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9:25 am, Thursday, March 20th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 119 Comments

In looking at the report from the FA commission that looked into Alan Pardew’s improper conduct charge – after he had headbutted Hull City player Davide Meyler imposed a sizable ban because the incident was seen by millions and millions of TV viewers around the world and after all Alan Pardew is a very experienced manager  at a high-profile and well respected club.

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David Meyler and Alan Pardew confront each other

This is more of what the commission said yesterday:

“Bluntly, Mr Pardew had little option but to admit the charge and to apologize accordingly. Mr Pardew is a high-profile and very experienced manager at a high-profile and well-respected club in a high-profile league and where matches are watched worldwide.”

“This is, on any view, a serious incident which has to be sanctioned accordingly, but at the same time proportionately.”

And it was revealed that the club’s professional and rapid response to Pardew’s stupidity, on the night of the incident, also reduced the severity of his punishment.

Newcastle United issued a stern statement that gave Pardew a formal warning, warned him as to his future conduct, and fined him £100,000, and seemed to be well received by the three-man commission.

The manager’s own response, where he immediately admitted he had been stupid, had apologized to everybody concerned, and had sent a letter of apology to Hull City Manager Steve Bruce, also helped the Newcastle manager.

As long as it doesn’t happen again we think Pardew will be OK from now on …….. maybe.

For the record Alan has been a manager since late 1999, and he’s managed at Reading, West Ham, Charlton, Southampton and Newcastle.

The Londoner has managed for a total of 676 games – 153 at Newcastle – with an overall win percentage of 42.75 – 38.56 at Newcastle.

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119 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:38 AM

    This topic has been done to death, lets continue with the previous topic which was about Luuk de Jong ?

    LDJ has not had the best of starts to his Newcastle career, however I would not rule him out just yet, don’t forget how poor Debuchy was when he came, some players do need a pre-season behind them in preperation for the Premier league, I feel that LDJ will be one of those, as difficult as it has been for him I have still seen enough of him to believe that he could be good, he is a strong lad who does hold the ball up and bring others into play, lets not forget that we haven’t had that type of striker since Ba left so the rest of the side will have to adapt to him as well, which is why I feel that a pre-season could be really good for him, at £6/7m then that has got to be a good deal, so for me a definite yes.

  • 2 Nufcjoss // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:41 AM

    it’s bin to long since we were involved with the top 4. Mike have turned us in to a okey team at best!

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:42 AM


    nothing against luuk, seems a good lad and a very useful foil for anther goal scoring striker, does all the hard work for his strike partner….but for 8.5 mil I think we need a bit more out of him to sign him on a permanent.

    But if it’s a choice of him or nobody i’d definitely take him, rather we topped up the money to 12-15mil a bought a very high level forward but i can’t see that within our budget, knowing we need at least 3 other players too.

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:44 AM


    I’m no Ashley fan, more for his communication and treatment of the club/fans/history/tradition but even I will admit we were an average team before he came in……during the prem league years i believe we were only top 4 on 4 occasions (correct me if i’m wrong) and hadn’t been top 4 in the 3 years before he came.

  • 5 Himanshu Dhingra // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:48 AM


    The circumstances of his arrival were tough too.

    Cabaye sold, Derby against mackems

    Tough games against Chelsea, Spurs, not always a Full strength side.

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    If you look at the all time PL standings we’re eighth, if you throw in fifty points for that disaster of the CC and throw in another ten points the season we should never have been relegated then that has us in sixth, a couple of points behind fifth, so I think the very least we should be aiming for is the top six, instead of the bollox of we can’t compete with high spenders like Soton, and Swansea.

  • 7 Yohan Kebab // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    There are better options for the price quoted though, could go for Pelle prom feyenoord if we want a big man

  • 8 Himanshu Dhingra // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:52 AM


    he is 29 and have you seen his misdemeanors against AZ and Ajax?

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:53 AM

    It has been proved Mashers will gamble 9M on a player who he thinks will double in value but no more, if reports are to be believed he was fuming after spending that on Cisse and missing out on the CL, I’m with Spoof I think we have to take a chance on LDJ, we’ll be lucky to find an instant hit who can score goals for less money. Armstrong could be the next Owen and save the day.

  • 10 Himanshu Dhingra // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:53 AM


    Just have a problem with not trying.

  • 11 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 9:54 AM


    time will tell, but I do honesty feel that LDJ could be a lot better than what we have seen of him so far, he does hold the ball up and bring others into play, we have not played a system which requires a striker like that since Ba left, so not only does LDJ need to settle in, the rest of the team need to realise that with him we now have more than just the counter-attacking system, we need the Gouffrans, Sissoko’s and Anita’s to be aware of what Luuk can do and make runs to link up with him quicker than what they currently are.

    Realistically the £12/15m striker will never happen, but as has happened so often we will have to make do with a cheaper option and get the best out of him, forget about this being “Pardewed” nonsence, Ba, Gouffran, Williamson, Cabaye, Tiote etc have all blossomed under him, who’s to say Luuk can’t as well.

  • 12 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Jail for Ashley

    Wow you spout some garbage assumptions sometimes.

    So IF we hadn’t been relegated and IF we had done better one season then we’re 6th in the all-time standings so we SHOULD be in the top 6?

    Well, IF Chelski had got their investment 10 years earlier and IF Man City had got their investment 15 years earlier, where would we be then? What about IF SJH had been a mackem and invested in Dunderland instead?

  • 13 Transfer Sage // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM


    I’d like to see it but in the past few years teams like chelsea and man city have got so much money it’s impossible to compete with them.

    Add to that the money of man utd, liverpool and arsenal from years of champions league and huge commercial deals, plus their natural pull to attract players on just reputation.

