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Newcastle Club And Players Must Set Sights Higher

10:11 am, Wednesday, January 15th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 130 Comments

Dutch international Vurnon Anita has been interviewed in the local press today, and says that the Manchester City players told him during their drug testing after the game, that it had been a tough game against Newcastle – a game which City eventually won by a score of 2-0 which was flattering to them .

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Vurnon Anita – has good game on Sunday

Here’s what Vurnon said to the press:

“They had a hard game.” “During doping, the City players told me it was a tough day for them.” “That’s a plus point for us.” “They are maybe the best team in the league.”

“There was Cheik’s goal, and we also had a couple of chances,” “We kept on playing and creating chances. We put them under pressure, but unfortunately we didn’t score, and at the end they broke on us and scored.”

“It was disappointing, but we’ll take the positives into the next game,”   “We must play to our strengths. We need to play like that against West Ham. If we do that, I think we can get a good result.”

Vurnon had a good game  on Sunday and seems to have  a starting position when Newcastle play in a 4-3-3 formation and he’s one of the middle three with Yohan Cabaye and Cheick Tiote.

And what’s that about a plus point – that we gave them a hard game?

But if we think back to the Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby Robson days, we wouldn’t have been happy at just giving a top team a hard game at St. James’ Park.

We’d have wanted to win the game – maybe even 5-0 against Manchester United as an example.

But maybe the regular words from Alan Pardew that we just cannot compete financially with the top teams in the Premier League is starting to rub off on the players.

But that will never rub off on the fans – and If only we had people running the club whose aim was to get us into the top four as soon as possible – and match the fans’ ambitions.

But there I go – dreaming again.

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130 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    TDS

    As the clubs are owned by abramovich and mansour they can’t just walk away, they could sell players and strip assets but they can’t just leave everything to rot as it’s their money wasted, would be no sense in doing so.

    The same could happen to us, ashley could sell everyone and run us into the ground, after all he has much less money invested in us than they have in city or chelsea….it just doesn’t happen.

    The only times it happens is when owners haven’t got much money, like pompey or rangers, and they finance everything with bank loans/other finance.

    On HBA – if he takes the wrong risk/more dangerous one its better to have more cover, which he would in the middle, also have more options for the pass which helps.

    we have not been creative in the last 4 games so now is the time to get him in.

  • 2 G // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Good choice of words from Vern there “During doping…”, I’m assuming he means doping tests there, otherwise I have a mental image of the FA forcing players to remain spaced out after games.

  • 3 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    TS

    I know what you mean, and I’m not stupid of course…

    But their owners could start demanding interest on the loans and/or perhaps sell the club with the debt still attached to it. And yes, if their circumstances changed somehow, they could want to get their money back asap.

  • 4 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    TS

    We played very well in our last game. I’d like to see HBA given a chance but actually I’d say it’s safer for him to lose the ball on the wing than in the centre.

  • 5 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    preformace against City means nothing if we can’t beat Hammers

  • 6 G // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    TS, I believe the investments made by Ibramovic and the Mansurs are both classed as ‘Interest Free Loans’ on their accounts. Presumably this means that both parties will at some point want their monies back. That would create interesting times for both sets of fans.

  • 7 catchy in norway // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Transfer Sage

    coaching badges are not needed in football, its a way for fifa to make some money,

    SAF SBR never had any courses, they learned how to do it on the pitch ,
    they employ people who know how to train, they set out what and how they want them to be trained and the trainers do the work,
    match day is where a manager earns his money,

    a good manager can make poor players look like world beaters by organising them into an efficient team, playing to strengths

    pardew on the other hand is a self proclaimed winner, ( or wiener) who believes his own hype about himself, has a great squad, just does not know how to use his players never mind get the best out of them

    and as you rightly say, fans sit and slag the players and say we need upgrades for them, but will not even look at upgrading the manager,

    fergy won the league last year by focusing his team to supply chances for RVP, individually , I don’t rate most of there players, but as a team they worked,,

  • 8 catchy in norway // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    ToonDarnSarf

    do you think that Ashley has not taken anything out of our club ?

  • 9 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    catchy

    Don’t get started…we know he’s taken £11M (I think) back from his interest free loan and that’s it as far as I know.

    I know people want to bang on about the SD adverts but that’s a different issue completely.

  • 10 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Catchy

    Interest free Loan?

    Sports Direct Plastered over SJP, benches, and over training Kits for free

    Where as Man Utd have DHL, AUDI and Turkish Airlines Paying money.

    It is not exactly a public good.

    Free naming of SJP as Sports Direct Arena while we were in Europa’s knock out stages. Ironical

    Club’s revenue has decreased.

    Yeah Interest free loan.

