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Newcastle Give Up On Two Top Transfer Targets

8:43 am, Friday, January 17th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 40 Comments

Newcastle’s Director of Football Joe Kinnear has been widely reported to be in Germany at the moment, trying to tie up a deal for Borussia Monchengladbach striker Luuk de Jong, but that would be an initial loan deal, and it looks like Joe will not make his breakthrough and make a permanent signing until the summer.

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Tom Ince – in Monaco today

But it seems that two good targets will escape the Newcastle net, with Blackpool winger Tom Ince in Monaco today discussing a potential deal, in the second smallest country in the world, and where there is no income tax.

The other good player we will not be signing is Kurt Zouma, the impressive 19 year-old St. Etienne center-back,  who is being courted by Chelsea.

And the reports suggest that Arsenal, the two Manchester clubs and Tottenham are also interested in Zouma. :(

Zouma has said today there had been contact with Chelsea last month:

“There was advanced contact with Chelsea last month.” “At the start I thought it was a joke but afterwards I quickly took Mourinho’s call seriously.”

“When a great man like Jose Mourinho calls a little player like Kurt Zouma, it’s nice. It doesn’t happen every day and it’s a big sign of respect and confidence.”

“If you tell me to go to Chelsea, I’ll go there immediately! Especially after the call from the coach.” “I’m playing my third season in Ligue 1.”

“In June, it will be time to go and I will see how things happen elsewhere.” “Why not a step up in France? Abroad, it’s make or break, but it’s a risk worth taking.”

“I won’t necessarily choose according to the league.  “It will depend on playing time and the state of mind of the coach and the squad.”

Zouma is very willing to join Chelsea, but he will not get immediate playing time there, so perhaps in the summer he would possibly  still consider Newcastle, and he could get playing time at the club, especially if Fab Coloccini leaves to return home to Buenos Aries.

Kurt Zouma

Kurt Zouma - 19 year-old talented  6’2″ St. Etienne center-back

But with some bigger clubs than Newcastle interested, it seems we have little chance of getting this very talented Frenchman to Tyneside.

What do you think?

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40 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:46 AM

    I’m not really convinced we were ever in for either player. Much as I would have liked to have seen Zouma at the toon, I think it’s fairly obvious he will be joining a CL team. Ince, I am yet to be convinced is a top flight footballer, impressive as he has looked, his time at Liverpool has cast doubts that he can do it.

  • 2 Markaccus // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:47 AM

    T sageI do see where you are coming from in a way, but we do have that new fitness coach and i don’t think this has been an off the cuff idea, i think doing something like this will make it easier to play in our climate, as long as it is done correctly. They wont be able to go out on the lash over there anyway, its not allowed 

  • 3 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:47 AM

    Why would Ince want to sit on Monaco’s bench?

  • 4 G // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:48 AM

    @ for a sh*t load of tax free cash… obviously!

  • 5 Markaccus // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    Martoon

    Yeah people do find fault on many things, sometimes fairly, sometimes not. Probably being unfair to T sage as he has outlined.some.valid points from the portugal camp.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    markaccus

    They actually did an interview with the guy who organised Qatar’s world cup and he said it’s fine to drink over there, as long as you keep under control in public, but yeh i see your point.

    But surely if we are tired doing 2/3 fitness sessions abroad won’t help really? They’d be better off just having a week off, with some very light tactical/technical stuff in there.

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    Rumour has it Monaco players are going to be taxed the same way as any other team playing in the French divisions!

    …so that would hardly be taxfree ;)

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    jesper

    moanco also bought lacana traore and have loaned him straight out, might do the same with ince?

    he’ll be thinking he might as well make 80k a week and be loaned to a team that would otherwise pay him 20.

  • 9 Rainrix // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:52 AM

    Jesper…. Its twice as confusing as considering a few months ago he turned down cardiff because it was too far away from blackpool and now he’s talking to Monaco.

  • 10 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Rainrix…kids these days are a confused lot no doubt!

    …doesn’t always help when there advisors are idiots :D

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    in fairness to him i’d love to have that money and live in monaco, would be a great place to play your football.

    same as teams like marseille, roma, psg, fiorentina…all in beautiful places to live.

  • 12 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    TS…isn’t the new tax rate in French football 70%?

  • 13 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    What I am hearing is players a flocking French because of it?

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    jesper

    i think it was 75% but going up a bit more now. Still monaco and psg have so much money they can still pay big wages.

  • 15 Goodfella // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    He’ll be getting advice from his dad, well he is an idiot also. :)

  • 16 Rainrix // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    Jesper…. Ohhhhhhhh Paul Ince a idiot? No way dude, no way ;)

  • 17 G // Jan 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    jesper, that’s correct. One of the reasons the high earners want to get out of there. Monaco is still exempt, although I believe FIFA attempted to place a restriction on them, however, currently they can still pocket tax-free cash. Nice work if you can get it.

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    *France

  • 19 catchy in norway // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    markaccus

    no drinking, ?? I don’t think they got the memo

    http://www.nufcblog.org/2012/01/pardew-accused-of-presiding-over-tenerife-drinking-binge-before-toon-cup-crash/#.UtjxA5PKyUk

  • 20 Goodfella // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    On signing any players i dont see us bringing any players in unless they are development players.

