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Newcastle Reject PSG Bid For Cabaye – Red Devils Next?

9:02 pm, Sunday, January 26th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 100 Comments

Arsenal bid £11M for Yohan Cabaye in the summer and that was rejected by Newcastle, and news today that PSG have finally bid for Cabaye – with an initial offer  of £14M – and that has also been rejected.

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Yohan Cabaye – PSG £14M bid rejected

It could be that PSG have made Cabaye their number one target, but if Newcastle have any sense they will only let Yohan Cabaye go in January, if the Tyneside club get a massive (make that ridiculous) bid for him – and much more than a paltry £14M.

So with just over five days to go in this transfer window, we’ll see what the next shoe to fall is – and we wouldn’t be surprised if the French club come back in with an increased offer, but hopefully that will be rejected too.

And then there’s Manchester United, who are now said to be interested in taking Cabaye to Old Trafford, and we would expect if the Red Devils do come in and bid, it  will be a bigger one than £14M – maybe a much bigger one.

Cabaye could help the Red Devils make the Champions League, with those hopes being very slim at the moment, as they are  only one point above Newcastle in the league, they may just be desperate enough to make a huge bid.

If Marouane Fellaini is worth £27.5M to United – then what is Cabaye worth to them – given their current predicament?

But top clubs are now finally bidding for Yohan Cabaye in this final week of the January transfer window.

If Newcastle let Cabaye go and we are unable to bring in a suitable replacement that would not be good, and money would again trump Newcastle becoming a good side, or even that we keep one of our very best players so we can do well in the final 22 games of the season.

We hope the club have learned from selling Andy Carroll to Liverpool three years ago, and at the time we were short of a striker for the rest of that season.

We are hoping Mike Ashley will stand firm and hold out for a huge fee for Cabaye, who is one of Newcastle’s most important players this season,  and also one of France’s best players, and if that kind of bid doesn’t come in – we should keep him.

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100 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Ed, there is no suitable replacement for Cabaye. He is the central midfield player for France. Which other central midfield players for major European national teams are available and affordable – none.

    He goes for £25M to £35M or he stays.

  • 2 SuperShearer // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    The proof in the pudding will be if Cabaye is not playing against Norwich. With that opening bid we should play him, make it clear that the amount offered is not even worthy of us resting the player should he incur and injury.

  • 3 Jail for Ashley // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    This story would certainly scotch the claims by that French journo that a fee of €26M had been agreed.

  • 4 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    Be suprised if Man utd pay top dollar for a cm considering the money they spent on Fellani in the summer. Would be a great signing for them though.

  • 5 stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

    looking at the FA cup draw tonight , its enough to make a man weep.
    It is however a perfect example as to how pardew – never has or ever will be a winner. His decision making is nothing short than heinous.

    The fact that we threw away the Cardiff game by bizarrely resting players for the game. WHY ? the fact we are not going to get relegated or win any leagues , the FA cup was our last chance of something to play for – he couldn’t even give us that. The 2 ties given to Cardiff were both very winnable , and with a bit of luck another good tie may have seen us in the semis. but no, Sir Alan ‘fergie’ pardew just happened to have other ideas by trying to pull a clever one by pretending he knew what he was doing- wrong move , he didn’t have a clue what the hell he was doing. so because of his arrogance, and inept managerial capabilities. we have lost out on a decent cup run , a run that may have seen us at Wembley in may . thankyou very much sir .

  • 6 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Cant see them paying any more than 17-18 mill tbh

  • 7 jazzyp // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Stuart downing £20 mill-Jordan Henderson £20 mill……….Cabs £14 mill mmmmm I’ll leave that one with ya

  • 8 stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

    Himanshu—-
    —————Stuart

    Look at the big picture.

    Pardew gets a few weeks off and heads of to Abudhabi to pick up chicks
    ==================true, however they had such a good time pardew has booked them all in again same time next year.

  • 9 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    I cannot see ManU making a bid. If they did, what signal does that say to Cabaye? We want you as backup to Mata and Fellani as these two individually cost twice as much as you. That’s not very tempting.

