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Pardew Sacked If Shepherd In Charge – No Surprise There

10:17 am, Thursday, April 10th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 51 Comments

Freddy Shepherd has said in the Chronicle today that Alan Pardew would have been fired last season, if Shepherd had still been in charge,  and that should come as no surprise  to Newcastle fans.

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Recent photo of Freddy Shepherd

This is what Freddy Shepherd has said in the Chronicle today:

 “I think the Board at the time, not particularly me, with Sir John would have had him on his bike.” “Who knows the emotion he was going through?”

“I like the guy.”  “I’ve met him and in normal circumstances you’d certainly have a pint with the guy, he’s fine.” “I think he just lost it that day.”

“Would he have survived if he was at Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool as boss? I doubt it.”  “He’s got six years left on his contract and that must have been an influence.”

“But there will be a lot of clauses in there.”    “The guy has taken a lot of stick.” “The biggest thing is he will never be forgotten for it.”  “He will always be ‘the guy that headbutted that Hull player’.

“He’s got it for the rest of his life.”

Maybe there was good reason to fire Pardew after the Hull City debacle, but with the former regime, Pardew would have been gone last season after losing to Reading at home in January, and that was our 10th defeat in 13 league games – and Shepherd fired managers for much better records than that.

While Shepherd was the Newcastle Chairman from December 1997, through when Ashley bought the club in the summer of 2007, he sacked Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Sir Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness and Glenn Roeder in that order – with Robson lasting five years at Newcastle, and that was a lot longer than any  of the other four managers .

The other four all lasted 18 months or less.

One of the problems with Freddy Shepherd’s reign at Newcastle was that manager turnover, and it’s hard to build a team when managers are fired regularly – as Sunderland are now finding out.

Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit and Sir Bobby Robson were also fired early in the season, after they had brought in players in the previous summer transfer window, and the problem with that is the new manager may not rate those players.

That happened at Sunderland last year too.

Glenn Roeder was fired in May, 2007, but that was before Mike Ashley bought the club, and Freddy Shepherd has already appointed Sam Allardyce as the new manager.

To be fair to Shepherd, the sackings while he was Chairman, were brought about because of the club’s great ambitions in those days – which were to be in the Champions League every season.

But we have very little ambition these days under Mike Ashley – to be a top ten club in the PL seems so tame – at best – compared to the heady days when Bobby Robson and Kevin Keegan were managing the club.

And the fact that Alan Pardew now has another poor run going –  10 losses in the last 15 league games – seems more reason for Mike Ashley to bring in a new manager at the end of the season.

But that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen, although you can never predict what Mike Ashley is thinking, since he never  ever talks to the fans.

Comments welcome.



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51 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Ed im sure Gullit resigned mate didn’t he after losing the power struggle with Mr shearer and co.
    Catch 22…….do want exiting times and be in debt or be financially stable but have a poor squad ??

  • 2 Toon Tang // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Shepherd should buy the club back, sack pards for crimes against footy and then sell to someone who wants to win us something.

  • 3 Ancientcoptic // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    “I like the guy.” “I’ve met him and in normal circumstances you’d certainly have a pint with the guy, he’s fine.” “I think he just lost it that day.”

    I agree completely, I like Pardew, but he has taken us (or we have taken him) as far as he can go.

    I doubt anybody is perpetuating the myth that the club was badly run under Shepherd anymore. Clubs invest and run on debt all the time, especially more so the clubs that are fighting at the top of their respective leagues. Clubs that are in the game as a sport invest and show ambition.

    NUFC as a football club, isn’t really a spectator sport anymore; unless that is, you like reading the paper in the morning’s with a cup of coffee, and looking at the financials, because that is where the sport in NUFC is right now.

    After that statement from Charnley, I can no longer call myself a Newcastle fan… I will however remain a supporter, a supporter of the club that is, not the regime. I am no longer buying merchandise or putting money into the club, not until I know that money is being used to finance my club, not SD shares.

    Everyday that Ashley gets free advertising for SD, is another day that fans money is being taken out of club.

  • 4 mindshaft // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Stability isn’t all that its cracked up to be – Man City and Chelsea change managers at the drop of a hat and it hasn’t done them any harm – Wengers been at Arsenal 18 seasons and for the past 8 has been treading water – Pards has been here 4 seasons and can we really say that he’s done a decent job – one season of overachieving followed by relegation battle followed by mid table mediocrity and players and manager taking second half of season off

  • 5 mindshaft // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    jazzyp – the squad isn’t that poor, its more a case of Pards not knowing what to do with them

  • 6 Ancientcoptic // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Stability rarely works, it is only in special cases that you get a Wenger or a Ferguson… for every 2 managers like that, there has been 100s that clubs have backed, and were wrong to keep faith in.