  • 11 catchy in norway // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    TDS

    I think he has taken much more than that out of the club,

    nothing todo with the ads he should pay for,

    I just don’t see how a club our size, with all the good players he has sold for very good money, did not make money

    I think clever accountancy comes into play,,

    by hook or crook he will get his money he wants for the club,

    this season he will get 60 more million, where will he hide that?
    transfers

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    TDS

    never meant to imply you were stupid if i did…apologies.

    I just think all clubs are open to a threat of debt, but no club has gone completely under, maybe dropped a division or two, but never gone bust and stopped operating all together, so i wouldn’t be too worried about it happening (not saying you are).

    G

    It may well be, i am not sure, i don’t know myself. Either way it has been fantastic for the 2 clubs and fantastic for the cities/areas as well.

  • 13 catchy in norway // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Himanshu Dhingra

    it all stinks,

    dodgy Wonga deal is covering something,

    fans like TDS believe what they hear before what the see with there own eyes

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    TDS

    I think we did ok against city but still didn’t create many chances, only one or two half chances i thought. We need to create more and i think benny is important for that.

  • 15 catchy in norway // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I agree

    the term chances is a very lose term, marv has a chance of playing every week but he don’t,

    is a shot on goal a chance ? a real chance

    for me working the keep from inside there box is a chance, shooting from distance is only speculating , and that’s what we do

  • 16 John Tudor // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    yeah ….;he ” loans” to a club he has no interest in

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    catchy

    yeh, i’ve always said there is a big difference.

    Spurs battered us when we won 1-0 this season but they only really had 3/4 good chances which should have been converted.

    Likewise we can have 15-20 shots a lot of the time but if they come from tiote shooting from 40 yards we’d need 200 to have a chance of scoring.

  • 18 70TWO // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    The sycophancy of winners! They would probably not be so fulsome as losers. We had a few good chances and would changing anything make any difference to our scoring?

    I agree with some that at least one of Remy, Gouffran, Sissoko look like they need a rest, but with the next round of FA cup games coming up next week they will have 10 days rest.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    catchy

    And fans like you just ‘believe’ rather than actually looking at facts.

    We haven’t sold that many players for starters! And we’ve bought quite a lot (spent £7M+ on agents’ fees last season) and we have a very high wage bill.

    You’re a fool if you think a billionaire like Ashley would risk his whole career for a few million from NUFC when our accounts and business dealings are highly scrutinised by the FA, other clubs and accounts-minded fans.

    Let me tell you from someone who knows about business and at least looked at the accounts overview; it all makes sense. You might like a conspiracy theory but that says more about you than anyone else.

    There are key issues with Ashley running the club that are real:
    1 – relationship between club and fans is poor
    2 – there should be openness about the academy status
    3 – I cannot see the justification for SD getting free advertising space. They are commercial partners but surely it would be better to give it to a charity

    For me, that’s enough to complain about and things that we should pressure the club to resolve. Yet fans like you keep making up ridiculous accusations that detract from the real issues.

  • 20 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Pardew doesn’t rotate the team enough. Remy is struggling because he needs a rest. He’s played in every game. Marveaux should be playing.

  • 21 JAMSHA // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    TIME LET COLO GO IN EXCHANGE OF ANGEL CORREA

  • 22 lesh // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Catchy, Fumanchu, for goodness sake give it a rest, take that record off the player, change it. Repeating your mantras will achieve nothing, people are bored to death hearing the same stuff over and over and over. Eyawwwwn!!

    You may or may not have some valid points but repeating them over and over again, ain’t gonna change or achieve anything.

  • 23 Slank // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    9ToonDarnSarf

    ‘…I know people want to bang on about the SD adverts but that’s a different issue completely…’

    I haven’t seen any postings about whether it is legal or in contravention of company and/or City rules and regulations that allows or prohibits a public listed company from making payments to an employee who uses his or her own property to advertise their employers name and especially for a director to authorise these payments to himself.

    I’m sure the pension funds that hold shares in SD would have something to say about potential dividends being diverted in this way.

  • 24 Himanshu Dhingra // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Leech

    Shut your Fuc**ng mouth.

    People like you are the reason why Ashley and Joe Kinnear are leeching money out of NUFC

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    TDS

    3 very good points the club should answer questions on…

    also the fact the club/fan liaison officer is head of PR, is pretty poor as well. UEFA say clubs must have a fan liaison officer so it’s come from them, not the clubs own idea…to give it to the guy responsible for PR is not good as it’d a conflict of interests in my view.

    But overall that comes under your point 1, his relationship with the fans, lack of respect for us.

    As for the accounts being fiddled, i personally haven’t seen a full detailed set (we only see summaries as fans) but even if i did i wouldn’t know myself.

    I presume as he is 100% owner he can do as he pleases, so if he pays all the required tax he would be well within his rights to move things/hide things from fans if he wanted? I again stress this isn’t my view, just asking if it’s possible.

