Three Derby Defeats In A Row And It Can Get Even Worse


It’s the first time in 91 years since Newcastle have lost three derby games to Sunderland on the trot – and anybody who saw the game yesterday – where Sunderland were once again dominant at St. James Park by a score of 3-0 –  doesn’t necessarily think  that run will end there.

We’re not exactly looking forward to our games with Sunderland next year – if the managers at the two clubs remain  the same – which is likely.

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Alan Pardew yesterday – a shambles

For the last three  games against Newcastle, Sunderland played this game as though it was a derby game, and Newcastle haven’t.

Last year when we lost 3-0 we had the excuse of having just finished our Europa League campaign, but this time it was Sunderland who had been playing two games a week because of their two good Cup runs, and they hardly looked tired or jaded – just the opposite in fact.

As long as Gus Poyet remains manager of Sunderland and Alan Pardew remains  manager of Newcastle, the likelihood is that Sunderland will  get the better of Newcastle.

And that’s because Gus Poyet again got the better of Alan Pardew in the coaching stakes for the fourth time running – twice when he was manager at Brighton and then when he’s been manager of Sunderland this season.

And Gus is in his first season and he’s already done the double over Newcastle and the Black Cats have won six of their  last eight games and have 10 points from their last four league games – three wins and a draw.

And they are now in 14th position on 24 points, but still only 2 points above the drop zone, with Cardiff City and West Ham winning yesterday too.

Newcastle may still finish higher up than Sunderland in the league table this season – they are 13 points behind us – but with Sunderland in the Capital One Cup Final, Newcastle cannot claim to be the best team in the north-east.

What Newcastle players and coaches have got to do now is to get their heads down in training, and in the final 14 games of the season pay back the Newcastle fans for these humiliations they keep allowing against Sunderland, which are getting to be regular events these days.

There’s still time to turn things around – and we don’t play Sunderland again this season.

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21 comments so far

  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    Comment #1

    The entire team on the pitch didn’t even play it yesterday like it was a Derby.

    Pardew has to take the blame solely for that.

    But Ashley is the bigger problem. We need some sort of protest or whatever.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:33 AM

    Comment #2

    Repost.
    Slank,The big business we had in the summer we went on to finish fifth improved the squad but didn’t strengthen it as every player that came in a player in that position went the other way, last January addressed the problem of being five players short but the good work has been undone as five players have since left, there simply has to be big business in the summer but it will only be replace departing players, how quickly they will settle is a big risk as you can pretty much guarantee they won’t be bringing any PL experience with them.

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  • valle

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:35 AM

    Comment #3

    I really hope Ahsley is getting the finances in order to sell us this summer and focus on making life a missery for Rangers.

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  • DIRTY MAG

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:37 AM

    Comment #4

    I feel sick

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  • Crawley80

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:40 AM

    Comment #5

    We were just embarrassing yesterday but we’ve got to move on (somehow). If our whole team was based around Cabaye then we’re fu*ked!

    I think Santon if an awful footballer particularly at left back and would love to see Dummett given a long run, he did so much better than Santon did and he was only on for a short period (plus he nailed Bardsley which was then only highlight of the game for me, bit of passion which we needed from the kick off)

    My team vs Chelsea (if fit)

    Krul
    Debu
    Willo
    Mbiwa
    Dumm
    HBA or Gouffy
    Tiote
    Marv
    Siss
    Cisse
    De Jong

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #6

    crawley80

    deffo change the team – just about safe!!!! – need to give fringe players a run in the team to see if they are up to it –
    Dummet
    Mbiwa
    HBA
    Marvo

    So with Eds comments does that mean if Pardew won every game but lost both to Sunderland he should be sacked

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:48 AM

    Comment #7

    Tads…crack me up! Last night he told me Løvenkrands had said Pardew was tactically the best manager he had ever had 🙂

    …now that was a good one lol

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #8

    So will Sunday be a good day to walk?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #9

    What I’m still trying to work out is how has gus poyet managed to get his bunch of mic fits actually playing a decent passing game where they create genuine chances and Pardew can’t get our team of full internationals able to do the same?

    The frustrating thing is we do play with drive and purpose on the odd occasion, fist half west ham and norwich spring to mind from recent weeks but then we suddenly change how we play and drop way to deep, leaving the striker 40 yards away from the team.

    Now this is either tactical by the manager, which is poor or it is happening and he cannot prevent it, which is also poor management (given it’s happened over his 3 years, its not just a one off).

    Now I’m not saying pardew is entirely to blame, Ashley hasn’t provided him with enough quality in depth but he still has players like anita, tiote, sissoko, ben arfa…why can’t he get them passing the ball well and with purpose going forward on a consistent basis?

