and he does the business fine but he has the whiff of another van wolfswinkel about him to shell big money up front on him.

  • 16 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    BS article

    He is plenty good enough?

    Yet ED puts Shola as a legend. Pathetic

  • 17 Charlietoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    jazzyp I feel like we missed him when we wanted him and he has not done anything special so now we should look at others. Bullet dodged IMO. Anyway Kinner will get the wrong brother ;) remember Amalfitano?

  • 18 Newcastleforlife // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:51 PM


    we may loose or win aleast….
    what does this scrutiny of refrees means to EPL teams…
    we are nt going toe get any points back.. Fa arent going to pay anything extra…
    Atleast there should be some rule going forward to make sure on
    decisions like red card, penalties and goals are perfect or some kind of justice if these decisions are wrong

  • 19 Marty-Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    Most Dutch guys overrated??
    Overmars,Van nistelroy,Stam,Van Persie,Bergkamp,Robben,Krul,Anita is turning into a decent player too….all proven in the PL
    They are a much better national squad than England’s
    Much better ability on the ball than most English players
    Can’t be wrong getting him in on loan with intent to buy and fee agreed in case he does well.

  • 20 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    If he can hold the ball up, pass to a team mate once a game and score the occasional goal then he will be upgrade on Shola and Cisse !!

  • 21 mag // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    @19 you just cherry picked a few successful ones over twenty years you plug!

  • 22 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM


    Dutch players playing in good!!!!!!!!!!

    other nationalities are not good sometimes.

  • 23 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    The less said the better about Amalfitano eh !!

  • 24 Marty-Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    5million for Siemens de Jong,seriously?
    That’d be a steal,can’t see him being for sale at that price unless his contract is out soon

  • 25 Newcastleforlife // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    reg Luuk / strkers… i blv we should be considering <15M strikers.. My choice are

    1. Benteke
    2. Adrian Ramos
    3. michy batshuayi
    4. Finagobbson
    5. Luc Castaignos
    6. Luuk De Jong
    7. Gomis

  • 26 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Anyone just a little worried that we sign no one ?

  • 27 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Marty toon

    De Jong has 18 months left on his current deal and Ajax are keen to do business as soon as possible.

    It’s thought that Newcastle have been kept up to date with the situation – and plan to test the water with a £5million offer in the coming days.

    Ajax are believed to want closer to £8million, but De Jong’s admission that he is desperate to depart has weakened their hand.

  • 28 sweendog // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    batshuayi has the makings of a top striker .. would like him here

  • 29 swemag // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Jonas only loan. That was disappointing. Love Jonas but when it’s time it’s time. We could have saved some money and got some cash.

  • 30 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    I don’t understand the loan deal either unless there’s a view to a permanent deal. It will only leave 1 year left on his contract and surely a less profit on any deal

  • 31 breno95 // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    overated. the dutch have won major national honours and to name a few more good dutch players:-
    van de weil
    de guzman
    van aarnhol
    van de vart
    van ginkel
    Siem de Jong
    Nigel de jong

    to name a few who are/have or could cut it in the EPL.

  • 32 magpiemover // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    think you missed a few more out marco van baston
    marc overmars

  • 33 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    About the same strike rate as Altidore and worse than Afonso Alves’. Couldn’t do it in the bundesliga. No thanks.

  • 34 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Farewell Jonas, Not a bad word to say about the bloke and I hop he does well at Norwich .

    I remember watching him against Man U when we first bought him and he had pace to burn :

    But sadly his legs went and we now have better options in the centre of the pitch . But, life goes on .

  • 35 tonynufc // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    To all yous who say luuk de jong aint good enough. Theres no wonder hes not getting his game when he has Max kruse and rafelle to fight for a place with. both good strikers, Luuks never been given his chance since he got there and only gets games as a sub, just like HBA at the moment. we no hes a good player for us but not given long enough to work his magic. I think it would b a great move for us. especially with distributers like cabaye, gouffran and anita,

  • 36 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Really no point in us doing loan deals if after the player proves himself his value soars and we’re out priced plus I can’t see what benefit Lukaku gave to WBA now he’s gone, loan deals are great for stop gap injuries or in the case of DeJong to effectively have him on trial for six months before signing him permantly or sending him back, it certainly shouldn’t be a long term policy.

