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What It Will Take For Newcastle To Qualify For Europe

10:13 am, Wednesday, March 5th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 120 Comments

Newcastle have an outside chance of being able to qualify for the Europa League next season, but it will depend on who wins the FA Cup, and how well we do in our final 10 league games.

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The way England chooses their clubs for the Europa League is different than most other countries – because other countries choose them based on where they finish up in the league table.

But not in England, and the three qualifiers are as follows:

  • 5th place in Premier League
  • Capital One (League) Cup winners
  • FA Cup winners

That selection criteria has caused some weak sides to represent England in the Europa League recently, with Birmingham winning the League Cup in 2011 by beating Arsenal,  and Wigan winning the FA Cup last year by beating Manchester City,  but both were also relegated.

There are also some things that happen, should the winners of the cups already have qualified for European competition.

If the League Cup winners have already qualified for Europe – as it seems Manchester City have – then that place goes to the 6th place finishers in the league.

That will happen this season unless City have an enormous slump through the end of the season.

And if the FA Cup winners have already qualified for Europe, then that place goes to the FA Cup runners-up – and that’s how Stoke qualified for the Europa League, after losing the FA Cup Final in 2011 to Manchester City by a 1-0 scoreline.

And if the FA Cup runners-up have already qualified,  then it goes to the 7th place finishers on the league.

There are three clubs left in the FA Cup who look like they will have qualified for Europe already – Manchester City, Arsenal and Everton, but unfortunately Arsenal and Everton are drawn against each other in the quarter finals this Saturday.

But if Manchester City and Arsenal or Everton make the final then 7th place would get us into the Europa League – it’s a little unlikely.

There would be more chance if Arsenal make the final with Everton, who are  currently in 6th place, but only 3 points above Tottenham.

Newcastle are 5 points behind Everton with an inferior goals difference,  so if we can get into 6th place we will make the Europa League and maybe even if we finish in 7th place.

So with a good haul of points in the last 10 games – say 20 – we could qualify for Europe.

These are our last 10 games of the season with the Everton game, due to be played this Saturday, now rearranged to March 25th:

Sat 15	15:00	A	Fulham			
Sat 22	15:00	H	Crystal Palace	
Wed 25	19:45	H     Everton
Sat 29	15:00	A	Southampton		
April
Sat 05	15:00	H	Man United		
Sat 12	15:00	A	Stoke City		
Sat 19	15:00	H	Swansea City			
Sat 26	15:00	A	Arsenal			
May
Sat 03	15:00	H	Cardiff City			
Sun 11	15:00	A	Liverpool

Our best chance of wins in those games are probably against Fulham, Crystal Palace, Manchester United, Stake and Swansea – there’s 15 points.

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Tags: Capital One Cup · Europa League · European Competition · FA Cup · League Cup · Newcastle News · Premier League



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120 responses so far ↓

  • 1 70TWO // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    It doesn’t matter how many wins we get, we are still relient on Man Utds form getting worse and dropping points.

  • 2 Geordie1 // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    We will not qualify as it’s not in the fat boys agenda. I think the club have already made it quite clear what they think of Europa league footy. Ashley would not make enough and the TOON would struggle without significant investment being made on the playing front something Ashley will not do.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!!!

  • 3 We Love Isaac Dunn MC // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Qualifying for Europe would mean that we need to bring in some quality players at the end of the season,
    some say that the legandary Liam Stott of Blackfyne Steelers has the potential.

    I would also like draw the attention of Wor Mike Ca$hley and call that he sell the club to Rob McKay of Cumbria.

    Here is a photo of Laim Stott

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  • 4 RETIRE SHOLA // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    I have heard great things about this footballer Isaac Dunn, however he is in trouble with operation yewtree so may not be the best purchase at the moment.

  • 5 Rainrix // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Wouldn’t even want european football in reality. Ashley wouldn’t invest in the squad to the degree we’d need to effectively compete in europe and on the home front. It’d be a repeat of last season all over again.

  • 6 phatt knacker // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    If we do scrape europe this season after nil investment then am afraid it backs up fat ashs vision for the club. Min investment max profit!!!

    He will see another squad to trim down and not to bolster!

    Massive summer in and out with us turning a profit is probaly the best we can hope for.

    If only we had a real go at building a side to compete with the best and not to just beat the rest

  • 7 70TWO // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Sacking Pardew is still an unlikely possibility. In employee management terms a formal warning and consecutive failures to achieve targets is reason enough to terminate a contract.