    It leaves us going for 6th with spurs and everton realistically, but even spurs are spending more money now than we do.

    I accept more could be done but i’m not too worried about the football side with Ashley, it’s more his treatment of us knowing we are loyal so continue to go despite the crap he does.

    He doesn’t do it for SD as he knows people have no loyalty to a shop, but as fans we have loyalty to a lcub.

  • 14 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Jail @9

    why would want Armstrong to be over-paid and injury prone lol.

    Seriously though, it would be great if that happened as the Owen of Liverpool was a fantastic player, actually Owen (when he played) had a good record for us as well, just a shame it wasn’t often enough.

  • 15 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    I think we have been a fully fledged, nailed on, top 6 club based on support, facilities and players if not points during the EPL era. Just had a catalog of mediocre to shit management and ownership at the helm apart from the Robson and the first Keegan spell which are becoming increasingly and obviously exceptions to the norm.

  • 16 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    £12/15M striker will never happen? Despite the fact that we spent around £10M on Cisse and we have a bumper warchest available this summer? Why are some of you fans so damn negative?

    It’s not like Ashley won’t spend money, it’s just that he insists on value. Problem is, we rarely get that from English clubs.

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM


    Like you say, he might settle and be a force next year, not everyone hits the ground running, especially given him lack of competitive game time.

    I’d not be unhappy if we got him, just think if we do, we need a genuine goal scorer like remy in as well.

  • 18 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    As a Premier League football club we should be looking at strikers who can guarantee us 15-20 goals a season. We have to be buying these players.

    Not loaning them, not messing on. We should have these players signed up here on good contracts. This is a must for the top 6-8. It has to be done to push on.

    The truth is Mike won’t do it and he is constantly looking at cheap work arounds in loan deals, and now dare I say it, the youngsters. It’s pathetic.

    I hope all this hyping up the youngsters recently and giving them a chance is also coupled with buying two top class strikers in the Summer. This is the Premier League and we NEED these forwards in.

    This man needs to get his act together, the squad is a mess and it’s down to him.

  • 19 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Let’s look at the top 9 that we’re competing with this season:
    Man City – mega rich
    Chelski – mega rich
    Arsenal – rich, stable and consistent top 4
    Liverpool – rich, relatively stable and consistent top 8
    Everton – stable and consistent top 8
    Spurs – stable and consistent top 10
    Man Utd – mega rich and consistent top 4

    Southampton are riding high on a fantastic youth programme but we’ve seen this before with other clubs and that’s no guarantee. Players like Lallana, Shaw, Chambers etc. don’t come along every season.

    There is no way we deserve to compete with the first 7 teams based on the last 10 seasons. They have all had consistent top finishes, several are massively more wealthy than us and they’ve been building up gradually.

    It doesn’t matter how big a club you think we are, the reality is that we’re facing a massive struggle to get into the top 6. Spurs have a lot more money coming in and even they are struggling.

  • 20 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:14 AM


    In fairness I can see the sense in what Jail was saying, basically if you take away the stupid errors of the past then that gives an indication of just where we are and could be, I don’t see any harm in stating that based on Premier league history we are eight and would be higher if it wasn’t due to silly mistakes which have cost us dearly and without these expensive errors then the position we then find ourselves in should be the minimum target for us.
    If you don’t adopt that attitude then why bother trying, it would be like saying that Man U got relegated in the 1970′s so they should be grateful for anything which is better than that, you always have to give harder targets to try to improve, nothing silly at all about that.

  • 21 ayecanny // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Of this subject, anyone getting bored of buying players from aboard.. This summer I’d enjoy it we got the likes of R. Morrison, T.ince, maybe Zaha on loan, maybe ings? and a couple of young english defenders.. Spend twenty million and see how they cope.. They will jump up in prize mainly due to them playing for newcastle and being english.. I would much rather go and see them then some of the lads playing for us today.. Might just be the build up to the world cup but to be a team like southampton with all these english youngens we’d be well talked about and liked.. Rather then that french team up north..

    What yous think…..

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    I don’t think it’s an assumption to say we we’re grossly mismanaged in 2009 and should not have been relegated and especially not a garbage assumption, KK in charge all season without the BS and deceit would have had the extra ten points I cite.

  • 23 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM


    Nailed on top 6 club? Assuming you already have City, Chelski, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool in there. You’re saying our club has some sort of right to finish above Spurs and Everton?

  • 24 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Jail for Ashley

    KK should never have been appointed. He’s been a failure at every other team he’s managed except for Fulham where they spent mega-bucks too. He was perfect for us the first time and his tactics surprised opposing teams almost enough to win the league. But if he was that good a manager, then he’d have been in a job before and after.

    No doubt we were mis-managed that season and I put the blame to several places. Obviously Ashley deserves the bulk of the blame as he was the man making decisions:
    1 – Fans for whinging about Allardyce
    2 – Ashley for listening and sacking him
    3 – Ashley for pandering to the fans and hiring KK
    4 – Ashley for not writing a proper contract with KK
    5 – Ashley for trying to fix 4 and hiring DW
    6 – KK for throwing his toys out of the pram (again)
    7 – Ashley for not expecting 6
    8 – Fans for going mental when KK left
    9 – Ashley for hiring JFK
    10 – Ashley for pandering to the fans (again) and hiring AS

    Blame on the fans is more frustration from my part. Fans whinge and so on and that’s part of football. I’m just frustrated that Ashley appears to have listened to them. I can understand him wanting to bring in his own man, but KK was not that man obviously.

    And you just can’t say if we didn’t have a bad season then we’d be higher up. Every club goes through the crap and if they didn’t then they’d have more success too. How about if Leeds hadn’t over-extended themselves?

