In looking at the report from the FA commission that looked into Alan Pardew’s improper conduct charge – after he had headbutted Hull City player Davide Meyler imposed a sizable ban because the incident was seen by millions and millions of TV viewers around the world and after all Alan Pardew is a very experienced manager at a high-profile and well respected club.
David Meyler and Alan Pardew confront each other
This is more of what the commission said yesterday:
“Bluntly, Mr Pardew had little option but to admit the charge and to apologize accordingly. Mr Pardew is a high-profile and very experienced manager at a high-profile and well-respected club in a high-profile league and where matches are watched worldwide.”
“This is, on any view, a serious incident which has to be sanctioned accordingly, but at the same time proportionately.”
And it was revealed that the club’s professional and rapid response to Pardew’s stupidity, on the night of the incident, also reduced the severity of his punishment.
Newcastle United issued a stern statement that gave Pardew a formal warning, warned him as to his future conduct, and fined him £100,000, and seemed to be well received by the three-man commission.
The manager’s own response, where he immediately admitted he had been stupid, had apologized to everybody concerned, and had sent a letter of apology to Hull City Manager Steve Bruce, also helped the Newcastle manager.
As long as it doesn’t happen again we think Pardew will be OK from now on …….. maybe.
For the record Alan has been a manager since late 1999, and he’s managed at Reading, West Ham, Charlton, Southampton and Newcastle.
The Londoner has managed for a total of 676 games – 153 at Newcastle – with an overall win percentage of 42.75 – 38.56 at Newcastle.
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119 comments so far
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Comment #81jimmysmith
How do you work that out? Those are all big clubs.
And if you are basing it purely on having bigger resources, then so have City, Chelski, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs. You can’t use one argument to prove a point and then dismiss it when it disproves your point.
If it’s based on resources, then we’re 8th and we’ve rarely been in the top 4, if it’s based on size of club then there are several others who deserve it as much as we do.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Comment #82Spoof
They reinvest more because they generate more money because they’ve consistently finished in the top places and that means they get more commercial revenue, including from sponsors.
And as I said, there are different types of investment, that just shows transfer fees.
It’s massively complicated to look at accounts and really assess the investment. Like looking at outsourcing and trying to compare commercial revenue for one club and another. You’d need to look at wage bills, agent fees, bonuses and transfer fees to look at the total amount spend each year on players.
guvnor
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM
Comment #83Darnsarf you don’t have to get yourself in a two and eight its not your money the clubs going to the dogs under tight wad and his buddy pards.
Belfast
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM
Comment #84Bored shitless of this Pardew story.
Time to move on.
jimmysmith
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM
Comment #85The argument is not based purely on now but over the last twenty years and it really is a story of wasted opportunity. It’s not just a question of here and now but also how we got here. If we were simply talking now, I wouldn’t be objecting. You’re right we’ve been left sadly behind by clubs that are genuinely bigger than us and one perhaps two that aren’t.
Rotonda heights
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Comment #86Guvnor
So true. Anyone with any ambition would not employ the likes of JFK and Pardew and keep sending us up as a total joke club.
We’re totally trapped and mired in mediocrity for the forseeable. No one will meet greedy Ashley’s price and 50000 will still turn up regardless.
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM
Comment #87TDS
sorry m8 but that is wrong, other non transfer investments or income come under the operating umbrella, we are making an operating profit, are these other clubs doing likewise, so to say that they reinvest more on players than us due to other income is as wrong as you could possibly get, yes they may, actually they do get more prize money from the premier league as they finish above us, but putting all the incoming and outgoings together then we are a lot better off than most of them.
It is not complicated to understand the finances when we are only told the end results, which are an operating profit, with huge profits also being made from transfers, going through the accounts from a tax inspectors point of view, then yes it is a nightmare, but being told how much profit or loss there is is not difficult to understand.
We do not need to know agent fees, wages, vat, sponsor income, the accountants and the orthorities need to look at that, all we need to know is the end result, which is a profit, in all honesty it couldn’t really be any easier.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Comment #88jimmysmith
Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool are just bigger clubs than us, City and Chelski are where they are due to massive investment. So I would say that fans of all those 5 clubs will expect to finish above the likes of Newcastle. Everton, Spurs, Villa and us are probably the next 4 biggest PL clubs and only Spurs have got some distance on us.
Sure, we could be going through a purple patch now if there had been better decisions and we could be in the CL, but really there are at least 5 clubs that are extremely difficult to finish above. Spurs have been trying for years and I think they only managed the CL once?
Toon-Prodigy
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Comment #89This club can do alot better than mid-table year after year and needing a massive slice of luck to win a trophy.
My point is we are not progressing under this regime and I cannot see any will to do so. They do not learn from mistakes.
There is only a will to make money, the progression of the footballing side is non-existent. Massively because we keep on losing our better players without replacements lined up. Gamble after gamble.
Ridiculous way to run a football club and shocking for any football fan to bare.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM
Comment #90Spoof
Are you suggesting that commercial revenue can’t be re-invested in the playing squad?? I’m not talking about how this is presented in the accounts!
