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Cabaye Not Getting Much Playing Time At PSG

4:50 pm, Sunday, March 2nd, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 196 Comments

There is a report in L’Equipe today, about how little playing time Yohan Cabaye is getting at PSG, since his £20M signing from Newcastle United last month.

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Yohan Cabaye – at PSG

PSG hae played six games since Yohan arrived in Paris and he has stated only one game against Valenciennes and has a total of 180 minutes of time on the pitch, which averages out at 30 minutes a game.

But when you join a new club, especially a big one, you don’t expect to go straight into the starting line-up, and it takes time to settle in.

But the worry for Cabaye is that PSG have Italian Internationals Thiago Motta and Marco Verratti, and French star Blaise Matuidi, a former Newcastle United target as his current midfield competition.

And there’s also 18 year-old French U21 International Adrien Rabiot, who is coming through like a steam train this season at the French club.

The L’Equipe article surmises that it may be difficult for Cabaye to be a starter at the upcoming World Cup for France in Brazil, although he’s almost a certainty to make the squad.

But PSG are also expected to strengthen their central midfield even further this summer, with news they want  Juventus French International Paul Pogba, and the former Manchester United youngster turns 21 a week tomorrow,  and has been outstanding in Italy.

This is what Cabaye said in Le Parisien on Thursday about the situation:

“I try to show every time I go, I can play more – I do not think about it”

Maybe Loic Remy can think about the fact that if he does join a top club in the summer, he will not necessarily be first choice and  will not get as many starts as he would if he stayed on Tyneside, where he is already a hero.

Just a thought.

What do you think?

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196 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:53 PM

    if we can avoid the media getting on our backs over this pardew incident i think their might be a chance of getting 6th place
    everton H-win
    fulham A -win
    palace H-win
    southampton A-possible draw
    united H-win or draw
    stoke A-maybe a draw
    swansea H-win
    arsenal A-loss
    cardiff H- win
    liverpool A- loss

  • 2 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:53 PM

    HE can rot in their reserves no-one cares here ed

  • 3 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    Rabiot is outstanding! A future star already in the making! Cabs will get playing time, but like demba ba, will have to have to settle with bit parts. Hopefully he can cement his place in the starting XI but he has some stiff competition and with the names flying around about who they want to bring in in the summer, he may struggle.

    Was it the right call going to Psg? I’d say yes, however it was the wrong time I feel.

  • 4 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    ED – And?

  • 5 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    Isn’t Matuadi out of contract at the end of the season?
    Motta is getting on a bit as well now, can’t see him being any different to the players we bought in Jan taking half a season to bed in

    0 mins ago
    Well can defiantly see 2 CL teams in the FA Cup final so really hope the club aren’t looking at the season as over
    To of been on the shocking run of form we’ve been on and still be only 2 points of 7th says to me we still have a very good chance and in all honesty have a very decent run in

    As for being labelled a thug, please, you see worse grabbing a take away on a Saturday night ffs, I’m sure he’s embarrassed as well he should be, but for Christs sake people are bleating on like he’s a bad guy straight out of Eastenders!!!

    Comparing Pardew, or any other manager for that matter, to the great Sir Bobby Robson is utterly ridiculous
    Wor Bobby was a one of a kind, the last gentleman in football
    Ludicrous comment

  • 6 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

    united fixtures

    west brom A-win
    liverpool H-draw or loose
    west ham A- draw
    city H-loose
    villa H-win
    us A- draw or loose
    hull H-win
    everton A-loose
    norwich H-win
    sunderland H-win
    southampton A-draw maybe win

  • 7 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM

    Alreet mate long time! How’s things, lots of rumours about PSG courting Debuchy…..

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    Hope he does well at PSG but when you go to a big club, unless you are one of the world’s best players you get limited playing time, especially when they have others in your position already playing well.

    Even if he was starting nothing stops them going out in the summer and buying an even better player in his position….it’s the risk and reward of playing for a top top club.

  • 9 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM


    us A-loose
    cardiff H- win
    swansea H-win
    fulham-A win
    arsenal H-win or loss
    sunderland A- draw maybe loss
    united H-win
    southampton A-draw
    city H-loose
    hull A-win

  • 10 89Norcal // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Probably how it should be, Blanc must love his situation now, so many class players.

    From what I’ve seen he’s played brilliantly for PSG, think he’s scored twice in the CL already.

  • 11 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    i think we could get above united but i don’t think that we will manage to make it above everton, but who knows weird things happen in the premier league arsenal for instance would not be expected to be where they are now this season.

  • 12 martoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Stuart – you don’t like Pardew so obviously you want his head on a plate. On Sky this morning the press were talking about a 5 or 6 match touchline ban or even possibly a stadium ban!

  • 13 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    we must beat everton to have the chance, all out attack against them at home over 90 mins and more

  • 14 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    We dont have everton next week. They are in the cup

  • 15 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM


    Have to say all things considered, I’m feeling optimistic about the Cashley unwanted Europa League positions mate. Would be great to see him off by securing a European berth.
    As far as Pardew and Eastenders go, are you thinking a Dirty Den sort of role. I can see that, you might have something there pal!

  • 16 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    but we do have to play them

  • 17 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:10 PM


    their is no date confirmed yet with our fixture against everton so i just placed it randomly at the top.

  • 18 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    thats all i said

  • 19 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    who do everton have to play

  • 20 welshgeordie9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:12 PM


    How are you this evening mate

  • 21 stuart no9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    stuart no9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    TADS— @25 —— Was brought up in walker mate . you know walker do you ? gated area ??????

    i was referring to SBR as a lot of people seem to get mixed up between passion and violence . my point is that is so easy to put what he done down to passion . rubbish , why the passion at that stage of the game??? 3-1 up , cruising, no provocation – push out of the way if anything , team playing well , then the passion took over for whatever reason so he nutted him . passion ?? your having a laugh man , he wanted it ,., that is a thug

  • 22 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    @the truth
    the truth is they play arsenal

  • 23 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    cabaye has been there a month
    I think he was always goin to be bought in slowly its what happens at bigger clubs
    I would think he is right on track

    just cos were always desperate for players we have to throw them in at the deep end

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    Ha qualification would be chunky’s worst nightmare!
    What more does he have to do! He employed JFK to sabotage any squad strengthening and we’re still within touching distance he must be doing his pieces!

