What It Will Take For Newcastle To Qualify For Europe

Newcastle have an outside chance of being able to qualify for the Europa League next season, but it will depend on who wins the FA Cup, and how well we do in our final 10 league games.

europa league emblem

The way England chooses their clubs for the Europa League is different than most other countries – because other countries choose them based on where they finish up in the league table.

But not in England, and the three qualifiers are as follows:

  • 5th place in Premier League
  • Capital One (League) Cup winners
  • FA Cup winners

That selection criteria has caused some weak sides to represent England in the Europa League recently, with Birmingham winning the League Cup in 2011 by beating Arsenal,  and Wigan winning the FA Cup last year by beating Manchester City,  but both were also relegated.

There are also some things that happen, should the winners of the cups already have qualified for European competition.

If the League Cup winners have already qualified for Europe – as it seems Manchester City have – then that place goes to the 6th place finishers in the league.

That will happen this season unless City have an enormous slump through the end of the season.

And if the FA Cup winners have already qualified for Europe, then that place goes to the FA Cup runners-up – and that’s how Stoke qualified for the Europa League, after losing the FA Cup Final in 2011 to Manchester City by a 1-0 scoreline.

And if the FA Cup runners-up have already qualified,  then it goes to the 7th place finishers on the league.

There are three clubs left in the FA Cup who look like they will have qualified for Europe already – Manchester City, Arsenal and Everton, but unfortunately Arsenal and Everton are drawn against each other in the quarter finals this Saturday.

But if Manchester City and Arsenal or Everton make the final then 7th place would get us into the Europa League – it’s a little unlikely.

There would be more chance if Arsenal make the final with Everton, who are  currently in 6th place, but only 3 points above Tottenham.

Newcastle are 5 points behind Everton with an inferior goals difference,  so if we can get into 6th place we will make the Europa League and maybe even if we finish in 7th place.

So with a good haul of points in the last 10 games – say 20 – we could qualify for Europe.

These are our last 10 games of the season with the Everton game, due to be played this Saturday, now rearranged to March 25th:

Sat 15	15:00	A	Fulham			
Sat 22	15:00	H	Crystal Palace	
Wed 25	19:45	H     Everton
Sat 29	15:00	A	Southampton		
Sat 05	15:00	H	Man United		
Sat 12	15:00	A	Stoke City		
Sat 19	15:00	H	Swansea City			
Sat 26	15:00	A	Arsenal			
Sat 03	15:00	H	Cardiff City			
Sun 11	15:00	A	Liverpool

Our best chance of wins in those games are probably against Fulham, Crystal Palace, Manchester United, Stake and Swansea – there’s 15 points.

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120 comments so far

  • 70TWO

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #1

    It doesn’t matter how many wins we get, we are still relient on Man Utds form getting worse and dropping points.

  • Geordie1

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #2

    We will not qualify as it’s not in the fat boys agenda. I think the club have already made it quite clear what they think of Europa league footy. Ashley would not make enough and the TOON would struggle without significant investment being made on the playing front something Ashley will not do.

    ASHLEY OUT!!!!!!


    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #4

    I have heard great things about this footballer Isaac Dunn, however he is in trouble with operation yewtree so may not be the best purchase at the moment.

  • Rainrix

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #5

    Wouldn’t even want european football in reality. Ashley wouldn’t invest in the squad to the degree we’d need to effectively compete in europe and on the home front. It’d be a repeat of last season all over again.

  • phatt knacker

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #6

    If we do scrape europe this season after nil investment then am afraid it backs up fat ashs vision for the club. Min investment max profit!!!

    He will see another squad to trim down and not to bolster!

    Massive summer in and out with us turning a profit is probaly the best we can hope for.

    If only we had a real go at building a side to compete with the best and not to just beat the rest

  • 70TWO

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #7

    Sacking Pardew is still an unlikely possibility. In employee management terms a formal warning and consecutive failures to achieve targets is reason enough to terminate a contract.

  • oldbobaycliffe

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #8

    a miracle dont forget ashley doesn,t want euro or cup football

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #9

    It’s pointless to say which managers have failed elsewhere just by looking at league positions…got to consider the quality of their team in relation to others in the league.

    Pardew, whilst not entertaining most of us, has the squad where they should be…I’m not his biggest fan but I think the best we should except is 7th, but more likely 8th.

  • stuart no9

    Mar 5, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #10

    i really believe the only person stopping us from playing in europe is our owner . W must be the only club in the WORLD and i do mean world where the owner dosnt want success , strange , very odd , unbelievable , call it what you want – but true. ASHLEY OUT, is our only hope. we will not qualify this seasaon , or next , or next , i would put my house on it

  • cyprus

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #11

    There’s maybe 10 points there…

  • MrMojoRisin76

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #12

    I hope we get into Europe,that will force Jabba to spend more money on the team,surely he won’t want a repeat of last season and if he doesn’t spend much if we do get into Europe,with what has happened these last 2 transfer windows that would be the final straw.There will be blood.

