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Newcastle May Have Damaged Their Chances Of Signing Grenier

10:17 am, Saturday, February 1st, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 66 Comments

We are a little concerned about Newcastle’s move for Clement Grenier last week, and the words of his agent Frederic Guerra, who seemed even miffed by the bid Newcastle had put in for his client – which was around half of what Newcastle received from PSG for Yohan Cabaye.

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Clement Grenier – Newcastle may have damaged their chances

This is what Frederic Guerra told the sports website le10sport on Thursday afternoon, after they had told both Newcastle and Lyon that Grenier did not want to move to Newcastle in January:

“Six months out from the World Cup, is a hasty departure just days before the end of the transfer market a good option? It’s not a certainty.”

“The conditions of his departure weren’t creating a favorable context for his development. Clement would be arriving at Newcastle not as Clement Grenier but as a replacement for Yohan Cabaye.”

“I have the greatest respect for the quality of  a player that Cabaye is, deserving of everything that is said about him – however, as Clement Grenier’s agent I am obliged to say: is Clement worth just half what Yohan Cabaye is?”

“Above all the reasons which have led us to decline the offer from Newcastle, the conditions of the deal didn’t seem fair to Clement.”

It’s those last two paragraphs that concern us, and it seems Newcastle were just not willing to pay that little bit extra for Grenier, and maybe one or two million pounds more would have sealed the deal.

But once again Mike Ashley has his own valuation of the player and he rarely goes above that – and this time it means we have no replacement for Yohan Cabaye for half a season.

There’s something wrong with that somehow, and our approach for the player last week may have damaged our chances of getting him in over the summer.

We’ll know soon enough this summer, when Newcastle and Alan Pardew will essentially have to rebuild the side again, and Graham Carr’s scouting will again be paramount on deciding which players Newcastle will go after.

Until then our chances of making Europe this year have been damaged by what happened last week.

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66 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Jail’s too good for Ashley.

  • 2 niafron // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    About Guerra, he is a serious man, and one of the few agents who deserve some respect.

  • 3 HBA Must Stay // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Look! They knew it was never gonna happen! Fatty had to pretend he was gonna replace our star player in order to sell tickets and fill the ground! He had no intention. Of buying trendier!

  • 4 HBA Must Stay // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Grenier!! F11cking auto correct

  • 5 niafron // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Shame for Grenier. A fine player, the best long range free kick specialist we have in France.

  • 6 TorqToon // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Grenier is a strong possibility for a summer move. From people I’ve spoken too, it’s mainly the risk to his WC place and the extra pressure of being ‘the new cabaye’ that put him and his agent off the deal. With sissoko, HBA, gouff, tiote and anita, we still have a very good set of midfielders, Grenier would’ve been the icing on the cake.

    Grenier, Cabella and Siem in the summer??! I wish! :-)

  • 7 TheToonKing // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    we had a chance there to get a player who could be better then Cabaye, if we would have payed a bit more.

    Our chance is gone. He’s to good for us, would have been a coup.

  • 8 colwell // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Its all a massive joke, Cabaye never left at all it was a hoax.

    Lets face it no one in their right mind sells their best,most creative, highest scoring midfield player and doesn’t replace him?

    The manager coming out with Marv and Obertan need to step up is a farce Marv the guy who can’t even make the bench surely is not even a close match to Cabaye and Oba WTF how is he still here? Shola must have told him the secret of a long Toon career even whilst being one of the worst players.

    Can’t wait to see the starting 11 egg will be on our faces, MA is such a little joker.

  • 9 TorqToon // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    And obviously clubs want more money for player transfers in January than in the summer. Which I totally understand.

  • 10 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    What has money to do with his developement?

  • 11 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    The most sensible option would be to recall Abeid and give him a chance. He’s a decent young player who should be in the squad. I’m surprised that we have let Gutierrez go out on loan. I prefer Jonas to Sammi, Gosling and Obertan.

    Cabaye won’t be a big loss as Marveaux can step in. Marveaux is a better technical player and can hurt teams.

  • 12 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    tads…I said their Newcastle career!

  • 13 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Torq…just not as mate ;)

    …we are still the only team to flock players with replacing them before hand!

