Furious Pardew Takes Tough Stance With Gutless Players


It;ls been well reported that Alan Pardew was very angry after the Tottenham game and Yoan Gouffran has said that’s the angriest he has ever seen the Newcastle manager, as the Londoner laid into some players in the dressing room and told some home truths and two of the players he slammed were Sylvain Marveaux and Ben Arfa.

Sylvain Marveaux West+Ham

Sylvain Marveaux – slammed by Pardew after Spurs shocker

Sylvain Marveaux has since been demoted to train with the U-18 squad so we can only assume he did not take the criticism from the manager well, and he will now be sold in the summer.

And it;s looking very likely that Ben Arfa will also be sold this summer, and will not be allowed to run down the last year of his contract, when he would become a free agent in the summer of nest year.

In his interviews over the last day Alan Pardew has said he is getting tougher with some of his players – make that those who didn’t seem to care too much against Tottenham, those without any guts or passions, when Newcastle were humiliated at home 4-0.

This is what Alan has said today:

“When I see certain performances, I can forgive and I always leave my door open for a player to come back.”

“I never really shut a door on any player I can think of. Maybe one or two. But if it gets to a stage where I feel it has crossed the line, then I will not be using that particular player as often as I previously would.”

“You have to change and your relationship does change with players because you give them faith and then you take it away by leaving them out of the team and you have to give credibility to that.”

“You cannot be the same all though their periods of form, down sides, up sides. You have to sometimes change to get a reaction.”  “That will be reflected in the team I pick for the next game.”

“Forget about any individual, the most important thing is the club and that performance against Spurs did not represent the club quite frankly. If I was shaking my head that is why. If I was a fan, I would be the same.”

It seems there will be a huge clear out of players this summer, which will mean we will need to bring ion a lot of new players.

Loic Remy, Shola Ameobi, Sylvain Marveaux, Jonas Gutierrez, Ben Arfa, Dan Gosling, Gabby Obertan, Fab Coloccini, Davide Santon, Steven Taylor and Papiss Cisse could all be leaving Newcastle in the summer.

That’s 11 players we would need to replace – but look on the positive side – at least we will not have to rely on Joe Kinnear to bring in the new players over the summer.

But exactly who we will be relying on is not yet known since Joe Kinnear has yet to be replaced.

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133 comments so far

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #1

    Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 22, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Niafron,
    Why? The team doesn’t play in a way that benefits him, although we do play to highlight his ability. He don’t produce regularly enough to be carried through games and he will be sold in the summer.

    I’d personally prefer that we looked to build something for next year by using players who are more likely to be here. Not great for this year, but hey, nor is the current first 11 judging by recent gems.

    13Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 22, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    Jesper,
    If it was the first time HBA had under performed at a club, then fair enough, but under performing and not producing enough from his undoubted talent is what he has been most consistent at in his career.

    To take it to an extreme stat, Obertan has more goals and assists per minute played at Newcastle than HBA. Surely we should be starting him……

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #2

    Lilongwe…could you please apply that to the rest of our players?

    …I don’t get this general slagging from some of you about Benny’s past performances at different clubs. I was there and I don’t remember that.

    But if you want to talk about ability and underperforming or poor stats there are plenty of other players at the club I would love to discuss?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #3

    Niafron,
    Every player is capable of that. HBA has more talent than most, but doesn’t use it well. It isn’t a managerial thing s it has been the same throughout his career. It is just his football brain doesn’t match his talent.

    As for why people are so sure he will leave, I can’t speak for others, but I can explain why I think it is pretty much certain. He will have 1 year left on his contract. The club won’t want to lose him on a free. When in Newcastle, I have met him, and spoken to him, and judging by that, and his thoughts on Balon d’Or etc. he values himself at a much higher wage then what Newcastle would offer him as a squad player (which is all he is here). So, it makes sense for both parties to sell him.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #4

    Ed…sadly someone should get tough on Pardew 😉

    The club is not in a position to decide who runs down their contract or not! It is going to be a bittersweet experience to see where Newcastle goes from here – who will we blame when the usual suspects are gone;)

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #5

    Would be so much easier changing the manager with someone who fits the style of players we have, seem to scout and buys!

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  • cyprus

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #6

    “I never really shut a door on any player I can think of. Maybe one or two. But if it gets to a stage where I feel it has crossed the line, then I will not be using that particular player as often as I previously would.”