    Even the PSG bid is for a bench warmer. PSG may pull at his heart and family but from a footballing career move it is a backward step.

    If he asks for more money at Newcastle and a new contract he would probably get it and stay. What we don’t know is whether having lots of French players around him and being their leader plays a significant part in his decisions to stay or go.

  • 10 John Tudor // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    he might hate playing with french players

  • 11 stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    toonking at previous post .
    yeah , there is no doubting we were unlucky against city, however the bottom line is we got knocked out . all the more reason to try and make up for that loss by playing his strongest side against Cardiff , least of all his goal scorer . I just cant fatham it.

  • 12 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    To be fair, I think people like Billson and me got it wrong when we said that fans here overrated Cabaye. He is indeed a fine player. I cant see bids of more than 22mill though, but who knows? Sadly, despite what the know nowts and Ashley lovers think, we wont buy a replacement now, but will troll the lists of french midfielders coming off contract and get someone cheap. Then we’ll claim that the agents fees bump it up to a 15 mill deal or some such and the rest will sit in the bank as Ashley looks to increase the ney value of the club with a view to sellingt. I genuinely would be concerned about Cabaye this time, as our lofty position in the league will be seen as protection as we slip down the table, away from the nasty zone of ambitious clubs whose coat-tails we sit on but in whose ambitious presence we dont really belong. Incidentally, what happened to all the youthful talent we were going to bring in last summer ??

  • 13 Jail for Ashley // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    Slank,
    Ask for more money and get it. Haha.lol.pmsl.lmfao.OMG ha ha ha ha ha ha, that is single handed the funniest most outrageous post I have ever read on here.

  • 14 John Tudor // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    please sir can i have some more

  • 15 toonking // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    the FA started in January, we are sitting very well positioned in the premier league, ashley is very tight about how much is spent for a transfer.
    so let think

    A. we don’t want to start sliding down into a relegation battle and a team (blackpool I think) not long ago got fined for fielding a weakened team against premier league opponents arsenal, they wanted to keep them fit for the easy game that was due and knew that they would loose to arsenal.
    ashley being the type who loves money would be furious if the club were to receive a fine for fielding a weakened team in a premier league match. Pardew would know he could get sacked so therefore he has to field the strongest team for league games.

    B. pardew wants players signing and we want players to be signed, the problem is mike can only see the 11 that are on the pitch so in his eyes we are a strong team.

    C. so how the hell do we convince mike that we have rubbish depth if all he is getting to see is a starting 11.

    the answer was to use the FA cup
    why?
    this is why
    A we don’t get fined for fielding a weakened team in a premier league match

    B if we don’t bring in the striker we wanting then we know remy is still safe injuries that come from a cup game can cause a lot more negativity than those premier league one.

    C if we were to play a weakened team and loose to arsenal well all ashley and JFK need to say is arsenal are just a very good side so we expect to loose, something that can’t be said when we loose to teams like Cardiff so what does that prove, it proves we need more brought in.

  • 16 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    Slank, there is a replacement for Cabaye. We;ll just have to wait a while whilst some French bloke either recovers from injury or goes on strike. Some little known geezer, probably of north african heritage, who is only 19 and the next ” big thing” , in Metz /Troyes/Dijon ( insert weak french club of your choice ) . Bag of arse. Still at least Ashley will get top dollar for him, but wouldnt it be nice to see it spent?

  • 17 bills-son // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    Munster,

    If Cabaye is so good why has Mata gone for £37M when we’ve only had offers of £10M and £14M?

    City and Chelsea have signed plenty players for £20M+ and they don’t seem interested.

    Cabaye is good, but if Ashley sticks to £20M-£25M he might be here for a while yet.

  • 18 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    15 million and Kagawa would be nice.

    Then Ashley could open a few sports direct stores in Kagawas country.

    $$$$$$$$

    Thank me later Mike.

