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Round Pegs In Square Holes Again At Newcastle

1:27 pm, Friday, February 28th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 124 Comments

At his press conference yesterday, Alan Pardew said a rather stage thing when he intimated he would try some players in  different positions through the end of the season, and see how they performed.

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Davide Santon – could get a game on right wing?

We suppose one example of that was when he used Davide Santon in defensive midfield at Stamford Bridge,  and we thought the 23 year-old Italian had a decent game at Stamford Bridge.

But then in the next game at home to Tottenham, Davide was simply a disaster in that first half, as he kept giving the ball away, and was beaten time and again by the Spurs’  speedy wingers.

He was replaced at half-time by Paul Dummett, and the local lad from Kenton has looked good,  and taken over the corner kicks from Davide, and should get an extended run in the side.

This is some what Alan Pardew had to say yesterday:

“I’ll certainly take the opportunity to look at one or two and sometimes the formations we play too.” “We’ll see if someone can do a different role, and we’ve had good success with that over the years I’ve been here.”

“We’ll maybe look for one or two to play in unusual positions.”  “There are some players we’re looking to for next year who are going to get a bit more time. Luuk de Jong, for sure. Adam Armstrong, we’ll maybe have to pitch him in at some point.”

“Others might get a shout, it depends on results. Our focus with our academy this year has been about being local and we’re starting to get some through.”

Maybe it’s a way of giving Davide a game once he’s fit again, but of course Cheick Tiote is back now, although Alan Pardew could try Davide down the right wing.

That’s where he started his career, before Jose Mourinho switched him to left back for Inter-Milan almost five years ago.

Maybe he will try Paul Dummett down the left wing, since he’s an attacking kind of player, and can put ion some great crosses with that left foot of his, and he also has an eye for goal, and hit a beautiful shot just over the bar on Sunday in the second half against Aston Villa.

But it’s very rare that a player playing out of position is as good as in his normal position,. so we’re not sure if  it will work too well through the end of the season.

What would work well is to give some youngsters like Adam Armstrong a game, and we’re not sure why young Sammy Ameobi wasn’t even a substitute on Sunday afternoon – because he deserves his chance too.

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124 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ciaran // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    Santon playing at left back is a round peg in a square hole.

  • 2 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    A nice little cover up for him to use as an excuse for more poor performances.

    Include the youngsters a few times, yes.

    Santon at defensive midfield?

    Sissoko is a ready made midfielder playing wide with a very limited final cross. Tiote is the DM.

    Round pegs in round holes please and having them do what they’re good at.

    Campbell played as a defensive winger when Pardew brought him on, which was wrong to start with.

    He can’t get us playing well his way to start with, so trying out other flamboyant positions is just a waste of time and is more proof that he can’t get the same players to be effective by working with them.

  • 3 cyprus // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    So Lawro predicting a 2-1 and the comedian a draw 1-1. I think we’ll beat them.

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    have no problem with trying people in different positions if you think they will do well there, how else do you know.

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    However, formations and personnel are unimportant if the playing style and overall set up isn’t up to scratch.

  • 6 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    T S i think you need to be absolutely sure before they are let loose on the field in a real game

  • 7 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Transfer, I don’t have a problem with it…. as you say, as long as we know what we’re doing to start with. We don’t.

    Ciaran, Santon has said his favourite position is on the left side. If the team would cover him and not leave him isolated, I’m sure he would look a lot better. I like him, although he does have faults.

    Going past players is a great asset and one which should be used to better effect. He cuts in, but players still don’t manage to stop him too often. He can then lay it off to the players with product…. in the right system.

  • 8 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:50 PM

    I he having a laugh i nearly choked of my pie
    http://www.clubcall.com/newcastle-united/tiote-can-fill-cabaye-void—pardew-1715350.html?

  • 9 Sliema // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Santon was not transformed to a LB. He is a a RB. It’s Pardew who has played him there, possibly his worst position possible, he’s shocking and every opposing manager tells their RWs to go at him cause he is a weak link.