  • 8 oldbobaycliffe // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    a miracle dont forget ashley doesn,t want euro or cup football

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    It’s pointless to say which managers have failed elsewhere just by looking at league positions…got to consider the quality of their team in relation to others in the league.

    Pardew, whilst not entertaining most of us, has the squad where they should be…I’m not his biggest fan but I think the best we should except is 7th, but more likely 8th.

  • 10 stuart no9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    i really believe the only person stopping us from playing in europe is our owner . W must be the only club in the WORLD and i do mean world where the owner dosnt want success , strange , very odd , unbelievable , call it what you want – but true. ASHLEY OUT, is our only hope. we will not qualify this seasaon , or next , or next , i would put my house on it

  • 11 cyprus // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    There’s maybe 10 points there…

  • 12 MrMojoRisin76 // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    I hope we get into Europe,that will force Jabba to spend more money on the team,surely he won’t want a repeat of last season and if he doesn’t spend much if we do get into Europe,with what has happened these last 2 transfer windows that would be the final straw.There will be blood.

  • 13 70TWO // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Have just been looking at the Fans Forum minutes on the club website and am pleased the point was made about publishing the Clubs Aims beyond just the programme notes. With the lack of a Mission Statement and ability of the media to misinterpret, it would be good to have some terms of reference with which to evaluate the club. However, their deceitful use of the Supporter Charter in relation to the media does not bode well.

  • 14 giimps // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    If the winners get a champions league place, its very likely that Cashley may indeed want to compete and win the Europa league/or whatever its called now……..its gotta be easier than trying to compete for fourth place in the prem, less games and some easier teams to play.
    If only Cashley could see that, he may just replace outgoings with quality , and not just bargains (all the better if he can do both though).
    HWTL

  • 15 Nudd - Back by popular demand // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    people need to watch out for the legendary MC Nudd to the mic.
    Take over from Ca$hley

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  • 16 Nudd - Back by popular demand // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    ASHLEY OOOUUUUUUUT

  • 17 Nudd - Back by popular demand // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    The Great Fire of Newcastle United Football Club

  • 18 Sliema // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    I think it will be tough. I hope Man Utd stay in the CL just to add to their fixture list.

    Also, 7th place can become a qualification spot if the two FA cup finalists are already CL (in the top 4). So Man City v Arsenal would be good for us!

    I hope we get it. Just keeps our profile half-decent.

    It’s a shame we didn’t get Remy last January though, would have beaten Benfica then imo. Cisse tried his best but he wasn’t good enough.
    (Remy might have been ineligible anyway, cup-tied?)

  • 19 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    F@cking get over man, reaching Europe! iv’e heard it all now.

    we have no chance of getting into Europe, we win 2 games now suddenly we are aiming for Europe, pathetic!

  • 20 mindshaft // Mar 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Basically we need a decent run and for Man City Arsenal to contest FA cup final.
    Manure and potentially Everton are catchable in the league so we could even get 6th although more likely we’ll be 8th or even 9th
    Still, Pards and players will get bonuses for finishing in top 10, I would have taken this at the beginning of season but after being 5th / 6th for most of first half of season 7th should be a minimum requirement, Cabayes goals and assists are a miss but Anita and others need to step up and fill that void

  • 21 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    how can people honestly hope for Europe now?

    can’t you’s see the dilemma we are in when it comes to summer, Remy won’t sign for us, LDJ won’t sign, Santon, Krull, Debuchy, Collo will probably be gone.

    Sissoko, Anita, Tiote could also be on there way if they keep performing very good.

    and it looks like Marveux, Jonas, Gosling & Obertan are shipping out.

    and we still have Pardumb as our manager and Mike Ashley as our so called Chairmen

  • 22 Sliema // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Black and White

    I’m not basing my belief we could get Europe on the back if the last two wins. In basing it on where we are in the league!!!

    Also, the comparison to 2 years ago makes really decent reading. How crazy we are so close to that seasons form? We were all lapping it up back then.

    We look decent. 7th is very achievable, 6th is tough.

  • 23 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    A miracle would help!

  • 24 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Sliema

    my post wasn’t aimed at you mate, good point though that we could aim 7th or even 6th, but to be honest I think we need to stay away from Europe for now until we see what happens in the summer

  • 25 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Only at Newcastle would the idea of trying to qualify for Europe prove to be such a difficult concept.