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    For everyone turning their noses up at Dejong, we’re stuck with Shola and Cisse if we don’t bag him on loan.

  • 38 tonynufc // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    all de jongs games this yea have been as a sub, and hes only been given 15 mins tops, that’s no time to get into a game

  • 39 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    Van der sar

    Another 3 “mostly over rated” dutch players

  • 40 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    Being bought by the owner rather than the manager never done Torres or Shevchenko any good !

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:56 PM

    Don’t know what all the fuss was about with that Johan Cruyff either.

  • 42 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Ok. Villa v arsenal about to kick off. Score predictions everyone??

    I reckon 1-4 arsenal

  • 43 swemag // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    In my dreams I wake up on Friday and we have just signed Ba for 7 million on a 4 year deal that stipulates that he can only have 1 agent and 6 family member living with him. An hour later Cisse have signed for a Russian club for 10 million.

    Back to work.

  • 44 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Yeah he was hopeless

  • 45 tonynufc // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    2-3, dunno why but think AV might put a gud shift in

  • 46 breno95 // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    these damn overated dutch players.
    all of them rubbish. simply rubbish.
    most could not play sunday league eh!!!! never mind international honours, titles and cups.

  • 47 jimmysmith // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    Seedorf was genuine world class. Never gave the ball away, always in space, excellent decision making, and a 20 year career at the very highest level. Underrated, if anything, from what I can tell.

  • 48 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    If you have a loan deal with a view to a permanent deal at an agreed price then what does it matter if his value rises

  • 49 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    So, to summarise….

    Dutch players are overated appart from the 30ish players we have mentioned between is off the top of our heads.

  • 50 jazzyp // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    If only good dreams came true eh

  • 51 breno95 // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    3-1 gooners

  • 52 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    No more predictions for villa – ars ??
    Just me with 1- 4
    And tonynufc with 2 – 3

  • 53 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    So breno has gone 1 – 3

  • 54 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    So far villa getting well aquainted with theor own half

  • 55 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    And then they nearly score lol

  • 56 DokToon // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:13 PM


    put me down for villa 1-0 win, lol, i do like the underdogs :)

  • 57 Rotonda heights // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Dutch players over rated – hilarious !!!

    I remember dear old SBR starting the trend with Arnold Muhren and Frank Thijssen at Ipswich. Bergkamp’s goal against us was from another planet.

  • 58 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    Ok dok 1 – 0 it is….. now back to your padded cell :D

  • 59 DokToon // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    at least there’s plenty of beer in it… oh damn, wheres the opener?

  • 60 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:16 PM


    It is probably one of the most insane comments ever posted anywhere. The perpatrator seems to have gone quiet

  • 61 JAMSHA // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    2-2 for me

  • 62 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:18 PM


    You wouldnt be able to use the opener anyway, with that jacket with the extended sleeves you are wearing!

  • 63 bills-son // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    One of the greatest World Cup performances was Holland taking apart Brazil in the 1974 semi final. They beat the Brazilians by out footballing them and Cruyff and Neeskens were magnificent.

    Such a pity they lost to Germany in the final 2.1 after the English ref gave Holland a penalty in the first miniute.

    Add Jonny Rep to the Dutch list, another great player.

  • 64 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    Tonynufc 2 – 3
    Jamsha 2 – 2
    Dok 1 – 0
    Breno 1 – 3
    Me 1 – 4

    Just keeping them in one ppace for referance later

  • 65 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:21 PM


    They eventually lost due to being over rated :D

  • 66 DokToon // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    isnt that why you in there withme mark? due you and i being NUFC supporters? :)

  • 67 tonynufc // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    so markaccus. what you giving the winner

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    I urge everyone to check out Sammy ameobi on Instagram…just posted a great video of jonas singing, he looks like he was well liked in the dressing room.

  • 69 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    The toys out of the last 6 happy meals my youngest son had, stretching back to november last year

  • 70 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:26 PM


    Wibble frang my elephant is a potato

  • 71 breno95 // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    what does the winnet get markaccus?
    come on you gunners.
    wenger for title this season for me

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM


    I was going to say that but reined myself in !!

    I’ve always loved Dutch football and for such a tiny country they are a phenomenal production line and Suriname, of whom many Dutch players originate from, could almost have a great national team themselves.