    -Why is santon taking set pieces?
    -Why is santon starting every game when he has had to be subbed in the last 6/7 matches?
    -why has marv not featured even for the odd 10/15mins when we knew cabaye had the chance to leave

    too many questions which shouldn’t need to be asked

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  • Lu-toon

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #10

    Repost
    Sorry, but unbelievable, some guys are still saying, that they hope to bring in a few players of this type or that type.
    Open your eyes guys. Signings if any, will only be loans, or if things are going very bad on the pitch, then emergency buys.
    NUFC is driftwood. NUFC is geared towards expansion of SD
    If it is not plain enough for some to see, then just do a little research and you will see a very worrying trend of how many shares cashley has brought of late, and its all on the back of him promoting SD for free at St James Park.
    A good business man (pains me to say it) will almost always use someone else’s money to expand his own wealth

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #11

    Wasn’t tactics that lost us the game.
    We were just F***in USELESS – no one put their ‘lives on the line’ for the shirt yesterday
    They wanted it more than us and showed it. WE didn’t tackle, pass, close down, move.
    They’ll be Sunday morning teams playing that will show more for their club than the shower that turned out yesterday

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  • I-Am-Ahab

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #12

    Like the team @5 … Never been able to understand why Santon is played on the left… Is that his preference? Would like to see Cisse start in a 4-5-1 with Marv in middle give him a crack at 10 don’t think de jong is ready to start yet… Hope the lads can dust themselves off and stick it Jose and Chelsea

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #13

    I think it’s time to say to players like marv, hba, mbiwa, dummet…show me what you have, we’ve seen others, we are safe in top ten so show me you deserve a place before we rebuild in the summer.

    I’d pick

    krul
    debuchy, willo, mbiwa, dummet
    anita, tiote, marv
    ben arfa, de jong, gouff

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #14

    charlie

    the passion and work wasn’t there from our boys yesterday at all, 100% agree they should take a lot of the flack

    but this is systematic of what we do too often, we afford these ‘lesser’ teams way too much time and space and are always sloppy with the ball and our slow build up which lets them organise their defence.

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  • John Tudor

    Feb 2, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #15

    and like numpty parthump is going to drop his tried and tested out of form individuals .dream on

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  • theartfuldodger

    Feb 2, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #16

    Assuming we are at around 45 points after game 30 and almost surely safe, I dont see any reason why fans should attend matches.
    Acc to ashley season is over. Theres no need to support the lads. They arent targetting anything. You dont really loose anything(except money paid by ST holders)

    That should teach ashley a lesson.
    He doesent care, nor do we. Beware ST sales will drop too.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Feb 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #17

    Transfer
    Why oh why did we go back to hoofball only reaso I can think of is that big useless muppet Ameobi was playing up front.

    In the last two months we have changed to playing on the deck from the back keeping a high line and pressing the opposition in their half played West Ham, Norwich and Crystal Palace off the park (teams around the Scum) came close to getting results against Arsenal and Man City.

    So why change!!!!!!

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 2, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #18

    TS,
    Rebiuld,
    The only players coming in this summer will be cheaper replacements of those that leave, the team will be assessed in January if we are looking ropey then the squad will be strengthened, if we are sitting pretty Tiote will be sold in the last week of the window.

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  • cestriasteve

    Feb 2, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #19

    Mike Ashley will only spend some money if we need keeping in the EPL the position becomes less relevant now that the tv money becomes bigger. I think any desire he had for football evaporated when we (quite rightly) started to give him grief. To him our passion for football is irrelevant.

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  • nufcusa

    Feb 2, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #20

    Why are people putting dummett ahead of Haidara? Haidara is more athletic and better in the ball.

    Also, safc may of beaten us twice but to be the best team you judge that over 38 games. If Man U beat man city but city still win the league then they are still the best team.

    The overreaction on this board is incredible. And I don’t just mean about the game yesterday. Every defeat and every bad performance is the end of the world.

    Face facts – we are an AVERAGE team with owners with no ambition and a manager who does not seem to fight that. Instead he lauds his own personal achievements of building teams that do what we do and occasionally claim a scalp.

    As long as that continues the surprise that is shown when we lose is imaginary. We will continue to flatter to decieve and will simply exist rather than have a purposeful agenda fir sustained success.

    However once the 11 lads are on the pitch, either support or don’t. But if you don’t then u lose your right to complain or enjoy any fleeting success.

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  • DAVEMAC

    Feb 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #21

    Never been on this site before but after yesterdays mauling felt I had to make some comments. Followed NUFC for 61 years and never have I seen anything like the two last home derby’s where NU were totally outplayed, outclassed, outfought by SAFC and were a disgrace to the club. Yesterdays defeat was to an average team made to look like world beaters as we were so poor. GP has transformed his average players into good players by deft man management, something that AP does not appear to be able to do. I forecast this defeat well in advance of the game as you could see the difference in the way the two teams approached each game they played. MOM yesterday none I usually do vote even when there is a poor show all round, but yesterday there was not one NU player who was worthy of such an accolade.

    The club as whole has no future, other than being a feeder club to the bigger more ambitious European and English clubs. Only so called big signings will be on loan, so not proper signings, again showing lack of ambition. No doubt at all that Remy is gone in the summer and if de Jong has any sort of success he also will depart as he is only using NU as a shop window to find a better employer.

    When MA bought the club I must admit I thought it was a positive move for us but how wrong I was. Didnt like DL but at least he showed his disgust at JK’s appoinment by refusing to work with him and walking. Two really terrible appointments by MA , JK and Dennis Wise, who wants people like that being associated with their club. No doubt MA has righted the wrongs of the club finances, but now that that has been done he should be investing in the future success of the club, but his idea of success is stay in EPL buy young players for next to nothing and sell on at a large profit. In other words we are going no where fast.

    Just to finish on a real low note I think that SAFC may well catch and pass us this season despite the lead we have over them at the time of writing.

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