    Does the owner actually want Europe?
    Do the fans want to be in Europe if it’s not going to be taken seriously, only to see our league form plummet again?
    Will we still have the core of the team that could get us EL football for the competition itself?

    Basically, it’s great to see such confidence at the club!

    It’s pathetic really.

  • 26 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    I think what Newcastle needs to do now is to build on what we got, we really need to keep our star players here, we also need to get rid of the deadwood like Shola, Marv, Taylor ( both of them ) & Obertan.

    if my calculations are right we should have at least 38-40 million in the transfer kitty and that’s not including the 9 million tax and TV money and revenue

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    We are so inconsistent but also capable of beating the big teams, we are an outside for bet for europe, a long shot really, but it is possible.

    I think 8th is where we will finish, the position this squad should achieve, so a fairly successful season.

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    ibiza

    We can have as many players as we like but still struggle with Europe, last year we made an average change of 7.4 players (lets say 7) per game for europe from out strongest 11.

    It’s more to do with the preparation than anything else, it interrupted out usual training and then other injuries to cabaye were big problems.

  • 29 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    The 15th richest man in the UK, needs to invest 100 million and sack Pardew as he has no credibility left he’s a national joke through his own idiotic actions.

  • 30 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Ibizatoon

    honestly mate I would think that MA would want us in Europe, each game brings in money and new sponsors and also extra revenue, but the down side to it though on MA perspective will be bringing in more players for rotation.

    I think what MA has got to understand that us fans would not expect to win the Euro league but we have young lads coming through like Campbell, Street, Dummet, Abied, Almilfitano, Ferguson, Tavnier & Conner waiting for a chance to come through or maybe develop them more for experience

  • 31 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    TS…I wasn’t really talking about quantity, more quality.

    If we do lose the players we’re half expecting to lose this summer, then we would have to bring in replacements who will need time to settle. Not exactly ideal with the idea of taking on the EL as well.

    I know we made a fair few changes with the team last year, but I am struggling to think of 7 players outside of the normal starting 11 that would be considered good enough. And then, yeah, there is of course Pardew, the coaching staff, injuries and lack of preparation time.

    Bring on Europe! :)

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    black and white

    The problem is for us is the club have said they look at things financially first and foremost, and that the Europa league brought in an additional 4.5mil only and therefore the extra spend needed isn’t worth it.

    New sponsors would help, but the problem is that sponsors want regular exposure to europe, we’d need to do it often/regular.

  • 33 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Black & White…I always thought that, it’s just I’ve never seen or heard anything that makes me think Ashley actually wants it.

    As you say, he would need to spend money to beef up the squad or risk our league form dropping and the EL doesn’t offer enough cash reward for him to be that interested.

    After the last experience, it just seemed they were all happy to have gotten through it without being relegated.

    Seeing as we can’t even get past the early rounds of the domestic cups, I’m struggling to get too excited by the EL tbh. Of course I’d rather we did qualify, but do I think anything will be different this time around? I have my doubts. Still, I’d be delighted to be proved wrong as always.

  • 34 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Transfer Sage

    this is why we need to build on what we got instead of selling our better players unless the offer was 3-4 times over there current valuation.

    MA will have to assess our team to the fullest when summer comes because we will have no strikers apart from Gouffran, we have no natural wingers, we are 1 or 2 man down for midfield and maybe 2 CB’s short

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    ibiza

    I’ll name my 11….krul, debuchy, wilo, colo, dummet, anita, tiote, sissoko, remy, gouff, de jong

    then i’d say our next 7 are elliott, santon, taylor, mbiwa, marv, shola, ben arfa…..all reasonable quality for the europa league.

    The good thing about Europa league and bringing in a lot of players is we have an extra 6 (group games presuming the worst) to bring in the new players and get them used to playing our style and with out established players.

    It’s always easy I think to look back with hindsight….like wigan could argue the FA cup cost them a prem league place, Sunderland though could say that the league cup run allowed them to build confidence to be within touching distance of survival not being cut adrift.

    Same for europa league…people argue swansea are struggling this year, a few places lower for sure but when stoke were in it they slipped from 13th to 14th so not much difference.

  • 36 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    The 15th richest man in the UK, needs to send out a positive message of intent concerning the future of Newcastle United, Pardew is a liability now who doesn’t command any respect in the media, which is vital for a Premier league club. Once the FA have mauled Pardew and hung him out to dry, Ashley will probably peddle him for gross misconduct and not have to settle his six remaining years of his contract.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    black and white

    But the system under ashley, since we got promoted back to the prem league is to have a solid core of 13/14 starters then the rest are kids or the same poor players.