  • 26 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    TS

    It depends what you mean by stopped operating. There’s a difference between the company going bust and the club’s licence to compete in the league rescinded.

    Wimbledon disappeared completely that’s for sure. MK Dons formed from the ashes and AFC Wimbledon is the fans’ club. I wonder why disillusioned fans don’t do what Wimbledon and Man Utd fans did and form Newcastle Mags or something similar…

  • 27 70TWO // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    I have a feeling we will see the return of Shola as I think Pardew will see a game against a relegation contender as an opportunity to use the squad. Especially a defensively combative side with two frail central defenders.

  • 28 lesh // Jan 15, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Transfer Sage…. Er Rangers?

  • 29 Slank // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    TS @ 25

    As a public figure Ashley will probably come under a lot of scrutiny by the financial authorities and the City and as such will be squeaky clean.

    But why would someone who is worth billions from his commercial activities want to fiddle a few million? The suggestion that he is is absurd.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    lesh

    have they stopped existing as a club? no, they have just dropped down 3 leagues, still have 40,000 fans going to watch them on a saturday and will rise back up.

    TDS

    with MK dons it was more they wanted to move the club, they could have stayed the same club in the same area if they had wanted to, either way they dealt with the administration, they didn’t need to do all that…it was a separate decision fueled by the owners

    As for forming another club…maybe fans don’e want to? maybe they want to just ride the storm out with ashley until they get the club back to an owner they are happy with. Why should fans of 40/50/60 years move because a guy has owned them for 6/7years.

  • 31 jayphoto // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Not that optimistic for west ham! We seem to struggle in games we should be winning this season and play well in games we ‘d expect to lose! Fat Sam seems to do well against us too!
    Think if you want ben arfa in the team (personally im not fussed) we need to play a rigid 4-4-1 and then have him as a free roaming player and let him just go wherever he wants to roam! Hes too ill-disciplined to hold a position but if we line up to accomodate that he might have some joy

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    slank

    i agree, i have said it wasn’t my opinion, just wondered if it was possible.

    It can happen though sometimes…it’s more a power thing that financial gains, i don’t think he is doing it though.

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Imagine living in a parallel universe.

    Ambani or that Russian guy who was a student in Newcastle, both proclaimed NUFC fans, was our owner.

    Johann Cruyff was our D.O.F

    Hiddinck was our manager.

    Top players were knocking down our door to play for us.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Now think of the polar opposite of that . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Yep, that’s where we are now.

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    jay

    thats the key…if you play him play to his strength not weakness. otherwise he might as well not play

  • 35 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Slank

    If you’re suggesting that MA is receiving direct payment from SD for advertising at SJP, then that would be disgraceful. I don’t see how that could be legal either as it would need to go through the SJP books.

    I know it sounds like semantics, but SJP is not MA’s property really. It’s owned by NUFC which in turn is owned by MA.

    And wouldn’t what you’re describing just be called a backhander? Sounds illegal to me…

  • 36 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Morning all, see the news of let’s wait till the final week has begun, Percy said something similar last week!! Abrahamavic and Mansoors have invested in there clubs but these aren’t loans, abrahamovic has said as has Bruce buck that he sees Chelsea as his hobby the money spent won’t be recouped

    Mansoors have invested heavily on infrastructure and are going a different way to Roman, they have also said that these aren’t loans, don’t forget they are owned by devout Muslims and don’t believe in interest loans as it is, they have however secured a £100m deal with Etihad for sponsorship etc, a company which Mansoors are main shareholders!! At least they paid for advertising and naming rights eh!!

    Would anyone think Ravel Morrison is worth a bid at £10m apparently has a clause in his contract and fulham tried signing him yesterday

  • 37 Rotonda heights // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    70TWO

    Do you mean West ham or us !!! scarily similar manager mind sets

  • 38 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    TS

    Wimbledon moved and rebranded because they were in administration and couldn’t survive any other way. It’s definitely not the same club these days.

  • 39 70TWO // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    ToonDarnSarf @ 19

    Could not agree more and working towards resolving the three points you make would generate a lot more good will around NUFC. IMO Ashley does not feel it is necessary to address these issues because of his own personality and his short term aims to sell the club. Would genuinely ask, was it immediately obvious how much money Hall & Shepard were personally receiving?

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    our toon

    seems a talent and they were all saying after his loan move he has settled down and west ham seeing benefits now

    the walk was 4/5 mil might get him too, worth a punt at that

  • 41 scitoon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Not sure Ravel is the kind of player we need. we have HBA if we need to see tricks. Plus there is Ravel’s his off field antics to contend with.

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Would one say that the closure of all the club shops benefit NUFC or tacky retail shops selling NUFC merchandise.