    Huh? You NEVER shut the player except on may be one or two??? So that’s not never, right?

    Ed,
    Perhaps your next post should read,

    Furious Players Take Tough Stance With Gutless Pardew

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #7

    Jesper,
    And I would happily discuss them all, but people seem to place HBA on a pedestal when in reality, we have players who have done far more than he has for the team and club, but don’t get people as excited by running into dead ends or continually blazing the ball over the bar.

    Given Remy, LFJ, Goofy and HBA, who starts? For me, it is Remy and Goofy playing off LDJ every time.

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  • catchy in norway

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #8

    i very much care about HBA, he is a scape goat for AP,

    he is the one player we have in our squad that our team should be built around,

    in (what i think should be his natural position) right behind the forward or AMC, he would shine,

    over the last week i have studied how pardew plays his game and why layers like HBA and marv will never fit in

    the one thing that has been common in all of his seasons is the link up between a CF and MF, he prefers not to commit bodies to the 18Y box, he dont mind the odd runner from MF but he will not put someone there as a genuine link between them, he likes his strikers to drop deep,

    he prefers to hold onto the ball in MF pass side ways and backwards,

    in each of his 3 seasons here
    we shoot more than any other team outside the box, fact
    we shoot less than anyone inside the 18Y box , fact

    i know people slate big sam, but the guy never hides the way he wants to play the game, pardew tries to have us all believe that he is a forward thinking manager, always on the front foot, and blames his players for everything going wrong,

    i get sick of people coming on here and say we are passing the ball better, when then stats are the same for every season he has been here,

    for every good 45 mins of football we play under pardew, i can point to 10 full games of poor but lucky in some way games we have played,

    while i believe bigs sams football is poor, it is the same football that pardew plays, but sam has perfected it better with more average players,

    i hope we lose tomorrow, its one step closer to the door for him

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #9

    Pardew has crossed the line himself with his record breaking bad results.

    I wouldn’t even send him to the under 18s. He’ll wreck them as well.

    Pardew is full of it. Did he send Jonas and Tiote to the under 18s last year when they played poorly? No, he kept them in the team!

    It his Pardew’s clueless coaching and containing football which is ruining Hatem and Sylvain. It’s no wonder that they are the flair players in the team and we have a dinosaur football manager.

    Yet he goes ahead and uses them as an example.

    Marveaux was a get out of jail card for Pardew last year. We’d have been relegated without his assists.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #10

    Cyprus…how I would love for that to happen?

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  • cyprus

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #11

    Lil,
    Comparing Ober with HBA… You are joking I’m sure.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #12

    Jesper

    We need a new owner.

    Are there managers out there that come with their testicles already removed?
    Pardew is perfect for Ashley.

    Heel boy.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #13

    Catchy, in that Tottenham game, we counted 6 players attacking is either in the box or right on the edge.

    When we break free we either have 1 and another following or a couple with a third starting to run.

    There is no wonder why we don’t score many goals.

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  • cbtoon82

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #14

    We can’t replace one player. Never mind eleven. This summer will either make or break us. The way things are going I would bet in the later.

    To me it still looks like Ashley is getting ready to sell up.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #15

    It wasn’t 6 players everytime they attacked but it was a number of times, and a higher ratio when there were 5 and 4.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #16

    Catchy,
    I assume that you also believe that his previous managers also are clueless? Or could it possibly be that HBA is the problem for his natural talent not flourishing as it should.

    I don’t think anyone could deny that he has an incredible natural ability. But no club has got the best out of him. Looking back through his career, he has always been a squad player, never a top star.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #17

    Cyprus,
    Tongue in cheek, but it is also an accurate stat. Just like Ober produced the most assists per minute played last season….

    *I don’t want Ober to start, as i said when initially mentioning him I was taking it to the extreme…..

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #18

    Lilongwe…when I speak to people who are not Newcastle fans Benny is not the player who gets mentioned for our misfortune. Now I don’t think Benny is blameless but more often he get mentioned in a positive tone where I am from because he makes a difference. No other player beside Cabs and Benny really made s difference here. But then you come on here and everything is upside down!

    Stats are being twisted, history is being changed and stories are bring told. Everything is so subjective and personal, but there is rarely any room for a different side of it.

