Pardew Issues Caution On January Transfers


With just thirteen days left in the January transfer window, Newcastle fans are hoping the club can get one or maybe two players through the door before February rolls around.

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Mathieu Debuchy – joined just over a year ago

Last year at this time we were playing Reading at home and after the terrible 2-1 loss, Mike Ashley brought in four Frenchmen, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and Massadio Haidara, and Mathieu Debuchy had already joined earlier in the month, and we won our next two games at Aston Villa and at home to Chelsea.

Those five Frenchmen are all playing well for Newcastle now, but they took time to adjust to the demands of the Premier League.

Alan is still hopeful of some player(s) coming through the door in the next couple of weeks, as he had this to say in the Shields Gazette today:

“Joe’s in charge of that department with Graham and Mike, and as the manager, I’m hoping that I get a player or maybe two to bed in, really.”

“Whether they would make a big impact on the first team this season, I’m not so sure, because it’s a funny time to come in. “That first six months for Vurnon Anita was tough, I thought.”

“We’ve seen the benefit of it now.”  “We’ve had a lot more discussions this week, as there’s been a lot more movement in the market.” 

“It sounds like clubs are going to make some moves. We need to be on our toes in terms of clubs coming for our players, or us going for them.”    “The market’s moving. We need to be on our toes.”

Joe Kinnear is currently said to be in Germany trying to arrange a loan deal with Borussia Monchengladbach for 23 year-old Dutch International Luuk de Jong.

So we probably shouldn’t expect too much from any new players coming in during January, although Papiss Cisse made a huge impact when he first arrived two years ago, with a fantastic 13 goals in his first 14 games at Newcastle.

Wonder if Luuk de Jong can do that – if we can get him in on loan of course.

But a caution – since that first season, Papiss Cisse has played another 65 times for Newcastle, and scored only 16 goals.

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104 comments so far

  • rivettCatcher

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #1

    West ham tickets.

    Might just turn up down the duke around 12:30.

    I’m at Canary wharf working ATM, so to Mr Mile End (Anita), I may grab a pint at the ledger building around 11:30 if you fancy it?

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  • Belfast

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #2

    Lot of drivel as usual. Lets hope none of the big clubs come in for a our players. Yawn……….

    Then lets fannnnnnk the wonderful Mike on the 1st of Febuary for standing firm and not selling any of our crown jewels. Yawn………….

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  • Kris

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #3

    My team for today:
    Krul
    Santon, Willo, Saylor, Haidarä
    Tiote, Cabaye
    Sissoko
    Benny, Ameobi, Remy

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #4

    Belfast, that line will be trotted out in February I’m sure.

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  • Anita the Legend

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #5

    RivettCatcher

    Ah mate, I would definitely have joined you, but I’ve desperately got to get to a friends house over in West Kensington at about midday, bloody nightmare, the opposite direction to where I want to be today. I’ll be sitting on that District line a lot today. Next time though mate.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 18, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #6

    Graham Carr must be quite frustrated about the lack of signings, being a toon fan himself.

    Some of the players who he knows could come in and do a great job for us under a good manager and ambitious owner. It must be really annoying to either not get them at all, or look for near cost free option instead.

    Albeit we’ve got some good players in this way, it still highly limits our capability. That is down to Carr’s eye for a player, not the constant of Ashley providing almost no money. He is very lucky that Carr can attract these players in and even see a glimmer of their skill once and a while when they’re not defending for most of the game.

    I dread to think the workhorses that Pardew would fill the team up with. It’d be like the usual Sunderland teams of yesteryear, and even they would be limited, due to a lack of budget.

    Nice one, Mike. Not.

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  • shearer and the duchess

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #7

    Mr Pardew is an absolute diplomat. He’s done a good job on the pitch but he is in it up to his eyes when it comes to supporting Mr Ashley.

    I’m sure he would love to have more players but by jove he doesn’t half tow the party line. He must be so indebted to the owner.

    Unless the rotter is banging Mr Ashley’s wife. He’s a scally for the ladies that fellow. I hope Mrs Downey doesn’t find out.

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  • rivettCatcher

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #8

    No worries… I’ll wander down WH around noon.

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  • stan anderson

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #9

    Same usual BOLLOX spouted off by the puppet Pardew.
    But we keep on buying the tickets off these CON MEN.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #10

    same stuff we always hear but it’s irrelevant. I thin it’s clear pardew wants more players, not his fault, wish he didn’t tow the party line so often, but at the end of that day he knows he needs to really to stay in a job.

    Ashley seems to have little pattern to buying players (other than last jan when relegation loomed) he just buys when he can get the player we want for the price we want….so we could get anywhere from 0 to 5 lads in depending on how talks go i imagine.