    Given the extreme thuggish ness on display i was thinking he could be one of Mitchell’s long lost brothers
    Now they’ve cleaned up the footage a bit in pretty sure when he attacks Meyler you can hear him sneer “have that you sl*g, stay out the Queen Vic or i’ll kneecap ya”

  • 25 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Yes i do know walker, which makes your opinion even more unbelievable
    No provocation? He’s in his technical area, there player has no right to enter the oppositions technical area let alone shove a member of the opposing team, twice, whilst giving a load of verbal
    And yes using SBR is plain lunacy, yes he was passionate but still one of a kind

  • 26 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    who do they have left to play

  • 27 the truth will out // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    nothing is cut and dried wait and see toonking

  • 28 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:27 PM


    ah right fair enough mate.


    i am not to bad mate cheers. You?

  • 29 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:29 PM

    Villa have apparently remembered how to play football. Pity, i like norwich

  • 30 Shadow_Shearer // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    He may not get the same playing time, or the same key roles in psg, but he will left trophies.

  • 31 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    Anybody watching Lyon – Montpellier?

  • 32 ballerfan2 // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Beermonkey @23 – no, we throw new players in at the deep end because if they don’t play the moment they arrive, our impatient fans start complaining that 1. Pardew doesn’t know what he’s doing 2. What’s the point in buying players if we won’t play them 3. They have to be better than the rubbish (any name will do) we already have. 4. (No 1 again etc etc etc).

  • 33 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Great Benteke goal

  • 34 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    In a bar watching atm v rmd and villa v norwich. French stuff isnt on.

  • 35 lesh // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    martoon…. I.must say that touchline bans are pretty meaningless when managers can still run the game from the stands and the dressing rooms pre match and at half time.

    If a manager’s ban’s gonna mean anything, it’s got to be a ban from the stadium on the day of the relevant matches.

  • 36 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    No how’s our “targets” Cabella and Grenier playing?

  • 37 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM


    Not a fan of Pardew, never have been throughout his career, but if he get’s us in to Europe and p*sses of fat lad in the process his stock will go up with me.
    A reasonable punishment for his East end thuggery would be banned for remainder of season, would certainly fit the crime and put it to bed.
    I’ve got this naggin feeling that when he gobbed of at Pellegrini he thought he was Dot Cotton and she’d shrunk his shirts in the Laundrette!
    He needs to be careful or he’ll end up in the friggin canal mate! Danny Dyer will be top boy in that manor.

  • 38 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Lol did you see Pepe’s dive!

  • 39 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM


    hasnt man city boss just recieved a ban where he cant even interact with his players at all during a game. He cant even send instructions. I might have heard it wrong.

  • 40 lesh // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Uncertain Toon ….. Eastenders role for Pardew?

    What about Dot Cotton or Lou Beale?

  • 41 stuart no9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    TADS — having looked at the rules and nowhere does it state an opposing player cant enter the opoosing technical area especially to retrieve a ball to take a throw , a technical area is a designated area for coaches . it also states TADS , the occupant of this area by FA rules , must behave in a responsible manner . so in effect , your talking garbage and pards ( for doing nothing) is in deep shite.

  • 42 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    Awful defending from atletico, almost as bad as Ronaldo’s hair cut…..

  • 43 lesh // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    What’s all this about Pardew and thugishness?

    I’m sure some or our posting fraternity would see his behaviour as manliness!

  • 44 lesh // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    Markaccus @ 39…… How the hell’s a no contact ban’s enforceable?

  • 45 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    He had no reason to rush in to the technical area to recover the ball
    He had no reason to barge into an oppositions staff
    And he was also most certainly not acting in a reasonable manner, neither were

    But don’t let your blind hatred get in the way eh fella
    Keep sending your Emails of embarrassment and plastering stories you’ve heard of friends of how nasty he is in restaurants etc

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Yeah but that’s imposed by UEFA

  • 47 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    That’s the risk you take unfortunately Yohan . You were idolised here and were the heart of the team . Sure you may win more at PSG but you will spend a hell of a lot more time warming the bench whereas you were first name on the team sheet here .

    You only have to look at Ba to realise leaving isn’t always the best option. Still makes me sad like because we would have some team and bench if we kept them :






    That team would have been CL quality with a top quality replacement for Willo and someone equal to Debuchy on the left .

  • 48 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM


    I dont know. Just what i heard on ssn the other day. However, if it is
    true then it makes the ban worthwhile.

  • 49 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    Danny dyer’s new series

    The worlds hardest managers. ‘Ave it. Yooo faaakaah

  • 50 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    Can anyone see poor hoots getting the nudge?
    The board have hardly given him assurances

  • 51 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM


    Haha Lou Beale would be apt for him.
    Can’t stop thinking John Carver has a perfect role as the reincarnation of Willy the dog!
    Sh*t that makes me chuckle!

  • 52 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM


    i hope not. He deserves better treatment. He is fighting a hard battle keeping Norwich up. If he succeeds he should get a medal!

  • 53 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:53 PM


    i missed the dive. I only caught about 20 mins of the game

  • 54 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    I will br watching barca tonight so i might see some highlights. Pepe is like biscuits. Diving moaning tw@

  • 55 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Anyone know why everton game has been postponed according to bbcSport

  • 56 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM


    yes I can see hoots being given the old tin tack

    not sure what he spent in the summer but he was backed quite well

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    He walked up behind Godin put his face into the back of his head then hit the deck like he’s been shot!
    Godin the thug gggrrrrrr

    On hoots
    Very true but the board have said if they fear the drop they’d axe him
    Loosing by a margin like this to a relegation rival….

  • 58 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    Beer monkey
    True a lot of incomings and some more in Jan

  • 59 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM


    Blatant byker teacake there. Sack him. Ban him for 100 years. Make orphans of his parents. Et.c et.c et.c

  • 60 toonking // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    when i see that team it does amaze me why pardew get the amount of critism i see from some bloggers.
    their are lots of much better managers out their in football but the truth is their are probably no other managers out their who could achieve what pardew has achieved and would accept the treatment pardew gets.

    i would take HBA out and put remy in his place and have gouffran on the other side.

    come the summer mind out of all that team the only ones we could have left are

    so that’s 5 out of the 11 lost or in you case 6

  • 61 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:01 PM


    i think everton have a cup match. Something the toon are not familiar with at this stage of the season 😀

  • 62 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    Bit disappointed with shearer’s comments. I appreciate he has to be seen to not condone Pardew’s retaliatory antics, but to point to dismissal is a bit of a stretch is it not?
    A whole bag of double standards getting carried about by pundits/broadcasters I think.
    Why don’t they just say the FA should batter him for it. Job done and move on.
    Watched MOTD last night and they didn’t even discuss the performance and goals.
    Robbie f@cking Savage, never trust a man with a better hairdo than his missus, or beard!

