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FA Charge Alan Pardew With “Non-Standard” Improper Conduct

4:25 pm, Monday, March 3rd, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 334 Comments

As expected, the English Football Association have charged Alan Pardew with improper conduct, following the incident with Steven Meyler in Newcastle’s match with Hull City on Saturday afternoon.

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Alan Pardew – charged with improper conduct

This is the statement just released by the FA:

“Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew has been charged in relation to an incident in his side’s game against Hull City on 1 March 2014.”

“It is alleged that in the 72nd minute of the fixture, Pardew was involved in an incident with a Hull City player that amounted to improper conduct.”

“Due to the serious violent and/or aggressive nature of the reported behavior, this case has been designated as non-standard.”  “Pardew has until 6pm on Thursday 6 March 2014 to respond to the charge.”

It’s not good that the FA have called this case non-standard, because it’s likely to get a non standard penalty – like a big one.

Chief Inspector Rich Kirven had this to say:

“We have been working with the FA and the football club to progress the matter appropriately.”  “Having reviewed the circumstances of the incident, it has been agreed that the matter will be dealt with by the FA rather than considering any criminal proceedings.

“There has been no complaint received from the player involved or Hull City Association Football Club at this time.” “Whilst we appreciate that some people may have found the behavior displayed at the game on Saturday offensive, Humberside Police will not be taking any further action.”

It seems the penalty Alan will receive  will get announced sometime on Thursday, unless Alan Pardew and Newcastle appeal this charge – which is very unlikely.

We probably have to be ready for a big suspension of a number of games for the Newcastle manager, but Liverpool’s Luis Suarez got eight games, but he nearly bit a Chelsea player’s ear off to get that many.

Maybe five games suspension would be about right?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Other News · Premier League · Suspensions

334 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Surely not. What allegations?
    They have no proof!

    Why drag it out, just dish out the punishment

  • 2 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Because the FA has deemed the incident as “Non standard” it basically mean they can go to town on on Pardew.

    Anyone thinking that this will simply be a touch line ban and big fine are in for a shock, he’s looking at a stadium ban and a long one at that

  • 3 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM


    Until he is proven guilty it is an alleged assault

  • 4 archaeomag // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    A sponsored fight between a loan shark’s runner and a pawnbroker, all good clean fun.

  • 5 yo-yo // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Bl & Br – previouis thread

    I headbutted a guy once.

    Many years ago, me and my brother in law were waiting outside the lassess loo in Woolworths, Nottingham for my sister and girlfriend when these three guys came up to us and one just pushed me really hard against a wall and the others set on my brother in law. I got punched in the mouth so I headbutted him, kneed him in the groin as he went down and then stamped on his armpits (wearing wooden clogs) but he was out cold and his nose was bent to one side so I must have broken it. Then I went for the other two guys to pull them off my brother in law but as soon as they saw the guy on the deck they all scarpered quick. One of them shook me by the hand just as he ran off. We got picked up for affray by the store detective but as the store assistants confirmed we had been set on first we got an apology and a cup of tea.
    Now I’m not violent and this was the only time I’ve ever got into a scrap but we were set on first. So it was self defence even though the other guy got damaged as he obviously didn’t know we used to practice headbutting at school, had competitions at break time, especially if you were in the Rugby team.(as I was)

    So I have to say I’m ashamed of Pardew for two reasons.
    Firstly for not thinking quickly enough and taking the dive. Result …. certain red card for Meyler.
    Secondly if you’re going to headbutt somebody do it properly and deck them. No point getting all that punishment for just leaning into somebody on tippy toe.

    If you really think any of this is worth a criminal prosecution then think again bonny lad you’re way off beam….

    The lads were Notts County fans who had not got into the ground for some reason – said we had looked at them….and at Hull….Meyler, that consummate professional, started the whole thing anyway….

  • 6 Ben3arfa // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    So Meyler is not even charged with anything for shoving an opposition manager?

    Useless FA

  • 7 rivettCatcher // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    It’s just a pathetic witch hunt against NUFC.

    Remy got a 3 game ban for doing what Meylor did to Pardew, but no one is going about Meylor pushing a fella in his late 50’s.

    And media darling Mourinho nearly blinds someone in Spain & he’s welcomed over here like some kind of rock star.

    This 5hit nearly puts me off football :(

  • 8 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM

    Tony Pulis ask’s the FA to investigate two of his own players for diving against Swansea!!!!

    My respect for Pulis has just gone up massively

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  • 10 sparky55 // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    he needs to do what Meyler did…take his punishment on the chin and move on.

    Storm in a tea cup…banished to the stands til the end of the season but who cares…were not challenging for anything and can’t go down now so who cares…it’ll be a nothing punishment but will probably cost him another 25k.

    and like someone above said…if he does it again make sure it’s worth it and put the player down…no point in half measures if the penalty is always the same.

  • 11 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:43 PM

    Undoubtebly the most underated manager in the premier league who has taken a failing 16th place side into a comfortable 8th place side while his owner sells on average £9m worth of talent compared to what he spends each year ( this is not a one off, this is a 5 year figure ), this is relegation figures yet we are better than what we were before Pardew came, yet some people cannot see this, the mind boggles.

    But in terms of principle how can Pardew have the respect of the dressing room ?, for that he should go, but for the rest who doubt what he has done and is doing, hang your heads in shame, the only club in the top 2 divisions who are lower than us for sale to buy ratio’s are Wigan, and they got relegated, even Yeovil have proved to offer more support to their manager.

  • 12 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    I guess that it is labelled “non standard” as it is not the usual improper conduct between players. As JB suggests this allows the FA to enforce a harsher punishment, especially in light of previous actions and warnings. Very naughty boy.

  • 13 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    Don’t think he has lost the respect if the dressing at all, think they will probably respect him more for standing up for himself

    55 mins ago
    Neither are worthy of criminal prosecution and i have no idea why the hell you keep dragging up that example

    Your whole argument is a massive contradiction, you say charge Pardew with a criminal offence yet when asked about players who do the same if not worse every week you’ve said no, because there in battle and could get injured

    Yes they could get injured, it why they earn tens of thousands and have clause riddled contracts, so how does a challenge, which 9/10 isn’t hard, justify “attacking” somebody as you put it?
    Is the manager not also part of the tempo and emotion of the match?
    That statement also heavily goes against your “one rule for everyone else” statement as your actually now justifying a differing set of rules from the working man

    Don’t remember you being this vocal about criminal charges against Carver Woodman of Donachie
    Mind you I don’t remember you calling for them to be sacked week in week out normally anyway, funny that

  • 14 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    Jack Butler

    Pulis is only upset because his players wasted time diving when they could have been breaking legs instead lol

  • 15 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    And yet no action against Meyler

  • 16 wilson1505 // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    This ‘charge’ has just shown an incredible prejudice within the ranks of the FA that has been evident for year but came forward more in recent times… Yes, this is a serious allegation of the incompetence of the Football Association.

    The whole premise of charging Pardew should be inert based entirely on the fact that Dec 5th 2013 a ‘No Charge’ was given to Jonjo Shelvey for his attempted headbutt on Mathieu Debuchy… Similarly a blatent kick out from Yaya Toure went unpunished during the Norwich game in January (I think it was atleast).

    Therefore how can they argue that Pardew can be punished for this headbutt… by there own standards ‘Violent Conduct’ cannot be deemed a punishable offense?
    The charge completely goes against all moral’s in what is supposedly a ‘fair’ system.

    For the record however, I agree with a punishment for Pardew.. I’m just making the point that the charge is technically null and void because of previously unpunished incidents of a similar kind.

  • 17 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Spoof @11

    You would make Napoleon Bonaparte proud.

  • 18 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:51 PM


    If you listen to what he said after the game regarding two of his players you cannot do anything other respect the man for what he has said, just a pity that more managers don’t come out and slam their own players for diving

  • 19 BuckLuck // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:52 PM

    He fully deserves the penalty he gets, regardless. End off.

  • 20 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:53 PM


    He said yesterday he was going to have them. I still cant stand his attitude, but respect to him for that.

  • 21 mindshaft // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    Spoof – underrated???
    He’s also the guy who took a team that finished 5th to a team that finished 16th. His tactics have been the only consistent factor i.e. clueless and no plan b
    The team is inconsistent not only game to game but within the same game

  • 22 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    theres some strange ‘fans’ on here scolding their own manager for standing his ground its like they have an agenda or something haha

  • 23 p // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    @11 – you assume spend is directly correlated to success. It’s not quite that simple.

    We have over performed in the transfer market based on spend.

    I am not saying you are completely wrong, just saying he has has some decent players on the cheap.

    Still I think he is okay as a manager, he has has some big tactical successes and some huge failures as well.

    I think tactically, he seems better this year though. Prepared to drop people and play a little less defensively.

  • 24 mindshaft // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    Not sure Meyler can get charged for pushing past Pards – Remy was banned for the reaction of the Norwich player who then rolled round the floor as if he had been headbutted ( even though he clearly hadn’t )

  • 25 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 4:58 PM

    Jack Butler
    would he have done it if they got the penalty

  • 26 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:00 PM


    time will tell, but respect is vital, would you respect a boss who behaves like that, I certainly wouldn’t, and I honestly believe that Pardew has excelled in ridicousely difficult circumstances under Ashley, but some things cannot be excused, and for me this is one of them.

    The only thing which concerns me is that Pardew is well respected from the players, Nolan, Barton, Enrique etc, have never had a bad word to say about him, man management from Pardew is superb, they all respect him which is why we have done so well of late, but if this dampens his profile within the squad then we have nothing,.

    Perhaps a new manager could make initial transfer demands which could help, but my fear is that Pardew has nutted himself out of a job which condembs us to relegation next season, afterall, which other manager could improve a team when they have to recoupe £9.5m per year from the transfer market.

  • 27 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:00 PM


    I have no idea because they didn’t, but the fact that he has publicly called out two of his own players is not something you see any other manager doing and 99.9% come out and make excuses for them

  • 28 mindshaft // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    P – agree he’s bit the bullet and started dropping his faves – the trouble is that we never have a plan b so if the tactics don’t work it usually goes horribly wrong and we’re unable to change

  • 29 BuckLuck // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    There’s some strange fans on here backing Pardew no matter what de does.
    He is suppose to be a leader. How can he manage his own players when he can’t manage him self? This is not his first incident.

