You can criticize Alan Pardew all you like about his coaching, and for being completely out-coached by Gus Poyet today, for the fourth successive time, but let’s not go after Pardew for Yohan Cabaye’s departure – that was all the doing of owner Mike Ashley and his Director of Football Joe Kinnear – and Mike pulls all the strings on transfers into and out of the club.
Ashley and Kinnear – Ashley makes all transfer decisions
So after the game today why should the Newcastle manager answer questions on Yohan Cabaye, when the last thing Pardew wanted was to lose his very best player.
It’s done now, and there’s no going back – and Newcastle have to move on – and really the only person who should be answering questions about this is the owner – maybe through his cohort and conduit – Joe Kinnear.
This is what Alan Pardew said after the game:
“Listen, when you lose a player of Cabaye’s class, you want a replacement. But he didn’t arrive and I have to accept what was in my kitty today and going forward.”
“I have to try to get the best out of the group I have got. Loic Remy was a big loss today because we created chances, but there was a lack of conviction in our finishing today which he certainly doesn’t lack, and he was a big loss today.”
“For me standing on the sideline today with a team where we were, it would have been nice to have had a player to give us a boost for the second half of the season, but he didn’t arrive.
“What else can I say? You can keep asking the question and re-phrasing it, and I have answered it.
Newcastle fans are rightly furious with the events in the transfer market of last week, and even more upset now with the pathetic performance of the side today agisnt Sunderland – maybe the worst ever humiliation against Sunderland.
It was Mike Ashley who decided to sell Cabaye for a decent price, and then wouldn’t pay out the money to get Clement Grenier from Lyon through the door.
And it seems Newcastle could have difficulty getting him in during the summer, because we think he was more than miffed at Newcastle’s low offer for him.
Mike Ashley is really the only person responsible for selling Yohan Cabaye, and the person who wouldn’t pay the going rate to get in Clement Grenier, who would have been an excellent replacement for Yohan.
Let’s not blame Pardew for the Cabaye deal and not wanting to even talk about it – because he had absolutely nothing to do with it.
We need to hear from Mike Ashley – but we all know there’s a fat chance of that happening.
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212 comments so far
Himanshu Dhingra
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM
Comment #81Belfast
It was reported that Haidara was offered to Saint etienne and Marveaux to Rennes.
On NUFC.com too
jimiley
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:58 PM
Comment #82Great to see at last that so many have called it a day til Mashers has gone. I hope the next gate is under 40K. I hope the tight git season ticket holders have better things to do on a Sat afternoon.
toonarmydownsouth
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:58 PM
Comment #83Ancient
GFN confirmed that several clubs in ligue 1 had confirmed they had been offered Marv and Haidara
Now i can’t remember if they were offered as loans or transfers but given we have 3 LB’s and JFK has sounded off about British talent would it surprise you to see the club fast track Dummett over Haidara?
JB
Why?
Look at the strange fringe player subs over the last 2 months before the window opened
JackButler
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM
Comment #84tads
If that is true about Haidara and Marveuax being offered around and taking into account we have spent nothing for a year and sold Cabaye, could this be the start of asset stripping before a sale???
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM
Comment #85im angry now
Rotonda heights
Feb 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM
Comment #86manx
you never mention the 12th and 16th place finishes. why is that?
Oleg G
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:00 PM
Comment #87B & B
But as long as Ashley is here, no Gus Poyet will come here.
toonarmydownsouth
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:00 PM
Comment #88BPC
De Jong was hardly ripping it up mate, showed that he hadn’t played a run of games for a while
Which is the main concern many were expressing with him being our only signing
Big Pappa Cissé
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM
Comment #89Poyet could do wonders with our team
jimiley
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM
Comment #90Big pappa,
The team is irrelevant until Mashers is gone. We are safe. I hope we lose every game this season and nobody goes to the games and Mashers goes in May. The team and the results are irrelevant until he has gone. Team selection is a sideshow.
mearlam
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Comment #91i think the players read sites like these to see if they are liked etc.
today they looked like they couldn’t be arsed and i dont blame them.
they have a boss who has no interest in winning anything, we will only get people who do a job.
supporting nufc at the moment is a complete waste of time unfortunately. sooner that fat c * * t is gone the better.
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Comment #92course it is i hope he chokes on his lobster thermidor
Ancientcoptic
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Comment #93toonarmydownsouth – Ben Arfa created five chances, playing from a deep central position too, that is the biggest attacking contribution out of all of our players.
I do not have the stats for pass completion, but I would be willing to bet that Ben Arfa was in our top 3.