  • 63 NUFCKingALLdWAY // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:06 PM


    When has it been rescheduled for

  • 64 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    And Gomis…

    Grenier was strolling around as attacking midfielder passing the ball around and taking few shots. He’s talented but his workrate needs go up if he’s going to make it in BPL.

    Cabella workharded but didn’t get anywhere today.

    And Gomis came on but had like one shot.

    Overall it was boring game.

  • 65 Santon03 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    just watched real vs atletico, one of atletico coaches was sent off for arguing with the ref. The funny thing is the commentator used pardew incident as reference LOL.

  • 66 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM


    some tidy players to
    Leroy fer took time to settle but has had some good games
    not sure van wolfswinkle hasn’t seemed settled and he was big outlay for them
    nathen Redmond I would have liked him with us for the fee they paid would have been a good squad player
    hooper think he has been injured most the season

    I hope he keeps his job, but losing to villa 4 1 wont do his cause any good

  • 67 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    uncertain – equally never trust a man who perms his hair (Colo). I am waiting to hear back from Expatmag who has admitted spending his Saturday mornings in a ladies hairdressers – he may be getting a birds nest hair do or as a fellow poster has suggested – a blue rinse. Modern times -are strange.

  • 68 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM


  • 69 croftus5678 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    happened today for those who are going over the top on pards incident !

  • 70 Santon03 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    we have many embarassing moments, but nothing can ever beat this one

  • 71 Santon03 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM


    it was laliga in spain, they even mentioned pardew there

  • 72 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    Regarding Sadio Mane rumour.

    We should also look into Kevin Kampl from Salzburg.

  • 73 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Mister Tuff
    Saturday mornings in a hairdresser’s, I’m still pondering that thought, certainly interesting.
    Unless he’s a barber, I mean hair stylist!
    Where is he? Is he still in there?
    We could be man down if the blue rinse brigade got him.

  • 74 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    The police should charge Pardew. You can’t have one rule for celebs and another for plebs. FA rules do not trump the criminal law.

  • 75 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    They sound promising 😉
    Seen them a few times, Cabella would of been my first choice as he’s still very much an unfinished talent with loads of potential but would be very happy with either
    I’d happily forgotten about Gomis….

    Beer monkey
    Just looked it up, he’s spent around £27 mil over the two windows so really has put his neck on the line, huge investment for a club like Norwich

    We could have a full Enders bench!
    Dirty Pards the manager
    Danny Dyer as defensive coach
    Phil Mitchell as the attacking coach
    Max Branning as assistant manager
    Complete cockney mafia!

  • 76 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    Maybe we can sign him back on loan

  • 77 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    I am finding your knowledge of eastenders rather disturbing
    man up people and take the remote off your women

    you know who you are lol

  • 78 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Beer monkey
    Wouldn’t dare touch the remote, you touch that and you get Pardewed!

  • 79 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    uncertain -Expatmag now lives in Melbourne, Oz. I knew him when he lived in Low Fell – or as I now prefer to say “The Heed”. He has retired form his job and is not a hairdresser -so my suspicions about him increase -as to what he was doing in a ladies hairdressers on a Saturday morning. My God I’ve just had a further unimaginable thought -he could have been getting his fingernails done. He needs to respond to fellow bloggers in an attempt to clear his name.

  • 80 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    I am lucky my misses don’t like any of the soaps
    she does like a crime drama or 2 but I can live with that

  • 81 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    beermonkey @77 -good observation – I suspect some of the blokes on here watch shite like Eastenders -never mind getting the gadget of the missus – I suspect they have control of the gadget. A bunch of tarts.

  • 82 Uncertain Toon // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    Mister Tuff
    I concur, this has become somewhat worrying!


    Dot Cotton has to be Kit man/woman/person type popadopolis laundrette thingy

  • 83 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    Blacklie and Brownley – cannot now remember if it was you or TDS who keeps making erroneous forays into the legal world.
    Anyway you post that Percy Parsnip should be charged by the police. Could you please inform me with what offence -an Act and section will do nicely. I would then be able to tell you what the police response would likely be. Eagerly awaiting your response.

  • 84 welshgeordie9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM


    Well look who it is

  • 85 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Section 5 public Order Act 1986.

  • 86 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:57 PM


    sorry…. was distracted.

    Not sure it has been rescheduled yet.

  • 87 welshgeordie9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM


    You alright after last night

  • 88 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM


    Aye wasnt bothered after a while. Once it was clear he was a lying twisting knacker it made anything after that pointless.

  • 89 welshgeordie9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Yeah I know some people just want attention

  • 90 Jeff from Benwell // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    On the subject of Technical Areas , today on the BeeB Martin Keown made a good point.
    He said as a pro player he much preferred quiet managers who sat on the bench throughout the game ,he felt that demonstrated confidence in his players.Those managers who rant and rave on the touchline have clearly not done their job on the training field,said Keown.

    After the 3 points against Hull . a lengthy ban come at a better time.
    Keep you eyes peeled for AP shopping with his missus in Ponteland Asda for the next few Saturdays.

  • 91 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    I think they are great players and have qualites that would add another dimension to our team. Cabella would probably need less time to slot in.

    2 of the best players we have chance to get.

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Evening all.

    Nice to see Sparky getting some enjoyment out of the toon again. It’s my biggest gripe of the Ashley era that as fans we’ve adopted a whole new way of looking at football and our club. Would be great to be able to get back to the simplicity of watching and cheering…with the occasional moan of course!

    Pardew has been a bit of a plonker hasn’t he? Hey, at least it’s given us a new debate topic, well sort of anyway. Any takers on how long this debate will drag out for?

  • 93 welshgeordie9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:11 PM


    Good evening if you are there

  • 94 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM


    it will continue as long as we win games, because there will be nowt else to moan about 😀

  • 95 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    Jeff…I don’t think it can be as clear cut as that. There will be times, that no matter how well prepared for a game, a player will need orders as the game develops from the manager.

    Players also can need a bit of inspiration from time to time from the touchline.

    Granted though, if a manager has done his job properly and does indeed have confidence in his players, he should be able to fit in the odd power nap in the dugout.

  • 96 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Depends how long the ban is for!

  • 97 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    Pardew’s antics won’t help our recruitment efforts in the summer. Who, given the choice, would want to play for that thuggish plonker?

  • 98 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    Of course FA rules trump the law of the land. After all, John Terry was found not guilty of racism in a court of law, but the FA still found a reason to penalise him for it. They are a kangaroo court and a law unto themselves.

