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Former FA Chairman Blasts Alan Pardew

10:02 am, Tuesday, January 14th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 293 Comments

Alan Pardew did himself no favors after the disallowed Tiote goal on Sunday, when he went into  a foul-mouthed rant at Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini, who didn’t seem to understand some of the words hurled at him, since his English is not that good – but Alan used the “f” word and the “c” word one short sentence.

alan pardew after tiote disallowed goal

Alan Pardew - in rant mode on Sunday

And it’s not surprising that the FA has cautioned the Newcastle manager for his behavior, but there is no ban and no fine, after Alan quickly apologized after the game and seems to have also quickly apologized to Pellegrini.

That quick action from the manager, and some words from the Manchester City manager that said he had no problem with Pardew, has helped the Newcastle manager  get off with a possible touch-line ban.

This is the statement put out by the FA:

“We have been in contact with Alan Pardew and reminded him of his responsibilities,”

Former FA Chairman David Bernstein is not happy and this comment is aimed at Pardew:

“When you look at the constant protests on the touch-line and the comments afterwards, it doesn’t do anyone or the game any good,” 

“It’s a terrible example for the players, let alone the public. I think it’s time managers assumed a much greater sense of responsibility for their behavior.”

But what’s not mentioned here is the incident that caused Pardew to erupt and a perfectly good goal from Cheick Tiote was disallowed by simply inept officiating, and  we notice no mention is made of that in the two statements.

But the FA statement was the right thing to do, and is balanced under the circumstances, but why Bernstein had to comment  we have no idea.

However, Alan Pardew can be a combustible character, we know that, and we were hoping as he got older he could control his urge to rant, and he still needs to do that – even if it’s easier said than done.

But the pressure managers are under these days in the Premier League – we understand it’s not easy at the best of times, but Alan is representing  Newcastle United and he has to behave himself – and remember  these games are shown all over the world.

He must uphold the very good name of Newcastle United.

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293 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    No defence of Alan losing his rag but sorry David Berntoast your view is irrelevant. Moving along…

  • 2 Ben3arfa // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    David Bernstein, another football dinosaur

  • 3 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    why is pardew so hell bent on trying to change every player we have ?

    we sign them as an X type of player and pardew tries to turn them into a Y type of player, and in doing so, makes the team look bad along with the player,

    do you think he does it o have a go at carr and MA? as he has no say in transfers?

    we sing players on the ability they have shown in there best position, not because we think they can addapt

  • 4 Graeme // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Tsunki @ 1 – completely correct. There is simply no excuse for what Pardew did.

  • 5 Toon Tang // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    ‘Mike Jones, who refereed Sunday’s Premier League match between Newcastle and Manchester City, will not take charge of a game this weekend’.

    FA must think hes a cnut also hahaha

  • 6 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    not sticking up for pardew here,
    but

    maybe the FA should have some accountability for these wrong decisions, OC we are only human, peoples jobs and livelyhoods are on the line here, now more than ever in the prem, so I don’t expect anyone to just sit there and accept bad things,

    is it just bullying by the FA, saying you don’t have a voice, just be quiet

    but still pardew can express things a little better than he did, or can he ?

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    catchy

    The manager should be able to say after it was a bad decision and expect an explanation off the ref as to why he did it, whether right or wrong.

    but no need for him to carry on like that, during the game players and managers need to accept decisions, other sports have respect for officials even if it is costly.

    there also needs to be more acknowledgment from the FA that they need to improve the quality if refereeing.

  • 8 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Transfer Sage

    fully agree

    he showed his class there,,

  • 9 G // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Absolutely agree about the quality of refereeing needing improvement. Frankly Sundays game turned into a farce, not only for the disallowed goal, but lets me honest, Yanga should have walked for that tackle. Aside from all of this though, I still cant help but feel there’s been a backhander in that refs pocket from Citeh.

  • 10 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Although the FA is an utter joke, Pardew is hands down the most intolerable, petulant manager in the PL on the touchline. I find myself turning down the volume on the TV because the mics always seem to be inordinately close to him.

  • 11 Laurent Robert 32 // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    The man is simply horrid, as I was told from someone who has worked with him. It is no surprise that the slimeball oozes an abundant lack of class.

  • 12 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Tricky one for me, Pards is caught on camera and has rightly apologised for his actions
    But once again the cameras continently haven’t shown what Pellegrini had said to wind him up so much
    As many many pundits have said since Bernstiens statements last week (not sure this quote is aimed at Pardew ) this comes from a man who has never been a manager or experienced the passion or pressure managers go through
    Also don’t agree with having cameras pointed at the touch line all bloody game, show the football ffs and stop trying to make these incidents which is what they are doing by having the constant camera attention on the touch line

    The FA also needs to look in house and wonder why so many managers are getting fined at the moment and why there are so many slating the officials, it’s simple they are simply not fit for purpose
    Hardly any of them look fit enough to keep pace, none of them seem 100% on the interpretation of the rules and none of them seem clear in there roles be it the ref the linesman or the fourth official, they seem to pick and choose when to get involved on overriding decisions

    The whole system is in desperate need of an overhaul before it ruins the whole integrity of the game, imo anyway!

  • 13 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    The problem with pardew is that he has no class . However , I can understand why he let rip . Over the last few weeks rival managers have made him look a mug . OGS made matters worse by beating us in the cup last week , a new kid on the block takes on the might of nufc in their own back yard on his first game and kicks his backside . Woof .kop that . This , after shouting about how good he was as a manager before the stoke game then losing 4 off the belt must have been a bit embarrassing for him. But to see him losing his rag with a gentle giant who has more class in his coat than pardew has in his life , was totally embarrassing . The goal was the final straw for pards . May be if he won a few more games , he wouldn’t show himself up in front of the watching world . Grow up pal .

  • 14 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Also, voted on the Luuk de Jong poll

    how many people have honestly seen him play and can vote ‘yes’ in that he’d be a good permanent signing? I guarantee the majority of the 400+ that voted ‘yes’ have never even seen him play.

    The way i look at it, the Bundesliga is the closest league in the world to the PL with regards to speed and aggressiveness. If he can’t cut it there, there’s no chance he’ll cut it here. Besides, we’ve seen what a good job Pardew has done with players who’ve been touted as future stars (or were stars, a la Cisse, who is the most hopeless striker i’ve ever seen since last season). Can hardly believe he can coach someone out of such a funk as Luuk’s

  • 15 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    Pardew comes across as very charming usually, but when he gets angry he’s a nasty piece of work.

    Sportsmen are idols for kids all over the world. Pardew’s attitude sends the message that if you think you’ve been hard done by, it’s perfectly natural to swear, abuse and assault those in authority and others too.

    So a kid can shove a teacher out of the way when they’re trying to get to their class, a kid can swear at the police if they question them about something they haven’t done and it’s ok to constantly have digs at the integrity of authority?

    Football has a lot to learn from the likes of rugby, tennis, cricket and golf.

  • 16 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    tads

    can’t agree with you there. this is hardly about just the match. this is theatre, every aspect of it. the rivalries, the fans, the antics. it’s all relative

  • 17 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    My son will go to his first ever derby match this season. Just hope it isn’t ruined by ar$e-helmets from both sets of fans. He is wearing old clothes to avoid getting new ones covered in bodily waste (some of our lot do that down there place too) and he is to get in and out of town as quick as possible. It is a shame a 16 yo has to be so careful at a game.

  • 18 martoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Absolutely amazing you Pardew haters will always find a stick to beat him with. Yes he went too far but I’d rather have a manger who shows some passion than sit there with their arms folded even when we score.

  • 19 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Shock news! Football manager swears!

    Ffs even alex strawberry nose swore. At officials too. Get over it! Even ssn were on our side this morning over this

  • 20 walton1984 // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Pardew didnt nothing wrong!!!!!!!
    So what he swore the exact same words where coming out of 90% of the people in the ground

    People making big issue of him swearing its a Mans game and all the players swear on the pitch!!

  • 21 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    I think Pulis, hughes and coleman are all more horrible than pardew. So is Phill Brown. The funking orange ba$tard

  • 22 walton1984 // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Markacuss

    Shut up u helemet, i have been too Loads of home & Away derbys, you only get trouble if u look for it

    Last season all the trouble next too gallowgate end, i walked out gallowgate stand, back too our bus seen no trouble what so ever……….Why coz i didnt hang around looking for it i went back too local pub

  • 23 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    martoon

    yeah, i think some of us people who aren’t pleased with Pardew will latch on to anything, but– and a lot of disagree on AP, obviously– why’s it so hard to accept that a lot of us can’t stand him? He’s hardly endearing. He’ll lie to no end, he lacks not only class but any infinitesimal bit of good character (subjective, i know i know), is constantly seen photographed and chatting up young broads, and to me, personally, is a well below average football manager.

    yeah, sometimes what we latch on to is embellished, but goes for the pro-pardew brigade as well. a win and most of you are so quick to throw it in our faces about how wrong we were about every aspect of our prejudices against him

  • 24 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    our right wing areas

    sissoko has played 1698 mins over 20 games in the prem, average 84 mins a game

    4 goals 2 assists, so we get a goal or assist every 283 mins from him

    HBA has played 873 minutes over 16 games average 54 mins per game

    3 goals 2 assists, so we get a goal or assist every 174 mins from him

    this is not taking any cup games into it,

    HBA has 2 assists in the CC cup from his sub appearances

    he should be in the team,

  • 25 JAMSHA // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    il support pardew on this…

  • 26 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Walton

    Man’s game? If a player or coach swore at a rugby ref, they’d be off! That’s a man’s game. Football with it’s diving, fancy boots, hair gel and calling the stretcher for a stubbed toe…it’s hardly a man’s game!

    Footballers get paid enough. Why can’t they control themselves like other sportsmen so they can be role models for kids?