  • 43 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Rotonda

    The polar opposite? Really? 8th place in the PL and with a fairly youthful team with several looking forward to going to the World Cup? Yeah right…

    If we were languishing in League One like Leeds and Man City were at one point then you might be at least a tiny bit accurate, but you’re miles off.

    Besides, I 100% would not want what you described. If it happens, so be it, but I do now want a fantasy football owner.

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    TDS

    they didn’t have to do that to survive though, that was a choice…they were in administration but could have stayed in wimbledon, they chose to move, not forced.

    The owners wanted to set up a club in MK as it didn’t have a major one.

  • 45 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    I meant “DO NOT WANT”

  • 46 scitoon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    Regardless, can we buy our shirts in the public domain: yes. What is the problem here? Money goes to MA whichever way you look at it.

  • 47 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Remy was more successful coming from wide, I would drop both Gouffran (needs rest) and Sissoko (doesnt give us anything going forward) and play Cisse upfront (2 goals in 3 games & will be only striker we own at club next season) Remy out wide left and HBA wide right

    TDS

    If Harry Redknapp can put money into accounts under his dogs names then anything is possible!! SD is very profitable surely free advertising is benefitting the company and the shareholders that take a cut of that profit!!

  • 48 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    TS

    The full accounts are available for you and I to view whenever we please. They’re all online.

    And no, it isn’t easy to hide things in the accounts. Fans on this blog who work in that field have commented on that exact issue too. He cannot do what he wants.

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    70TWO

    I don’t think Ashley wants to sell the club. I think he can see that the club is growing and has quite a bit of room for improvement under his business model. It will grow without him having to do to much to be honest, so there’s no point in selling now.

    I just wish that fans could focus on those 3 issues to resolve, rather than making all sorts of insinuations.

    Yes. It was totally visible what the directors take out of the club, as was it visible the amount of interest paid by the club for loans provided by the directors.

  • 50 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    TS

    No they couldn’t. They were in administration because they couldn’t afford to pay their bills. It was either that or simply fold.

  • 51 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Ravel Morrison had off field issue early in his career but has settled down (otherwise Roy wouldn’t have called him up to England Squad) also he is nothing like HBA, he’s a central midfielder who is technically very good, works hard in both directions!!

  • 52 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    Our Toon

    Except Redknapp was found innocent…

    And I think a manager taking a sneaky bung for a transfer is a lot easier than a publicly listed company making payments to its major shareholder in return for highly visible (seemingly free) advertising at a company with a global presence and strict regulation…

  • 53 Slank // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    TDS @ 35

    I agree with you that it may be illegal or against financial rules and regulations of the City for a director of a public listed company to authorise payments to essentially himself to use his own private property for personal gain.

    The fact that I have never read about it happening suggests that it is illegal.

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    TDS

    i’m sorry but that’s just not true. They had other options available, they chose to move to MK.

    I’m not arguing it further, i remember it at the time, i remember discussing it with friends and media reports. Let’s just agree to disagree on this, pointless us going on and on.

    As with hiding money there are all sorts of companies that do this type of thing all the time, there are always ways to do it and people get away for many years.

    I’m not saying ashley is doing it though, but it happens all the time.

    Also where is the link for the full accounts? i’ve never seen it, i believe you, just not seen it.

  • 55 scitoon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    HBA could also be considered a technically gifted central midfielder. Ravel may well have settled down but a leopard never changes it’s spots. In the goldfish bowl he will be scrutinized. Why risk adding that kind of behaviour to the team. Ive had enough of reading about these kind of players being associated with the Toon…Ranger/Barton/Bowyer/Woodgate…

  • 56 70TWO // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    ToonDarnSarf

    It grates me to hear people say ‘Ashley out’ and use insulting language as some kind of justification. However the lack of professionalism towards their customers makes it difficult to generate any constructive dialogue between fans and NUFC.

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    TS

    Either way. That is a league club that no longer exists.

    Accounts are here: http://www.nufcblog.org/nufc-accounts-2011-12.pdf

    Enjoy if you dare…

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Wimbledon_F.C._to_Milton_Keynes#The_new_town_of_Milton_Keynes

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    TDS

    they were non league at the time, only enjoyed 20/30 years in the football league in their history…much different to a newcastle, man city, etc

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    TDS

    thanks…i wont read them, don’t know enough about accounts, just never had seen them

  • 61 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Scitoon

    Ravel Morrison, Wiltshire and Ross Barkley will be the future of England’s midfield, we’ve all done daft things when younger….pretty sure we’ve all matured!!

  • 62 wolfshead@toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    yes ed you are dreaming t at least you know you are unlike some on here but i have a diagram for them to look at as help aid
    http://anatheistviewpoint.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/screen-shot-2012-04-28-at-19-21-50.png

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    our toon

    don’t forget llana in that too

  • 64 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    70TWO

    You’re dead right. There are constant issues of bad customer service from the club that really frustrate me. But then there is some disgraceful behaviour from a minority of fans too.