  • 99 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    Markaccus…Not long then 🙂

    I didn’t see it live, but having watched the replays I do feel that perhaps a bit too much is being made of it.

    It was really stupid of Pardew to react that way and he should be setting a better example. For me it isn’t about how much contact was made, he shouldn’t have made the move at all.

    However…thuggery…gross misconduct….all seems a little far fetched to me. Although, he should be made an example of and deservedly so.

    Anyway, that’s me and Pardews headbutt over.

    So happy Sunderland lost today. Bit petty but it’s best they’re kept in their box.

  • 100 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    There are a hell of a lot of managers not doing their jobs properly, if standing up is a sign of that. Some pretty big names among them too.

    In short, what i am saying here is… Martin Keown is full of sh1t.

  • 101 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:21 PM

    Blackley @97…I see where you’re going with this. You think Mikey put him up to it? If players don’t want to join as they’re intimidated by big mean Al we can’t spend any money!

    I’m not a fan, but the guy is smart.

    tads…Not so sure. I get the feeling the “thug” tag is going to stick around for some time.

    At least WWSBD has an opportunity for a new name change. There’s a new bad boy in town…

  • 102 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:21 PM


    Yep. Thats how most see it. Only the morons who believe what pundits and press say think otherwise.

    Pardew had a Mr flibble is very cross attack, and over reacted. The media are making a witch hunt of it because its the toon. Alan shearer included

  • 103 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    Markaccus…As I said, I do feel he should be made an example of. He definitely should know better and his behaviour, whether he started it or not (Cor, this does sound like playground drama), was not acceptable.

    That is the bottom line really. He’ll be punished, fined, beaten, whipped, whatever and hopefully he’ll learn not to do it again.

    Anyway, I see what you’ve done here. I said I wasn’t going to say anymore on it and then you responded, tricking me in to the debate again.

    I’m on to you and I wont let you trick me in to debate. What do you think this site is?

  • 104 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:27 PM


    dunno how long pardgate will continue but it should be put to bed

    it is good that sunderland have been put in there box

    but it would be nice to have any sort of cup run, they have had a great day out and I am sure most will be telling there kids and grand kids, with the likes of sunderland birminham wigan all making it to finals in the last few years is it any wonder the frustration that has built up amongst the fans

  • 105 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    Hmmm like it
    WWAPD? He’s plant ya one cos he’s a reet thug, a hooligan of the highest order, forget the FA i hope they lock him up and throw away the key

  • 106 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:30 PM


    I think mikey will be furious that pardew is derailing his plans. It can’t help recruitment, can it? No doubt those images have gone all round europe.

    Not so furious though that he’ll actually fine pardew despite the club statement.

  • 107 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    David Meyler has been……………… “Pardewed”

  • 108 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Beermonkey….But you are forgetting our prized bank balance and accounts! Mind, I suppose you could give a Sunderland fan any old piece of paper and they’d likely not know the difference.

    Joking aside, fair play to them for getting there. We’ve not even come, or looked like we’d get close in ages. I fully understand PL having to take priority, but surely we’ve got to be due some form of cup luck soon?

    Mind you, I may have been in tears right now if it had been us playing today. 1-0 up, all excited, only to lose. Ouch. Maybe we’re just being looked after, saving us from too much hurt….nah, that’s not washing with me either.

  • 109 70TWO // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    The grass is not always Grenier. 🙂

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    Or sack him
    Oh aye Mikey boy is livid……

  • 111 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Blackley…Why do you think Mikey wont fine Pardew as they’ve said they will?

    Help recruitment? Come on, you’re pulling my leg, right?

    Tads…”Wwapd” as a word has a nice ring to it actually. I imagine a similar noise was heard as Pardews forehead rushed through the air and smashed in to that poor lad.

    Which reminds me actually, is the player still on life support? Damn it, that compromised my stance of Pardsgate*

    * I want to discuss this “Pardsgate” thing again at some point. Is this a fresh look at parking the bus? Hmmm…

  • 112 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    I think the clubs lack of ambition will hinder new recruits rather than pards nudge

    look at the way managers have treated player over the years from clough to fergie the fact they were winners players would queue up to play for them, if we were in a position to offer trophies players would flock to us
    a public lack of ambition towards cups and trophies is far more damaging

  • 113 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    Blacklie – I would agree that all the elements appear to be present to suggest an offence of Section 5 – using the limb of threatening behaviour in a public place. It could be irrelevant whether the player was made to cause harassment,alarm or distress. Also it would have to be proved that there was an intention or awareness (by Percy) that behaviour may be disorderly.
    so it would appear that the elements of the offence are present. However, we all know that the police are reluctance to become involved in “minor” incidents at sporting events -as there are clearly other bodies responsibe for the behaviour of those involved ie the FA.
    As no injuries were caused I think the correct course of action was taken. Another consideration would be whether it would be in the public interest to pursue a prosecution -arguably not.
    Percy is going to get hammered by the FA -so all in all I think the incident was probably dealt with correctly.

  • 114 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:43 PM


    Do you think mikey is beyond telling the world that he’s slapping pardew with a massive fine but telling pardew something else? I think he’ll have just given pardew a rollicking.

  • 115 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Nah the lads still in critical condition, it’s not looking good

  • 116 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Blackley…You really want me to think like that about Mikey? Sounds like the beginning of an extremely slippery slope. Where will it end? Next you’ll be telling me Mikey has no real sporting ambition for the club! Scoundrel!

  • 117 nufc786 // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    I will seriously miss Benny if we sell him…. he had so much potential to become one of the top players in europe

    yet he deserves better

    Just watching this video reminded me of the awsome moments he had in him

  • 118 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Tads…Sad to hear. He spent loads of time getting his hair just right, only for that thug to come along and mess it up.

  • 119 SuperShearer // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    I’m sorry what? Are you suggesting that MA won’t fine AP? Why wouldn’t he? He’s got grounds to and it would mean 100K in his back pocket, down the slot machines it is.

  • 120 Toonboi4EVA // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Thought I clicked on the wrong tread for a second, still banging on about yesterday?? Old news……dry your eyes and move on, please!

    Nice to see yet another ex toon player shoved on the bench, haha…the grass aint always greener my friend 😉

  • 121 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    don’t most clubs donate the fines to charity???

  • 122 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    nufc786…Love the one around 1:42 where he makes the ref fall on his backside!

    Such a pleasure to watch him weave around players. But even in that video, it does show how poor his decision making can be. Passes it when our players are in poor positions, takes it on himself when they’re in good positions.