    If not Right back then either wing would do, looks decent cutting in from the left with quite powerful shots.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Truth

    Yeh I don’t mean just trying to something out for the sake of it, got to have a reason…ie the lad has certain attributes and then work on that in training games too.

    But I’m not against it, if it fails it fails, if there are no better options then go for it.

  • 11 Ciaran // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    Really long article but poses some excellent questions, in my opinion at least.

    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/mark-douglas-could-newcastle-city-6757825

  • 12 Howay50 // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    Pardew is tactically inept, would trust him with my washing. Probelm is that you just can’t polish a turd and that’s what he is.

  • 13 Ancientcoptic // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    “I’ll certainly take the opportunity to look at one or two and sometimes the formations we play too.”

    Pardew has been doing the same thing since he has arrived. His style of football is the long direct ball, when that does not work, he experiments, when his experiments fail, he reverts back to the long direct ball again.

    This system is repeated over and over.

    My preference would be for the team to play an attacking style of football; then perfect this system.

    We are not going to see a possession style game any time soon, we simply do not have the players for it. Players like Sissoko and Tiote could never work in a possession themed team.

  • 14 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Shola in goal sounds about Pardew for the course.

  • 15 Ciaran // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    LR32

    Santon isn’t left isolated, he leaves others isolated. His tracking back is appalling, defensive positioning is non-existent, never closes down the cross and is defensive mist when faced with a runner cutting in.

    As a full-back the man is an unmitigated disaster. With Dummett and Haidara, Santon should never get a single minute at left back again.

    Does that mean he cannot find form somewhere else? Maybe he will, but his days at full-back should be consigned to the chapter of NUFC history labelled ‘Cack Defending’

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    ancient

    why not? they can both pass quite well/

    Also poyet has some donkeys passing it around nicely at sunderland

  • 17 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Pardew has some donkeys that can’t pass.

  • 18 toon kk // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    At least half of our squad are championship players at best, so once they’re out of their usual position they’ll be shown for what they are.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    for all I’m not Pardew fan we have still had some good times and games under him, he’s not all bad.

  • 20 Shadow_Shearer // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    Theres nothin wrong with putting players in different positions, but there’s only so much a player can do in certain positions.

    Santon is versatile, can play multiple positions, but he’s naturally a wide player, which means anywhere on the wings. Playing Santon in defensive midfield is round pegs in square holes. Cause he did well in 1 game doesn’t make him a defensive mid.

  • 21 70TWO // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    the truth will out

    A well considered article you posted

    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/mark-douglas-could-newcastle-city-6757825

    Extremism exists at both ends of the scale, the majority of fans are happy to support a team in the Premier League and not be apathetic or against Ashley making the club a profitable business. However, I believe there is a lack of positivity due to his inability to form a professional relationship between the club and its supporters.

  • 22 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    To go with the league one manager.

  • 23 Ancientcoptic // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    Transfer Sage, Tiote & Sissoko can pass okay, but okay isn’t good enough for possession football. Players need to be naturally composed and intelligent for that style of game.

    Tiote plays from deep, so his passing ratio is quite good, but put him under pressure and he starts to wobble and gives the ball away.

    Sissoko does not have the composure to take the ball into his feet, use crafty body language, then thread a pass. Sissoko is more likely to pick the ball up and run with the ball in a panic… at times shooting from silly distances which is another form of anti-possession football. I have seen Sissoko play some beautiful passes, but they do not happen often enough.

    I do rate Sissoko for his power and pace, but if we are talking possession football, he is not that style of player.

  • 24 Shadow_Shearer // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Also playin demba Ba on left wing was round peg in square holes. The season after it was cisse on the right wing which was another example.

  • 25 toon kk // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if shola gets offered a new short term contract will save Mash money on a new player.

  • 26 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    I posted the article that tiote could fill cabeyes boots if only as a sold player to manciteh
    it was in fact ciaran

  • 27 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    He played MYM, as centre mid against Villa.