  • 73 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Right i am going to eat something. My guts think my throat has been cut.

  • 74 JAMSHA // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    1st prize a pint

    2nd a fried egg

    3rd joe kinner suite

  • 75 JAMSHA // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    hope to win the 2nd prize wen i wake up at 8… night lads…

  • 76 bills-son // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM


    Yep Holland’s total football was totally overrated..

    I mean, all Cruyff did was invent the step over and Van Basten scored one of the jammiest volleys ever :-)

  • 77 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:45 PM


    It almost destroyed my enjoyment of the dutch game in the last world cup final, when they played anti-football. I wanted them to win at the start, but i was so disgusted with ther tactics i was glad spin won in the end. It was so unlike all tje other dutch sides i had seen up to that point

  • 78 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Spin….. spain ffs. Damn my big fingers

  • 79 midweek weekend // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:06 PM

    just thought i’d i’ll share my views on gutierrez, i think we all need to remember this guy stuck with us when we were relegated, and to be fair he was quite when he first joined, just age has got to him, but a good servant to the club and i wish him best of luck in the future, wanted to see that spider man mask more shame really.

  • 80 midweek weekend // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    good* god bloody typos you can tell i dont post often !

  • 81 JackButler // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    If jonas does leave and Obertan stay’s then something is very, very wrong

  • 82 welshgeordie9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:26 PM


    Totally agree, what happens when remy gets injured, we have got to rely on cisse and the great shola for goals.

    God helps us

  • 83 mattnufc // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    @JB No there’s not; this is not Football Manager. He’ll free up 6 months of wages for us, while Hughton looks to be lining him up in the summer after working with him and knows what he offers. On the other hand, Obertan’s contract does not end in the summer and who would want to pay a fee for Obertan? Makes sense to me.

  • 84 welshgeordie9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    What a waste of our first half of the season if we don’t sign anybody

  • 85 JackButler // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:33 PM


    I’m a little old for football manager pal,

    what is the point in freeing up six months wages of a player we may well need while continuing to pay a player that will never make it at this level?.

  • 86 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Benteke having a bad season for Villa – would any TOON fans take a punt on him.

    I would – as good as if not better than the four forwards we are supposed to be after

  • 87 JackButler // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:35 PM


    Well the noises coming from Kinnear would suggest that we are going to get anyone in, but nothing would surprise me anymore with this lot at the helm

  • 88 JackButler // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:41 PM


    Depends on how much he’d cost tbh, he a big powerful lad who is still young and if he can find his form then he’s a very, very good striker

  • 89 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    bloody ell he’s just scored
    I would of thought we could get him for a decent price – well 5 minutes ago might of

  • 90 Markaccus // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:02 PM

    Looked easy for ars at half time. Lucky in the end. No one won the predictions

  • 91 martoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    This is probably a bit late but somebody was asking this morning when the Sunderland tickets go on sale – I’ve just noticed on Twitter it is tomorrow at 10am for members.

  • 92 Sav // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    I don’t know if de Jong is good enough, but as it looks like Remy won’t be sticking around after May and Cabaye off, too, we had better get 2 strikers to start with next year. If Kinnear is right about signing just one or two players per year, then they had better be good ones.
    Carr is going to need his binoculars and his microscope to unearth them at Mashley prices.

  • 93 shearer and the duchess // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    You chaps might find this link interesting.
    That dastardly Mr Ashley is a cad and he has no ambition whatsoever.

  • 94 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    Can we please get off the Remy bandwagon, he’s not signing for us and thank god because he’s pretty awful, 1 goal in 10 and that was against 9 men!!

    For those who say Citeh got what they deserved and karma etc for the injury to Nasri should hang there heads in shame, absolutely disgusting to take any kind of pride from the misfortunes of a talented young lad getting swiped!! 2 wrongs don’t make a right, yes HBA broke his leg against Citeh but for certain fans to go on like they are is just disgraceful and classless behaviour!! Maybe we deserve no success until our mentalities improve and show a bit of class!! Shocked by certain fellow Geordie fans

  • 95 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    Shearer & Duchess

    A lot of us are familiar with that table, it’s very disappointing to see the lack of ambition, just amazes me how some still defend Ashley!!