So we’ve made profits…are you saying you’d only be happy if we had made losses??
Graeme
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Comment #91Toon Prodigy @ 61, Most, would of course of course assume that our Owner actually WANTS to improve, to challenge for the top 6. On the evidense of his tenure so far, nothing would seem to be further from the truth.
He seems more than happy to stay as a mid-table outfit, picking up the tv money, the profit from a good player being sold – NO major injection of funds, in fact running the club on a shoestring.
Simply advertise his Primary Business, at the expense of NUFC, rake in what he can, then maybe bale out when he thinks he’s made enough!! What a shambles.
mindshaft
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM
Comment #92He might settle but do we want to pay 8 million on the off chance?
dufuss
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Comment #93tell me when he has naffed off
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Comment #94TDS @85
Although I feel if we were managed correctly we would make that a big 6 rather than the 5 which it currently is, I totally agree with what you have said there, the problem I have is that when it comes to the second group which you class us as being in, once again I do agree with you, I am fearful that if we leave that group it is more likely to be the third group which we join rather than the first group, which is really the whole point of the debate, we do not have a god given right to demand top 4 football, but we do believe that we should be looking at those ahead of us rather than those behind us, and due to our top 10 target without any cup runs as they don’t make money which was set at the seasons start, then we will always be looking at those behind rather than those in front as any desire to improve is not on the agenda, this is why there is so much angst towards Mike Ashley, any hope has gone, where we are is as good as it will ever be under him, unless a fluke season happens.
Why was Cabaye sold, could it be a case of the club believing that top 6 and the stresses of the Europa could happen again, selling your most prized asset for a paltry £19m all but ended a top 6 hope, mid table money making obscurity is all we have to look forward too under him.
Big Pappa Cissé
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM
Comment #95These days teams are declared “big” by how many trophies they win and how much money their owners have .
Having die hard fans, great history, legendary players and an amazing stadium slap bang in the middle of Newcastle just doesn’t seem to cut it anymore 🙁 .
Toon-Prodigy
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM
Comment #96Graeme,
It’s heartbreaking.
Dreading every transfer window, waiting for the same old spin coming out of the club. We tried, but we couldn’t. We won’t be panicked into signing players. It’s too difficult to sign players in January. Or the best one recruit Joe Kinnear!
What a load of nonsence.
How much have we really actually progressed on the field in the past 7 years? Our scouting of players has been OK but when have we actually built on it?
Our team is no better off, the football is no better off. The players have changed but our league standings are no better off. We just keep on losing players who have did a good job and then start over again.
There is no actual progression on the park for me. The only thing that is better is the books, but we don’t spend to progress or build around top players we have. We sell them for more money.
Then we don’t spend the money until a bargain catches Mike’s eye.
What a shambles, your right.
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM
Comment #97TDS
of course it can be invested in the playing side, I’ve never suggested that it couldn’t, what I was doing is saying that your wrong when you claimed that other clubs invest in players due to having a stronger commercial income than us, that is wrong as we are making profits and they aren’t.
No I am not saying I would only be happy if we were making losses, in all honestly, if Ashley was making a £100m profit per year from us, I wouldn’t be bothered in the least provided we were competing on the the pitch, what I do mind is Ashley making huge profits when we are not competing on the pitch, what would you prefer.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM
Comment #98Spoof
Every single club in the PL prioritises league position over cup success until they get into the latter stages. There are plenty of quotes from owners and managers to back that up and just look at the teams that have been put out. The only time you’ll see a stronger cup team than league team is when the club is safe, not challenging for Europe and it’s the quarter finals or later of a cup. Slagging our club off for that is unfair, the issue has been caused by the amount of money in the PL.
As for Europa League, again look at the teams that PL clubs put out and look at the performances of Swansea and Spurs this year compared to what was predicted. It’s good for fans to watch it but not really good for the club unless you already have a squad big enough to cope with European football (i.e. a CL club who fails to qualify for the CL).
As for selling Cabaye…I think that’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory and makes a mockery of the true problem. I cannot believe that anyone involved with professional sport would stand for that. Why would Pardew, the coaches, the players bother performing for the club if they did something like that. No chance. And imagine if Cabaye, PSG, an agent or someone else came out and made that public? Nah, it’s ridiculous. The true mistakes are firstly that the club agreed Cabaye could leave for a CL club if they met his asking price in January (rather than next summer) and secondly that they didn’t replace him.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM
Comment #99Spoof
Huge profits? Please can you explain what you mean. Do you know our profit/loss figures for the last 5 years?
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM
Comment #100TDS
we have all seen the operating profits and the transfer profits, and those operating profits were for last year, so they do not include the new tv deal, he is earning a lot of cash from us, if he wasn’t then he would sell up, but he has though Llambias last summer made it clear that selling is not high on his list, common sense m8, if he wasn’t earning he would want rid on the club, would you not agree ?
dufuss
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:13 PM
Comment #101still here dear me off to bed i go
Sazzer
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM
Comment #102ayecanny
The last two windows we didn’t even buy players from France.
