The Changing Fortunes Of Newcastle And Liverpool


We watched the Liverpool – Manchester City game on Sunday – and what a game it was, with Liverpool again looking great – especially in the first half when they went 2-0 up, but Manchester City came roaring back to make it 2-2 in the second half before a mistake by all people – City skipper Vincent Kompany – allowed the impressive Philippe Coutinho to get the winner.

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Steven Gerrard – could win Premier League for the first time
He’s won everything else with the Reds


And Liverpool now have the chance – it’s a certainty if they win their last four games of the season – to become Premier League Champions for the first time in their history, and that would be the 19th time they have won the English League title, the last one being back in 1990.

And to think Newcastle finished in 5th position two years ago with 65 points, and Liverpool were languishing in 8th position on only 52 points – one place behind Everton – and then last year they were 7th and Newcastle were 16th – but the Reds were still one place behind Everton – but this season they could become  the PL Champions for the first time.

So what’s happened in the last two years at Newcastle?

Last season could be put down to the rigors of the Europa League, and we just didn’t have a big enough squad and of course we lost Demba Ba fifteen months ago.

And this season was going to be a recovery season, and through the end of last year we were doing well, but then we sold another of our best players in January – Yohan Cabaye.

Once contrast with Newcastle is that Liverpool don’t sell their best players, and they were determined to keep Luis Suarez – and that’s paid off for them big time this season – he’s the leading scorer and also has the most assists in the Premier League.

It’s this year that things have fallen apart for Newcastle following our disastrous previous season in the Premier League, and we are on this terrible league run of 11 defeats in 16 league games.

And we’ll now be lucky if we can finish in 9th place, and if don’t get a couple of wins in the last four games, Stoke City could even pip us to 9th place.

Of course two years ago Liverpool fired Kenny Dalglish and appointed Brendan Rodgers as their new manager, and he has them playing some wonderful stuff.

And Everton appointed Roberto Martinez last summer (he would have been great at Newcastle),  and he has Everton in 4th place and playing some terrific football too.

We’re sure a lot of Newcastle fans are looking at these two appointments and thinking if Newcastle could appoint the right young manager,  then we could be quickly flying high too – but of course it doesn’t always turn out that way.

It hasn’t worked for Sunderland appointing Gus Poyet earlier this season,  and it now looks like they will be relegated, unless they can get say three wins in their last six games.

I’m meeting my friend Peter for lunch in an hour or two at an Irish pub over here, and Peter was born and bred in Sunderland, so he’s not too happy right now with his team. 🙁

We suppose there could be some changes made by Mike Ashley if Alan Pardew cannot turn this thing around before the end of the season, but if that doesn’t happen, then we hope that Newcastle will do a reset, and bring in six or seven top players over the summer months, and let some of the fringe players leave – and then we’ll hope for the best.

But we are also concerned that the negative press on Newcastle over the last few weeks, will not help us in recruiting good players this summer.

The bottom line is that in the seven years we have had Mike Ashley running the club, we’ve had only one season when the side has finished in the top ten – and this could be the second season.

But this season feels nothing like being a success, but it’s still the second best we’ve done under Mike Ashley – and of course it’s nothing like the nirvana the Liverpool fans are experiencing right now.

What do you think?



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213 comments so far

  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 15, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #1

    Andy Carroll has to be responsible.

    Quick Mike…offer West Ham £35m and then sell him on at a lower rate and watch us climb that table.

    Buy high, sell low, that is the real key to success!

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Apr 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Comment #2

    Seeing some sites reporting that Pardew has fallen out with the players, especially Arfa and Coloccini.

    If we lose at Swansea which is highly expected.

    They are fighting for their lives while we are playing like we’re on our holidays already and not a single player in our stripes bother to turn up and play.

    another defeat and another zero goal for us. Surely pardew has to go.