    Look at who we have signed to improve us…cabaye to replace nolan, debuchy for simmo, remy and cisse for ba and carrol, gouff has replaced jonas.

    We replace a first teamer with a better one, which improves the team a lot, but we always let one go when we do and the players who were first team who should drop to cover are sold and then we are left with the same rubbish reserve boys like obertan, gosling, etc

  • 38 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    all the big clubs at one time or another were in our situation concerning strengthening our squad for Europe.

    Man United are the perfect example of this because many years ago they had a thin squad and had to depend on there youth team and look what happened to that, they bought in Scholes, Beckam the Neville brothers ect,ect and they became one of the biggest club in the world

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    mag

    I doubt Ashley could do him for gross misconduct after already dealing with the incident by giving him a warning.

  • 40 scitoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    I count a very optimistic 16 points, perhaps 14 pts if we draw with Everton at home. I say let us dream of Europe again! Why let MA ruin every aspect of NUFC? At least the Mackems aint in Europe, eh! I think a Summer overhaul to clear out the deadwood plus a couple of new signings alongside players like the returning Abeid (possibly Good & Armstrong too) getting a game then why shouldn’t our squad be big enough to play in it. Got to be in it to win it!

    A Fulham – 3
    H Crystal Palace – 3
    H Everton – 3
    A Southampton – 0
    H Man United - 1
    A Stoke City – 0
    H Swansea City – 3
    A Arsenal – 0
    H Cardiff City – 3
    A Liverpool – 0

  • 41 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Ashley is a ruthless business man ask Keegan, Shearer,Kinnear, Hughton and Big Sam all blown out for far less than Pardew.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    scitoon

    The mackems aren’t there yet but 2 games away from europe

    my results would be

    A Fulham – win
    H Crystal Palace – win
    H Everton – draw
    A Southampton – draw
    H Man United – draw
    A Stoke City – lose
    H Swansea City – win
    A Arsenal – lose
    H Cardiff City – win
    A Liverpool – lose

    that gives us 15 points which would be a good return

  • 43 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Transfer Sage

    this is why and we all know that we need to rid the deadwood, Jonas and Marv with combined wages reaches up to 90-100k a week, between them we could get about 6-8 million if we sold them.

    just that alone we could get say Ince for 2 million or free with his wages probably between 20-30k a week, this alone is an upgrade to our squad

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    mag

    agree others have been sacked for much less but for whatever reason Ashley seems to like/rate Pardew…he had the chance on saturday to sack him, he didn’t so can’t see him doing it now.

  • 45 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    for me I would go

    A Fulham – win
    H Crystal Palace – win
    H Everton – lose – draw
    A Southampton – lose
    H Man United – draw – win
    A Stoke City – lose
    H Swansea City – lose
    A Arsenal – lose
    H Cardiff City – win
    A Liverpool – lose

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    black and white

    We also need to speculate a little more…buying a few more players (when we usually scout pretty well compared to most clubs) means not only higher league places and more money through that (or even europe and bigger sponsorship deals) but it means we have more good players who can develop and potentially be sold for a profit.

    It just makes sense to try to buy a couple more, especially young lads who are often cheaper and play for less wages.

    I’d love will hughes here, looks a real talent but somebody here said he has agreed a deal with liverpool already (off the record) so not likely.

  • 47 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Black & White and Transfer…I do agree, the key here is gradual building. Bottom line is though, I have lost all confidence in that’s what we’re actually doing.

    I don’t consider myself to be impatient, if the club had continued to do business like they did before we finished 5th, fans perception wouldn’t be in the gutter like it is now. As I hinted to before, that is repairable, but it will take more than 1 window to rebuild confidence. No actual signings over two windows speaks volumes imo. I know it can be argued that we technically didn’t need any more as we weren’t really playing for anything over than top 10, which our squad is good enough. But surely that is the point. It’s about having a steady, mid-table, club and not really about progressing?

    Sure that might change, with the extra TV money you’d like to think so. The model imo is fine, it’s just the execution of it.