  • 28 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    What next willo as a bean pole cf

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    ancient

    Fair enough I guess, but I don’t like possession football in the barca model anyway.

    I prefer the arsenal approach to keep possession but also attack quickly. Much more interesting to watch.

    Same with Dortmund, the season they won the league they had an average of 47% possession in their matches, they used to just get forward as quick as possible when they won the ball…either through quick passing, long stuff to lewondowski or somebody bursting through with the ball.

    i’m not saying we have the same level of player, but we certainly could adopt that style with better management.

  • 30 Ancientcoptic // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    Sunderland possession in some of their last games.

    35% against Arsenal. (It is Arsenal to to be expected)

    48% at home again Saints.

    44% at home against Hull.

    49% when they beat us, when we were woeful.

    48% against Stoke.

  • 31 Ancientcoptic // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    Sage, I do not mind a more direct approach, so long as it is effective.

    Pardew could be on the right tracks, for the squad he has. I just wish he would figure out which style of football it is that he wants to play, the team needs a philosophy/model that can worked on and improved over time.

  • 32 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    Hello! Pardews had four years to sort a system out!

  • 33 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    Ciaran, he has played very well for large stretches of games too though. Man of the match a good number of times.

    He does get caught out a lot, but I also see Real and Barca full-backs not sprinting back as well. They have the full team pressing the opposition to hold off a counter attack and someone will cover their full backs going forward. We don’t do that. Rarely will the midfield shift across to fill in the gap until he gets back.

    If the team was based on attacking, we would automatically be defending. It gets highlighted more with Santon, because due to lack of bodies going forward, we lose possession and they counter with a big void to be filled on the left.

    I would like to see Santon in a more forward thinking team where the players knew how to interchange around the pitch.

    His final ball needs to improve a lot. That should be drilled into him.

    He has a lot to improve on, but the team doesn’t do what it should to compensate for his movement.

    It’s impossible to sprint forward and back all game at full pace. This is when the team needs to help. Even with all our containing, it still doesn’t occur properly.

    Bez used to get forward all the time with Ginola doing nothing at all to help. The team would help more than they do now.

  • 34 70TWO // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    Ancientcoptic

    I was wondering about Sissoko in the midst of this discussion on Santon and your right he has plenty of positives but lacking in the skills needed to be an excellent central midfileder. Hence why he is used ‘out of harms way’ on the wing, where he does not exactly fit either.

    Mister Tuff posted an article yesterday which mentioned Klopps training, to paraphrase it was something about being able to teach skills that were perhaps deficient if their was desire and natural ability. Santon and Sissoko have both and appear to be being let down in training.

  • 35 70TWO // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    I only want to prove I am not wrong:

    the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    A good read?
    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/mark-douglas-could-newcastle-city-6757825?
    well i thought so

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    ancient

    i guess they play a passing game, not a possession game, my apologies.

    I do agree, you need a style that is set then mix and match to suit the game but with that basic style.

  • 37 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    ciaran posted that not me

  • 38 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Oh to have Klopp as manager…

  • 39 toon kk // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    To be honest if a new manager came in he may get a little more out of our players but apart from a handful of players they simply aren’t good enough.
    We are 8th at the moment which is good for the squad we have no other manager is going to get us much higher without investment in the squad and we all know that is a great place to be as far as Mash is concerned.