  • 70TWO

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #13

    Have just been looking at the Fans Forum minutes on the club website and am pleased the point was made about publishing the Clubs Aims beyond just the programme notes. With the lack of a Mission Statement and ability of the media to misinterpret, it would be good to have some terms of reference with which to evaluate the club. However, their deceitful use of the Supporter Charter in relation to the media does not bode well.

  • giimps

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #14

    If the winners get a champions league place, its very likely that Cashley may indeed want to compete and win the Europa league/or whatever its called now……..its gotta be easier than trying to compete for fourth place in the prem, less games and some easier teams to play.
    If only Cashley could see that, he may just replace outgoings with quality , and not just bargains (all the better if he can do both though).

  • Nudd - Back by popular demand

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #16


  • Nudd - Back by popular demand

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #17

    The Great Fire of Newcastle United Football Club

  • Sliema

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #18

    I think it will be tough. I hope Man Utd stay in the CL just to add to their fixture list.

    Also, 7th place can become a qualification spot if the two FA cup finalists are already CL (in the top 4). So Man City v Arsenal would be good for us!

    I hope we get it. Just keeps our profile half-decent.

    It’s a shame we didn’t get Remy last January though, would have beaten Benfica then imo. Cisse tried his best but he wasn’t good enough.
    (Remy might have been ineligible anyway, cup-tied?)

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #19

    F@cking get over man, reaching Europe! iv’e heard it all now.

    we have no chance of getting into Europe, we win 2 games now suddenly we are aiming for Europe, pathetic!

  • mindshaft

    Mar 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #20

    Basically we need a decent run and for Man City Arsenal to contest FA cup final.
    Manure and potentially Everton are catchable in the league so we could even get 6th although more likely we’ll be 8th or even 9th
    Still, Pards and players will get bonuses for finishing in top 10, I would have taken this at the beginning of season but after being 5th / 6th for most of first half of season 7th should be a minimum requirement, Cabayes goals and assists are a miss but Anita and others need to step up and fill that void

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Comment #21

    how can people honestly hope for Europe now?

    can’t you’s see the dilemma we are in when it comes to summer, Remy won’t sign for us, LDJ won’t sign, Santon, Krull, Debuchy, Collo will probably be gone.

    Sissoko, Anita, Tiote could also be on there way if they keep performing very good.

    and it looks like Marveux, Jonas, Gosling & Obertan are shipping out.

    and we still have Pardumb as our manager and Mike Ashley as our so called Chairmen

  • Sliema

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #22

    Black and White

    I’m not basing my belief we could get Europe on the back if the last two wins. In basing it on where we are in the league!!!

    Also, the comparison to 2 years ago makes really decent reading. How crazy we are so close to that seasons form? We were all lapping it up back then.

    We look decent. 7th is very achievable, 6th is tough.

  • mag

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #23

    A miracle would help!

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #24


    my post wasn’t aimed at you mate, good point though that we could aim 7th or even 6th, but to be honest I think we need to stay away from Europe for now until we see what happens in the summer

  • Ibizatoon

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #25

    Only at Newcastle would the idea of trying to qualify for Europe prove to be such a difficult concept.

    Does the owner actually want Europe?
    Do the fans want to be in Europe if it’s not going to be taken seriously, only to see our league form plummet again?
    Will we still have the core of the team that could get us EL football for the competition itself?

    Basically, it’s great to see such confidence at the club!

    It’s pathetic really.

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #26

    I think what Newcastle needs to do now is to build on what we got, we really need to keep our star players here, we also need to get rid of the deadwood like Shola, Marv, Taylor ( both of them ) & Obertan.

    if my calculations are right we should have at least 38-40 million in the transfer kitty and that’s not including the 9 million tax and TV money and revenue

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #27

    We are so inconsistent but also capable of beating the big teams, we are an outside for bet for europe, a long shot really, but it is possible.

    I think 8th is where we will finish, the position this squad should achieve, so a fairly successful season.

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #28


    We can have as many players as we like but still struggle with Europe, last year we made an average change of 7.4 players (lets say 7) per game for europe from out strongest 11.

    It’s more to do with the preparation than anything else, it interrupted out usual training and then other injuries to cabaye were big problems.

  • mag

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #29

    The 15th richest man in the UK, needs to invest 100 million and sack Pardew as he has no credibility left he’s a national joke through his own idiotic actions.

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #30


    honestly mate I would think that MA would want us in Europe, each game brings in money and new sponsors and also extra revenue, but the down side to it though on MA perspective will be bringing in more players for rotation.

