Former Star – It’s Win The League Or Be Relegated At Newcastle


Former Newcastle goalkeeper, 37 year-old  Shay Given has it right about Newcastle, the club he played for from the summer of 1997 through January of 2009, when he had to leave because of what new owner Mike Ashley was doing to the club. Shay has said at Newcastle it’s either win the league or be related – it’s feast or famine.

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Shay Given – while at Newcastle

Since  leaving Newcastle, where he played 462 games for the club,  Shay has been at Manchester City and Aston Villa, and lost his first team place at both clubs.

He is now on loan at Middlesbrough, since he cannot get his game at Villa because of American stopper Brad Guzan, and the Irishman had this to say today about his former club:

“The problem with Newcastle is that they are either going to win the league or they are going to get relegated,” “That’s the mentality they need to get out of.”

“They are eighth in the league at the minute, and in the grand scheme of things there will be a lot of managers up and down the country who would swap places with them in a heartbeat. They have to be realistic as well.”

“You could argue at the start of January, when they were doing so well, that had Mike Ashley dipped in his pocket and bought a couple of players and kept Cabaye, they could have been really pushing for Europe.”

“They are still pushing, but it is more difficult now. They’re probably thinking, ‘Where’s the ambition of the club?’ They have made some good signings, but they have also made some good money.”

“Ashley will tell you it is a business, and most clubs have to be a business now. Fans just want to see a bit more ambition, but at the end of the day, it’s his money.”

Shay Given is probably the best goalkeeper Newcastle have ever had in our history but he hasn’t fared well since leaving Newcastle five years ago.

And after playing 462 games in just over eleven and  a half years for Newcastle (an average of 40 games a year) he has played only 116 games over the last five years (an average of 23 games  a year) since leaving the Tyneside club.

It’s very rare that a player leaving Newcastle does better at another club than he did at Newcastle – that’s an odd statistic, but an accurate one too.

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112 comments so far

  • outside the box

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #1

    repost
    tads@5
    i understand anyone paying season ticket by direct debit ..cannot cancel season ticket unless they applied before transfer window shut..ie 31.01.14 for season staring in august….
    bbc saying ashley upset over fee…are we to believe jfk had final say above ashley on transfers …..answers needed…cannot be long before joes on some radio show

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #2

    With all due to respect to Shay, he might as well shut up.

    His comments are neither here nor there. And he ends it with ”at the end of the day it’s his money.”

    Einstein-esque sayings there.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #3

    “It’s get relegated or jump ship at Newcastle”
    Only joking Shay
    A joint JFK/Dekka inspired move selling him

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  • ErnestHemingway

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #4

    I was paying my season ticket by direct debit; i simply cancelled my direct debit. It’s as easy as that!

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  • estechco

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #5

    Shay is right when he says “it’s his money”, but his words are a little hypocritical given that he left Toon primarily due to the same lack of ambition that fans are now complaining about

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #6

    outside

    im surprised he hasnt already joes not a one for bottling things up haha unless bumble has an incentive scheme to make him keep schtum

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  • HullMag6

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #7

    Einstein theory of insanity

    Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome

    We’re a looney bin as long as big mike is in charge.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #8

    repost

    Transfer Sage

    The ‘revolving door’ approach to transfers does seem to be a very dangerous approach but works for a very few clubs, is it Valencia or one of those Spanish Clubs? The G.Bale deal is almost working for Spurs. (It has been discussed here before)

    A more practical and favourable approach would be to sell off those players failing in quality, with minimal loss due to low buying price and maintain strong squad with financial support from TV money. Is Ashley just being greedy or is the ‘extra’ money from player sales being re-invested in the club and/or new players?

    However, Pardews presence is limiting the development of the whole squad as he has always been reliant on individuals, hence it all falls apart when a top player is sold. I hope Pardews continued managerial development will bring improvement in this regard.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #9

    And Magpies legend Shearer claims the failure to replace Cabaye has sent out the wrong signals to everyone involved in the club.

    “If you’re going to let your best player go, you have to have a plan for someone to come in,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

    “You can’t let him [Cabaye] leave and then bring no-one else in. That just can’t happen.

    “It sends a bad message out to the fans and, if you’re a player in that dressing room, you must be thinking, ‘where are we going?’”