  • 19 stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    slank @ 9 —- I think it will take more than afew quid to keep cabs.- one of the best midfielders in Europe playing for Newcastle when big clubs are coming in for him.???? he deserves a bigger stage , CL, He is an ambitious player, we cant accommodate his ambitions I’m afraid he is packing his bags. maybe not this January but certainly summer.after the world cup where he has taken the world cup by storm and probably added an extra few mill to his valuation

  • 20 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    Munster

    There is no one of Cayabe’s tried and tested ability available and affordable. There might be some rookies out there but not the finished article like Cabaye.

    Jail,

    The economics are simple. A new contract and pay rise are more than covered by higher prize money in finishing in the upper reaches of the Premiership.

  • 21 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    We could even go on a pre season tour Mikes chance to break into the market out there. 😉

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    Slank,
    Explain that one to the business genius that is Mike Ashley, it’s a lovely thought Slank but with a major sticking point, it absolutely reeks of ambition.

  • 23 AaranD // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Cabaye is easily a £25 million plus player, he is a complete midfielder. The offers for him so far are just unsettling ones, with clubs hoping for Cabaye to push for a transfer making it as cheap as possible.

  • 24 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    Transfer: see 285 previous

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    belfast

    I’m really surprised we haven’t signed a player from south korea or that region as they are often used by big teams to boost the profile in asia. With Ashley expanding sports direct world wide, i wouldn’t be surprised if we went for somebody.

  • 26 USAGEORDIE // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    People on here are so desperate for action in the transfer window that they are willing to see our best player sold. We need to be patient. Yes, I would love to see Remy Cabella come in but it’s absurd to think he can replace Cabaye midway through the season in a bigger league. Ashley sees the position we are in (which isn’t bad) and thinks we can hold on and possibly get top 6 (which would be difficult considering other teams investments). He ISN’T going to splash the cash. The only thing we can do is wait out for the summer when he HAS to make a move. We aren’t a buying club, unless it is absolutely necessary, and right now with few injuries and no outgoing transfers, buying isn’t necessary. Though with a few additions we could be a solid Europa League squad, Ashley won’t buy. It’s disheartening, yes, but the best thing we can do now is hold on to Cabaye and hopefully trust the squad, as it is, enough to make a Europa Spot.

  • 27 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Stuart

    I agree that Cabaye is an ambitious and intelligent player and probably deserves to play in the CL but I doubt he will want to play second fiddle in ManU or even PSG but I could be wrong!

  • 28 AaranD // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Cabaye will be here till the summer at least. Unless a bamboozling amount is offered in cash this window.

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    9

    just had a read and two points to come back on

    1. The agent fees…playing hardball with agents, other chairmen/owners is fine sometimes, but other times if you really want a player you sometimes just have to play the game and give in. People say this could make us look weak and agents could take advantage after but also it could put clubs/agents off dealing with us and looking favourably on us when recommending where there players go if they have a choice….works both ways

    2. on making a profit by being mid table – I don’t see what is wrong with that. If we broke even last year, and now with an extra 25-30mil from the tv deal then surely buy continuing the current model he can make 25mil a year easily, do that over the best 8 years, have 200mil in his bank and then sell a stable mid table club, with no debt and make a good profit also.

    I’m not saying ashley will just take the 30mil out the club, but if we want to just sit mid table we can do that with a couple cheap players, some loan signings and still be quite safe in the league.

  • 30 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    Jail @ 22

    No it’s economics. He might not know his football but he knows his money. Giving a player a new contract and more money is far cheaper than having to buy a replacement and cough-up agent fees.

  • 31 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    Funny thing is, I think if he played for chelsea for example he would go for big money.

    Psg and the likes think they can take the piss because we aren’t a man utd or chelsea imo

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    slank

    not if you can get 20mil for that player, replace him with a guy who costs 2/3mil and half the wages

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Slank,
    I don’t think it’s about the money for him, he’s a top player and he obviously believes he’s good enought to play in the CL.

