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Our Record In Transfer Market Has Been Absolutely Terrific

9:55 am, Friday, February 7th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 169 Comments

In his press conference yesterday, Alan Pardew did talk about what Newcastle have done in the transfer market since he has been in charge at Newcastle for just over three years now.

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Alan Pardew – we’ve done absolutely terrific

Alan was talking about what he needs to do as he is essentially the coach at Newcastle these days, rather than have the duties of former managers in England, and he had this to say when mentioning how the club had done in the transfer market:

“When you look at our record (in the transfer market) you have to say it’s terrific, absolutely terrific what we’ve spent, and when you look at what the other clubs in this division and what they’ve spent, we have done very very well and will continue to do so.”

The truth is Newcastle have done well with some of the players they have brought in for the money spent – and most of that is due to Chief Scout Graham Carr.

But the transfers in of players like Cheick Tiote (£3.5M), Yohan Cabaye (£4.2M), Demba Ba (free), Sylvain Marveaux (free), and Davide Santon (£5M) have all been good buys, and we’ve made around £23M in profit on the sale of Demba Ba and Yohan Cabaye in the last two January transfer windows.

But there’s the trouble at Newcastle under Mike Ashley, because with so little ambition the club, our top players will always want to leave, and it’s been true with Demba Ba and Yohan Cabaye, and will be true of Loic Remy this summer.

And the other thing – as we again proved last week – is that Ashley refuses to pay even one or two million over the odds to get a good player into the club, and that has cost Newcastle some good players in the last few years,  and it also was responsible last week for Yohan Cabaye not being  replaced.

That’s the really sad part for the fans of Newcastle United these days.

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169 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    YOU F#CKING WHAT????!!!!

    alan. I am not one of your biggest detractors, but that is just F#cking Stupid!

  • 2 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Repost
    Mark
    Ahhh.Cheers bud.You have “starfished” me with enlightenment.

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    markaccus

    he makes a good point, we have put a good squad together through scouting well and spent a fraction of what some clubs have done but imagine where we could be with our good buying if we spent the same as others.

    tads

    saying that though liverpool this weekend just gone had cissoko bomb forward and then sturridge sat in at left back (the lad has 28 goals in 34 games, must be still attacking)

    I often see aguero or negredo helping out the fullbacks.

    I don’t want to see our attacking men sitting in our own half like jonas had to, but still think they should cover when the time is right.

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Sage from previous

    I agree they should cover when needed but when the ball is still in the opposition half they seem to be knocking it about under no pressure

    Look at the spurs game, we hassled them the second there cb’s had the ball
    We need to see more of that from our forwards and for me you don’t get that from HBA or Marveaux and they need to up that part of there game for me, same with Remy

  • 5 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Now come on Alan,how the hell am i supposed to spin that?

  • 6 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    T sage

    from one point of veiw we have done well, price wise and some quality has come in, but we have NEVER signed all the players we have needed in any given window. “Terrific” is a massive overstatement :D

  • 7 Rainrix // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    From Previous______

    Tads…. I actually agree with you there i was just saying he was the only player on loan who seems to be doing well and getting regular 90mins. I don’t think he’s good enough either maybe he’s a decent championship player at best. I remember him being torn a new one against reading away last season and it was hardly a world class attack.

    Markaccus… Yeah injuries have hampered any progress he could have made really. He did get a run of games in our 5th season and looked good but it was ruined by yet another injury. Such a shame as he has talent.

  • 8 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    I think what Pardew’s talking about is us in a parallel dimension.

  • 9 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Rainrix

    is that when he ruptured a cuticle? Nasty one :D

  • 10 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Rainrix
    Ah reet with you know mate fully agree!

    Still have the horror scenes of Tav being torn apart but that lightning quick youngster Wayne Bridge!

    Agree on Vuckic
    A great talent but the lad seems to be made of glass and i just can’t see him making the grade
    Reminds me a bit of Dyer, but Dyer actually stayed fit enough to play a few, maybe Hargreaves!

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    markaccus

    Yeh i agree there. I think he meant those we have signed have been good, not so much our overall business is great.

    Tads

    Yeh they don’t press but none of our forward players do, we naturally just drop deep and then press in our half…that must be tactical otherwise you’d have pardew screaming for 90 mins for people to get forward and press more.

    I think his style is to sit back and play deep, the problem then is when you nick the ball back you still have 60/70 yards to go to goal.

  • 12 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Markaccus
    In all fairness Pardew was talking at the Fifa 14 FUT press conference in regards to his FUT team Pards Utd!

  • 13 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Dyer was on a diet of kippers and pizza.
    Its all they could slide under his bedroom door.

  • 14 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Does anyone know what the maximum transfer war-chest should/could be next summer. Obviously, there’s no way all the profits would be spend on transfers! But still, including money not spent last summer, then this january, the Cabaye money, then the extra TV revenues …

    My best guess should be 100m + swilling around, but i’m sure someone out there has a better idea than me …

  • 15 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Tads.

    Ah right. Well in that case, Messi, Ronaldo and Negredo were excellent signings. As was the loan deal for Navas.

  • 16 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Markus
    Don’t forget the Pele and Cruyf deals.

  • 17 WWSBRD // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    Terrific….really? For what we have spent yes but we have shown these players since they have come in that we have no ambition to go any further than middle of the division

    And our recent windows have be complete failures

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    Sage
    Not totally sure about that
    Gouffran puts players under pressure from the top and Sissoko when playing the wing hassles the opposition
    Dare i say it even *gulp* Shola!

    The mentality needs to change, the lads simply aren’t aggressive enough off the ball
    No pressure and we let them stroll into our half

  • 19 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    I know that’s not your name,i decided to leave a few letters out to save time.

  • 20 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    Mojo

    But that means unlocking classic players. I thought you could only do that on PES??

  • 21 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Turkish
    But he has started more games than he has come on as a sub for, and yet most of his assists come from his sub appearances. He is better as an impact player. Yes, I remember the games he came off the bench and assisted. That is my point, better coming off the bench against tired opposition, unable to cut it for a full 90 minutes.

  • 22 HullMag6 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Alan been listening to accountants again

    Only an accountant would say its terrific a footballer would say appalling. So it’ll be welcome the new batch for some more mediocre football for profit on sales so same old same old

    Or Ashley out and show some ambition

  • 23 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    In which case he would have signed “Palm” and god knows what Cruyfs pretend name was….. Crufts?