  • 14 Toon-Barmy // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    I thought yesterdays article about Ben Arfa’s contract was interesting , got me wondering when our other players contracts expire, so I put a list together:

    2014:
    Loic Remy (Loan Expires)
    Luuk De Jong (Loan Expires)
    Shola Ameobi
    Dan Gosling
    Connor Newton
    Jonathan Mitchell
    Michael Richardson
    Steven Logan
    Remie Streete
    Brandon Miele
    Lewis Aird

    2015:
    Hatem Ben Arfa
    Jonas Gutierrez
    Ryan Taylor
    Samuel Ameobi
    James Tavernier
    Jak Alnwick
    Lubo Satka

    2016:
    Fabricio Coloccini
    Davide Santon
    Mike Williamson
    Romain Amalfitano
    Rob Elliot
    Sylvain Marveaux
    Gabriel Obertan
    Steven Taylor
    Haris Vuckic
    Shane Ferguson
    Mehdi Abeid
    Kevin Mbabu
    Alex Gilliead

    2017:
    Tim Krul
    Vurnon Anita
    Papiss Cisse
    Yoan Gouffran
    Cheick Tiote
    Paul Dummett (Option to extend)
    Gael Bigirimana

    2018:
    Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
    Massadio Haidara
    Mathieu Debuchy
    Curtis Good

    2019:
    Moussa Sissoko

    TBC:
    Adam Campbell

  • 15 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    *with out

  • 16 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    We’ve only got 5 quality midfielders now and we should have 8/9. Marveaux, Sissoko, Anita, Tiote and Ben Arfa are the only competent midfielders that we have. I class Goufrran as a striker. We have Remy, De Jong, Cisse and Goufrran which is good enough for the time being. Central defense is a concern. We need at least 2 centre backs, 3 midfielders and 2/3 strikers signed in the summer.

  • 17 beefman13 // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Oops sounded like inspector clouseau in thar previous post Haha.

    We are ringing every last drop of sweat out of our current team, yea we are safe but im deflated as we could really push on and he is more worried about spreadsheets than the fans, he is an unsavoury horror of a character like JFK. Just go forth and multiply mr money bags!

  • 18 stan anderson // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Latest hot off the press transfer news,JFK in Barcelona in a last minute attempt to get Messi over the line before the window shuts.
    Apparently thought it was a leap year and the extra day was added on to January,32nd of Jan.2014.
    The Spaniards have put him in the funny farm.

  • 19 ArtyH // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    We as a club are loosing the respect we once had due to the barrow boy mentality of the owner. As has been said before its time for change. Any supporter buying a season ticket and thinks he or she is supporting the team, think long and hard about it, you are just paying for Ashley’s gambling habits and he is laughing at you all the way to the bank, he does not care about us or the team! All he cares about is a place in the EPL so he can screw as much money out of the club as possible, IMHO after supporting the club for over 50 years I have had enough now. My support will resume when this regime changes. In short I am well pi$$ed off.

  • 20 ebol // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Hi Ed. Bit late with this but great news re the latest health update. Great blog, never comment but on it every day.

    From one of your earliest readers.

  • 21 niafron // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Not optimistic for Grenier.

    Lyon is now coming back to the top of the charts at Rocket speed. It’s mainly due to the association of Grenier and Groucuff (people say Lyon got the 4G for Grenier, GOurcuff, Gomis and Gonalons and even the 5G with coach Garde!).

    If he continue like that, either they extend his contract, either a big fish will make an offer for him.

    Furthermore, you can’t make any prediction the year of a world cup.

  • 22 beermonkey // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    @16
    whats the point in giving pards all them midfielders
    he only ever plays the same 11 week in week out

  • 23 JP...from The Rock // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    With the world cup this summer it will be even harder to get players over the line as all the attention will be to do well in the tournament and not be distracted by which club to move to.

    Many players will also think that if they do really well in the World Cup then they can get a bigger and better move than Newcastle for example :(

    We shot ourselves in the foot again and Ashley is as tight as they come. Disgusting way to manager a ‘football’ club were money always comes first! It will take us at least 10 years to get near the CL at this rate.

    Every time we get a near good enough squad to take us there we are instantly left with holes in the team to cover for our key players departure.