    Still, I will be gutted to see him go.

  • 123 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    Mister tuff

    Did you not know about that section? Why did you ask me? Aren’t you well briefed in the law without needing my help?

    I disagree with your analysis. You may be right that the police will take that approach. However, celebs shouldn’t be treated differently from plebs. Just because I might get disciplined by my professional organisation for the same conduct does not mean that the police wouldn’t charge me.

    Pardew was in a similar position to a spectator but was expected to show an example. If a player pushed past a fan to get the ball in a hurry and the fan walked towards him and did what pardew did he’d be up in court. The lad who offered his ticket up to pardew might well have been up in court and lost his job.

  • 124 Whos_SuperMac // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    As much as I admire Alan Shearer for the legend he is. I do wish sometimes he would just shut the f&@k up.

  • 125 nufc786 // Mar 2, 2014 at 7:58 PM


    benny is a luxury we cant afford sadly

  • 126 Ibizatoon // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    nufc786…Even if we kick in Pardews £100,000?

    I’m not writing him off yet tbh.

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    I can chip in some money as well if we are a bit short 😉

  • 128 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    So many people used to say that mikey wouldn’t sack pardew because he’s too tight to pay the compo. Well this incident puts paid to that one. Now he’s keen to get his hands on the cash.

    I’m not saying pardew won’t pay £100k but I’ll believe it if I see a charity benefiting. Otherwise I wouldn’t put it past mikey just to say publicly he’s being fined but privately just giving him a rollicking.

  • 129 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    Tads – Apologies my friend. I lost all signal for Several hours. How are you? Enjoy the game yesterday? 🙂

    On Debuchy, I don’t think he will be going anywhere. He loves it at this club and is very vocal in the French press regarding this. Yes he has played well for us (for the most part) but I can’t see him going. I believe all the English press picked up on an interview he made and he only stated his admiration for Cabaye and how impressed he was with the PSG side they have pieced together. Nothing other than that really.

  • 130 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    Supermac – I’m in complete agreement sir. Yes what pards did is completely indefensible, but the press are loving this! They don’t like this club particularly, primarily due to Ashley, but I think the calls for his resignation are silly.

    He isn’t about to be sacked, and the only Way he will go is if he resigned. Which I don’t think will happen. Whilst it was a stupid action, he showed more passion in 1 ‘headbutt’ than some of the players have shown all season. 🙂

  • 131 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM


    Yeah when I see Debuchy he looks very passionate when he plays for us when he celebrates goals you can see it I just think he does enjoy it here but if PSG come calling then I doubt we can keep him !

    Have there been any more rumors about Toon’s possible transfer moves in France this summer?

  • 132 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Blacklie – I am well aware of all the public order offences – I initially enquired as to what your thoughts were, as some were suggesting possible offences of assault. I would have explained my thoughts behind that suggestion.
    Percy was part of the away team -and certainly could not be classified as a supporter.
    (If Percy did this at 11pm at night in the Bigg Market – I would take a different view)
    However as it occurred at a sporting event I believe my conclusions were correct. The FA are responsible for the behaviour/conduct of the teams/staff (including violence) at matches.
    You cannot make an analogy with run of the mill/typical professional organisations -who usually do not have rules in respect of their members behaviour or violence -but the FA do/ Put it another way – would you expect the FA Discipinary Panels to be disbanded and the FA not to have input into matters of discipline because the police were now going to do it. I’m sure you would agree that would be ridiculous. it would not be correct for the cops to get involved in all minor incidents at football matches.

  • 133 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Not bad thanks
    Yeah thought the game yesterday was a cracker and we played with the same fast pace, precise passing, lightning counter speed and overall discipline that we showed in the last 20 minutes against Villa
    We demanded a response and fair play to the lads and Pards, we got one

    On Debs
    Think your right, think we get the heavily edited versions of the interviews!
    Have to say he’s been my player of the season would be gutted to lose him, can’t remember the last time we had a player with that perfect mix of skill and power

  • 134 Jeff from Benwell // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    I am slowly coming to the conclusion that there was a degree of preplanning to this whole episode.
    Pardews contrition seemed to be rehearsed , he was saying he wuld be staying on the bench from now on before he’d finished apologising as if the plan was to get refs to look at the tech area situation and the 100grand fine was announced in double quick time.
    NUFC are not nvolved in footy in March until the 8th but they will be the chief talking point next weekend.
    No such thing as bad pulicity tha knows

  • 135 Whos_SuperMac // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    It’s taken a while, but it looks to me that Pards has finally found his best team, and not just picking his best eleven players.

  • 136 geordieboy83 // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Evening lads did anyone see the nice story.

    A devoted toon fan today went to the cup final. Reason fir this was his dad was a huge Sunderland fan and had a ticket for the game. His dad sadly passed away so he decided to go in his dad’s honour and support Sunderland for 90 minutes. Wore a Sunderland shirt with rip all over the back. Good lad is all I can say. Great tribute.

  • 137 Jeff from Benwell // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    supermac do you mean best tag team ?
    I agree ,AP nuts them, they step back and fall over Stevie Stone who is on his knees behind them ,then Carver does a double knee drop to the froat.
    Take note our future owner

  • 138 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Of course if a ridiculous bid comes in for debs (or anybody on our playing staff) then they will be off. But at the moment, I don’t think it’s likely.

    Santon – Nice try my friend. But I keep things close to my chest now. I know who I would like to see us bring in, and they’re people whom I believe have a very realistic chance of coming.

  • 139 low fell mag // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    performance in the final.

    50 low fell mag // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Howay Geordie what a load of bull.
    What an average performance by the scum.
    What a dreadful atmosphere @ support from the Mackems.
    Really low key game ,only brought to life by 2 great goals from Ya Ya and Nasri .

  • 140 stuart no9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:48 PM

    cant quite understand why so many having a pop at shearer regarding his opinion about sacking pardew. he made a statement that imo is 100% right that should be sacked , thats only his opinion, we give our opinion everytime we come on this blog . why cant he? or shouldnt he have one ? he answered a question and getting slautered for it ,mmmmm

  • 141 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Blacklie – the lad who threw his ticket at Percy has been up a court for pitch invasion. Extract from the Chronicle:-
    “Glendinning, who has no previous convictions, was fined £200 and ordered to pay £85 costs and a £20 victim surcharge.
    He was also give a three-year football banning order, which he didn’t contest because “it would save him money”.

  • 142 Whos_SuperMac // Mar 2, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Aye Jeff, Carver & Woodman aren’t shy in coming forward are they. Is it just the manager that’s allowed in the technical area or can all three of them be in the ring at the same time?