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    tads

    i was just guessing as if it wasn’t a team plan why are they no getting shouted at or dropped for not following it? maybe lack of options.

    I just find it annoying that you can have sides like barca, bayern, real, city, chelsea really put pressure on teams and still produce top quality attacking play….no excuse for our boys.

  • 25 lesh // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Trying to paper over the cracks of recent events!

  • 26 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Mojo

    so you have pro evo’d my name???
    Its ok, i miss loads of letters from your name :D

    Anyone who wants to is welcome to call me Mark. Its not as if i am hiding my real name with a clever moniker is it ;)

  • 27 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Markaccus
    For some reason when my eyes flash upon your name my mind translates it to Maracas,the others day there was a post from Maccas just before yours.When i saw the names Maccas Maracas i though of Paul Mcartney’s testicles.I know this information is irrelevant but i was pretty amused.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Markaccus
    In true PES style i might start calling you Maracas

    Haven’t played PES for years but if they haven’t used JFK’s slants on our players in this years game then they have missed a trick!

  • 29 nufc 11 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Id love a bottle of what your drinking Alan, talking about blured vision. Your so so positive you must wake up every morning singing? patting yourself on the back and ringing Mike Ashley first thing to congradulate him on the brilliant job he has done with the club every morning really what an outstanding job ye have all done better still why not reach into the clubs hefty transfer coffers and pay yourselfs huge bonous ye all deserve it everything ye get.

  • 30 count // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    From previous article, made me laugh –

    “And we are even considering whether it’s worth carrying on with this blog, and all the work that goes into it, including daft things like getting up at 3:00 am in the morning, after it seems the leaders at the club have no real ambitions for our once famous club.”

    You don’t have to write a new article for every single goddamn rumour out there! That is what I have been saying to you for years! Just do less instead of searching out every single opportunity for a misleading, sensationalist headline.

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Sage
    Oh aye and i agree it could well be down to tactics
    But watching the team we seem to sometimes completely lack any determination or graft, certainly any passion

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Lilongwe…when er discuss the same things we view it quite differently mate!

    …it may be we look at it from different angles hence the remark of clash of cultures.

    We put emphasize on different aspects of the sport – there is no right or wrong here just opinions! That goes for Pardew and Guardiola as well ;)

    To be successful you just need to do the best with what you got and try to make decisions moving forward! And of course we will never agree on that part ;)

    …because our football upbringing are just so very different,

  • 33 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Moonarmsgownmouth would be Tads’s Pro Evo name.

  • 34 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Why are so many people so damn negative about our player recruitment? We’ve gone from being a championship side to having a team which is about 90% full internationals? Ok they’re not all the absolute best, but this has been achieve during a recession where so many other clubs has got themselves in all kinds of sh.t financially. And we’ve taken some major scalps on the way.

    Of course there have been some pretty hard to take moments too. But to my mind, after 4 years back in the PL we are about where we should be.

    Are people really expecting us to be doing significantly better than Spuds, or Everton or the scousers … yet?! These are all teams that have been there or there abouts season after season. Even under Shepard’s time, we yo-yo’d between doing pretty well and being 13th at a time where the PL wasn’t half as cut-throat or competitive as it is right now.

  • 35 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    MrMojo
    Hmm I like that it’s got a ring to it

  • 36 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Ok, so for regular posters, we need to create PES names……

    Moonarmsgownmouth
    Minimoocherisms55 (for mojo)
    Marmitebus (for me)
    Jessefeelgood (for jesper)

    Just a few off the top of my head for now.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    jimmy3knees

    it’s not about the quality of players, every time we have a chance to kick on, coming 5th, now sat in 8th we either sell or don’t add the right players to the team to take us forward.

    we have done well to get to where we are but never look to go beyond it, it could be a lot better

    also we didn’t have many full, regular internationals on saturday…krul, debuhcy, tiote…that’s it

  • 38 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    BalearicToon,ScratchyInGallway.

  • 39 MrMojoRisin76 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    That should be ScratchyInGalway,which reminds me of the time i went to a brothel in Ireland.

  • 40 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Buying a very good potential player with the intention of selling on a huge profit is the wrong way to deal business in the footballing world.

    Which footballer would want to join our club when they know they would be sold the moment a huge offer comes in?

    No wonder Grenier didn’t bother. He’d rather just stay in Lyon and develop his talents further.

  • 41 toon22 // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    From the club with the lowest net outlay in the league since 2007.
    From the club who are the first in the leagues history not to sign a permanent player over 2 transfer windows.
    What is he on about?

  • 42 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Dan gosling to score tomorrow. Hes better than zico

  • 43 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    I think Ashley might surprise us this summer. Maybe I’m just being positive but I’m convinced that there was money to spend in last summer’s window and in this most recent window as well. That money hasn’t vanished and I suppose the one positive note is that it hasn’t been splashed out on someone useless. OK, I’m grasping at straws there.

    My point is that there should be upwards of £50 million available in the summer and even allowing for Ashley paying himself back some of the loan, it leaves the potential for a significant pot of money if it is spent wisely.

    Most of us trust Carr and his role in finding players but I worry who Ashley will choose next to negotiate the purchase. Although I dislike what he has done to the club, I hope he does it himself. Whatever we think of him, this is one of his strengths, he is a serious negotiator and has the advantage that he can make decisions on the fly.

  • 44 gonufc (Release the Hatem Bomb) // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Pardew’s seriously made a fool of himself here.

    Considering the man in charge of transfers has just been sacked by his friend for being so inept he’s not really on sturdy ground!

    I presume he means financially.

    Again, what’s the point of having money in the bank in a football club if it’s not spent on improving the football team?

    Also, people keep supporting Ashley for keeping the club “stable” yet I think there are only really two options for what’s going on:

    1) He is NOT running the club properly and these big player sales are necessary simply to keep the club afloat

    or,

    2) He is making a huge profit on TV, gates and players and is pocketing the cash. Only spending when there is a risk of relegation. Europa league is a hindrance to staying in the Premier league.

  • 45 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I agree its frustrating that we don’t kick on. Which is why i asked the question about how much money we should have swilling around from not spending in the last few windows. With JFK out, i think we should be reserving judgement as to what things are going to like in the next couple of seasons until the september deadline has past. THEN they really need to be held accountable.

    Before this period i still maintain our recruitment has been exceptional considering we’re not a Champions league regulars.