    I have no problems with FA charging Pardew with no standard improper conduct. He lost it, again.

  • 30 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Strange situation to be in with Pardew but typical of us. The club fine is a huge one indicating Ashley is not pleased at all with him. For an 8th place team we seem to bring ourselves into disrepute far too often. And it happens from the owner on down.

  • 31 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    Is there another club anywhere where such lunacy goes on month after month? The owner is completely clueless, hires clowns to run things. The manager can’t control himself. Neither can some of the coaches. It sounds like a loony bin to work in.

  • 32 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM

    I think the players that started v hull can work in a 442 or a 443. So i suppose that is plan A and Plan B right there. What we do lack atm is a bit more quality coming off the bench. We counter attacked well on saturday, but that might not work v fulham. I think a patient passing game would be better in this case, as fulham leak like a collander and it is only a matter of time before an opening happens.

  • 33 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:09 PM


    i expect to see ashley pards stone and carver have a massive punch up on the jeremy kyle show some day :-)

  • 34 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:09 PM

    If the only way to stay in the black is to sell your best players then we will never have a truly competitive club. It’s a no win for the supporters. How about building up the commercial revenue like so many other clubs are doing Ashley and then you might have a transfer budget to work with?

  • 35 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:10 PM


    no one is backing him over this. Everyone wants him punnished. Just because 70%+ dont want him sacked over it doesnt make them strange.

  • 36 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    The way Fulham are playing we could turn up with the under 12’s and get 3 points….

  • 37 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Maybe we could throw in some transgender mud wrestling with the fitness coach wolfie mate? :)

  • 38 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    our luck is they turnover our best 11

  • 39 rivettCatcher // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:12 PM


    I think mashley is trying to do just that. I still think in 5 years we’ll be pulling £20M+/yr profit that we can invest in the squad.

    Given time, I think this project will work.


  • 40 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM

    We have a group of players who love putting in a tough tackle and getting involved in every on pitch fracas
    I highly doubt a single one of them will of lost an ounce of respect

  • 41 remember69 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM

    With so much media hype (read sensationalism) it is refreshing to see a voice of reason bubbling to the surface.

    BTW – if 2 former managers have voiced their opinion that AP should be sacked does that infer that the number of others by their silence are in disagreement?

  • 42 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:14 PM


    they are truely awful. Its like they have a memory wipe before every game and have no clue who each other are or what they are doing

  • 43 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    I agree with you I was being sarcastic, sorry bonny lad

    mindshaft, he took a struggling 16th place side into the top 5, a lack of support denied him the opportunity to pit his wits in Europe whilst still having the back-up players if needed for the PL, Shola, Sammy, Marvioux, Dummett and Gosling in a duel PL and EL challenge is ludicrous, come on m8, a little bit of common sense.

  • 44 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:18 PM


    Someone posted an article by john inverdale earlier, putting things into perspective while not defending Pardews actions. The media have overdone it as usual.

  • 45 remember69 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    “He’s also the guy who took a team that finished 5th to a team that finished 16th.”
    You must think Martinez is a complete waste of space then, although he did have the consistency you crave (ie kept Wigan at the bottom for years….).
    I don’t think you can judge a manager solely on final league position you have to look at the whole picture and circumstances which you are obviously failing to even consider.

  • 46 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:18 PM


    sorry mate, tired today and not 100% with it

  • 47 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:18 PM


    As I recall, Woodman and carver was a case of a few handbags, a bit of pushing and shoving. I can’t remember being shocked or outraged at it.

    Pards is a case of violent conduct. It was ugly. The reaction of the tv pundits bears it out. Meylers actions simply deserved a yellow card. It sounds as if the FA is treating them appropriately.

  • 48 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:20 PM


    I hope you are right m8, I honestly do as I genuinely fear for our future with Ashley without Pardew somehow still managing to keep our heads above water.

    I accept what you say, for now, but if there are troubles ahead how will they react, that is my fear.

  • 49 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    He’s already had 7 years rivettCatcher @38. He has never even approached the commercial revenues brought in per season before he took over yet the commercial opportunities are much greater now. A true clown who really shouldn’t be in football. When you buy a club it’s for the love of the game. Almost every big club loses money. I’m not saying that should be a goal but it’s what other owners are prepared to do on top of being much better at bringing in commercial money. Ashley is wasting his time owning a club. Go back to tat shops or buy Rangers and sell us Ashley.

  • 50 DokToon // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    G2 @ 30,

    ash had it all wrong, not sports direct stadium, but newcastle state sanitarium :)

  • 51 remember69 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM

    Agreed Mark, unfortunately folks tend to overlook the primary motive on the media – to jump on any story and blow it up to make money. It’s their job and I can’t blame them for it.

  • 52 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM


    haha nice one mate

  • 53 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Shoved punched nutted, all fall under the same section of law you want Pardew charged with

    You also ignored Donachie on the list, you do seem quiet selective with your counter points

  • 54 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Gotta say that it did make me laugh when Pardew said that he was going to stay in the dug out from now on and have Carver do all the technical area stuff – Carver is not exactly a calm and considered personality 😀

  • 55 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:24 PM


    i dont get how anyone can claim to be a saint and claim the moral high ground like they have never done anything wrong in there lives ! or even made that mistake 2-3 times ect !

    some people like myself who do a job that involves this kind of thing regular cant see what all the fuss is about he’s not innocent and neither is the player and if we started crying about it like everyone else is doing i would be told “ffs grow up how old am i” and thats the end !

    next people will be telling me i shouldnt have kids because they annoy me so much that i end up raising my voice to them and sending them to bed !

    by all means if your a saint and have not made a mistake or repeated mistakes in your lives you have every right to judge people if your proved to be right ! but i highly doubt theres anyone.

  • 56 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    As for the reaction of TV pundits, wow must be so then, a bunch of washed up ex druggy spouse beaters, that’s the group you want to help you take the moral high ground!

  • 57 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Sports tat is something our owner understands. Everything else is a complete mystery to him. Why was everyone so upset when he hired Joe as DoF he asks? Why was everyone so upset when he had to admit lying to Keegan? Why be upset about Wonga? It’s not even a good revenue earner and they are complete scum on top. Why be upset about changing the name of the ground and filling it with SD hoardings? If he doesn’t understand he’s an even bigger moron than people thought.

  • 58 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Is there no end to your range of knowledge and expertise? You’re my tutor on farm yard animals now.

    I knew the second I posted it that it was a mistake because you would deal with it in your inimical fashion. I should have added in brackets “poetic licence” as you have instructed me to give you clues where various possibilities abound. Better still I should have have given myself half a minute to think of something that was Tuff proof.

  • 59 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:26 PM


    Yeah it is thier job, but i think they have a responsibility to stop short of witch hunts. Some people in the public eye go through hell because of the media, and sometimes it turns out they did nothing wrong. Although pardew did 😀

  • 60 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:26 PM


    don’t worry m8, but I will not accept your apology until you and your m8’s have bought Ashley out ?

    Now there’s a challenge bonny lad ?

  • 61 GeordieTwo // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    I feel Pardew really needs to get in some serious head butting practice if he is going to be competitive in that part of the game. You can’t take lessons from Remy Alan you need to find a real pro to instruct you! :)

  • 62 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:27 PM

    Has TeDiouS got himself an alter-ego????

  • 63 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:29 PM


    I couldn’t buy a homeless man out of his sleeping bag mate let alone Ashley out of NUFC :(

  • 64 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:33 PM

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    Louis Nicollin, Montpellier President on @RMCsport: ‘Cabella could go to England but to Chelsea or Arsenal. Not Newcastle.’

  • 65 BuckLuck // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM


    You know what. Personally I would probably react just like him. That’s why I don’t manage my sons football teams. I’m not suited for it. Sports makes me very competetive for some strange reason…! So I totaly understand Pardew in some way, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.

    It’s a big difference between acting like that in a training session or in a pub match, and when you do it in front of a lot of people, including children watching.

    I wouldn’t sack him over this, but a harsh penalty doesn’t bother me either. Not at all. Our season is over in many ways so it is not a crisis.

  • 66 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    @63 jb

    aye the lad doesnt like us does he lol

    shame as last i heard cabella wanted to come to us aswell :-(

  • 67 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    I’d have liked to see him sacked out of principle. But it’s not as if football is full of principles…

    I’d also like to see players sin-binned or sent off for surrounding the ref or swearing at him and bans for blatant diving. I also find it ridiculous that people complain about bankers’ pay but you don’t hear as much about footballers’ pay…

    But he hasn’t been sacked so time to move on from that topic I think…

  • 68 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    @TFS_Newcastle: This made me giggle #NUFC #nufcfans

  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:37 PM


    I shared the exact same reaction as the tv pundits and most of the other people in the pub.

    If the police have not taken it further it simply adds to the litany of poor decisions, incompetence and lies we have had from them in recent times, although my main gripe is with the criminal justice system as a whole.

    Tuff goes on about the law and guidance but these things are never set in stone. The law evolves. The attitude of the prosecutors will change eventually.

  • 70 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    send pardew to negotiate with the nob’ead nicollin

  • 71 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:37 PM


    Don’t know why though mate as we are such a loveable bunch 😉

  • 72 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    Argh nice one mate, did no one tell you he’s like the candy man

  • 73 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:39 PM


    start saving bonny lad, lol

  • 74 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Blacklie – well it looks like the cops had a look at the incident and then made a decision not to investigate further -as was suggested., leaving the FA to “deal” with the matter. Seems to me that everything has been conducted correctly -and proportionately.

    JB – ref Percy sitting in the dug out -I don’t think he’ll be doing that this season – I think it could be a stadium ban.
    The FA will throw the book at him adding on a bit because it’s NUFC, a bit because it’s the North East and at bit to appease the southern based press..

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Tads…like I said ‘no precedent’ can be invoked!

    …we should just say thank you and move on. He could easily have been charged with misdemeanor assault (not that I think he should gave been).

    I think Pardew’s past behavior is having an impact on the punishment.

  • 76 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:40 PM


    Sorry mate I should have known better, but he’s more like thrush as he’s and irritating cu…………..!