    I think what MA has got to understand that us fans would not expect to win the Euro league but we have young lads coming through like Campbell, Street, Dummet, Abied, Almilfitano, Ferguson, Tavnier & Conner waiting for a chance to come through or maybe develop them more for experience

  • Ibizatoon

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #31

    TS…I wasn’t really talking about quantity, more quality.

    If we do lose the players we’re half expecting to lose this summer, then we would have to bring in replacements who will need time to settle. Not exactly ideal with the idea of taking on the EL as well.

    I know we made a fair few changes with the team last year, but I am struggling to think of 7 players outside of the normal starting 11 that would be considered good enough. And then, yeah, there is of course Pardew, the coaching staff, injuries and lack of preparation time.

    Bring on Europe! 🙂

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #32

    black and white

    The problem is for us is the club have said they look at things financially first and foremost, and that the Europa league brought in an additional 4.5mil only and therefore the extra spend needed isn’t worth it.

    New sponsors would help, but the problem is that sponsors want regular exposure to europe, we’d need to do it often/regular.

  • Ibizatoon

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #33

    Black & White…I always thought that, it’s just I’ve never seen or heard anything that makes me think Ashley actually wants it.

    As you say, he would need to spend money to beef up the squad or risk our league form dropping and the EL doesn’t offer enough cash reward for him to be that interested.

    After the last experience, it just seemed they were all happy to have gotten through it without being relegated.

    Seeing as we can’t even get past the early rounds of the domestic cups, I’m struggling to get too excited by the EL tbh. Of course I’d rather we did qualify, but do I think anything will be different this time around? I have my doubts. Still, I’d be delighted to be proved wrong as always.

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #34

    Transfer Sage

    this is why we need to build on what we got instead of selling our better players unless the offer was 3-4 times over there current valuation.

    MA will have to assess our team to the fullest when summer comes because we will have no strikers apart from Gouffran, we have no natural wingers, we are 1 or 2 man down for midfield and maybe 2 CB’s short

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #35


    I’ll name my 11….krul, debuchy, wilo, colo, dummet, anita, tiote, sissoko, remy, gouff, de jong

    then i’d say our next 7 are elliott, santon, taylor, mbiwa, marv, shola, ben arfa…..all reasonable quality for the europa league.

    The good thing about Europa league and bringing in a lot of players is we have an extra 6 (group games presuming the worst) to bring in the new players and get them used to playing our style and with out established players.

    It’s always easy I think to look back with hindsight….like wigan could argue the FA cup cost them a prem league place, Sunderland though could say that the league cup run allowed them to build confidence to be within touching distance of survival not being cut adrift.

    Same for europa league…people argue swansea are struggling this year, a few places lower for sure but when stoke were in it they slipped from 13th to 14th so not much difference.

  • mag

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #36

    The 15th richest man in the UK, needs to send out a positive message of intent concerning the future of Newcastle United, Pardew is a liability now who doesn’t command any respect in the media, which is vital for a Premier league club. Once the FA have mauled Pardew and hung him out to dry, Ashley will probably peddle him for gross misconduct and not have to settle his six remaining years of his contract.

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #37

    black and white

    But the system under ashley, since we got promoted back to the prem league is to have a solid core of 13/14 starters then the rest are kids or the same poor players.

    Look at who we have signed to improve us…cabaye to replace nolan, debuchy for simmo, remy and cisse for ba and carrol, gouff has replaced jonas.

    We replace a first teamer with a better one, which improves the team a lot, but we always let one go when we do and the players who were first team who should drop to cover are sold and then we are left with the same rubbish reserve boys like obertan, gosling, etc

  • Black and White with an army lol

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #38

    all the big clubs at one time or another were in our situation concerning strengthening our squad for Europe.

    Man United are the perfect example of this because many years ago they had a thin squad and had to depend on there youth team and look what happened to that, they bought in Scholes, Beckam the Neville brothers ect,ect and they became one of the biggest club in the world

  • Transfer Sage

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #39


    I doubt Ashley could do him for gross misconduct after already dealing with the incident by giving him a warning.

  • scitoon

    Mar 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #40

    I count a very optimistic 16 points, perhaps 14 pts if we draw with Everton at home. I say let us dream of Europe again! Why let MA ruin every aspect of NUFC? At least the Mackems aint in Europe, eh! I think a Summer overhaul to clear out the deadwood plus a couple of new signings alongside players like the returning Abeid (possibly Good & Armstrong too) getting a game then why shouldn’t our squad be big enough to play in it. Got to be in it to win it!

    A Fulham – 3
    H Crystal Palace – 3
    H Everton – 3
    A Southampton – 0
    H Man United – 1
    A Stoke City – 0
    H Swansea City – 3
    A Arsenal – 0
    H Cardiff City – 3
    A Liverpool – 0


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