    TS…I think you may be contradicting yourself a little :)

    “I’ll name my 11….krul, debuchy, wilo, colo, dummet, anita, tiote, sissoko, remy, gouff, de jong

    then i’d say our next 7 are elliott, santon, taylor, mbiwa, marv, shola, ben arfa…..all reasonable quality for the europa league.”

    and then…

    “But the system under ashley, since we got promoted back to the prem league is to have a solid core of 13/14 starters then the rest are kids or the same poor players.”

    The first one totals 18 players who are good enough and then you say we only have 13/14 who are of a decent enough standard.

    However, moving on to our current situation, how many of those 18 will still be at the club next season?

    I’d say it’s likely Colo is off, unless something has changed. Ameobi isn’t getting a new contract (and although I like the guy, I’m not sure how much use he is anyway really. He holds things up, but that’s about it). It seems Benny is on his way out and as for De Jong and Remy, well, let’s wait and see.

  • 48 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    The FA will be the deciding factor Ashley can sack Pardew without having to pay up his remaining six years if they prove gross misconduct.

  • 49 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Transfer Sage

    aye mate Will Hughes would of been perfect for us, he could of been the next Beardsley or Gazza

  • 50 scitoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    TS – yes but im hopeful Hull will knock ‘em out of the FA cup! Although, having more games on their schedule will eventually take it’s toll so there is that.

    Your predictions are fairly close to mine so i too would be happy with a 15 pt return. Whether that is enough to guarantee 7th let alone 6th is difficult to predict.

    If we get Europe then there is the possibility of LDJ, Remy signing on plus people like Debuchy, Krul & Tiote wanting to stay on. With the core of our 1st team remaining then any additions will be a bonus. Anyway, alot of ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ here but is it dangerous to dream?

  • 51 Black and White with an army lol // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    mag

    we can only hope that is true well become true, because if Pardumb was banned for say 10 games I don’t think MA would want to pay his wages for doing nowt, surely he learnt that mistake with JFK

  • 52 Mister Tuff // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    Couple of quick points.
    Whilst I understand that managers need to try to bolster young players – I really now fail to see the point of Percy trying to get young Ferguson to step up a bit. I truly think that the lad is a “Championship player”. We need to release him.
    On the Percy nutting incident – Mike Quinn has suggested that really at 52 years of age should Percy should have got all that nonsense out of his system.

    Ashley has just snubbed a meeting with a labour MP from the Toon (and a Toon supporter) for a cuppa at the Houses of Parliament -didn’t even reply to her himself and requested any further contact be made via Charnley. This suggests to me that perhaps he is not interested in sharing his intentions with anybody -not really a “transparent” or friendly attitude. He seems to be a go it alone type.

  • 53 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Tuff….That suggests to you that Ashley is not interested in sharing his intentions? Ha, good one!

  • 54 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    It’s not just him being banned his reputation is in tatters and for a manager that is everything, that thirty second loss of control has cost him dear.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    ibiza

    I meant we have 13/14 who are good enough prem league quality (or good enough to play long term if there are injuries).

    I’m happy for most of out lads to step in 1 game here and there, just not confident they could play for 15/20 games if there is a big injury.

    And the europa league last year showed you need a lower standard in the group stages than you do in the prem, we got through easy playing the likes of shola, sammy, raylor, simmo, obertan, bigi, etc

  • 56 martoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    The UEFA cup is an enigma. A club makes about £5m from it which you can also get by finishing about 2 places higher in the premiership so from a purely financial point of view you can see the logic of concentrating on the league. However for the fans you get the thrill of European nights and playing European teams you would normally never see but of course the chances of winning it are remote when all the CL teams enter the competition.
    Even with a big squad it can effect your form – even Spurs have suffered to a lesser degree.

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    ibiza

    As for next season I’m not worried, I’m sure a couple at least you mention will go, possibly 4/5 but we’ll just have to see how they deal with it.

    It’s one thing for the club to not upgrade the likes of obertan, shola, etc etc but to not buy when they go is a different….we’ll have to see how they approach it.

    I think 4/5 will come in and we’ll use 3/4 of the kids from loans more.

  • 58 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    TS…I miss being as calm as you about the future. What’s your tip? :)

    mag…To be honest, it’s well too early to say what the real impact on Pardews reputation is. At the moment, there is a lot of hysteria surrounding the event.

    Way before that event our reputation has already taken a knock and it had little to do with Pardew imo.

    It will be interesting (or simply scary) to see how we can do in the summer window, with or without Pardew.