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    matty
    Yeah it is but these cameras aren’t concentrating on the touch line for that they only switch over when there’s controversy happening looking for a headline
    On top of that if he’d said nothing we’d be slating him for not showing any passion
    Yes he was out of line but Bernstien needs to look at the mess he’s left the FA before criticising others

  • 28 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    walton

    It’s a mans game? are you from somalia?

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    it’s not the swearing and pelligrini that is so bad, it’s the shouting at the officials. it’s all managers who do this, no just pardew, they all need to learn respect for authority and be punished if they don’t.

    there is a right and wrong way to question a decision, to scream on like a child is not the right way.

  • 30 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Repost
    Laurent Robert 32

    Just looked at chances created also and compared them to ManC, the leagues highest scorers.
    http://www.squawka.com/teams/newcastle-united/stats#total-chances-created#english-barclays-premier-league#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-21#pitch-view

    Chances created NUFC 226 – ManC 288
    In front of goal 16.8% – 19.8%
    RHS 12.4% – 19.4%
    LHS 11.9% – 16.7%
    Outside the box 36.7% – 33.3%
    Beyond 22.2% – 10.8%

    Shows there is something in what you say and that there is definite room for improvement in creating chances closer to goal, thereby improving the conversion %.

  • 31 JAMSHA // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    walton1984

    u ran to the pub jst like a kid .afraid of geting KO :-P

  • 32 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    catchy

    you make a fair point there

    HBA to me is increasingly frustrating to watch. but, when it comes to it, we are better with him in the team than without him. He is the only player in our squad who can create something out of nothing and is a constant threat if given the opportunities

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Pardew has no class whatsoever. Could you imagine SBR calling someone an effing c- – -, no matter what the provocation.

    Finding it hard, given our appalling record under Pardew in the domestic cups to find much enthusiasm for the rest of the season and pardew’s ”containing” football.

    We attacked city all match because we had to, being a goal down so early, not out of choice sadly.

    CL and even EL is way out of reach now with 3 defeats on the spin so it looks like 8th place maximum. Hardly gets the pulses racing.

    Every day is another day with JFK, Pardew, Ashley and Wonga and the one thing they all have in common is a total lack of class

  • 34 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    TDS
    Agree and disagree
    Rugby officials are hugely respected but that’s because they command respect, they know there job, there fit and there backed properly

    I’m not defending the abuse officials get, I’m saying Bernstien needs to shut up and take a look closer to home if he wants to know why the officials aren’t respected
    There out of shape and out of touch

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    TS

    you can hardly say all managers act like pardew with the same frequency. it is incessant

    big sham may be the only other one who comes close

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    TDS

    I don’t buy this role model thing, When I was younger i’d play certain video games, watch films with swearing, hear others swear, see the way others act but parental discipline meant that I didn’t act like that, especially when around family/school teachers.

    Too much these days is put as an influence on kids when in reality it’s lazy parenting.

    Markaccus

    I wouldn’t worry about your lad, if he doesn’t want to get involved he will be fine, plenty streets he can turn off on if there is trouble, rarely do you seen any, i never have had any trouble at or after a game, home or away.

  • 37 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Walton

    And with that reaction, i believe you to be one of the trouble makers.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    matty

    pulis, hughes, wenger, ferguson, mancini,….seen all of those shouting at refs plenty of times, confronting them on the pitch also.

    it’s a problem with the game, players and managers don’t respect officials and the FA seem to neither properly clamp down on them and also not identify the problem that the refereeing is sub par

  • 39 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Rotonda

    3 defeats in a row. Worse still no goals :(

  • 40 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    On the role model thing
    Yes these footballers/managers are role models and the FA has done the right thing by reminding Pardew of his responsibilities as such

    But let’s not all of us act like angels, can anybody on here in all honesty say they have never acted in a manor they have regretted afterwards?

  • 41 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Combined IQ of Ashley Kinnear and Pardew is less than Forest Gump.

  • 42 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Serioisly

    How dare you have a go at me. The things i said were factual. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I know a few people who have come home smelling of Sh1t and p1ss because of the trouble making elements. I did not accuse anyone here personally. I simply stated that it happens, and that both sets of fans have trouble making groups.

  • 43 G // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    @40, I would love to say that I have never, however, that would be a blatant lie. Fair comments mate.

  • 44 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Goodness grief.

    Has Mr Bernstein ever been in a competitive situation. There is so much pressure on these managers. It’s not as if it wS directed at the crowd, TV or an official.

    It was simply a verbal spat, unfortunately caught on TV, in the heat of the moment. Mr Pardew apologised later.

    These two gentlemen are full of gusto and spunk unlike Mr Bernstein who is nothing more than a stinking rotter.

  • 45 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    T sage

    I am a dad, can’t help worrying :D

  • 46 Phatoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    @41

    Yet 1 has over a £1 billion and the other has a very cushy job….

    I’d gladly be “that thick”

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    70TWO

    Are you known as ”statto”? Not a dig but you’re are always on here with facts and figures like that.

  • 48 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    G
    Lol fair play mate
    Me personally i have 2 kids and try to bring them up in the right way, and they are great kids lovely personalities polite etc, but I’d be down right lying if i said they’d never heard me say something i really wouldn’t want them to hear thinking they weren’t in earshot!

    At the end of the day, football is an emotional game, Pardew messed up, he’s apologised, he’s been reminded of his duties and cautioned over future conduct for me that’s the end of it, it only gets dragged on when dinosaurs like Betnstien decide they want to get involved

  • 49 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    My good friends. Having only supported Newcastle United for a few weeks, I could not help noticing how superb that Mr Ben Arfa is.

    But why does Mr Pardew not play him consistently as a traditional number 10. He skips past opponents like Georgie Best. Surely he would be far more dangerous playing in the Peter Beardsley role.

    I would like to hear your thoughts chaps.

  • 50 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Just for the FEW supporting pardew on this one – there is a difference between showing passion and delivering verbal abuse , some say everyone in the crowd swears , I didn’t see them – get what I’m saying , people say pulis, fergie , hughes , all swear – yeah they do – that dosnt make it right though . He is manager of a great club , ACT like the manager of a great club and stop embarrassing yourself .

  • 51 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    all managers swear it was extreme from pardew cos it was an extreme cicumstance prob pells wound him up even more by telling him it was offside imagine what jose would have done altho he would have said it all in portugese haha

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    markaccuss

    only natural isn’t it, just trying to say there is plenty places and ways to get away if a lot of touble breaks out and it’s rare for people to get caught up in it much these days.

    As long as he isn’t sat under the away fans he should be ok from anything thrown (i’d have hoped anyway).

  • 53 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    S&D

    I would prefer him central, behind a striker. I dont like him out wide, personally

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    the swearing at the other manager, although distasteful is not that bad, it’s not ideal and no way to behave but it’s not as serious as shouting at match officials.

  • 55 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    T sage.

    He isnt the best with directions

    By the way, my rant was not aimed at you, Walton called me a helmet because of my concerns. It was aimed at him/her.

  • 56 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    T sage

    Although pellican greeny is not much older than Pardew, he does look about 70!
    I think pardews insult was accurate :D

  • 57 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Walton called me a helmet lol its 11pm so i suppose it is playtime at junior school haha

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    markaccus

    i presumed it wasn’t at me, i didn’t think i had spoken out of turn.

    And i though pelligrini was 70 from looking at him, shocked when somebody said 58 yesterday. Still no need for pardew to act like that, other managers do it a lot too, not like he is the only one who needs more class..harsh by those to say pardew is the only guy to do it.

  • 59 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Rotonda heights

    Very fond of offering an opinion to, but prefer evidence and to offer the opportunity for others to see it also. As others have said, opinion is biased, flawed and sometimes offensive. Also when I am asked to explore my opinion further I often find I have gone down a blind alley.

  • 60 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Any Rumours going around any new ones.

  • 61 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Wolfshead

    It wasnt the insult itself, it was the fact he had the audacity to critisise me for having safety concerns fo MY son. Like anything posted here, it is open for debate, but T Sage debated it without insult. Walton could not do that, and clearly is not a father, or if he is, he is a bad one if he does not understand my feelings on this.

  • 62 oldbobaycliffe // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    according to kinnear we have a team good enough to finish in the top 5 does this mean that if we finish 10th that pardew will be sacked as he will have failed to get the best from his team.no wonder he is swearing the pressure is getting to him

  • 63 Abbott // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    If you are a competetive soul like Pardew and also a victim of insane and injust referring continiously, I cannot blame our manager for his rage outbreak…

    Its not about a bad luck moments, these type of injust decisions rarely happen to big clubs vs low/mid table clubs. Constant whining from stars and too much respect from the refs provides an unfair advantage. If it was only bad luck I could take it, but supporting a non-big club is just an emotional roller coster. Not worth it.

    Playing the way we did vs city and still not pick up anything from it due to big teams given the advantage and refs listening to whining stars, leaves a sour taste in my mouth. When they also showed the ambigious red card for S.Taylor in the previous meeting vs city, its simply not fun – sad injust conditions.

    Football became a lot more boring after the weekend. I can understand Pardew.

  • 64 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Beattie

    glad to see youre back

  • 65 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Won’t be surprised if Pardew & Kinnear have a meeting next Saturday to discuss transfer targets. NUFC have a weekend off after FACUP exit

    Pardew must love the job. Many weekends off after January

  • 66 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    T sage

    I think pardew should have called him “a silly blinking flipper” then all this would have been avoided.

    Your right, he is not the only one to do this, and if people say it shows he has no class, then just about every other manager in the world is classless!

  • 67 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    abbott

    your defence of pardew against the tide of hostility on here looks like a piss take lol

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    70TWO

    fair enough. As I say it wasn’t a dig.
    – - – -
    Pellegrini the beautiful game or pardew the containing game. Hmmm…..