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:40 PM


  • 78 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    Mister Tuff

    agree mate, Pardew was talking about what he would do after the ban I think 😀

    Seeing’s as we have ten games left this season I think he’ll get a ban for all ten games and it could well be a stadium ban, in fact I’d be surprised if it was a stadium ban

  • 79 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    Utter garbage
    If you have issue with the legal system as a whole there are hundreds of mis justices that happen on a daily basis you could use to start your crusade

    Not a head tap on the side lines of a football pitch

    You’ve seen a big ol’ stick to add to your list if Pardew bashing and grabbed it with both hands using the law as a shield

    And once again you’ve missed out Donachie, or justify your double standards on players being allowed to do as they please on the pitch after your every man to be treated equal speech

  • 80 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    @64 buck

    i agree

    i’d take the ban only to shut up those goody too shoes and i’ll be honest where violence and swearing ect is concerned no one can con me into saying kids are the excuse as i’m 99% sure the kids watch bits of the news about killings and people hacking people up with machete’s or watching certain other programs that are not innocent ! so that again is someone living in a dream world imo.

    like you say not going to be a major disruption to the team though although we still need to finish as high as poss in order to sign remy and attract other decent players.

  • 81 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:43 PM

    Just read the FA document about the decision to sanction Paul Ince, who was banned from the stadium for 5 matches for three breaches of the FA rule regarding violent conduct and bringing the game into disrepute. It was designated a ‘non standard’ case due to not involving two players.

    Pardew can expect 2 charges and like Ince, his past history to be taken into consideration. Whilst this incident did not involve a match official and foul language I would expect that being in the view of the public and broadcasters, plus the use of the head could be more significant.

  • 82 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:43 PM


    but if you are talking about same rules for everyone, how can players be allowed to get away with it. Your whole argument now relies on everyone in football who assaults another receiving criminal proceedings, otherwise you are contradicting yourself. Sport in general is hypocritical with regard to violence, so how can you apply it ONLY to Pardew??

  • 83 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    *in fact I’d be surprised if it wasn’t a stadium ban*

  • 84 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    blacklie -the law does indeed evolve -judges make decisions in cases which then become authorities in subsequent cases -ie stated cases. Procedures and guidance also evolve -both for the cops and the CPS.

  • 85 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    He’s been charged and it’s going to the same style of judgement that handed out Terry and Suarez’s ban’s
    It’s hardly like he’s getting marched to the gallows

    Said all along he deserved to be charged so really not sure what your hang up is tbh


  • 86 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM


    Not selective at all. I include Donachie and the rest. You shouldn’t put words on my posts and them bash them.

    My simple point is that they should all be subject to the force of the criminal law if they have transgressed it. I cant get past the idea that a bloke offers his ticket up to pardew as a result of football emotions and gets done whereas pardew escapes the criminal law for his violent conduct.

    You say what about the players. Judges have come up with case law that applies to players and rightly gives them greater allowances, although not carte blanche.

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:48 PM

    JB…I am thinking a touch line ban for the rest of the season and a hefty fine?

  • 88 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    jesper @73 – definitely – Percy has “previous” for bad behaviour -this will be taken into account when the FA decide their punishment.

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Tads…as always I am just replying to the feedback I get from you.

  • 90 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    put him in the stocks and we will whip his feet

  • 91 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    If the law was enforced on the game of football then everytime there was a bad challenge, coming together of players or foul language was used they would all be subject to prosecution and every stadium would be empty.

    What Pardew has done is a case of utter stupidity but it’s a football related matter and not one for the law to become involved with

  • 92 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Mister tuff

    Pardew was totally out of order, I feel he should be sacked for it, but in defence of Pardew, you have to be consistent, in terms of misdemeanors like this there are few comparisons.

    However, Brian Clough, what a character, Mourinho feels he should be classed as special, Cloughie was a league above, yet a freindly pitch invasion saw Cloughie run onto the pitch himself and give a good right hook to the the fan, as it happens as wrong as Cloughie was he got the fan to apologise, what a legend.

    Cloughie was loved by fans and press alike, nobody called for his head, why, he was Cloughie, but he done much worse than Pardew, how often do we call for consistency.

  • 93 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Yes and those guidelines and case law etc need to be applied to every circumstance that arises. Someone needs to interpret and apply. Politicians will often end up questioning why things have been decided the way they have and be critical of those decisions. Sometimes no change in the law is needed, just a different application or interpretation of it.

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Senor Tuff…I expected nothing less. I think it would be quite fair to be honest.

    …never though it was something that should get you fired. But he needs to learn a lesson because lesson was not learned before!

  • 95 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    I think the FA will use the suarez biting affair. He also had previous offences, and it was violent physical contact. This resulted in ten games. So a hefty fine and the ten game ban for Pardew would seem sensible and fair.

  • 96 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:54 PM


    I think it will be more than that mate, really think they will issue a stadium ban and the biggest fine they can hand out.

    the fact that the FA have designated the incident as non standard allows them to issue far more than the standard punishment and seeing’s as Pardew has previous and was recently warned about his conduct for comments to Pelgrini I think they will throw the book at him and the we have no other option other than to accept whatever punishment they hand down

  • 97 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:54 PM


    i cant agree with that buddy.

    everyone is human no one superior to the next in any way wether your a tramp living in the gutter or a multi million pound business man we all abide by the same laws i’m afraid and whats good for one is good for another.

    so to say players are given more leaveway than managers or the tea lady is false i’m afraid.

  • 98 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    You haven’t included anyone else

    Your whole point has revolved around Pardew and a fan who ran on the field of play, both unrelated
    You’ve brushed off other offences as handbags even though the law you stated lists them as the same offence
    It’s a selective argument in which you’ve contradicted your own point continually

    Once again, the fan is a member of the general public, Pardew, just like the players, officials, ball boys, mascot etc he is part of the match day squad and the same allowances you cite are given to all match day staff

    As I said there are far more severe cases of justice not being served in every day life to fuel a moral crusade, this one as a pick is a pathetic start!

  • 99 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Remy got a 3 game ban for putting his head towards an opponent, Pardew done the same so why not the same ban ?

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    JB…a stadium ban would really hit us hard :(

    …what a sad way it would be to end the season like that.

  • 101 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:57 PM


    simply because as the manager Pardew is seen to be the man in charge and control and therefore he should not get involved with such things.

  • 102 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    When they say Non Standard, isn’t that the term they use to use cases outside there jurisdiction as guides to decided punishment?
    Sure that’s what they did with Suarez for biting and Terry for Racism?

  • 103 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:58 PM


    The law gives more leeway to players and rightly so. So the law doesn’t operate how you say and you wouldn’t expect it to.

    The law has evolved since cloughies day. My god it was illegal in this country to be a homosexual when I was a kid.

  • 104 Spoof // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM


    so why no which hunt for Cloughie when he done much worse ?

  • 105 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    @97 spoof

    i agree with you 100%

    the manager is employed by nufc not the fa the same goes for the players so the fa’s punnishment should be a simple one and thats the same punishment for everyone and imo that involves the player involved also.

  • 106 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM


    It would mate, but his stupidity will deem it a reasonable punishment as with his previous he doesn’t seem to learn when he oversteps the mark

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    JB…if that happens would Carver have to run Pardew’s tactics? 😉

  • 108 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    B&B @67
    How does a blinkered horse recognise the views of others? I think you need to reflect on your own perspective using the scrutiny of your peers, if that is at all possible for you.

    Shock and horror are very effective tools for generating a mob, but do not produce credible legislative change. This is why most people recognise the authority of the judiciary and is an opinion that you have so far been unable to accept.

  • 109 kevymartins // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    Did anyone watch the match yesterday? Lyon montepiller ….We don’t want cabella we want greiner…Looks the far better player every day of the week.

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:01 PM


  • 111 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:02 PM


    “The law gives more leeway to players and rightly so”

    Are you the only one here who does not see that that comment alone tears down your whole argument about “one law for one man, another for somone else”???

  • 112 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM


    The same allownces ate not given to match day staff and the rest. Where have you got that from.

    My argument is consistent. The criminal law should have applied to other cases where it merits it. I haven’t closely followed the donachie business but id like to think that it was not dealt with dimply by the club and fa if the criminal law was transgressed. So please dont put words in my posts just to bash them.

  • 113 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    Apparently so….

  • 114 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    Is that not the proper word?

  • 115 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:05 PM

    spoof @90
    I do not think that Percys’ conduct warrants the sack (he’s not going to get it anyway). I would however say that he deserves the sack because he is (in my opinion) not a manager who can get the best of of the players and should never have got the job in the first place.
    His conduct on Saturday was disgraceful -especially from a manager.
    In respect of Cloughie – perhaps shows how attitudes have changed over the years. I remember the incident you refer to -idiot on the pitch- nobody doing anything about it – enter from stage right Coughie – captures the guy and sticks one on him. At the time I thought it was marvellous. Cloughie best manager England never had.

  • 116 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM


    It is mate, it basically mean that they are dealing with an incident that isn’t common place in the game and therefore they can deal with as they see fit (an no doubt make an example of him). It will be dealt with by a three man panel consisting of a QC, and ex-player and a member of the FA.

    Blackley and Brownlie

    In the eye’s of the law there is no difference between a player head butting another player and a manager head-butting a player. The law does not distinguish between the two simply because one if a player and one is a manager.


    Simply because of the global exposure of today’s game, the ELP is shown around the world and with the media attention that’s in place today they view such incidents very differently to how they did in past years

  • 117 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:08 PM


    Pardew has already said that he will not be in the technical area again and that he would leave that side of things to Carver – good job he’s such a calm and rational person then 😉

  • 118 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    Haven’t put in words in your posts, you completely swerved the issue…..several times…..whilst continuing to contradict yourself

    Players square up to each other, managers square up to each other, stewards quiet often abuse there position, when the hell do you ever see legal action?
    Never, the club gets a fine that’s about it

    I’m surprised you haven’t followed the Donachie case more closely, a senior manager in a position of power striking a youth player, thought your moral compass would spinning 100 mph
    It does it only get going when you just don’t like some one?

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    JB…yes we are in good hands mate 😉 lol

    …maybe we should start to talk about who is third in line?

  • 120 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM


    No. The law is set out so that sports players are afforded more leeway. That’s got to be right. However, even they can cross the line depending on the circumstances. That law applies to you and me and everyone if were playing sport.