    It needs to be improved. It would help if the club appointed someone who can be a good go-between.

  • 65 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    TDS

    Yeah Redknapp was found not guilty, unsure how but don’t know the full ins and outs of it!! What do you make of Etihad paying well over the odds £100m for advertising at Man City? Both owned by Mansoors

  • 66 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    TDS

    You’re right there, they need somebody the fans can trust at the club, maybe they work together to put a few names forward and fan groups are allowed a vote on it…could work.

    The club also need to realise that the minority should not effect how the majority are effected.

  • 67 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    TS

    They were most certainly not non-league at the time. There were in the Championship.

  • 68 cyprus // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    What kind of drugs did they test? And what did they think of them?

  • 69 scitoon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Championship is non league…lol.

  • 70 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    I follow the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/newcastleunited

    Funny how few anti-Ashley posts there are on there…

  • 71 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Actually, just checked. They were in-between the Championship and League One having been relegated the season before and forming as MK Dons in League One the next season.

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    tds

    my apologies, got something wrong there haha

    not sure what i was on about with that, totally wrong

  • 73 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    You are right I did forget Lallana, think he’s around 24/25 though where’s as the others are 20/21 still looks promising for the future!!

    Morrison & Ince would be 2 that I’d target now!!

  • 74 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    Our Toon

    Seems very dodgy! Seems a very good way of protecting them from FFP too…

    But it obviously just sneaks in with the rules…not that I like it.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    TDS

    do you not think man city is a good idea?

    i think without them spending big how are they ever meant to catch the current big clubs like man utd (although they are having a bad season).

    It’s like any business, you might invest very very heavily up front to get to a high level, then cut down on investment and start to spend within means/make profit.

    it’s a very successful business model for a lot of companies.

    Man utd just benefited by being the big club in england when all the money came into the game, if it was a different era we would have villa, liverpool, etc as the top side

  • 76 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    TS

    But the gobby minority are the ones who often have the interaction with the club. The majority of NUFC fans are relatively pleased with the way this season is going, but they don’t get the headlines. It’s the few hundred marching for Time4Change or the Twitter rant from Ciaran that are seen by the public.

    It’s always the most passionate who have the time and inclination to do things like that, and frankly what is there to be passionate about at the club at the moment? the exact same people would have been going crazy about CL football after we finished 5th as their passions boiled over in expectation of another era like under KK and SBR…but it didn’t happen…

    We can be passionate about supporting our club on match day and we can be a passionate NUFC supporter, but out of both cups (again), probably going to finish where I think we should do anyway (8th) and with no really exciting signings last summer or this window (yet).

    I can see why fans get overly negative in their passions, but I don’t think that helps the club or other fans one bit.

  • 77 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Platini and FFP rules count for nothing!! Look at Monaco about the size of QPR spending daft amounts like £300k on falcao salary!! Then you have man city who will hide behind Mansoors endless list of companies, same with the wealthy owners of PSG

    Real Madrid using capital raised by there banking institutes, just too much to control, FFP won’t work

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    TS

    No. I don’t like these clubs being artificially inflated. I’d rather have a better way to distribute the wealth more evenly and give more teams a chance based on good ownership, good management and development of youth players.

    All it means now is that there are 3 mega-rich clubs (only one of which is truly a massive club historically), 2 more massive clubs historically who are also very wealthy and then Spurs who have done very well to be where they are. Then there’s us, Everton and then the rest.

  • 79 martoon // Jan 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Our Toon & TDSarf – As you say FFP will never work because there are always going to be clever accountancy tricks to get around it. I truely believe that the only way to level things is some kind of cap on transfers per season. I don’t exactly know how it would work but it seems to me if you capped the maximum amount of transfers (both in and out) then it would prevent clubs like City & Chelsea at the beginning buying practically a new team.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    TDS

    true, you could split tv revenue evenly but then that still is small change compared to the hundreds of millions of pound man utd make from commercial ventures, nobody can compete with that.

    I like what man city are doing, more so than chelsea (at least man city are doing a lot in the academies and the local area, which is great too).

    People wanted football to be big business, they wanted them to make money and be domianting tv world wide as well as selling out…so surely people can’t complain now.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    martoon

    thats the way, can’t ever make money the same but could have a cap on a squads wage and a cap on transfer fees.

    it’s how other sports try to keep a level playing field so i’m sure it is legal for these caps.

  • 82 Rotonda heights // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    TDS

    We should just let your rattle on in your own excrement.

    If you really think 100% of fans would not prefer Johan Cruyff to JFK as D.O.F or Hiddinck to Pardew as manager or Ambani to Ashley as owner then the expression ” s- – - for brains ” comes to mind.