    Given each others players would city be ”Pardewed” and play ”containing” football and would Pellegrini have us
    passing and moving and great to watch?

    I would say if Pardew had city’s squad he’d do no better than hughes did.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    markaccus

    i dont approve of what pardew does…but he is far from the only one. they all need to learn respect and to control themselves…other sports dont have this issue as much.

    although in rugby there are quite a few punches thrown so it’s not the perfect game some make out

  • 70 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Rotonda

    If pardew had citeh, he would be swimming surrounded by 20 playboy bunnies in a pool of golden syrup. He has never seen that amount of wages in any of his jobs before :D

  • 71 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Whilst there are benefits to loaning de Jong the situation is very unstable (ie Remy) for all concerned and a loan plus signing on figure would be difficult to establish. As they are not likely to re-coup their original £12.5M they need to be prepared to drop and we need assurances that we will not pay over the odds.

    As there is (say) 16 games left, why not sign him for £6M plus £1M for every four playing appearance and £2M for 8 goals before the end of the season. Surely that is a deal worth going for?

  • 72 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    70TWO

    because he couldn’t cut it in the Bundesliga so all signs point to him not cutting it here

  • 73 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Have no idea why we’re after Luuk de Jong. We dodged a bullet with him going to Germany. Why revisit this when he’s proven he isn’t up to it? Is this a sign of our ambition?

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    markakkus

    as you say no one expects saints but there’s a fair few colourful choices that needn’t have gone quite as as far as actually calling someone a c- – -

    probably totally lost on Pello any way

  • 75 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    rotonda

    if your so unhappy watching the toon dont do it then simples

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    matty

    he hasn’t had a chance in germany though…by all accounts the manager didn’t want him there and he doesn’t play much, he doesn’t suit the style of the team.

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    markakus @ 70

    Oh god you could just see it now the old aging silver lothario !!

  • 78 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    T sage

    Yes rugby has its problems. I think the major difference is how it is dealt with. If it is a minor flair of tempers, with a few weakly thrown slaps, then the ref will walk the offenders away and warn them to pack it in, to which the reply is “yes sir” otherwise you are sent off. On the other hand, a totally unwarranted punch from nowhere will imediately get you banned for at least 3 weeks. (No matter how many club/international games are within that time scale.) You do not get the massive media furor and mobs of protesting fans, and you get far far fewer petulant players.

  • 79 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Rotonda heights

    If you believe the more than likely idea that Ashley just wants to ‘flip’ the club to a cash buyer, then Pardew is not going anywhere. He has limited ability but able to get top half performances and most importantly does not cost much. Those calling for Ashley out will, sooner or later, get their wish. But then what? High octane, financial obliteration, or a continuation of prudency and fundamental club development.

  • 80 cjtoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Just seen a few articles saying we had scouts at Derby v Leicester on friday. The press reckon we are after Anthony Knockaert. I wouldnt mind him to be honest although i think he just signed a new deal, not that that really matters these days.

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    wolfshead

    time was that after 44 years of watching them I would take offence at that.

    Now maybe I’m wiser and a bit more discerning so it just washes over me.

  • 82 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Rotonda

    Yeah sorry for the image

    I may have put everyone off lunch now!

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    markaccus

    yeh it’s much better, just saying it does have faults. never see a punch thrown in football, just a tame slap or a grab of the shirt.

    but the difference is rugby the players respect the ref and each other (in the sense they may get rough but wont try to get others sent off).

  • 84 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    T sage

    Footballers don’t through punches because they might crack a nail :D
    Even keano only managed a mincing flap at shearer that time!

  • 85 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    TS

    no offence meant but i highly doubt you know the style of Monchengladbach or de Jong’s. Could be true about the manager, but he made over 30 appearances last season, so that falls a bit short. Bottom line is we’re going in for someone who isn’t cutting it and has yet to cut it at a level higher than the Eredivisie. That to me is the proverbial gamble. What I know about him? He’s slow, and he isn’t scoring. We can hardly afford another passenger on the pitch

    The Bundesliga is the most similar league to the PL. If he can’t cut it there, there’s no way he’ll cut it here.

  • 86 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    cjtoon

    didn’t ed post an article about one of leicster’s fullbacks?

  • 87 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    72

    Hear what you’re saying and unlike jail for ashley I am not totally against ashley per se, just his uninspiring and underwhelming choices of manager, D.O.F, assorted coaches and tacky sponsors.

    The first time KK was here, the feel good factor was off the scale, big name players wanted to join us and the buzz generated back then was nothing to how it feels today.

    After 44 years it’s hard to walk away and very facile for people to say don’t watch it then. But KK (& SBR) and Pardew are light and shade.

    If people can hand on heart say they get the same thrill from watching Pardew’s team than KK’s, then maybe it is time to call it a day and let the lunatics take over the asylum. Oh wait…..

  • 88 Belfast // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    It’s the center half at Leicester we’re watching. Nearly sure you call him Liam Moore

  • 89 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    rotonda

    i would say roughly 9/10 of your posts involve pardew. seriously how much time do you spend thinking about the man. its starting to look like a rather unhealthy obsession

  • 90 cjtoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    matty:

    Yeah i mean it could have been one of a number of people but a young promising winger seems reasonably likely to me. The only other candidates would be Liam moore the guy ed mentioned and Will hughes i would have thought. I think mason bennett made a cameo too.

  • 91 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    mattyNUFC

    If we were seriously interested before he went to Germany there must be something in his game. He has the stature of Negredo and although his 1 goal in 4 last season does not appear good for a striker offers a platform to work from for a debut season.

    With all transfers being highly scrutinised, I am trying to offer the best possible solution to getting in another striker at a decent cost. We do require another forward and there does not appear to be the willingness to pay more than the £10M needed to buy a decent player.

    When you consider Ashleys willingness to gamble on players like Ba, it may appeal to him to do a double de Jong deal that would generate a lot of publicity for SD in the Netherlands. (Don’t ask why)

  • 92 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    wolfshead

    when the club is so many people’s obsession, probably yours too, why try to call out someone because he’s discussing the man who is the face of it?

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    matty

    I don’t watch bundesliga outside of dotmund/munich games when i get chance. Just going off what somebody posted who says they watch a lot of the side that the team play with 2 number 10 types and no out and out striker and that his 15 games this year total 87 minutes on the pitch.

    Last season he did play more and got 8 in 31, not great but if not suited to a team its a decent return for a first season stepping up if not a managers choice…not sure how many starts he had.

  • 94 cjtoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    Just out of interest has anyone seen cresswell the left back from ipswich this season. He has 1 assists so far this season. what a player!

  • 95 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    70TWO

    can’t agree with the logic that if we were interested, there must be something there.

    Carr’s found some gems no doubt, but he’s hardly infallible. Modibo Maiga? Douglas? Amalfitano? Yven Moyo? the list goes on….

  • 96 cjtoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    haha unfortunate typo – 11 assists!

  • 97 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    and 70two

    i’ve got a similar stature to negredo. by no means does that mean i could even lace his boots!

  • 98 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    Rotonda heights

    If you squint hard enough there are glimpses of an attacking side :-)

  • 99 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    cjtoon

    haha. i was gonna say it doesn’t take much to impress you!

  • 100 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    mattyNUFC

    :-) touche

  • 101 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    Morning all
    De jong £1 mill loan deal with a view to a permanent but we have only offered £6 mill,Which is why the deal is stalling.
    Tds
    Noticed a comment you made yesterday bud about the squad is moving forward. How do you come to that conclusion when we only escaped by the skin of our teeth last season and still haven’t signed any body

  • 102 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    I’m taller than shearer, but i am yet to score any goals for England :D

  • 103 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    but hey, i’d gladly take his brother!

    I’ve only seen Ajax play a few times this year but i’d seen him more regularly in years past and he’s class.

    actually i’d take their whole squad (manager indubitably included) over ours.

  • 104 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    matty

    when i think of nufc i think of the team the manager the fans and the city over and out

  • 105 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    i think we desperately need a new signing up front even if it is only to shake up the strikers we’ve got at the moment.
    Scored 1 goal in the last four games and that was a Cisse scramble

  • 106 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    and cj

    aaron cresswell sounds interesting. won supporters player of the year award last year. 11 assists this year. hell, that’s probably more than any of our players had for all of last season.

  • 107 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    70TWO

    in spite of pardew not because of him

    our team has so much potential , id really love to see a good manager set them free , let them lose

    id love to watch games where we go and score 4 or 5, but not against a team with 9 men

  • 108 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    TADS

    The rugby officials are working on a very different sport. They pretty much need to make calls about the ball going backwards, set-pieces (in a much smaller space and with much less movement), tries and tackles. They even have video assistance for tries that they’re not sure about. And yet they still make mistakes! They have given tries wrongly, missed gouging and even missed forward passes, they’re only human too.

    People seem to think refs have got worse, but really there’s just so much more scrutiny because of the number of cameras.

    The silly thing about Sunday is have they actually said why the goal was officially ruled out? If it’s for interference then between the ref and assistance they must have known Goofy wasn’t in the way. If it’s for Goofy touching it then either (a) the ref is sure and needs to get his eyes checked or (b) he was fairly sure and made a mistake by not giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. Surely the City players would have appealed instantly if Goofy touched it.

    Police, teachers, parents etc. all make mistakes as well as referees. There’s no excuse for abusing them either.

  • 109 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    wolfshead@toon

    when you look at our great club

    can you honestly say you are proud of our manager ?

    is he there on merit?

    do you trust him ?

    this is his team, most of the players are his, a huge upgrade (ability wise) on CHs team,

    but do we show it

    no
    no
    no

  • 110 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    TS

    Video game characters, film characters and peers are not role models in positions of authority. Referees are. If players and managers are abusing referees then why shouldn’t kids abuse the referees in their kids games? And if they abuse the referees when they believe they made a mistake (which they may or may not have), what’s to stop them abusing teachers, their parents, the police etc.?