    There may not have been many internationals on saturday, but i don’t think its realistic (yet) to have internationals on the bench (Mapou is one though), and our first 11 do have full international caps to there name. I think you missed out Anita and Ben Arfa too though … i’ll resist saying Shola ;)

  • 46 Foxworth // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    My team for tomorrow:

    Krul
    Debuchy MYM Williamson Haidara
    HBA Anita Sissoko Santon
    De Jong
    Shola

    With Santon tucking into a CM 3 and HBA & Luuk flanking Shola when possible.

    God, we’re screwed tomorrow :-(

  • 47 Conaldo (The Wizard - Member of the Triangle of Intelligence) // Feb 7, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Sold our best player 3 years running, never invested when we had the opportunity to push on for consistent top 6.
    Lost support of majority of fans, and shown very little ambition, and our ability to attract top foreign players is fast deminishing.

    Thanks Alan, you’ve all done a super-duper job.

    How’s everyone doing today?

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    jimmy3

    I forgot shola, but he is an international but not good enough for the prem

    anita hasn’t played for holland for nearly 3 years, never whilst with us so not counting him.

    I’m on about regulars who start, not the likes of issoko and mbiwa who are in the squad with the odd friendly cap.

    We always keep saying, ‘lets see next window’, they are accountable for this window just gone in my opinion. Last jan when looked bad for us Ashley got involved himself as llambias was making no progress (according to reports) so why didn’t he now? other than we were safe so joe was a good scape goat for not spending.

  • 49 Conaldo (The Wizard - Member of the Triangle of Intelligence) // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    My team for tomorrow:

    Krul
    Debuchy Willo MYM Haidara
    Tiote Anita
    Marveaux
    HBA De Jong Gouffran

    If Gouff is back of course.

    What Pardews team will be.

    Krul
    Debuchy Willo Taylor Santon
    Tiote Anita
    Sissoko HBA Sammy
    Shola

    :(

  • 50 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    jimmy3
    I can’t see the £100 million you are hoping for but as I said in my post, there must be over £50 million. I don’t buy into the idea that Kinnear was put there to avoid spending.

    Kinnera is genuinely incompetent. Ashley’s mistake yet again.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    coach

    but llambias didn’t do any good business and it was widely reported ashley stepped in to get it done. After the summer they should have known kinnear was up to it and should have stepped in himself again, or replaced before jan.

    Ashley is a good business man, not a fool, he wouldn’t give some guy at sports direct another chance after a that many cock ups

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    wasn’t up to it *********

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    Pardew seems to change his tune on a daily basis, No wonder we’re so inconsistent.

    First he has a dig at JFK (correctly) saying if he (Pardew) was in charge of transfers things would have been different and now he’s saying this, as if been told to pipe down and get back in his box again.

    Which is it Alan? Somewhere between the 2 may just be about right. Carr has spotted some absolute gems like Tiote, Cabaye, Sissoko etc but to have not got someone like Cabella or Grenier already to go was very poor.

    Having said that in our current run we have lost 5 out of 7 and only scored 3 and Cabaye was here for 5 of those
    games.

    The problems run much deeper. Pardew talks about moving the club forward and showing intelligence in our play.

    Against West ham and Norwich for the first half (we don’t do 90 mins) we were great and very good to watch but then we go long ball to Shola for 90 mins and still select Saylor and Santon over MYM and Haidara, so who was supplying the intelligence there!!

    In terms of moving the club forward it’s going to take something and someone far more accomplished and long term than pardew I’m afraid.

  • 54 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    Transfer

    I agree, it would be great to have a full team of regular Internationals (and i wasn’t counting Shola either!) But i still maintain that its pretty good to have players that are quality enough to have reached an international standard throughout the squad at this stage in our development. Surely we’re buying players that will hopefully become regulars international, and we’re getting them at a great age.

    Even Gouffran would probably be in other international squads, and i missed out De Jong, Sissoko and Santon from saturdays list.

    Regulars no, but come on, its not a bad list. And hopefully we’ll see the list of regular internationals grow and grow. But how do you attract already experienced really top internationals to the Toon right now? Its not an easy sell for anyone walking into that job if you ask me. Im still amazed we ever got Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Debuchy through the door …

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Conaldo

    Would love to see that team, although that said, apparently Sissoko’s stats are surprisingly very high too and pardew would never play marv and Ben Arfa sadly.

  • 56 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    TS
    That’s why I said in 43 that I hope he steps in again.

    I’m totally convinced that Ashley should own us or any other football club, it’s exactly the opposite of what he is good at. He isn’t at all comfortable with the massive transfer fees and salaries.

    Kinnear’s only real success in football management was building a team which overachieved and spent very little. I think Kinnear convinced Ashley that he could do the same here. Stupid but to me it makes sense.

  • 57 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    Coach

    Yeah you might be right. I think the problem is no one knows really! It wouldn’t surprise me if JFK was as incompetent as he seems …but you have to admit he does fit as the perfect fall guy because he was seen as such a div.

    By my reckoning we should be getting more than 50m just from the increased TV revenues and regular turnover, so add to that the Cabaye money and 2 windows where the only spend was agent fee’s then surely it SHOULD be higher. Agreed it probably won’t be though.

  • 58 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    That should have been “should NOT own”

  • 59 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    G/day guys

    Whats happening?

  • 60 Conaldo (The Wizard - Member of the Triangle of Intelligence) // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Would love to see Marveaux and Hatem given a run in the team together, just to see how it works.

    I don’t know what it is with Sissoko, I know he’s supposed to be a good player, everyone keeps saying he’s a good player, and at times I’ve seen why, but 90% of the time, I have absolutely no idea what he contributes. Especially not being played on the wing.

    I think Pardew has essentially ruined the careers of Marveaux and Ben Arfa. Both extremely talented player that have been let down by their coach.
    Thats probably a bit dramatic like but still.

    Every time I see Steven Taylor play for us now I cry a little bit inside. I don’t care where he comes from, he is not good enough and is downright embarrassing.

  • 61 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    Jimmy
    We will get more than £50m from TV but not £50m more than last year. Some of it goes into funding other things, I was trying to come up with a low end figure because we know it won’t be at the top of our hopes don’t we.

    I’m no football expert but I would love to have a beer with Carr and ask him what he would do with £40 million.