  • 83 Belfast // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    The ffp rules were never going to work. It was pipe dream from Platini to stop the english clubs dominating in the champions league. Then his club Psg started to splash the cash and he’s said ferk all since.

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    belfast

    there are so many ways to get around it too

    and all it did was allow the top clubs to keep spending and nobody to challenge them….makes sense as those top clubs and big names are what make UEFA there money

  • 85 Belfast // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    If they really wanted to stop clubs spending silly money, they should stop selling the tv rights and make them free for everybody to watch. You’d stop a lot of the stupid spending then in my opinion.

  • 86 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Lads Southampton chairman has handed in his written resignation and Pochettino has said he will resign if the chairman goes, worth a punt? Lol

    Martoon

    Excellent idea, let’s use us as an example though, if the cap is 5 new first team signing and 5 sales what if we make our 5 signings and arsenal bid for Cabaye, player is unhappy and forces the move we as a club would be punished as we can’t make anymore signings due to the cap…..how would you get around that?

  • 87 mag // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    The team could do much better under a top quality coach instead of labouring under Pardews lower league coaching.

  • 88 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    gmorning all ,

    to me, a good model would be MLB… in baseball, you have whats called a luxury tax… there is a cap, lets say 150m… if you overspend that number, you pay a tax to the league which may or my not be distributed to the other teams equally… so, if you spend 200m, the other 29 teams, share the tax on 50m…

  • 89 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Belfast

    By stopping such things we wouldn’t see anywhere near as much talent around the world as facilities would be poor with inadequate facilities etc ppl will even lose jobs, normally the one at the bottom of the food chain, football is not a sport anymore, it’s a business which is all about entertainment, the reason why PL gets most money is due to the strength of the league but it’s not the best league probably 3rd best!! Money and football go hand in hand

  • 90 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    Our Toon – Exactly what I was just about to write! Wonder if he’ll stick to his guns and walk? Could be the start of the end for the Saints! How about they take Pardew (Southampton fans seem to love the bloke) and we take Pochetino? :D

  • 91 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Doktoon

    The problem with such taxes is that teams that will get relegated will most certainly become the dominant force in the championship which will result in direct promotion again!! I think it might be better served taxing these clubs but putting the money aside for lower league clubs that get into jeopardy or even to make it slightly more competitive for them and ensuring sustainability

  • 92 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Oh, while I’m on, would anyone be interested in a Gateshead home shirt from last season? Got them in all sizes

  • 93 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    Rob Lee 7

    Great minds think alike :) I would happy drive pards there to make that kind of switch, if Pochettino leaves they will be in tatters!! I think he will stay, maybe get a nice brown envelope to convince him!!

  • 94 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    ourtoon,

    then you divide the monies accrued between the 17 teams that stayed up, and the three relegated, will not recieve any at all…

    next, how i plan to restore world peace :)

  • 95 Belfast // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    I said that at the very start transfer sage, Those rules would just make the gap between the top clubs and the other clubs even bigger than before.

    They can just sign huge sponsorship deals to get round it.

    Platini was basically jealous of the english clubs at the time in my opinion. Now Psg and Monaco are doing the exact same thing he’s went very quiet on the matter lol

  • 96 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    our toon – haha, I have to be honest and say that although I see Pardew’s faults, I can’t help but fee l he is starting to learn from his mistakes. Eg, this season he seems to have dropped the ‘favouritism’ thing, such as dropping Cisse, actually getting rid of Jonas who is no doubt all time favourite player and at the end of the day I know we have loads of French guys but we actually have a half decent English manager, which is pretty rare for one reason or another. Honestly, I was speaking to a Southampton fan the other day who bought a Saints shirt off me site and as soon as I said something negative about pardew (can’t remember what I said…something about being defensive or negative when we go 1-0 up I think), he properly went off on one about how he’s a great guy, great manager and all this! I would never describe him as ‘great’ mind, but we could definitely do a hell of a lot worse. With Pochettino, really don’t get how he manages when he doesn’t speak English, mental and he’s been here a year or so?!

  • 97 jayphoto // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    I’d take Ambani and Cryuff in a heartbeat! Be different if we still had a keegan or robson in charge , someone with passion for the club and the city but we don’t!
    Fact is Ashley doesn’t want to own nufc! But he doesn’t want to write off 250m either! Think he’s happy to pay out as little as possible, keep the club in the black and sit in midtable till someone steps in and pays what he wants for the club!
    Everything that happens at NUFC now is for economical reasons, theres zero passion, zero ambition ! Zero respect to the fans and area! Im not an accountant therefor i can’t get excited by positive accounts records, but MA is sucking the life out of newcastle! Its evident by the declining atmosphere at games and by the lack of buzz in the city! I can’t imagine an owner worse! I know people will say the blackburn/cardiff owners who have made some mental mistakes… But at least they have ambition to be higher and to win something! Our infrastructure lacks this

  • 98 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Doktoon

    I think it’s a good idea but the big issue is that teams in the PL will just become to strong the divide all we are doing is ensuring PL teams get further away from the rest, do you not think giving that money to teams in lower leagues would work better?