    Look at what happened to Boro, they refused to get rid of Southgate, they thoughy the club was doing the admirable thing standing by their manager, believing this Alex Ferguson dreamland idea that loyalty brings success. Boro are still suffering in the championship, over that decision.

    Believing stability brings success is a figment of the imagination, a daydream. It is not based in any reality, logic or evidence. It is a complete faith based idea, with the odds stacked against it.

    The results and performances speak for themselves… the evidence is staring at us.

    While Mike Ashley is waiting for Pardew’s magical powers to take hold in his 4th, 5th or maybe 6th year, there are good managers out there that yield better football and results, and could probably deliver it within 5 games, not 5 years.

  • 7 Mister Tuff // Apr 10, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Somebody mentioned the other day that the team was like Frankenstein parts assembled together -and not functioning correctly. Good description -previously other have mentioned they are a bit like a jigsaw puzzle with some pieces missing. Both pretty accurate descriptors of the team. It’s as if no-one (currently) seems to have the ability to identify the missing pieces correctly. We need specialist players in designated roles – that they are comfortable playing in.
    Another point I am wondering if we’ll see Remy play again for the Toon- whether his injury may take longer to heal. Or indeed whether if he is back whether he’ll play against Arsenal – who will be desperate to get maximum points to try to get CL football. Remy would not be popular if he scores against them if it is true Arsenal are after him. So maybe he’ll be injured for the Arsenal game. Let’s face it his job at the Toon has already been accomplished.

  • 8 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Mindshaft
    Come on mate half the squad if not more need to be shown the door.
    Remy-Ldj-Gosling-Newton-Strolla are all gone come the summer.
    Marvs-Obershocker-Ferguson-Gutti-Saylor-Vuckic are not good enough and need to be cleared off the books.Then that leaves the so called purple squad which we could easily lose Debs-Colo-Mapou-Cisse-Santon and even Krull

  • 9 toon kk // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    I wish Freddy still owned the club, at least he wanted success.
    Difference MA wants money and nothing else.

  • 10 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Tuff
    Interesting fact that Remy has scored 13 goals this season and has been deemed a success. Yet Cisse scored the same amount last term and was deemed a failure…..Nothing like a fickled fan eh !!

  • 11 Rainrix // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    jazzyp…. Well remy does bring a lot more to the team than cisse when he’s not scoring but i still feel the majority are unduly harsh on cisse. Especially considering that if cisse wasn’t around last season we’d have gone down simple as, shola certainly wasn’t going to score those goals.

    Considering as well he’s being asked to lead the line in a team with practically zero creativity won’t help the lad, even remys two goals since cabaye left have been largely down to luck. I’d keep cisse around for another season and see what he can do when and if we get some creativity in our side. Thats if he even wants to stay.

  • 12 toon kk // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    There isn’t one club out there that wouldn’t have sacked Pards by now.
    There’s a couple of good reasons he’s still at Newcastle, Mash knows he is not backing him and a yes man as soft as Pards would be hard to find.

    Mash doesn’t look at how good we are he looks at how much he can save and make.

  • 13 Mark // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Pardew should be sacked regardless.
    Hopefully this business about Ashley buying more into Rangers is a sign of his leaving but I don’t want Shepherd back. We need fresh blood, top to bottom. I like the team we have, need a few more decent players: two strikers, winger, midfielder and defender.
    Would anyone take Laudrup? Quite like his style of play and perhaps a bigger club like Newcastle would give him that boost to push on and achieve better things (Martinez at Everton for example).

  • 14 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Rainrix
    Yeah fair point mate but next season will 3 seasons we have given Cisse to prove himself,But that could be said about Benny as well I suppose.

  • 15 Mister Tuff // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    jazzy – but how many starts have Cisse and Remy had -I cannot remember -but I think it is becoming quite apparent that unless Cisse gets good service -there is nothing much else in his game. He has looked slightly sharper in the last couple of games -but I would ask -would other clubs have given him so many chances to regain his scoring – probably not.

  • 16 wolfshead@toon // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    tuffers

    i wouldnt be surprised if remy is swinging the lead about his injury prob declare himself fit for the last game of the season and come on for the last 20 mins to show potential suitors he is fit and ready for a pre season tour and the same could apply to debuchy

  • 17 Slank // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Off Topic

    On my iPad the format of this blog is different to what it is on my laptop. Also on my iPad the latest topic from Ed is ‘Sadly – Nothing Much Will Change…’

    Does anyone else have this problems; and also how did they fix it?