  • 62 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    For tomorrows game, Marveaux in the 10 role behind De Jong/Cisse,, Sissoko and Anita shielding, HBA and Sameobi wide.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    jimmy3

    It’s not bad, i don’t expect 10 internationals turning up (it means nothing to me as depending on your nationality determines how man caps) but i just want to see more quality in the squad, even if just unproven/infrequent internationals but we don’t have enough depth, keep replacing first team with first team but keeping same crap in squad.

    coach

    yeh but it shows if ashley wants to spend he can, he just didn’t want to in the summer

  • 64 Conaldo (The Wizard - Member of the Triangle of Intelligence) // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Arguably Santon
    Pick anyone from the u21s.

    Pardew and the other coaches have seriously let these players down.

  • 65 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    If Ashley decides to stay, he has to spend big time in the summer or risk relegation next season.

  • 66 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    TS

    How are you today mate?

    Ben upsetting anyone yet…..LOL

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    expat

    I’m good thanks, how are you sir?

    and upsetting people? did i last time?

  • 68 geordie Jack // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    Our record is terrific if you are an accountant! We have made over three times more money than anyone else! In fact, most of the other losers have lost money. I bet the top teams are really jealous ;) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2553796/Proof-money-buys-happiness-Manchester-City-Chelsea-Manchester-United-net-spend-charts.html

  • 69 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    COACH

    On the subject of youth at the club, NUFC is a paradox where the owner wants to develop his own players through the academy yet we have a manager who refuses to give them a decent run in the team to prove themselves.

    It will be interesting to see next year what will happen to the likes of Abeid, Campbell, Tavernier, Vuckic, Armstrong etc.

    A manager who knmows how to nurse kids into the senior team would be an asset to not just the club, but to Ashley’s pocket too

  • 70 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    TS
    I agree, he can spend if he wants to but you’re asking me to believe that either Kinnear is such a good friend that he was willing to be made a total laughing stock to help Ashley, or Ashley is such a bad friend that he shafted Kinnear big time.

    I still go for a mix of yet another incompetent bit of recruitment of a DoF who was never fit for purpose. We’ll have to agree to differ on this one I think but summer will tell. I still think he will spend, not big but bigger than he ever has before.

    Like I said, I hope he does it himself, it may depend how his Debenhams gamble pays off.

  • 71 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    TS

    Only joshing mate.

    I am fine. Sweating my way through another aussie summer heatwave

  • 72 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    expatmag
    I’m 100% with you on that one. I’d go a step further and say we have a manager who is incapable of blending fringe players into the team.

    They and youngsters need to be brought in one at a time into a winning team, Pardew drops them in when things are desperate then drops them because they couldn’t hack it.

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    I would rather spend money on a technically and tactically sound coach who can develop players, not destroy them.

    Really don’t think we need to spend zillions especially when people like Saylor are keeping out MYM ! Just get the playmaker we need or get Marveaux focused and motivated.

  • 74 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    COACH

    I watched the Pardew press conference prior to the Sunderland game. Normally, he is quite bright and smart but this PC, he appeared upset, depressed, dishevelled and I am just wondering whether Pardew gave Ashley a choice, either him or Kinnear.

  • 75 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Transfer,

    I think that’s fair enough. My issue is really with people being so extremely negative about how far we’ve actually come since the relegation debacle (which is still blame mostly on Shepard and buying over payed over rated, and past there best players like Butt and Owen etc. It had been coming for a number or years and that really was a sh.te transfer policy).

    I still think we’re in transition and it’ll take a while, especially when you look above us in the table and realise how long those teams have been finishing in the top half.

    The last two windows have been worrying though i agree, but surely he has to spend in the summer, and spend uncharacteristically big. If not then I might be joining the boycott brigade too … but not until then.

  • 76 themole // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2553796/Proof-money-buys-happiness-Manchester-City-Chelsea-Manchester-United-net-spend-charts.html

    Says it all really!!!

  • 77 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    COACH

    It does seem strange. We seem to have some talented kids and whilst some have been farmed out on loan, I am hoping they return like Dummett although I would want them to have a better run in the team than Dummett has had, He seems a decent player.

    Incidentally, would anyone consider playing a false no.9 tomorrow with say, Ben Arfa in a withdrawn central role?

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    coach

    If somebody said to me here’s a few 100k, be made to carry the can then you can go off back home i’d be tempted haha…but i think you scenario is probably right, still don’t get why ashley didn’t jump in to sort it out, if he can do it during bad times he should be able to do it now…i just don’t think he wanted to spend anything.

    Expat

    Very nice, still 40+ degress out there? And great point on the academy, we need to be able to have top coaches not just top facilities (it’s like we have a monkey driving a tractor, better off with a man using a shovel).

    Then the manger, like you say, can’t get the fringe/youth lads into the team, it’s very odd.

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    expat

    i think we can play whatever we like tomorrow but without remy, cabaye, tiote and gouff from the home game we will struggle

  • 80 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    expat
    To me, he just looked like a man who knew he was about to spend 90 minutes in front of 50,000 very, very unhappy people.

    I’m not a Pardew fan at all but I really respect the way he has handled such a high pressure job. Maybe it’s just a case of “where there’s no sense, there’s no feeling”.

  • 81 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    i just came in lots of threads posted so i might be repeating whats been said but is pards now ashleys direct mouthpiece or what

  • 82 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    TS

    Hgh 30s the last few days and more to come over the weekend

  • 83 jimmy3knees // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Coach

    Yeah, count me in for that beer if you ever get his number! £40m is probably a more realistic total in fairness, and more than has ever been spent in a single window.

    I’d still love to have an accountant really explain it to me though. If you conservatively say there was £15m to spend in each of the last two windows and only £5 was spend on agent fee say (reasonable?). Then with the Cabaye money that 20+15+15-5= 45 million thats unspent. And thats before this years 15 say, and then the increased TV money on top of that.

    I’m guessing your going to say 15 is too much to expect per window, with wages etc etc … but id still love to have the actual figures for this period explained to me!

  • 84 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    TS
    You prompt me to put forward a view on Ashley, you might not agree but that doesn’t matter. Obviously we all accept that the man is financially motivated but I think there is more.

    Like a lot of highly driven, successful people he is driven by a fear of failure. This is an emotional response that is far more powerful than logic.

    Relegation kicked him into action, so did the fear of relegation. I think there is a strong possibility that fans handing back their season tickets has touched a nerve. He seems to see filling SJP as a success, why else would a man who we think is a walking bank account have some of the cheapest ticket prices in the league. As keeps being pointed out, paying fans aren’t the be all and end all any more.