  • 25 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:25 AM


    what all clubs apart from us do is to reinvest, even Everton do compared to us, over the last 5 years all clubs have sold players, but they have put it back into the squad with a little bit more added to it (for most clubs), we are the only club who do not reinvest on a large scale, whilst we continue to operate like this we will never challenge those at the top, and due to not competing with those above us you feel that we have no right to expect us to, with that belief we never will m8, other clubs will not purposely weaken themselves to allow us to compete with them, we have to force the issue.

  • 26 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM


    If Leeds hadn’t over-extended themselves, they could still be in the CL
    Liverpool should have won the Premier League at some point
    Aston Villa should be up in the top 8
    Sunderland should have been in the PL more

    Every club can point to mistakes and say they could have done better but it’s pointless. Every club has good and bad times. You can’t erase some of our bad times and use it to justify a point unless you erase the bad times of every other club!

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    I don’t know how you can say KK threw his toys out of the pram second time round, the guy has a history of it, but the second time round it was proved it was justified.

  • 28 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM


    Check out the transfer stats of Everton and Arsenal too.

    And there’re more to reinvesting than transfer fees. Many fans overlook this. We’ve signed a lot of player and we’ve paid good wages, loan fees and agent fees to get some good deals. Everton have also been a consistent top 8 club for around the last 10 year making them more attractive to players and allowing them to keep top youngsters than break through into the first team.

    I get our fans are impatient but it takes time and not making snap decisions.

  • 29 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Jail for Ashley

    It was justified legally, because he had every right to assume he would have the final say on transfers, but some managers would just have put up with it and got on with coaching and selecting the team.

    I’m blaming him as much as I blame a cat for scratching me if I stand on its tail…it’s the nature of the beast.

  • 30 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:37 AM


    the whole point which was being made is that we should expect to be stronger challengers than what we currently, yes as you rightly say other clubs have and will continue to make mistakes which knock them back, but like myself and Jail what they will do is put the extreme mistakes to one side and look at what is left and use that as a benchmark target for what they hope to achieve, all clubs will do this, the only certainty is that some will fail as you can be assure that at least 10 clubs will look at top 8 as being achievable, it’s called competition, if you look at the poor seasons and say that are are better now than what we were then, then you will never improve, attitude m8, attitude, you have got to strive to get better, if you don’t you will get worse, do you honesty see us trying to improve ?

  • 31 catchy in norway // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM


    from yesterday

    “It was brief – two conversations. He was with his analyst but was fine. He was quite calm. And yes, his hotel room is all right!” “We all know what has gone on and now we have to move on.”

    there is more to it, there is a video of his press conference after the match,

    I don’t like how he just hung MYM out to dry, this is a team game, win and loose as one,

  • 32 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    i see see

    soneone spouting tosh

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Ha ha, like Pardew and swallowed his dignity for a job in the big time, I can imagine KK Geordie legend standing week after week telling the fans we couldn’t get PEA over the line as the fictitious 17M bid was rejected.

  • 34 bob // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    As long as we keep this manager we’ll always be second rate as that’s all he understands.

  • 35 Rainrix // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    On LDJ as i said the other day we have in many ways zero creativity. Its going to be hard for him to score goals between now and the end of the season. Even remys 2 recent goals were down to poor opposition defending and a deflection that came to him. Plus as others have mentioned its a new league for him plus he’s probably on low confidence given he hasn’t scored in a long while.

  • 36 eric // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    De Jong is not as good as Leon best he scored goals even Lovenkrands put a few away.

  • 37 catchy in norway // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM


    I disagree with you

    the list of team you have in the top 9, that’s a fact, the table don’t lie, but just because they have mega money don’t meant they should be in the top, the manager and his team have a huge affect on what position they will finish

    the season we finished 5th, was more down to KD and AVB at Liverpool and Chelsea, and luck, both of those team spent fortunes and we didn’t

    if spurs had AVB right now, they would be sitting right next to us, yet they spent 100 million, with the right manager that should be enough to have great cups runs and a good position in the league,

    man u won the league last season, more or less the same side, anyone can beat them this season,

    you say Southampton are riding on a good youth system, I would like to think that there manager should take huge credit for where they are, firstly, they play good football, they play with purpose , they get the best out there best players, and they all seem to want to play for each other,
    we are the polar opposite to them, we hinder our players by playing them out of position, more to suit the managers flawed tactics, keep possession, contain, and shoot from distance

  • 38 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    It’s a shame we never got him at the start of the season, but I suppose there was no telling how useless Cisse was going to be, I think we could have had LDJ in the summer which makes a mockery of our pursuit of Gomis.

  • 39 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM


    I have checked out Everton and Arsenal, Everton have sold £12m more than what they have spent, and Arsenal have sold £4m more than what they have spent, we however have sold £45m more than what we have spent, so if Alan Pardew had been allowed to spend £32m more than what he has then we would have a significantly better squad and team, yet we would still be bottom of the reinvestment table, that really does put into perspective just how pathetic Ashley is, all other clubs apart from those 3 have reinvested incoming transfer funds and then added a bit more to the managers fund, and five years ago we were getting relegated, Arsenal were 4th and Everton were 5th, so they started with much stronger squads, as I say, to compete you have to give the manager a chance, Ashley is not giving Pardew a cat in hells chance.

  • 40 mag // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    L de Jong, isn’t showing anything to make NUFC, sign him he isn’t as good as the hype makes out. Leon Best was much more prolific and he wasn’t Premier league quality either.

  • 41 Rainrix // Mar 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    JFA…. Aye easily could have had him on loan and then he would have had more time to prove himself instead of feeding off of scraps for half a season with our most creative player gone. Honestly given the prices involved for gomis I’m surprised ashley didn’t want us to go for the cheap loan option anyway.