  • 143 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    @Torq Toon

    Was worth a try!! Yeah I hope we do get some decent players in the summer though would love to see us sign De Jong and Remy on a permanent as I think they could be a lethal partnership in the making


    The team he put out at the moment is probably the best team the front 4 are the best in terms of hard work , movement , intelligence and end product you never see the team play like that when Arfa is in the team its like they know they wont get a pass so stop making runs and Debuchy is not the same player when Arfa is ahead of him must be a nightmare knowing he could lose the ball at any time Debs and Sissoko are some double team they just bully opposition wingers and fullbacks with the power and pace

    442 works if you have the right balance before when it was tried Shola was terrible , as is Cisse but Remy and De Jong are smart enough to move about can play a pass and will both stay onside for most of the game!

    I personally would love to see maybe Arfa get a game on the left wing as his job should be to provide with direct first time crosses not cutting inside for glory he should be a provider for strikers in the box would mean Gouffran would drop to the bench which he does not really deserve to be dropped

  • 144 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    Mister Tuff

    What are your legal credentials? Am I arguing with a specialist?

    Its worrying for me if I am because I don’t follow your logic. The rule of law is paramount. It trumps an organisations own rules. There’s nothing in english law that gives the fa jurisdiction in matters of violence in relation to players, managers and staff. Please let me have the act and section.

    So the lad who went on the pitch and attacked no one has a criminal record for it but percy can attack a player and gets no crimjnal sanction whatsoever. That’s not justice.

  • 145 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    There are many professional organisations who have rules about violent behaviour and bringing the name of the organisation into disrepute. Reputable organisations don’t want thugs representing them. I don’t know why you think otherwise.

  • 146 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    De Jong has really impressed me. His link up play and work rate is fantastic. He deserves a goal which will boost his confidence no end! If Remy doesn’t sign for us, which is by no means a definite, then somebody of similar style is needed to compliment De jong, whom we can get forma knock down fee.

    Grenier and Cabella would be a lovely addition to our midfield, and somebody who can replace colo. Then we are set, yes tiote might go, but i don’t think so.

  • 147 aidytoon9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM


    Which one is rated better in France between the 2?

  • 148 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    That’s a tough one, Cabella is probably rated higher in the French league, but Grenier deserves to be. Although they are very different players, which is why both playing at the same club ie Newcastle would be fantastic. Would I take Grenier over HBA of he were to leave?? Yes I would. HBA on his day is a game changer, however his ‘days’ are becoming few and far between. Some can blame bad management through pardew, but there is a reason why this lad isn’t a constant in the French side, and why he hasn’t been touted by the biggest clubs in the world.

    I hope he stays, but should he leave or want to leave, Grenier can be that upgrade.

  • 149 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    Sad for Cabaye, hope he turns it around and gets more game time for the World Cup. No surprise that Rabiot is having a good season. I said last summer we should be looking to get him in part ex for Cabaye if he were to leave last summer. Still feel that would have been better for us then £20milllion.

  • 150 aidytoon9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Would love them both to come in the summer and for remy to stay. Remy looks likes he likes it with us.

  • 151 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:40 PM

    Debs – Yanga – Willo/replacement – Santon
    Cabella – Tiote – Sissoko
    Grenier – Remy – Gouffran

    An extremely fluid formation where sissoko and Cabella can come in field or even switch ‘wings’ and grenier can either play high up in a 3, or drop deeper to a no.10 role in behind remy and gouff.

    It’s all pipe dreams right now, but realistic opportunities.

  • 152 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Weren’t you saying recently you had a keen interest in politics implying you were a bit of a buff on the subject? When eric joyce headbutted a tory in parliament, neither parliament’s nor the labour party’s rules took precedence over the criminal law. The police charged joyce and the labour party suspended him pending the outcome of his trial. He was later thrown out of the labour party.

  • 153 aidytoon9 // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Torq you must know something we don’t about those 2?

  • 154 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    Switch out Gouffran for LDJ, or when tiote picks up his usual ban for bookings, move sissoko more central (box to box) and have gouff wide left.

  • 155 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:44 PM

    The only thing that I would say about Grenier and Cabella from watching them is that they would need to toughen up a good bit if they came to the premier league Cabella seems to go to ground a bit easily

    Technical ability is amazing mind you I suppose Gouffy , Sissoko , Debuchy and Tiote could toughen them up in training Pardew could show them how to get stuck in as well….

  • 156 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Santon – funny you mentioned debuchy, he was extremely lightweight before arriving at the club, and toughened up pretty quickly. So I can’t see that being a problem really. Couple cold and rainy training sessions with tiote and Willo will sort them out! 🙂

  • 157 petey // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    If you smelllllllllll…. what Alan pardew…is cooking.

    I like the team torqtoon but I just don’t see us signing Grenier which is a shame. He would cost a fortune in both transfer fee and wages. Still one can dream.

    We need to focus on getting a striker because let’s face it…Remy ain’t sticking around for half his salary he is making at QPR. We won’t pay him 90k a week or whatever he is on.

    De jong played average against hull but I do see something in him…uaefull partner up front.

  • 158 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Remy has the same dialemma as Cabaye in that he could move to a bigger club but that might sacrifice playing time in the run up to the world cup.

    If he stays here he will more than likeley get close to 20 goals a season and constantly be in the limelight.

    Decisions decisions ? .

  • 159 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

    Cabs gets a 5 minute run out tonight! 🙁

  • 160 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM

    Blacklie – I will refrain from revealing my credentials save for the fact that I have been involved in matters legal all my working life involving the criminal law. That is sufficient for you to know -or anybody else for that matter.
    You sometimes have to be aware of all matters relating to a specific legal areas a normally there are matters of procedure and guidance which effect overall issues -thus making original ideas/thoughts completely redundant.
    The example previously given are correct -Percy has probably ticked off all the elements which have to be proven to commit a Section 5 Public Order offence. Does this mean therefore that he should be prosecuted -well no clearly not as other matters, as indicated, have to be considered.
    I have posted before -I think following the McManaman -flying assault on Haidara about criminal offences at sporting contests. Clearly players expect to get kicked -it is part of the game – however as part of the game a player would not expect to get a punch in the nose -lets say causing a broken nose. In circumstances like that I would expect the police to take action (initially) and for the football authorities to play second fiddle.
    You highlight your lack of knowledge by the following quote “There’s nothing in english law that gives the fa jurisdiction in matters of violence in relation to players, managers and staff. Please let me have the act and section.”
    How can I provide something which does not exist. In English law the civil police have primacy in investigating criminal offences -I do not think I suggested otherwise.