  • 40 catchy in norway // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I think lots have got it all wrong about HBA, they chose to believe what pardew has said, rather than look at what he offers the team

    decision making, I think you said that he is poor at it,

    HBA has a 84% completion rate he is the 6th best in our squad only tiote is higher from our current MF selection
    goofy 83 %
    cabaye 82%
    sissoko 80%
    also

    when it comes to goals and assists

    goofy has a goal or assist every 113 minutes of play
    HBA is second with every 135 minutes
    cabaye third with 183 minutes
    and sissoko has a goal or an assist every 371 minuts

    pardew should be sacked for not playing his best players in there best positions

  • 41 catchy in norway // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    Ciaran

    i know you have a season ticket, and im very surprised you carnt actually see this,

    anyone who plays fullback under pardew has to do 2 jobs, he is a winger and a fullback, i have no problem with them offering support, but since pardew first got here he has used the guy who is ment to be a winger, he tends to cut in all the time, he switches sides of the pitch often, which leaves the guys at the back exposed a lot both santon and debuchy spend to much time in front of the wingers,

    i carnt find out for sure, but id bet if you checked who where the premier leagues top runners, id bet both debuchy and santon would be in the top 5,

    and whether people choose to believe me or not, goofy is santons problem, he does not cover as much as people think he does,

    i know you watch it live, but i beg you to watch the games again, and i promise you, you will see that goofy has let a lot of people just run past him,,

    infact i will try my best to go through the match of the day highlights and find them for you,

    i feel sorry for a lot of players under pardew, there not protected, there hung out to dry, as scape goats

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Feb 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    catchy

    i’ll stand by my comment HBA is a poor decision maker, especially when in the final third, he just doesn’t take the best option the amount of time he shoots/tries to beat another man when a pass is on…it’s what I see in games.

    I also think when you look at the top sides in their leagues like bayern and cheslea they both have wingers and fullbacks helping and covering each other, reasonable to ask that.

    I don’t like the lack of style or lack of plan in the winger offering cover as they just get back, they don’t do anything under pardew, people don’t press in right places or at the right time etc.

    Pardew is a poor manager but the players we have are lazy too.

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Feb 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    I anticipated that Percy Parsnip (aka the serpent-tongued, silver barnetted snake oil salesman) will be doing some experimentation with some of the squad players to see if they can hack it in the first team. It would appear that Percy is extending this to a further stage by experimenting in playing players out of position. This frightens me somewhat – experiments like this should be done on the training pitch and only then put into the public stage -when it has been assessed that there is more of a chance of the experiment working than not working. Playing the lesser known players out of position is experimentation taken too far. Percy may choose to do this at away games -doing it -with a disastrous result at SJP -could lead to trouble.

  • 44 catchy in norway // Feb 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    Transfer Sage

    that’s is your opinion

    he must be doing something right

    second highest pass completion and second in the golas and assists
    way higher than sissoko , who keeps him out of the team
    a winger primary job is to create/ score goals, second is to help his full back

    now , we still concede goals for fun, and with sissoko creating /scoring 1 in every 371 minutes, (yes he is not a winger) surley HBA would get that spot every time..

    players arnt playing for him,

  • 45 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 28, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    Mister Tuff, I agree.

  • 46 70TWO // Feb 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    “We’ll maybe look for one or two to play in unusual positions.”

    Pardidilla-the-fiddulla has been at the karma sutra again, or is he looking to bring yoga onto the pitch. Only confirms to me that he moves players around until he hits upon something that works. It took him 2 seasons to push Cabaye further forward and too long to realise Shola is not a playmaker.

  • 47 Wayayman // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Er, Alan. That’s what training is for, to test out new things, putting players in different positions when there’s no points at stake and no harm can be done.

    Look, if Pardew SERIOUSLY thinks that Santon did well against Chelsea in CM, he’s even more deluded than we thought. Playing in CM means you have to ANTICIPATE what is going on around you and not just react to what is happening. That’s why the very best in the world in that position are brilliant readers of the game. It’s the same thing that gives players that ‘yard in their head’ that old pro’s sometimes talk about.
    Our best readers of the game are Collo, Anita, Tiote & Debuchy. Williamson isn’t bad either as he’s proved recently. It was one of Cabaye’s strengths.
    Santon can’t ever REACT to what is going on around him when he’s playing full back, no wonder he let so many runners go past him when he played in CM.

    I hate, hate these new breed of managers who rely on stats as some sort of proof. Stats are useless without context. Sure Santon might have made more passes than any of our team V Chelsea, but that’s hardly saying much is it!?!