    We can have this discussion next season again I would love to hear your thoughts then I’ll put a reminder in my calendar.

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  • geordieboy83

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #19

    Catchy

    Morning, in my opinion you can’t point the blame at Pardew for Ben Arfa or marveux. HBA gas struggled under far better managers than Pardew and he’s not quite good enough to warrant being given a free role to do as he pleases. People bang on about bobby and Keegan giving players licence to be free, but football has changed and evolved too much for passengers. The very best teams in the world every one if their players busts a bollock for the cause. I love HBA he gets me off my seat, but he’s infuriating beyond belief.

    Marveux is just a lazy torag, to see him lose the ball and stand still had me spitting mad.

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  • niafron

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #20

    @Lilongwe

    You’re a pragmatic man. I’m a romantic. So i prefer HBA to Rémy. All about taste you know…

    But to say “every palyer is capable of that…”.

    Sorry, there’s maybe 2 or 3 players in the world who could score the same way he did against Blackburn.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #21

    Harem…but he is not perfect for Newcastle or us fans.

    If players can use us as a stepping stone and we being okay with it, there are probably managers like that as well 😉

    I am not worried about that.

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  • geordieboy83

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #22

    With this shots outside the box thing I get what you’re saying but you’re the first one to complain if we don’t have any shots fella. Can’t have it all ways unfortunately

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Feb 22, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #23

    cbtoon82

    It’s the perfect season for Ashley.

    No possibility of relegation so no need to buy (again).
    Sell top player for a profit.
    No chance of winning a cup and getting into Europe.

    Cover SJP in as much free SD advertising as possible.

    Life at NUFC is perfect for Ashley.
    & everyone keeps turning up and paying him to watch the pantomime.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #24

    Jesper,
    Only Cabs and Benny really made a difference here??? You realise that is a ludicrous statement?? HBA’s less than average goals and assists tally would argue with that. Erm Demba, Krul. Colo, Nolan, Enrique, Barton etc haven’t done much.

    People like HBA because he is exciting and runs at people. But in his entire career he has always under performed. In the same way Catchy thinks people don’t watch the game and see Pardews tactics, people only remember HBA beating a man, they don’t remember him wasting it after…

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  • John Tudor

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #25

    should be players take a tough stance on gutless manager

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #26

    Lilongwe…in a global world your assessment doesn’t represent alot of us living outside of the UK 🙂

    …or been brought up outside the UK!

    That is why I told you that story before – I think it is important to bear in mind.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #27

    Niafron,
    Ha, pragmatic versus romantic? Behave. I’m a born and bred Newcastle fan, so I want what is best for Newcastle, as I’m sure you do. I want someone who does there job regularly, or failing that more often than cherry picking a moment from over 2 years ago….. I’m not denying his ability, I’m saying he doesn’t do it enough to justify the idolise and hero worship. All his previous managers appear to have thought the same given his lack of regular starting place at all clubs and internationally.

    I loved Robert and Ginola, because they were more likely to give us something than HBA.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #28

    It’s true, actually. Most other teams’ fans are relieved when HBA is not on our team sheet. They don’t say, oh yes that guy can’t defend so it’s logical that he’s not on your team.

    Most of the blame should go on the coaches because admittedly HBA has NOT progressed since he came… I’ll be upset when he goes (agreed Lil on that), but then again I’ll understand.

    The team should have been built around him, I agree with a previous post. When he came on vs. spurs (like many times) there was a sense of panic in the opposition, but he tries to do too much in too little time, hence the silly runs.

    Now:
    Of course, you may be right regarding football brains. So, give him a run of FULL ten games. We are playing for nothing (do you seriously think we’ll overcome ANY of our opponents?) so now is the ‘safe’ time to try things out. AP’s job is gone if he continues in this way anyways.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #29

    Lilongwe…I don’t understand this argument about Benny having underperformed all his career!

    …he has had run ins with his managers because of his attitude.

    Niafron…care to elaborate? I watched alot of Lyon and OM in the past and cannot remember this.

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  • cbtoon82

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #30

    Hatem – I agree. But what happens in the summer? I personally think there is more than just a possibility of 11 players leaving. Either because we want rid or they want to leave (and I wouldn’t blame them). if that happens we won’t have a team. It will cost Ashley a lot of money to rebuild. I can’t see him doing that.