  • 96 p // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:41 PM

    On the Nasri thing, I think it was a reckless challenge, worthy of a red card but, I don’t think it was a dangerous challenge. The fact he is out with ligament damage did not reflect the nature of the challenge. It was not even in the same stratosphere as the one on Haidara last season.

    In fact, Debuchy was far worse in my opinion, luckily it just did not connect with anyone in the wrong way.

    As for Nasri, though there is no pleasure in his plight, there are no tears either.

  • 97 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    Have to say bit sad that Jonas has gone!
    He’s had some stern critics on here but for me whenever picked he played with determination graft and passion

    He’s been a great servant to the club and always handled himself with the upmost of professionalism and always gave 110% and taking to twitter to say thank you to the club and fans shows what a class act the lad is
    Good luck Jonas lad

  • 98 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:46 PM

    shearer and the dutchess @93 —- A good post . I have seen it before but just for the guys who think nufc is not a selling club !!!!————-

    # Net Spend last 5 Years Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

    1 Manchester City £640,650,000 £160,700,000 £479,950,000 £95,990,000
    2 Chelsea £390,209,000 £100,100,000 £290,109,000 £58,021,800
    3 Manchester United £230,450,000 £128,800,000 £101,650,000 £20,330,000
    4 Stoke City £99,825,000 £8,650,000 £91,175,000 £18,235,000
    5 Aston Villa £179,600,000 £93,600,000 £86,000,000 £17,200,000
    6 Liverpool £309,950,000 £220,550,000 £89,400,000 £17,880,000
    7 Southampton £75,350,000 £14,600,000 £60,750,000 £12,150,000
    8 Sunderland £153,630,000 £109,700,000 £43,930,000 £8,786,000
    9 Hull City £43,025,000 £8,750,000 £34,275,000 £6,855,000
    10 West Ham £85,350,000 £54,800,000 £30,550,000 £6,110,000
    11 West Bromwich Albion £50,745,000 £29,019,000 £21,726,000 £4,345,200
    12 Norwich City £22,750,000 £1,100,000 £21,650,000 £4,330,000
    15 Swansea £48,455,000 £29,860,000 £18,595,000 £3,719,000
    14 Cardiff City £53,695,000 £13,225,000 £40,470,000 £8,094,000
    15 Fulham £50,580,000 £39,700,000 £10,880,000 £2,176,000
    16 Crystal Palace £21,700,000 £9,750,000 £11,950,000 £2,390,000
    17 Tottenham £310,900,000 £306,800,000 £4,100,000 £820,000
    18 Arsenal £188,275,000 £192,400,000 -£4,125,000 -£825,000
    19 Everton £63,500,500 £75,816,000 -£12,315,500 -£2,463,100
    20 Newcastle £93,150,000 £118,150,000 -£25,000,000 -£5,000,000

  • 99 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    the table shows pretty ambitious reading eh ???

  • 100 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:49 PM


    I just think it’s wrong to take pleasure out of injuring an opposition player because of what happened to HBA!! Especially in a World Cup year as well, the lad was distraught probably fearing the worst and thinking he’d miss the that competition!! We’ve lost Theo for that tournament which is shame but it’s shocking to take pride from such a challenge!!

    I agree the Wigan lad stuck one on Haidara and there was outrage from all quarters about that challenge, it changed the laws for this season where retrospective action can be taken now, think back to how peeved we were when that happened to Haidara or even HBA!! I’m just disappointed in fellow fans saying eye for eye or tooth for a tooth

  • 101 p // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    Is that table not a bit distorted by the Andy Carroll sale?

    Also, I think it irrelevant. All that matters is how the team performs on the field. Everton and Arsenal are in the bottom 3 for the last few seasons combined and look at where they are.

    Blowing cash on mercenaries means jack-s%$& unless you win something and sorry to say, we just can not compete with Man City and Chelsea on that score.

    Seriously, if it’s all about blowing as much money as possible on players, go follow Man City or Chelsea.

    Otherwise, accept the fact that there is a guy who owns this club who is going to make is “self sustaining” regardless of what anyone thinks.

    Move on, the Hall and Shepherd days are gone.

  • 102 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    Before people harp on about the Arsenal model, they desperately tried to keep on to Fabregas and RVP whose sales have them at the bottom of that table, as did Spurs with Modric and Berbatov, Everton are a different case, but their Chairman has gone public to say he’d like to sell the club to help them out rather than slap an unrealistic price tag on them while keeping their loyal fans in the dark.