    Those same stats tell you that Ben Arfa has made more assists/minute than anyone on our team. The reality is that he’s played far fewer minutes than most of them though, so that will skew the stats. FFS, Obertan has amazing stats, and look at how sh!te he is!

  • 48 kt97toonarmy // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    Wayayman

    He made 1 good pass in game (santon) so in pardews mind hes the next iniesta. Nd in ashleys mind ££££££

  • 49 Mister Tuff // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Wayayman – just got me thinking about a pet hate of mine – I might be out of touch -but I still hate it. I’m talking about the “apparently modern” concept of “assists”. Where the hell did this come from – is it American football or some of these new fangled computer football games or a mixture of both. It is in my opinion a useless mode of determining a players ability or lack thereof -or put it another way I can spot a good player and I can spot a poor player -don’t need any fancy dan phraseology to help me decide.

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Fancy Dan Phraseology….Out!
    Round Pegs….Out!
    Square Pegs….In!

    Sorted.

  • 51 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Parsnips out
    Swedes in

  • 52 Cantbuyye // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    Me personally would put Santon on the RW, he can’t be any worse there than at LB. Give Sissoko a rest for a few games and keep Anita and Tiote working the mid and Goofy and Santon on the wings, with LDJ and Remy upfront.

  • 53 catchy in norway // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    obertans pass completion rate , 69%

    my point was HBA has our second best pass completion and is second best at goal/assists

    couple that with the fact he gets you excited when he is running at players,

    he is a not as bad as many make out at defending, he is no worse than goofy

  • 54 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    good call 52 sissoko cant head a ball

  • 55 Whumpie // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    Good discussion, this…

    A couple of things made me cough me coffee up, though:
    “Pardew has been doing the same thing since he has arrived. His style of football is the long direct ball”
    What? We’ve got the lowest long-ball count in the league, man. Get up to date.

    And catchy – I’d be interested to know where you’re getting those Benny stats from, because I’ve seen very different ones which tally much better with what I’ve perceived in his performances this season. In those he had a terrible pass completion rate and assists. Moreover, when he plays, we tend to lose – the opposite of Cabs.
    Personally I think Benny should be sold. Sorry, fella – very exciting when on form, but it’s just been too long since we saw that, and it doesn’t tend to win matches.
    Sad, really. Same as Cisse.
    On the up-side, we’re seeing Dummett and Armstrong coming through, and tbh a bit of English talent wouldn’t go amiss right now.

  • 56 Whumpie // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Truth will out @ 8: Sorry to burst your bubble, but that Clubcall article with the title, “Tiote can fill Cabaye void – Pardew” is a great example of the absolute shite masquerading as journalism on the web. At no point does Pardew say anything of the sort.
    Just another crap website trying to get their ad revenues up by printing misleading headlines. Pisses me off.

  • 57 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    No bubble burst here , i think we might find later down the line when no-one arrives that’s just the shite he will say.

  • 58 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    More than they spreading that but of course journos are not to be believed.

  • 59 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    So if no journos print nothing rumours scandals nothing,what then word of mouth.

  • 60 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    Id like to see your version of bennys stats whumpie

  • 61 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    yes sell benny any takers?

  • 62 Harley // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    Catchy

    Blog moron you live up to your name by constantly spelling can’t with an r. And don’t try and say its a spell check from you phone or you make yourself look even more like a moron.

    Ha ha you even called me spotty because I called you it!!!

    You make my day!!!!!

    I’ve told you before but you won’t listen, go away and leave the adults to talk football.

    Or you could think of another name to call me to go along with numpty, tool, spotty and tart. I’m sure even someone of your limited brain power can think of a better one.

    Don’t disappear next time when we put a run together, the blog needs morons like you for equilibrium.