    Cheers

  • 18 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Gullit did walk away and took no compo out of the club when shepherd indulged shearer over the manager, not for the first or last time, unlike some other colossal failures like dalgish and Souness.

    Has Lee Ryder grown a pair?

    ” Dressing room dust-ups throughout the season have been a constant theme too and it could be argued that Pardew can’t manage the egos in the dressing room.

    Sylvain Marveaux, Hatem Ben Arfa and Papiss Cisse have all had their difficulties.

    All three could have STILL made the difference in the second half of the season despite Cabaye’s departure and Loic Remy’s injury.

    However, they have been used sparingly and shabbily at times in my opinion.

    Ben Arfa is a special player and it’s obvious that he needs more emotional support than other players to get the best out of him.

    Marveaux simply wants to play games and has been left on the sidelines or at home far too often.

    And while Cisse has had chances and suffered a dip in form, the tactics have hardly been fitting for a poacher who needs service.

    So there you have it.

  • 19 Sav // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    What has it to do with Fat Fred and who gave him the right to pass comment? He had his days in the sun. He brought a fair amount of shame to the club from Arabgate to the sacking of SBR, signing Michael Owen and Kluivert, Ian Rush and John Barnes and a host of others. He also handsomely lined his pockets and those of his extended family and the Halls. Now its time to —- Off!.

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Mark

    agree entirely

  • 21 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    sav

    I couldn’t have put it better. Creeped around shearer too after calling him Mary Poppins

  • 22 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    Rotonda
    Benny has needed special treatment throughout his career mate wherever he has been.A sulking French brat springs to mind

  • 23 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    KK

    if shepherd was still here I dread to think where we’d be now especially after he syphoned off millions for him and his extended family and bought trophy players with money we didn’t have.

    Always played the geordie card when it suited him but never risked his own money and leeched off the club something chronic. Don’t think he went down too well with geordie women either!

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Jazzyp

    to be fair he did win 5 french league titles though

  • 25 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Rotonda
    yes mate he has won honours galore agreed.But he has had more up and downs than Boris Johnson’s y-fronts lol

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Not all managers are high maintenance. i still think we can do well without spending fortunes but you have to have a manager who can develop players.

    It’s all very well wanting to be the arsenal of the north but you need a top manager like a Wenger etc to bring that through.

    I see we’re linked with cabella again. What is the point getting another good technical player to be one of 10 players sat behind the ball for 70 mins every game.

    I’m sure all the players we are trashing now would look totally and utterly different under an attacking modern manager.

  • 27 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    when you go to another thread and leave this one open you see the headline pardew sacked. What a tease!!

  • 28 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    where is online guy and his dramatic news? he said by Thursday he’d let us know….!

  • 29 Mister Tuff // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    wolfshead – If I was Remy (or Debuchy) there is no way I would want to run the risk of getting injured -thus not going to the World Cup. Remy does pick up injuries – history reveals this. Newcastle have got nothing really to play for so why risk the world stage in order to play for us. Time will tell whether he is honourable in fulfilling his contract to the letter. So it may be Percy will tell us further revelations about “injuries” – if so it would confirm deceit by the club – in my mind.
    I think it’s a bit odd that we have not heard anything from the Toon about the Remy sighting in London with Arsenal reps.

  • 30 the truth will out // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    he is at work and moves in circles you would not believe

  • 31 yo-yo // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    If Freddy was in charge we’d probably have gone the same way as Portsmouth but without the FA Cup win.

  • 32 yo-yo // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Online was hinting at an ‘innerview’ with Mash so maybe he’s still sitting writing in the outer office waiting to gain access to the great man. Even if he waterboards him I doubt we’ll get anywhere near the truth.

  • 33 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    I wonder if Ldj not working out at the toon has scuppered any plans on the signature of his elder brother Siem.He will be available for around the 8 mill mark, And is a far better prospect than Ldj.

  • 34 mindshaft // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Excellent article on Diego Simeone http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26966304

    Athletico were near the bottom when he took over three seasons ago, they’ve barely spent any money but are now top of the league and in champions league semi finals – just shows what can happen with a good coach…

    Theres always hope!

  • 35 North Atlantic Magpie // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Pardew has lost the dressing room, so it’s time to go!