    Pardew’s actions cannot be justified in the circumstances just as the actions of the guy on the pitch cannot be justified. Pardews violent action was worse than that of the guy on the pitch.

  • 121 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM


    Haha……………third in line would be either Steve Stone or Andy Woodman who aren’t exactly enriched with good moral standing 😀

  • 122 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:16 PM


    I heard donachie was sacked and I am aware that the injured party could have taken criminal proceedings if he wanted to. I’m satisfied with that. Shouldn’t I be?

  • 123 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    I thought Remi Streete was 18?

  • 124 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Not if you want criminal justice as you claim

  • 125 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    Blackley, Meyers accepted Pardews apology and wanted no legal action taken either. Whats the difference ?

  • 126 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    B&B @118

    The guy on the pitch is breaking the law set down by parliament.

    Pardew broke the rules of a regulatory body that is authorised by parliament.

    After consideration the Police have decided that any punishment decided by the regulatory body is adequate.

    Can you recognise that the majority find that acceptable?

  • 127 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    The basic fact is that the police will not become involved with any footballing incident unless it is truly exceptional as to do so would potentially open the floodgates and they simply don’t want that to happen

  • 128 MosesNUFC // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    IMO we should sack pardew, and bring in laudrup. I think laudrup is a better manager than pardew, can get us playing the football that all geordies crave and most importantly i think he can bring success.

  • 129 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

    Blacklie -there you go again -you are not acknowledging or taking in all the information. All personnel employed by the club at the match are subject to the FA rules. If you read again the bit about the FA which I took time typing out for you last night (could not copy as it was a PDF) it mentions players officials and then the last bit was the all embracing catch all – everybody involved or words to that effect. I’m not going to look it up again. You can if you want. Further lines tonight -100 lines
    “I need to accept correct information and not dismiss it because I do not agree”.

  • 130 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM


    I didn’t witness the donachie incident and I’ve ecplained why I am satisfied with the outcome. I did witness the pardew incident and i’m appalled by it. Its double standards in that, if I did that in a football ground with that little provocation, I would be charged,given a life ban and lose my job. IF I said I only shoved him away with my head, it wouldn’t wash one bit.

  • 131 LGFUAD21 // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    What pardew did was very wrong but I disagree with the people bringing up his past actions.

    Spurs linesman I still think there was nothing in that. It was a tap on the shoulder rather than a push or slap.

    As for the pellegribi incident. I would bet good money that that is a common thing on the sidelines.

    What pardew did May be worth a ten game ban in itself but to dredge the past is ridiculous.

    I think pardew acted like an idiot but he should keep his job. I think he had done a good job if you look at the 3 and a half years he has been here.

  • 132 JackButler // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:27 PM


    His past transgressions will be brought up and used as he was officially warned about his future conduct on each occasion so it is very relevant to what has happened as the man simply isn’t learning from his mistakes.

  • 133 LGFUAD21 // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:28 PM


    Laudrup has a job lined up for the summer. Spurs I reckon. There was some oddly veiled bits of huw Jenkins statement upon his dismissal that seen to suggest he was in talks with someone. At the same time spurs have clearly only appointed Sherwood as a stop gap. Sad for him but so clear.

  • 134 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    So. The new legal procedure regarding sport should be as follows….

    Everyone who does something in sport that would bring about possible legal action in normal life, should be prosecuted….EXCEPT for the players, because they are precious, bless them.

  • 135 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Mister Tuff

    As we discussed last night, the fa rules don’t trump the criminal law and acpo guidelines don’t either. The clue is in the name. The fa have rules for their purposes and acpo for theirs. They cover all the people you mention but its not as you imply a case that all those people are lumped together and the same set of rules apply to them as a group. The acpo guidelines are not just there for prosecution purposes but for operational policing purposes.

  • 136 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    Markaccus I think you meant to say “everyone who does something in sport called Alan Pardew”

  • 137 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM


    well, that is the real issue isn’t it? I was going to say that myself but i will probably be accused of wanting to bear is children or something 😀

  • 138 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM


    No ones saying that.

    Wor lass is going to nut me. I should have been home an hour ago and she’s already been on the phone. Catch you later.

  • 139 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:34 PM


    The majority used to find slavery acceptable at one time

  • 140 MosesNUFC // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    LFG i hope your wrong mate, he’s perfect for us

  • 141 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Markaccs, kellhauling is too good for him, he should be horse whipped for scaring the children like that

  • 142 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:35 PM

    Ahhhh i see now if i personally don’t see it it’s not illegal, gotcha
    And you have been lecturing us on hypocrisy…….

    Btw I’m playing footy tonight, theres one lad plays i canny stand, every week he rolls around like were pro league, knowing what i now know, and what your saying, is that i can full on chin the prat as long as it’s within the 90 mins?

  • 143 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    Are you now comparing the majority who accept the punnishment that Pardew will recieve to the people who used to advocate slavery!?!?!

  • 144 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Agree, Sherwood’s was out the door before the ink dried on his contract

    Mind you Van Gaal seems to think he’s quids in for the job

  • 145 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    Gan on, tads. Borst the knacka!! We wont look so its ok 😀

  • 146 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    I’m ganna Pardew his block off….

  • 147 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    Blinkered and Blind @137

  • 148 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    Is it any wonder why Vince McMahon is interested in buying NUFC ? .

    We are the biggest soap opera in world football . Oh, and my moneys on Pardew for the Royal Rumble 😉 .

  • 149 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    3 questions

    Did a Hull player attack Pardew ?

    And did that player leave the pitch to do it ?

    Did Pardew headbutt the Hull player .?

  • 150 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    the amount of criticism i have seen on this blog being aimed at pardew for the headbutt that he did to myler which was made to sound much more awful than it really was, pardew now has gone up in my respect, i would be happy enough for him to stay even when ashley does finally sell the club.

    this does not mean i respect his reaction, I still want him to get suspended from the next 5-10 matches, Also i believe he needs to improve on his consistency.

    All i’m saying is he has had the will power to take on what i believe is the most difficult of premier league teams to manage, when we have only 1 decent striker who is himself only a loan and suffered yet another big loss with no return this season, their is no way i would have expected us to be looking to finish 8th,

  • 151 hairofthewolf // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    Ridiculous! Not saying there shouldn’t be a small punishment, but this has been blown entirely out of proportion.

    No one mentions that Meyler shoved Pardew first. Is it acceptable for a player to push a manager out of the way? Pardew wasn’t even looking at Meyler when he was shoved, and I think any self-respecting man would be a little angry if they were shoved by a a member of the opposing team when they weren’t looking or even involved in the physical aspect of the game. Don’t fans want a manager who is both passionate about his club and willing to stand up for himself?

    I can’t believe Newcastle fans are calling for Pardew’s head. In my opinion, NUFC fans have been spoiled to have a manager like Pardew. Often over-criticized by fans and put into extremely tough positions by the owner/management, he has always spoken diplomatically to the press (never bad-mouthing Ashley or Kinnear, even when they have deserved ridicule) and done his absolute best to win as many matches as possible with the team he has been given.

    Let’s not forget that he was once manager of the year. Sure, there have been some let-downs, but who else is out there that can do Pardew’s job any better?


    A shameless Pardew supporter

    Long live the Silver Fox

  • 152 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM


    Just imagine next time someone says a player has been “Pardewed”!!!! It has a whole new meaning.

  • 153 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:54 PM

    I have never seen a blogger argue with himself so brilliantly. Neither side of him has won yet either. He is probably shouting at himself in a mirror as we speak!

  • 154 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:56 PM

    I disagree.

  • 155 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    looks like its going to be a big un . Is it really worth keeping pardew as manager? all the professionals the media , people who understand the seriousness of his crime , think pardew should be sacked . i totally agree, he ‘s nearly finished anyway now.

  • 156 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Oh yeah? Well i disagree first. So there. With knobs on.

  • 157 bobby mango // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    The only way he’ll get just 5 games ban is if those 5 are the first of next season. If the ban comes in with immediate effect it will be for the rest of this season

  • 158 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Blacklie – there you go again -off on a tangent. I explained to you last night that the ACPO Guidelines were not mentioned for the purposes of the debate but because I found a good definition of the FA responsibilities -and those who came under the discipline of the FA -which was appropriate to the debate. Have you forgot that already.
    My God you are an annoying f****r and an argumentative t**t. My apologies for the use of this language. Your poor lass must be demented.

  • 159 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Lads..the FA want Blood ,, the press and media outlets want blood.

    Chairman of the FA. Greg Dyke has a major decision to make, and this will be the first major decision from him and his FA panel, they want to be seen as having some teeth now under the new regime, they want to look good after making pathetic decisions in the past on all sorts of issues..

    They might Just hit us with A 10- 15 points reduction !

    Can they do that under the Rule’s ? ..Worried.

  • 160 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM


    Appart from the other professionals who have not called for his head? But i suppose they don’t know anything.

  • 161 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    Online, you know there is no chance of a points reduction.

  • 162 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    Every time you see someone with a shiner just tilt your head with a wry grin and ask “Pardewed?”

  • 163 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    og if that what they i will want blood

  • 164 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM


  • 165 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:03 PM


    you need to take off the black and white specs. if another manager had done that to one of our players you’d be up in arms.

    How can anyone go up in someone’s estimation for being an absolute a….hole, not just once but serially?

    I’m glad to say even my under 10’s were shocked at what he did. If you tolerate this then your kids will be next as the song goes.

  • 166 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Online guy

    I doubt they could, not without prior warning at least. Points reductions are in the laws of the game for thinhs like financial irregularities and feilding ineligable players, and everyone knows where they stand. I think it would be outrageous to spring one on us with no warning.

  • 167 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

    I’ve only heard Robbie Savage call for his head, one or two say his position could be untenable but that’s about it

    Points deduction? For what!

  • 168 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM


    I think quoting Manics lyrics is a sackable offence 😀

  • 169 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    It;s an individual facing the disciplinary charge, there is no points sanction possible. Non issue

  • 170 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    And you arw hereby disqualified from the short track speed skating

  • 171 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Blacklie ..can you answer me ? #’ 147

  • 172 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Tequila et al….

    i think there is a posibility the club can be warned as to the conduct of its staff, and threatened with financial penalty, and maybe even points, but i dont think they can just spring it on us out of the blue.