  • 111 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Charlie
    We are going to be in sh@t street mate if this the Cf position is not addressed soon. Remy gone-strolla gone and that leaves Cisse if he is still here. Look at the season we were relegated and the attacking options we had at our disposal……Owen,Viduka,Martins,Strolla,Ranger yet some fans think we are better equipped ??……..I don’t think so

  • 112 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    TDS

    you get mistakes in all sports but what you need to do is make sure things are improved as much as possible and certain things are punished.

    Rugby have a very good panel which deals with incidents whether the ref admits a mistake or not. That should definitely come in to play.

    Refs have just been made fully profesional and not part time this past year or two so hopefully that will start to show results.

  • 113 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    tds

    are you saying the fans were wrong for booing the ref on sunday then

  • 114 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    jazzyp

    If we’re not moving forward (in fact some say moving backwards), could you list a better squad that we’ve had since SBR’s time? I’d say the 5 signings last Jan plus Remy on loan last summer are signs we’re moving forward. And very few of our players are past their peak.

  • 115 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    TDS
    I disagree heavily on that point….there is a culture now where kids think they can copy any behaviour they see others do, that should be stamped out.

    Just because a pro does it doesn’t mean a kid should. When I have kids if one of mine abuses an official anywhere near that level whether they see rooney/pardew/messi whoever do it they will not be playing for a while and won’t play at all if it continues.

    People are influenced by everything, fictional or real, it’s up to parents to make sure that they know what behaviour is right and wrong and to make sure they act the correct way

  • 116 cjtoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    yeah 11 assists is pretty ridiculous from left back. Yes that would beat all of our players assist totals since we have been back in the premier league and he still has half a season to add to that! Its pretty depressing really barton and cabaye have had the most with 9 each since we have been back in the prem

  • 117 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    i think spitting the c word straight into pelligrini’s face just about sums up the man. it’s shows zero class and zero respect for a fellow manager.

    effing and blinding is one thing…calling the man c@nt with as much venom as he did is in my book inexcusable and just about sums up the intelligence of the man too…pelligrini didn’t disallow the goal yet he got both barrels simply because Pardew needed an outlet and of he’d said it to the fourth official or linesman he would have been sent off to the stands…saying to pelligrini he just has to sorry and he thinks all is forgiven.

    Well done pelligrini for making nothing of it

  • 118 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    TS

    Agreed. Definitely lessons for the FA to learn on ref performance. I don’t understand why the ref can’t just explain his reasons for the big decisions after the game and admit his mistakes. I’d have a lot more respect for that.

  • 119 martoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Anybody managed to get on the NUFC website to buy tickets? – I can’t get past the “You are in a queue” screen!

  • 120 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    catchy

    no but i dont obsess over it and if you asked me would i swap him for one of the past managers we have had since sbr was sacked i would say f*** off you old c*** lol ;-)

  • 121 south coast toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    good on pards he should of told the ref as well,passion from our manager and so what if everyones watching him , everyone was watching the referee too and it was rediculas can we not sub the ref f.. c in one sentence to him and all .god if that had happened to alex ferguson the ref would of never got back on the pitch.
    well done pards is what i say we were robbed of a game by a criooked ref even gary neville has said as much and that f.. c played for man f … u… the c…

  • 122 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    jazzp
    better all-round team at the moment but for up-front.
    I would have a punt for Benteke – I know he is not firing on all cylinders but proven in the premiership playing for a poor team could get him at a decent price

  • 123 70TWO // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate @105

    On the button, they will be playing the long hand and waiting for others to break first.

  • 124 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    TDS

    the ref wouldn’t even need to come in front of the camera, could just release a statement to all media.

  • 125 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    wolfshead

    Fans booing the ref? Nah, that’s understandable in the circumstances and I think it’s just banter. I don’t really agree with the verbal abuse that referees get but I don’t think its a problem amongst adults. I’ve heard people tell someone else to stop swearing and abusing so much when kids are around though.

  • 126 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    southcoast

    saf was such a bully mike jones would have been too scared to disallow the goal btw if the game had taken place in south america jonesy would have had to run for his life lol

  • 127 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Ts
    If it wasn’t for the Qpr game mate we would have been relegated simple.
    As I have said look at the attacking options we had when we went down and look what we have now. Remy for what it is worth is nothing more than a loan deal which is a temporary solution to an underlying problem we have at the club.
    Ba left because of Ambition,Cabs wants to leave because of ambition, And to be fair you cant fault players wanting to better themselves as fans want nufc to better themselves.
    If we have a number of injuries again we do not have any strength in depth to cope with the rigours of a Pl season and that is not how a club of Nufc’s stature should be run

  • 128 Mattroge // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    @Marton119, no joy whatsoever pal. One of my mates rang the box office as well & was on hold for nearly 2 hours before getting through. Total joke.

  • 129 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    in rugby a referee is mainly managing two teams whose players have usually had half decent upbringings and have been brought up in the game to respect the ref.

    can you imagine football refs having live microphones like rugby!!!!

    it’s as if players in football are brought up to disrespect the ref and football has a lot to learn from rugby in both terms of respect and how the game can be stopped for video replays of incidents to ensure the right decisions are made.

    football only really needs to look at incidents within 22 yards of each goal and the game will become fairer and it will actually reduce the disrespecting of referees as the evidence will be there for all to see

  • 130 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Who gives a flying f what pardew called another teams manager at least he is showing passion. Its meant to be a football blog and you sound like a load of tarts.

  • 131 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    TS

    So when you were a kid (or maybe you are still?), you didn’t have role models? We, humans, are not ingrained with our finished personality. We pick it up from our life experiences. Sure, parents have the most important job in ensuring that their kids have the right morals.

    I think football players and football managers get paid enough to do so with grace. People in rugby, tennis, golf and cricket manage it almost all of the time.

  • 132 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    nufc-83

    hardly…it’s that kind of attitude which sees officials disrespected so much by players and managers. It happens at all levels and football is the worst sport for it.

  • 133 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    nufc-83

    well said mate :-)

  • 134 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    woflshead

    a fan like you is deserving of such a manager

    in all reality, for all of Hughton’s shortcomings he was an absolute gentlemen. He was also nowhere near as stubborn when it came to the team at his disposal (which wasn’t much). would’ve been interested to see if and how he’d have evolved with this squad.

    pardew’s an embarrassment in my opinion. I’d still take Chris over him any day of the week.

  • 135 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    TS again i couldn’t give two f’s about disrespecting officials football is a working class sport and will always have the problems that you see now. It might be worth you spending your time watching the ballet if you have a problem with it.

  • 136 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Sparky

    Totally agree with your second point. When i played rugby, i was taight to respect the ref, and other players.

    As a falcons supporter, i can say that the ref does still receive some abuse from crowds, but thats due to the fact that, because they get so much respect within tje game, we expect fair play. If a crowd beleive the ref has been unfair, they let him know. However, itbdoesnt get out of hand, and players NEVER abuse him.

    O think you have gone ott about pardew in your first post thoigh :D

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    TDS

    Of course I did when I was younger, but through my upbringing I knew what i could and could not copy from them, and when i did make a mistake i was told so and taught not to do it again.

    I don’t mean to say kids aren’t influenced by footballers, but why do people presume they will copy the bad actions. If they do they need to be corrected by their parents to stop that behaviour.

    I remember my grandparents saying how when they were young they would hear people swear often, older guys at games, in the pubs, etc etc…but that didn’t mean they could copy and they’d get a good hiding if they did.

    These days we look for excuses for every piece of bad/negative behaviour. Sometimes people simple lack discipline.

  • 138 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    *I *though

  • 139 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    nufc83

    when your line of defence stings with this tough guy, misogynistic undertone, i feel a bit embarrassed to know my passion is shared with such archaic buffoons

  • 140 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Somewhat surprisingly ( for me) I find myself in agreement with Rotonda on the Pardew outburst. My initial thoughts on hearing of it were exactly as he said, SBR would not have behaved like that.

    Maybe Pardew is spending too much time in the company of Joe Kinnear. Pardew is not a callow youth but Fifty-two and is a long serving manager in the game. Pardew has a history of touchline incidents and it’s time he did something about his exercising of self control. I briefly spoke to him after the game and he said he had apologised for setting a terrible example to the kids. But he gave me the heat of the moment line which I told him was not something I had experienced but I found his behaviour inexcusable which initially annoyed him and he claimed out of …… order. He did though somewhat reluctantly acknowledge in a vague way that he did need to address such things. Time will tell.

    I didn’t wish to push my luck so i didn’t get around to any talk of the real scandal for me which was the wild hack from MYM that has ruled Samir Nasri out for eight weeks. Unusually little chat about the game and how well the toon had played.

  • 141 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    nufc-83

    not at all, i want to watch an entertaining sport like football where people actually know respect, it wasn’t always that way. During the 60/70s you never have players screaming at officials, surrounding them like they do now and it was more a working class game then than it is now.

    just because people are working class doesn’t mean they don’t have respect/manners for others…to suggest the lack of respect is due to it being working class is very disrespectful of the working class.

  • 142 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    matty

    i agree but it didnt happen so you have to move on but having said that hes not setting the wotld alight at norwich if anything they have got worse since he brought his own players in

  • 143 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Nufc-83

    Football started as a working class sports but now it’ everywhere.

    And if you have kids, you think it’s ok for them to abuse people in authority when they don’t agree with them?

    Your kids will go far I’m sure…

  • 144 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    markaccus@136

    that’s mainly cos I can’t stand the bloke to be fair! :-) hahahaha

  • 145 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    Got to say, I was disappointed with the attendance on Sunday. I thought the Toon Army would have filled the stadium.

    I did my bit and filled my executive box.