  • 34 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Slank @9: Cbs going to PSG a “backward step”? Take more water with it, man.
    Aaran @23
    Cabs “easily worth £25M+” Please refer to comment to Slank, above. Players worth £25m attract bids of £25m, that’s what makes them worth £25 m. And players worth £25m+, easily, attract , “easily” bids over £25m. There is in, fact, a difference between your personal judgement of how good a player is, and the real world. I know, beyond doubt, Cabs is the one and only man who makes us tick. Does that make him worth more than other teams’ owners are prepared to offer? Is my personal opinion so mighty??

  • 35 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    Belfast

    I think the PSG bid is an insult to Cabaye. I bet he doesn’t feel too chuffed having seen the fees paid for midfield players who are his equal and some who are very inferior to him.

  • 36 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 9:57 PM

    Bills, I think its fair to re-evaulate on Cabaye. He’s a n excellent player, and if he was playing for a more exposed club than NUFC, his value would be far greater, but his ability the same.

  • 37 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    USA geordie, good point. He will probably buy a striker though, if Cisse leaves. Its a real pity re Cisse , but he is very much a 442 player and needs service. A fantastic relaxed finisher, when in form.

  • 38 toonking // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    the thing that is making us feel so desperate to get a signing this January is down to what is likely to happen in the summer itself.

    in the summer what appears to be happening is shola will be leaving remy will not get much of an impression that it is worth remaining and cisse himself could be away.

    If a striker shortage is not bad enough we could see a few of our best players leave if cabaye for instance left wouldn’t debuchy do the same himself as it was cabaye who talke him into joining us. colocini could be wanting to go back to argentina know that Jonas is not expected to stay. This year will also have a world cup so the players will not feel as fit and their is no gurantee of ours returning injury free.

  • 39 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    To be honest, I prefer Sylvain Marveaux as a player in comparison with Cabaye. Marveaux is a more exciting player that should be utilised more when Cabaye leaves.

  • 40 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    Kets, i wondered when you would spout that crap. Marv is a lazy bastard who couldnt tackle a fish supper. Not remotely good enough to replace Cabaye.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    tom ince on loan to swansea

  • 42 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Can you chaps put me wise on one point?
    I believe the money paid to Premier League teams, from the TV contract(s) went up immensely over last summer.
    I also believe, this money isn’t actually paid until the END of the present season, when final positions are known.
    In other words, nobody has actaully received one penny of this fantastic sum of millions.
    But lots of owners, banking on what they will/hope to receive, spent big last summer.
    But not Mr Ashley.
    So, when this season ends, he will have in his hand many millions which other owners will just have to hand over, plus interest, to the banks they borrowed from to buy last summer.
    I’m asking a genuine question here: is this correct? Am I right that this is in fact the actual position?

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    well, permission to loan to prem league, expected to be swansea

  • 44 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    Kets: Behave!

  • 45 John Tudor // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    so wheres last years money went then

  • 46 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    Jail @ 33

    People in France were surprised when he moved to us as he could have gone to more successful clubs but he explained it as a challenge to play in the best league in the world.

    He showed that he is his own man and I agree that money appears not to be his primary driving force but it probably hurts when you are being lauded by the media very week for your performances and then find a rather derisory bid compared to other bids for players of similar ability.

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    9

    I believe that is the case yes, money comes in the end of the season so we should have the extra money.

    For me, I think we need to spend this window but if nothing happens in the summer its a joke

  • 48 John Tudor // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    told by his farther to go where he will learn from a better manager

  • 49 SuperShearer // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:10 PM

    Wait….Kets….seriously? You think Marveaux is better than Cabs…..why have you never said anything about your admiration for this player who can’t get on our bench?

  • 50 Slank // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    9 @ 42

    That’s correct.

  • 51 Munster Mag // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM

    9, I dont think he’s worth 25mill + either , but he’s worth 20 I think . Fellaini ….?? As i said earlier, if Cabaye had been in , say, Man U’s midfield all season playing to the same level, he’d be far more highly priced than the £14 mill. Out of interest what did Kagawa cost Man u ? Was it 14 mill? And he’s not half as influential a player on the pitch, and wasnt in Germany either.