  • 173 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Tads ..just asking the question as I’m not certain as to how far the FA can go with this one .

    Could make an example of Newcastle United..?

    Maybe its not on the Book’s and its not on the Agenda . I would not put it past them to look into it though..

  • 174 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    A points deduction is a punishment against a club as a whole
    The club hasn’t been charged

    No way in a million years

  • 175 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Markaccus, that may well be the case but the club has not been charged with anything only Pardew

  • 176 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    The more they keep playing the replay on sky the less it looks like a headbutt….he leans in but doesn’t throw his head in.

    It’s not a pleasant site but it’s far from a headbutt.

    It’s like saying well Lehman slapped that player he gave him a right hook….similar motion but totally different intensity and outcome.

    I fully back the FA in banning Pardew as he can’t do that, but bit of perspective from everyone would be nice.

    I bet the majority (not all before you complain) calling for his head would say nothing if we had a manager who had us top of the league.

  • 177 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    i am not say he doesn’t deserve punishment all i’m saying is that this incidient has gone way over the top.

    the principle of this is he is no differant to morineho poking someone in the eye
    souness moving a flag that could have caused a riot.
    ferguson kicking a boot in anger
    or suarz biting a player and being racist.

    they all deserve punishments
    where it’s going out of control is when we are comparing this to the general every day person because if we were to take these offences as serious as they would in the everyday person world football would come to a standstill.

  • 178 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    incidient reaction

  • 179 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:12 PM

    There’s no limit on how far they can go with Pardew
    But they can’t touch the club as they haven’t charged the club

  • 180 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    TS watch the whole event in real time something the fcuk all will not do there are more factors than just the head not having a go but putting a differing slant on it

  • 181 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM


    Thats basically what i am getting at. If Pardew was to keep up his antics, and the club fail to control him, then i think it gives the fa grounds to start sanctioning the club. But it certainly has not reached that point yet.

  • 182 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    —–markacuss——it is more than likely most professionals would think the same , however have not been questioned , the ones who have been questioned , have all said the same,

  • 183 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM

    Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    My post at 28,

    I actually wrote it to scare the Sh*it out of you lot just before you go off to bed !… I can see the tumbleweed blowing through your mind’s ..Brrrrrrrrrr…its Chilly in here tonight !

    Online this was your post after the same suggestion last night

  • 184 SpecialK // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    Duncan Ferguson headbutted someone, pardew didn’t!

  • 185 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

    people need to think about this a bit more .
    how can we ever have a good team if we havnt got a good manager. How can we have a disciplined team if our manager is not disciplined himself, how can he teach discipline if he does not possess discipline , answer to all 3 questions is — you cant.

  • 186 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Let’s get this totally Correct ..

    .Pardew did not Headbutt anyone was a coming together of face’s after the initial aggressor left the field of play and attacked Pardew…. in Pardews designated Tech Area ..

    Why is that not looked into ?..I will tell you why ..

    The Media frenzy is a result of jealousy and spite and hate for Newcastle United ..they wait like scavenging hyenas for the next little episode and then blow it up out of all proportion, ..this will never change.

    They all feel better when they are slagging the hell out of Newcastle, …It help’s them release their frustrations, save’s them from going off home and beating the wife up

    The Media is full of F*****g Hypocrites

    Scuse the dots and the comers ..I always do it ..My right hand thinks its playing a Guitar …Really …

  • 187 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    I was anticipating another self inflicted gaffe from the Toon after the exit of old Joe -but never expected this event. I’ve just had a look at my Toon news aggregator and this story is being covered all over the world -every continent. Not good at all.

  • 188 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:24 PM


    with respect, it is just as likely the media will pick and choose who they talk to, to make sure they get mostly negatibe opinion. Newcastle are not liked at all these days. They havent been since SBRs days. I suspect you would find just as many who are happy with whatever punnishment the FA dole out.

  • 189 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

    Mister Tuff, it`s a circus and not helped by MA alienating pretty much the entire press.

  • 190 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM


    Yes that was my fun last night before kip ..what I said before that was real though ..I just added that as a bit of fun .. It was still a thought I had ..thought it would give a few food for thought ..but I did jest at the tail end of me message ..I meant the first part though . nee bother .

  • 191 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    Pardew will be receiving anger management too. Now, not that pardew is going to ever be mr respectable, but there are plenty of famous people that have improved themselves and their attitudes by accepting help. Theres no point in issuing a warning, arranging this help, and fining him 100k just to sack him anyway.

  • 192 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    transfer——I bet the majority (not all before you complain) calling for his head would say nothing if we had a manager who had us top of the league—- thats a bit like saying — if dicanio had done that to cabaye when we played sunderland , every one would have thought it was the worst thing they had seen on a football field including the people who think pardew is getting a raw deal out of it. so yeah it depends on who it was and where it happened

  • 193 tequilamag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Online the bit before I kind of agreed with

  • 194 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Some of the stick old Pardew is receiving is disgusting.

  • 195 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Tads thanks for that ..was thinking they might take unprecedented action against us ..change the rule for us ..I would think they would have a lot of Legal issues if it was even possible . Let’s Hope Greg dyke has a soft spot for Newcastle ..! fat chance .

  • 196 Ian Toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    The instant Alan Pardew stuck the head on David Meyler at the KC Stadium on Saturday afternoon, it was immediate his surprising act of violence would have serious repercussions. Serious, often tedious repercussions. Despite the Hull City midfielder’s apparent reluctance to make a big deal of the matter and Pardew’s apparently sincere post-match apology for vigorously shoving another man’s head with his own, it was abundantly clear that there would be consequences for our manager. And so they came to pass, ranging from an excitable Jeff Stelling predicting the vigorous throwing of books to assorted other commentators and media pundits engaging in sanctimonious hand-wringing and howling, before calling for Mike Ashley to sack his employee for an act of misconduct which, while genuinely surprising and unacceptable in the otherwise tranquil environment of a packed football ground, wasn’t actually that bad.

    Now let’s be clear, I am not above a bit of sanctimonious hand-wringing or howling and certainly not condoning Pardew’s actions. He deserves to be punished, not least because when it comes to touchline misdemeanor he is a repeat offender. Mind his head-butt was more Churchill Dog than Yosser Hughes and the victim of his billy-goat impression was unhurt, shouts for the man to lose his livelihood seem rather extreme. When those shouts emanate from the mouths of perpetrators of far more incendiary acts of jaw-dropping spur-of-the-moment lunacy, such as Souness and Savage have performed , then it’s just plain daft.

    Personally speaking I favour the suggestion of a good mate and toon army faithful that the famously pleased with himself “Pards” should be locked in a room with a chocolate statue of himself for several hours, but not allowed so much as a single lick. As it was, Newcastle showed a stunning lack of imagination by simply fining their manager £100,000 and giving him a stern talking-to, then drawing a metaphorical line under the matter and suggesting that was that. What a major disappointment for Catchy and fellow numb nuts.

    Sadly for the toon, Pardew, will be hit him with a hefty touchline or stadium ban in a bid to protect Premier League throw-in takers everywhere from his temper. The suggestion that Carver is the solution, mind. You just couldn’t make it up!

  • 197 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    actually what people need to think about first is how can we build a good team while ashley is the owner

    1city they were not winning titles until they got a very rich owner

    2. united were in relegation battles for the first few years of the ferguson era and they only have the rooneys and RVP because they will pay 300K wages which is huge compared to our max of 80K wages

    3arsenal they are the team who is most similar to us and look at how they have did this year and it’s now looking yet another season without a trophy

    4 liverpool when they had an ashley type owner called tom hicks and george guillett they were on a big slide but now thanks to a new owner they have got back to how they use to look

    5 spurs they like us have sold some of their big names such as bale and modric the differance between them and us is spurs spend all that money right away, we decide to just put all our money from the sales into the bank

    6. chelsea like city have got a very rich owner who will pile lots of money into the club

    7. everton that team is the team we should be trying to imulate but the difference is everton only occasionally sell their big names we on the other hand do it every season.

    that is why we are never going to be any better than we already are while this owner is here.

  • 198 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM


    everything every club does is covered world wide. Pos or neg. I doubt wamberto del ethetheth from peru really cares one way or the other 😀

  • 199 nufc786 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    just wondering chaps….. what if old A’rry Redknapp did this shenanigan that Pards did… what would all the pundits and media make of it…

  • 200 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM


    Can you answer the 3 questions @147 ?

    Have you went to ground…In Hiding ?

  • 201 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM


    Going over the top a bit aren’t we on that the FA shouild ask for his head or we get points deducted.

    Did West Brom get points deducted or anelka sacked for
    making anti semetic jesture.
    Mourhino calling Wenger a voyeur and a loser
    or what has happened at Peter head when a player had to be substituted because he was getting racist remarks

  • 202 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM

    Everyone saying Ash hasn’t backed Pardew but on Saturday we had 4 current French internationals, 3 Dutch ones and an Ivorian, plus Cisse, Marveaux, Colo, Ben Arfa, Jonas, Bigi, Obertan all for various reasons not in the first 11.

    We haven’t spent massively on trophy signings but we’ve spent shrewdly, unlike Norwich for example.

    Objectively can we honestly say Pardew has done a good job based on his only top 6th finish in his career, Can we dine out on that one season forever? By the law of averages he’s gong to get 1 good season somewhere .

    So far, 12th, 5th, 16th, 8th currently. We have some good days , Saturday being one of them when we played exceptionally well, but there is always a fatal flaw in Pardew round the corner that means we will always be inconsistent.

    Some 10 games ago Pardew decided to break up the Willo / MYM partnership to accommodate Saylor with disastrous results. Finally sees the light no Saylor (+ No Santon) = 2 back to back to wins.

    I do genuinely think Pardew gets some of the picture but crucially not all of it. Like right now after Saturday’s performance I would love to feel we could put in a really strong finish and get Europe but you never know which Pardew team selection , tactics, subs etc will turn up from one game to the next.

  • 203 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM


    they would not care one iota. Lovable ‘arry the cockney darling of the football world. It would be seen as a jolly ol’ bit of fun and japery, and they’d awl go an’ ‘ave a singsong raand the awl’ joannah!!!

