Newcastle Club And Players Must Set Sights Higher


Dutch international Vurnon Anita has been interviewed in the local press today, and says that the Manchester City players told him during their drug testing after the game, that it had been a tough game against Newcastle – a game which City eventually won by a score of 2-0 which was flattering to them .

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Vurnon Anita – has good game on Sunday

Here’s what Vurnon said to the press:

“They had a hard game.” “During doping, the City players told me it was a tough day for them.” “That’s a plus point for us.” “They are maybe the best team in the league.”

“There was Cheik’s goal, and we also had a couple of chances,” “We kept on playing and creating chances. We put them under pressure, but unfortunately we didn’t score, and at the end they broke on us and scored.”

“It was disappointing, but we’ll take the positives into the next game,”   “We must play to our strengths. We need to play like that against West Ham. If we do that, I think we can get a good result.”

Vurnon had a good game  on Sunday and seems to have  a starting position when Newcastle play in a 4-3-3 formation and he’s one of the middle three with Yohan Cabaye and Cheick Tiote.

And what’s that about a plus point – that we gave them a hard game?

But if we think back to the Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby Robson days, we wouldn’t have been happy at just giving a top team a hard game at St. James’ Park.

We’d have wanted to win the game – maybe even 5-0 against Manchester United as an example.

But maybe the regular words from Alan Pardew that we just cannot compete financially with the top teams in the Premier League is starting to rub off on the players.

But that will never rub off on the fans – and If only we had people running the club whose aim was to get us into the top four as soon as possible – and match the fans’ ambitions.

But there I go – dreaming again.

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130 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #1

    TDS

    As the clubs are owned by abramovich and mansour they can’t just walk away, they could sell players and strip assets but they can’t just leave everything to rot as it’s their money wasted, would be no sense in doing so.

    The same could happen to us, ashley could sell everyone and run us into the ground, after all he has much less money invested in us than they have in city or chelsea….it just doesn’t happen.

    The only times it happens is when owners haven’t got much money, like pompey or rangers, and they finance everything with bank loans/other finance.

    On HBA – if he takes the wrong risk/more dangerous one its better to have more cover, which he would in the middle, also have more options for the pass which helps.

    we have not been creative in the last 4 games so now is the time to get him in.

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  • G

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #2

    Good choice of words from Vern there “During doping…”, I’m assuming he means doping tests there, otherwise I have a mental image of the FA forcing players to remain spaced out after games.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #3

    TS

    I know what you mean, and I’m not stupid of course…

    But their owners could start demanding interest on the loans and/or perhaps sell the club with the debt still attached to it. And yes, if their circumstances changed somehow, they could want to get their money back asap.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #4

    TS

    We played very well in our last game. I’d like to see HBA given a chance but actually I’d say it’s safer for him to lose the ball on the wing than in the centre.

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #5

    preformace against City means nothing if we can’t beat Hammers

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  • G

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #6

    TS, I believe the investments made by Ibramovic and the Mansurs are both classed as ‘Interest Free Loans’ on their accounts. Presumably this means that both parties will at some point want their monies back. That would create interesting times for both sets of fans.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #7

    Transfer Sage

    coaching badges are not needed in football, its a way for fifa to make some money,

    SAF SBR never had any courses, they learned how to do it on the pitch ,
    they employ people who know how to train, they set out what and how they want them to be trained and the trainers do the work,
    match day is where a manager earns his money,

    a good manager can make poor players look like world beaters by organising them into an efficient team, playing to strengths

    pardew on the other hand is a self proclaimed winner, ( or wiener) who believes his own hype about himself, has a great squad, just does not know how to use his players never mind get the best out of them

    and as you rightly say, fans sit and slag the players and say we need upgrades for them, but will not even look at upgrading the manager,

    fergy won the league last year by focusing his team to supply chances for RVP, individually , I don’t rate most of there players, but as a team they worked,,

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #8

    ToonDarnSarf

    do you think that Ashley has not taken anything out of our club ?

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #9

    catchy

    Don’t get started…we know he’s taken £11M (I think) back from his interest free loan and that’s it as far as I know.

    I know people want to bang on about the SD adverts but that’s a different issue completely.

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #10

    Catchy

    Interest free Loan?

    Sports Direct Plastered over SJP, benches, and over training Kits for free

    Where as Man Utd have DHL, AUDI and Turkish Airlines Paying money.

    It is not exactly a public good.

    Free naming of SJP as Sports Direct Arena while we were in Europa’s knock out stages. Ironical

    Club’s revenue has decreased.