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  • breno95

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #11

    G Carr is a scout LR. End of. Carr does nothing more than identify a player. The ‘attracting them in’ part then shifts across to JFK in his role as DOF to begin negotiations with the respective club first and then agents. Thats why we are being told JFK is currently in Germany working on getting LDJong.
    Things would be better on here if alot of posters had a slightly better concept of transfers and accept that securing a deal is rather complicated. its not just a case of saying “we are NUFC” and the deal is done!
    As for today i expect to see the same drive and effort shown against City. That being the case we should win comfortably. I would personnally make changes and go with
    Krul
    Santon
    Williamson
    Yanga
    Haidara
    Tiote
    Anita
    Cabaye
    Ben Arfa
    Cisse
    Remy

    Subs:-
    Elliott
    Taylor
    Sissoko
    Gouffran
    Marveaux
    Shola

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #12

    breno

    I’m not 100% sure what JFK does though, some say he has gone to germany to speak to people but from what the club said recently

    Carr identifies players and discusses this with pardew, whats needed, who he’s seen, etc

    Lee Charney actually discusses the finances of the deal due to his experience in such matters with finances

    Ashley makes final approval and signs off the deal

    Really not sure what JFK actually does as i’m sure the incoming player would like to speak with the manager not JFK as it will be pardew who will use him in his system.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #13

    Also this tough negotiating is good short term but bad long term, if clubs re giving in to our demands, especially if players push for the move to they might void dealing with us in the future when they realise we are getting good players for low prices…..there will be no good connection built up.

    The opposite problem was there with previous owners where clubs loved to deal with us and sell us duds as we didn’t scout properly and paid well over the odds.

    As with many aspects of the club the current owner and the previous made bad mistakes but on opposite ends of the spectrum.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #14

    On today’s game I think it will be really tough but we need to go for a win.

    We are in a position not where we are safe from 10th and trailing 7th by a good way. So really one point doesn’t do much good to us, so we might as well gamble on going for the win.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #15

    Breno, attracking was the wrong choice of word… highlighted or identified would have been better.

    The point is, without Carr, the players probably wouldn’t be as good.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #16

    should read ‘in a position now being safe from 10th’

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  • 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #17

    i watch as much french football as i can via bt sport. watched cabella v monaco .he played quite well but is predictable stepovers all the time and goes down more than any other player i have seen .makes janujaz look genuine.got a clear penalty . gomis played well against marseille and got his normal tap in .scored 4 in 4 i have seen .his goal ratio must be getting better.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #18

    laurent

    same can be said of any side though, if you don’t have a good scout it is difficult to identify lesser known players or players who have something but haven’t fully shown it yet

    anyone can pick out the best players in the world but a good scout can identify those who may have potential or not shining currently but who would suit our side.

    take any clubs scout away and they will sign worse players

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #19

    1949

    dedicated to the cause aren’t you….or are you graham carr? haha

    sounds better on gomis, i have criticised his record but it does seem to be better the past year or two, must be maturing into a better player

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #20

    Pardew issuing caution , surely not !!

    Today brings together 2 of the last remaining dinosaurs in English football in Pardew and Allardyce, Pulis being the other.

    Fat Sham and Pardew are true exponents of ”Containing” football and try and nick a goal approach. Mouthwatering prospect for the fans.

    It’s funny looking back and comparing

    Manager KK Manager@ Pardew

    Hislop Krul
    Barton Haidara
    Beresford Santon
    Batty Tiote
    Peacock Willo
    Albert MYM
    Lee Cabaye
    Beardsley Ben Arfa
    Shearer Cisse
    Ferdinand Remy
    Ginola Gouffran

    Asprilla Marveaux

    Would be refreshing to see Pardew put out an attacking side for a change. One that will manage more than 3 shots on goal and hopefully score more than 1 goal in 4 games!!

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #21

    Breno, we know deals are complicated, but that is towing the party line.

    We make it hard for ourselves because of our thrifty owner. Lowest of the spending pile.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #22

    Depends which Toon team turns up today, but I’m going for a 3 -1 win to the Toon. I do hold reservations though as we usually slip up in these types of games. Good duel today will be Andy Carroll v Willo. Willo might not get an easy run today. If we get beat the bog will be eventful this evening.

    Ian Toon – I see you are down in London -and will be partaking of the broth in a local hostelry. Perhaps returning to the scene of previous “crimes”. So please no post match fables about bumping into Hammers fans who love Percy. We won’t believe you. You need to behave, you know it makes sense. Enjoy the match.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #23

    Ts

    Trouble is Carr has spotted genuinely good technical players who with proper coaching could be sensational.
    but with JFK, Pardew, Carver and Stone etc, will never happen.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #24

    TS, yes I know.

    What I’m saying though is that Ashley is pushing his luck by hardly shelling out a thing on players or a good manager.

    In my opinion we are getting by on the strength of Carr’s players. As Rotonda rightly says, in spite of Pardew, not because of.