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Apr 15, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Comment #3

    im not surprised colo has fallen out with pards hes prob seen an opportunity to manufacture a rift to get himself shipped out back to argentina

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Comment #4

    wolfshead/daztoon – the last game against Liverpool could be a shocker. The way Liverpool are playing at the moment -they must be the best/most exciting team. Whilst I do not like Liverpool -Rodgers has got them playing as a team -do not like Suarez -good footballer but a cheat nevertheless. Where the hell did Sterling pop up for them -good player. If Liverpool win the league we’ll never hear the end of it – so I would prefer City to win it – even though they are cooking the books with their sponsorship.
    Could we turn on a display on the last day – possible- well probably not really but if they do I’ll be happy if they thwart Liverpool. However, that is idiotic dreaming -we are in for a thorough trouncing -something in the order of 5 – 0.

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  • Blofal

    Apr 15, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    Comment #5

    We have Swansea, Arsenal, Cardiff and Liverpool remaining.

    Arsenal and Liverpool will be routs. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose to Swansea and draw against Cardiff.

    Either way what a pathetic 3nd to the season.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #6

    Ibiza…isn’t it a bit lucky for us and Parsnip that half the PL teams are playing worse than us this season?

    …in s normal situation any team playing like us would fight relegation don’t you think?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    Comment #7

    Jesper…I think I must be misunderstanding your question / point 🙂

    No matter which team, in any position (other than bottom of course) could have that applied to them.

    If we had played like this all season, then no doubt we’d be down there with the rest, but we didn’t, we had a much better first half of the season, even if you didn’t enjoy the performances so much.

    Have I missed something? I usually do 😉

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #8

    get real all 4 games will be routs

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  • -Tendo-

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #9

    ” it’s a certainty if they win their last four games of the season”

    more like 3, because we all know that we won’t put up much of a fight!

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #10

    i just missed out on a exec box at anfield for the last game of the season, someone just got it 10 mins before me , so i must say – thankyou to that person for not having to put me through 90 mins of pure unadultarated torture . liverpool can stick their title up their arse, i ‘m just glad i;m not going and having to watch that lot , in their own ground lifting the trophy. call it jealosy if you want , your right , i am f;;;ing jealous , but i’m still glag i havnt got to look on while liverpool utterly destroy us , and they will by the biggest score in premier history . enjoy.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #11

    so pardew is aware the fans are not happy. Funny he was aware at west ham and charlton too.

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:15 PM

    Comment #12

    Pardews is a moronic loser the clown never comes close to winning anything.

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    Comment #13

    Sackings to good for the buffoon, his patronising waffle is starting to irk everyone even the media are sick of the idiot. It can’t be long before fatty gets the same feeling.

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #14

    What did Newcastle United do to end up with these people running the circus?

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #15

    come next season same last four games needing to win all four to avoid drop

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #16

    Mag

    I dont think winning things is the only sign of a good manager, got to put things into perspective with the quality of players in relation to other contenders for cups/trophies.

    I don’t like him, not the man or the manager, and he is really digging himself a hole, he has blamed kinnear, fans, media….all that’s left is ashley, the players or himself.

    If he blames himself he is in trouble, blames ashley he is gone and blames the players and they will oust him…..his time is nearly at an end, thankfully.

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #17

    come day of the glorious revolution those two will taken outside st james and shot

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #18

    So Hull Wigan and Sheffield United have better squads?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #19

    Mag

    forgot to add….i’m not defending pardew, just don’t think winning things is the only sign of a good manager, although it is a big one.

    Pardew is a talentless charlatan who’s career here is unraveling in spectacular fashion.

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  • hadthetshirt

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #20

    How do you get a song played at half time.I want “Don’t believe a word” by Thin Lizzy.Any body else think of any songs we can get played

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #21

    Mag

    You also need elements of luck in a cup run, not saying we aren’t better than those sides, but so are many many teams who haven’t got that far this season….it’s not always the best teams that make the final.

    Overall though he is a shockingly bad manager, relying on his players 100% as there is no structure to the team in either attack or defense.

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #22

    They’ve got management that make them play for the fans with pride unlike the grinning idiot who is clueless.

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #23

    try why dont you all fade away

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #24

    Pardews luckless as well then.