  • 63 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/cheick-tiote-can-fill-yohan-cabaye-void-at-newcastle-says-alan-pardew-9160541.html

  • 64 believeintoon // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Coloccini will not be involved in tomorrow’s match against Hull.

    Oh,no…

  • 65 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Taylor in ffs it best be untrue

  • 66 mindshaft // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    If collo is out and Saylor plays we’re definitely gonna get beaten – I’d rather start with 10 men

  • 67 mindshaft // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    So far, pard’s has praised long,jelavic,Huddleston, praised the chairman for allowing bruce to sign over 24 yr olds and now he reckons Bruce is manager of the year – maybe he wants toon to become the new Hull !!!

  • 68 mindshaft // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Kinel – Collos in Argentina more than the toon these days

  • 69 mindshaft // Feb 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Gutted
    ewcastle captain Fabricio Coloccini will not be involved in Saturday’s fixture at Hull following a family bereavement

    By Anthony Marshall – Newcastle United Managing Editor

    Newcastle United captain Fabricio Coloccini will not be involved in Saturday’s Barclays Premier League fixture at Hull following a family bereavement.

    The centre-back has been allowed to return home to Argentina to spend time with family rather than make the trip to the KC Stadium.

  • 70 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    I would just like to talk a bit about Adam Armstrong. 7 goals in 5 appearances for the England U-17s, 6 goals in 9 matches in the U-21 Prem league. Only 17 years old but with a very bright future. Can we develop him properly? Let’s hope so. At 17 wasn’t Rooney already getting playing time with Everton?

  • 71 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    Very disappointed to see Colo will be missing for the Hull match. That means Saylor will probably partner Willo. They have a couple of decent strikers in Jelavic and Long. We will obviously depend on Remy and hopefully Gouffran has a good game. No Cabaye in the middle. No Colo. Hmmm.

  • 72 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    Enough talk about finances by now I would think. Ashley has been a failure at growing the commercial revenue. How odd for a supposed brilliant business man. The only way he can keep us in the black is by selling players. No apparent football strategy and a manager who constantly has to apologize and waffle.

  • 73 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    We made much more in commercial revenue in the years before Ashley took over. How to explain that? Possibly it has something to do with the total emphasis on Sports Direct advertising which brings nothing in to the club?

  • 74 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    Do you guys think we could try out Pardew in a different position? ;)

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    GT…I’ll give you a harrumph for that statement ;)

  • 76 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    Let’s have a look at what has happened to Adam Campbell. With St. Mirren he has 2 goals in 8 appearances. What on earth are we doing loaning him to St. Mirren? Is this the best we can do for the lad?

  • 77 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Yes I would like to give Pardew the position of left outside jesper mate. Possibly Ashley could step in and show us how much he has learned after owning the club for seven years? No maybe not a good idea. His bodyguards would have a busy time of it.

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Harrumph!

  • 79 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    What’s happening with Ferguson at Birmingham? Can’t even get a game? When is his loan over? It has been a complete waste of time. Let’s start treating our younger players properly.

  • 80 Harley // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    G2

    I don’t think that’s a great return for someone playing in the Scottish league.

    I don’t see Campbell making it at premiership level. I would love to be proved wrong but I doubt he will.

    I remember Defoe being loaned out to Bournemouth when he was young and he couldn’t stop scoring.

    I think if Campbell was going to succeed he’d be scoring for fun in that poor league.

  • 81 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    I just worry about his confidence now Harley mate. Should he come back to us and play in the Reserves? Better competition. He’s still only 19. Don’t want to give up on him yet.

  • 82 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    Oh I’m going to say Harrumph all right jesper mate. Stay tuned.

  • 83 Harley // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    G2

    I’m far more confident of Armstrong he looks the real deal.

    I’d love to see him get a few games.

  • 84 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    We don’t look like a team ready to pack it in most of the time but I worry about our younger players and their confidence. Are we a bit of a shambles at the squad level and is it partly because of Pardew? Santon is a shadow of the player who first came to us. Mbiwa plays really well at times but then commits huge blunders. Saylor has definitely regressed. Marveaux is finished it seems. We don’t need to talk about Obertan. Where are the young players that are improving under Pardew? I’m trying to come up with one.