  • 59 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    @58 in the court of popular opinion Pardew has already been found guilty and if Russia hadn’t invaded the Crimea, and Pistouris hadn’t topped his bird old Pardew would still be top news.

  • 60 Pardews Prolific Boys // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Personally I never saw great things in Ferguson. Was always going to be an “also ran”.
    In the summer I’m confident we can sign pilkington, hoolahan and d.fletcher
    Yep, we’ll probably sign Carl pilkington, patches o’hoolahan and dexter fletcher

  • 61 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    mag…I think we can agree to disagree on this one. Whilst he was really really stupid and a reaction was to be expected (rightly so I might add), it has been over the top. These things usually have a shelf life, all I am saying is we have to wait for it all to be concluded and let the dust settle before we can presume how people will feel about it.

    One thing is for sure, whenever he steps out of line in the future, this event will be referenced.

    PPB…Who let you back on? I demand answers!

    As for Patches O’Hoolahan..seems the perfect replacement for JFK imo. Pardew’s doing his best to keep the circus rolling, but he’s no Joe.

  • 62 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11714/9197139/allam-family-still-prepared-to-walk-away-over-hull-city-name-change-plan

    Am I reading that right? They think having the word “City” in their name is holding them back? I mean, only Man City have done well with City as part of their name, so it must be true!

  • 63 Pardews Prolific Boys // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Ibiza do I know you?

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    In the absence of any other club statements about intentions I’ve been re-checking Mr Tubbs 2008 statement.
    High points are – we have to be self sufficient.
    He will not now subsidise club -would have but not after threats to him and his family
    will buy young players -with a future.
    Knows he is not liked.
    Link to statement:-
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7615655.stm

  • 65 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    PPB…Better than I know myself!

    Well, that’s probably stretching it somewhat and I suppose it depends on whether that post was addressed to me or the actual place?

    Silliness aside, is this not the same PPB from yesteryear? The one who liked to take the occasional spanking on fifa?

  • 66 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Tuff….Always an interesting read. It’s the following quote that keeps me warm at night…

    “I care too much about the club merely to abandon it.”

  • 67 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    This is a good one…

    “You don’t need to demonstrate against me again because I have got the message. Any further action will only have an adverse effect on the team. As fans of Newcastle United you need to spend your energy getting behind, not me, but the players who need your support”

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    ibiza

    no worth worrying, the club might not be great at getting players in of the right quality but we always have the right numbers…i’m sure they can’t leave us with just a squad of 18/19 players

  • 69 martoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    mag @59 – I know it is your style to be controversial but you should watch what you say even on a football blog – always a good idea to add the word ‘allegedly’ to cover yourself.

  • 70 mindshaft // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    Result we should get VS Result we’ll probably get
    A Fulham – win – draw
    H Crystal Palace – win – win
    H Everton – win – lose
    A Southampton – draw – lose
    H Man United – win – win
    A Stoke City – draw – lose
    H Swansea City – win – win
    A Arsenal – lose – lose
    H Cardiff City – win – win
    A Liverpool – lose – lose

    So potentially 21 points but probably 13 points which will give us a healthy 56 points but not good enough for more than 8th / 9th

  • 71 Pardews Prolific Boys // Mar 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Ibiza I am partial to the occasional spanking but not on fifa. You must have me mixed up with somebody you’re better on fifa than. Like a 2 legged dog, or a farmer who had lost 7 fingers in a farm accident

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    Transfer…We shall see I suppose.

    PPB…Okay, I may have twisted the truth a bit there. Should have said, you like to give out spankings on Fifa?

    I am yet to find a 2 legged dog or a 3 fingered farmer who is willing to take it easy on me.

    mindshaft…In those “probably get” results, we’re just as likely to cause an upset in one of them as we are to lose. Bottom line is, with Newcastle, who the hell knows.

  • 73 james589 // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    @64

    My favourite quote of that Ashley statement is: “exceptional young talent such as Sebastien Bassong, Danny Guthrie and Xisco”. Where are they now?!

  • 74 Mister Tuff // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    ibiza -I had a giggle at the “you don’t have to demonstrate against me” bit. Whether Mr Tubbs still thinks Wise and Jiminez were as good as he thought then -who knows. We do not know if any of his thoughts in the last 5 years have changed since that statement. I still fail to understand why he doesn’t issue a “message from the owner” statement once or twice a year. It would assist greatly.