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  • 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #25

    thanks t s watched last nights game not bad st et v lille but anyone who thinks we play defensivly ought to watch the average french game,their opinion would probably change.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #26

    What time are we playing today?

    …not sure if I can make it 🙁

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #27

    1949

    i used to watch a bit of italian football, mainly highlights when that was the big league in europe…..that was defensive rubbish, the highlights basically consisted of tackles not chances.

    I do think we play too defensively though, although it may not be the right word….cautious possibly. It’s hard to say, we attack often but don’t get enough numbers into the final third and the box to make the attack worthwhile and as a result often shoot from distance, so lots of shots but few chances.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #28

    Mister tuff

    Pardew is untouchable . We could finish 16th (imagine doing that with this squad ) and nothing would change,
    as has been proved. He won’t walk and Ash won’t pay out.

    Pardew has set records for the worst this that and the other not only with us but at West ham, so despite losing 4 in a row and only scoring one (ok should have been 2) goal it will hardly cause a ripple if we lost again. Mid-table Mediocrity looks here to stay sadly.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #29

    I think ash quickly removed all incoming transfers from pardew’s grasp after the obertan fiasco. Thank god, if left to pardew we would have had bent and tomkins by now!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #30

    laurent

    That’s partly what I find confusing about our ‘self funded’ approach of not spending more than we earn.

    The policy is ok, but we don’t implement in correctly I feel. For me Pardew is an average manager, just not fully suited to the players we seem to buy.

    Look at Klopp at dortmund, he has a yearly salary of 1.8mil euro (1.5mil pounds) and he is a top top manager in germany and europe.

    If he is on such a wage then surely instead of signing a player for 4/5mil and paying him 20k a week that money would be better spent on getting a higher calibre of manager to work with what we have….after all it’s only the cost of 1 player.

    I feel we have a squad which is around the 8th best in the league, just need a couple of players in to add to it. So we could even take a gamble on a promising younger manager knowing even if he failed he still would have to fail in spectacular fashion to take us down.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #31

    TS…sometimes going from what I hear on here some make it sound like it doesn’t matter if we have a manager or not. 😉

    …when as you say it can be what makes the difference

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  • rivettCatcher

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #32

    Sorry for repeating myself again :p

    ANY SPARE TICKETS FOR TODAYS GAME?

    I’m tubing it now & will be in the Duke about noon.

    Thanks.

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  • Rake

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #33

    I’v seen a few people suggest West Ham do well against us. I would suggest that a reason for this is simple. Pardew often tries to nullify the opponents strengths and contain the opposition. Trying to do this to a team that go from back to front quickly will cause problems. The correct approach today would be to go for a similar team to city and really move the ball about keep possession and dare I say ATTACK West Ham.

    I think we could see Benny start today, not sure I want him too but at least it makes the game more interesting.

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  • BandB

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #34

    “We need to treat the Hammers like a top team.”
    No Alan, we need to approach it like we are a top team. You are at Newcastle United, not Reading.
    Containment works well against the top clubs. It frustrates them and robs them of confidence and resolve, while ours grows.
    Against the poorer teams, exactly the reverse happens.
    West Ham will be dangerous if they get some wind in their sails.
    We need to win games like these. This second half of the season is tough. So have a go.
    HWTL

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  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #35

    Rotunda – I think you are probably right about Percy being pretty secure in his post at the moment. If we started flirting with relegation again it might change. Currently I hold no fears about a repeat of last season – might change if we get beat today (team confidence) but it appears there is a natural split occurring in the league – the top nine will probably remain the same -so we will probably achieve our aims -sorry the clubs aims of top ten finish.
    As for anything to shout about or aspirations -clearly not a lot here to excite Toon fans. We will be reduced to talking about our efforts in individual, probably meaningless games as a substitute for cheering on a cup run or fighting for a Europe spot. In effect the season is a write off -again.

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  • Ben3arfa

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #36

    Pretty sure Breno95 is Lee Marshall’s NUFC blog account . Ashley suck up

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  • jasper

    Jan 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #37

    Is this the first time Saylor and AC have come up against each other competitively? Not a lot of love lost there. What are the odds of a red card – or two- today?

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Jan 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #38

    why is match day neg day lol

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  • mattnufc

    Jan 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #39

    Agreed BandB.
    For me, the problem is Pardew hasn’t implemented a style of play in his three years, here. So it makes it very difficult to impose his team on the opposition. Almost by default, an approach focusing on the opponents’ strengths results.

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  • santonthenewmaldini

    Jan 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #40

    Just worry we go 442 with Shola and play ping pong with West Ham we should play the same team 451 that we played against Palace as they are a long ball team and we dominated possession

    Would not mind seeing Sissoko getting dropped today in place of Arfa but think it will be Anita who drops out which is undeserved

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