  • 52 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Technically, Marveaux is the better player. Marveaux is faster, better at shooting and is more dangerous around the box. Cabaye’s performances have improved this season, but he was poor last season. Marveaux should be in the team ahead of Sissoko and Cabaye. Sissoko is a great player who is underperforming at the moment.

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    I think in the current day and age of transfers cabaye is easily worth 25mil when fellaini goes for 26…but then again neither are really worth it.

    fabregas was a million times better, younger and cost 35mil.

    the problem is prices for players appear out of the blue and it’s difficult to judge what is and isn’t a ‘sensible’ (as far as football goes) price for a player.

  • 54 toonking // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    marvo better than cabaye
    kets you shop must be selling magic mushrooms rather than ordinary one so you should check.

    fat sam for pardew was first
    now marvo is better than cabaye

    WHO WILL BE NEXT

  • 55 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    Transfer@29
    Sorry to be so slow, I would enjoy to continue our engagement. You say:
    1) transfer agents: I agree here: Mike, I believe, plays hardball and doesn’t bluff. Everybody else plays the agents’ game and can complete a transfer with a few £100,000s in a brown envelope (so to speak – you can see my age here) and, I agree, he will lose some deals because of it. Maybe he should just toe the line. But please reflect on what happened in January 2013 – the man is pragmatic, we were in touble, he did the deals, no worries. He will not toe the line when we’re not in danger – hopefully never again- and, I believe, eventually Johnny Foreigner will recognise this is not a mug to be messed with. Eventually. It will cost us signings, I’m sure. I also think this is worthwhile. I accept I could be wrong, but perhaps you can see my thinking?
    2)Mid-table plod: come on, now, your view, as expressed, is not sensible. Clearly, he will make more money selling us, the more successful we are. This cannot be disputed. Clearly, the more successful we are, the better it is for Mr Ashley, so, he wants what we want. And, please, don’t take *mid-table plodding” for granted. It, in itself, is an acheivement. You know it. You will not have so short a memory as to think it is the least we can acheive. I cannot agree your thinking here, but would be happy to consider your reasoning.

  • 56 manxpie // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    cabeye before we bought him would have easily been sold for 10 mill if he didn’t have that clause thats in L1!

    so now he’s proved himself in the prem as a top player in a top league he’s certainly worth a hell of alot more than 10 -14 mil
    arsenal were takin the piss and so are psg simple as that!

  • 57 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    if cabaye does go at least all the posters who have been complaining about ben arfa not playing enough will be happy if cabaye is not replaced.

  • 58 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    Cabaye to Man u shite
    Has Moyes or the club said they are interested in him have they put in a offer or again is it all paper talk and the team they would like to see – To me the press as they do in politics like to sway the government, they like, so the football press want the players they like at ‘their club’ whether it is London Liverpool or Manchester everywhere else sucks

  • 59 lesh // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:25 PM

    Let’s hope that Ashley takes a leaf out Levy’s book when bids were made for Bale – along the lines of I want £35m for Cabaye and if that’s nit bid, then he goes nowhere.

    And let’s also hope that Llambias had the foresight to insert a no buyout clause in Cab’s contract too.

    Both are big asks, especially the last one!

  • 60 AaranD // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    Todays market I, personally, wouldn’t let him go for anything less than £25 million.
    28 years old at the top if his game, a complete midfielder, French international and the star player in a decent Prem team. The reasons for mediocre offers are to unsettle him in hope of a cheaper deal, knowing he already had his head turned in the summer it can happen again. How many times have Newcastle offered much less than what a player is valued in hopes of a bargain??
    But it’s is a lot more complicated than that. Are the offers up front or paid over several years, agent fees, the cost of buying his contract out now.

  • 61 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    Further to kind answers to my question @42:
    Am I also correct in thinking Mr Ashley only offers full cash amount up front unlike some others (you know who you are, Freddy). Because if I’m right on both counts, the neggers on here would be well advised to wait to see what happens during summer transfer season 2014.

    I don’t think Mr Ashley is a mug.

  • 62 bollance // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    It will be long before we are linked with Kaboul, 26 French and out of contract at end of season. Just our ticket.