  • 204 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM


    wamberto del ethetheth

    Hoo Ho ! rotflmao, as they say nowaday’s !

  • 205 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:43 PM


    no one said that. It was just a possible scenario that peaple were wondering about.

  • 206 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Maybe the players will get behind Pardew and push the club up the league, it’s obvious Ashley is sticking by him or he’d be gone now.

  • 207 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Ian…new Danish tv drama it will be on BBC4 later this year!

  • 208 nufc786 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    funny stuff mate

  • 209 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM


    It was just a question I posed re : point’s ..Tads got it right.

  • 210 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:45 PM


    you forgot pmsl. 😀

  • 211 croftus5678 // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    makes no difference if pards does get the sack ! the media will just move onto the next story about us to make us look idiots.

  • 212 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Right ladles and jellyspoons

    i am off for a bit of late food. Catch you all later

    Or if we are being modern… L8trz

  • 213 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM



    I used to think their song tsunami was toon army!!

  • 214 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Markaccus – what about Nobbys relatives -they’re Toon supporters.

  • 215 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

  • 216 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    what has the fact that they are internationals got to do with how good a player is

    shola ameobi is an international player
    steven taylor was an england U21 captain
    dummett is a welsh international
    yet they are never thought of as quality

    also think back to when we had michel owen he was an astonishing forward but the time we wanted him the most he showed no passion at all instead all he was focused on was avoiding injury.

    that team we had out on saturday performed as they did not because of just being internationals no way, it was because they showed passion and commitment to doing what was best for a club that is in such a mess because of 1 stupid owner.

  • 217 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    Pardew could be shown to be equal to Inces three breaches for violent conduct, bringing the game into disrepute and using extreme violence (not using his hands). However he did not swear, touch an official or require stewards to restrain him. I would expect the punishment to be the same, however they could make the fine bigger to reflect the Premiership status and/or add suspended games in an effort to prevent further breaches, plus an anger management course.

  • 218 70TWO // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Forgot to say, any further punishment could only be considered if there was physical injury.

  • 219 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:54 PM

    They’re talking about requesting Pardew attends anger management course whats the world coming to when two men collide and one of them is portrayed like a homicidal lunatic.

  • 220 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:54 PM

    Here’s a real funny stitches. Benny Hill springs to mind

    Or Ashley !

  • 221 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Football programme on Channel 4 – Dispatches “Hate on the Terraces”. at 8pm tonight.

  • 222 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    also when you say what sounds to me like “we have spent loads compared to norwich” can i have you dream myself because from what i can see we have had only 1 out of the last 4 transfer windows where we have brought more than 1 player in and that too was only done because of panic buys.

    their is not one team above us at the minute in that league table who should be below us.

  • 223 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 7:59 PM


    Tbh I don’t think they’re seeing this an as an incident in isolation but a totting up of general touchline misconduct dating way back to handbags with Wenger.

  • 224 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    Online guy

    Did you not read that I was in serious danger of wor lass nutting me because I was on here rather than leaving work? I’ll be back to answer hopefully in a mo.

    Mister Tuff is giving me his mister tuff treatment too so I need to address him. I’ll probably end up posting on an old thread when everyone else has moved on saying as this site has knacked my pc and I can only use my mobile.

  • 225 pottsclock // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:00 PM

    Scottish football and Scottish weather are not what they used to be thanks to global warning.

  • 226 pottsclock // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    warming, even

  • 227 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    So its an orchestrated vendetta by the FA?

  • 228 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    remy he is our only goal scorer

    cisse scored lots for a few months but their are lots of other who are like that why not bring carroll back he was looking a simular form himself. also when people say that pardew’s 5th was luck could the same not be said about most of them goal.

    shola well we all want him out

    if people are so hopeful of obatan leaving then their is clearly no reason why marvo should not be considered the same because they are both players who did absolutely nothing at their previous club.

    if you wanting an attacking team then you will have to accept HBA is just not the right player for that, the premier league is not a slow unphysical league like the french league this is a very fast, physical league and the most simular league to that in europe is bundesliga.
    so with fast leagues come fast players which means attacking team need good workrate and that is something HBA just does not have.

  • 229 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    Radio 5 live are going to debate The Pardew Kiss after 8.00clock news. be interesting what Claridge has to say

  • 230 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    Blacklie ..standing by ..

    Potts thanks for the wx report.

  • 231 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:07 PM


    carrol was and always will be a very expensive sicknote

  • 232 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    The man had a rush of blood and has apologised coughed up 100k and will be reminded about it until he dies and still they want more.

  • 233 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    I’m non plussed that the Hull player has not been charged with leaving the field of play and attacking a Football Manager in his tech area ! strange how it becomes an all out attack on The Manager … the worlds gone F**king mad.

    Remember though it was not a headbutt, it was a face to face confrontation. The force that the Hull player used was far harder than Pardew’s soft contact with said player Myler who made the contact that ignited the fracas in the first place …What you have just read is all true.

    During the fracas Myler was pushing Pardew and squaring up to him with his fists . Disgusting media manipulation of the truth of what really went on ..

  • 234 mag // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:14 PM

    The media are going on like Pardew has invaded the Ukraine.

  • 235 Rotonda heights // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:17 PM


    Not saying Pardew is all wrong but i think you’re overdoing the victim part a bit. In reality with his very average and mediocre CV this is the biggest gig he will ever have and there were and are people way more qualified.

    On Saturday the way we played was great. The football was great, the team selections, tactics subs all worked brilliantly.

    De Jong and Remy is an exciting partnership. Debuchy, Sissoko, Anita and Tiote etc are quality. This is not a bad team by any stretch.

    I just wish I could get rid of this ” but” in the back of my mind. No pun intended

  • 236 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Away to pub ….

  • 237 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:19 PM

    toonking @193 yep totally agree with everything you say about ashley . hes got to go .

  • 238 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM


    agree that Remy and De Jong look like they could be a exciting partnership.
    Like the movement of De Jong off the ball moving defenders around making space for Remy to run into

  • 239 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    Pardew, out of order, probably, but a 100k fine by the club and a probable 100k of the FA with anything up to a ten match ban for a headbutt that did not make contact, even tho there was a bit of intent, its all over board for me.

    Football produces the biggest bunch of cheaters and sly dirty incidents in sport, Charlie Adam goes out to maim opponents, roy keane ended someones career then admitted it was purposeful, Cantona we all know about, our own dear Shearer has done a few naughty s as well, Cattermole is a nuisance and any other number of nasty horrible cheating players would take to long to list, and yea Pardew has to show an example, but all those players swearing shouting hockling, abusing refs, vicious tackling, breaking ankles, doing players knees in etc etc , football in general is played by thugs with not much respect for their sport and for the youngins watching who copy their heroes, not right Pardew but a lot less than the atrocities Mr Charlie Adam has caused, for me its way out of proportion what is happening to AP.

  • 240 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    mag @228—– yeah , if everything was resolved with a simple apology everything would be hunky dory , however , saying that , murderers , rapists , child molesters woild be doing it all the time and expect a lesser sentance , which we all know wont happen. pardew should have thought about this before he decided sticking one on the guy was a good laugh.

  • 241 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Out of all the teams in the premier league it had to happen to our team didn’t it.

  • 242 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    beefman 13 @ 235, everyone you mentioned there are footballers – not managers , people have got to try and understand that. the higher the level , the tougher the punishment, thats life. pardew knew that, or should have knew that. he wont listen , he has been warned 3 times . he cant complain at the punishment he is likely to get., then he might listen

  • 243 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    lower league is more punished nutting someone sein di mate

  • 244 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Stuart, it was out of order, but not premeditated, a spur of the moment thing, remember Cloughy clipping a fan, that wasnt premeditated either, its a high pressure business, AP got clearly pushed by the mackem mayler, i mean in rel life child molesters are getting of with a bit of therapy, it showed AP wont be pushed about, i like that, not meaning nutting someone bot it was an airshot to be fair, everyone has gone mad imo, took the gloss of our very good performance, but something the fella clearly regrets, i take his apology no problem, and im no great Pardew fan i can tell you.

  • 245 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    Nellie the elephant packed her trunks and said goodbye to the circus

  • 246 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    Good song for pardew that.

  • 247 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    online guy — that player left the pitch to get the ball for a throw – what the hell do you want him to do ? wait for a member of staff from NUFC to give him y back lol ?????

  • 248 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    Stuart , the higher the position the higher the punishment?? dont agree, they all have to show respect but players hardly ever once over the white line, many times you see Managers going ballistic on the touchline, and if a manager was doing his nut and a player ran over and pushed him out the way, anything could happen in that moment. but you very rarely see that, i do feel AP may need a few months in the stands, but no worse than Remy did v Norwich, manager or not he got provoked by Mayler, the feather butt was out of order but Sacking A MAN FOR IT, NOT FOR ME.

  • 249 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    I’m not being funny but can everybody just move on from the pardew story, Ashley is not going to sack him, he’s had a fine. And the fa will give him a ban, so everybody just move on.

  • 250 valle // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:51 PM

    Will someone PLEASE put Nicollin in his place!

  • 251 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 8:58 PM


    “Not saying Pardew is all wrong but i think you’re overdoing the victim part a bit. In reality with his very average and mediocre CV this is the biggest gig he will ever have and there were and are people way more qualified.”

    pardew might be just another average manager who has a poor CV but the truth is our club itself is not any different.

    the last time newcastle united won a trophy was 1969 which is 45 years ago
    the only reason we have got such a large is newcastle united is a one club city the rest of the teams are non league teams. sunderland themselves are our closest big rival but they are based in a different city altogether.

    the SBR era and keegan era were two very lucky times for us where we had a quality manager who was very passionate, a quality player very passionate and finally a owner who would spend the money on the players we wanted.
    sadly the SBR type managers was a one of a kind.
    the local owners will never manage to cope with the finances needed to now build the team needed for top 4
    the players now are so easy to get tempted away as it will just take a big wage and/or big transfer fee.

    so we should just accept that we are a mid table team and the quality managers will not want to manage us.

  • 252 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM

    large crowd.

  • 253 toonking // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    time for me to go to bed so goodnight

  • 254 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Toonking what would the great SBR have done if a playyer runs over the touchline and blatantly pushed him out of the way??/ a very proud man Sir Bobby, i bet it would have kicked off in some way.