For me it doesn’t matter from where a player is from as long that it’s a great player. I would prefer a English player if all else being equal though.
We are going to play against Ince and Zaha this season so let see how they do.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Comment #103Spoof
Wrong again. He isn’t earning a huge amount of cash from us. He hasn’t taken a salary (unlike our previous owners), he hasn’t sold the club for a massive profit (unlike our previous owners) and he hasn’t charged the club interest on loans (unlike our previous owners). You can see the fact that he only took back part of the recent interest free loan that he provided.
We haven’t got the money from the new TV deal either.
And here are the figures I just found:
Ashley era Pre Ashley
2007/08 -£20.3m 06/07 -£32.8m
2008/09 -£15.7m 05/06 -£12m
2009/10 -£17.1m 04/05 +£0.1m
2010/11 +£32.6m 03/04 +£4.2m
2011/12 +£1.3m 02/03 +£4.4m
Total -£19.2m Total -£36.1m
Huge profits…yeah…even with the £9M or so that I think we made last season, that’s still -£10M.
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM
Comment #104I’m bored with dealing with the accounts to shoot down incorrect arguments…
How about people just stick to the football and issues going on there, like:
– what is the status with the academy?
– why wasn’t Cabaye replaced and when will he be?
– are any of our youngsters genuinely good enough?
– what are we going to do with our lack of strikers this summer?
– how many fringe/squad players are going to leave?
– how much are we really going to spend this summer?
dufuss
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM
Comment #105snore snore
dufuss
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:21 PM
Comment #106ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jail for Ashley
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM
Comment #107Has TeDeioS managed to convince everybody we’re sh!t, deserve to be sh!t and always will be sh!t yet ?
dufuss
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Comment #108OUTSIDER LOOKING IN NO DIDLY SQUAT
ToonDarnSarf
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM
Comment #109Jail for Ashley
We don’t have to be in the top 6 to be a great club! We don’t have to be in the top 6 to enjoy supporting our club!
This season is a lot better than last season, though with some negatives of course. I’m an optimist though.
Toon-Prodigy
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM
Comment #110Jail,
The only thing im convinced with is we are a mediocre team and have a medicore league position because we are ran by a sh!t owner.
Nothing else.
We could be challenging for top 8 and are capable given the right decisions being made from the top.
The problem is poor ownership, shocking decisions over the past 7 years and a massive lack of ambition for me.
the sheer fact of hoping we win a trophy through pure luck because of the way we are ran is a disgrace all on it’s own.
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM
Comment #111TDS
those losses were early in his days, now I can tell that you are quite intelligent, as a result you will know that those early losses but have been used to reduce the taxable income from Sports Direct’s profit’s, so those losses would not have been as severe as they seem on paper, you will know that, but don’t forget, those figures are operating profits ( or losses) put the £49m transfer profit into that and you have a different picture altogether, but it is all about now, at present we are making profits so why not spend them, its a simple question, his total outlay (not including the initial purchase, which is a valuable asset) is in the black so why not spend it.
Another thing, this is a question which I have asked many times and as yet I have never had a plausible answer, how does this interest free loan work, Newcastle United are owned by Mike Ashley, so how can anyone be praised for not charging interest on a loan which they gave to their own business, so what does he do, charge himself £10m interest and take it from his left pocket and put it into his right pocket, he can take a loan from a bank, but if he done that he would pay the interest, he hasn’t saved us from paying the interest, he has saved himself as the less profitable/valuable the club are the less profitable/valuable he is, interest free loan, what a load of nonsense.
Mister Tuff
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM
Comment #112quote from Albert Einstein :-
“I’d rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right.”
Jail for Ashley
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM
Comment #113TDsarf,
No matter what people suggest to your list of questions, you will peel off a list of agonisingly painful posts to try and suggest that their opinion is wrong.
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM
Comment #114TDS @104
I agree with you there, lets draw a line under it, but thank you, it was a good debate.
Jail for Ashley
Mar 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM
Comment #115TP,
Going out of a cup early is not the end of the world, it’s happened before and will happen again, knowing the people in charge are happy with it is heart breaking.
Sazzer
Mar 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM
Comment #116Top Ten – Money spent on squads since 1992:
1.Chelsea £951,099,000
2.Man City £806,380,000
3.Man U £613,850,000
4.Liverpool £650,305,000
5.Totteham £577,250,000
6.Arsenal £435,965,000
7.Newcastle £373,845,000
8.Aston Villa £349,390,000
9.Sunderland £287,745,000
10.Everton £266,745,500
No team have made a profit.
Selling clubs table:
1.Totteham
2.Arsenal
3.Liverpool
4.Man U
5.Chelsea
6.Newcastle
7.Everton
Toon-Prodigy
Mar 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM
Comment #117Jail,
Going out of a cup early happens aye, I can live with that.
I can’t live with them not being a priority as it’s our only hope of a trophy.
What a pickle we find ourselves in.
Sazzer
Mar 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM
Comment #118No profits in regards to transfers.
Spoof
Mar 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Comment #119Sazzer
that’s from 22 years ago, its hardly relevant now