    Read more at http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-shearer-cabayes-newcastle-departure-could-be-disastrous-14020578604#qgkPlFs5crBYyHWH.99

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #10

    Well said Shay.

    Very balanced and very realistic. He is right about our position.

    How many fans of teams within the top ten are wanting to get rid of their manager?

    Interesting we brought in more players, albeit only one (!), in the Winter transfer window than:
    Liverpool
    Man City
    Southampton
    Spurs

    Will their DOF be resigning or be sacked? Might be worth enquiring!

    Teams which equalled are sole signing were:
    Arsenal
    Man U
    WBA

    Only two teams (Chelsea and Everton) in the top ten brought on more than one player.

    What does this mean, I’m not sure. But it must be correct as it came from the Daily Mail!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #11

    70two

    I have no problems with players being sold, it happens for many reasons, big offer, player unhappy, player not good enough etc.

    It’s the timing of buying and selling. We sell when we seem to think we are safe in the league and we buy when in trouble. We never seem to add players when we are doing well to push onto the next level.

    It doesn’t need to be crazy money, there were tons of bargains had in january. We just weren’t interested in signing anyone as we seem to be comfortable in the league.

    We have two hard games next up, chelsea nd spurs then a run of 5/6 where we play relegation troubled sides. All those sides have something to play for, will out lads be able to get motivated given that we have sold out best player and didn’t even look interested in the derby?

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  • Ciaran

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #12

    Shay, as much as I love you, you’ve not called this situation right at all.

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  • Ciaran

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #13

    Slank

    All those clubs invested much more heavily than we did in the summer window – absolute nonsense argument.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #14

    slank

    those teams didn’t lose their best player though.

    Also got to think thatit’s not league position people have a problem with. It’s the fact that every time we get to a situation where we look comfortable and can kick on we never do.

    We haven’t signed a player on a permanent contract all season, first side to ever do this.

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #15

    toonarmydownsouth @ 9

    Most pundits have said it was right to let Cabaye go, given the full circumstances surrounding him, but wrong to not get a replacement even if not the finished article like Cabaye.

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  • theartfuldodger

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #16

    I fully expect a sustained attack this time.
    Whether its demonstrations sitins marches protests seasontkt cancellations simply not going to games or watevr..

    The football isnt gonna save Ashley now.

    Frankly for the fans, the very fact that the season is “over” is the perfect time to protest in any form.There really wont be a better time.
    Ashley can spot this too. Thats why perhaps kinnear is off. He wants to appoint another yes man but will hold off so as not to give the protests furthur imputus or reasons.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #17

    Slank
    You seem to be ignoring the massive amount of strengthening those clubs done in the summer

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #18

    Ciaran

    I did say ‘What does this mean, I’m not sure ‘

    Just presented the facts.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #19

    Slank
    Which is exactly what he is saying along with fans and pundits
    Not sure what your point was?

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #20

    TDS

    I did say ‘What does this mean, I’m not sure’

    Just reported the facts.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #21

    toonarmydownsouth

    Judging by the performance on Saturday, the signals have been all wrong, but does that apply to the previous two losses? There should be a plan and it should be being reiterated by those in charge at NUFC to players and fans. Whether there was a plan to get a replacement or not is now history, we will not be relegated as long as players remain focused and a potential battle for 6/7th place is still reason for optimism.

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #22

    TDS

    “You can’t let him [Cabaye] leave and then bring no-one else in. That just can’t happen”

    It’s the first part of the sentence. Most pundits disagree given the circumstances surrounding Cabaye. All agree with the second however.

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  • Ciaran

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #23

    Slank

    What it means that those facts represent a half cooked, half assed version of events that do not represent the full story.

    Sounds like a Daily Mail report all right…

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #24

    slank

    that quote is to be taken as one point, as in you can’t lose cabaye without getting a replacement in.

    it’s either cabaye or the new guy, not neither

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #25

    Slank
    Why though? Seems an odd fact to randomly post
    It doesn’t show that manures sold signing smashed there club record

    Or Arsenals was cover for an injury (that looks to of backfired)

    Or that Liverpool and City look fantastic where as our form has taken a down turn

    All those clubs strengthened either in the summer or in Jan where as ours looks slightly weaker

    Also what does the transfer business have to do with manager argument
    Most those clubs have a DOF as did ours

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #26

    ciaran

    any news from fan meetings?