  • 42 mag // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    Newcastle United, have always managed to score goals, it’s just they always had a suspect defence now they suffer from both problems.

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    I have just received an e mail from the club asking me to try out the TV channel for 99p,
    My reply:
    No thank you,
    I can’t believe a word you say these days, the state controlled N Korean has more believable news than what is coming from the club recently,
    Kind Regards,


  • 44 Ibizatoon // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Jail…”Kind regards” – No hugs and kisses? You big softy!

  • 45 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Based on all the EPL years, not now obviously, but on average, over the 15 plus years of the EPL, taking into account the relative facilities, home crowds and players, yes, a nailed on top 6 club, undone all too often by some sadly ordinary, at times bewildering management and ownership.

  • 46 mag // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    NUFC tv read comedy channel.

  • 47 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM


    But IF Leeds hadn’t over-committed and IF Everton had got the investment they should have and IF Sunderland hadn’t got relegated several times, then they would be right up in the top 8 too. You can’t just wipe out the negatives for our club and not for others. Besides, I listed 5 clubs (City, Chelski, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal) that are streets ahead of us in terms of history/money/recent success. And yet people are saying we should be nailed on for top 6??? Which of these 5 clubs should we be finishing above or should we expect to finish above Spurs and Everton? What right do we have to finish above those 2 big clubs? How about Villa? They should be right up there too? Leeds? How about Nottingham Forest or Sheffield Wednesday? Sunderland even??

  • 48 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Jail for Ashley

    Plenty of managers do mate. And frankly as we can’t change the owner, what is best for NUFC is to have the best manager running the club the way the owner wants him to

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM


    You’re right that money doesn’t make the whole difference or we could give the league to City every season, but factors like money and youth system make a huge difference to the players that a manager has available to him.

    I’d say money and fantastic youth system are a hell of a lot more relevant to saying a club deserves to be at the top than just pointing out we have 50,000 fans every home game!

    For us to catch up those teams, we need to do better in other areas; management, signings, youth or just outright luck. All of that happens and that’s the beauty of football, there are no guarantees. Streete and Armstrong could come through next season and be so good they break into the England team, while all of our players could perform and a couple of clubs above us could suffer injuries and we get 4th. But to say we should expect to be in the top 6 is nothing short of ridiculous really. There are several clubs who could claim to deserve better but really we all deserve to be where we are.

    Southampton have a relatively new manager, managers don’t become great from a season or two, how many players and managers have we seen excel and then suddenly drop off? It’s a team effort and clearly there are a lot of good things at Southampton. Even Pardew deserves some credit for the things he did back in the day.

  • 50 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM


    But as I said, that’s just transfer fees. It doesn’t take into account increased wage bills, agent’s fees or anything else.

    I’ve pointed this out several times but when Carroll left (£35M + say £1M a year) that’s £40M over 5 years. Say we signed 3 players for £5M each, plus £40kpw + another £5M in fees, then that’s actually £50M over 5 years! Some fans claim we still have £20M in the bank but really the club needs to find another £10M over the next 5 years to pay for those 3 players.

  • 51 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    No one is saying we have a right. Just that we have not been well managed relative to the other clubs nor have we had the financial doping some others have enjoyed. Really, we should be up there consistently, not necessarily winning titles, but having a real say, yet we aren’t, and rarely have. Mismanagement.

  • 52 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:33 AM


    I answered that point @30, as I said, yes other clubs will be striving to get in the top 6/8, and they will hope to be better than what they currently are, but not all will succeed, you will always get winners and losers, but what we should do is look at what we could achieve and go for it, being failures in the past doesn’t mean we should accept being failures without trying to be winners now, and sadly that is what you (perhaps unintentionally) are accepting and also telling us that we should accept the same, quite simply, that is just wrong m8.

    No club has a right to finish above any other club, but no club has a right to expect it’s fans to finish below any other club either, every club has as much right to win the Premier league title as any other club, however due to the financial demands of football, some clubs cannot do that, whereas other clubs won’t try, what frustrates us is that we are in the later group, we won’t try, and that hurts us, we have made operating profits for the last 3/4 years or so, in 5 years we have made a £45m profit in the transfer market, is that really good enough, where and how do we improve on the playing side.

  • 53 Himanshu Dhingra // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Best Thing Ashley did was

    Sell Milner,

    keegan lined up Schwinestiger, at 30K a week. Ashley snubbed him and got us

    Xisco and Gonzalez.

  • 54 mag // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    It’s the fans that are respected by other clubs not the achievement of the club which is rapidly becoming a national joke under Ashleys ownership and Plonkers management.

  • 55 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM


    Everton, Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have been very well run for a long long time. City and Chelski are super-rich and Liverpool are a massive club. All of those clubs are as big or bigger than NUFC. So which 2 of those clubs do you think we should be nailed on to finish above every season?

    Like I say, clubs like Leeds, Villa, Forest, Wednesday and even Sunderland could say that if there had been better decisions with their club then they would be where we are now or better. What do you think those clubs would give for a solid top 10 PL finish?

    Mismanagement like KK abolishing the reserve team, FFS accumulating debt, no owner focussing on youth until recently, marque signings costing too much, SBR being sacked and yes stupid mistakes from the current owner like KK, JFK etc. I bet any club could point to things like that and say “IF”.

  • 56 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:40 AM


    Like I said before, profit in the transfer market is only a very simple way of showing things. I could produce spurious stats to prove anything I want but you have to look at the bigger picture to understand the truth. You saw my calculation on transfer fees?

    Saying “if” or “we should” just promotes negativity. The fact is that we have the framework to be a top PL club for sure but there can only be 6 top 6 clubs and 4 top 4 clubs for obvious reasons…so for us to get into those spots, we need to finish above some very good and big clubs too.