  • 85 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    And he has that giant heed Harley. It looks so impressive. A good header of the ball surely?

  • 86 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    What about Haidara and Bigi? Have they progressed well? I know both have had injuries but do they look like better players for having come to us or is it too early to tell. Where do they fit into the plans for next season? Bench players? Loan players? What are we going to do with them and who will decide?

  • 87 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    What about Vuckic and Gosling? Surely it’s time to finally make decisions about them? So many injuries between them but what is best for their futures? We have so many players like this on the books. It’s just ridiculous with no upper management to make decisions.

  • 88 Ciaran // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    Adam Campbell was in exactly the same situation as Armstrong is in now just a few short years ago.

    Armstrong will fall by the wayside in much the same way because NUFC will not nurture his talent properly – as a club we have historically failed in this regard but Ashley had said youth development was key to his ‘plan’ for the club. 7 years later, which young player has developed under our system?

    Well let’s see there is Tim Krul and…nope that’s it.

    Just look at the 2 first team players who came through the ranks other than Krul – Saylor and Shola. Those 2 are a damning indictment of how shocking we are at nurturing talent.

    Don’t mean to piss on anyone’s chips but it’s the sad reality.

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    I remember a year back or so alot of people on here were saying Campbell was the real deal and now they are saying the same about young Armstrong;)

  • 90 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:00 PM

    A good hammering tomorrow if Saylor and Williamson are played alongside each other.

  • 91 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    Is anybody actually thinking about the players themselves and what is best for them? Pardew has to mainly concern himself with the senior squad surely? But there seem to be many players who have fallen between the cracks. And if you’re in one of Mike’s cracks you might be in big trouble! I don’t see the emphasis on youth development that Ashley seems to want to brag about.

  • 92 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    Well I’ve blathered on enough but I would love to see some of our younger players progressing better. And let’s see some movement with some of them in the summer. If certain players have no future with us then surely they should be moved on?

  • 93 Reggie // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    What the hell do they do in training, surely Pards tries different formations and has a plan for every game with a plan A and plan B, or am I being stupid and assuming the bloody obvious!!!

    With some players out of favour with Pards is it not time to give players like Dummett a run in the team and young ones like Armstrong a chance in the team so we can start building for next season?

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    Players here can only get as good as those training them!

  • 95 the truth will out // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    Jesper you are wrong,they can and do get worse

  • 96 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    Another thought. Does the club have a director of player development? Surely if you want to emphasize developing young players you need one Ashley? And I don’t mean a flunky drinking buddy.

  • 97 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    The truth…I never said they couldn’t get as worse ;)

  • 98 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Surely Ashley could screen for a Director of Player Development (or have someone with a brain do it) and this would be a positive action he could take with big consequences in the future for the club?

  • 99 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    GT…maybe there is a job for old Joe there?

  • 100 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Ahhhh! Don’t say that jesper mate. Ashley may be looking in on us.

  • 101 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    He did an amazing job for us as DoF ;) Beautifully

  • 102 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Team for Sunday:

    —————————–Krul——————————-

    –Debuchy——–Willo———M’biwa——–Haidara–

    ————–Sissoko——————–Anita—————

    ——Remy—————-HBA—————-Gouff——

    —————————De Jong—————————-

    Playing Taylor against Long would be suicide but I would bet Pardumb sticks with him .

  • 103 mag // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM

    Sack Pardew for being useless and not playing players in their proper positions his tactics are nonexistent decent technical players are played out of position or not at all i.e MYM.

  • 104 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM

    —————————–Krul——————————-

    –Debuchy——–Willo———M’biwa——–Haidara–

    ————–Sissoko——————–Tiote—————

    ——Remy—————-HBA—————-Gouff——

    —————————De Jong—————————-

    Forgot about Cheick ;) .