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    Shame Jonas never got the send he deserved, would have been nice to give him time against Cardiff instead of Obertan to say goodbye, maybe there’s truth in the rumour about appearances or he really did upset the apple cart when he spoke out about Pards Jurassic coaching policies.

  • 104 p // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    In fact when you look at that table it is very telling. The top 3 are in a league of their own and that level of spend clearly reaps rewards (though Manure are clearly stuttering with an ordinary manager).

    A lot of the other teams really are not getting their return on investment – West Ham, Sunderland, Villa etc etc.

    I’d rather be us than them. I do think we do need to invest more but, lets see what happens this month.

    I liked Jonas, a first rate player and guy but eliminate the sentimentality, I think it was time for him to go.

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    As in my above post, is Arsenal and Spurs not distorted by the above players, yet they’ve both spent a few quid as well.

  • 106 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:07 PM


    Do you ever consider the counter argument before you post?

    Newcastle are a selling club? Who can you name who we sold who has gone onto bigger and better things while we’re left with an inferior replacement?

    And what us your opinion on Arsenal, Everton and Spurs? I guess they’re not showing any ambition either…

  • 107 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:08 PM


    You say blowing cash on mercenaries, a term used often by fans but have you ever thought the players that join us from France etc are also mercenaries because they get paid more here? Just a thought!!

    No ones saying we should compete with Chelsea’s or Man City (only fans who justify not spending use this as a benchmark / excuse for not spending) I do know that our revenues are top 20 in World football!! I also know that we should be able to compete with Southampton Norwich and Swansea as well as Cardiff in the transfer market!! Not Man City or Chelsea, that doesn’t take into account the £42m Arsenal paid for Ozil

    To make the club “self sustaining” the club needs to maximise profits including advertising which is currently dominated by SD and MA ventures, estimated to be around £10m / £15m!! Sounds like a BS business model to me!! Add to that the money wasted on JFKs role at the club!!

  • 108 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    £23M difference from 4th to 20th. A difference of £4.6M per season…big deal. Especially when that considers one of those seasons was in the Championship!

  • 109 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:13 PM


    Ba hasn’t been replaced, Carroll hasn’t been replaced (we don’t have a forward who can hold the ball up and is dominant in the air) how long does it take to replace players? Other clubs do it in the same window, we’ve been waiting on a few years for ACs replacement and over a year for Ba’s replacement, Jose Enrique hasn’t been fully replaced!! Forget what these players have gone on to do in there careers elsewhere, they left for money and because they want to win things with ambitious teams

  • 110 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    The difference is even bigger now, it’s been a year since we signed a player for the 1st team on a permanent contract!! Do you think that is good enough for a team like ours TDS?

  • 111 p // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    It also does not consider investment in existing players, i.e. contract extensions.

    So if you sold Cabaye and bought Cabella that would hit the table but if you extended Cabaye’s contract it would not.

    The statistics really are raw in terms of telling you anything other than who spent the most cash on new players which for me is unimportant.

  • 112 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:20 PM

    p @ 101 yeah everton and chelsea are in the bottom 3 , but look where they are in the league . the difference is they dont need to spend much to be top of the league, they have good managers who can get the best out of their team

  • 113 Ibizatoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    Hello all,

    The 5 year table by itself doesn’t paint the whole picture really…all it shows is the ultimate bottom line profit or loss on transfers….which we all know the story on.

    From the table we can throw out the fact that Arsenal, Spurs and Everton are next on the list after us and each of those teams do well by PL standards and have all been called that dreaded word ambitious.

    I have always maintained and believe I will continue to do so, it’s not how much we’ve spent, but on who and here’s the important bit….when.

    Mostly I would say the players we’ve got in the past 5 years have been decent purchases. For me it’s all about the timing of our deals.

    We could be looking at two windows with one incoming loan player, but we still have another couple of weeks before that becomes fact.

  • 114 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:26 PM

    TDS where are arsenal and everton in the league ?

  • 115 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:26 PM

    Apart from Tiote and colo a few years back I can’t think of anyone else who’s been offered a new contract over the past 2 seasons!! Heck we didn’t even offer Ba a contract after floppy chops told the world about his clause!! Cabaye hasn’t been offered a new deal nor has HBA but Shola got a years extension

  • 116 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:26 PM

    Our Toon

    Utter bullshit.