    I could go on but I’m sure you see my point.

  • 85 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    Some might laugh at this but if we played HBA in a withdrawn CF role, we would need pace down the flanks so I would consider Sameobi and, wait for it, Obertan.

    By drawing Terry and Cahill out, we could get in behind them and cause an upset.

    Yeah, I knpw what you are all saying, but we have to try something different at least.

  • 86 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    @85

    yeh i think id rather go with fat shams tactics at stamford last week 10 men in the box haha

  • 87 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    WOLF

    If we do that, we will get a hammering. which I am expecting anyway

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    coach

    sorry, i don’t get your point (I must be having a tough day)

    I think it’s all financial, the reason he spent last jan wasn’t fear of failure for me, it was more fear of losing huge prem league money in my opinion.

    He has low prices (only in level 7 section) to sell tickets, some money is better than no money.

    I think everything he does is based on money, announcing through sources the club might sign 4 just as season tickets up for renewal, they don’t arrive or even try for it. Then when people start cancelling season tickets sack the fall guy you brought in to try and win people over and get your manager to come out and (only days after criticsing transfers) tell us we are the best at them and we will sign 4 top players.

    It’s all PR and money from Ashley as far as I am concerned. I appreciate your differing opinion, neither of us can confirm anything so both as valid as each other…just my take on it.

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    expat

    pace is so important, it allows you stretch teams as we are not technical enough to work in a tight space.

  • 90 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    jimmy
    That one’s easy. With Ashley as an owner you can only spend £30 million a year on players if you make £30 million profit a year. If you don’t you either need to borrow or spread the payments, neither of which he will do.

    Historically we don’t make £30 million a year. This year will be very different which is why I think he will spend, there should be enough to invest AND pay back some of his loan.

  • 91 Wayayman // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    A couple of things from the last day or two:

    1) That quote TurkishFan posted yesterday from Tevez regarding Pardew. It scared the shivving lit out of me and confirmed everything we all thought and feared about the effect he has on players.

    2) Does anyone seriously think Marveaux is that player we all want him to be? The guy has talent for sure, but he lacks bottle. I saw him pull out of a couple of 50/50′s when he last had a start for us and i’m convinced that’s why he doesnt get a game. He makes Marcelino look like he’s Braveheart. Ok, well maybe not quite that bad…

    3) Lies, lies, damned lies…. Yet again the lack of communication between the powers that be and the manager are all too apparent. It seems that we have people running the day to day business of our club who are incompetent and inept but crucially they seem short of leadership.
    Pardew’s comments about Kinnear’s ‘resignation’ being the work of ‘the board’ were like a coded signal to us that there’s something seriously off at the highest level of the club. He’s not that daft, surely? Pardew must know that a resignation can only be performed by the person in employment wishing to no longer work in that role. He also must know that the dictatorship we have at NUFC does not require, or have a ‘board’ of any sort. We don’t have anyone between the manager and the owner apart from a club secretary and a chief scout.
    The lack of cohesion and togetherness is very, very worrying as that sort of inner turmoil will not be to the benefit of the team or us fans.
    Shame Alan doesn’t just grow a pair and let the ‘board’ accept his own resignation, then come out and let rip with a few home truths. I’d have some respect for the bloke if he did.

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    wayaman

    I said i could understand pardew towing the party line early on as he had just been sacked from league 1 southampton so a big prem job would have been huge for him. The media hold him in high regard so he’d walk into another job, better paid than lowest paid man in the league too. If relegated managers get jobs he’s get on, he seems highly rated in media and in general fan opinion.

    He shouldn’t say things like our transfers are great business days after he said he’d do it differently…he should stand up for himself and tell ashley to shove his job the same place all those sports direct hoardings belong, up his hoop.

  • 93 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    TS
    I didn’t really expect you to agree although I did think you’d get the idea. Like I said, I agree with his financial greed, how could I not.

    This isn’t one I would keep going I would just make one final point.

    If we want Ashley out we will never do it by trying to hit him financially. Emotional weakness is how you get to people, ask Sir Alex.

  • 94 Wayayman // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    Totally agree Sage. And thanks for the mental image of Ashley’s ‘hoop’… :-)

  • 95 Wayayman // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Coach, a sucessful businessman’s emotional weakness is fear of failure, right? Then how do we get Ashley out without being relegated again? I want him gone, but I’d never want to go through that again.

  • 96 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    TS

    There is no doubting he is money orientated as shown by his transfer dealings since he bought the club.

    I remember him saying he would personally fund 20 million a year for transfers and that hasn’t happened.

    The culling of staff to run the club on a shoestring is further evidence.

    The fact he is asking an astronomical amount of over 300 million for the club which is twice what it is worth is more evidence.

    He is a greedy man who has no interest at all in the club other than making money out of it.

    I would like to know what has happened not only to any transfer monies over the past two windows but also the wonga sponsorship money which is supposed to be 6 million a season.

    Where has that gone

  • 97 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    How would you all feel if Dan gosling starts tomorrow as I have a feeling he will.

  • 98 expatmag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    ERNEST

    We have few other options.

  • 99 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    Krul

    Debuchy willo Taylor mym

    Anita gosling sissoko

    Ben arfa Sammy

    Shola

    That isn’t what I would play, let’s get that clear! But I expect pardew to name s team very similar to it.

    Away from home, vs Chelsea, loads of injuries, on the back of a howking by the mackems…..pardew will be in self preservation mode! Which isn’t good for anyone

  • 100 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Expat

    You’re right. But we should have. It’s s disgrace

  • 101 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    A disgrace even.

  • 102 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Wayayman
    I wish I really knew the answer to that, like you say, targeting relegation isn’t an option.

    The fan running onto the pitch and handing back his ST I think would get to him. If it’s true, hearing that 4000 fans have done the same I think does it.

    Anything that is failure and attracts a headline similar to – Mike Ashley’s Newcastle United ……..

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    coach

    No it’s ok, i know we all have our own views on ashley, pardew, players, etc so i’m happy to hear/share them.

    Expat

    I think relegation hit him hard and he realised just how little you actually get for 20mil when you add everything into the equation.

    I just find the man seems to have a lack of passion and no real interest in the team or area, he seems to prey on the fact football is part of the community and people will go and support their team no matter what. What he needs to do is embrace fans and make people feel involved.