    Welsh, its maybe the biggest story in football at the min, it will fizzle out, normally any major story lasts 7 days so a few more days to go, anyway i thought it would be a breather from you getting it in the neck.

  • 255 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Funny old game isnt it, watching Chesterfield v Pompey, the Pompey fans havnt stopped singing going in to the 70th min, 4 years ago world class players, mis managed football club with it, now they havnt got a pot to pee in like the boro. we are peed off with our owner but it could be one hell ogf a lot worse, i think its the fact we could push on a bit further and we havnt that gets our back up, fair comment but we are 12 points above tenth in the toughest league on the planet, it really could be a lot worse.

  • 256 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:23 PM


    It does make you realise that, most here, would still back the team whether we are top of the prem league or bottom of league 2….where we are makes no difference for the fans…those who won’t follow the team if it goes wrong are no loss.

    (PS that’s not a dig at those staying away in protest to ashley, that’s different)

  • 257 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    rotonda (if still about)

    all these intenationals and the only starting internationals we have are debuchy and shola ameobi….hardly a ringing endorsement of their quality, most aren’t even in the squad never mind on the bench

    And remember the teams above us all have more internationals (and more top internationals) than we do.

  • 258 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM


  • 259 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    jervis could make a step up

  • 260 jonobbad // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM

    Online guy
    I know the question was to b and b but I felt inclined to answer too.

    1. No
    2. No
    3. Yes

    The hull player did leave the pitch and barged past pardew but attack him? Lmao

  • 261 the truth will out // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:38 PM

    drawing his fist is an attempt to attack

  • 262 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:42 PM

    beefman—– but hes not getting sacked , hes just going to get a lengthy ban and hope he has learnt one hell of a lesson.. think about it – first it was that flair up with wenger at west ham, then it was pushing a linesman, then it was verbally abusing pellegrini in a disgusting rant, then it was sticking the nut on a young player, what next beefman ? what next.?

  • 263 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:42 PM


    no more or less of an attack that pardew, he lent in with his head…shameful and wrong, rightly punished, but not a headbutt as they make out.

    same as most in football, massive difference between pushing your head and thrusting it full force

  • 264 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM

    ok who kidnapped mag and replaced him with a balanced poster lol

  • 265 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM


    he was wrong but didn’t stick the nut on him, he pushed his head in…never a headbutt and never going to do damage

  • 266 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    ok take the word headbutt out of the equation then what has alan pardew done wrong, for so many people to be up in arns about his behaviour, if its not a head butt then what is it???? i’m confused

  • 267 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:48 PM


    Pardew was wrong for confronting a player and pushing his head at him as well as pushing him, it was poo behaviour for a manager and he will be rightly punished, and rightly fined/warned by the club as well as getting anger management too deal with his problems.

    using a dictionary definition….headbutt- an aggressive and forceful thrust with the top of the head into the face or body of another person.

    it was not that

  • 268 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    poor not poo (although poo works)

  • 269 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    beefman—————– we as fans can take the apology but can the FA, The FA have got to make sure this dosnt happen again, to kick this in the bud, the FA are going to make an example of pardew . end of season at least

  • 270 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM


    what next? prob copy maradonna and bring an air rifle to the match when hes in the stands and shoot officials/players/opposition managers :-)

  • 271 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    nip it in the bud i mean .

  • 272 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    I take it as pards has till Thursday to enter his guilty or not plea we have to wait till Friday at the earliest to find out the result of what punishment he will get

    don’t think I can deal with all this till then
    with people thinking the club could get points deducted
    it only Monday by the time Friday comes round they will have bought back hanging and they will be building the gallows

    does any1 have some good toon news

  • 273 Transfer Sage // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    stadium bans mean nothing anyway…can ring coaches to relay messages or even do a mourinho and hide in the laundry

  • 274 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    Yea Stuart, the FA will make an example of AP i think we all know that.

  • 275 Toon Tang // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Is it ‘non-standard’ because it was such a feeble attempt at a butt or what?

    They’ve probs thought about it come to the conclusion it was more pards leaning in to blow his birthday candles out than ‘Glasgow kiss’

  • 276 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 9:59 PM


    Why would I get it in the neck

  • 277 wolfshead@toon // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM


    oh yes i remember that the little tinker haha

  • 278 beefman13 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    I think this may have a positive effect on our players, im sure they will give there all for the manager, if they look up to the stands and see him and get a thumbs up it will spur them on?!?! just like Cloughy used to do!! well not quite the same effect Haha.

    Have to laugh i remember Martin Oneill always looking for praise from Cloughy , only to see the thumbs up given to John Robertson and not himself, he said it gutted him, he always tried so hard for BC.

  • 279 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:03 PM

    beermonkey—– does any1 have some good toon news
    ——— yeah laudrup , di-matio are still unemployed

  • 280 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    If they made another soap on tv, and it was set in newcastle I wonder what they would call it.

  • 281 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:12 PM

    stuart no9

    they will have to wait for there chance with us till the owner changes or ash takes his hand of the toons self made kitty and lets us move forward

  • 282 Toon Tang // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    welsh – probably northeastenders mate

  • 283 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    Saying that it’s a bit like that on here, i mean this pardew storyline is like watching a soap because it will probably drag on until Christmas time.

  • 284 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    Online guy

    The hull player pushed pardew out of the way in haste to get the ball. That was a yellow card offence under fa rules. The criminal law would not come into play. People get pushed and shoved all the time in every day and it amounts to nothing.

    If someone did that to me when watching sunday morning football as a specatator, lino or manager, I would do no more than have a few words or immediately push him back. I know that if I approach him, shut my eyes and stick my brow in his face, that would be completely disproportionate and violent. I can’t think of any circumstances where that is acceptable. The same goes for spitting on someone. It crosses the line and amounts to an assault(depending on the degree) or a public order offence. Even if you say it doesn’t, it should do.

    The guy who offered up his season ticket to pardew wasn’t violent and could have been dealt with by the club or fa, but he was given a criminal conviction. I would rather have a disciplinary fine rather than a criminal record, which is an indelible stain on a persons character. However, I would get the latter if I did to another spectator or match official who had pushed me what pardew did to meyler.

    Pardew and the ticket guy might be nice guys who get carried away in the passion of the game, but they should know the criminal consequences. It seems harsh that the ticket guy gets a criminal record and possibly loses his job and brings shame on himself and his family, but those are the consequences of a minor non violent action at a sportsground.

    The hull player didn’t leave the pitch to push pardew. He left the pitch to retrieve the ball in haste and, fired up and frustrated as a player, shoved pardew out of the way to get the ball. Hansen was right. It was next to nothing. Often players get pushed like that and simply smile. It certainly didn’t merit pardew crossing that line of what is and isn’t acceptable.

    Pardew head butted the player. It wasn’t an extremely violent head butt by any means. In fact it was a soft one to say the least but not anything like as soft as the remy one, where two heads came together ever so softly and without any forward thrust or push. As pardew said, he used his head to shove him away. He could have used his hands. I don’t know how you feel when someone puts their brow in your face and uses it to push you away? It doesn’t have to hurt. Spitting doesn’t hurt. Is there any justification for what pardew did, whether or not he was pushed? Do you think a judge seeing you do that on cctv would accept that it wasn’t a head butt, merely a shove the the face with your brow?

    Did you answer my questions? What if colo was in a desperate hurry to get the ball with 2 minutes left and he pushed a dozy lino out of the way. If the lino did a pardew on him would you call for him to be sacked? I don’t think you’d give it a second thought if you’re honest.

    What if I’m sitting next to the incident and I get out my seat immediately and push pardew (or the lino in my example) with my hands because I’m outraged at his actions. Should I get charged by the police? Is it right that they get a fine and I get a criminal record?

    People say the rules allow players, coaches, match officials etc to be dealt with by the fa and not the police. Where does it say that? The fa rules cannot trump the law of the land. Note the police today were sitting down with the fa to decide whether criminal charges should be brought. The police dont need the fa’s consent. The matter came down to one of personal judgment by the CC of humberside. Following this incident a large section of the public and politicians might take a different view and decide to look at this whole issue of how the police and cps are interpreting the law and implementing policies.

    Players are in a different position. A participant in a properly conducted sport involving physical contact impliedly consents to the physical contact implicit in such a game, notwithstanding that there is always a risk of suffering injury or even death. We rightly make allowances for players to take into account the competitiveness of the game and the natural reactions of the hard physical contact of sport. However, a player does not consent to a deliberate punch or kick in an off the ball incident. (Billinghurst 1978)

  • 285 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    northeastenders I like that, that would be pardews favourite, he could be grant Mitchell a cockneygeordie no that doesn’t sound right.

  • 286 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:21 PM

    284Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    God that’s a long comment

  • 287 jimmysmith // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:22 PM

    I imagine “non standard” is in reference to the unique nature of the incident, “never seen the like of it”, according to Bruce. Doesn’t necessarily follow they’ll throw the book at him, although I quite hope they do and if they had in the past for his prior indiscretions this one might have been far less likely to have occurred.

    But sacked, that would have disappointed me, and charged with a criminal offense, well, how many times does a person need to be tried, convicted and punished till everyone is satisfied.

  • 288 remember69 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:27 PM

    Another common sense view….

  • 289 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:28 PM

    God it’s boring on here tonight, where is everybody

  • 290 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    Hello is anybody there

  • 291 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    Somebody type something in god it’s not that hard

  • 292 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    transfer — ok it wasnt a head butt , so what was it?

  • 293 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    So welsh you are alright

  • 294 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM


    still on his legal crusade to have pardew thrown in jail, while absolving everyone else.

  • 295 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    Yeah I’m alright just fed up of people going on about pardew

  • 296 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    Yeah me to

  • 297 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 PM

    transfer — a head butt is not measured on intensity . are you saying it is only a headbutt if executed with a certain amount of force?

  • 298 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:39 PM


    its not a comment its an essay

  • 299 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    Oh sorry


  • 300 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM

    I thought an essay is a couple of pages

  • 301 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:42 PM

    blackley and brownlie @ 284—— brilliantly put. now that should be the end of the debate.