    I hope I’m not insulting any of you chaps but I assume the vast majority on here don’t go to the games.

    I heard the Toon Army failed to snap up the cheap half season tickets.

    I’m not bloody surprised. How you chaps sit in those hard plastic seats in the North East wind is beyond me. I’m assuming you chaps are fed up of it too.

    Damn that Mr Ashley. He needs to turn the whole stadium into executive boxes.

    You can watch the game in peace and the warmth. Far better.

  • 146 bobby mango // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    “I think it’s time managers assumed a much greater sense of responsibility for their behavior.”

    So should refs and the FA.

  • 147 JAMSHA // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    i see on sky we are looking at 19 yr old Italian CB Daniele Rugani

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    nufc-83

    the swearing for me isn’t an issue, i don’t understand how that offends people so much anyway….it’s the shouting at refs and officials that annoys me.

    people swear in all walks of life and that’s fine, doesn’t worry me, but at least respect others.

  • 149 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    beattie

    don’t you live in ireland?

  • 150 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    bobby

    of course they should, the FA needs to look at what refs are doing and why so many are failing.

    but that doesn’t mean you can berrate them

  • 151 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    Actually polo may be the sport you lot should be watching. Some upstanding people playing that sport i guess your ears would never be tarnished by such foul mouthed words you will hear at the football.

  • 152 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    TS

    Parents aren’t around all of the time. Kids definitely emulate football players when they play their games. I know a few people who are involved in kids football and some of the kids swear, complain about decisions and try other things like dive.

    I’m not saying that football is the root of all evil, but why can’t they be a positive influence rather than a negative?

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    nufc-83

    the swearing for me isn’t an issue, i don’t understand how that offends people so much anyway….it’s the shouting at refs and officials that annoys me.

    people swear in all walks of life and that’s fine, doesn’t worry me, but at least respect others.

  • 154 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    TDS

    Nufc-83 have kids? he sounds more like a closet homosexual to me. Usually it’s the ones most trying to assert their manliness who are the ones least likely to be ushered out.

    And by no means take that as homophobic. i haven’t a problem in the world with what anyone does, but nufc-83 seems he’s grappling for self-assertion.

  • 155 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    TDS

    they should be, but we shouldn’t be getting our moral guidance from footballers.

    Obviously parents aren’t around all the time, but if the kids act up somebody should be telling them…teachers, coaches, other parents etc. Then it is dealt with after.

  • 156 JAMSHA // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    if i was pardew i would have beatn him till he accepts his wrong

  • 157 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Beattie – An expensive Xmas and 3 home games in 10 days where many dads took young kids I am told has taken it’s toll on the finances for many.

  • 158 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    TS…I read the article :)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25680571

    it should have been called “One nation’s maverick is another nation’s genius” lol

    Anyways, I phrase I really likes and I think I might just make my own was “suspicious free-thinker” – now that sums it up for me and it sums up the attitude in here at times. Alot of people in here don’t seem to like free-thinkers, they prefer a team-player, someone who fits the pattern.

    Just by reading what Wilshere was saying, “We are English and we are tough on the pitch. Spain are technical; England are brave and tackle hard,” makes me wanna kick his arse ;)

    For some reason I have forgotten how good Hoddle was – I don’t know why really, and frankly I cannot understand why he turned out to be the coach he always hated? By Matt Le Tissier was the reason why I started watching English football; I was a SOTON fan as I kid and that was when I stumbled upon a kid named Shearer :D

    …and I followed him ever since. That’s why I am a Newcastle fan today (and Keegan as well)

  • 159 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    nufc-83

    the swearing for me isn’t an issue, i don’t understand how that offends people so much anyway….it’s the shouting at refs and officials that annoys me.

    people swear in all walks of life and that’s fine, doesn’t worry me, but at least respect others.

    I am not sure i see it as a big problem players will always complain to the ref about decisions its part and parcel of the game just like you would when you play Sunday league and the ref turns down a clear decision. If the players go over the top and touch the ref or say anything totally over the top they are red carded its that simple.

  • 160 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    i dont usually agree with jamsha but im warming to him haha

  • 161 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    *I = a

  • 162 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    jesper

    it was a good read…it did make me wonder why i criticise hba so much for not being a team player then in all other teams i follow call for some creative flair and defend those who show it…very odd.

    i like hoddle, was a great coach but those comments he made got him sacked (rightly so). He would be great to see back coaching now.

  • 163 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Matty go back to your domino game or world of warcraft.

  • 164 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    TS

    Easier said than done mate. We’re struggling to get people into kids coaching and referees because they get a lot of abuse from kids and parents.

    There have been some wonderful moments like Fowler appealing against a penalty he was given and Di Canio refusing to score when the keeper was down injured.

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    nufc-83

    It’s true in sunday league but never happens in the prem, never get a red card. I think it’s clear from the amount of wrong decisions made that refereeing isn’t easy, therefore anything which pressures/influences them should be cut out.

    It would be good to see more respect. I know, even subconsciously, if i had a player constantly shouting at me then there was a 50/50 there’s a good chance he’d be on the wrong end of the decision.

    You see it in local cricket i play, if somebody shouts at an umpire then every decision goes against them, it’s wrong for the official to act that way but it happens…i don’t get why players shout.

  • 166 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Personally, i think pardew went over the top, but i dont think it shows a lack of class, but rather a bit of passion. I have said before, people can find valid reasons to complain about him, instead of picking fault. Alex fergusson used to swear at officials all the time, yet as hated as he was among some fans, no one can say he has no class.

  • 167 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    TDS

    thats the issue for me….kids and parents abusing officials, if the parents do it the kids have no chance.

    I have a younger brother who plays for a kids team and none of the kids or parents act that way. If any of them do they have been told they get one warning then they are off the team…that goes for kids and parents.

  • 168 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    you know how I think pardew is puppet

    well I think I was close to roving it on sunday, I was sure I seen FJK with his hand up pardew backside, the words coming out his mouth seem to match the things that

  • 169 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Transfer – The parents should be the role models in a child’s life.

  • 170 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    markaccus

    i would certainly say ferguson had no class…no respect for others and did the best for his club, possibly why he was so successful.

    but he could do that for man utd and get away with it, players still wanted to go there, sponsors still wanted to pay them, etc etc as they were so sucessful for so long. That wouldn’t work at most clubs.

  • 171 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

    start again

    you know how I think pardew is puppet

    well I think I was close to proving it on sunday, I was sure I seen JFK with his hand up pardews backside, the words coming out his mouth seem to match the things that JFK would normally say

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    ian

    i agree, that’s the problem today….too much freedom for kids. People don’t seem to see the difference between allowing the child to think freely and be creative and running wild, they need tohave respect and discipline still.

  • 173 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    TS @ 150

    Most refs are very good it’s just that the game moves so fast now they need help making decisions…the type of help only technology can help them with.

    American football games (not soccer) lasts over 3 hours because there’s so much going on but it doesn’t stop the enjoyment of the fans.

    Rugby league games are all over within an hour and 3/4 even with stoppages for video replays because there’s only an average of 5 per game as it’s restricted to serious foul play and try/ potential try incidents

    I don’t understand the games reticence to use technology and it will help the lack of respect referees have in the game and will stop injustices like tiotes disallowed goal but on the other hand MBIWA would have sent off.

    The ref has also p!ssed on Liverpool and chelsea and Arsenal’s chips because the toon could have gone on to win that game but in essence the refs decision handed man city 3 points so if man city win the league by a point then there’s a few managers going to look back at that decision with even more disgust.

    I hope the incident and others like it mean change…liverpool got a penalty that never was on sunday at a time that made a real difference to the game and stuff like this needs to be irradiated from the game.

  • 174 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    TS i do agree with you but its something that is so embedded into the game then letting it impact on your enjoyment of the game seems totally stupid to me. I am not saying that is how it should be as I do have a little lad and if i took him to a football team and the manager of that team was swearing profusely he certainly wouldn’t be staying with them. At the end of the day its what is expected when going to a game because of how often it happens and so i really cant see how people are so offended.

  • 175 jimmysmith // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    I understand he shouldn’t be doing it in his position, but really, personally, I couldn’t care less. Loads of people swear, it’s part and parcel of everyday life. I couldn’t be less offended. If anything I enjoyed it. And he’s owned it and he’s apologized, and I’m sure he won’t be doing it again. End of.

  • 176 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    TDS
    Rugby is just an example i was using, and yes i know they have a video ref hence the comment about Bernstien being out of touch

    And your never going to eradicate all error from calls but mate it’s not like this is happening only once every few games the refs are making a major major error in at least one PL fixture every week

    Tensions are high because these calls cost clubs millions

    As for the amount footballers are paid i don’t think that comes into it for the 90 minutes on the pitch, they are playing a high tempo emotional and competitive game, you want them focused solely on that not thinking about what the cameras are watching

  • 177 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    TDsarf,
    You pointed out that Owen and Boumsong wouldn’t have happened under the current regime, on the flip side neither would Shearer, Ferdinand or Cole
    Moving forward doesn’t involve taking two steps back.

  • 178 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    My goodness grief. What’s all this about bad behaviour, role models and good parenting.

    I thought you foot soldiers were a tough brigade. You bloody sound like a bunch of soft nannies.

    I heard for worse from the supporters than a 5 second spat.

    Good god get a grip chaps.

    Messers Pardew & Pellegrini showed some real spunk.
    I loved it.

  • 179 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    My goodness grief. What’s all this about bad behaviour, role models and good parenting.

    I thought you foot soldiers were a tough brigade. You bloody sound like a bunch of soft nannies.

    I heard for worse from the supporters than a 5 second spat.

    Good god get a grip chaps.

    Messers Pardew & Pellegrini showed some real spunk.
    I loved it.

    Well said lol!!!
    Matty hows the poetry coming along!