    I don’t like the transfer policy of 11/12 good players then fringe lads who rarely play. Seems to replace 1 first team lad with 1 more, no growth in terms of numbers even though quality goes up.

    but what I have said, and never known in my time, is a lot of fans who are totally numb to the club, they lose a lot of passion as they club slowly drains it with disaster after disaster and there are so many fans who just can’t relate to the set up any more.

  • 104 mag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    It’s Pardews abysmal coaching techniques that make a decent squad of players look awful. In a nutshell the man has had four years to mould a decent side and he has failed.

  • 105 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Every player from now on until the end of the season has a point to prove…any should be given a chance!

    …but the things all these players are very different and we cannot keep playing the same kind of football but with different players!

    The season is over so Pardew might as well just come to terms with this and try to play way forward! I am sure he can do it – he has done it before (it just seems as though he doesn’t believe in it himself or that just won’t except that he need to change it to be successful)

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Ernest
    Your right it is
    Was having a conversation with someone on here yesterday about who would fill in for tiote

    Our go to guy was Perch

    Regardless of what people thought of him in regards of ability he was a decent player and played a hell of a lot of games for us (27 last season 25 the season before)
    He was a big part of our squad rotation and we got shot for 700k thinking we don’t need him we have Anita
    Well now Cabs has gone we have limited options in the middle and with Tiote out for up to a month our “great” squad suddenly looks very thin with a lot of unproven players not looking over confident of stepping up to the mark

  • 107 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    TS
    You are so right about fans being numb, I’m 63 so I’ve lived through quite a lot with the club.

    I’ve seen times when lying 8th in the First Division was just a delusional dream but I’ve never seen fans as depressed as they are now.

    Not all fans to be fair, it’s easy to get it out of proportion, especially on here, so lets try to stay positive and get behind the team because it isn’t changing in the next 4 months.

  • 108 Mister Tuff // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    I think that Percy will now have a bit of leeway to experiment a bit with the teams until the end of the season-let’s face it there is nothing much to lose.
    Whether he does it tomorrow is another matter – he might want to play a side with older/more experienced players in it to keep the inevitable high score down -to respectable numbers. Really I can see us getting a walloping at least 3 -0 minimum.

    Expat -hahahhahahahahaha.
    you cannot be serious about Obertan. You have described the heatwave down in Oz over the last few days and going down to the beach. Then you suggest Obertan. Man you are clearly suffering from heatsroke -(symptoms -include dizziness and confusion) (to be far you’ve suffered from those symptoms for 40 plus years).
    However to be on the safe side I’ve contacted the Flying Doctor Service for you – they’ll be there shortly. Keep cool -apply a cold flannel to your forehead.

  • 109 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Wayaman

    Pardew is not top class manager but let’s not forget that Tevez also went on to slate Alex Ferguson and Roberto Mancini

    The blokes an absolute t1t and has insulted every manager/team/team mates his ever played for/with

  • 110 Mister Tuff // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    error – far = fair.

  • 111 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    tuffers

    you say 3-0 i assume you mean in the first half only haha

  • 112 Whumpie // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    I agree with Pards’s statement… from one angle. If you look at net spend on players and results achieved – we’re in a different league from everyone else; verging on miraculous.

    If you look at WHEN we’ve spent, it’s a very different picture. Panic buys a year ago to avoid relegation, and the fact that right now I wouldn’t bet a bean on us finishing in the top half pretty much says it all.

    Right now, I wouldn’t even put serious money on us avoiding relegation; we’re THAT bad without Cabs, and the players may not recover their fizz after seeing him sold and not replaced. If I was them I’d be in talks with my agent already…

  • 113 catchy in norway // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    regarding the publicly slating Ed regards the blog, I think you have it all wrong,

    what im getting at is, I would rather him get involved in debates as a fan , rather than waste time posting many pointless threads about who we may be linked with,

    ED used to have many good things to say, but now I feel he has moved away from being a fan and more worried about hits,

  • 114 Mister Tuff // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    wolfshead – you might be right -could be a high scoring game. I think your team, Chelsea, are getting better/slicker as the season progresses whereas my team, the Toon, are probably going backwards.

  • 115 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Whumpie

    I think that’s bang on

    It’s not the business we have done, because when we want to we’ve signed some cracking player’s
    It’s the timing of the business, we never seem to be proactive in the transfer market were always a season/half a season behind when it comes to getting the players we need
    Thats my biggest gripe about our transfers
    How many windows have we heard the fans/Pardew/pundits say “were just 1-2 players away from having a top team”

  • 116 mag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Tomorrow’s match against Chelsea should give us some ideas of how the squad is adjusting to life without Cabaye.

  • 117 Wayayman // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Coach, I know how you feel mate. I live in London now (from Byker though) so only get to a handful of home and away games these days. My son, born and raised down here is 11 and Toon mental. My old man has been going since 66/67 (ironic as he told me about that season’s game with the mackems) and i spoke to him on Saturday night. He said he’s had enough, and that the 5 or 6 lads around him (John hall/East Stand) had said the same. All hardcore fans, long-suffering, all spend money they can’t really afford on following their hearts. My dad definitely is out, his mate next to him has also done the same, whether the others around him who said they were out do the same, remains to be seen.
    It’s a crying shame. Disillusionment, and the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  • 118 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    tuffers

    my team is the toon albeit in suspension till tubbs is ousted i would rather invest my emotions elsewhere for the time being
    following chelsea is my version of a dirty protest lol

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    coach

    I’m fully behind the team but if fans are this disillusioned then what must it be like for the playing and coaching staff, it can’t be easy for them.

  • 120 mag // Feb 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    If Pardew could do a Willie Donachie and thump Shola he would be doing us and himself a favour.

  • 121 catchy in norway // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    just because tevez went on to slate SAF and mancini does not make him a tit

    pardew was wrong with what he did with tevez

    mancini had huge problems with a lot of players, treating them very different

    SAF is not a saint, from the outside I thought him and R kean where like best friends, maybe ask beckham, stam ruud van,

    your trying to put someone down because he acted in a way that was not right, but the right reasons where

  • 122 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    The game between England and Denmark at Wembley marts the 5th will be played with the use of HawkEye!