Rotonda heights
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Comment #94Big Papa
spot on
anyone with a bit of imagination would have gone that route.
Shola for 90 mins and Taylor instead of MYM was a suicide note
manxpie
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Comment #95jack
who does wat as you listed is down to the manager!
wat does the manager have to work with is down to the owner and jfk
now who makes anita make a silly challenge in the box
who makes santon not use his left foot in a tackle to save a goal
who makes remy be very greedy
who makes debuchy make a 2 footed tackle
who makes krul flap at crosses
i could go on and on and on fella
but you pointing the finger at and blaming such things on 1 person, who, in all things concidered has done well
makes you look stupid
how about you put your anger and finger pointing at the man that deserves it!!
Charlie in the Gallowgate
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Comment #96First time in a derby I expected to get nowt at home only had two players on the team that had scored before today
Someone mentioned scum play from the back and we let them.
Know wonder when who have HBA, Sammi and Shola – haven’t got a clue how to close people down and haven’t got a tackle in them.
Taylor waste of space, debuchy had a shocker
Mind you the whole team were sh**s
MOM no one all clucless and we were that bad didn’t need any tactics to beat us.
toonarmydownsouth
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Comment #97JB
Maybe or maybe he’s just squeezing every bloody penny he can and getting running costs to a bare minimum
Oleg G
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Comment #98If there is a plan to sell as many players to prepare for a sale, it should be illegal!
An owner can just destroy the qhole squad and sell? That is crazy!
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Comment #99you must not say that ji8m
Big Pappa Cissé
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:04 PM
Comment #100@ tads
I would rather put my money on De Jong (who isn’t match fit) than Shola any day of the week .
The only way someone is going to get match fit is…………….. you guessed it playing matches .
toonarmydownsouth
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM
Comment #101Ancient
He probably was on the top 3, post the stats if you want, we didn’t have any really clear cut chances it was scrappy all over
I get that some are avid HBA supporters but I thought he looked as poor as the rest
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM
Comment #102to return to i wantmynadsback
manxpie
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM
Comment #103well rotonda maybe because 1 was half a season and his first and the 16th was for the reasons i’m highlighting!!
but its ok for you to slag him off without mentioning the good 1’s hey??
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM
Comment #104anyone see ashley or sh1theed there
JackButler
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:07 PM
Comment #105manxpie
As I have explained to you on countless times, though it seems that you are intent on ignoring it, I’m blame the lot of them, Ashley, Kinnear AND Pardew. They are all culpable.
As I have explained to you on countless times, though it seems that you are intent on ignoring it, I’m blame the lot of them, Ashley, Kinnear AND Pardew. They are all culpable.
And that is not an error I’ve simply put it on twice in the hope that it will finally sink in with you
Himanshu Dhingra
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:07 PM
Comment #106No derby victory for NUFC for 3 years at least
stuart no9
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:07 PM
Comment #107MANX – your not just in a differant country , your on another planet bonny lad.
Nippon77
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Comment #108I dont personally blame Pardew at all, i think hes done an ok job considering what he has to put up with, JK said “Judge me on my transfers”, well signing noone certainly lets him off the hook with that. And lets not forget the king of not giving a ****, MA.
Stick a decent owner in with a clear goal of champion league football and willing to spend money in the sense that Pards can actually start at the beginning of a window, to get players in instead of relying on JK to wait till the last minute and get nothing.
Alan Pardew takes a lot of shit for basically working with what he is provided and vaguely any input, hes not the enemy here, no manager likes losing games, and no decent chairman that is actually football orientated lets there best player go with no intent of increasing a squads potential.
Laurent Robert 32
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Comment #109Any trouble and violence after the game is for idiots and attaching it to football is just an excuse to what they’d want to be up to.
John Tudor
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Comment #110ashley is taking stock and selling it
badman
GeordieTwo
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Comment #111“A raft of alleged international players not only showed little appetite and no desire to chase lost causes, but also a criminal lack of commitment and talent. Poor decision-making across a jittery back four was echoed by bone-headed attempts at crossing and passing, while the departure of our dead ball expert made free kicks and corners a total waste of time.”
Have to agree with all of this. From NUFC.com
manxpie
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM
Comment #112blackley well i don’t believe at all you were there today so i couldn’t give a shit lad
but i do know wat i hear and that is pardews bellowing voice!!
toon kk
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM
Comment #113I posted yesterday we would get ripped apart, there’s a number of reasons we could do with a better manager, he would just replaced by another yes man. Mashley just thinks of money not the club, jfk is like my ars. But there’s one MASSIVE problem and that’s the foolish fans paying MA to watch shit they complain how the club is being run but they feed the problem by turning up in their thousands. Mash could get kids off the street and people would pay him to watch them.