    Thoughts on the player?

  • 63 bollance // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    It will *not be long..

  • 64 Milner // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    If Cabaye got sold for £25m, and we Bought De Jong for £10m, would people consider this a good window?

    Would we ever see the £15m difference? Or would it just get lost in the summer…?

    In terms of selling Cabbs this window, i think it could be the difference between finishing (potentially) in top 6, or more likely 9th or 10th.

  • 65 manxpie // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    did any of you’s watch the transfer show on skysports news earlier?
    was just wondering how david o’leary is such good mates with ashley?
    him and jfk!! he certainly picks em like!
    that agent on there seemed to know him too??

  • 66 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    Aaran D @65: You, “personally” wouldn’t let him go for less than £25m.
    Well, Aaran, if you have assets in the region of £25m “personally”, I might give your view a little more attention than a fart in a colander. If, however, like me, you’re potless, what the f**k do you think your views are worth, “personally”?
    I’m a kind-hearted chap, but, really!!

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    9

    1. it is a difficult one, it’s hard to know exactly how each transfer effects the next, i don’t think we should pay stupid money to agents or clubs to get them on side with us, but i’ll use gomis as an example (apparently willing to pay 8mil, lyon confirmed we bid this in the summer, not can get him for 2, with 1mil agent fee…we wont pay the fee even though we get the lad for total 5 mil less than summer)….but it is difficult, got to play the game but not be total push over doing so.

    2. Well for me we can safely be mid table 8-10th, most seasons with little investment, just a loan player, a free transfer, sell a big name and spend that money over a few years (like carroll money). Now with the extra 25-30mil in tv money we can continue to break even under last years business model yet have this extra 25mil in the bank at the end of the season….over time ashley can take this out to repay his 130mil loan he gave us if he likes.

    To push onto the champions league (which pays another 20mil if getting to group stage) would require more than 20mil to get there in terms of transfer and wages, and there are 6 other sides who are genuinely pushing for this (and everton trying hard but wont count them) who can and will spend more than us making it difficult to get there and then to stay there.

    So we’d be spending a lot and have no guarantee of even getting a return.

    Now man utd was sold for a total of 800mil (ashley bought us for 135mil)…so in reality how much could ashley make out of us by improving the team? It would cost more than it would make so pointless for him if he just wanted profit.

    his best way to make a profit is to spend little, plod along mid table and keep the 25mil a year (again i’m not saying he will do this, just he could and it would work).

    I don’t mind mid table, it’s fine with me, better than we have had, good to be steady, but there comes a time you need to push on as well and i don’t see ashley wanting to do that.

    I’ve got to go now, early start with work but if you reply i’ll get back to you tomorrow, been a good chat.

  • 68 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    *’60

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    9

    before i go….we could be the first club in over 20 years of prem league to not sign a player on a permanent contract over the course of a season, that’s not good enough for me.

  • 70 lesh // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:40 PM

    A big ask from Ed too when he hopes the club have learned from selling Andy Carroll to Liverpool three years ago. Do we ever learn?

    And we really shouldn’t be selling to the Prem competition unless we’ve somebody as good as or better than Cabaye to take his place. Have we? Will we? The latter’s very unlikely given.past experience.

    Folk are saying we’re not a selling club but do we, have we invested the fees from sales in immediate eplacements? Nope. Have we invested all incoming fees on a replacement? Nope. Ashley will argue that we have and maybe so when we’ve bought more players than went out and taken the additional players’ wages into consideration.

    And there’s tge usual malarky about players wages must be counted as part of the cost of a new player – fine when it’s an additional body on the head count but surely not when it’s a one for one replacement.

    Hey ho, tge joys of supporting Newcastle United.

  • 71 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM

    Poor crack @69. Great to have a sensible conversation, however. I live in the deep south now and won’t get to a match until the Chelsea away fixture. Great if we could meet over a jar then.

  • 72 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM

    lesh@70
    If you were the owner, don’t you think you’ld be counting in the cost of the wages too, as well as the transfer fee?