    Yeah Interest free loan.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #11

    TDS

    I think he has taken much more than that out of the club,

    nothing todo with the ads he should pay for,

    I just don’t see how a club our size, with all the good players he has sold for very good money, did not make money

    I think clever accountancy comes into play,,

    by hook or crook he will get his money he wants for the club,

    this season he will get 60 more million, where will he hide that?
    transfers

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #12

    TDS

    never meant to imply you were stupid if i did…apologies.

    I just think all clubs are open to a threat of debt, but no club has gone completely under, maybe dropped a division or two, but never gone bust and stopped operating all together, so i wouldn’t be too worried about it happening (not saying you are).

    G

    It may well be, i am not sure, i don’t know myself. Either way it has been fantastic for the 2 clubs and fantastic for the cities/areas as well.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #13

    Himanshu Dhingra

    it all stinks,

    dodgy Wonga deal is covering something,

    fans like TDS believe what they hear before what the see with there own eyes

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #14

    TDS

    I think we did ok against city but still didn’t create many chances, only one or two half chances i thought. We need to create more and i think benny is important for that.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #15

    Transfer Sage

    I agree

    the term chances is a very lose term, marv has a chance of playing every week but he don’t,

    is a shot on goal a chance ? a real chance

    for me working the keep from inside there box is a chance, shooting from distance is only speculating , and that’s what we do

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  • John Tudor

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #16

    yeah ….;he ” loans” to a club he has no interest in

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #17

    catchy

    yeh, i’ve always said there is a big difference.

    Spurs battered us when we won 1-0 this season but they only really had 3/4 good chances which should have been converted.

    Likewise we can have 15-20 shots a lot of the time but if they come from tiote shooting from 40 yards we’d need 200 to have a chance of scoring.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #18

    The sycophancy of winners! They would probably not be so fulsome as losers. We had a few good chances and would changing anything make any difference to our scoring?

    I agree with some that at least one of Remy, Gouffran, Sissoko look like they need a rest, but with the next round of FA cup games coming up next week they will have 10 days rest.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #19

    catchy

    And fans like you just ‘believe’ rather than actually looking at facts.

    We haven’t sold that many players for starters! And we’ve bought quite a lot (spent £7M+ on agents’ fees last season) and we have a very high wage bill.

    You’re a fool if you think a billionaire like Ashley would risk his whole career for a few million from NUFC when our accounts and business dealings are highly scrutinised by the FA, other clubs and accounts-minded fans.

    Let me tell you from someone who knows about business and at least looked at the accounts overview; it all makes sense. You might like a conspiracy theory but that says more about you than anyone else.

    There are key issues with Ashley running the club that are real:
    1 – relationship between club and fans is poor
    2 – there should be openness about the academy status
    3 – I cannot see the justification for SD getting free advertising space. They are commercial partners but surely it would be better to give it to a charity

    For me, that’s enough to complain about and things that we should pressure the club to resolve. Yet fans like you keep making up ridiculous accusations that detract from the real issues.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #20

    Pardew doesn’t rotate the team enough. Remy is struggling because he needs a rest. He’s played in every game. Marveaux should be playing.

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  • JAMSHA

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #21

    TIME LET COLO GO IN EXCHANGE OF ANGEL CORREA

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  • lesh

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #22

    Catchy, Fumanchu, for goodness sake give it a rest, take that record off the player, change it. Repeating your mantras will achieve nothing, people are bored to death hearing the same stuff over and over and over. Eyawwwwn!!

    You may or may not have some valid points but repeating them over and over again, ain’t gonna change or achieve anything.

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  • Slank

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #23

    9ToonDarnSarf

    ‘…I know people want to bang on about the SD adverts but that’s a different issue completely…’

    I haven’t seen any postings about whether it is legal or in contravention of company and/or City rules and regulations that allows or prohibits a public listed company from making payments to an employee who uses his or her own property to advertise their employers name and especially for a director to authorise these payments to himself.

    I’m sure the pension funds that hold shares in SD would have something to say about potential dividends being diverted in this way.

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  • Himanshu Dhingra

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #24

    Leech

    Shut your Fuc**ng mouth.

    People like you are the reason why Ashley and Joe Kinnear are leeching money out of NUFC

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #25

    TDS

    3 very good points the club should answer questions on…

    also the fact the club/fan liaison officer is head of PR, is pretty poor as well. UEFA say clubs must have a fan liaison officer so it’s come from them, not the clubs own idea…to give it to the guy responsible for PR is not good as it’d a conflict of interests in my view.

    But overall that comes under your point 1, his relationship with the fans, lack of respect for us.

    As for the accounts being fiddled, i personally haven’t seen a full detailed set (we only see summaries as fans) but even if i did i wouldn’t know myself.