    No one really knows Ashley’s plans or ambitions (or lack of) for the club.

    It just seems odd to me that he wouldn’t want to win anything. And even more odd that he didn’t invest when we could have pushed for champions league this season. Man city and Chelsea will be the top 2 but the other two spots could be anyone’s.

    Hence why I think he’s aiming to sell. He clearly has no interest in running a football club, especially ours. He has not invested at all this season bar two loan signings. He’s keeping Pardew even though our results and performances have been rubbish.
    To me it all paves the way for a new owner to come in with his own manager who will be able to rebuild how they see fit. And not to mention the financial side of the club is looking good.

    I’m probably wrong, but it’s just my opinion.

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  • jimmysmith

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #31

    How many managers have the gravitas to start making financial demands of owners and pull it off. Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez got away with it at Liverpool for a while. Wouldn’t fancy even their chances with Ashley though. Not one bit, actually.

    Keegan did it the first time round with Sir John Hall, but failed the second time round with the current owner. Isn’t that a major part of why it all went south. Can’t think of too many others in our sphere, at clubs of similar stature who’ve managed it. Oneil at Villa had his way for while, till it came crashing down around him.

    This idea that Pardew hasn’t got the guts to stand up to his owner and successfully demand he start spending seems a little unrealistic to say the least. Ash is a tightarse, that’s it. Once bitten, twice shy.

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  • davetoon

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #32

    Villa at home is a massive game for Pardew.

    If we dont win this game, you know the reports will start to emerge that he’s lost the dressing room…

    Thats usually the first step to the end

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  • John Tudor

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #33

    he lost it @xmas

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #34

    Maybe I have to watch this game tomorrow after all!

    …if not for kicks then just to see who Pardew will blame this time around when everything goes south 😉

    Disclaimer: I don’t want NUFC to loose but this season was over a long time ago!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #35

    davetoon

    did that not happen a along time ago?

    It’s a same pardew has no coaching ability to develop flair players, just blame them as scapegoats.

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  • davetoon

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #36

    a lot of fans have been saying it but not journalists

    when journalists start saying it, Ashley will be put in an untenable position

    most journalists now are saying Ashley has spent a lot of money on Newcastle and he’s not a sheik so what is he sposed to do and also that Pardew hasnt been supported in the windows

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #37

    Pardew is out of his depth and the Calibre of players at his disposal are way beyond his coaching abilities. ALA west ham with Mascherano and Tevez.

    He may do very well with a club like Cardiff or West Brom and keep them up year after year. Newcastle is too big for him.

    He seem lost and clueless and is just ruining the team and will make all the top players leave. We need to bring in a top class manager to work with this group of international players before it’s too late.

    Manager like the great Robson had average players consistently punching above their weight and made us one of the strongest team in Europe.

    Pardew can make a international player look worse than league 2 standard.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #38

    On Ben Arfa, he is a flair player so it’s not expected that every single game he is outstanding.

    Ginola and Robert were both part of teams which attacked as a general philosophy, which also drags opposition players around the pitch and creates pockets and spaces to run into.

    We don’t have that, so Hatem can run into dead ends from time to time.

    The lad was a lot younger at his previous clubs as well remember. Naturally, his form may be a bit sporadic.

    He is our door opener so to speak and regardless of Pardew often using him as a scapegoat, he has scored us goals and provided assists.

    If he can do that with swamp for brains in charge, then he can definitely do more with an attack minded coach in charge.

    Look at how he was playing when we played 433 with Cisse centre and Demba on the left. He was excellent. Only for Pardew to change the formation up.

    Glimpses of Hatem in a game are far more exciting than watch Pardew instruct his team contain the opposition for 90 minutes by playing boring football and trying to nick a goal by a long shot, deflection, free kick or penalty. A process which is pointless in the actual enjoyment of playing football, unless it is the dying minutes of a game or a specific match where it is needed. They are few and far in between.

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  • davetoon

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #39

    @ilovetoon have to agree about Pardew @ west ham. I guess unlike most who want Pardew gone straight away, I am a realist and am wary about who will replace him and how Ashley will not change his ways. We may get a bounce from a change in manager but will most likely be back here a year from now

    I think ironically we will probably beat Villa cos players like Remy will be wanting to perform for so the bigger teams will take notice

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  • John Tudor

    Feb 22, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #40

    is van gaal wanting in

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