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #25

    pardews just a water boy

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #26

    Sack Pardew!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Comment #27

    Also on a different note…liverpool are playing some exciting football, as Ed suggests.

    Anyone think england can do something similar in the world cup.

    mignolet Hart

    johnson Johnson
    skrtel Cahill
    sakho Jagielka
    flanagan Baines

    gerrard Gerrard
    henderson Henderson
    coutinho Llalana
    sterling Sterling

    suarez Rooney
    sturridge Sturridge

    Now not saying we will win the world cup, but we certainly have the players for exciting football.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #28

    Mag

    He was lucky in a sense when we had cisse, ben arfa and ba all playing and playing well (add remy too) as they all work well as individuals so can score goals from next to nothing, didn’t need clear cut chances.

    Now he only has cisse who’s own luck with 40 yard strikes has dried up so he is struggling big time.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #29

    hadtheshirt – how about this for a song. “Lost in France” by Bonnie Tyler. Changed a few of the lyrics :-
    We were lost in France
    In gay Paris with me – Moussa, Loic and Matthieu
    We were lost in France
    Hiding as best we could from Percy Pardew.

    As I stood there in gay Paris the air was still
    I had a feeling I can’t explain
    We were hiding in France thinking of Brazil.

    I was lost in France
    In the street a band was playing
    And the crowd all danced
    Didn’t catch what they were saying

    etc etc.

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM

    Comment #30

    He’s had 4 years and did nothing but moan about everything and everyone being at fault for his failure. He’s never got past the 3rd round of the FA cup lost 3 derbies in a row etc etc.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #31

    Ibiza…I have never seen a team play like we do and drop points like we have since January and be in the top 10.

    …in my book those who are fighting relegation are both playing better and loosing with dignity 😉

    Maybe I am not making myself clear…I don’t know (or maybe you just see it differently)

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    Comment #32

    …just to add I was still quite amazed we were 7-8 in the beginning of January…hence the lady luck reference 😉

    …again maybe that’s just my standard that are messed up?

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Comment #33

    …again I still don’t get how we finished 5th that season!

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  • mag

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #34

    Lemon crew its when a team is playing badly that the good manager to come into their element and this clown can’t rise to the challenge.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #35

    Mag…it sure is!

    TS…do you remember the discussion we had about Parsnip in late January or early February? I wanted him to quit while he still had his dignity – look at him now 😉

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  • Oldgit1

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

    Comment #36

    I believe that there was a danger we may have finished in a Europe cup in January and panic set in as this would have no doubt put next season in doubt by fighting relegation as fat ash would have had to put his grubby like hand in his pocket to enlarge our squad, it’s also why cabye was sold to ensure we didn’t get any higher in the league.

    I also believe it was fat ash that set up the top 10 place knowing when that was achieved the players would ease up.

    They are oh so clever. Everything is going to plan. Bastards.
    Don’t expect

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #37

    Pards doesn’t get how we finished 5th either Jesper. He’s been trying to replicate it but…

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #38

    Anyway won’t begrudge gerrard winning a title at long last, excellent club man and player, a dying breed.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #39

    Tsunki…you mean I am not the only one 😀 lol

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 15, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #40

    Jesper…I think this is where we’re crossing our wires. Our form since January is most definitely relegation form, but league position is clearly based on the whole season, of which overall, we haven’t been in relegation form.

    I don’t see what luck has to do with that. First half good, second half terrible, result is mid-table.

    Those fighting relegation clearly had worse seasons than us up until January.

    Surprised by us being 7th / 8th in January? Why? It may not have been spectacular football, but it was worthy of top 10 imo. Granted one or two teams should have been closer and maybe that is the luck element?

    5th placed season we did play ok, with some exceptional and terrible performances along the way. We had a great team belief and were helped by a few under achieving teams. If those teams had performed as they “should” then we would have probably found ourselves around 7th or 8th, which is probably where our squad should have ended up.

    Are you basing this discussion purely on style of football? As whilst admirable, it doesn’t really play in to league positioning. Don’t say tables don’t matter to you, we’re talking about places in the league table…at least I think we are 🙂

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