  • 75 jimmysmith // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:38 PM

    The impact the “incident” will have on Pards career…….zilch, zero, nada….jack friggen shit! It’ll be entirely down to what he delivers, which ain’t been too bad at all up till now, considering the shit for brains he works for. Probably end up with a knighthood.

  • 76 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    Russia has allegedly invaded Crimea and Oscar Pistouris allegedly shot his bird followed by Pardew allegedly sticking the brow on Meyler for which he was allegedly fined 100k and the FA are looking into it allegedly.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    tuff

    I know a lot of people want more money spent and the like but we’d be much more forgiving if some decisions were just honestly explained and we were kept in the loop on matters that could be public knowledge, obviously some stuff is confidential but not everything.

    The whole issue of saying nobody will be sold but then to have cabaye tell us he had an agreement in the type of thing what makes the fans not trust the higher ups and makes people doubt them and start rumour.

  • 78 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Tuff…Yeah, it was laughable. You don’t need to demonstrate against me anymore, but if you do, things will get worse. All right Mike, if you say so.

    Well, apparently Joe’s notes included the thoughts of Ashley too, is that not enough for the fans? :)

    James…Ah yes, our exceptional young talent that has thrust us to CL contenders. Actually, where is Xisco these days? I was sure he would have gone on to Barcelona or somewhere by now. The one that got away…

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    jimmy

    Look at any high paid/high powered job….people allow all sorts of incidents/crimes providing the person is delivering success and not having an effect on the company’s profits/share price.

    How many high level execs do mad things and carry on working.

    The reality is there are millions of people who can do low level/skill work but only very few who can deliver at the top…just how the world works.

  • 80 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    Summer shuffles:

    Out:

    Shola Ameobi – £1m
    Shane Ferguson – £1m
    Gosling – £2m
    Jonas Gutierrez – £3m
    Williamson – £2m
    Tavernier – £500k

    In:

    Grenier – £11m
    Cabella – £11m
    Remy – £10m
    Alderweireld – £5m
    Agger – £5m
    Demba Ba – £6m
    Mauro Zarate – £5m

    Net spend = £42.5m

  • 81 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Bring Mehdi Abeid into the fold as he’s obviously good enough. He’ll add some goals top the team and deserves his chance. I always had belief in him.

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    Kets…Who is going to give us money for an out of contract Shola?

    Actually, who is going to give us money for Shola at all?

  • 83 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    As long as we get rid of him, I’m not to bothered. We could go for Konate. He’d be available on the cheap.

  • 84 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Give Luuk De Jong until the end of the season. He could start banging in some goals. Siem De Jong would be a cheap coup.

  • 85 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    I think the only players that’s going to come through is Abeid. He’s playing at a good level and has excelled in both of his loan moves. Abeid can be better than Cabaye.

  • 86 martoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Very funny mag – just trying to give you some friendly advice – n noeed to take the p*ss ;)

  • 87 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    @86 allegedly!

  • 88 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Kets…I’m pretty sure this is his last season with us, so you’ll get your wish.

    After your prediction for Man U in the summer, i will take your word on Abeid…for now anyway. I’ve yet to see too much from him, but he seems to be doing the business in Greece, which bodes well.

    Siem De Jong would be a decent buy from what I’ve seen of him.

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    ibiza

    with Ket’s accurate prediction of man utd it leads me to think he may well be david moyes

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    kets

    No offence, you can’t be david moyes….would wouldn’t waste 27mil of fellaini

  • 91 DokToon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    gooooooooooooooooooood morning nufc blog!

    how goes the war vs ashley? :)

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    TS… :)

    Dok…War…huh…what is it good for?

  • 93 DokToon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    absolutely nothing, say it again… unless it rids us of the fat man, than its very very good :)

  • 94 mindshaft // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    Kets – both Shola and Gosling are out of contract come summer.

    Players contracts expiring on 06/2014
    Shola Ameobi
    Dan Gosling
    Conor Newton
    Remie Streete
    Michael Richardson

    Players contracts expiring on 06/2015 and need to be sold or offered new contract this summer

    Hatem Ben Arfa
    Ryan Taylor
    Samuel Ameobi
    James Tavernier
    Jak Alnwick
    Jonas Gutierrez

  • 95 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM

    Dok…If we’re going to talk “War”, I suggest we go down the path of the group called War.

    So I ask Ashley…

    Why can’t we be friends?