  • 36 Malta Mag // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    I can’t believe the crap that comes out of some people? May I remind you that Shephard left the club on the brink of bankruptcy and staring at the abyss! This man had ambition alright but the “live for today, f*** tomorrow” mentality almost ruined the club. Ashley for all his faults has put the club on a firm financial base, a one that no one beforehand managed to achieve. As for sacking Pardew, yes it may have been the right thing to do morally but Shephard’s a right one to talk about morals! Remember the hidden cameras and the replica shirt issue? Instead of having an opinion on current issues he should get back to his gardening and enjoy his affluent retirement

  • 37 catchy in norway // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    jazzyp

    when has HBA sulked with us???? never, he is a total pro,
    his treatment would give him a reason to act like a spoiled pratt, but I never hear stories coming from france or our own press,

    we had more trubble with Cabaye because he wasn’t sold in the summer than we we have had out off HBA

    check your facts mate

    HBA has one of the highest pass completion rates in our team
    in the last 3 years he is higher than cabaye also in the goals and assists per minute,

    our manager has bent over backwards to please BA and Cabaye at the expense of a lot of players and team spirit , where are them 2 now ?

    fantastic management

  • 38 guvnor // Apr 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Comeback Freddie at least you bought players and sacked managers!

  • 39 guvnor // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Ashley takes the fans for granted, pardews three years past his sell by date.

  • 40 Rotonda heights // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Disappointing I thought online guy actually had some good news.

  • 41 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Just remember lads, its all Ben Arfa’s fault .

  • 42 lesh // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Right Online, it’s Thursday in Australia so you can tell me your secret and I’ll promise not to tell anyone.

    ;)

  • 43 lesh // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    A PR idea that might appeal to Ashkey – sebd every season ticket holder and member a little gift to say thanks for supporting Newcastle United.

    I’m sure that a Sports Direct Mug would be Ashley’s idea of something appropriate!

  • 44 Graeme // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Rotunda, Lesh – Online said he will post today then he will post today. Patience is a virtue – we have no idea when his meeting is!!

  • 45 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Catchy
    Take a step back and engage your brain before you start typing.Where the hell did I say he had sulked with us ????
    If you want facts…..and we all know how you love em, Go through his record at every club and you will find that he has had many a fall out with players-staff and management.
    I never said anything about his ability or my thoughts on the lad apart from me saying he comes across as a sulking brat

  • 46 jazzyp // Apr 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Catchy
    As expected, Hatem Ben Arfa was dropped from yesterday’s starting line-up.

    Pardew and his most talented player have clearly had some sort of fall-out, and the Frenchman appeared to have another run-in with the coaching staff yesterday.

    After the third goal, John Carver seemed to berate the player for not defending
    Just fresh off the press just for you mate !
    Another fact that ya can put into your locker free of charge

  • 47 toon kk // Apr 10, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    One massive problem with our squad apart from it not being strong enough is our fitness levels over the last two seasons we’re playing a team not 100% match fit and it shows, then the injuries set in.

    Another problem most don’t want to play for the mad house NUFC.

  • 48 arpeco19 // Apr 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    What this club needs is an owner with real ambition who wants to open the eyes of this sleeping giant we call Newcastle United. We don’t want an ex chairman scrap dealer say I would of done this or that when all he was interested in was rip fans off (shirts) and call the women of the north east SLAGS. But feed us enough bull to keep us hoping that success was just round the corner. At least we knew where we stood with Sir John Hall. You knew he’d put money in, to get more out. He was a passionate Geordie with good business sense. The one thing that set him apart was AMBITION. Nothing more nothing less. That’s what this club sadly lacks at the moment. Although he’s not a billionaire, It’d be good to see someone like Graham Wylie take over, but, sadly he’s only interested in racehorses.

  • 49 isleofmanman // Apr 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    I’ve never had time for Shepherd. He’s no self-made man – thanks to his family’s scrap metal business.

    He has zero business acumen and was responsible for a plethora of hires and fires which tarnished NUFC’s name badly and guaranteed that top quality coaches and players would not want to be there

    I suggest also that this piss-poor management culture at NUFC put off a good may potential buyers from overseas

    He was content to be swept along by John Hall and between them they made a fortune out of their NUFC share holdings and subsequent purchases when we were a Plc. They awarded shareholders (primarily themselves) the biggest annual and interim dividends I’ve ever seen

    He was also content to lead negotiations for the sale of the club knowing that no due diligence had been conducted and that the naive Ashley would – sooner or later – look to recover his personal cash from hitherto undisclosed and unwelcome liabilities !!

    I agree with him about Pardew but for different reasons – none of which have anything to do with nutting a Hull City footballer

  • 50 Laurent Robert The Legend // Apr 11, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Shepherd to by d club..Van Gaal to Newcastle..

  • 51 Laurent Robert The Legend // Apr 11, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    buy*




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