    Do you guys actually think we will get at least 4-5 players in the summer to take us to the next level?

    1- Strolla needs replacing – finally
    2- Demba Ba needs replacing
    3- Cabaye needs replacing
    4- Gutierrez needs replacing
    5 Coloccini needs replacing
    etc…

    We’re fcuked as Ashley won’t spend more than £10M on one World Class player, and in a World Cup year we will find it even harder to attract anyone now!

    Fcuking fools running this club know nowt about football!

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    niafron…sometimes one has got to asking himself why not other club came in with a bit for either Cabella or Grenier?

    …I don’t doubt their talent, but maybe just maybe it’s because other clubs don’t value them as high as thier own club?

    My problem with Newcastle is that if we are not willing to do the work in January what makes us think they are in the summer? We going to have to replace oh so many more players then (is that really going to happen?)

    I know where my money are ;)

  • 25 JP...from The Rock // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Oh and that’s without thinking about extending HBA’s contract and all that.

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    *ask

  • 27 Tsunki // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    LOUD NOISES!

  • 28 stan anderson // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    I predict a RIOT

  • 29 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    JP…are we even sure Benny would want to extend his contract?

  • 30 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 1, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Ibiza…says I am not allowed to stir up a riot ;)

    …but someone needs to wake this sleeping giant…people are too worried about their own situation, season tickets and so on.

    If we want change we have to willig to put something on the line…or else we are jjst plastic fans (and from my time on here I know most of you guys are not plastic fans)

  • 31 wynsleap // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    £60m TV money, £20m Cabaye money, Wonga cash, Season ticket money, merchandising revenue allied to staff cuts, low wages and never a signing in transfer windows.
    And it can all be done again next season.
    That’s some gravy train that Ashley’s riding!

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    tads – if still about

    I still think top 6 is a possibility, not that high, but a possibility.

    We could play remy and de jong…even gouff to as front 3 (gouf and remy either side)….have hba behind with tiote and anita sitting.

    We also have sammy who looked good at norwich, he can do it against those level of teams if not the top ones.

    Then marv should (but won’t) get given a chance t osave his career here and be given some responsibility he seems to want.

    The loss of cabaye with no replacement has harmed our chances of top 6, but still think we have a chance, even top 7 could get us europe.

  • 33 Toonfan8 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    if Pardew has any guts, he will start LDJ upfront….
    ……….anita……..tiote…………
    hba……..sissoko…….goofy(sammy)
    ……………..LDJ………………….

  • 34 phatt knacker // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Where is the pride boys?

    What ever has happend ( or not happend ) in transfer market has to be left till after the match.
    Today is all about remebering it could be worse we could of be born mackems!!!!!!

    TOON TOON

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    As for today’s game I’m going for a 4-0 home win….stuff them, they are due it.

  • 36 niafron // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    @Jesper

    We don’t have enough money to sign top stars, so we have to be smart and to sign players before they got an high value on the market.

    So i fear we missed an opportunity for Grenier.

  • 37 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    When we sold Carroll we got players in quite quickly in the summer window just got to hope that we will do the same

    There is a fair few players that are going to be available but looking at the prices that we are going to have to pay do we think Ashley is really going to fund the following (just for example)

    De Jong – 8.5
    Remy – 10
    Siem De Jong/Gremier – 10 million plus
    Bosman eg Ince / Gomis – Free
    Manolas – 6 million

    Thats the type of revamp we need next season are we really going to spend over 30 million?

    I seriously doubt it

  • 38 Greebol1892 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Get real – strolla is going nowhere. All our managers have loved and still love him. I can’t knock the lad but it’s bamboozled me how anyone cannot see how the lad is not a footballer. Great penalty-taker – that’s it!
    Geordie mackem-slayer? Gimme a break!

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    greebol

    i think shola will move onto a championship club come the summer, possibly boro

  • 40 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    Shola has not done anything against the Mackems in just under 2 seasons if he does nothing today then he needs to be stripped of his title as “The Mackem slayer”

  • 41 niafron // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    @phatt

    It happened that there is 2 hours left before the game and we need a subject to talk about.