  • 123 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Catchy
    Tevez slates everyone mate always has done

    For every time that Tevez quote is stated you can find another quote from another player saying the opposite about Pardew

    So to twist it, just because a stroppy CF who’s p*ssed over every club he’s ever been at about the way they apparently treat him doesn’t make it so

  • 124 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    Ha ha ha Alan, having to twerk even more for Mike now the spotlight has less employees to play on. That is a rubbish statement. It sounds like it says ” we spent good money and bought top players in order to succeed and it worked, look at us now! Flying high in the league, 2 cups to go for…” when in reality what you are saying is ” Well Mike didnt want to spend as he wants his money back so we scouted a few bargains, and well look at us now….”

  • 125 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Jesper
    Isn’t Hawk eye already used in all top flight games and internationals now anyway?

  • 126 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    TS
    It must be awful and it’s Pardew’s job to motivate them all when he is clearly badly affected himself.

    Now more than ever the lads need the crowd behind them.

    Motivation comes from the top – so does de-motivation.

  • 127 Coach // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    Wayayman
    I feel for him, like you I don’t live up there any more but I went up for last Saturday’s match.

    I started to recover from the experience around Tuesday but I’m not over it yet.

  • 128 microbar // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Pards has been playing football manager again.

  • 129 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Tara

    Agree with you about perch…he was a good squad player who would’ve been happy playing the odd gand here and there, whether that be centre back, right back, left back, defensive midfield. He wasn’t replaced. I know Jonas was on the decline, but he’s played lots of games for us over the last few seasons, he wasn’t replaced. And cabaye obviously wasnt replaced.

    Agree with you on tevez top, he is à little turd, has no class or grace, i take everything he says with a pinch of salt

  • 130 BandB // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    Pardew has been masterful this season, turning the appointment of Kinnear to his advantage.
    I’m not sure that was how it was supposed to work, but he became a lightning rod for Pardew.

    But Kinnear is gone now. So there can be no more coded-attacks, deflecting blame in his direction.
    If Pardew wants to criticise the transfer policy now, he has to do it straight to his big, bad boss.

    Which I why I say Pardew is right in the spotlight now. I’m sure Ashley will be listening closely.

    I expect a change of tack. So expect much more blaming of the players from now on, in the way he ruthlessly hung the kids out to dry last year.

    And when confidence is lost, blaming pressure from the fans for that loss of confidence.

    Just watch him go.

  • 131 catchy in norway // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    most of the time he is right to slate players,,

    when he plays he gives 100%, he chases everything down, uses skill as well as effort, he demands the same, the problem with most footballers is they are rich and think they have made it,

  • 132 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Hello boys!
    Hope everything’s spiffing today. Catchy not been back? All he needs is a cuddle and a knee trembler and he’d be a pussy cat.

    I’ll go for a bore draw sat, Chelsea are still lacking a cutting edge for me. At times the look as bad as us trying to create things. Same as when we played them at SJP both teams where going no where then a forced change of Anita for tittle made us play football.

    Of course it’s NUFC so a five nil either way isn’t off the cards either.

    I must be a glutton for punishment as now were safe I’ve been happy seeing injuries and suspensions as it’s the only way certain players get a chance, I’m counting it as a blessing because positive news is rare at the toon these days..

    Anyway who.s been sacked or left the club today.?

  • 133 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    Sorry Catchy I meant Ciaran

  • 134 catchy in norway // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    BandB //

    I can go along with that, he can only pin the blame on so many before people start pointing the finger back at him,

    2 past transfer windows , JFK took all the flack, ( which I think was his job really), you can only bury so much with the guy going out, now its all pardew

  • 135 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    BandB, good post at #130.

  • 136 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    BandB – actually Pards didnt hang the kids out to dry last year, his blame for the terrible season on having to field so many youngsters who weren’t up to the task was designed to illustrate to Mike Ashley how his attitude to necessary expenditure in the competitive transfer market was damaging to the team in the short term, and coupled with that a nice jab in his side about dragging his heels with the development side. Then came the big January influx, and Pards’ excuses narrowly paid off.

    The bit where Pards hung the kids out to dry was after that, when, to back up his argument, he had to consign said juniors to the obscurity of reserve and academy backwaters.

  • 137 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Rebecca

    Are you stoned or on the magic mushrooms?

  • 138 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    tads…only at friendlies I think! They are still testing it, but I think I read somewhere that the PL is the fist place it will be tested for real?

  • 139 BandB // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    Tsunki,

    Yes. That was what I also meant by hanging them out to dry.

  • 140 mindshaft // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    May as well start with De Jong although he looked shaky last weekend and for that matter we may as well go with Cisse and play 4-4-2
    I can’t see Shola getting much change from a chelsea back line of Ivanovic, Azpilicueta, David Luiz, Cahill, Terry

    Saying that I can’t see De Wrong (choice) or Pisse(poor) doing much, but we expect to lose (possibly heavily) so we may as well try a new partnership

  • 141 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    tads…I actually think is was tested in the quarter finals of the Carling Cup?

  • 142 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Playing Tevez on the wing is just another version of Cisse playing there and Sissoko. It’s a square peg trying to be pushed into a round hole scenario.

    It seems to suit his own preference of a 9-0-1 formation.

  • 143 mindshaft // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    “For all that, Newcastle are eighth in the table with every expectation of finishing in the top half of the top flight, something they’ve achieved only three times in the last decade. ”
    How depressing

  • 144 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Becks 7m away – is that you, G2?

  • 145 Whumpie // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    The big problem with the transfer policy is that it only works up to a point – and we reached that point a while back.

    Buying newer, developing talent and selling on at a profit to move up the league stops working once you reach the top of the scale; it’s the law of diminishing returns.

    We started in the CCC, buying the likes of Willo and turning them into £5m players. We worked up until we are now buying £7m players and turning them (hopefully) into £20+m players.

    But now what? In the top spots, you need a team of £20+m players. If you sell one at £20m, it’s just going to cost you £20m to replace him, otherwise you slip back down the league while your new talent (hopefully) beds in.

    In other words, this approach only works if your reason for owning a club isn’t to get to the top and win stuff, just to provide free advertising for your chav shops.

    Oh, feck. Pass the vaseline…

  • 146 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    jesper

    it’s being used in every prem game this season

  • 147 BandB // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Laurent,

    Thanks.

  • 148 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    Ernest funny you should ask, a bit of both but I’m more partial to DMT..
    Hey mate certain teams just cancel each other and Jose and Pardew have a similar tactic of not pushing many people forward, you may think I’m crazy but I’d even say 0 0. That Chelsea squad has as much or more dead wood than us!

  • 149 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    mindshaft – so much to look forward to eh?

  • 150 BandB // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    Oooo!