  • 105 oldbobaycliffe // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    ciaran-dont forget carroll forster and now dummett

  • 106 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    I think Benny is injured Papa mate. And Pards doesn’t trust him much either. Hull will be fairly tough. They could do the double on us. Nice bit of scoring up front now.

  • 107 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    Mike has contacted me and asked if he should be doing regular breast self examinations. He’s worried about his man boobs apparently. :shock:

  • 108 toon kk // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    I wonder how many times JFK lifted the phone to talk to all the agent’s and managers he said he could talk to.
    Twice well maybe.

  • 109 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    If it takes a steady sale of our best players to keep us in the black how can we progress? We can’t in football terms. And some of the incoming will be flops like Obertan and suck significant wages out of the club. What about players like Cisse and Ben Arfa who have probably declined steeply in value and will continue to decline if their play doesn’t improve? We’ve got to find an answer for a lot of these player problems and soon or next season will be worse, not better.

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    I think the club should have a huge overview of where we are now this summer. Bring everyone together, assess performances, develop a plan of action. Surely that’s not too much to ask from a brilliant business man?

  • 111 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:56 PM

    Or is he too busy fondling his budgies in the castle?

  • 112 toon kk // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:56 PM

    G2
    How you?
    I honestly think a lot of our downfall is our fitness levels. We seem to tire and struggle with pacey teams. Hence some of our best players not playing to their full potential

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    New manager!

  • 114 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 7:57 PM

    I hear Mike puts a nice smorgasbord on for the staff once a year. But they have to bring their own food. And booze. And there’s an entrance fee of course.

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    I’m good kk mate. I’m reading that Peter Beardsley is our Football Development Manager. Who has he developed well out of interest? Does anybody know? Is he actually any good at the job or does that matter to Mike. Maybe he just doesn’t say mean hateful things about his boss and that’s good enough.

  • 116 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    That is Swedish mate ;) in Danish it’s called ‘Det kolde bord’!

  • 117 sportsdirect // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    @BPC
    I agree with your 2nd line up for this weekends match. If only you were in charge eh?
    I also agree that Santon is the laziest fullback I have ever watched at NUFC.
    pistone was given a sheeps heart off batty but even pistone showed more about him than santon.
    As for youth coming through we have never been good at that and never will. However most clubs don’t have very good youth records.

  • 118 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    http://www.google.dk/url?q=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sm%25C3%25B8rrebr%25C3%25B8d&sa=U&ei=EuwQU_HiAemS4ATG-IDgBw&ved=0CBIQFjAB&sig2=EiJpfxCFTUj2JaSqNWWQEg&usg=AFQjCNH2sd_LOs4QOYNDcmdfw4G184_d2Q

  • 119 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    Wait. What was that jesper mate? Det kolde bord? Well the kolde bord is fantastic if you bring the right grub and can afford the entrance fee and some decent booze. Beautiful.

  • 120 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:19 PM

    We have eight people is the entire coaching staff. Eight people for a Prem team? Are you sure you can afford that many Mike? Couldn’t Pardew just handle it all by himself? Maybe I had better not ask that question. I might not like the answer.

  • 121 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    GT…it is isn’t it ;)

    …and cold beer and ice cold Snaps is just as important to ‘Det kolde bord’ as the food!

  • 122 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    http://www.google.dk/url?q=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snaps&sa=U&ei=EPAQU8T-FOSK4gT2nYDwCA&ved=0CBEQFjAB&sig2=Ha9yR6kOn0Tau34a5eh4_w&usg=AFQjCNEloIZWxmf8HrYRon7uldQAKwZAwg

  • 123 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    It’s beautiful mate ;)

  • 124 GeordieTwo // Feb 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Ah snaps jesper mate. Akvavit. One of my best mates years ago was a Dane named Knud Olesen. He was such a funny old character. Just a treat to be with. Had many a story about his days in the Danish resistance. He’s passed on now sadly but greatly missed.




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