  • 73 Milner // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:46 PM

    If Cabbs did go….at least Ben Arfa would suddenly find himself getting more minutes on the pitch.

  • 74 welshgeordie9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    5 days to go and then i can tell everybody that i was right.

  • 75 lesh // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:51 PM

    But Munster Mag @12….. If we do tumble down the league following Cabaye’s sale, fall five or six places @ £2m a place us it, Cab’s sake might have cost us £10m – £12m. Take that from say a £20m fee and we’ll have made a £4m – £6m profit on him, assuming we paid £4m for him.

    A high risk sale which I’m sure Kinnear’s spotted and will have pointed out the real benefits of selling Cabs. Mmm, Kinnear’s hardly the brightest button in the box so it’s probably never crossed his mind!

  • 76 Toon Tang // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    we aint no schmucks

  • 77 Toon Tang // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    top dollar for cabs or the ball dont roll

  • 78 welshgeordie9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    This might annoy some people but I am gonna say it anyway, for us to get some players in this window would anybody want injuries to key players against Norwich so we can get them in.

  • 79 Toon Tang // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    they are just 2 of the one liners joe will have used over the past couple of days

  • 80 manxpie // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:57 PM

    9 i agree when you think torres was 50 mill with his contract equals 80+ mill or bale 85 mill with his contract 135+ mill puts alot of things into perspective!
    would be interesting to see a table of the chelsea’s n man city’s of this world, of there squad worth plus wages on there contracts
    would shock alot of people!

  • 81 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    ts at 67 cant understand why we have not gone in for gomis even if agent fees are 1 million .scored again today 10 in last 12. although lyon play good football to watch, he would probably enjoy the break as they are still in both cups euro and challenging for a euro place.

  • 82 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    C’mon Lesh, don’t be shy:
    Let’s keep the figures simple to allow the maths to show itself clearly:
    Say a club (perhaps Newtown United FC) sign a footballer (say, Johnny Foreigner) from a French football club for a transfer fee of £1m, and sign a 5-year contract guaranteing to pay Mr Foreigner £1m a year for the next 5 years. if you, personally, owned the aforesaid NUFC, would you consider you had legally committed to £1m, or to £6m?

  • 83 Toon Tang // Jan 26, 2014 at 10:59 PM

    ‘i can pick up the phone to anyone and now im putting it down to you’

    thats one more from joes vault whilst negotiating over the phone

  • 84 welshgeordie9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:01 PM

    I take that as a maybe then

  • 85 wolfshead@toon // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    9

    all ashley does is count here is doing it

    http://cdn.static.ovimg.com/episode/190642.jpg

  • 86 Tsunki // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    Looking at it from Cabayes viewpoint, a transfer now would make the least sense of all.

    Stay until the summer, by then he should have played well for Newcastle, helping propel us into Europa places or who knows, get selected for the French side, have a decent world cup…what price tag AND wages AND merchandising then? sure, if he moved to Man U or PSG or Arsenal or Leigh RMI now he would get a half decent payday, but it would be a year before his next contract negotiation so waiting 6 months until his stock rockets up would be his best option.

  • 87 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:06 PM

    Just got to worry about squad morale if Cabaye goes he seems a leader for the players especially the French ones can see the Mackems coming here on Saturday brimming with confidence and us being on a downer from Cabs leaving

    I would sell him for 25 and Cisse for say 6 million if it was going to be invested we could get a great set of players :

    De Jong brothers Siem and Luuk for about 15 million

    Cabella 14 million

    Gomis 2 million

    That would make us a hell of a lot stronger

    Also just release Shola haha

  • 88 John Tudor // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:07 PM

    unless he is sick of the lack of ambition shown by ashleys and thinks f### this for a game of soldiers im off

  • 89 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    Disagree Skunki

  • 90 wolfshead@toon // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    santon

    release shola into the wild? :-)

  • 91 Our Toon // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    I think it’s safe to say we won’t sign anyone until Cabaye goes, it was the same in the summer and looks to be the same now!! Spurs got bale to sign a new deal and then flogged him for £85m because that’s how much he was worth to them, We unfortunately need Cabaye more than he needs us, someone said moving to PSG would be a backward step for Cabaye, how would moving to a team competing for leagues titles and playing in CL be a backward step?