    I presume as he is 100% owner he can do as he pleases, so if he pays all the required tax he would be well within his rights to move things/hide things from fans if he wanted? I again stress this isn’t my view, just asking if it’s possible.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #26

    TS

    It depends what you mean by stopped operating. There’s a difference between the company going bust and the club’s licence to compete in the league rescinded.

    Wimbledon disappeared completely that’s for sure. MK Dons formed from the ashes and AFC Wimbledon is the fans’ club. I wonder why disillusioned fans don’t do what Wimbledon and Man Utd fans did and form Newcastle Mags or something similar…

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #27

    I have a feeling we will see the return of Shola as I think Pardew will see a game against a relegation contender as an opportunity to use the squad. Especially a defensively combative side with two frail central defenders.

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  • lesh

    Jan 15, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #28

    Transfer Sage…. Er Rangers?

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  • Slank

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #29

    TS @ 25

    As a public figure Ashley will probably come under a lot of scrutiny by the financial authorities and the City and as such will be squeaky clean.

    But why would someone who is worth billions from his commercial activities want to fiddle a few million? The suggestion that he is is absurd.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #30

    lesh

    have they stopped existing as a club? no, they have just dropped down 3 leagues, still have 40,000 fans going to watch them on a saturday and will rise back up.

    TDS

    with MK dons it was more they wanted to move the club, they could have stayed the same club in the same area if they had wanted to, either way they dealt with the administration, they didn’t need to do all that…it was a separate decision fueled by the owners

    As for forming another club…maybe fans don’e want to? maybe they want to just ride the storm out with ashley until they get the club back to an owner they are happy with. Why should fans of 40/50/60 years move because a guy has owned them for 6/7years.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #31

    Not that optimistic for west ham! We seem to struggle in games we should be winning this season and play well in games we ‘d expect to lose! Fat Sam seems to do well against us too!
    Think if you want ben arfa in the team (personally im not fussed) we need to play a rigid 4-4-1 and then have him as a free roaming player and let him just go wherever he wants to roam! Hes too ill-disciplined to hold a position but if we line up to accomodate that he might have some joy

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #32

    slank

    i agree, i have said it wasn’t my opinion, just wondered if it was possible.

    It can happen though sometimes…it’s more a power thing that financial gains, i don’t think he is doing it though.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #33

    Imagine living in a parallel universe.

    Ambani or that Russian guy who was a student in Newcastle, both proclaimed NUFC fans, was our owner.

    Johann Cruyff was our D.O.F

    Hiddinck was our manager.

    Top players were knocking down our door to play for us.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Now think of the polar opposite of that . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Yep, that’s where we are now.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #34

    jay

    thats the key…if you play him play to his strength not weakness. otherwise he might as well not play

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #35

    Slank

    If you’re suggesting that MA is receiving direct payment from SD for advertising at SJP, then that would be disgraceful. I don’t see how that could be legal either as it would need to go through the SJP books.

    I know it sounds like semantics, but SJP is not MA’s property really. It’s owned by NUFC which in turn is owned by MA.

    And wouldn’t what you’re describing just be called a backhander? Sounds illegal to me…

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #36

    Morning all, see the news of let’s wait till the final week has begun, Percy said something similar last week!! Abrahamavic and Mansoors have invested in there clubs but these aren’t loans, abrahamovic has said as has Bruce buck that he sees Chelsea as his hobby the money spent won’t be recouped

    Mansoors have invested heavily on infrastructure and are going a different way to Roman, they have also said that these aren’t loans, don’t forget they are owned by devout Muslims and don’t believe in interest loans as it is, they have however secured a £100m deal with Etihad for sponsorship etc, a company which Mansoors are main shareholders!! At least they paid for advertising and naming rights eh!!

    Would anyone think Ravel Morrison is worth a bid at £10m apparently has a clause in his contract and fulham tried signing him yesterday

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #37

    70TWO

    Do you mean West ham or us !!! scarily similar manager mind sets

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #38

    TS

    Wimbledon moved and rebranded because they were in administration and couldn’t survive any other way. It’s definitely not the same club these days.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #39

    ToonDarnSarf @ 19

    Could not agree more and working towards resolving the three points you make would generate a lot more good will around NUFC. IMO Ashley does not feel it is necessary to address these issues because of his own personality and his short term aims to sell the club. Would genuinely ask, was it immediately obvious how much money Hall & Shepard were personally receiving?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #40

    our toon

    seems a talent and they were all saying after his loan move he has settled down and west ham seeing benefits now

    the walk was 4/5 mil might get him too, worth a punt at that

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