    There are several big clubs that would give a lot to be in our position.

  • 57 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM


    of course there are other bills, but there is also other income, but that applies to all clubs and not just us, Soton, West Ham, Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland, every club in the land have the same bills and expenses as us, we aren’t alone, really, we can’t use other bills as an excuse, especially when you consider that we are currently making an operating profit, so the reality is that our “other bills” is a lot better than almost every other club, so that should be used to strengthen my view rather than your own !

    As for the Carroll section of your post, what happens to advertising income, season ticket revenue, league prise money, tv income, you are portraying it as if player sales is the only income we have, as I have already pointed out, transfer dealings do not come under operating costs, but wages do, so without transfer dealings we are still making a profit.

  • 58 mag // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Mismanagement like Keegan making a second division threatened with relegation to the third division, into the famous entertainers and the second best team in the Premier league. I would definitely take keegans alleged mismanagement over the garbage on offer at Newcastle United, nowadays.

  • 59 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Top six CLUB over the course of the 20 years, undone by poor management, for the 3rd time. The crowds, the facilities, the players are not ifs either, nor are the litany of rotten management decisions, some of which you yourself have mentioned. And please stop placing us with Leeds, Villa, Forest, Wednesday and Sunderland. With the exception of perhaps Villa, we have clearly been bigger than those clubs in terms of fan base and infrastructure and players.

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM


    Why are you being so stubborn? Or are you just poor at maths?

    Look back at my Carroll example and clearly that assumes nothing else has changed. Even if nothing else does change, signing those 3 players (seemingly only £15M) requires an additional £10M revenue over the next 5 years from somewhere. It doesn’t matter where.

    Money is money, it doesn’t really matter what part of the club it’s spend on as long as it’s spent wisely. A player getting a £40kpw pay-rise is £2M a year and that money has to come from somewhere. The higher the costs (including wage bill), the less money available for transfers.

    I wish people would stop being wanabee accountants and criticising the club using their really poor knowledge on accounts.

  • 61 billy // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    TDS talks bollox

  • 62 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM


    I agree with you when saying we have the framework to be a top PL club, that is the whole point of my debate, we have the framework but Ashley is not making any attempt to utilise it, yes with City, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs that is 6 clubs, 7 if we joined them who would quite rightly say that top 4 should be their target, naturally some will lose out, but if you have the framework to compete, then that is what you should do, sadly we don’t, and that is what is so hurtful.

  • 63 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM


    You clearly have no idea how to make a point. You’re changing one HUGE fact and making an assumption that we would be a top 6 club. That’s completely irrelevant! It’s like saying that if Sunderland had been bought by a billionaire or if Leeds hadn’t been relegated then they would be there too.

    Every club can point to bad decisions, you’re just blinkered.

    You carry on with your pointless argument then…

  • 64 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    The question is, under this regime, are we giving ourselves the best opportunity to compete? Are we pushing ourselves as best we can? Or is the policies and structures holding us back which Ashley has set. I’d say Ashley is holding us back through his ridiculous appointments, decisions and greed. This is hurting the club and stopping us from progressing.

    Are we really pushing our finances as best we can and building a squad that would merit the income we as a club bring in? Why are we not spending what we can afford and constantly relying on gambles to the future of this football club year after year with an ill equipped squad.

    My take is Ashley has stagnated us. There is no doubt in my mind that with the income we generate and how much we have made from outgoing transfers we CAN push for top 8. Not to mention the savings in wages over the last however many years and TV money.

    The reason we arn’t is Ashley alone. It’s his structures, his policies, his greed and lack of ambition.

    He has this club sitting mid-table when in my view we have had the resources to push on this past few years if he made the right decisions throughout the club.

    It has to come to an end, he is driving the excitment out of following the Toon.

    No way could I stomach another seven years of this.

    Handful of managers.
    Court cases
    Board resignations
    No ambition
    Poor squad depth and lack of quality
    Desperate loan signings
    No planning
    Shocking PR making us a laughing stock

    The list is endless with very little good.

  • 65 guvnor // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    King Keegan was defo the best manager at the club since Joe Harvey. Keegans teams were magic other sides were terrified to play up here fergie said beating keegans side to the title was his hardest job in football.

  • 66 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM


    You’re missing out Everton who have consistently been in the top 10 over the last decade.

    We still have a hell of a lot to do to catch those 6 you listed.

    And how did they get to consistent top 6 clubs? Stability over decades. Going back to 2000/1, Spurs finished 12th, 9th, 10th, 14th, 9th, 5th, 5th, 11th, 8th, 4th, 5th, 4th and 5th.

    Yes, if people in charge of our club had made better decisions, we’d be in a better place, you could say:
    – if KK hadn’t bottled it and we’d won the league
    – if Dalglish hadn’t sold Ferdinand
    – if SJH hadn’t let FFS take over the club
    – if Halls and Shepherds hadn’t sold to Ashley
    – if Ashley hadn’t made bad managerial choices

    Too many ifs…

    I’m sure Leeds, Villa and other supporters could come up with a lot of ifs too. I’m sure Liverpool supporters could say if and point to not winning the league, Arsenal supporters could say if they had signed more they would have won a trophy in the last 8 years etc.


  • 67 guvnor // Mar 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Toondarnsarf you do narf talk pure bollox pal.

  • 68 Mister Tuff // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Spurious stats————– please NO.
    It’s bad enough having to put up with spurious opinions.

  • 69 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    I’m saying the club has had all the resources to be among the top 6 and has misused them and so aren’t. That’s all I’ve said, and consistently said it. And how is poor management irrelevant, or anything other than entirely relevant.