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #27

    Slank
    ?? It’s all one sentence, you can’t let a player like cabaye leave and replace him, it’s one point

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  • JP...from The Rock

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #28

    We don’t need Llambias back! I for one am glad we’ve seen the back of both him and Kinnear. We need to get a reasonably young and well respected face on board. Someone that knows the game inside out and ideally if he understands the Geordie nation. Perhaps a fromer player, it doesn’t necessarily have to be Shearer. Les Ferdinand perhaps? Who knows but someone of that ilk would be great for us.

    Someone like that will represent us very well with possible transfer targets and he will also be respected by looking at the former mans career with us. Whoever it is needs to understand what a good successful top 8 premier league club needs, ideally what Newcastle United needs.

    After all would you sign on the dotted line and believe everything a clown like Kinnear or Llambias tells you about the club, they are dinosaurs and never seen in good light, they will never earn the respect from our targets, therefore hindering any possible deal.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #29

    Transfer Sage @11

    The transfer policy does seem to bring Ashley in to question, how true is it that prior to Cabaye being sold there was potentially £20M to be invested which has been scuppered by the Joekers ineptitude? There was and is plenty of talent available at the right price, as there is potentially in the squad. The conditions for improvement need to be reinstated, a positive relationship with fans needs to be generated and then there will be no need for cheap seats (oh no!).

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #30

    70TWO
    The previous 2 losses? Do you mean this season or our we talking about the derbies?

    If it’s the derbies I’m not sure what point your making in terms of being safe in the league
    If it’s this season one of the losses was a hard done by loss to City in which we played well the other was the cup game against Cardiff which the club has said cups aren’t a priority

    Up until the Arsenal game tbh i though we had a good season and the players and manager seemed to want Europe where the noises from the board suggested otherwise

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #31

    JP
    Hasn’t Ferdinand recently taken a role at spurs?

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #32

    TDS

    It’s the statement ‘You can’t let him leave ‘

    All the cards were stacked against the club. Players hold all the cards nowadays especially someone as influential as Cabaye.

    He wanted away we all knew that. And so when the top team in France came calling with a good price he and his family, I guess, would have no hesitation in going back to their homeland and their culture.

    Newcastle, like all clubs, don’t want unhappy players and a disruption in the changing room although there is nothing to suggest he was or would be but many of the players at the club looked up to him.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #33

    Given the work he’s doing at grass roots level in the community and his passion might be worth giving Olivier Bernard a role with the academy at least

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  • martoon

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #34

    ErnestHemingway @4 Ciaran and I have been having a ‘discussion’ on this on his blog. You should be careful because the last payment for this season’s ST was 1st Feb and 1st March is the first payment for next season’s. If you have cancelled your direct debit before 1st Feb you have not paid in full for your current season ticket. Either way if you have not given notice to the club they could at worst sue you but more probably ruin your credit rating.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #35

    Slank
    That wasn’t the statement though
    “You can’t let him [Cabaye] leave and then bring no-one else in. That just can’t happen.”

    He doesn’t state at all he shouldn’t of been allowed to leave it clearly says you can’t let him leave and not replace him

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  • Slank

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #36

    JP @ 28

    I’m sure Les Ferdinand didn’t replace his Geordie accent with a Cockney accent when he lived in the North East !

    Premiership clubs today are multinational organisations top to bottom and ethnicity shouldn’t come into it. Ability should be the prime reason.

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  • MrMojoRisin76

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #37

    Slank
    We didn’t have to let Cabaye go anyway,we could have told him he can leave at the end of the season.I don’t think he would have went on strike with the world cup being so close.The club comes first,at least it used to.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #38

    slank

    you are confusing yourself…shearer is saying you cannot let cabaye leave AND not replace him

    that’s different to you cannot let him leave.

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  • cjtoon

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #39

    Does anyone else get the feeling that in the time between now and next season we may see some defining moments for the future of NUFC? Im not sure why i just feel there are some big changes coming…

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 5, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #40

    mojo

    exactly…the point i have been making. Then one of two scenarios

    1. he has a good world and we get even more money

    2. he has a bad world cup, outshone by others, nobody wants him and he stays

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