  • 161 TorqToon // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    Petey – Not as outlandish as is made out, my friend. There have already been discussions. And now JFK is long gone, our powers of negotiation have improved dramatically. 🙂

  • 162 Toon Tang // Mar 2, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    I think JFK’s undoing was when he put forward the idea of selling cabaye by walking him down the road singing “one boooy, boooy for sale” secombe style

  • 163 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    Blacklie -re the Eric Joyce -incident at Parliament. Totally different circumstances.Also references to the Labour Party and Parliamentary rules have nothing to do with the subject.Joyce assaulted three people causing injuries, all of which were reported to the police -who were then duty bound to investigated the reported offences. The CPS later agreed the police could charge Joyce. Before offering their advice the CPS lawyers would have followed their Codes of Practice -to assist them whether charges should be preferred or not.

  • 164 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    I hope we start with the same team against Fulham and just go right for them from the start would love us to pummel them they are one of those teams that I would love to see go down especially because Duff plays for them !

    Would love Stoke , Fulham and Sunderland to go down

  • 165 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:03 PM


    not sure we will sign remy we have a chance though a small one
    great chance of de jong signing if we sign him and not remy I wouldn’t mind goofy having a run up top in the remy role
    if we don’t sign remy I cant think of another striker like him we could sign but I am sure carr knows a few

  • 166 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    Also does anyone think any of our loan youngsters will come back to challenge for a spot after the summer?

    I think the way we played on Saturday with the hard working element and one touch passing would suit Abeid or Vuckic’s game too many times when they get a game we play long balls or look disjointed but I think they would do well if thats who we are going to play from now on

  • 167 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:15 PM

    Cops are often poor when it comes to the criminal law. (Not saying you’re a cop and not saying you’re poor.)

    My comment does not highlight my lack of knowledge. I asked you to provide the law because you seemed to be suggesting that the FAs rules took precedence. If you were saying this, I was asking you to provide the section and act (just as you had asked me) because there is nothing in english law as far as I am aware.

    I would counsel that you shouldn’t ever on a blog be lulled into the idea that your knowledge on any subject is superior to that of the person you’re exchanging with. You might be surprised. And even experts in a subject will find another expert that will disagree with them. I mention cops because we’re discussing the criminal law. I find cops have a habit of being the fount of all knowledge in the criminal law, and those who sound as if they know it all are often the ones who know the least.

  • 168 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:16 PM


    would love to see it
    maybe abied has a chance but he might benefit from another loan spell either at a newly promoted prem team or top half championship team

    fergurson and traviner I would sell and the rest I would like to see in the championship playing week in week out

  • 169 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I agree they are different circumstances. My only point on that was that the law took precedence.

    Sometimes the police need to be pushed to act and I believe they should here with pardew.

  • 170 ramajama // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM

    As long as Arsenal/Everton and Man City avoid each other in the semi finals, it’ll look good for 7th place in the league to open up for Europe.

    Does anyone know if the Semi fianls are drawn randomly or do the teams already know who they will potentially face?

  • 171 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:30 PM

    Blacklie – I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick -I’m not saying and never have said that the FA have primacy over the cops in English law. What I am saying is:-
    Percy probably has committed a Section 5 offence. The circumstances of which could- stress could- be investigated by the cops or by the FA.
    The cops do not normally get involved in minor events involving players or staff on the touchine etc. as there is no input from the cops then the FA will deal with Percy -as they have powers to do so within their rules. Which all in all I think, in the circumstances of this particular incident is probably correct. I am not suggesting anything else -I mean I don’t think that can be any clearer.

  • 172 jimmysmith // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    Wouldn’t the alleged victim of an assault want to press charges before the police would be willing to investigate further and potentially find cause to charge. Didn’t this happen with Cantona? Which seemed far, far worse to me.The more criticism he gets the more I like him. All this hand wringing and pearl clutching.

    Just sit down Pards, learn your lesson please, and get on with your job and leave the prattling and clamouring to those who are past it or never made it.

  • 173 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    Blacklie -take this a step further – every week we see players squaring up to each other sometimes using their heads -forehead to forehead touching one another. If such action was witnessed by a cop on duty at the match, and not by the match officials – you surely would not want the cop to dash onto the pitch and arrest a player. It would be madness and quite improper to do so.
    If the cop saw a player continually booting a player lying on the ground we all would expect the cop to intervene to stop what was happening -that would be right and proper. The cops should not get involved in minor incidents at sporting events.

  • 174 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:41 PM

    Blacklie – and lastly I take grave offence at your comments “I would counsel that you shouldn’t ever on a blog be lulled into the idea that your knowledge on any subject is superior to that of the person you’re exchanging with.”
    I suggest you are making an assumption that does not exist as far as I am concerned. I have no control as to what you believe.

  • 175 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:45 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Your last post is much clearer to me thsn your first and i’m sorry if I picked you up wrong.

    We’ll agree on the law but will have to disagree on how it should be applied. The police might well take the view you say; more likely than not I should think.

    However, I’m questioning their rationale. They’ve been wrong on so many things and I believe they’re wrong here. The trouble is that the police themselves have their own difficulties with the cps and the criminal justice system. This whole area of the law is a developing area. I’m sure it will develop further and Pardew’s treatment (non-treatment) by the law is setting a bad precedent in my opinion.

  • 176 stan anderson // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    I was at the 1976 league cup final and when Gowling got the equaliser it was sublime,the crowd went crazy.
    I was directly behind the goal where Tueart got the winner and would,ve caught the ball had it not hit the net before me,
    Totally gutted as i played against Teuart as a schoolboy and he was good indeed.
    Like me a Walker lad.But he went to the Mackems and on to City.I went to the shipyards.

  • 177 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    Pundits on motd 2 tripping over each others comments. What a waste of space this lot are

  • 178 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:52 PM

    Canny goal by swansea.

  • 179 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    Mister Tuff

    That is the way you come across telling me about how I show a lack of knowledge. You don’t know my background/knowledge/experience/qualifications or those of anyone else you’re talking to on here.

    As to the comments about cops running on the pitch that’s not a good analogy. I completely agree that cops should or shouldn’t in the circumstances you mention. The pardew incident doesnt fall into the case law precedent concerning violence at sporting occasions. Moreover, you say it is minor. It is not minor if a pleb does the exact same thing.

    You make nothing of the fact that Pardew was not meant to be on the field of play. He wasn’t competing as a sportsman. He just lost his rag and committed a section 5.