  • 70 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM


    lets not start with insults as it has been a good constructive debate, the point is, we are making profits from operating costs and transfers, now for arguments sake lets assume we spend £35/40m on 4 or 5 players this summer, would we if everything stays the same make another £9m operating profit next year, of course we wouldn’t, wages alone would take that profit away, but at the same time without any guarantees you would hope to be more competive on the pitch which could bring in extra revenue, this is all hyperthetical, but based solely on our current financial situation, I really do feel that we could be doing a bit more than what we currently are, without breaking the bank, I don’t mean do a Leeds but we are hardly in a position to do that, I just want Ashley to capitalise on the finances which he has created for us, loosen the purse strings just a touch, that’s all were asking for.

  • 71 ayecanny // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Of this subject, anyone getting bored of buying players from aboard.. This summer I’d enjoy it we got the likes of R. Morrison, T.ince, maybe Zaha on loan, maybe ings? and a couple of young english defenders.. Spend twenty million and see how they cope.. They will jump up in prize mainly due to them playing for newcastle and being english.. I would much rather go and see them then some of the lads playing for us today.. Might just be the build up to the world cup but to be a team like southampton with all these english youngens we’d be well talked about and liked.. Rather then that french team up north..

    What yous think…..

  • 72 guvnor // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    The top and bottom of it is Ashley doesn’t have any football ambition for Newcastle that’s how come pardew is still in charge of the team and we all know the geezer is totally useless end of story.

  • 73 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM


    And I’m saying that your point could be applied to Everton, Villa, Sunderland, Leeds and others.

  • 74 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Not so, we have had greater resources than those clubs, that’s the essential difference.

  • 75 70TWO // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM


    To answer your earlier question; I would hope the team don’t go on another poor run and drop 9 points to Villa and Stoke as well as their annual bonus. The point I was making referred to the hope of Europe which I was still semi hopeful of achieving prior to the Fulham game. In order to achieve 6th Everton would now have to drop their points tally from 1.8 per match to 1.5 and we would have to raise ours from 1.5 to 2.5. Highly unlikely especially after the away performance at the leagues worst team.

    I am looking for those in charge to set next seasons target of at least equaling a top half finish and a bonus to be paid only on reaching the quater finals of both Cups. In order to achieve this the squad will need to be used more fully and hence a more pronounced playing philosophy utilised. Plus a new CEO would relieve some of the burden of setting and realising the clubs future ambitions from Pardews shoulders (and stop his arrogance growing any larger).

  • 76 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM



    No doubt I want to see him spending some money this summer and there should be some money available and some budget available in the wage bill too. I think we’d all be very disappointed if there isn’t significant investment.

  • 77 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM


    yes we still have a way to go to catch those clubs, but this debate has now gone full circle as I pointed out earlier we will never catch them as they reinvest to a much higher degree than what we do ?

    Here is the table which shows it.

  • 78 Ibizatoon // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    TDSarf…Surely we cannot just remove anything that starts with “if” from this type of discussion?

    Without the ifs, we’re just left with what has actually happened and at that point have to simply accept things as they are without any room for any other possibilities (or ifs).

    That is the whole basis of this discussion…what if. Some will be unreasonable ifs, some will be perfectly reasonable.

    I think most accept where we were and the obstacles, as a club, we’ve had to deal with.

    The main question is, if better managed, could we be further along than we are now?

    Of course the answer will be yes, I’m sure that applies to most clubs, in fact almost everything in life.

    I think the main question for me is why aren’t we managed better, is it by design, luck (or lack thereof) or incompetence?

    My feeling is that there is no need to do things any differently as there is no real ambition to do any better. The boxes have been ticked, backs have been patted and on we roll.

    That is not fulfilling or attempting to fulfill the clubs potential, it’s coasting.

  • 79 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM


    you did question my maths in a non complimentary way @58, but no harm done, no offence taken, might just be me being a bit to touchy !

  • 80 guvnor // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    How much money does one geezer need old Ashley is worth 3.3 billion quid he could easily throw some of it at Newcastle for christ sake but he won’t and the lemons like darnsarf start defending the geezer crazy or what.

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM


    How do you work that out? Those are all big clubs.

    And if you are basing it purely on having bigger resources, then so have City, Chelski, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs. You can’t use one argument to prove a point and then dismiss it when it disproves your point.

    If it’s based on resources, then we’re 8th and we’ve rarely been in the top 4, if it’s based on size of club then there are several others who deserve it as much as we do.

  • 82 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM


    They reinvest more because they generate more money because they’ve consistently finished in the top places and that means they get more commercial revenue, including from sponsors.

    And as I said, there are different types of investment, that just shows transfer fees.

    It’s massively complicated to look at accounts and really assess the investment. Like looking at outsourcing and trying to compare commercial revenue for one club and another. You’d need to look at wage bills, agent fees, bonuses and transfer fees to look at the total amount spend each year on players.

  • 83 guvnor // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Darnsarf you don’t have to get yourself in a two and eight its not your money the clubs going to the dogs under tight wad and his buddy pards.

  • 84 Belfast // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Bored shitless of this Pardew story.

    Time to move on.

  • 85 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    The argument is not based purely on now but over the last twenty years and it really is a story of wasted opportunity. It’s not just a question of here and now but also how we got here. If we were simply talking now, I wouldn’t be objecting. You’re right we’ve been left sadly behind by clubs that are genuinely bigger than us and one perhaps two that aren’t.

  • 86 Rotonda heights // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM


    So true. Anyone with any ambition would not employ the likes of JFK and Pardew and keep sending us up as a total joke club.

    We’re totally trapped and mired in mediocrity for the forseeable. No one will meet greedy Ashley’s price and 50000 will still turn up regardless.