    And you too Catchy!

  • 151 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    smoke de ‘erb a cuddle and a knee trembler is crawb up maan :-)

  • 152 wolfshead@toon // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    becca

    ive been saying for years mata is dead wood ;-)

  • 153 Santon03 // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Sometimes I think we are victim of our own transfer policy, I’m talking about maximum age 26 years old.
    Good players at that age are quite expensive probably more than our financial capability. 30+ years old player doesn’t always mean a has been or not good anymore, with no age restriction we probably have more options within our financial range.

  • 154 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    Tsunami g2?

    Although I don’t hate Pardew as much as catchy dislikes him, I agree with just about everything catchy says about him..
    Poor tactics if any, terrible team selection., ineffective formations, no squad rotation, pointless subs it goes on and on.
    He’s so rubbish at his job I can’t stand to listen to him, a better coach would have recognised and payed attention to all those points.
    I’d agree we pass the ball better than last but Pardews learning curve is a joke.

    Everyone knows the buck stops with Ashley but unless he’s dictating the formation and players used, on the pitch is all Pardews fault.
    We may not have a huge squad but we have players who should be given a chance at least in a team with regular first teasers with them instead of all the fringe players thrown in at once with no form or match fitness.

    Trouble throughout the club but do we cut the head off or start chopping legs off. Were in a weird position of knowing what’s wrong yet can’t come sup with a solution to fix the priblem..

  • 155 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    Santon – I think the max 26yo policy is more of an investment policy. Yes, players with good future prospects dont come cheap, but if they realise their potential as they go through the 26-30 range they become very valuable assets. If the policy is implented over say at least 5 seasons, then there should be a healthy turnover of profit from a stream of such players maturing through the squad system.

    Trouble is Mike is interested in seeing such a turnover in around the 2 year mark in order to get his money back, which means we wont see a mature and accomplished squad.

  • 156 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    santon

    players who are 30 may be cheaper but won’t be able sell them for profit 2/3 years down the line, that seems to be the basis of our transfer policy and why our team will often lack experience which is key, especially when trying to come back into games.

  • 157 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Jesper
    I’m not 100% but i think it’s been used in the prem all season
    Didn’t Ivanovic have a goal chalked off vs West Brom or Hull?

    Catchy
    Tevez expects the same, so he leads by example?
    Throwing hissy fits, refusing to come on off the bench, slating team mates and players alike, starting in the manager in training, holding up R.I.P signs with ex managers names on them etc
    Oh aye pure class is Tevez

  • 158 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Is mata any different than Benny for us, what’s the point having a Ferrari if you can’t drive.

    Terry, cole lampard, Torres etc etc that’s not mourning how team and next year it will be totally different. He’s said himself he’s not happy with his squad.

  • 159 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 7, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    In my opinion Pardew has only played Adam Cambell in Europe so he can be attributed to playing the youngest toon player in Europe. In a similar way he loves to tell you about some of his young players from his West Ham ‘glory’ days.

    If the player turns out well, he will yell his talent nurturing abilities from the rooftops in future years. Yet he basically asked him to be a defending winger/wide player (that term again), then he was nowhere to be seen and now he’s been shipped out to St. Mirren (which will do him good).

    If he can’t coach the first team into improving their game going forward, then he won’t have as much chance with those youngsters.

    Rather than ripping into those young players in a live interview, maybe he should look at himself as to why they’re not performing. No Cabaye and Remy freekicks and long shots will get him out of that one.

    There can be a lot of limitations with the young players, however, I’ve seen for years now his generally inept management style, so I’d give those youth players a bit more benefit of the doubt.

  • 160 Tsunki // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    No on second thoughts Webecca, nope you aren’t. Sorry, its just you mentioned ‘manly man’ yesterday I think, one of G2′s treasured phrases.

    Well if we lose badly against Chelsea (and its possible that squad morale is at an all time low now (what with having to wear the kit of the most ridiculed clubs in English football) I fully expect Mike to hand Alan his hat. It would be perfect timing to run in a new one. Lets see…Iain Dowie, Alan Curbishley, Bryan Robson ………….

  • 161 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    Auto correct sucks

    I’m of to walk the dog past the training ground, first teams away but I’ll keep a ear to the ground and see who’s being sacked next..

  • 162 Santon03 // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    I don’t mean the whole squad of over 30s, maybe just 2 or 3 but not in shola calibre. I know re-sell value is 0, but you could get them cheap even for free to help the squad play better to achieve more TV money. If with 2 or 3 over 30′s cost like 2 or 3 million can help us get 20 or 40million from where we finish in the league, I’ll say that is good return.

  • 163 Rebbeca from 7 miles away // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Pardew is going nowhere fast just like Ashley..

    JFK was his protection or smoke screen last time fans had had enough, who knows what’s in store in next few weeks.

    Maybe Dennis wise back as fans liaison…

  • 164 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    tdas

    yeh it’s in place this season, and agree with tevez, the guy gives 100% when on the pitch, but other than that he is a grade (insert whatever slur here)

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    santon

    you’d think that, it makes sense…but for some reason we don’t do it.

  • 166 Markaccus // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    Tevez did not refuse to come off the bench. He refused tk warm up because he had literally just finnished doing so. Mankini took as much of a strop at him.

    Having said that, the guy does not exactly have a sparkling attitude. I think some of it may stem from his life before football stardom. That scar round his neck is not from wearing his bow tie too tight!

  • 167 Transfer Sage // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    markaccus

    either way the result was the bloke wouldn’t go on the pitch….he then stormed off to argentina for 4 months

  • 168 ErnestHemingway // Feb 7, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Rebecca

    I’m not into hallucinagenice these days, those days are gone. I like a gin and a spliff though.

    I admire you optimistic outlook but I can’t see anything other than another howking. Chelsea are playing pretty damn well, our recent record at the bridge is woeful, injuries, suspensiond etc.

    Dead wood at Chelsea? Are we talking about the same team who pretty much out spend everyone else year upon year?

  • 169 hadthetshirt // Feb 7, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    BAH this smug git cant even Lie in bed straight a total gob shite,He couldn’t wait to say the board’s decision to get rid of Joe talk about milking it and lording it up.Well when he gets sacked I for one will have the flags out.We need 3 or 4 players more shite.We will lose at least that many so your talking 6-8.How many players has this arse ruined.BAH
    I just hope chelsea find it hard to score tomorrow but I fear a battering.




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