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    belfat

    it’s no longer a problem for just chelsea, there are clubs popping up all around europe with middle eastern or russian owners now, they can’t ban them all from the champions league.

    I’ve always said UEFA won’t do anything as imagine explaining to their sponsors that real madrid and barca won’t be playing in next years comp….their money would soon dry up and they’d go crawling back.

  • 100 jayphoto // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    At roblee7 – pochettino speaks perfect english! Ive witnessed it first hand! Just refuses to speak it to the media as he distrusts the english press and doesn’t feel comfortable conversing with them in whats actually his 3rd language after spanish and italian as they jump on things and twist things

  • 101 mag // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    Ashley shows by the two foul mouthed failures he has running his club that he isn’t bothered what the fans think, last season proved beyond doubt that Pardew should have gone and Kinnear should never have returned.

  • 102 Markaccus // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    T sage

    Belfat? Thats a bit harsh isn’t it? :D

  • 103 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    our toon,

    in order to have the lower teams, (championship etc), is to implement revenue sharing. imn MLB, all tv rights are equally distibutes to all teams, which creates a more level field when it comes to signing new players… maybe you pool all the adverstising monies and share those with ALL clubs…

  • 104 Markaccus // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Jay

    Shows he is a clever man. He knows our media are a bunch of horrible treacherous ba$tards

  • 105 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    RobLee

    Percy’s has new favourites though, I think Gutierriez ripping into Percy’s training methods for last season sealed his fate and ensured he wouldn’t play again, the style of player remains the same, workhorses like Sissoko and Gouffran are preferred ahead of technically gifted/chance creators such as HBA and Marv!! Also Anita should really be finishing games!! Even Mike Bassett could get this lot where they are now because the squad is just that talented!! Percy makes us defend and we aren’t even good at defending, I’d drive him down in an instant

    I remember Lallana talking about the manager and he said he speaks English in training to all players but sometimes he speaks in 2 other languages (can’t remember them) as he feels more comfortable doing so to certain lads I.e osvaldo!! He isn’t comfortable in front of the press speaking in English so prefers a translator who is also with him at training just in case!! Thought that was really interesting!!

  • 106 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Pochettino for me was a huge gamble that luckily worked out (Nigel Adkins was doing a great job there also if I remember rightly?) If he walks will be interesting to see if any of the players follow. With Pochettino, i know he looks to have worked wonders, but I get the impression a lot of fans would just take anyone young from abroad to be our manager, which obviously doesn’t always work, Pochettino for me is a bit of a ‘one-off’. Other young-ish foreign managers who done great in this country…Christian Gross, Di Canio, AVB, di Matteo, Santini (that Spurs chap), Ramos (another Spurs chap), even Ruud Gullit! What I am saying is we could well end up with egg on our face if we ever get rid of Pardew. I know it ain’t gunna happen, but think fans should think of the bigger picture before raving on about young, progressive managers who they would prefer. At the end of the day if Pardew left, we’d probably get stuck with Kinnear anyway so I would advise all fans to think VERY carefully about what they wish for :D

  • 107 Markaccus // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Dok

    Sky would be delighted to show hull v palace and games like that on a weekly basis :D

  • 108 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Sorry my mistake, I never knew he spoke English. I like that alot though, a touch of genius and ‘two fingers up’ to the press, genius bloke :)

  • 109 Markaccus // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    This weeks super sunday tripple header…
    Wba v stoke
    Palace v hull
    And we finnish it off with the massive clash at upton park…
    Whu v cardif.

    YEAH!

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    roblee

    it all comes down to research and proper interviews then surely.

    we don’t buy players now without a thorough scouting of them, so surely the same could be done with a manager?

    scout for the best one and then give a good interview process to make sure they are right for the job and can work withing the parameters set by the club.

  • 111 wolfshead@toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    what you dont know is potts interpreter makes it up as he goes along bit like the sign language bloke at mandelas memorial :-)

  • 112 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Can such clauses be put into place for the PL? Transfer cap that is? I’m pretty sure the freedom of movement act would be broken if a player wanted to join a certain club and they wanted him but weren’t allowed to move because of a transfer cap!! Just a a thought, how legal is it?