  • 87 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM


    sorry m8 but that is wrong, other non transfer investments or income come under the operating umbrella, we are making an operating profit, are these other clubs doing likewise, so to say that they reinvest more on players than us due to other income is as wrong as you could possibly get, yes they may, actually they do get more prize money from the premier league as they finish above us, but putting all the incoming and outgoings together then we are a lot better off than most of them.

    It is not complicated to understand the finances when we are only told the end results, which are an operating profit, with huge profits also being made from transfers, going through the accounts from a tax inspectors point of view, then yes it is a nightmare, but being told how much profit or loss there is is not difficult to understand.

    We do not need to know agent fees, wages, vat, sponsor income, the accountants and the orthorities need to look at that, all we need to know is the end result, which is a profit, in all honesty it couldn’t really be any easier.

  • 88 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM


    Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool are just bigger clubs than us, City and Chelski are where they are due to massive investment. So I would say that fans of all those 5 clubs will expect to finish above the likes of Newcastle. Everton, Spurs, Villa and us are probably the next 4 biggest PL clubs and only Spurs have got some distance on us.

    Sure, we could be going through a purple patch now if there had been better decisions and we could be in the CL, but really there are at least 5 clubs that are extremely difficult to finish above. Spurs have been trying for years and I think they only managed the CL once?

  • 89 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    This club can do alot better than mid-table year after year and needing a massive slice of luck to win a trophy.

    My point is we are not progressing under this regime and I cannot see any will to do so. They do not learn from mistakes.

    There is only a will to make money, the progression of the footballing side is non-existent. Massively because we keep on losing our better players without replacements lined up. Gamble after gamble.

    Ridiculous way to run a football club and shocking for any football fan to bare.

  • 90 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM


    Are you suggesting that commercial revenue can’t be re-invested in the playing squad?? I’m not talking about how this is presented in the accounts!

    So we’ve made profits…are you saying you’d only be happy if we had made losses??

  • 91 Graeme // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Toon Prodigy @ 61, Most, would of course of course assume that our Owner actually WANTS to improve, to challenge for the top 6. On the evidense of his tenure so far, nothing would seem to be further from the truth.
    He seems more than happy to stay as a mid-table outfit, picking up the tv money, the profit from a good player being sold – NO major injection of funds, in fact running the club on a shoestring.

    Simply advertise his Primary Business, at the expense of NUFC, rake in what he can, then maybe bale out when he thinks he’s made enough!! What a shambles.

  • 92 mindshaft // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    He might settle but do we want to pay 8 million on the off chance?

  • 93 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    tell me when he has naffed off

  • 94 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    TDS @85

    Although I feel if we were managed correctly we would make that a big 6 rather than the 5 which it currently is, I totally agree with what you have said there, the problem I have is that when it comes to the second group which you class us as being in, once again I do agree with you, I am fearful that if we leave that group it is more likely to be the third group which we join rather than the first group, which is really the whole point of the debate, we do not have a god given right to demand top 4 football, but we do believe that we should be looking at those ahead of us rather than those behind us, and due to our top 10 target without any cup runs as they don’t make money which was set at the seasons start, then we will always be looking at those behind rather than those in front as any desire to improve is not on the agenda, this is why there is so much angst towards Mike Ashley, any hope has gone, where we are is as good as it will ever be under him, unless a fluke season happens.

    Why was Cabaye sold, could it be a case of the club believing that top 6 and the stresses of the Europa could happen again, selling your most prized asset for a paltry £19m all but ended a top 6 hope, mid table money making obscurity is all we have to look forward too under him.

  • 95 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    These days teams are declared “big” by how many trophies they win and how much money their owners have .

    Having die hard fans, great history, legendary players and an amazing stadium slap bang in the middle of Newcastle just doesn’t seem to cut it anymore :( .

  • 96 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM


    It’s heartbreaking.

    Dreading every transfer window, waiting for the same old spin coming out of the club. We tried, but we couldn’t. We won’t be panicked into signing players. It’s too difficult to sign players in January. Or the best one recruit Joe Kinnear!

    What a load of nonsence.

    How much have we really actually progressed on the field in the past 7 years? Our scouting of players has been OK but when have we actually built on it?

    Our team is no better off, the football is no better off. The players have changed but our league standings are no better off. We just keep on losing players who have did a good job and then start over again.

    There is no actual progression on the park for me. The only thing that is better is the books, but we don’t spend to progress or build around top players we have. We sell them for more money.

    Then we don’t spend the money until a bargain catches Mike’s eye.

    What a shambles, your right.

  • 97 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM


    of course it can be invested in the playing side, I’ve never suggested that it couldn’t, what I was doing is saying that your wrong when you claimed that other clubs invest in players due to having a stronger commercial income than us, that is wrong as we are making profits and they aren’t.

    No I am not saying I would only be happy if we were making losses, in all honestly, if Ashley was making a £100m profit per year from us, I wouldn’t be bothered in the least provided we were competing on the the pitch, what I do mind is Ashley making huge profits when we are not competing on the pitch, what would you prefer.

  • 98 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM


    Every single club in the PL prioritises league position over cup success until they get into the latter stages. There are plenty of quotes from owners and managers to back that up and just look at the teams that have been put out. The only time you’ll see a stronger cup team than league team is when the club is safe, not challenging for Europe and it’s the quarter finals or later of a cup. Slagging our club off for that is unfair, the issue has been caused by the amount of money in the PL.

    As for Europa League, again look at the teams that PL clubs put out and look at the performances of Swansea and Spurs this year compared to what was predicted. It’s good for fans to watch it but not really good for the club unless you already have a squad big enough to cope with European football (i.e. a CL club who fails to qualify for the CL).