  • 180 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    why did we get rid of routelage

  • 181 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    watched lyon v mont this aft and have watched lyon 7 times recently. lyon rested gomis and it made the difference as lacazette had no one to link up well with . gomis came on with 25 mins left and they looked better commentator said so so not just my opinion but they could not score. imo we can do better than cabella and grenier , both keep looking for free kicks and will struggle with british football. although grenier had some nice touches he gave the ball away a lot and his dead ball kicks were poor . cabella is quite skillful but a diver at the slightest or no contact.anyone i e gutter press or lyon or mont chairmen who thinks we offered half of what they are worth or a derisory fee is deluded.

  • 182 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 10:58 PM


    to be fair. Routelage did very little for us once we go promoted. He didnt find form until he left. No idea why this happened.

  • 183 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Sod off, Pulis. Was not a penalty. I hate pulis. He is an utter utter d1ck. He always finds a reason to be hard done to.

    I will say fair play to him for fining divers, though.

  • 184 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    Ah predator is on C4

    Wonder if this is the digitally remastered version, where the send in Pardew to nut the predator….

  • 185 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM


    he is a tidy reliable player now
    he dropped down a div and came up with Swansea didn’t he ?

    so maybe a combination of regular games coaching and a late developer good luck to him hope we have a sell on clause lol

  • 186 potski // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:11 PM


    There are few occasions where the law has intervened in an incident “on the pitch” and I would argue that since it was in the technical area where the manager had every right to be as part of the in-game coaching and occurred from the ball ending up close to Pardew and the player leaving the pitch to get the ball.

    It’s not the same as the Cantona incident where the game was stopped (for him to be sent off) and then he left the pitch to go into the crowd. And whatever the VERBAL provocation, Cantona started the physical violence.

    It’s also not the same as the Bowyer case:

    In April 2005, Bowyer was in the media spotlight again after an on-pitch brawl with teammate Kieron Dyer in Newcastle United’s Premiership match with Aston Villa. This resulted in a red card, plus an automatic three-game ban, for each player. The Football Association fined Bowyer £30,000 and imposed an additional three-game ban, and the club fined him six weeks’ wages; Dyer was not fined as Bowyer was perceived to have thrown the first punch. In addition, Bowyer was charged by Northumbria Police in connection with the brawl with offences under section four of the Public Order Act. He pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of using threatening behaviour and was fined £600″

    So six game ban from the FA for throwing the first punch, and no public order offence. I’m not sure you could even get Pardew on threatening behaviour, he didn’t attack Meyler. It is clear that Meyler assaulted Pardew. There was no reason for him to push him out of the way like he did, and Pardew reacted to that.

  • 187 Sazzer // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:16 PM

    Interesting, why did you put Grenier and not Cabella on the wing?
    Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella – Remy – Gouffran

  • 188 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:17 PM


    you could have

    alien vs pardew
    the hulk starring alan pardew as david banner
    DONT PUSH ME DONT PUSH ME You’re making me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.

  • 189 Markaccus // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:20 PM


    I like the alternative AvP film. Cant be any worse than the actual ones 😀

  • 190 Mister Tuff // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:24 PM

    Blackley – I’ve typed out a bit from the ACPO Guidelines on Policing Football matches in respect of the responsibilities of the FA -as follows:-
    “The FA is the governing body responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England. Its activities include promoting the development of the game, sanctioning all matches, leagues,and competitions played in England and overseeing the administration of the games disciplinary system (which applies to all participants in the game -each club, player, competition, match official and any other person involved in the game in England is bound by FA rules).”

    So we see that the FA is responsible for determining disciplinary matters -for basically everybody involved in the game.
    I, probably along with others, am sick and tired of the Percy incident now.

  • 191 beermonkey // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:25 PM

    saw the first avp didn’t bother with the others
    but the original alien and predator film were good
    shame they tried to milk more out of the series

  • 192 potski // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:37 PM

    Sorry, should have said, Pardew didn’t attack Meyler first.

    And I also think it not irrelevant that Pardew is 55. Personally I think he’s got some halls to square up to two young professional athletes in the way he did. Another Hull player also intervened just at the point where the “head butt” took place, and also pushed Pardew.

    If he didn’t do the “head butt” then imagine the headlines today about Meyler. He ran into the opposition technical area and deliberately pushed a man twice his age for no reason, who had every right to be standing where he was, and made no movement to the ball or to interfere with Meyler retreiving the ball for the thrown in. Presumably out of frustration at the footballing lesson Newcastle were giving them. No wonder Steve Bruce and Hull were quick to accept the apology and try to play it down. And no wonder Pardew lost his temper in the way he did.

    I’m not saying he is right, but there is nothing different with the Remy incident. He reacted to a bad tackle and led with his head when he confronted the opposition player. Three match ban. Pardew should get 6 because he is a manager and should know better. Anything beyond that is grossly out of proportion to what actually happened.

  • 193 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:37 PM


    The proportionate reaction to meylor pushing pardew to get the ball would be to complain to the player then or better still after the game.

    I stress that my point is that this is not about players reacting to each other on the pitch. This is about a man who is not a sports person and not playing the game. If pardew doesn’t face the criminal law, neither should the bloke who handed him his season ticket.

    If I lost my cool and did the same to someone in the supermarket who had moved me out of the way to get the last tin of beans, I’d be up in court on a public order offence and rightly so.

    Players do what meyler did to other players all of the time. 99 times out of 100 nothing is made of it. If a player ever reacts it is to push back immediately with hands to body. I’ve never seen them react like pardew did; think about it, walk over and then push his brow into someone’s face.

  • 194 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:46 PM

    Mister Tuff

    The acpo guidelines don’t support your case unless you’re saying they take precedence over the law, which is the impression you originally gave me. You have subsequently said you did not mean this and weren’t suggesting this. So what point are you making by providing the guidelines? Some people might understandably read that and think the fa takes precedence over the law. That would not be right and you have accepted that.

  • 195 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:52 PM


    Are you serious? Nobody would even have noticed anything if pardew hadn’t reacted like a thug. If I did that on the touchline on a sunday morning, theres a good chance I’d be arrested. There was negligible provocation from the player. The reaction of pardew was completely disproportionate. It wasn’t even immediate. He had time to think about it and walk over. He needs to resign.

  • 196 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 2, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    Anyway. Off to bed gents. I wont be losing my cool and pushing wor lass with my brow to her face when she knocks me out of the way to be first to the bathroom.

    Think on it lads and treat your lasses with some respect even though they can wind up you bad and push you around.

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