  • 42 JP...from The Rock // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Jesper – Exactly!! :( We’re going nowhere with this tight twat Ashley. We are quickly becoming the new Aston Villa or what Everton have been all these years, a mid-table club. Look at them now and that’s ambition for ya. Or even better look at Spurs and how far they’ve come when we were on par with them only a couple of years back.

    It all makes me sick!

  • 43 jazzyp // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Santon
    We have just sold Cabs for £20 mill plus it looks more than likely Cisse’s gone in the summer for around £7-8 mill+Gutti to Norwich for £3 mill.So Ashley would not have to outlay any money for your chosen players

  • 44 JP...from The Rock // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    Greebol1892 – Well said!! And we’ll no doubt see that fool ‘start’ the match! Lord help us, you know we need all the help we can get. :(

  • 45 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    I,ve been left with the same empty feeling i had when BA left and to less of an extent Carroll although the 35Mil for Carroll helped to fill that empty feeling !

    It is just typical of the clowns running our club. Cabaye was the rock upon which more or less almost the whole team was built, sold but not replaced? Has a familiar sound to it eh?

    While De Jong was a good player a few years back for FC Twente in the Dutch League, he was a flop in Germany with Boroussia, spending more time injured or on the bench surplus to requirements.
    Plus we only have him until the end of the Season? Remy could feasibly be in Jail by the end of February? Which will leave us with ????? as a striker? Shola? Oh and Cisse who we wanted to sell for the whole window?

    I predict that De Jong will debut against the Scum today and be prompyly kicked off the Park to be added to our list of long term injuries? I pray i am wrong and that he does a Papiss and starts scoring for fun, I,ve been very wrong before and will be again? Watch this space!

    With our playmaker gone and no replacement on the horizon i see a slipery slope down the table in the next 7 or 8 weeks !

    All part of being a Mag, i suppose ! Gawd help us!

  • 46 Greebol1892 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    TS

    Strolla seems to be right up there in AP’s
    plans and is getting gametime. I would be astounded if he leaves before seeing out his retirement with us.

  • 47 yo-yo // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Outlay on players is not lost money it is investment.

  • 48 Lu-toon // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    I cannot believe that some of us are thinking that players like Marvs and Oberton can fill the void left by Cabayes departure. They have had their chance and on plenty of occasions. Let’s keep it simple, if either were capable of playing like Cabaye then they would constantly be in the shop window for 15-20 Million every window.
    I can understand peoples wishful thinking though as we are all united for the Toon.
    Following our clubs is always about dreaming and believing, but sadly following the toon has us dreaming and wishful thinking more than most sets of fans, firstly because of our trophy drought, and secondly because just when we think we are on the crest of something exiting it gets taken away from us.
    Personally I have been confused with my own views on our clubs hierarchy.
    We are certainly in a lot better position than we have been for a long time, and that is down to the way the club is set up and our vision with players brought in.
    But for every bit of hope I have had it has had me in despair just as equally.
    I do sadly believe now that we were targeted by Ashely. An undoubted incredible business man who seen NUFC as the perfect club to exploit.
    A massive club for him to propel his own business and wealth onto a different level. A club that will be full to the rafters every home game no matter what, a club with the best supporters in the land if not the world, who will not demand success in the way of trophy’s won, only in the way our team entertains us.
    Of coarse he cares, because it’s his way of increasing his vast wealth, but now he has his plan comfortably in place, we are making money, not losing it, he will sit comfortable and at peace now and watch the millions roll in, and if he gets lucky along the way, then that’s just an added bonus for him.
    I guess that’s our club, always has been, and will be for the foreseeable, one big roller coaster.
    C’mon the toon today! Please Benny shine for us in that free role your talent deserve

  • 49 jazzyp // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Newexpat
    Come on mate cheer up.We proved there is life after Cabs Tuesday against Norwich.We created more chances than ever before, And with a bit of luck could have been out of site by half time
    I agree the CF position is a worry as I would be surprised if remy is here come next season. Shola put to pasture and cisse looking like he will be sold which leaves us de jong. But hey lets give the lad a chance pal shall we………..he’s not even kicked a ball for us yet and people are writing him off

  • 50 jimmysmith // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Hey, isn’t it kick off in an hour. Let’s get this show on the road, Ed!