  • 21 catchy in norway // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    jesperfuglsang

    Stavanger should be high on that list too ;)

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    G…that would be nice indeed ;) lol

    TS…just a shame to see another Brit wasting his career I would say. Lets hope he stay in the UK for now

  • 23 JP...from The Rock // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM

    Why oh why would we ‘give up’ on two long term targets so easily? We haven.t even tried yet? Where was our bid?

    Both are just what we need and that kid Zouma looks to be a star in the making. I bet whoever gets hi will have a world beater and his value will sky rocket. For a businessman like Ashley, this simply ‘giving up’ on EASY MONEY doesn’t make sense.

    Ince is another player I like that is destined to stardom if he can find consistency-which I am sure he will soon.

    Any player willing to spend on these two will see their value go up at least 5 fold.

    But instead we’re supposedly interested in a dutch player that can’t get a game in Germany and are willing to offload our striker who was a goal machine in Germany- where’s the logic in that!?

    These are the stupid decisions that piss me right off as we are again shooting ourselves in the foot!

    It’s like when we could have had Bale from Southampton for a measly 7M but decided he wasn’t worth it. Spurs then took the gamble and they made a profit of say 85M!!

    Some of this clubs decisions are just retarded and hard to take. Where the hell is our ambition, and why in the hell do we waste money in scouting these players long term if we then don’t even bid for them when the price is right?

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    jesper

    i guess it depends on the plan monaco have for him, if it’s just random loans and sitting on the bench dont go.

    but if they say we want you to go to this club, this league, etc and look to get you in the team over the next 2 years then i’d say go for it

  • 25 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    Catchy…I thought you were based in Christiansand?

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    …or were you just referring to Stavanger? :D

  • 27 G // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    I don’t know mate, sometimes a move overseas isn’t a bad thing for a player. Look at Steve McManammon at Real. He was a massive success there. I don’t suppose Beckham was wasting his time there either. It does often turn out poorly for brits abroad, anybody remember Ian Rush having an ill fated spell in Italy? Whereas David Platt thrived in Italy.

  • 28 jayphoto // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    Heard somewhere that PSG owners pay all the tax for the players and Zlatans actual before tax wage is over 600k per week
    French tax rule makes no difference to PSG owners but it may affect monaco as the tax free element has meant they can afford to match psg for players take home pay! Not sure they are able to match the wages whilst paying 80% tax! Monaco owner is very rich, but hes nowhere near in the league of the qataris!
    Id expect to see mass exodus from teams like marseille and lyon who pay big wages (upto 100k per week) that will now see a 100k per week player take home the same as a premier league 35k a week player

  • 29 catchy in norway // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    jesperfuglsang

    no,, I lived in a place called Sirdal, but it was 120km from work, now I live near Stavanger where I work

    where are you ?

  • 30 catchy in norway // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    jayphoto

    I thought it was 75% and is now going up to 85%

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    jay

    there have been a lot of french lads saying they now ‘fancy a challenge abroad’…which makes me laugh, nothing to do with tax.

    valbuena was one sounding out a move

  • 32 jayphoto // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    Some very good players at the likes of lille ,marseille, lyon and Nice! Id take Valbuena in a heartbeat! Same with Grenier at Lyon! Can’t blame the players really! If the tax is 80 or 85%, its not like its one of the top 3 leagues either, its probably the 5th major league! Reckon alot of the players will move to the bundesliga

  • 33 bobby mango // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    Doesn’t surprise me we’re not getting either. Never thought we were in pole position with Ince. As for the defender it’s only a recent link, which has been quickly scuppers.

    Conclusion is I’m not that bothered. In fact I expect to see this with 99.9% of players linked with us… As joe said himself 1/2 transfers is all we can hope for in a window.

  • 34 Markaccus // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    Catchy

    I was very clearly talking about drinking in the middle east. Not Tenerife. I am not in the mood to argue a different point to you than the one i was discussing with some other people. They can’t go out and get smashed over there like they did in european training camps, because they will get arrested.

  • 35 jayphoto // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM

    @catchy – how is Norway life anyway for an expat? The mrs’ is relocating to Tromso in August for a year and I’m going to be spending 3 months working in oslo and bergen aswell as quite a few weeks in tromso! It any good?

  • 36 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Catchy…Aarhus, Denmark :)

  • 37 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    Jayphoto…how can PSG pay their players taxes? Won’t PSG be taxed twice then?

    …you would here in Denmark :)

  • 38 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Jayphoto…Tromsø that is quite up North :) Guess you can see the Northern Light then!

    …where are you based now?

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Jan 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    jesper

    basically instead of paying the player 200k before tax so they take home only 25% o it they pay them 200k after tax….so pay enough so after tax they get 200k to take home.

  • 40 James RS // Jan 17, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Will Kinnear ever make a permanent signing; where he is concerned its always bad news he just puts people off dealing with him. Pardew must be tearing his hair out! at least Pardew’s a good man manager people warm to him but Kinnear omg




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