  • 92 stuart no9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    welsh @78=====maybe nothing too severe, but how about getting 11 stretchered off,? surely ash couldn’t ignore that !

  • 93 santonthenewmaldini // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    @Wolfshead

    I think he might have to take a job in Sports Direct once he leaves the Toon

  • 94 manxpie // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    ourtoon its not a backwards step only in terms of challenging for the champions league it is however a backwards step in terms of league and competition in that league
    its kind of like man city being in the championship really
    now if he moved to say chelsea or man city that truly is a forward step

  • 95 Tsunki // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    @82

    hmm… well the transfer outlay of a million quid would be a deduction from the current operating years finances, whereas the following 5 years would be a series of separate commitments for each financial term counted against the revenues for those periods. It could be likened to a down payment followed by a series of instalments, and in any commitment of that type there is always the flexibility to dispose of the asset at a price that will offset that commitment, admittedly at a loss or break even, but as likely a profit. Its no more an onerous commitment than buying a house, there is every likelihood that equity exists to compensate for the risk, and you always have to ay for upkeep of any object you ‘own’.

    So in summary, you would hve indeed thrown £1m initially at the investment of ttransferring a player into your club, but wages aren’t an investment, they are a running cost justified against the revenue that the asset (player) perceivably generates. Thats a difficult thing to quantify. Not so simple at all, really.

  • 96 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    John Tudor @88
    “lack of ambition” shown by Ashley.
    Love it, love it, John. Could you just confirm, to make matters clear, how many MILLIONS OF £s you have, personally invested in NUFC, and how many more MILLIONS OF £s you have available to sign, let’s say, Rooney/Messi (get my drift?)
    If you think Mr Ashley has a “lack of ambition”, could you further clarify your thoughts on why he has invested a (rather a lot) of millions of his own money into NUFC, if not to make more money , i.e ambition. You think he wants to throw this money away, perhaps?
    You think life was better under, let’s say, a fat man who’s initials are FS, perhaps? You could take more water with it, mate.

  • 97 Belfast // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:19 PM

    I’m predicting the Cabaye saga to roll on until the last day.

    Couldn’t replace him blah blah blah
    We’ll be active in the summer etc etc.

  • 98 9 // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    Good man, Tsunki @95.
    Doesn’t amount to an argument at all, just a way of spreading the cost around, at which you are quite correct. Pardon me for being the simpleton I am, but have I just committed £1m or £6m? Just asking.

  • 99 Tsunki // Jan 26, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    9 – The answer is in reality £1m. The rest of the cash you may or may not actually spend. The player could go in a year or two and not only will you have only spent £1m or £2m in wages, but when he is transferred out, you will have recouped that, your original investment of £1m and further unknown £m’s in appreciated value. As we will probably be looking at soon with Mr Cabaye.

    In the meantime, the wages you have paid should be offset by incrased revenue from performance, winning matches, higher league position payments, increased TV exposure, more popularity in attendance…

    I’m not trying to be cheeky, I just think that the transfer fee (and especially agents fees) are the only ‘invested’ commitment. Unless you get a real crock and you hang on to him for far too long……….. :)

  • 100 lesh // Jan 27, 2014 at 1:00 AM

    Now now 9 @72 etc, if we sell a player, that player’s wages would have been covered in the annual operating budget and the would have eased the wages part of the budget.

    If we replace the guy we’ve sold and assuming the new player’s to be paid the same wages, then there’s no additional charge to the budget for the period covered by the leaver’s contract.

    Therefore a direct replacement’s wages are offset by the saving on the leaving players wages. Therefore, in a one for one situation, then the impact on the wages budget is tge difference between the two players’ wages.

    Ergo, it’s nit a given that a new player’s wage should be seen as part if the fee paid.

    Now an additional player’s a different matter and yes his wages should be seen as part of the fee.




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