  • 51 wolfshead@toon // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    as johnny rotten once said ‘ever felt you’ve been cheated’

  • 52 jimmysmith // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Where’s Dennis Twice when you need him?

  • 53 jazzyp // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Well im going for 3-1 to the Toon……….Secrets bar anyone

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Jazzy
    A 0-0 after spurning numerous chances against one of the worst teams in the league who are also woefully out of form dies not prove we can cope without
    You think with out Cabaye we will be able to see that lightning quick counter play we’ve done do well with this season?
    Or boss a midfield against Chelski Fool Utd like we have done?

    No chance, if Marv Benny Sammy HBA or Obertan had the ability to play like that they would already be in the squad

    Were bringing through some of the fringe players to plug the gaps and keep us floating around mid table
    Christ knows what the ambitions for the summer are

  • 55 Toon1978 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    Dont know bout you lads but i detest derby day. I would rather do without it. To much riding on this result.

  • 56 hatem786 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    Kinnear said: “Of course it is disappointing that Yohan Cabaye has moved on after two and a half seasons at St James’ Park.

    “We didn’t want to sell him, make no bones about that, but Yohan made it very clear to us that the opportunity of playing Champions League football and being part of the sporting project at PSG was something he wanted.

    “On that basis, we felt that if we received an acceptable bid for him, then it was the right decision for the club to do business.

    “Yohan benefitted hugely from his time with us. He flourished as a player and his move to PSG comes as a result of the performances he put in during his time at the club.

    “But for us, now is the time to look forward, not back. We have a number of highly talented midfielders within our ranks.”

  • 57 beefman13 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    Gets his bit back and then sell on, take the mob who u employ with you, it has left a nasty taste yet again in my mouth, al put you over the line you git. cant believe i feel flat as a fart with the greatest match less than an hour away.

  • 58 hatem786 // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    I hate mother f…. Jk

  • 59 JAMSHA // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    JUST WOKE UP… AN IM PUMPED UP …. IM GONA DESTROY THE SCUMS 20-0 TO NEWCASTLE ….. HOWAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS LADSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ….

  • 60 Bambams // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    The biggest worry i think we have is soon we will not be able to attract players. Clubs like Southampton, Stoke, Everton, Villa will all be more attractive to players simply because we show no ambition.

    Agents might sell us as a stepping stone but are we really going to be able to find the right players and keep the ones we have with this style of ownership/management.

  • 61 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    @SkyFootball: #NUFC XI to face #SAFC Krul; Debuchy, Williamson, S.Taylor, Santon; Tiote Sissoko, Anita; Ben Arfa, Shola Ameobi, Sammy Ameobi #SkyFootball

    Oh yeah we didn’t need to strengthen at all this window
    Good stuff JFK

  • 62 mag // Feb 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    The great Grenier that nobody’s heard of good riddance. The club should look for better players such as De jongs brother. The Mags should have too much for the labouring Mackems so it’s 2-1 and dozy Pardew too break his Poyet hoodoo!

  • 63 toonmccallum // Feb 1, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    People are right Marv isn’t a straight replacement for caybe , and the only thing Obertan offers to the team is pace. However Marv does give an creative option and has good vision. I think this should be the team today

    —————–krul—————
    Deb. Willo. YMBW. Santon
    Check Anita

    Sissoko
    Marv. Ben

    Luuk

  • 64 toonmccallum // Feb 1, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    People are right Marv isn’t a straight replacement for caybe , and the only thing Obertan offers to the team is pace. However Marv does give an creative option and has good vision. I think this should be the team today

    —————–krul—————
    —Deb.—Willo.—–YMBW——Santon
    ———-Check Anita

    ————-Sissoko
    ——–Marv——–Ben

    —————-Luuk

  • 65 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    @49:

    Like i said i,ve been wide of the mark before and hope i am this time too ?

    Three points this afternoon will help!

  • 66 LocalZero // Feb 1, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Come on Ed, it’s not the agent that decides the player’s valuation. Who cares if he (probably rightly) thinks grenier is worth more than half a Cabaye. I really hope we get him in the summer but since he ‘doesn’t know where Newcastle is’ and he’s obviously a great player, I have my doubts.




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