    We have Remy, Cisse, Goofy and Shola as forwards as opposed to Carroll, Best, Loverman and Shola or Ba, Cisse, Best and Shola. I apologise if they are slightly wrong but the point is valid.

    Man Utd haven’t replaced Ronaldo or Scholes and Giggs and Ferdinand need replacing, Man City look weak in defence if Kompany doesn’t play, Chelsea could do with a top striker, Liverpool were hunting for a partner for Suarez for years, Arsenal have been missing a top striker until Giroud found his PL shooting boots this season. Need I go on???

    And how is the difference bigger? When were the figures made? Do they include last Jan? Do they include Remy? Who did we sell in summer? Do they factor in that we prefer to pay wages rather than transfer fees or agent fees?

    Damn Championship Manager bottom line accountant fans.

  • 117 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:27 PM


    Above us. So the table proves absolutely nothing.

  • 118 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:28 PM

    Agreed ibiztoon, also take into consideration the managers of them teams compared to Percy

  • 119 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:32 PM

    Too right mate, one things for sure he would of showed a hell of a lot more guts than some of the lads vs Cardiff
    And if the fans knew it was his last game in a black and white shirt SJP would of been rocking

  • 120 Ibizatoon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    Our Toon…Now that would be an interesting item to try and fit in to a table :)

  • 121 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:39 PM

    What was it yesterday he was saying about being respectful of others opinions and rising above petty insults?

  • 122 Our Toon // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM


    Normally I try to avoid having arguments / debates with you because I see what your like on a daily basis!! You said to name players that haven’t been replaced by us

    Andy Carroll – who I feel hasn’t been replaced, we are looking for a forward that can hold the ball up, is good in the air and can score goals who has replaced him?

    Demba Ba – Hasn’t been replaced, Remy doesn’t belong to us and if we preferred to pay wages then he would be here on a permanent basis rather than on loan!! Who’s replaced Ba?

    I have no idea what this championship manager is but the only thing it sounds like is our current manager who is a championship manager at best!! Ronaldo is irreplaceable but you wouldn’t know that!! Ferdinand has been replaced as he doesn’t play but Phil Jones is his replacement in the making as is young Januzai a replacement for giggs

    Not many players like Scholes doubt he’ll be replaced!! The players you mention though are world class, they were in there prime and there only a handful of candidates that can replace them!! Demba Ba isn’t world class and neither is AC, remember we are not Chelsea or Citeh, we are Newcastle United and there are enough players for the type of standard we are looking for!! Crawl out of MAs rear end and you may see things from a fans perspective!!

  • 123 stuart no9 // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM

    TDS dont know where you get those figues from .
    over 5 years the difference from 4th to 20 th is 116m that makes it 23M per season , secondly yep they are above us , very much above us , so they dont really need to spend , do they???? if we were in their position we wouldnt either, as it is the reason why we are unambitios is that is that we are botton of that table with a team in decline – not very good really is it ????

  • 124 Worcs-Geordie // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:51 PM

    Glad Mike Jones is suspended this weekend. Sadly too late for us.. He obviously doesn’t understand the rules, he was suspended last Oct for disallowing a goal. Any striker is a good striker at the moment, Reay needs a feeder. Steven Taylor, had 3 shots on Saturday.. Play him or Benn up front. Well seriously why not Benny?

  • 125 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 13, 2014 at 11:57 PM

    I an with P here on the whole soending thing.

    Not that I agree with how Ashley is going about his business – that Guy should not even being owning a football club :)

    The point is those model who we are following are not really spending more than us – of course if you make big sales then you can have some fun at times as well..

    If I was advising Ashley on how to spend his money I know what I would say (wouldn’t be what most of us fans would want to hear)

  • 126 JP...from The Rock // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    “I can imagine going” – That doesn’t mean it’s Newcastle FFS!!

    He says he can imagine going it’s like me saying I can imagine winning the lottery, doesn’t necessarily mean I will!

    People just putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 9! WTF

    There is no mention of Newcastle at all from the player so to me this is all more paper talk.

    Where’s the bloody action? We need players ASAP!

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