  • 96 Jeff from Benwell // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ps-please-dont-bother-mike-6772951

    The fact that she has gone public with this 5 months after the event but one day before AP’s hearing demonstrates that she is a typical conniving politician wth an agenda and MA was quite right to bodyswerve her.

  • 97 DokToon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    ibiza,

    with friends like JfK, who needs enemies?… or war… just be french and wave the white flag already…

  • 98 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Jeff, she is a Labour fruit cake trying to make capital out Newcastle United.

  • 99 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Jeff….It says the letter was written in Autumn and then goes on to say

    “With even this snub coming four months later, Ms Onwurah says it is difficult to see any way forward.”

    Four months later, before now I assume there was no response, hence the timing of the article.

    Whether she had an agenda or not, the way the club shut out everyone is doing the club no favours at all.

    Dok…With friends like JK, who needs friends? :)

  • 100 mindshaft // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    To be fair to M.A, who would want tea in the house of commons with a minger whinging about the toon / loan sharks / her time of the month etc
    It’s well documented that Ashley has no time for MPs / The Toon, NUFC or generally anything else other than takeovers of failing businesses to make a quick buck

  • 101 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    There’s no accounting for a mad woman.

  • 102 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    Mindshaft…I’m pretty sure the idea wasn’t to have a personal meeting, so items along the lines of “her time of the month” are a little silly and uncalled for.

    The big point is, as you say, he has no time for the toon. That is the only thing that matters with regards to this topic, surely? I think people are right to put pressure on him regarding this point.

  • 103 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    As if Ashley would meet with a leftwing fruit cake and confess all over a cuppa.

  • 104 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    mag…Confess to what?

    Whether you believe her or not is clearly debatable, but the idea behind the letter was to open communication and try and mend the broken relationship between Ashley and well, pretty much everyone.

    I don’t know anything about this woman and don’t exactly have much time for politicians, but surely not everyone can be wrong except Ashley?

    Too much of a dictatorship at Newcastle these days. Yes he owns the club and no he doesn’t legally have to justify anything, but it has gotten ridiculous.

  • 105 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM

    @104 are your piles playing up?

  • 106 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    mag…Sorry, it’ll take a nice cuppa for me to divulge that information to you.

  • 107 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    Maybe you should read her letter over your cuppa, instead of making a show of yourself.

  • 108 Belfast // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    She’s having womans trouble mag bless her

  • 109 Mister Tuff // Mar 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    ASHLEY……………………………………………OUT
    PERCY………………………………………………OUT
    MAD WOMEN……………………………….OUT
    HAEMORRHOID SUFFERERS………..OUT

  • 110 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM

    £27m for Fellaini is ridiculous. They shoild’ve signed Remy for £8m, Grenier for £11m and Cabella for £10m last season. Van Persie has been shocking this season. Remy is miles ahead of him at the moment.

  • 111 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM

    Anyone who is led by Ed Miliband and Harriet Harmon, should be avoided like the plague.

  • 112 Belfast // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    If only you where in charge kets, life would be so much more entertaining.

  • 113 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    mag…Can you clear up the connection between someone having piles and not being able to read a letter?

    My understanding of the brief letter, is that NUFC is important to the city, both to it’s businesses and residents. With this in mind, it’s clear that the city and Ashley wont agree on everything and that these points should be open to reasonable and constructive discussions.

    That cannot be achieved if Ashley wont do his part. We’ve seen what the club can offer us as far as information goes…sweet f.a.

    So, how is it I’m making a show of myself?

  • 114 Belfast // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    Ibiza,
    How would one treat piles if they’re sitting on a fence all day ?

  • 115 Ketsbaia9 // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    If I was in charge, we’d be challenging for the title and at least achieving a fourth place spot. We’re always a few players short of having a class squad.

  • 116 Ibizatoon // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Belfast….You may need to ask mag that one, I must say the piles aspect is not my area of expertise.

    Although as it is in this instance related to fences, I probably should know.

  • 117 jayphoto // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM

    Kets, i never thought id say this but i agree with you on something! remy has been miles ahead of van persie this season!
    We probably would have won the title if wed have signed your suggestions though we’d have tripled our wage bill and spent 100m +

  • 118 mag // Mar 5, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    @113 you’ve explained that one already.

  • 119 Dingo†® // Mar 5, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    realistically the whole team can reach europe………………….. on the ferry from shields

  • 120 microbar // Mar 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM

    Its pointless going into Europe when the owner isn’t interested, We would struggle again through the lack of players.




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