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    nufc-83

    i won’t let it stop me enjoying the game, and as i said to TDS good parents should tell there kids not to behave that way, so it shouldn’t filter down really…problem is not all do. but that’s life as you say.

    sparky

    american football is so slow it’s painful to watch, hate football to go that way…it’s like 4 hours of set pieces with nobody thinking for themselves, boring in my eyes but a lot do like it.

    I’d say that i like your idea, only used for serious foul play and maybe a penalty. Seen the news FIFA have approved some comity to be alllowed to make more changes/recomendations and it possibly gives the green light for trials of sin bins….possibly the same could come from technology.

  • 181 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    nufc83

    still baiting? shearer and the duchess is beattie and he’s being completely facetious, you buffoon.

  • 182 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    If the officials could do there job’s correctly then these outbursts would not happen, it’s not the manager’s who need to get there house in order its the FA and their refs who need to get their standards higher than what they are, how can you blame a manager for blowing his top when such an appalling decision has been made against his team, you have got to allow for human nature, and we do get riled when we are wronged, it is natural to do that.

  • 183 JP...from The Rock // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    “I think it’s time managers assumed a much greater sense of responsibility for their behavior.”

    …Tell that to the REF YOU CU*T!!! He robbed us a huge goal and it was a beautiful strike to make it even more painful.

    And what happens to the ref? NOTHING!! A fcuking joke this is!

    But we still lose all three points when we could have probably nicked a draw at least!

  • 184 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    Matty regardless the concept of what he is saying is bang on to the majority of football fans.

  • 185 Ancientcoptic // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Pardew, the spreader of EVIL!!!!

    What about the childrunnnss, Pardew is turning the childrunns evil with his demonic foul language.

    LMAO, some of you need to grow up.

  • 186 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    “What is a football manager in any case?

    Not the suit or the tracksuit or the ego who are paid to represent the club.

    It’s not the excuses, the apologies or praise for the tactics and formations.

    It’s not the strutting and posing on the touch line.

    It’s about being that person that the small boy first sees having clambered up the stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”

    And then hearing the manager shouting those immortal words to the other manager;

    ” Hoo you f@@ckin old C@&t ! F@c& off!”

  • 187 Ancientcoptic // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Pardew got caught using some unsavoury language, we do not know if he was provoked, and he has apologised…. move on!

    The fact Pardew cares enough about our side to get that worked up, is a big indicator of where his priorities are.

  • 188 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    nufc-83

    i’m done. i don’t even know why i engaged with someone at your level. If this were to carry on i think i’d regret it after some other mildly sexist or homophobic remark was written down. You’re a tough guy, or you think so, i get it. Pardew was just being tough, nay, normal, right? Well pardew’s absolutely despicable human being by all counts. Great role model. Great personality to defend. Real manly of you

  • 189 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    You’re missing the point spoof…pellegrini didn’t disallow the goal and certainly didn’t deserve to be called an effing c@nt. it was a pathetic outburst that if he’d directed at the fourth official he would have sent to the stands but he blew off at the easy target because he snydy pr!ck with no respect for a fellow manger.

    you can show passion in many ways…calling a manager an effing c@nt is not one of them and had technology been used then all this bluff and bluster is removed.

    shows pardew for what he is…an effing c@nt!

  • 190 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    beattie!

    thanks for that! haha. much needed anecdote!! i think that was the first thing i’ve actually laughed at on this blog! well done

  • 191 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    @188

    spoken like a true mackem

  • 192 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    wolfshead

    we still do that on here? we still call people mackems?

  • 193 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    matty

    go away have a cuppa clear your head come back with an open mind and re read this thread and tell me there arent ppl on here with agendas at best and mackems at worst

  • 194 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    Nufc- 83 @ 130. Yep this is a football blog and grown hard men are on it and watch it . However so do small children and wives . And I would prefer it if pardew didn’t speak those obscenities in front of them . I am sure you forgot about that and I am sure your comments were a slip of the tongue and that you didn’t mean them .

  • 195 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    sparky

    the fact that Pardew apologised and Pellegrini appears to have accepted the apology to me means that Pellegrini has taken the circumstances into consideration, forget what Pelegrini said publically about the goal being off-side, he knows as we all do that the ref got it wrong, the chances are Pellegrini has been in Pardew’s position himself and realises that things get said in the heat of the moment, he has allowed for human nature and lets face it, kids watching or not, it is still a man’s game and when sitting in the stands you hear what Pardew said many times over the period of a match, if you want to protect your kids from that then don’t let them watch, but having a go at Pardew because he got upset due to himself being wronged is wrong in it’s self.

  • 196 Thump // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    @mattyNUFC: Oh yes, if somebody disagrees with you, or your opinion, then you’re fully entitled to call them a lover of red and white. That’s how it works these days.

    Also absolutely no swearing. At all.

  • 197 martoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Mattroge @128 – Finally got on buy tickets page (since 10 o’clock) none of the ‘buy’ buttons would work so I had to refresh the page and now I’m back in the queue – got to be the cr*pest website in the world.

  • 198 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    @Mr Matty

    I am speaking the truth when I say, it does nobody any harm to hear a bit of industrial language at any age in the right setting.

    At a passionate football match is one of those places. However, I don’t accept it when it’s used against officials.

    The two managers should be entitled to lose their tempers with one another providing it doesn’t get physical.

    What kind of Nancy’s are these supporters who are appalled by it?

    If you are one then you should not watch a passionate game like football.

    I simply close my French doors on my executive box so I suggest you buy one as well.

  • 199 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    At my level Matty! I probably have a higher education and hold a much higher position in my job than you do in relation. The fact that i choose to communicate like i do on a football blog is my choice and as the saying goes don’t judge a book by its cover.

  • 200 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    woflshead

    agendas at best? did you know the CIA killed JFK? explosions brought down the towers?

    no, wolfshead, these are called opinions, and people obviously are very strong in their beliefs on here. there’s not some huge nufcblog conspiracy, dude

  • 201 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    Shearer and the dutchess aka beatie@178
    For once sunshine I agree with your post sir
    On a more positive note sky sports are reporting that the de jong deal is all about done, so hopefully one through the door at least

  • 202 DokToon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    beattie,

    good to see you, @186 made me spit my coffee!

  • 203 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    Doktoon
    I believe you are from the US mate,Would I be correct in saying so

  • 204 Thump // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    This whole “but Pardew swore!!!” is one of the most ridiculous debates that I’ve ever seen on this site. There have been worse things said by the fans at a match in much closer proximity to children. It wouldn’t bother me as much if you could actually hear it. If your children can look at his mouth move and recognise that he’s saying “you f’ing old kernt” then your children already know those words and hearing it again will not affect them.

    I’m not condoning what Pardew did at all, but if he’s being bandied about as some kind of innocence destroyer (okay, I could probably think of a better way to word that) then some people really need to give their head a wobble.

  • 205 sparky55 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    just because pelligrini has been man enough to shrug it off in public (I very much doubt it’s true a reflection of his actual feelings) doesn’t mean pardews actions are excusable.

    You see managers swearing all the time on tv without necessarily hearing them but I must say I’ve never heard one manager calling another an effing old c@nt…that’s proper personal and IMO outside scope of the normal acceptable banter that goes on.

    ferguson couldn’t get through a sentence without swearing on the side line but can’t say I’ve ever seen him mouthing the c word…especially a foot away from the persons face he’s directing it at.

    A step too far in my book but completely understand everyone is different so not going to go on about this any more.

    very wrong in my book but respect everyones opinion

  • 206 mindshaft // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Not condoning Pards rant but Bernstein stood by and watched Fergie rant for years at every decision that went against Man Utd as well as most other prem league managers, Bernstein and the whole dinosaur F.A mob has done football no favours at all with the setup of the FA and its antiquated old school blazer mentality refusing to do anything but play lip service to modern life

  • 207 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    matty

    well you are wrong there rotonda actually admitted to having an agenda against pards one thing i can say about him he is honest

  • 208 Thump // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    @mindshaft: I was thinking the same thing when I read what he had to say.

  • 209 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    look, i could care less what anybody says. but this is a global brand. is that endearing? is sexism endearing? but to me this is right in line with alan pardew the man, anyhow.

    nufc-83

    im not judging a book by its cover. im judging by its words. and what’s next? You have a 15″ phallus as well? Your dad can beat my dad up? I’m not going to indulge you

  • 210 mindshaft // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    And Fergies favourite word was the c word, he uses it almost every minute of every game that wasnt going Manures way according to a Manure supporting mate of mine who has a season ticket within earshot of subs bench at OT

  • 211 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    jazzyp

    luuk or siem?

  • 212 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    Transfer @ 148 If you had been sitting behind pardew with your wife and 2 young daughters , would you have been happy at the volley of abuse your young family were witnessing ?

  • 213 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    2 good signings for Hull. Should keep them up.

  • 214 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    De Jong, Gomis/Ba, Cabella would be a good window for us. I can’t see us signing the 4 players we want.

  • 215 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    I just find it incredible how people can complain about Pardew’s language, it was said at a football match, we here much worse every other second when attending the matches, how many of these complaining about Pardew tell fans at the game to watch their language as kids are present and we have to lead by example, if bad language offends you then you shouldn’t be watching football.

  • 216 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    So beattie aka beatrice ;) is back and so is India!

    ..I am feeling a reunion here lol

  • 217 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Matty
    Luuk mate but I wish it was his older brother Siem

  • 218 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    Matty 16 inch is more accurate. Lets just drop it as you say and forgot the whole topic as it is actually boring and i would much rather discuss all of the ongoing transfer activity ;)

  • 219 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    mind

    saf was bad but he was a novive compared to peter reid ;-)

  • 220 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    jazzyp

    agreed. hope he proves me wrong. i can’t help but feel if you can’t cut it in germany, it’s not happening here

  • 221 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    novice*

  • 222 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    stuart at 212

    if you hadn’t heard if from Pardew who was in front of you then you could be assured that you would have heard it from some fans as it is part of watching football.