I understand we all support our club but unless people keep away MA is here to stay, and if he does I really fear for Newcastle in the long term.
Shadow_Shearer
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:12 PM
Comment #114Pardew should really take some serious consideration on walking out, as fat boy is taking da piss, not only out of him, but also out of all the newcastle fans.
If he was 2 finish in a good position by end of season like anywhere in top 8, and play decent football, he won’t have a problem finding another job. Ppl will understand he walked out cause ashley treated him like crap. Were as if he left end of last season in 16th, nobody would take him on. He should walk while he’s at the top of his game. It’s only gonna get harder for Pardew as we’re a selling club with no ambition.
Taking the Papiss
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:12 PM
Comment #115Just got back from my 600 mile round trip to see the game.
There was only one good thing about today and that is that with some match practice I think de Jong will be a success. He fluffed a couple today but he just didn’t take the shot early enough. He tried and had some good movement and touches. When he is up front with remy instead of shola I think he will be dangerous.
In terms of assigning blame, pards got it wrong today but he was badly let down by the team and the board. You could see yesterday how much he wanted grenier and the board did not deliver. That’s why all those that are clamouring for pardew to go need to get real, we are 8 and he is working under totally ridiculous restrictions. Today he had no choice but to start with both ameobis, no disrespect to th but it isn’t good enough. Ben arfa was also a total disgrace and I hope those that were saying that he just needed a full 90 to influence a game now realise why he is on the bench. He went missing he didn’t release the ball when he did have it and when he tried to his passing was sloppy. He was also directly responsible for the third goal.
As much as people whinge about him, I would much rather have sissoko shifted inside and have hutierrez on the wing at least he gives it his all. Marveaux didn’t have a huge punt of time but he has the exact same problems as Ben arfa but with far less talent.
GeordieTwo
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM
Comment #116“Here’s another stat: in four games when they faced each other in the dugout, it’s Poyet 4 Pardew 0. Sadly lacking in tactical prowess, the United boss again demonstrated that his motivational qualities are as poor for derby matches as for cup ties. God alone knows what those next to him on the bench bring to the party.”
Another little tidbit from the same source. 😳
Uncertain Toon
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM
Comment #117Maybe Pardew is trying to get sacked so he gets some compo!
Maybe it’s all part of the cockney mafia plan.
Pardew sacked, JFK runs team till summer then fatty sells up!
Some of the foreign lads value could shoot up if they have a good world cup.
TV money last year and this, coupled with half a dozen internationals out the door should get his loans back surely?
Fellas he could be gone in the summer!
Light at the end of the tunnel, where’s that bottle of asti spumante i’ve been saving for a special occasion!!!
Charlie in the Gallowgate
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM
Comment #118PLAYER RATINGS from Yahoo sport
Newcastle: Krul 5; Debuchy 3, Williamson 3, S.Taylor 4, Santon 3; Tiote 5, Sissoko 4, Anita 4; Ben Arfa 4, Shola Ameobi 4, Sammy Ameobi 3…subs: Dummett 3, Marveaux 4, De Jong 5
Them: Mannone 7, Bardsley 7, Alonso 7, Brown 7, O’Shea 7, Bridcutt 7, Colback 8, Ki 7, Johnson 8, Borini 7, Altidore 7..s
ubs: Larsson 6, Gardner 6
Sums up our performance
GeordieTwo
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM
Comment #119Anybody not sickened by now must have a cast iron stomach
boater
Feb 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM
Comment #120Big Pappa Cisse.. what on God’s green earth are you on about? He gets constant stick from every angle on every thread without reprieve. Keep punching your easy targets mate it might make you help you release some testosterone, but it comes across as ranting angry jibberish.
Shola did well earlier in the season in a target role, plus there was no Gouffran, Remy or Cisse and De Jong has barley kicked a ball this calendar year. Shola wasn’t going to score but he gives us an outball – with a supporting midfield that’s worked this season. But given Anita, Tiote and Sissoko’s complete lack of potency in the opposition half it was left to Arfa – who as usual tried to win the game on his own.
All sorts of subliterate vitriol as per usual on here aimed at Pardew and other easy targets. I can’t see what he could have done differently today in picking the best team from what he had. He also made the point when Cabaye left in no uncertain terms that he needed to be replaced this window.