  • 113 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:49 PM

    mark,

    its a sight better than having to watch MLS or mexican soccer :)

  • 114 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    AC Milan have given the managers job to Clarence Seedorf, thought it might be worth a mention, I’d go for De Boer at Ajax, says he wants to see this season out as he wouldn’t leave mid season

  • 115 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    i pause from this nice discussion to point out, that its nice to be able to talk without the usual trolls chanting the same old crap…. refreshing really :)

    i feel like in in ed harrisons newcastle blog VIP lounge lol…

  • 116 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    transfer sage….you would likt to think so! You just never know with these jokers though. I don’t think MA properly thought it through when he got Keegan back, for example.

    wolfshead….haha. I was saying that to my lass the other day, do you think the interpreter ever leaves his side? So if he is in the house or something, he shouts to his missus in Spanish, then his translator comes in….’We are out of bog roll!’…in standard english?

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    our toon

    i’m sure it could pose a problem if there was a limit on signings, but not a limit on value.

    suppose you could always put a rule in place which says you can buy or sell as many as you like (therefore not breaking any employment law) but you can only register a certain limit for the team to play.

    therefore you could buy up talent and employ everyone, but only certain amounts would be eligible to play

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    dok

    would you like a drink on the house sir haha :-)

  • 119 jayphoto // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Not saying pardew should be sacked, he shouldn’t, hes done ok overall ! Think we should be grooming our next manager though! An ex player with good ideas who we can get working with the youth teams and reserves and putting in an infrastructure for when pardew goes! Similar to what barca have done with guardiola and spurs with sherwood! A Nobby Solano perhaps or a Nikos Dabizas!

  • 120 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    I think Belfast said earlier that they should stop selling TV rights, if that was ever done then we can kiss bye bye to watching the Aguero’s and Suarez’s of the world, they stay in there native country’s and we will we be stuck watching Carlton Cole and Shola type of players weekly on TV with hoofball played by most clubs!!

  • 121 DokToon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    wolfs,

    if the tall leggy blonde’s last name is house, absolutely!!

  • 122 wolfshead@toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    roblee

    haha he probably translates it as juan sheet is plenty ;-)

  • 123 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    hahahahhaa….Pochettino in Subway…..’nachos nachos nachos si sis is is si scorchio jalapeno nacho si si si chipotle scenorita’

    Translator: “One six inch sub.Nacho’s. Salad. More nacho’s’…”And Hot Jalapenos on Top, with Chipotle good Sir”

  • 124 Jail for Ashley // Jan 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Jayphoto is one of our most informative and well balanced posters yet has just summed up Mashleys regime in a nutshell !

  • 125 roblee7 // Jan 15, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    jayphoto…or Ketsbabia?

  • 126 Our Toon // Jan 15, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Knowing our luck Jay Willie Donchie is probably being groomed for the role, or Carver and Stone lol

    TS

    Much better way of working it mate, a transfer cap value would be better and would also bring down the ridiculous transfer fees….especially the fees paid for British players!

    Can someone please answer this question:
    Why are English players so over priced? Italian players aren’t over priced in Italian leagues and French aren’t in French leagues as German players aren’t in German leagues!!

  • 127 jayphoto // Jan 15, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    Because an english player with technical skills is rare! If you go to ligue 1 theres 2 ben arfas virtually in every team!
    Same in germany holland and spain all the players have high technical skills so they don’t stand out ! Remember martinez saying if wilshire was spanish he wouldn’t be nearly as highly valued

  • 128 mattyNUFC // Jan 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    I really don’t think there was too much difference between Adkins and Pochettino. Both solid managers. If anything, Adkins was a bit more stubborn on his line-ups and refused to drop Ramirez

  • 129 lesh // Jan 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    Himnahu… @24

    Your asterisked language just illustrates the intellectual limitations you have.

    Think about it, it’s not the likes of me and the other unidentified posters you refer to that enable Ashley to run his company as he sees fit.

    Yes there are a helluva lot of emotional stakeholders to whom Newcastle United means so much. Such stakeholders include me who was born in the City and lived Newcastle for over fifty years, supporting the club for some forty of the fifty I was there, like many who support this blog from a distance.

    I and others do not fully support the way that Ashley runs the company that he owns outright but we have no choice but to accept the fact whining on and repeating the same and unfounded mantras of taking money from the club etc, will achieve absolutely nothing, zilch, diddly squat!

    May I respectfully suggest that unless and until you are able to produce irrefutable evidence of maladministration, you think about ways of persuading Ashley he should change his approach to managing his investment.

    Were you a season ticket holder, you would have the prerogative of giving it up, in fact you could demonstrate your disaffection by not attending games!

  • 130 ONLINE GUY // Jan 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Catchy in Norway your comment at *7

    Sir Bobby and sir A*ex ughhh ..horrible man …did do FA courses ..Sir Bob was on FA coaching courses same time as Jack Charlton. Jack was still playing for Leeds at the time

    In fact most of the best managers you will know of did do FA coaching courses..check it out .

    I tell you this as part of your education ..now you know.




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