    As for selling Cabaye…I think that’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory and makes a mockery of the true problem. I cannot believe that anyone involved with professional sport would stand for that. Why would Pardew, the coaches, the players bother performing for the club if they did something like that. No chance. And imagine if Cabaye, PSG, an agent or someone else came out and made that public? Nah, it’s ridiculous. The true mistakes are firstly that the club agreed Cabaye could leave for a CL club if they met his asking price in January (rather than next summer) and secondly that they didn’t replace him.

  • 99 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM


    Huge profits? Please can you explain what you mean. Do you know our profit/loss figures for the last 5 years?

  • 100 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM


    we have all seen the operating profits and the transfer profits, and those operating profits were for last year, so they do not include the new tv deal, he is earning a lot of cash from us, if he wasn’t then he would sell up, but he has though Llambias last summer made it clear that selling is not high on his list, common sense m8, if he wasn’t earning he would want rid on the club, would you not agree ?

  • 101 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    still here dear me off to bed i go

  • 102 Sazzer // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    The last two windows we didn’t even buy players from France.

    For me it doesn’t matter from where a player is from as long that it’s a great player. I would prefer a English player if all else being equal though.

    We are going to play against Ince and Zaha this season so let see how they do.

  • 103 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:17 PM


    Wrong again. He isn’t earning a huge amount of cash from us. He hasn’t taken a salary (unlike our previous owners), he hasn’t sold the club for a massive profit (unlike our previous owners) and he hasn’t charged the club interest on loans (unlike our previous owners). You can see the fact that he only took back part of the recent interest free loan that he provided.

    We haven’t got the money from the new TV deal either.

    And here are the figures I just found:
    Ashley era Pre Ashley

    2007/08 -£20.3m 06/07 -£32.8m

    2008/09 -£15.7m 05/06 -£12m

    2009/10 -£17.1m 04/05 +£0.1m

    2010/11 +£32.6m 03/04 +£4.2m

    2011/12 +£1.3m 02/03 +£4.4m

    Total -£19.2m Total -£36.1m

    Huge profits…yeah…even with the £9M or so that I think we made last season, that’s still -£10M.

  • 104 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    I’m bored with dealing with the accounts to shoot down incorrect arguments…

    How about people just stick to the football and issues going on there, like:
    – what is the status with the academy?
    – why wasn’t Cabaye replaced and when will he be?
    – are any of our youngsters genuinely good enough?
    – what are we going to do with our lack of strikers this summer?
    – how many fringe/squad players are going to leave?
    – how much are we really going to spend this summer?

  • 105 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    snore snore

  • 106 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:21 PM


  • 107 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Has TeDeioS managed to convince everybody we’re sh!t, deserve to be sh!t and always will be sh!t yet ?

  • 108 dufuss // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:29 PM


  • 109 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    We don’t have to be in the top 6 to be a great club! We don’t have to be in the top 6 to enjoy supporting our club!

    This season is a lot better than last season, though with some negatives of course. I’m an optimist though.

  • 110 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM


    The only thing im convinced with is we are a mediocre team and have a medicore league position because we are ran by a sh!t owner.

    Nothing else.

    We could be challenging for top 8 and are capable given the right decisions being made from the top.

    The problem is poor ownership, shocking decisions over the past 7 years and a massive lack of ambition for me.

    the sheer fact of hoping we win a trophy through pure luck because of the way we are ran is a disgrace all on it’s own.

  • 111 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM


    those losses were early in his days, now I can tell that you are quite intelligent, as a result you will know that those early losses but have been used to reduce the taxable income from Sports Direct’s profit’s, so those losses would not have been as severe as they seem on paper, you will know that, but don’t forget, those figures are operating profits ( or losses) put the £49m transfer profit into that and you have a different picture altogether, but it is all about now, at present we are making profits so why not spend them, its a simple question, his total outlay (not including the initial purchase, which is a valuable asset) is in the black so why not spend it.

    Another thing, this is a question which I have asked many times and as yet I have never had a plausible answer, how does this interest free loan work, Newcastle United are owned by Mike Ashley, so how can anyone be praised for not charging interest on a loan which they gave to their own business, so what does he do, charge himself £10m interest and take it from his left pocket and put it into his right pocket, he can take a loan from a bank, but if he done that he would pay the interest, he hasn’t saved us from paying the interest, he has saved himself as the less profitable/valuable the club are the less profitable/valuable he is, interest free loan, what a load of nonsense.

  • 112 Mister Tuff // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    quote from Albert Einstein :-
    “I’d rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right.”

  • 113 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    No matter what people suggest to your list of questions, you will peel off a list of agonisingly painful posts to try and suggest that their opinion is wrong.

  • 114 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    TDS @104

    I agree with you there, lets draw a line under it, but thank you, it was a good debate.

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    Going out of a cup early is not the end of the world, it’s happened before and will happen again, knowing the people in charge are happy with it is heart breaking.

  • 116 Sazzer // Mar 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    Top Ten – Money spent on squads since 1992:
    1.Chelsea £951,099,000
    2.Man City £806,380,000
    3.Man U £613,850,000
    4.Liverpool £650,305,000
    5.Totteham £577,250,000
    6.Arsenal £435,965,000
    7.Newcastle £373,845,000
    8.Aston Villa £349,390,000
    9.Sunderland £287,745,000
    10.Everton £266,745,500

    No team have made a profit.
    Selling clubs table:
    4.Man U

  • 117 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM


    Going out of a cup early happens aye, I can live with that.

    I can’t live with them not being a priority as it’s our only hope of a trophy.

    What a pickle we find ourselves in.

  • 118 Sazzer // Mar 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    No profits in regards to transfers.

  • 119 Spoof // Mar 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM


    that’s from 22 years ago, its hardly relevant now

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