  • 302 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM

    Sorry I will have to give myself detention

    It’s not an comment it’s an essay
    It’s not an comment it’s an essay
    It’s not an comment it’s an essay
    It’s not an comment it’s an essay
    It’s not an comment it’s an essay

  • 303 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:47 PM


    not mine

  • 304 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 PM

    That’s a whole load of BS

    So your once again justifying a different set of rules and circumstance for players
    A player, because he’s in a hurry can shove a manager, twice, but the manager can’t react because he’s not a player?
    Absolute rubbish

    And yes shoving in an aggressive manner falls under the same part of section 5 you keep referring too

    And once again you keep referring to the lad with the ticket, why? Not a similar incident in the slightest

    There will be no legal ramifications this has been confirmed, your merely over egging your apparent disgust purely due to your disliking of the bloke, it’s pathetic!
    Out of everything seen in the league week in week out this is no worse than when players push there heads into each other

  • 305 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 PM

    See I failed my detention now, I put an instead of a.

  • 306 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:51 PM

    you will have to be expelled

  • 307 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:52 PM

    anyway—- have we signed anyone today?????

  • 308 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    What a plonker I really am rodney

  • 309 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:54 PM

    Ant and Dec

  • 310 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    TADS——–lets put this way , ii would rather go out on a saturday night and get a good old pushing than suffer a flush on head but from some hard c//t. sorry thats just me , everyons different , but i’m not stupid.

  • 311 Mister Tuff // Mar 3, 2014 at 10:59 PM

    Blacklie @284 -I’m not sure I get your point -so could you run that past me again.

    NO, no please don’t -it was a joke

  • 312 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:00 PM


    the term “flogging a dead horse” comes to mind. There is time to stone an elephant to death with ripe figs before you get through.

  • 313 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Don’t ask him to do that we will be here all night

  • 314 welshgeordie9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    When will I will I be famous

  • 315 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    imagine walking along bigg market saturday night , some 6ft-12 nutter stops you -‘ right mate, youve got your choice you can have a good pushing or you can have one of my special nose blaster heeders, take your pick. — erm thats a tough one that, does ya pushing hurt like, naa but my heeders do, go on then i’ll gan for the good pushing, cant be arsed with a ambulance to RVI this time of neet like.

  • 316 jimmysmith // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    The individual gravity and nature and circumstances of an “offence” is surely why a degree of discression is entirely needed in judgement and punishment. Drawing parallels, particularly hypothetical ones, surely then would hold little water unless you were to consider all those differences, often many, in each case, which surely then justifies or even demands that a range of punishment be considered and arrived at. Which I think is certainly happening here. Any suggestion of similarities taken at face value leading to similar outcomes would inevitably be grossly more unfair.

  • 317 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    sign anyone

    you have not heard
    this is Newcastle and we don’t buy or sign players

    Ashley has turned the club into a charity
    its called the mike Ashley drinking benevolent fund

    as a registered charity he is hoping players will come and play for free and hopefully other clubs will donate players to his great cause

    the mike Ashley is a rare and endangered animal and it needs a constant supply of beer and greggs pies so he can keep up his obnoxious and twatish behaviour,

    so please people give generously while at the ground although not his native habitat one you might be lucky and see an Ashley person

  • 318 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    So not only have you compared Pardew to rapists murderers and peado’s he’s now a reet hard Cnut!!
    Lol brilliant
    Guess what he did get shoved by a 6ft 4 brick sh1thouse but instead of taking your route of cowering he stood up for himself rather than thinking quick assume the fetal position!!!

  • 319 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:10 PM

    Flogging a dead horse? Don’t tell me Pardew has been abusing dead animals as well as stalking Bigg market knocking out unsuspecting victims

  • 320 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:14 PM

    The player did not need to push pardew at all. Pardews reaction, no matter how you see it, does not excuse meyler. Comparing the whole thing to a 6’12” (that will be 7 feet btw) nutter coming up to yoi and offering a choice of assaults is pretty much insane. If you are going to start bringing criminal law into football, you have to include everyone in the game, not just pardew because you dont like him.

  • 321 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:16 PM


    apparently he was naked appart from nipple clamps, and was buggering a guinea pig while he flogged that poor animal. There were kids watching and everything. Shocking.

  • 322 stuart no9 // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    beermonkey, does that mean if we dont supply him with beer and greggs , he’ll become extinct ?

  • 323 beermonkey // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM

    yes I spose it does

    maybe we have found a way to slay the beast

  • 324 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:20 PM

    Brainwashed by the sensationalist media, swayed by washed up has been (or never was) pundits, or just on your own private witch hunts. Take your pick.

  • 325 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:23 PM

    The man simply has no conscience

    I heard he then used that guinea pig as weapon to beat orphans and take there pocket money


  • 326 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:25 PM

    Its a bit silly in here. Has been all day. I think everyone agrees pardew needs to be punnished, and has to change his antics on the touch line pdq. But talk of legal action (but only against him, no one else who commits assaults) is mental.

  • 327 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 PM

    He was even dirty as player back in the day

  • 328 Markaccus // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 PM

    Buggering rodents to death and then using them for armed robbery??? FILTH!

    Apparently he took a dump on princess diannas grave, too.

    ok, on that rather sick note, i am off to bed. Goodnight all. I am sorry we cannot find a common ground on this one, but i bear no hard feelings over it. Hope you feel the same

  • 329 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    Bla284Blackley and Brownlie

    I take all your comments on board ..seems like a well considered view of events on Saturday at Hull.from you

    .I cannot agree that the Hull players push on Pardew was as insignificant as you say..or.make it out to be ..It was not exactly good conduct now was it ? to madly shove ,hard, two hand’s in Pardews chest, a manager in his tech area in order to get at a ball ? .

    .Why push the gaffa out of the way ? is that ok ? it looked a violent push to me . and afterwards he should have been red carded for lifting his hands in a threatening manner, and threatening to punch Pardew.

    Now how much sweetness and light do you want to cast over Myler?

    I did have a good read of your earlier post’s Blacklie and I cannot help myself thinking .and this is nothing personal…

    Im thinking that you have a hidden agenda here ..somethings not right ..How can a Newcastle Fan not see the true picture here ? Unless your somewhat of a one off and your a left hooker ..somethings askew here Blacklie’v got a grudge with Alan ..? that’s a question mind not an accusation ..

    He didn’t shag your ex wife …did he ?

    Nothing personal in above questions or demeanour as it comes across, I speak/write in part jest ..and mean no harm and all without Malice ..

  • 330 Sav // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:35 PM

    So there’s ‘Standard Improper Conduct’ and Non-Standard I. C.’?
    Looks like the |FA are winding up a haymaker for Pards.

    Still, its good to be original.

    There’s been so much moralising and pontificating B.S in the papers, on TV and on radio over this incident (bad as it was) that it seems Toon fans have seen and heard enough and decided its time to rally around our man now.

  • 331 jimiley // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 PM

    Pardew is Ashleys man and is staying. As long as Pards keeps us 4th bottom or above, he is staying. This was a great opportunity to sack him but Ashley did not do so because Pardew is his puppet and front man. He could be caught shagging a chicken and he would stay because thats his private life. Pardew and Ashley are bringing this once great club to its knees and nobody seems to notice. I cannot recall Sir Bobby sticking the nut on a player when he was manager. How does Pards instill discipline and self control in the players. If the manager can stick the nut on a player so can I!!!!! Glad I do not go anymore. Disgraceful.y

  • 332 Online Guy // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    I pushed prince Charles out of the way with 2 hands into his chest the other day I was playing in a charity match for my daughters school fund …the ball went out ..His nibs was in the techy area in the way, so I shoved the Old codger Prince Charles right in the chest as the ball ran behind him ….I was then carted off to the tower of London and a sentence was passed on me Monday morning ..I’m to be beheaded at noon on Tuesday.

    In mitigation I made all manner of excuses..I asked them to Do prince Charles for arguing with me face to face ..but they would not have it .

    The Moral of this story is that Myler ‘s part in this is completely conveniently ignored tell me its not a witch hunt against Newcastle ?

    And Howard Webb’s Involvement means Pardew will be slaughtered .

  • 333 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    Mr Tuff

    I’ll run this one past you again because I don’t get it.

    You say, “I explained to you last night that the ACPO Guidelines were not mentioned for the purposes of the debate but because I found a good definition of the FA responsibilities -and those who came under the discipline of the FA -which was appropriate to the debate. Have you forgot that already.”

    I answered that yesterday or did you miss it? Your line is contradictory. You didn’t mention the ACPO guidelines “for the purpose of the debate”, but their content “was appropriate to the debate”. Sorry if I’m confused by that distinction, fella.

    You said yesterday that you had provided them to show that Percy’s position was not deemed a member of the public but rather a member of the club and therefore comes under FA regulations. But what wider point are you making? What is the relevance of the statement if you agree that (1) the laws of the land trump the FA rules and (2) the police can prosecute him if they consider it right and proper and in the public interest? The CC of Humberside was considering that very question today.

    Following from that, other posters seem to be confused because they consider that (1) players, managers and officials are judged by the same standards of behaviour and (2) different rules apply to that group than apply to ordinary members of the public; in other words that group do not come within the laws of the land but solely under the FA’s jurisdiction.

    You seem to think I’m concerned about the provenance. It doesn’t matter to me whether you got the content from ACPO, the FA or Old Moore’s almanac. The point is I’m not sure how it adds anything. On the contrary, your mention of it appears to have confused some people by giving only part of it.

    I wouldn’t care. We appear to be in agreement on the law. However, you consider it a minor incident that should be dealt with by the FA whereas I consider it an act of wholly disproportionate violence and more serious than a fan running on the pitch, who now has a criminal record, a fine and a three year ban. As I say, it’s one set of rules for celebs and another for plebs. Rank hypocrisy.

    Perhaps you can explain to TADS the law on participants in sport and in particular the distinction between those taking part in the sport and risking injury from their direct opponents and those who aren’t, such as managers on the line? Your extract seems to have led to confusion.

  • 334 Carl819 // Mar 4, 2014 at 8:33 AM

    I’d like to charge the FA with ‘Being a bunch of gutless tw@ts who are not fit for purpose’ . All of this, media driven I’ll admit, fuss about next to nowt when that Tackle from Mcmaimaman (how I wanted to spell it) just drifts away. An act of provoked stupidity against a career threatening act of thuggery and which has been deemed to be the worse of the two ? Unbelievable.

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