  • 223 Patoon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Can’t believe how much is being made out of this ffs, Pardew is a human being, we all lose control at times and he had every rite 2 lose his cool on sunday, he apologised afterwards so wots the big deal, wot Suarez done was far worse, or wot Terry said 2 Evra, don’t remember ex chairmen of the FA coming out and slabbering about Terry

  • 224 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    siem de jong or cabella?

    can’t really tell about cabella just from youtube videos, but my choice would be siem de jong

  • 225 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Hull will stay up because 3 of the follwing 5 will go down:

    Mackems, Palace, Whu, cardiff and fulham.

    I guessed palace, mackems and fulham at the start of he season, but mackems might escape and fulham, as bad as they are, may be rescued by cardiff and west ham.

  • 226 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Kets
    BA,Siem de jong and cabella would need an outlay of around £20 mill which is around what we shelled out last jan+Luuk on loan and that would be a cracking window for the toon fans

  • 227 Ancientcoptic // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    I don’t remember seeing any children on the touchline, and Pardew’s rant was so difficult to decipher, that even very powerful microphones did not pick it all up… he was partially lip-read.

    And we are to believe that children behind the entrance to the tunnel could hear all of this, with the booing etc??

    This is what you call a moot point.

  • 228 DokToon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    jazzy @203,

    i am sir, in texas to be exact…

  • 229 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Kets

    What about CB cover. I think we need one, we used all three at once v citeh.

  • 230 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    spoof

    I’ve said before here it’s not the swearing at pelligrini (although distasteful and wont help the situation) it’s the way you hear him shouting about the ref and linesman too and then players going up to them shouting.

    its respect for officials, yes they make mistakes but screaming at them does no good.

    The managers and players need to learn respect and the FA/refs need to do more to get a higher standard and more correct calls.

  • 231 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Matty
    I say go bring them in now,If these players have a cracking world cup then there valuation will go far beyond Nufc’s transfer structure

  • 232 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Thump – what a load of rubbish you have just spouted – just coz my wife has heard the word ncutt before somewhere it is ok then to say it anywhere in front of here , just coz she has heard it before ? I’ll just go home and call her a ncut then . It dosnt matter does it ? She’s heard it before oh and my 7 year old daughter , I’ll call her one too , as she has probably heard it at school , probably off your son . Have a chat with yourself bonny lad

  • 233 Mackems are from MORDOR! // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Sunderland tickets bought, happy as a happy persons happy bits!

  • 234 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    dok

    i would assume if pards was texan he would have said sir i believe you to an ageing vagina? :-)

  • 235 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    be*

  • 236 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Markaccus

    I wouldn’t rule Norwich out of the relegation battle and I would certainly not rule out WBA either, Albion like to sit back and hit teams on the break, their new manager has always played with a high line and tried to press teams as far up the pitch as possible, that’s chalk and cheese, such a drastic change in tactics could be very damaging, I really do feel that WBA will be in serious trouble.

  • 237 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Doktoon
    I read a funny article this morning in the guardian that penis pumps have more than doubled in the past 5 year in the US.And wondered if you had been one of the participants in the phenomena lol !!

  • 238 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    staurt

    comment about if i had kid and pardew was swearing. I honestly wouldn’t be worried, you know what you are going to get in that situation and you need to explain before hand that whatever you hear at the game you don’t repeat elsewhere or you face punishment.

    Just because kids hear something, words they will probably know already and know are bad, doesn’t mean they can repeat them.

    I’m more concerned with players/managers not respecting officials, not because of the impact on kids as i’d happily teach mine better, but as it is just poor conduct by somebody to show such little respect. Refs make mistakes not through bias just through error.

  • 239 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM

    Coptic

    I agree mostly. I think the point here is that it was wrong to react that way, but understandable too. There does need to be more.respect in the game, i dont think anyone can argue against that, but pardew has appologised and the people who are using it as an excuse to curse him to the depths of hell are just doing so because they do not like him. Had a more popular manager done it there wouldnt be as much moaning here.

  • 240 Markaccus // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    Spoof

    Possibly but i think they are the outsiders for the drop…i.e one of them could be the “team that gets pulled into it” but i think they will be o.k.

  • 241 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    mark

    true so let that be an end to it all

  • 242 Milner // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    Anyone seen this story on the Mirror’s website:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-hope-beat-chelsea-kurt-3014214

    Zouma (19 yr old CB) on the radar, Debuchy to PSG, Micah Richards to us if D’berg sold.

    I’m happy with all of that.

  • 243 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    ancient

    it’s not the end of the world by any means but it would be nice if all players and managers, not just pardew, showed each other more respect.

    too much shouting at officials, too much diving/going down softly to get people sent off, too many arguments between players/managers.

  • 244 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Congratulations to Sunderland ‘striker’ Dozy Altidore on winning the 2013 Could’ntHitABarn D’or.

  • 245 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Pardew launches an expletive barrage on Pellegrini, but he shrugs them off.

    After all who is Pardew to him and what of Newcastle.

    He deals with the best players on the planet, while Pardew contemplates starting or benching Ameobi for the next game.

    ROFL

  • 246 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    It’s got to be Toby Alderweireld them. It’s about time Willo dropped to the bench. He’s started to drop in form.

    Ba, De Jong, De Jong and Cabella would be a great window.

  • 247 shearer and the duchess // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Chaps. There seems to be some confusion. That Beattie seems a real spunk ball but I assure you that it is not me.

  • 248 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    hull are doing some good business today

  • 249 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    @247

    your obession seems to be spunk :-0

  • 250 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Beattie@247
    Sorry wrong chap old boy !!

  • 251 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    TS

    I accept what you say about more respect, but how and more importantly why should Pardew get hammered for it when Fergie amongst others have been doing it for a generation, and in fairness to all managers and not just Pardew, but is it right to expect the manager’s to be respectful to the officials when the poor standard’s of these officials could result in the manager’s losing their jobs, respect has got to be earned and it should and cannot be demanded, the question is, are the officials worthy of respect, I don’t see that as the standards are so poor, every week their are numerous rediculous decisions, how and why should managers respect them, they haven’t earned that respect.

  • 252 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    TS
    who have they gone in for mate

  • 253 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Spoof – yep I probably would have heard it from some fans behind me . However , f@@king ncut is part of our everyday language – but I never hear it when David cameron is doing his rants in

  • 254 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Sparky
    In all fairness you have absolutely zero idea what Pellegrini had said it done to provoke that reaction from Pardew at all

  • 255 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    jazzy

    jelevic and shane long….big signings for them, not the best players but more than enough to take them forward for now.

    spoof

    I agree they need to earn respect, but at the same time you should accept the decision at the time, acting like all managers, not just pardew, do is wrong. It is a high pressure situation and could ruin or make careers too.

    I’d like to say that refs will improve but i think they get worse over time. The FA need to be willing to listen and to make sure they try everything possible to make decisions easier.

    I think all refs are poor, even our ‘better’ ones. That to me shows there is a greater problem than bad refs. Rules too vague? poor training? not enough reviews between refs? etc etc there must be something.

  • 256 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    stuart
    Wow really? Of course you don’t hear David Cameron saying it, probably because he’s delivering a prepared speech

    My god the lengths some of you are going to with this is absolutely absurd
    I’d bet any one of you if we filmed you doing what ever the most stressful part of your job is i guarantee we’d see some colourful language
    Grow up

  • 257 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    tads

    i never understand people’s issue with swearing…the words themselves often mean very little, why do they cause such offense?

  • 258 wolfshead@toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    stuart

    i heard he turned the air blue when he was fielding awkward questions at the womens institute haha

  • 259 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    Carry on from my last comment —-
    I never hear David cameron say it while ranting on in parliament . I never hear the newsreader call somebody one or Gary liniker or Simon Crowell – you know why ? Their position tells them they can’t . They have a responsibility to behave and curb their language – so has Alan pardew

  • 260 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    I suspect that Pardew was viewed as not being deliberately offensive hence not charged with an offence by the FA. Contrast Rooney who was banned for two games for swearing directly down a camera lens knowing that his language would be heard by the TV audience.

    There is so much abusive language in football that the distinction is relevant.

    The referee was shocking on a number of levels and aside from the goal that wasn’t the biggest error arguably was in not sending Yanga off. Watching much of the second half saw him constantly trying to compensate for his obvious earlier error. This is in my eyes a further wake up call for Pardew. What a great guy Cheick Tiote is and a great advert for football. He shows vibrancy and is a far better captain than we’ve given him credit for with his mature statement of moving on.

  • 261 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    stuart

    the point I’m trying to make is that certain language has got to be accepted at football matches, if you can’t accept it then you shouldn’t watch it, when I was younger I would go out on a Friday night starting off in a working mans club, a few pints and a few games of pool where the language was choice, moving on the the Bigg market where ladies where present the choice language would stop ( well from me it would, but not from the ladies ? ) you behave according to your surroundings and football has never been a swear free enviroment, how mind times do we lip read a striker saying f–king hell when he has just missed a sitter, how was he to know the camera would pick that up, how was Pardew to know the camera’s would pick up his rant, but putting that aside, football has allows had foul language, so why should Pardew be the one to change it.

  • 262 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    ian

    that is true, it’s not like he said it in a post game interview where he knew it would definitely be picked up by the cameras. Good point.

    Still they should have a bit more composure and respect I feel but it isn’t that bad.

    You can never protect people and kids from hearing swearing, it goes on all over. The best bet is to just teach them they cant use those words.

  • 263 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Sage
    It’s ridiculous, these lads must either walk around with ear plugs in or lecturing people every 20ft they walk

    Stuart
    As i said, that is simply a ridiculous comment, your comparing the actions of a football manager concentrating on a game not looking for where the cameras are to people who stand INFRONT of cameras with prepared speeches or reading off an auto queue, and guess what, they still slip up and swear on live TV
    Not rating Pardew as a manager is understandable and one thing but berating him over something as petty as this is pathetic

  • 264 DokToon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    jazzy, WTF?

    wolfs…. being a gentleman requires me to not reply in american english what he wouldve said :)

  • 265 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    spoof

    i think it also needs to be noted the club does have a family section…where i presume these things like bad language are more respected/better policed by stewards.

  • 266 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    tads

    i’ve said many times swearing isn’t an issue for me, i won’t around kids or in most situations as i know a lot find it offensive and sometimes kids do parrot words so don’t want to make people’s job parenting any harder.

    my issue is lack of respect between players, managers and officials….less diving, less challenging the officials calls, and less little spats on the touchline and the game would be better

  • 267 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:21 PM

    Stuart – I understand your point and none of us are shocked by the use of bad language even with Pardew being abusive and ageist in the same rant.

    I can’t see David Cameron using bad language in the Commons but I suspect bruiser Balls is a potty mouth.- LOL.

  • 268 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    ian

    where did you speak to pardew? i feel like i’m missing out and wouldn’t mind a few words myself with him.

  • 269 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    Ian
    The referee is fully to blame for the tone set during the game
    The way he handled the players whilst making the decision was extremely poor
    He then let tempers run by dragging the decision out and not fully explaining the decision to our captain or manager or judging by Pardews comments the fourth official
    He then over compensated by booking players left right and centre for challenges that were barely fouls whilst continuing to get the simplest of decisions like throw ins wrong
    Then in the second half he went the complete opposite way and gave nothing to anyone possibly due to his performance in the first half

    He was awful, never stamped his authority on the game and allowed what was a very good game of football descend into a brawl

  • 270 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    Sage
    Agree it would be great if all those things were reduced/eliminated from the game but for me that rests solely on the pre historic institute of the increasingly inept FA not Alan Pardew!

  • 271 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    stuart

    that’s an unfair comparison, newsreaders, tv presenters and the likes of are not in a competitive situation where the actions of others can affect them, heat of the moment, we all know it happens, we are all probably guilty of responding to it, being a football manager does not make you an alien, you are still human and you still react like a human. By the way, newsreader have an autocue and poloticians have a pre-prepared speech, even in live debates poloticians have rehearsed answer’s to questions which they have been pre-selected for them.

  • 272 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    tads

    pardew is just part of the system/problem, by no means the cause or solution to it. it’s across the whole game.

    The FA need to do more, better officials, more help for them, better explanations of decisions, etc

  • 273 Blaydon-Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    TS I had to apologise to my 3 and half year old for calling a driver who cut me up a # anker and he repeated the word right after but I have morals and values but that one slipped out ! I still to this day would never swear Infront of my parents it’s a respect thing but in the heat of a footbAll match things like this get said every week

  • 274 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Transfer- Pardew does swear as a matter of course in general conversation. It’s just the way he is and usually to emphasise a football point. He’s not the most articulate and uses such language to get him out of trouble verbally.

    He’s a nicer character than Allardyce because he is a down to earth type who doesn’t profess to be something he isn’t . He is shown up when you compare him to most of the foreign managers.

    Your overriding point is a good one that there is a time and a place for bad language and showing respect to people from all walks of life is to be recommended.

    I am closing my mind on this and getting on with my day.

  • 275 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    blaydon

    i know what swear words are acceptable in front of my parents, some of the softer ones but i know where to draw the line.

    As you say if you have morals i’m sure you 3 year old will now know the word but know it is wrong and won’t repeat it. Kids hear these words at some point, it’s all about the parents explaining why they are bad and that they can’t use them like you have done.

    That’s been my point the whole time, none of this Pardew debate should affect kids, their parents should teach them better and punish them if they misbehave.

  • 276 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Blaydon
    I play football Monday nights and Friday nights
    Monday is a league and the language is colourful to say the least!

    Friday nights is the same people every week, it’s a mixture if mates and colleagues, the full 90 minutes is full on competitive, last week my manager went through the back of one of my work mates, and he got a barrage of foul language thrown at him! End if the game every one shakes hands, goes for a beer and it’s forgotten
    As you say in the heat of a match, or any competitive sport, you get tempers raised frustrations aired and yeah a bit of bad language

  • 277 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    ian

    well said on this…but swearing isn’t always a sign of poor vocabulary, as stephen fry points out by swearing he has a few extra words in his vocabulary than others haha.

    also i remember freddy ljungberg saying in sweden they have a wider use of words to emphasise emotion which english doesn’t have therefore he swore a lot when speaking in english

  • 278 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    Sage
    The FA needs a complete over haul, it’s so far behind other associations it’s untrue!
    Grass roots, coaching, officiating, the national team all are years behind most of Europe

  • 279 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Tads- I agree. He lost it and was in a highly stressed state for most of the post disallowed goal time.

    We’ve got a professional game though still with amateur officials. I would like to see referees and indeed managers to be held more accountable for their actions.

    It was great to see the crowd in such voice behind the team. We really played well after a shaky start. Had Remy been playing at anywhere near his early season form we would have won by the odd goal in my opinion.

    Forgetting Cardiff, because we had a weakened team, our form despite
    good results has been excellent and we just need a clinical ST and attacking midfielder to realistically think of a 6th placed finish.

    Ashley it’s over to you!

  • 280 catchy in norway // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    ok

    forget the language, its kind of part and parcel of the game, ( not that I think it is right, I don’t swear myself don’t see the need for it)

    what about the guys subs,

    he took the second best player off, for cisse, who needs goals made for him

    then left until the 84th before bring on a player who I think could change the game,

    giving him only 6 mins to do something,,

    goof should have been subbed first

  • 281 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    tads

    i actually think the national side is producing some good players, modern players

    rooney, wilshire, llana, barkley, oxlaide-chamberlain, there is progress but it is behind…more must be done to give us a much longer list than that.

  • 282 Ian Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    Transfer- the foreign managers get away with it by swearing in their mother tongue.

  • 283 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    tads

    that is what people are missing, its not necessarily what is said, but how it is said which matters, if we were sitting in a bar having a laugh and you called me a effing idiot, it would be a jovial comment with no harm to it, if however we were in a serious debate about “whatever” and you called me a effing idiot, then sorry but that is unaccepted, the context has got to be taken into account, and when it comes to football and heat of the moment you will always get foul language, if people don’t like it and can’t accept it then they should not watch the sport.

  • 284 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    ian

    it’s odd officials have been made full time professionals either this or last season and since they have standards have dropped…it’s odd.

  • 285 Nufc-83 // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    seems Andros Townsend has just ripped our u21′s apart.

  • 286 Blaydon-Toon // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    How many times in past have you seen Fergie going mental on the tsidelines using choice language happens week in week out and alwYs will at least Pardew apologised which takes a bigger man to say sorry and in the circumstances I can appreciate Pards frustration I was home – no boy about letting rip !

  • 287 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    moving on to proper football issues, Harry Redknapp said last week that Remy must be worth at least £15m and it is likely to go up rather than down, would anyone pay that for him, for me not a hope in hell, QPR paid £8m, for me that is all he is worth, Demba Ba is a class above Remy for me, don’t get me wrong, I like Remy and would love to see us sign him, but only at £8m max.

  • 288 mindshaft // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    Never heard David Cameron swear … wtf!!!
    I’ve never heard Pards swear in a TV interview or in fan forums or in the bar when I met him in London, it’s a bit different standing on the touchline in the heat of a game – apples and oranges mate

  • 289 Transfer Sage // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    spoof

    remy isn’t worth double figures as you rightly say, his all round game isn’t good enough for that kind of money

  • 290 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    ian

    pardew is down to earth and doesn’t profess to be something he’s not?

    I can’t agree with that.

    He professes to be a winner. He’s never won a thing. And, subjectively of course, he seems to have an incredibly massive ego

  • 291 Spoof // Jan 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    matty

    in your opinion does being a winner mean that you have had to have won silverware either domestically or in Europe, their are a lot of good managers who haven’t.

  • 292 lochinvar // Jan 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    If the f o c of a ref had not been swayed into one of the worst decisions known to football then perhaps the adrenaline and red mist might not of overwhellmed Mwbiwa when he made the tackle on Nasrii. Mwbiwa had tried to contact him but he has declined to respond. Perhaps it’s because Man City have yet to apologise to HBA for his broken leg and Wigan were excused for their thuggery and cheating last season ? The likes of Manure, Arsenal and Chelsea know how to win dirty – they are masters at it with their players fouling opposition when they break from their own half ( just not allowed ) and then throw their arms apologetically in the air as if to say ” wot me ref, sorry, please don’t give me a card ) – if the useless FA instructed refs to give yellow cards for cynical fouls from the first minute then so many games would be closer and fairer . Will they do anything about it, methinks not, vested interests and all that crud.

  • 293 Jeff from Benwell // Jan 15, 2014 at 6:27 AM

    Two Points about the City game
    1
    If you had been at the match, you would have noticed Nasri after the disallowed goal ,in the Toon players faces all the time mocking them about it .He was obviously trying to wind them up in an effort to get one of our players red-carded.Well little Sami your cynicism failed spectacularly – will you learn from this ? – I doubt it.
    2

    Pelligrini’s comments in todays press make it quite clear he doesn’t have a clue about Law 11 regarding offside , quite stunning for a manager of his standing.
    Alan Pardew got it bang on after all – he is a “stupid f***ing old c@nt”

    Pardew has no class – made me smile – do you think Fergy had class ?
    Mancini revealed in a recent interview on Italian tv that he instructed DeJong ” per faro un lavoro – to do a job” on Hatem ben Arfa , how classy is that.

    It’s Sky tv that has no class




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